White House seeks legal cover from Gonzales.
White House seeks legal cover from Gonzales.
The New York Times reports that the White House is confidently asserting that any attempts by Congress to hold White House staffers in contempt will be stymied by Alberto Gonzales’ Justice Department:
“The Justice Department would be likely to block any efforts by Congressional Democrats to seek contempt charges against present and former White House officials for refusing to give information to Congress, a White House spokesman said Friday. [...]
A White House spokesman, Tony Fratto, said Congressional threats to have presidential aides charged with criminal contempt would probably end in failure. “It has been the Justice Department’s long-held view that the law does not permit Congress to require a U.S. attorney to convene a grand jury or otherwise pursue a prosecution” when someone refuses on the basis of executive privilege to testify or turn over documents, Mr. Fratto said.”
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"Congress has another route to enforce its will, an inherent power of contempt. But that has not been used since early in the 20th century. It has long been deemed unwieldy in the modern era as it entails Congress stopping all work to hold its own trial and imprisoning any offenders in the basement of the Capitol."
I like the sound of this..........
July 20th, 2007 at 11:53 pmThe Decider decides. period.
July 20th, 2007 at 11:56 pm#1
July 20th, 2007 at 11:57 pmRaven- I think Cheney likes dark basements. He and Count Gonzales, and the vampirous Countess Harriet, et al.
is this a new story today?
or what i've been hearing all afternoon, from randi, rachel
and thom hartman?
new or old, i gotta go...
July 20th, 2007 at 11:58 pmg'nite...
OK, we see what kind of wall a contempt charge will meet up with. Obviously, we need to go with inherent contempt here. Granted, Bush can still issue pardons to his convicted staffers, even as they are hauled off to jail.
Which leaves impeachment. Hope it's on the table by then...
July 20th, 2007 at 11:58 pmImpeach Gonzo, and clear the way!
Is it me, or does "Tony Fratto" sound like a character out of the Sopranos?
I agree with you, Raven, and I hope that there's lots of rats and spiders and other nasties in the Capitol's basement!
July 20th, 2007 at 11:59 pmJay Leno just asked America if they remember what the doctor found the last time Bush had a colonoscopy, his head!
July 21st, 2007 at 12:02 amIt has long been deemed unwieldy in the modern era as it entails Congress stopping all work to hold its own trial and imprisoning any offenders in the basement of the Capitol.â€
I like the sound of this……….
Comment by Raven
Whoa, bestill my beating heart... please tell me this involves leg irons too. Pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease....
July 21st, 2007 at 12:04 amSomebody posted here today[?] that Waxman has actually threatened to "exercise" inherent contempt in some official letter he wrote to somebody. If interested, I'll see if I can track it down.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:09 amUmm, how big is that basement? Could get crowded down there.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:10 amAnyone who thinks these thugs are leaving the WH in Jan. 2009 have another thing coming. Every move they make is to increase executive power. The sad part is we are being led by a moron. Maybe chimpy could get Castro to give him some dictator tips...
July 21st, 2007 at 12:10 amThis fits so well.
The ulitimat in vanity
Exploiting their supremecy
I can't believe the things you say
I can't believe
I can't believe the price we pay
Nothing can save us
Apathy their stepping stone
July 21st, 2007 at 12:10 amSo unfeeling
Hidden deep anamosity
So deceiving
Through your eyes their light burns
Hoping to find
Inquisition sinking you
With prying minds
There is another course of action available to Congress. Every US Attorney that was confirmed by the Senate (or appointed via bypassing Senate confirmation) CAN BE IMPEACHED.
It would seem to me that a US Attorney who refuses to press charges for contempt of Congress could be found to have committed a high crime or misdemeanor.
In other words, Congress can "fire" US Attorneys until someone steps forward and chooses to uphold the rule of law.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:11 amWhoa, bestill my beating heart… please tell me this involves leg irons too. Pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease….
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
I'm adept at heating metal to a cheery, cherry glow.................
July 21st, 2007 at 12:11 amI’m adept at heating metal to a cheery, cherry glow……………..
Comment by Raven
Yeeeesss... I'm listening. Go on...
