House game plan on Iraq.
House game plan on Iraq.
CQ reports (sub. required):
With some temporary leeway granted by her party’s anti-war activists, Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., will try this week to chip away at President Bush’s Iraq policy rather than halt the war outright.
Now that a withdrawal deadline like that approved by the House has stalled in the Senate, Democratic leaders have signaled they will likely opt for incremental measures, such as a bill (HR 2929) sponsored by Barbara Lee, D-Calif., that would effectively extend a ban on permanent U.S. bases in Iraq.
That legislation would do little or nothing to force the president’s hand. But it would buy time to build support for another redeployment proposal by Defense Appropriations Subcommittee Chairman John P. Murtha, D-Pa., to be offered on the floor as an amendment to the fiscal 2008 Defense appropriations bill.
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if they had done what they’re doing Now when they first took power the country would be giving them more then 16 percent right now.
July 21st, 2007 at 4:13 pmNancy Pelosi is violating the oath she took to defend the Constitution. If she won’t impeach, then SHE should be impeached for dereliction of duty and replaced with someone who understands their job. The approval ratings for Congress would SOAR if she would do what she is legally bound to do. If we have a war with Iran or another false flag incident that allows the President to instigate Marshall Law, it will be her fault. She has a date with destiny, but doesn’t seem to have the guts to face it.
July 21st, 2007 at 4:18 pmThey have the ability to get the ball rolling right now. All the Democratic Congress needs to do is to tell Bush that he MAY NOT submit another “emergency” appropriations bill for Iraq. He must submit a regular appropriations bill and find money elsewhere in the budget to balance the money they want to spend in Iraq. That’s the first step. The second step should be to say that they will not approve another appropriations bill unless it contains an exit plan for Iraq. It doesn’t have to be tomorrow, just an exit plan of some sort within the next 6 months or so.
By doing both of those things, they will back the white house into a corner. The Republicans can filibuster passing that funding bill at their peril and so can the white house.
July 21st, 2007 at 4:19 pm#2 “She has a date with destiny, but doesn’t seem to have the guts to face it.”
I agree with you wholeheartedly. But, how are you going to start impeachment against the speaker of the house. Who is going to instigate it? I think that she will come around when enough people hammer her with their feelings. Write her, call her speaker’s office and let her know that we expect her to do her duty.
The only thing that scares me is that we will have to impeach both Bush and Chaney at the same time. That will give us Nancy Pelosi as President. Since I don’t think she is up to the task of Speaker of the House, I certainly don’t think she is up to the task of President. But, she would definitely be a step up. Practically anyone as President would be better than Bush.
July 21st, 2007 at 4:22 pmWe need to fight the terrorists over there, so we don’t have to fight them here at home.
It’s best to keep the suicide bombers and exploding school buses over there.
July 21st, 2007 at 4:23 pmHe doesn’t have to chip away at anything! All he has to do is stop funding. Goddamnit. Have some balls.
July 21st, 2007 at 4:33 pmShorter muckdog: I’m a coward.
July 21st, 2007 at 4:33 pmLesly, balls are precisely what’s seriously lacking in this new Congress!
Actually, it’s a bit more than mere balls; it’s the upholding of their oath of office which states that, if impeachable offenses occur, it is their RESPONSIBILITY to begin impeachment proceedings immediately in accordance with their oath of office; somehow these fools are acting as though it is their “perogative” or “option” to do so – wrongo! And, if Nancy and Harry keep this non-impeachment going, they will find themselves hoist on their own pitard and subject to ouster themselves for derelection of duty.
Just like the Repukes have it both ways – if they cut the funding for the war, they’d not be supporting the troops – so they knuckled under and now the Repukes are using their weakness to stand up to this dictator as a strike againt them.
Similarly, if they fail the people by upholding their oath of office and their obligation to impeach, the Repukes will also use it against them ultimately and they will move to impeach them for it!
Dems need to get a grip and grow some balls….the patience of the people is running out.
July 21st, 2007 at 4:38 pmIt’s best to keep the suicide bombers and exploding school buses over there.
Comment by muckdog
I see. So death is more palatable “over there”? Life is less meaningful when not American?
July 21st, 2007 at 4:39 pmThis thinking is what got us into this mess to begin with.
In my estimation, the Democrats deserve the abysmally low percentage they’re receiving right now because they are going about things all the wrong way. They’re contributing to the problems instead of receiving counsel about how to get things done which are probabilities for them (like impeachment and inherent contempt charges against Harriet Miers) but I don’t believe they have the guts to do it.
July 21st, 2007 at 4:40 pmThey’re squandering their political capitol gained by the midterms; as well, they’re spinning their wheels at this “chipping away” game of theirs. They know precisely what they needed to do: cut the funding – they caved and whimped out. Now they know precisely what they need to do next: inherent contempt and impeachment – will they let us down and whimp out again? It’s beginning to sound and feel like they’re doing precisely that…..with this chip, chip, chipping bull$hit of theirs.
July 21st, 2007 at 4:42 pmThe problem with Pelosi is that she sees her position as a “career” instead of a responsibility. Bold leadership will not come from “career leaders”.
July 21st, 2007 at 4:42 pmpolitical capitol vs. political capital….One’s where they reside; the other is what they’ve already lost between the midterms and now! Either way….they’re squandering both.
July 21st, 2007 at 4:42 pmleftcoast: how’s it going? Counting the days no doubt. You’ll have to keep us posted on the countdown. Yes, Pelosi is a huge disappointment – now that she’s gotten her new coiffeur, some plastic work, and a new dress-for-success wardrobe, she’s become a “stepford politico” – all puff and show and no action. I’m totally disgusted with her performance thus far. And I hope that Sheehan gives her a good run for her money, too! Stepford Nancy vs. Reality Sheehan….lining up to be a good fight!
July 21st, 2007 at 4:44 pmIt is apparent that a good number of the Democrat members of Congress (Both Houses) suffer from the same physical abnormality. Theyseem to have wish bones where their backbones should be.
July 21st, 2007 at 4:54 pmveritas- Doing well. Nice to hear from you. Hope all is well.
July 21st, 2007 at 4:54 pmI’m very disappointed with Pelosi, and unfortunately do not anticipate any “bold” steps by her or other Dems. Dems need to utilize every method they can and think outside the box to rest control from repubs who are merely there to “win” rather than to seek what’s right.
Buy time?? Whose time?? Every day they are buying time for one political trickery or the other, time is running out for another US soldier and another uncounted Iraqi civilians.
Impeach now! Bring the troops home, now!
July 21st, 2007 at 4:57 pmWith some temporary leeway granted by her party’s anti-war activists, Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., will try this week to chip away at President Bush’s Iraq policy rather than halt the war outright.