July 21st, 2007 at 12:13 amIn other words, Congress can “fire†US Attorneys until someone steps forward and chooses to uphold the rule of law.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — July 21, 2007 @ 12:11 am
Nice!
And glad to see you haven't been banned, contrary to rumors.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:14 amLady Justice Has Been Raped
Truth Assassin
Rolls of Red Tape Seal Your Lips
Now You're Done in
Their Money Tips Her Scales Again
Make Your Deal
Just What Is Truth? I Cannot Tell
Cannot Feel
The Ultimate in Vanity
Exploiting Their Supremacy
I Can't Believe the Things You Say
I Can't Believe
I Can't Believe the Price We Pay
Nothing Can Save Us
Justice Is Lost
Justice Is Raped
Justice Is Gone
Pulling Your Strings
Justice Is Done
Seeking No Truth
Winning Is All
Find it So Grim
So True
So Real
Seeking No Truth
July 21st, 2007 at 12:14 amWinning Is All
Find it So Grim
So True
So Real
In other words, Congress can “fire†US Attorneys until someone steps forward and chooses to uphold the rule of law.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
BUT, will they have the Cheneys to do it? (I'm not talking Dick here, I mean Lynn...)
July 21st, 2007 at 12:15 amComment by Bob
Don't hold back, Bob, tell us how you really feel.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:16 am......and thence hammering, and folding, and heating and hammering again, until a slender springy wand of singing steel emerges in my clenched and calloused hands...............
July 21st, 2007 at 12:19 amYeeeesss… I’m listening. Go on…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Oy.....settle. :D
July 21st, 2007 at 12:20 amThanks, Bob, I've read your poems previously...
July 21st, 2007 at 12:20 amI like your style.
Well DC Democrats that means it's time to impeach Gonzales, strip him of his law license, and give him 10 years in prison with no parole.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:21 amHey locking up Bush thugs in the basement of the Capital building is cool idea, then easier to waterboard them to spill the beans on Bush and Cheney.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:23 amBob be singing Metalica's one. He full of god damn shit.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:25 am10 years in prison with no parole.
Comment by Jay Randal
Make that 10 years in the Capitol basement, w/ Master Raven in charge...
Raven, you sound like someone who understands quite well how samurai swords were made...
July 21st, 2007 at 12:25 am16 - not banned, just busy. Did my first settlement negotiations last Friday. Got nearly $60k for a part-time employee whose termination was "questionable" to say the least. I'm going to like private practice.
But I am posting less frequently for other reasons:
I scan the threads when I am able. Mainly for posts like Ace's which include links I would not otherwise find.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:25 amHang in there, Bob.
We'll get the Statue of Liberty back on her feet one of these days.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:27 amThe democrat congress dis full of shit.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:27 am... wiping the grime and sweat from my brow, I climb the dank steps up from the bowels of the Capitol, to emerge into the den of the Corporate Lobbyists, whereupon with deft strokes of my gleaming blade, I slice the slick suits from their bodies and herd them at saber point into the Potomac.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:28 ampower chords and all
I'm just a little perturbed.
Justice Department? Ha! wow
July 21st, 2007 at 12:29 amAll I want is the truth. That should be easy in a Democracy, right? Is there a more transparent form?
Wow.
Bob, why are you stealing our lyrics?
July 21st, 2007 at 12:29 amHey, Bris, good to see you. You're right, ace has been posting a lot of good stuff lately.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:30 amdemocrats are steaming piles of crap. all they do is lie. all they do is cheat. they peer into others sex lives the perverts.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:30 amright Metallica. Written around the Iran-Contra crimes.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:31 amI slice the slick suits from their bodies and herd them at saber point into the Potomac.
Comment by Raven
You gotta be careful there. You expose all that bloated, flabby white flesh to the sun, you could go snowblind from all the reflected light.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:32 amHow was I to know?
July 21st, 2007 at 12:33 amI was listening to Huey Lewis and the News,
and Pink Floyd.........
DailyKos has a post about the question of whether "inherent contempt" is pardonable. Short answer: Maybe not.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/7/11/202837/564
Great to see you again, Bris. Glad to hear your law practice is working out well for you. We could sure use your legal mind for some of these discussions, although we wouldn't blame you for being just as unsure as the rest of us about an administration that has, to date, gone further than even Nixon dreamed of going.
You'd got to be a pretty bad president not to realize that even Nixon had more sense than you and resigned.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:34 amI don't like Bob's stupid face.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:34 amRumor is that ace has been banned.
Raven, you're the poet! (Unless you too are stealing your material from Metallica).
July 21st, 2007 at 12:35 amA little light verse:
©2007 Briseadh na Faire (From the Operetta "Law and Order," a work in progress.)
July 21st, 2007 at 12:36 amyou could go snowblind from all the reflected light.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Yes, well, the only way to get that fixed up,
July 21st, 2007 at 12:37 amis to go trudging across the tundra, mile after mile,
right down to the parish of St. Alphonso..............
Mr Turner > GOPers are perverts who roll in piles of steaming crap.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:37 am"I was listening to Huey Lewis and the News"
Great band.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:37 amEvening Wayne and Jane. Feel free to email me anytime if there's something you want me to address. However, I will be on vacation the next two weeks, so it may take awhile for me to get back to you.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:38 amI don't like Briseadh na Faire's stupid face.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:38 amYes, well, the only way to get that fixed up,
is to go trudging across the tundra, mile after mile,
right down to the parish of St. Alphonso…………..
Frank Zappa...................... credit where credit is due........
July 21st, 2007 at 12:39 amFits so well. Like Lennon's Truth or Throwing Stones and on and on. But all those were written years ago. It's not like we haven't been warned.
Barrowing. I just realized the post didn't include a tag. Always does. Sorry bout that.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:39 amThe lying bastard, Fratto forgot to say unless it is a Democratic President and administration...what he says didn't hold water under the Clinton administration...it is time to impeach and hang these thugs and all their troll apologists. What we see here is the destruction of the rule of law and the separation of powers for the profits of the military industrial complex and oil companies...in other words, replacing democracy with fascism. Dubya and Cheney and Rove and Gonzalez and all the rubbernecked republics are fascist thugs running the government as if it was a crime family. They deserve what they dish out.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:40 am"However, I will be on vacation the next two weeks"
I hope TP bans your lame liberal ass.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:41 amEver diligent, we’re vigilant diligently:
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — July 21, 2007 @ 12:36 am
I like that! It's a tongue-twister.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:41 amGreat band.
Comment by Mr. Turner
Are you the Turner of the infamous Diary?
July 21st, 2007 at 12:41 amI don’t like Briseadh na Faire’s stupid face.
Comment by Metallica
Oh wow, I'm not sure he's going to survive that barb.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:41 amBriseadh na Faire’s days here are numbered. He's on TP's shit list.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:43 amkasinca is a liberal cry baby.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:45 amZooey,
Michael's going after you over on the Clinton/Kerry thread.
I called him "poop" for you.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:45 am"Thanks, Bob, I’ve read your poems previously…
I like your style."
Those aren't poems written by Bob. He lifted the lyrics from Metallica the lying prick.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:46 amNice how trolls like Turner know what TP staff thinks about posters > lol.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:46 amComment by Briseadh na Faire — July 21, 2007 @ 12:36 am
Best of luck to you on your operetta. Believe me, I know how challenging a work like that can be (see my blog.)
Looks like you're off to a good start. Let us know when and where we can see the final result. Looking forward to it.
Enjoy your vacation
July 21st, 2007 at 12:47 amWith solar saturation.
A well-earned respite
From news of the despot.
Egreggious is a 12 year old girl.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:47 amMichael’s going after you over on the Clinton/Kerry thread.
Comment by Egreggious — July 21, 2007 @ 12:45 am
You mean Michael, the "admirer" of Ann Coulter, his alter-ego?
July 21st, 2007 at 12:48 am“Thanks, Bob, I’ve read your poems previously…
I like your style.â€
Those aren’t poems written by Bob. He lifted the lyrics from Metallica the lying prick.
Comment by Mr. Turner
As I stated, I never listened to Metallica, and did not know.
And Bob posted credit afterwards.....
So like, well, STFU!
July 21st, 2007 at 12:51 amOK?
"You mean Michael, the “admirer†of Ann Coulter, his alter-ego?"