Which “anti-war activists” gave “temporary leeway” to the MOST SPINELESS SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY!!!
NANCY POLL-LOOSER NEEDS A NEW JOB, OUTSIDE OF GOVERNMENT!!!!
July 21st, 2007 at 5:00 pmI have a question that I would like the bloggers here, who are demanding a instant impeachment, to answer for me!
July 21st, 2007 at 5:01 pmQuestion; When you build a house, do you (Bloggers for Instant Impeachment/BFII) start on the roof, and then work your way down, to the basement?
Can you handle answering that simple question, or are you going to sulk a little, maybe whine to yourself, and then go to some other blog?
The refrain of, “We need to Instantanly Impeach Bush and Cheney, and it has to happen right this second” sounds about as stupid and immature as ” Well,Clinton did it!”
Well I’ll wait for your answers!
leftcoast: Possibly the skeletons which may have been discovered by the illegal wiretapping of political opponents may have her mute?? Sounds like a bit of blackmail to me. Otherwise, there’s no reason for it. This is why Bush bragged about his wiretapping program to put pressure on his political foes. Otherwise, why he believe he could get the FISA court to agree to it the right way? Hmmm….sounds fishy to me. Buying silence anyone??
July 21st, 2007 at 5:01 pm#19 Informed citizens who have been kept abreast of John Conyer’s accumulation of articles of impeachment for now over a year along with the variety of meetings he’s held would lead one to believe that it’s far from “starting at the top”, eh? It’s been in the works for years and is just beginning to gain some traction now.
Obviously, you haven’t been keeping yourself informed? I suggest that you do so before bloviating here as though you know something, please.
July 21st, 2007 at 5:03 pm#19 “I’ll wait for your answers”….heh-heh…we KNOW you’re Mr. Pee, the transvestite, cross-dressing, moniker-stealing troll now by that phrase of yours. You really need to find some new vocab, dearie.
July 21st, 2007 at 5:04 pmWe need to fight the terrorists over there, so we don’t have to fight them here at home.
Comment by muckdog
Copied. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. Repeat…
July 21st, 2007 at 5:04 pmwacko bs – how many us soldiers have died since january? what progress have we made? how much have we spent? the us congress is a greedy, murderous, criminal institution.
July 21st, 2007 at 5:04 pm#23 How do you think the Iraqi people feel about a president who engages in an illegal occupation making that statement? Obviously, it’s illustrative of a hard-hearted, emotionally devoid, psychologically compromised individual.
July 21st, 2007 at 5:06 pmTROLL OUTING – Bobby Hill is Mr. Pee.
July 21st, 2007 at 5:06 pmI would say that that callous, cavalier statement which W continues to repeat ad nauseum is precisely what’s contributing the the further hatred of americans by the rest of the world. Fighting them over there so they don’t come here – hello out there in the stratosphere/??!! Anyone home in those emptynoggins of yours, Dumbya?? Doubtful – with our borders being intentionally kept wide open – this is an exercise in pure buffonery.
July 21st, 2007 at 5:08 pmQuestion; When you build a house, do you (Bloggers for Instant Impeachment/BFII) start on the roof, and then work your way down, to the basement?
Now, dat right thar questuion is stoopid to the kore!
Impeachment, MORON, is not about building a house, but, fixing the ph*cking, worthless, contractor crap left behind by crooks and c*cksucking lying, Repugniscums that wish to drive this democracy into the hands of a bunch of Jesus cultists and herds of ignorant sheeple!!!
ARE YOU ONE OF THEM???
July 21st, 2007 at 5:10 pmveritas- I was just going to say that Bobby’s question was about as naive as Mr. P. In any event its not worth giving the question a response since it would require entering into the realm of the weird.
July 21st, 2007 at 5:11 pmWhen you build a house, do you (Bloggers for Instant Impeachment/BFII) start on the roof, and then work your way down, to the basement?
Comment by Bobby Hill — July 21, 2007 @ 5:01 pm
We did build a House in November 2006 and it took a lot of work. Now it’s time for impeachment.
July 21st, 2007 at 5:11 pmGot this from a friend today:
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God was missing for six days. Eventually, Michael, the archangel, found him resting on the seventh day. He inquired of God “Where have you been?”
God sighed a deep sigh of satisfaction, and proudly pointed downwards through the clouds, “Look, Michael. Look what I’ve made.”
Archangel Michael looked puzzled, and said, “What is it?”
“It’s a planet,” replied God, “and I’ve put Life on it. I’m going to call
it Earth and it’s going to be a great place of balance.”
“Balance?” inquired Michael, “I’m still confused.”
God explained, pointing to different parts of earth. “For example, northern Europe will be a place of great opportunity and wealth, while southern Europe is going to be poor Over there I’ve placed a continent of white people, and over there is a continent of black people. Balance in all things,”
God continued pointing to different countries. “This land will be extremely hot, while this one will be very cold and covered in ice.”
The Archangel , impressed by God’s work, then pointed to a land area and said, “What’s that one?”
“Ah,” said God, “That’s Washington State, the most glorious place on earth. There are beautiful mountains, rivers and streams, lakes, forests, hills and plains. The people from Washington State are going to be handsome, modest, intelligent, and humorous, and they are going to be found traveling the world. They will be extremely sociable, hardworking, high achieving, and they will be known throughout the world as diplomats, and carriers of peace.
Michael gasped in wonder and admiration, but then asked, “But what about balance, God? You said there would be balance.”
God smiled, “There is another Washington. Wait till you see the idiots I put there.”
July 21st, 2007 at 5:14 pm——————————————————————————–
Not really PC, but the punch line hits on the mess that we are in today.
Comment by Bobby Hill — July 21, 2007 @ 5:01 pm
When you build a house you start working on it….Not by taking the plans off the table.
July 21st, 2007 at 5:17 pmNot really PC, but the punch line hits on the mess that we are in today.
Comment by WaltTheMan
That was great! Nothing non-PC about it. LOL
July 21st, 2007 at 5:18 pmComment by WaltTheMan — July 21, 2007 @ 5:14 pm
Long setup, funny punch line.
Thanks WTM
July 21st, 2007 at 5:19 pmWaltTheMan, this waspolitically correct :-))
July 21st, 2007 at 5:20 pmIn my new house, I added AC. Cleans the air nicely. But had to do some demolition to get it installed.
July 21st, 2007 at 5:21 pmYup, I was right, nothing but a bunch of ignorant peasants, with too much time on their hands! Instant gratification is what they want, not caring, whether or not, the process is done correctly, with no legal loopholes for anyone to squirm out of, just impeach em, that’s all we want is impeachment,the hell with the rules!