Ann is sexy. Jane is not.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:51 amYou mean Michael, the “admirer†of Ann Coulter, his alter-ego?
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 21, 2007 @ 12:48 am
I haven't really been around here long enough to figure out his psychological problems yet. But he does seem obsessed with Zooey (in a bad way, though, not like me).
July 21st, 2007 at 12:52 amWayne A. Schneider is gay.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:52 amDid Karl Rove run short of funds for paying decent trolls for the rest of this month?
July 21st, 2007 at 12:54 amMetallica sucks.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:55 amJay Randal has a brain the size of a pea. The selfish prick.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:56 am"Wayne A. Schneider is gay."
Outed!
July 21st, 2007 at 12:56 amEgreggious will soon be banned from this website.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:57 amI called him “poop†for you.
Comment by Egreggious
Thank you, Egg. I must say that michael troll upsets me so much -- I may start crying any minute now. :-D
July 21st, 2007 at 12:57 amDid Karl Rove run short of funds for paying decent trolls for the rest of this month?
Comment by Jay Randal
Karl has to cover the extra expense of reconstuctive surgery for George tomorrow.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:57 amHe's a little short on cash.
sO IF Democrats are perverts for calling Vitter to be held accountable for BREAKING THE LAW with his trysts with prostitutes, then I guess Mr. Turner rightfully condemned kEN Starr, Judge Bates, and the whole GOP Congress for trying to find out what Clinton was up to, right? I mean Mr. Turner must be a consistent and upright man.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:57 amComment by Metallica — July 21, 2007 @ 12:52 am
Your "gaydar" needs an alignment. It's giving you false positives.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:58 amI mean Mr. Turner must be a consistent and upright man.
Comment by ucsbclassics53 — July 21, 2007 @ 12:57 am
I think Mr. Turner is a very poor impression of a brainless Jamaican.
July 21st, 2007 at 1:00 ammile after mile,
right down to the parish of St. Alphonso…………..
Frank Zappa…………………. credit where credit is due……..
Comment by Raven
Don't know that one... does this have anything to do w/ yellow now?
July 21st, 2007 at 1:00 amOops... meant "yellow Snow"...
July 21st, 2007 at 1:01 am"sO IF Democrats are perverts for calling Vitter to be held accountable for BREAKING THE LAW"
Stop sniffing Vitter's pants you frickin' pervert.
July 21st, 2007 at 1:01 amTurner > your brain fell out and the dog ate most of it unfortunately.
July 21st, 2007 at 1:01 am"The Republic of Stupidity"
Pretty much descibes the liberals who post here. You must be their leader, prick.
July 21st, 2007 at 1:02 am"OK, we see what kind of wall a contempt charge will meet up with."
Yes, but the Bush administration doesn't get the last word on this. Congress can go to court to force the Justice Department to act. This is a rather radical reading of the Constitution by the Bush administration and it's not at all clear that the Supreme Court would let this stand.
"Obviously, we need to go with inherent contempt here."
It's certainly an option and Congress has already threatened it in a letter to Fielding, the President's attorney.
"Granted, Bush can still issue pardons to his convicted staffers, even as they are hauled off to jail."
Actually, it's not at all clear that he can. In "inherent contempt," Congress is itself the court and it would be responsible for imprisoning those it holds in contempt. Given the separation of powers, I don't think that Bush has the authority to release staffers that Congress has imprisoned in its execution of its oversight duties. As far as I know, this has never been adjudicated.
One point of interest: since this is specifically a Congressional action, Congress probably does not have the power to hold such a prisoner beyond the term of the Congress, particularly if the House holds these proceedings. That means whomever they hold would be freed when the current Congress shuts down in December of next year.
July 21st, 2007 at 1:02 amThe Republic of Stupidity eats too much yellow snow.
July 21st, 2007 at 1:03 amPaulB got his law degree on the Interent.
July 21st, 2007 at 1:03 amMr. Turner is, well, a turner...
July 21st, 2007 at 1:04 amHe turns milk sour, he turns people away,
he goes out of his way to do a bad turn,
he'll turn away from someone in need,
he'll turn into a craven old man,
and sadly, he will return.