July 21st, 2007 at 5:22 pmWhat a bunch of backwood whiners, you all are!
Comment by doro — July 21, 2007 @ 5:17 pm
The last time that I built a house, I took the plans (and specs) off of the drafting table (1961).
July 21st, 2007 at 5:23 pmLadies and Gentlemen, Mall of America is now closed. Please make your way to the nearest exit. The mall will open again tomorrow at 9.
July 21st, 2007 at 5:26 pmwith no legal loopholes for anyone to squirm out of, just impeach em, that’s all we want is impeachment,the hell with the rules!
July 21st, 2007 at 5:26 pmBobby- go read and study. No time for your BS.
Taking family to dinner. Be back to hear what you learned.
There are several ways to read this move…
If the target is Bush then these are delaying tactics and do nothing about the central problem (Bush and Chaney tearing up the Constitution) and will not prevent an outright “takeover” by Bush of the government (”we cannot leave office because of the _____ attack that just took place” – you can fill-in the blank when something happens in the next year).
The people that believe this course of events can happen will keep insisting Bush be confronted now.
The other target are the Republican Senators voting to block withdrawal legislation. The Democrats only need a handful of Senators to switch their votes. With a lot of Republican Senators running for re-election and with their own political base getting sick of Bush and the War, these Republican Senators understand that they might be thrown out of office.
A lot has been staked on the September report on the “Surge” by the Pentagon. Bush already knows the report will be a disaster and his people are trying to delay until next Summer. But by that time, if there has been no movement in Iraq, Republican Senators running for re-election will have to go home and face a VERY unhappy group of voters. I don’t think they will wait. However, these voters will rally to support Bush if the Democrats push impeachment.
If the Democrats want to get the votes before the end of the year, they need to block empty resolutions that look good but don’t really do anything (this is what Reid has done). They need to keep the dialog focused on Iraq and keep pushing investigations and making Bush stonewall.
It comes down to a P.R. campaign being waged by the Democratic leadership against the few Republican Senators up for re-election. If the focus can be kept on Bush and Iraq, at some point, these Senators will vote for a Democratic plan to withdraw for their own political survival.
The problem with this whole argument is that more people will have to die in Iraq while a political game is being played in Congress. Human beings will be killed. A short-term impeachment strategy is risky and may fail but has the potential to save lives. A long-term PR strategy will most likely succeed but at the cost of Human Life.
Why are having to make these kinds of decisions?
July 21st, 2007 at 5:31 pmThe Mall of America is just too fscking drunk right now… and look at the time. This is turning out to be one of those realy pathetic saturdays.
July 21st, 2007 at 5:33 pmCindy Sheehan is likely to challenge Pelosi for her seat next year. Hopefully, Sheehan will win.
July 21st, 2007 at 5:41 pmFor those who may have missed it, the official Bush White House & RNC approved list of Republican talking points on Iraq has gotten a bit of a make-over in the past few days.
For the full list of the latest GOP approved Iraq falsehoods, smears and hallucinations, see:
July 21st, 2007 at 5:43 pm“The Official Republican Iraq Talking Points.”
For the full list of the latest GOP approved Iraq falsehoods, smears and hallucinations, see:
“The Official Republican Iraq Talking Points.â€
Comment by Furious — July 21, 2007 @ 5:43 pm
I don’t see David Brooks’ latest on the list:
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/21/david-brooks-im-so-confused-about-what-to-do-in-iraq/
July 21st, 2007 at 5:47 pmComment by Bobby Hill — July 21, 2007 @ 5:22 pm
Who pissed on you lately? You are so wet and cold with facist piss!!!
Wait, you are a Repugniscum? That explains it all…
Are you a fool or moron or just sucking on something like, you know, a Repugniscum’s full, undulating, infected, lying soul that needs to monger thier Jebus?
What does Lying Soul taste like when it’s fried??
July 21st, 2007 at 5:47 pm#46: Oh baby, was that good for you, too?
July 21st, 2007 at 5:50 pmFurious,
July 21st, 2007 at 5:50 pmOne would think that the republicans would have learned by now that all the lying they do comes back to haunt them. Or, maybe, its like a woman I once knew who lied so much and for so long she no longer could tell the difference. sad.
We need to fight the terrorists over there, so we don’t have to fight them here at home.
It’s best to keep the suicide bombers and exploding school buses over there.
Comment by muckdog
Ridiculous, irrational contention. Continuing to grind up our own soldiers and slaughter Iraqis is only going weaken our military, enrage the entire Moslem world, and do NOTHING to make us safer. Go back to the stock market.
July 21st, 2007 at 5:50 pmNow it’s time for impeachment.
Comment by Nat
Without enough votes, it can’t happen.
July 21st, 2007 at 5:52 pmSluggo: I couldn’t agree with your last paragraph more. Time equals more of our children and/or spouses dying. It’s quite simple. The people overwhelmingly want us out of there – how dare the Congress (Dems, too) play games with our lives in this way and the lives of our loved ones.
I think a good concept would be this: If you are sitting in Congress and want to vote for a war, then in order to do so, either you, your spouse, or one of your children need to be sacrificed to it. That’s only fair. We have these impotent fools in Congress right now playing with our lives and the lives of our loved ones.
Soon Congress will be so bloody, they’ll all be screaming ‘redrum’.
July 21st, 2007 at 5:52 pmComment by Mall of America — July 21, 2007 @ 5:33 pm
Especially for T. Woods. Finnish mother-in-law could never put up with his vulgar language and mannerisms. She is smiling in Heaven today!
July 21st, 2007 at 5:53 pm(This may be a double post – I waited the five minute delay)
And if you aren’t capable of serving your country, then your vote is null and void. That’s one way to clean out the dead wood in Congress – most of them are pruned, withered up old fools who are involved in criminal activities themselves.
July 21st, 2007 at 5:54 pmEvery day could mean the life of someone you love – your own son, daughter, wife, or husband….or the loved one of someone you know – your neighbor, the shope owner, the veterinarian.
The equation is time for lives. The time is up and we will accept absolutely no more of our soldiers dying for nothing. We haven’t accomplished one iota there in all these years – we will not have accomplished anything positive before September and we will absolutely have no more of it following September.
I hope that this emasculated, castrated congress is listening to the people. If they are not, they can kiss their seats good-bye next time ’round.
July 21st, 2007 at 5:56 pmOff topic,some what, sorry…Awhile back a poster asked about not paying taxes, in attempt to stop the war’s..I gave some old info I knew about and then moved on..
Yesterday my neighbor gave me a DVD.” Freedom to Facism” by Aaron Russo….May I suggest every one watch it if you haven’t already….Blessings…..You may now return to your regular viewing subject…
July 21st, 2007 at 6:02 pmSo which high crime and misdemeanor would you like Pelosi to impeach the President for?