That means whomever they hold would be freed when the current Congress shuts down in December of next year.
Comment by PaulB — July 21, 2007 @ 1:02 am
December of next year. That's quite a while for a former Supreme Court nominee. Judith Miller didn't last that long.
July 21st, 2007 at 1:05 amPaulB > that length of time is OK if the GOPers are just given bread and water till December.
July 21st, 2007 at 1:06 amOops… meant “yellow Snowâ€â€¦
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Yeah, same song!
July 21st, 2007 at 1:06 amIt's also a dyslexic rhyme.
;-)
July 21st, 2007 at 1:07 amI sure hope I don't turn into a lonely, bitter old man like Mr. Turner (and his multiple personalities), with nothing to do for fun except make rude comments about his intellectual superiors. I mean, what would be the point of living?
July 21st, 2007 at 1:09 amYeah, same song!
Comment by Raven
I thought so...
"Goin' to Montana..."
"Gonna grow me some dental floss..."
"Is that a Sears poncho or a real poncho?"
July 21st, 2007 at 1:09 amOff subject for one post: A GOPer guy on CNN today said that fat Americans are responsible for their health problems, so they just need exercise and no medical care. Bad enough the GOPers want to control our sex lives, but now how we eat too.
July 21st, 2007 at 1:10 amWayne has been outed as gay.
July 21st, 2007 at 1:10 amThank you, Raven.
July 21st, 2007 at 1:10 amBris,
Are you a Gilbert & Sullivan fan?
July 21st, 2007 at 1:10 amBob, you are a sorry sack of shit. Stealing lyrics from Metalicca and passing them off to dopes like Raven as your personal poems. You are a prick of the highest order!
July 21st, 2007 at 1:10 amI mean, what would be the point of living?
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
None.
Hey, the michael troll is on the Clinton/Kerry thread. Interested?
July 21st, 2007 at 1:11 amWayne is a fan of Neil and Bob. No wait, that's just what he does.
July 21st, 2007 at 1:11 amZooey, join the fun here. Your double wide ass is welcome here. :)
July 21st, 2007 at 1:12 amHey, the michael troll is on the Clinton/Kerry thread. Interested?
Comment by Zooey — July 21, 2007 @ 1:11 am
She hates it when I call her by her real name. I am not convinced it's not really her. Who else admits to being an admirer of Ann Coulter, except for Ann herself?
Maybe I'll go over and see what she's up to. ;)
July 21st, 2007 at 1:12 amJay and Bob are gay together.
July 21st, 2007 at 1:13 amBad enough the GOPers want to control our sex lives, but now how we eat too.
Comment by Jay Randal
Hmmm... and what sort of shape is Cheney's heart in?
July 21st, 2007 at 1:13 amSomebody want to poke the TP moderator with a stick? Must be sleeping again.
July 21st, 2007 at 1:13 amComment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 21, 2007 @ 12:47 am
Thanks, Wayne. If it ever gets done, I'll post it here.
Currently we're trying to get a chamber opera together. "Five Minutes After Tomorrow," set in Palestine. We're in the initial steps of securing a venue, and the Mrs. is putting the finishing touches on the music (I just write the libretto, she's the composer.) With luck, it will premier next year.
July 21st, 2007 at 1:13 amDid that big bully at the park grab your fudgsical again, Turdnerd?
July 21st, 2007 at 1:15 amWayne > perhaps Turner is the TP monitor after he smoked crack > lol
July 21st, 2007 at 1:15 am"perhaps Turner is the TP monitor after he smoked crack"
I smoked it with your crack whore wife. lol
July 21st, 2007 at 1:17 amRaven you are such a little fag.
July 21st, 2007 at 1:17 amIf it ever gets done, I’ll post it here.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — July 21, 2007 @ 1:13 am
Cool. I'd check it out for sure. Good Luck with all that.
July 21st, 2007 at 1:17 am"Bad enough the GOPers want to control our sex lives"
Says the guy who monitors the sex life of Republicans.
July 21st, 2007 at 1:18 amTurner > "What we have here is a failure to communicate." (Prison warden to Cool Hand Luke.)
July 21st, 2007 at 1:19 amRaven you are such a little fag.
Comment by Mr. Turner
................I think he likes me............
July 21st, 2007 at 1:20 amYou are a pervert, Raven.
July 21st, 2007 at 1:21 amAre you a Gilbert & Sullivan fan?
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 21, 2007 @ 1:10 am
A bit.
Are we hijacking this thread?
Our first musical, a melodrama, had a song in the second act that wove in and out for over 7 minutes, and the audience loved it. (It took me 2 months to write the lyrics, and it took the Mrs. 2 weeks to set them to music. go figure.) That's when I decided to have a go at a Gilbert and Sullivan style operetta.
The lyrics above really flowed quickly, but I got bogged down with a scene where the ship's captain gives orders and it turns into a fugue, with the orders mutating into a drinking song as they are passed from one sailor to another. I've got the 1st draft knocked out at 47 pages, which is an hour and a half show. I'm half-way through the re-write. I figured out the fugue (think Bach), and the next big challenge is the sextet in the second act (think Mozart); 3 couples all singing about love, but in the San Francisco fog, they're not singing to whom they think they are singing to.
I return you now to your regularly scheduled thread....
July 21st, 2007 at 1:21 amDear Old America, Thanks for all those interesting years, it sure was a fun ride. It's too bad you have to go.
Remember back in 1776 when you declared yourself "independent" from the UK? That was classic! You guys even set up a constitution to protect the rights that your fathers, sons, and brothers died for! That sure took some balls. Freedom of speech? A free press? Are you nuts?! Letting citizens carry guns? To protect themselves from the government?! Radical! I won't even go into the ones regarding how laws are passed and enforced. Absolutely hilarious!
Old America, you were the most popular kid on the playground and everybody wanted to be like you, act like you and live like you. Ahh, those were the days.
You guys were really something, Old America, it's a shame it had to end like this. Some of the men who created that old system of government might not agree, but I think things might turn out okay for us here in New America. I mean sure, there won't be any more elections, but who ever voted anyway? The crackpots? And did you really want to "peaceably assemble"? Sounds like some hippy shit to me!
Listen, just forget about the Constitution. Life goes on. The corporations will make sure that we're happy. Congress will still be around to make sure that the peoples business gets taken care of, a "Ronald Reagan" highway, Post Office and elementary school in every town!
There are a lot of nay-sayers around the world that whine about militarism and globalism and other "isms". The only ism I'm worried about is terror-ism! That's why the government needs to be consolidated into an executive branch, get it? Wouldn't you rather have security than freedom?
New Americans have it all figured out and luckily we have President Bush to guide us.. He knows what to do to those god-damned terrorists! Keep bombing! We're bound to kill them all eventually. He knows how to deal with activist judges, override their sentences! Soon we'll see the New America emerging, the new and improved America that isn't afraid to take away freedom if it means increased profits or security. The New America that stands up to its enemies by torturing them until they confess or until they die. Either way, New America wins! Our private armies will do whatever we want (as long as we pay them) and we get to keep our hands nice and clean. It's all wrapped up in a neat little bow, all you have to do is accept it.
Have fun New America! Let the good times roll!
Your friend,
A New American
P.S.
July 21st, 2007 at 1:21 amLong live King George!
Briseadh and Wayne are gay together too.
July 21st, 2007 at 1:22 amJay -- Raven wants to be your prison bunk mate.
July 21st, 2007 at 1:22 amA New American,
Link?
July 21st, 2007 at 1:23 amFunny, Turner gets the same rune as Might y A.
Ken: Reversed.
That does not bode well for our little troll.
July 21st, 2007 at 1:24 amOff to bed > bye all. Seems that Turner and Metallica are an enraged Brokeback Mountain couple who have issues > lol.
July 21st, 2007 at 1:25 amI am bowing out for the evening, I don't feel like engaging with the
July 21st, 2007 at 1:26 amdepravity that has emerged from the dank recesses of cyberland.
Good night, peace to all.
Yes, all...........................
(Oh oh, Jay, now they are really going to slam us.........)
July 21st, 2007 at 1:28 amLOL
Goodnight, Jay and Randall!
July 21st, 2007 at 1:28 amOops,
Jay and Raven!