July 21st, 2007 at 6:04 pmWhy the founders failed to limit the terms of Supreme Court Justices to a fixed number of years evades me. About 18 seems to be the ideal. At that point, the House could renew the term with the Senate approving the measure in the case where the House chose discharge. In addition, any Justice would be limited to two terms. That way Thomas’ Alzheimers would not be an issue.
July 21st, 2007 at 6:06 pmwalt,
July 21st, 2007 at 6:10 pmA SCJ can be impreached though, and they should start with Thomas. He sits there, staring at the ceiling, all the time drawing a pay check.
Why the founders failed to limit the terms of Supreme Court Justices to a fixed number of years evades me. About 18 seems to be the ideal.
Comment by WaltTheMan — July 21, 2007 @ 6:06 pm
Because that was the whole point – you don’t want a judiciary that’s subject to partisan whims. You want the judiciary branch to be impartial. In theory, anyhow.
July 21st, 2007 at 6:13 pmWe need to fight the terrorists over there, so we don’t have to fight them here at home.
Comment by muckdog — July 21, 2007 @ 4:23 pm
The reason I find this an idiotic defense of what the administration is doing (regardless of who is making it) is that it implies that we are not fighting them over here at all. That we are doing nothing to combat terrorism within our own borders.
Which, logically, implies that if we are not “fighting them over here” then those arrests of all those wannabe terrorists (most, if not all, of whom had “plans” that were “more aspirational than operational”) had nothing to do with fighting terrorism.
So why were they arrested if they weren’t terrorists? And if they really were terrorists, then are we not, in fact, “fighting them over here”? The lack of internal logic in their arguments is astounding.
July 21st, 2007 at 6:16 pmYou want the judiciary branch to be impartial. In theory, anyhow.
Comment by toasterhead
That was the basis for it at one time. You don’t judges who can be pressured by partisan issues. Unfortunately, the GOOPers lifted their leg all over than one.
July 21st, 2007 at 6:17 pmWayne, It’s clear that Bush wants it both ways. Which is it? Are we actually doing anything over here to combat terrorism or not? I see your point and it’s a valid one. Their ongoing idiocy never ceases to amaze me with each new moronic sound bite and talking point they invent. I guess they believe that americans are stupid and cannot see through their amazingly transparent schemes??
July 21st, 2007 at 6:20 pm#56 Take your pick. John Conyers has over a dozen of them beginning with overt lies and fiction to sell a war which has resulted in the unnecessary and cruel deaths of now close to 4,000 americans….want more??
July 21st, 2007 at 6:22 pmFried Brain/aka Toasterhead: WMD’s anyone?? What a total piece of fiction that was!
July 21st, 2007 at 6:23 pmI guess they believe that americans are stupid and cannot see through their amazingly transparent schemes??
Comment by veritas — July 21, 2007 @ 6:20 pm
Just the ones who voted for them twice.
July 21st, 2007 at 6:23 pmFried Brain/aka Toasterhead: WMD’s anyone?? What a total piece of fiction that was!
Comment by veritas — July 21, 2007 @ 6:23 pm
But which federal law did it violate?
July 21st, 2007 at 6:25 pmI guess they believe that americans are stupid and cannot see through their amazingly transparent schemes??
Comment by veritas
Well, they’ve gotten away w/ it waaaayyyy too much to date. I remember seeing some woman interviewed on TV around the start of the Iraq War. I still find her words stunning.
“Well, that’s why we’re fighting this war… so we have the right to shop however we want, right?” REEEAL close to her actual words.
S-H-U-D-D-E-R… be very, very afraid…
July 21st, 2007 at 6:26 pmThis is not what I voted for last year. I voted for the Democrats to end the war. They won’t do it.
July 21st, 2007 at 6:26 pm“Now it’s time for impeachment.”
Pelosi has taken impeachment off the table. What good is she?
July 21st, 2007 at 6:30 pm#56 Take your pick. John Conyers has over a dozen of them beginning with overt lies and fiction to sell a war which has resulted in the unnecessary and cruel deaths of now close to 4,000 americans….want more??
Comment by veritas — July 21, 2007 @ 6:22 pm
Lying to the public is not a violation of the law – it’s part of a politician’s job description. Lying to a grand jury is a violation of the law. Going to war based on false information is not impeachable unless you can prove that the President knew the information to be false. That’s very difficult to prove.
July 21st, 2007 at 6:30 pmTo all who replied on SCJ terms, the problem is that politics has become the driving force in Justice appointees. Four mindless robots (Alito, Scalia, Roberts and Thomas) are to be in place for too long.
July 21st, 2007 at 6:33 pmDixie Blood,
July 21st, 2007 at 6:34 pmDo you kiss your mother with that mouth!
One can always tell when someone is new to the computer world. Read, Dixie Blood @ 5:47
Big capital letters, wanting everyone to know, he thinks he’s somebody,ready to take on the WWW !
Dixie Blood, just cause in May 2007, telephone and electric service finally reached your trailer court, you don’t have show the world , right off the bat, what a ignorant hick you are! Are you on a party line, with the rest of trailer court,with only dial up service, from 3PM till dark?
Ease into it Dixie, don’t show the world right out of the starting blocks, how really dumb you are!
“resulted in the unnecessary and cruel deaths of now close to 4,000 americans”
And Pelosi has taken impeachment off the table??? WTF.
July 21st, 2007 at 6:34 pmComment by Bobby Hill
Aren’t you due back at your cartoon show, son?
July 21st, 2007 at 6:36 pmNancy Pelosi is violating the oath she took to defend the Constitution. [...]
Comment by jeanruss — July 21, 2007 @ 4:18 pm
these kins of posts concern me… first time troll (to my memory)…
pops in to make such an impressive statement… then gone…
i’m can sympathize with many of the sentiments, actually…
but i get the feeling that these comments are left to cause a split,
to foster disagreements among dems/libs/progs…
it just seems misplaced, considering all circumstances…
July 21st, 2007 at 6:36 pmjust a gut feeling… heh…
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isis11,
July 21st, 2007 at 6:39 pmWhat exactly is your plan, seeing how the Senate Democrats don’t have a veto proof majority?
Lay it out right here,I know you have a fool proof way of getting the troops out! Come on, don’t hold out on your country!
George Washington, our founding father, who warned against entangling alliances, must be turning over, about now. But don’t take my word for it. Read Pelosi’s speech (which follows) and draw your own conclusions.
Published on Friday, May 27, 2005 by CommonDreams.org
Nancy Pelosi Gives a Pep Talk to AIPAC
The Democratic leader in her own words
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0527-23.htm
July 21st, 2007 at 6:40 pmit just seems misplaced, considering all circumstances…
just a gut feeling… heh…
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Comment by katy
I agree katy. I think there is a certain degree of that going on here now. I’ve seen some other highly suspect comments posted of late just like that one.
July 21st, 2007 at 6:43 pmBush says US, Pakistan targeting Al-Qaeda ’safe-haven’
The US president said Musharraf recognized that a September 2006 deal with tribal chiefs to police their own region had failed and that he was “taking active steps to correct it.”
“Earlier this month, he sent in Pakistani forces to go after radicals who seized control of a mosque, and then he delivered a speech vowing to rid all of Pakistan of extremism,” the US president said.
“Pakistani forces are in the fight, and many have given their lives. The United States supports them in these efforts. And we will work with our partners to deny safe haven to the Taliban and Al-Qaeda in Pakistan — or anywhere else in the world,” Bush said.
July 21st, 2007 at 6:44 pmSpineless coward Democrats!
http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070719/NATION/70719001/1001
Democrats cut ‘John Doe’ provision
Congressional Democrats today failed to include a provision in homeland security legislation that would protect the public from being sued for reporting suspicious behavior that may lead to a terrorist attack, according to House Republican leaders.
“This is a slap in the face of good citizens who do their patriotic duty and come forward, and it caves in to radical Islamists,” said Rep. Peter T. King, New York Republican and ranking member of the House Homeland Security Committee.
Yep, lets punish people for taking notice of terrorist operations around them!
July 21st, 2007 at 6:45 pm“What exactly is your plan, seeing how the Senate Democrats don’t have a veto proof majority?”
I am not a member of congress. Nancy Pelosi is. I voted for the Democrats to end the war. They have popular support to do so. I see Sen. Byrd passionatly talking about dogs on the senate floor. They should get it done and bring our troops home now.
July 21st, 2007 at 6:47 pm“i’m can…” … jeesh…
oh, and hill?
July 21st, 2007 at 6:47 pmwe are all quite familiar with our dixie…
it’s not a problem with the truthtellers, ya know…
…
Hey, ace,
As usual, great posts. thanks.
A very funny thing happened to me here yesterday. I’f you’d like to hear about it, please meet me at AmericaBlog’s current thread, and I’ll tell you all about it.
July 21st, 2007 at 6:48 pm“This is a slap in the face of good citizens who do their patriotic duty and come forward, and it caves in to radical Islamists,†said Rep. Peter T. King, New York Republican and ranking member of the House Homeland Security Committee.
Yep, lets punish people for taking notice of terrorist operations around them!
Comment by m12
Could you also word that to say, “Dems refused to grant blanket protection to paranoid nuts who turn in their neighbors?”
The only question I have for Pete **snicker** King is, “When are you going to drop the pretense and start wearing the beanie propeller in public, Congressman?”
July 21st, 2007 at 6:49 pmisis11,
July 21st, 2007 at 6:49 pmDon’t try to spin your way out of my question! If you have a better way of proceeding, let’s have it?
“If you have a better way of proceeding, let’s have it?”
How about if they cut out the bullshit. Take up Iraq night and day. Get us out of Iraq. Change the senate rules if they have to. They have the will of the people at their sides and they can’t even do anything about it.
July 21st, 2007 at 6:52 pmAlmost 4000 Americans have died in Iraq. For God sake’s Nancy, bring impeachment hearings in the house of representatives. This is not a blow job we are talking about here.
July 21st, 2007 at 7:00 pm“Mr. King noted the conference report has not been written…”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070720/NATION/107200094/1001
Then why has he got his panties in such a twist?
July 21st, 2007 at 7:01 pmM12,
July 21st, 2007 at 7:01 pmEver heard of “Racial Profiling”? Today’s politically correct terrorist might be a Middle Easterner, and tomorrow a young white male from Ohio ( remember the white American Terrorist Tim McVeigh)! Had this amendment be allowed to stay in the bill and became law, guess what?
You M12, could be picked up off the street, held for years ,with no trial, and then just released oops, sorry cause someone mistakenly identified you as a terrorist, just because of your looks, profile, color! But guess what, under that Law you couldn’t sue the person ,or police or anybody that ratted you out ! Your SOL! That’s what that Racial Profiling law was all about!
Sluggo #41: The most sensible comment posted in the last five days.
July 21st, 2007 at 7:02 pmKeep up the good commentary and don’t the trolls (real, fake or imagined) get you down.
“A short-term impeachment strategy is risky and may fail but has the potential to save lives.”
Why not start impeachment proceedings in the house? Build momentum and bring it to the senate. Bush only has a 26% approval rating. We can sway public opinion to impeach him.
July 21st, 2007 at 7:04 pmisis11,
July 21st, 2007 at 7:07 pmI see you have no understanding of how the Senate works!
If you did, you wouldn’t want to shout it to the world, like you just did, letting everyone know to know how simply uniformed you are, after making a statement like you just did!
The RNC is probably right now, putting you on their mailing list, you’re a perfect example of what a Regressive Republican is today!
We need to fight the terrorists over there, so we don’t have to fight them here at home.
It’s best to keep the suicide bombers and exploding school buses over there.
Comment by muckdog
Do you sincerely buy that fear mongering bull crap?
July 21st, 2007 at 7:09 pmRidiculous, irrational contention. Continuing to grind up our own soldiers and slaughter Iraqis is only going weaken our military, enrage the entire Moslem world, and do NOTHING to make us safer.
Seems like the entire “Moslem” world was “enraged” before we went into Iraq.
Perhaps you’re not familiar with history.
I think if you reviewed history you might find that the suicide bombers and those blowing up malls, buses, cars, and restaurants for the most part were enraged “Moslems.” And this has been going on long before Bush was President. The first Bush.
If we surrender then that would be the greatest recruiting tool ever. It would be a defacto acknowledgment that Allah > God. That blowing themselves up and killing innocents is what they should be doing more of.
Is that the message you’d like to send to the “Moslems?”
July 21st, 2007 at 7:09 pmRed Sox Sam,
What is your plan for getting us out of Iraq? Or are you just a troll Republican?
July 21st, 2007 at 7:11 pmDang #90
I just wasted 15 seconds of my life going up to #41 to read “The most sensible comment posted in the last five days.â€
Needless to say you’re right – and that tells you how incredibly low the TP bar is set.
July 21st, 2007 at 7:12 pmAnother reason impeachment is the right idea – It will expose to the masses just how corrupt this administration really is. Maybe for once the dirty deeds will make front page and breaking news.
July 21st, 2007 at 7:15 pmToo many out there that refuse to believe the truth as the media does not cover it.