July 21st, 2007 at 1:28 amNow Raven and Jay are running off to bed together.
July 21st, 2007 at 1:29 amGot a nasty head cold myself at this point. I'm OOOOUTTTA HERE!!!!
July 21st, 2007 at 1:30 amAdieu, TRos!
July 21st, 2007 at 1:32 amComment by Briseadh na Faire — July 21, 2007 @ 1:21 am
Wow, I'm impressed. I don't believe I could live up to that challenge. I had a hard enough time doing a parody of "Tommy", and the music was already written! I am definitely looking forward to the finished work.
Okay, OT-break's over. We can talk about this elsewhere.
back on topic.
Is Mr. Turner a Cheney or what?
July 21st, 2007 at 1:32 amback on topic.
Is Mr. Turner a Cheney or what?
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 21, 2007 @ 1:32 am
ROFL
July 21st, 2007 at 1:34 amIs Mr. Turner a Cheney or what?
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
Yes. And yes.
July 21st, 2007 at 1:36 amGoodnight Jay, Raven & TRoS!
Feel better, TRoS.
July 21st, 2007 at 1:37 amEgreggious is a Clymer. Major league.
July 21st, 2007 at 1:37 amI don't like being called something I don't know what it is.
July 21st, 2007 at 1:38 amJay, Raven, Tros and Zooey should all join a gym. Porkers.
July 21st, 2007 at 1:38 amEgreggious you're hopeless and no fun.
July 21st, 2007 at 1:39 amEgreggious,
He's referring to Adam Clymer, the New York Times reporter who, on the campaign trail, Bush was caught by an open mike calling a "major league assh*le" and Cheney, while applauding, said, "Oh, yeah. Big time. Big time."
Some references are just a teensy bit too obscure to be funny.
July 21st, 2007 at 1:42 am"Goodnight Jay, Raven & TRoS!"
menage a trois!
July 21st, 2007 at 1:42 amGoodnight Jay, Raven & TRoS. Take care of yourself, TRoS.
Hey, is that Ike Turner? No wonder Tina left him!
July 21st, 2007 at 1:44 ammenage a trois!
Comment by Metallica — July 21, 2007 @ 1:42 am
I thought you people hated the French.
July 21st, 2007 at 1:45 amSome references are just a teensy bit too obscure to be funny.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 21, 2007 @ 1:42 am
It's funny now that you explained it.
Kind of.
July 21st, 2007 at 1:45 am"Hey, is that Ike Turner? No wonder Tina left him!"
lol
I smacked that nappy headed ho.
July 21st, 2007 at 1:49 amWayne A. Schneider, your big sister is looking for you. lol
It's past your bedtime!
July 21st, 2007 at 1:52 amKind of sad, too. What fine upstanding individuals. The f-word is now more acceptable. These guys moral groung is right where their mouth is.
July 21st, 2007 at 1:53 am'ground', right sorry
July 21st, 2007 at 1:55 amI smacked that nappy headed ho.
Comment by Mr. Turner — July 21, 2007 @ 1:49 am
Wow, now he's Imus! What a weird collection of multiple personalities.
July 21st, 2007 at 1:56 amSo it has come to this - government by cornered rats. Be very afraid, America - as afraid of your regime, its backers, and its boosters as the rest of the world is.
Inauguration day 09 cannot come too soon. Hopefully, it will not be too late.
July 21st, 2007 at 2:00 amSo it has come to this - government by cornered rats. Be very afraid, America - as afraid of your regime, its backers, and its boosters as the rest of the world is.
Inauguration day 09 cannot come too soon. Hopefully, it will not be too late.
Comment by AlanDownunder — July 21, 2007 @ 2:00 am
Alan, we're already very afraid, and a lot of us cannot wait until January '09. Bush, Cheney and Gonzales must be impeached. The rest of the world fears and despises this administration; if we American citizens just wait for the elections, we will be despised, too.
July 21st, 2007 at 2:14 amYeah, well, if congress continues to do nothing and we continue to do nothing, then we all deserve the dictatorship that is coming.
This is how the Nazis started, folks. Read your history books.