Impeachment would be a good political ploy, if it is understood to have no chance of succeeding in removing Bush & Cheney.
The repuke votes aren’t there in the senate, nor will they be.
If it is a political measure taken to keep the chymp & darth veeper so occupied they are impeded in any additional mischief, then that’s a good thing.
It won’t, as my rep says, cause a groundswell of support for Bush. He’s completely full of shit on that point.
What it might do is keep the pressure on the repukes to justify their blind ass following of Bush orders.
The tactics in play by the Dems now will not stop the war.
July 21st, 2007 at 7:17 pmHowever, they may force the repukes to side with the chymp, punching huge holes in their re-election campaigns for 08.
If we surrender then that would be the greatest recruiting tool ever. It would be a defacto acknowledgment that Allah > God. That blowing themselves up and killing innocents is what they should be doing more of.
Is that the message you’d like to send to the “Moslems?â€
Comment by muckdog
So, you will be enlisting, no? You couldn’t wear your dress if you did, ya know.
I repeat my prior statement. You are an irrational person making meaningless statments. NEXT!!!
July 21st, 2007 at 7:19 pm“Impeachment would be a good political ploy, if it is understood to have no chance of succeeding in removing Bush & Cheney.”
It would be a good way to expose the misdeads of the Bush administration. Everyday we could put another item in front of the voters.
July 21st, 2007 at 7:20 pmSeems like the entire “Moslem†world was “enraged†before we went into Iraq.
Comment by muckdog — July 21, 2007 @ 7:09 pm
Maybe…. but Al Qaeda really opened a suicide bomber franchise in Iraq…and is exporting to Afghanistan….Pakistan….North Africa….Europe….
By the way…there were no Terrorist Attacks in Iraq before we toppled Saddam. NONE
July 21st, 2007 at 7:21 pmMuckdog: Why do we have troops stationed in Saudi Arabia (courtesy of bush’s dad)? Why do you think bin laden turned on us in the early 90s?
Maybe we should be thinking about not only leaving Iraq, but Saudi Arabia, too. It may be a start toward diffusing some of their hatred towards us.
Oh, but the oil . . .
July 21st, 2007 at 7:25 pmThe Congressional Quaterly quote that started this topic (remember the topic), starts with a sentence containing errors that are presented as “matters of fact.” See for yourself:
With some temporary leeway granted by her party’s anti-war activists, Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., will try this week to chip away at President Bush’s Iraq policy rather than halt the war outright.
When did those opposing the interminable occuptaion and destruction of Iraq (code name: “anti-war activists”) give Speaker Pelosi any “leeway?”
Do you see any “leeway giving” on this thread?
Then there is the phrase, “…chip away ….rather than halt the war outright.”
The war? You know, the NeoCon talking points for the invasion: finding weapons of mass destruction, deposing the dictator, establishing free election. Well, that “war” is over what we have is 150,000+ U.S. troops occupying a country that is in the midst of an extremely destructive civil war. It seems that THAT needs to be HALTED rather than “chipped away” at.
So, to move away from CQ’s disengenuousness to Pelosi’s tactics of the moment:
Speaker Pelosi appears to be doing a political dance, hoping not to offend the independents before the 2008 election. We’ve been through that kind of “political dance before. In 2002, Gebhardt and Daschle danced us into a “pre-emptive war.” Now wasn’t THAT a nice dance?
It is time to cut out the “dance” and start with troop withdrawal and and impeachment.
Why impeachment?
It will totally occupy the current corrupt administration, as it did the Clinton administration. Some of the worst behavior may be postponed.
Won’t that block progressive legislation from getting through?
July 21st, 2007 at 7:35 pmThe Senate NeoCons are already blocking progressive legislation and the veto is ready for legislation that isn’t blocked.
“You are an irrational person making meaningless statments.”
Perfect for TP!
July 21st, 2007 at 7:35 pmTP sucks!!
Censoring is unAmerican!!!
July 21st, 2007 at 7:37 pmCensoring is unAmerican!!!
Comment by test — July 21, 2007 @ 7:37 pm
Sadly it is sooo American despite being the antithesis of the professed values. Just don’t F with the guns
July 21st, 2007 at 7:40 pmDixie Blood,
Do you kiss your mother with that mouth!
Yes I do and she curses your stupid a$$ too!!
What about it mor0n?
One can always tell when someone is new to the computer world. Read, Dixie Blood @ 5:47
Stupid A$$
I’ve been writing software for the internet way before you stopped drooling between your mommy’s legs!!,
Big capital letters, wanting everyone to know, he thinks he’s somebody,ready to take on the WWW !
Take on the WWW? Are you on drugs? I just kicked your ass with one-half of my brain tied behind my back! WWW? That’s your enemy a$$hole!!!
Dixie Blood, just cause in May 2007, telephone and electric service finally reached your trailer court, you don’t have show the world , right off the bat, what a ignorant hick you are! Are you on a party line, with the rest of trailer court,with only dial up service, from 3PM till dark?
Ease into it Dixie, don’t show the world right out of the starting blocks, how really dumb you are!
You are a moron. I live in an area of the world that doesn’t come close to your stupid ass, closed mind view of the southern regions of the US even though I don’t live there!!!
You picked out your own prejudices by just using my moniker!! A$$Hole! Racist B!tch!!!
That’s the phiiicking dumbmensstsestttest thing a dumbass moron can do!!
If you’re so smart a$$hole, where do I actually live???
Comment by (a stupid a$$) Bobby Hill — July 21, 2007 @ 6:34 pm
July 21st, 2007 at 7:41 pmqq
#102 helena
To answer your question, (I think) we have troops stationed in Saudi Arabia (courtesy of bush’s dad) and in other places around the world to protect our national security. And the honest people will agree that that includes the free flow of oil – not stealing oil, but finding it, drilling for it, pumping it, transporting it, and buying it.
The oil wasn’t doing the Arabs any good before we got there. And oil is as important to Americans as air. You can’t live without it, and neither can I – and if you tell me you can, then just send yours my way and it’ll lower the price.
July 21st, 2007 at 7:49 pmThe topic of this thread (for those of you who pay attention) is:
CQ’s claim that:
“With some temporary leeway granted by her party’s anti-war activists, Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., will try this week to chip away at President Bush’s Iraq policy rather than halt the war outright.”
The trolls keep trying to change the subject. Please don’t let them.
July 21st, 2007 at 7:53 pmSorry, folks…was away, but now I’m back, both here at at Americablog, if you’re interested.
July 21st, 2007 at 7:54 pm# 108: Saudi Arabia is not just another place to stations our troops to protect out national security, it is the home of two of Islam’s holiest cities. We had no troops there prior to Gulf War One and sadam, obviously is no longer a threat to Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. Why do we need to have troops stationed there? It’s like poking a stick in the fundamentalist’s eyes.
July 21st, 2007 at 7:54 pm“our” national security.
July 21st, 2007 at 7:55 pmBobby Hill,
Do you on a Hill or in a Ditch?
That’s a stupid question, right?
See how dumb you are?
July 21st, 2007 at 8:10 pm“our†national security.
Comment by helenahandbasket
Understood. From the experts I’ve heard – and they line up on both sides, but the Saudi leadership wants US protection from the “peopleâ€. And it’s the “House of Saud†– Saudi leadership that sells us the oil.
So we hold our collective noses and deal with a few hundred Saudi leaders and buy their oil, rather than doing the progressive thing and siding with the Arab proletariat and having to deal with 50 million different opinions about oil, occupiers, crusaders, infidels, etc.
I think.
July 21st, 2007 at 8:14 pmThe problem with your theory is that you are assuming that they can get to the roof, starting form the basement. The problem with this is that Nancy Pelosi, by announcing that Impeachment WOULD NOT be on the table, gave Bush and his friends the leeway to thumb their noses in the face of Congress. How are we going to get to the roof if everyone involved in Bush’s crimes either loses their memory or refuses to answer, or worst of all, doesn’t even bother to show up? The only way Congress can get around this is by 1) using Inherent Contempt and 2) Starting impeachment proceedings. Once Bush is under Articles of Impeachment, he will no longer be able to claim Executive Privilege and his friends will have nowhere to hide.
Nancy Pelosi needs to put impeachment on the table. That doesn’t mean that the Democrats need to immediately start impeachment proceedings, but putting impeachment on the table will put Bush and Friends on notice that the Democrats are no longer going to play nice.
July 21st, 2007 at 8:14 pmDixie Blood,
July 21st, 2007 at 8:16 pmUp Bush’s ass, I presume that’s were you live, right?
You’d better slow down, you’re going to bust that Miller-Lite beer gut, all over the parking lot, up at the local Laundromat, Hair Salon, Gas Station, and School ( Grades 1-12) all in a one-stall garage!
Dixie, How old were you when they finally social promoted you into the 4th grade, 16, 17?
One more thing Dixie, I can tell you’re not ready for the Big Leagues, your inane drivel gives you away! Maybe in another year or two, how about checking back then?
By the way…there were no Terrorist Attacks in Iraq before we toppled Saddam. NONE
Comment by Badger
Any way you can get that tattooed on the foreheads of trolls like muckdog, m12, michael, on and on?
July 21st, 2007 at 8:25 pmI believe it can happen. I believe that if we impeach Bush/Chaney (together), the American people will be watching the impeachment proceeding very carefully. When they see all the crimes that Bush and Chaney have committed, and all the evidence we have of those crimes, the American public will be marching in the streets demanding their impeachment. By the time they take a vote, the Republican senators who have been supporting Bush will know that if they don’t vote to impeach, there will be no hope for their re-election in 2008. And if, in the end, they are not impeached, at least we will have shown this country and the world that we care about our constitution and the rule of law.
July 21st, 2007 at 8:26 pmbilboboggins,
July 21st, 2007 at 8:28 pmI believe that she said that, in hoping in the new Congress, instead of the old way of “My way, or the highway” that bipartisanship might actually have a chance to work! Also, you don’t want to telegraph to the enemy (Republicans) your game plan, before the horse race starts.
It’s my opinion, that the Dem’s are going after the Impeachment Process correctly, by dotting all their I’s, and crossing all their T’s .
It may take more time, but in the end Bush and Company will be the losers, and the Country, a winner! That’s just one man’s opinion though.
how about checking back then?
Comment by Bobby Hill
Better hurry home, Bobby, or they’ll start the show w/out you. And you know how much Hank likes things bein’ reg’lar, son!!!
July 21st, 2007 at 8:28 pmI’m going to be the next president.
July 21st, 2007 at 8:29 pmI’m going to be the next president.
Comment by Fred Thompson
Okay, Mr P is here. His hand cramps must have subisded, for the moment.
July 21st, 2007 at 8:31 pmbilbobaggins sez:
While I fully understand your reasoning for wanting Chimpy & Deadeye impeached simultaneously, I’m not sure if there is any procedure for such a ‘tandem’ impeachment.
July 21st, 2007 at 8:32 pmAll you super smart “I got a good idea how to impeach†progressives – don’t fill up these threads.
Send your stuff directly to the Dem leadership. And when they reject your nonsense, then it’ll save us trolls lots of counter debate.
We know your nuts, and the Dem leadership knows your nuts. It’s just you that don’t know your nuts.
Feel free to fight back with “nuts†rejoinders.
July 21st, 2007 at 8:43 pmFeel free to fight back with “nuts†rejoinders.
Comment by You still have time
You’re late, dum-dum. All the otehr trolls have gone home, and the locals are off taking care of personal stuff.
“Nut” rejoinders? Your words speak for themselves, pal.
July 21st, 2007 at 8:45 pmTMM, welcome back. We thought U was hung…
July 21st, 2007 at 8:50 pmDemocratic Stalling and Obfuscation:
It is not clear whether this is tactical stalling and deception in order to position for the’08 elections OR it is to cloak full willful participation in the ongoing war crimes in Iraq AND both the war crimes and the crimes against humanity to be wrought on the Iranian people. What is obvious is the intentional stalling, the obfuscation of their agenda, and these faux attempts to stop either war. The ban on permanent bases is no restriction whatsoever to the monstrous permanent bases already built, being built or in the planning stages. The wording of the legislation does nothing to impede these. All the administration has to do is to use some other label for them. The same thing is true for the withdrawal proposals which would still allow hundreds of thousands of soldiers and mercenaries to remain in the country simply by matching the labels for them to the exceptions listed in the bills.
July 21st, 2007 at 8:52 pmThe democrats are purposely holding open the door to attacking a peaceful nation (Iran has not initiated an attack on another nation in two centuries) that poses no threat the US or Israel. As Seymour Hersh reported, operations attacking Iraq began a year ago by clandestine US forces as well as Kurdish and other terrorist operatives. The significance of the September review should not have gone unnoticed to those remembering that the Bush regime has admitted that they wouldn’t bring out a new marketing campaign in the summer, and would always wait until September to launch any new massive coordinated campaigns of lies to the American public. The White House and many members of Congress (including at least some democrats) know whatever it is that has been long planned but is to be announced as some response to whatever lies Petraeus will bring in September.