July 21st, 2007 at 2:19 amIs it a coincidence that the most right-wing administration in U.S. history is now scrabbling to stay out of jail?
I think not.
July 21st, 2007 at 7:14 amI see someone has made the claim that the Democratic Congress is "doing nothing."
Truly, ignorance is bliss.
Here are a few things Congress has been doing lately. If you didn't know about, it's probably because the media doesn't much report it (makes the Democrats look good):
House passes the College Cost Reduction Act, which "would boost college financial aid by about $18 billion over the next five years and cut federal subsidies to lenders," the "single largest increase in college aid since the GI bill in 1944."
Today House Oversight Committee Chairman Henry Waxman (D-CA) wrote to Health and Human Services Secretary Mike Leavitt requesting documents related to political interference with the work of the Office of the Surgeon General.
Sens. Leahy and Specter introduce amendment restoring the habeas corpus protections stripped as a result of last year’s Military Commissions Act. The legislation would restore basic civil liberties to roughly 12 million legal permanent residents of the United States.
House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers is “expected to move swiftly to conduct hearings on the commutation."
Democrats Consider Plan to Cut Funding for Guantanamo Bay Prison, Forcing Its Closure
SENATE SUBPOENAS WHITE HOUSE, VP'S OFFICE
House Judiciary Committee To Hold Hearings On Bush Clemency Powers
Reacting to the Office of the Vice President’s assertion that it is not an “entity within the executive branch,†Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-IL) announced that he will introduce an amendment to cut off funding to Cheney’s office.
House To Bush Admin: Comply With Subpoenas Or Face Contempt
Senate Judiciary Committee Issues Subpoenas For NSA Domestic Spying Documents
John Conyers (D-MI) announced the launch of a new web page, to respond to the growing number of current and former Justice Department career lawyers and other employees raising concerns about politicization in the Department.†The page “provides a secure method for DOJ employees to communicate what they know to Committee investigators.†See the page HERE.
Congress to investigate Bush’s signing statements.
Congress Passes Major Gun Control Legislation in over a decade, spurred by the Virginia Tech campus killings and buttressed by National Rifle Association help. The bill improves state reporting to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System to stop gun purchases by people, including criminals and those adjudicated as mentally ill.
July 21st, 2007 at 7:18 amSenior House Democrats threatened Thursday to issue subpoenas to obtain secret legal opinions†and other Justice Dept. documents related to the NSA’s warrantless domestic surveillance program, “the most aggressive action yet by Congress in its oversight of the…program.
Senate Judiciary Committee announced it was preparing to approve legislation to restore habeas corpus on Thursday.
House oversight committee is expanding its investigation “into ties between jailed GOP lobbyist Jack Abramoff and the White House.
Lots of big talk, Perry Logan, but still no action. BTW: you must have missed where Sen. Feinstein (D-CA) withdrew the "Close Gitmo" bill.
P.S. PaulB is, in fact, a homosexual.
July 21st, 2007 at 10:24 amSince there is a longstanding precedent of Congress physically arresting those who are in Contempt of Congress, I think Reid and Pelosi should send a couple shockwaves over to the White House by hiring a few well trained Policeman and deputizing them as "Sargeant at Arms" for the purpose of arresting the contemptuous Bush officials who are breaking the law.
July 21st, 2007 at 11:11 amLots of big talk, Perry Logan, but still no action.
I agree. Clearly, the neo-cons have committed crimes against The People and the world. Starting a war based on lies is a crime against humanity.
Get real and get your priorities straight. Both parties are avoiding legal confrontation with the thugs in our White House.
If we lose our Constitution (and it is going away), nothing else matters.
July 21st, 2007 at 12:35 pmThe President wants to block DOJ enforcement of the law. The State AG's may do what the US Attys are being blocked from doing: Prosecuting this Sitting VP/President outside impeachment, outside Congress.
July 21st, 2007 at 5:31 pmImpeach Gonzales--for starters!
July 21st, 2007 at 9:57 pmJust utterly ridiculous. Democracy may not be dead in America, but it's definitely on life-support. Americans don't understand what democracy is all about, and thus they balk at seizing power back from their corrupt government. The apathy will be our downfall.
July 21st, 2007 at 10:06 pm