From day one in January Pelosi and Reid had it within their power to stop this madness by simply preventing any military legislation (including appropriations) until the necessary language was included. They did not do this and almost all of the powerful democrats (including Levin and Obama) parroted the lies that any war-ending legislation would be the same as not supporting and protecting the troops. In terms of actions taken, there is no genuine representation in the US government for the people, the law, our security, our freedom, democracy or even for simple decency. If it was possible to impeach all of those with significant power, we would have an option that was best for the country and all of humanity.
Tie the appropriations bill to a date certain to end the war and with a huge tax break for the oil companies…
July 21st, 2007 at 8:57 pmThen dare the president to veto it.
RUCerious sez:
I was, and still am. Check the “Deathly Hallows thread at Americablog for the gory details.
July 21st, 2007 at 9:01 pmMr. Stupidity,
I was not egging you on. I don’t think I ever read anything that would indicate that you were a “super smart “I got a good idea how to impeach†progressiveâ€.
I guess you’re something else. And here’s the word “nuts†again, if you want to take the bait.
July 21st, 2007 at 9:03 pmI guess you’re something else. And here’s the word “nuts†again, if you want to take the bait.
Comment by You still have time
Gosh, “nuts” is such an articulated, meaningful word. Okay, tough guy, go ahead. Lay me out cold.
July 21st, 2007 at 9:11 pmLong List Of Bush-Cheney
Administration Lies Regarding Iraq
Compiled by a What Really Happened.com reader..
10-7-4
“Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.”
- Dick Cheney, August 26 2002
“Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.”
- George W. Bush, September 12 2002
“If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world.”
- Ari Fleischer, December 2 2002
“We know for a fact that there are weapons there.”
- Ari Fleischer, January 9 2003
“Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.”
- George W. Bush, State of the Union address, January 28 2003
“We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more.”
- Colin Powell, February 5 2003
“We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons.”
- George Bush, February 8 2003
“Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.”
- George Bush, March 17 2003
“Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly . . . all this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes.”
- Ari Fleischer, March 21 2003
“There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. As this operation continues, those weapons will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them and who guard them.”
- Gen. Tommy Franks, March 22 2003
“We know where they are. They are in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad.”
- Donald Rumsfeld, March 30 2003.
“Iraq has trained Al Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases.”
- Bush in October 2002.
“Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of al Qaeda.”
- Bush in January 2003 State of the Union address.
“Iraq has also provided Al Qaeda with chemical and biological weapons training.”
- Bush in February 2003.
“sinister nexus between Iraq and the Al-Qaeda terrorist network.”
Powell in his U.N. speech prior to the Iraq War.
“We have removed an ally of Al Qaeda.”
Bush in May 2003.
Stated that the Iraqis were “providing bomb-making expertise and advice to the Al Qaeda organization.”
- Cheney in September 2003.
“Saddam had an established relationship with Al Qaeda, providing training to Al Qaeda members in the areas of poisons, gases, making conventional weapons.”
- Cheney in October 2003.
…….
Cheney said Saddam “had long established ties with Al Qaeda.”
- June 14, 2004.
Bush said, “The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and Al Qaeda, because there was a relationship between Iraq and Al Qaeda.”
July 21st, 2007 at 9:18 pm- June 17, 2004.
Comment by You still have time — July 21, 2007 @ 9:03 pm
Oh, BTW, last poster here to call me “Mr. Stupidity” was Mr P….
July 21st, 2007 at 9:20 pmBush said, “The reason I keep insisting that there was a relationship between Iraq and Saddam and Al Qaeda, because there was a relationship between Iraq and Al Qaeda.â€
- June 17, 2004.
Comment by leftcoast
Pretty depressing, leftcoast. I wonder how many tons of Sarin and mustard gas this country has stashed away? of course, it would be short the amount we gave Saddam back in the ’80’s, huh?
July 21st, 2007 at 9:23 pmMr. S,
Gosh, “nuts†is such an articulated, meaningful word. Okay, tough guy, go ahead. Lay me out cold.
Lay you out cold? I don’t think I could do that textually.
The only thing I could add is that your previous ARTICULATED, MEANINGFUL response was
â€You’re late, dum-dum. All the otehr trolls have gone home, and the locals are off taking care of personal stuff. “Nut†rejoinders? Your words speak for themselves, pal.â€
How could I compete with that? At least we’re still pals.
BTW, no relation to Mr. P
July 21st, 2007 at 9:26 pm“[Pelosi] will try this week to chip away at President Bush’s Iraq policy rather than halt the war outright.”
Yeah… you do that!!!
HEyOOoooOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 21st, 2007 at 9:27 pmMr. P is chillin’.
He isn’t going to use that name, it tends to scare people away.
He told me to tell you TPers… “Breed, breed… Jesus loves the aroma of TPers procreating!!!”
July 21st, 2007 at 9:29 pm“Fraud†-includes deliberate misrepresentations, outright lies, half-truths and statements made with reckless disregard for the truth. Bush and Cheney used all of these methods to convince the public and Congress to agree to their plan to invade Iraq.
July 21st, 2007 at 9:30 pmHe told me to tell you TPers… “Breed, breed… Jesus loves the aroma of TPers procreating!!!â€
Comment by Kalashnikov
Mr. P is back with the gun used by Islamist extremists.
July 21st, 2007 at 9:32 pmComment by leftcoast — July 21, 2007 @ 9:32 pm
Shhh… I don’t want to scare people away, so I’m using a name that will blend right in to this Islamic loving bunch!!!
July 21st, 2007 at 9:35 pmHow could I compete with that? At least we’re still pals.
BTW, no relation to Mr. P
Comment by You still have time
We know your nuts, and the Dem leadership knows your nuts. It’s just you that don’t know your nuts.
Feel free to fight back with “nuts†rejoinders.
Comment by You still have time
Indeed, you come thru the door w/ a comment like that, and people don’t throw roses? I can’t understand what’s up w/ THAT.
And so how can I compete w/ that?
BTW, I don’t believe you when you say you’re not Mr. P
People here are nuts, but when Bill O’Reilly talks about lesbian gangs running amok in DC or Mr P tries to sell this cock-n-bull story that the Saudis aren’t Moslems, those folks are making sense?
July 21st, 2007 at 9:38 pmwhen Bill O’Reilly talks about lesbian gangs running amok in DC or Mr P tries to sell this cock-n-bull story that the Saudis aren’t Moslems, those folks are making sense?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 21, 2007 @ 9:38 pm
July 21st, 2007 at 9:45 pm————————-
Yes!!!
Ok, “nuts†offended you. How about this:
Send your stuff directly to the Dem leadership. And when they reject your nonsense, then it’ll save us trolls lots of counter debate.
We know that your [calls for impeachment will accomplish nothing], and the Dem leadership knows your [calls for impeachment will accomplish nothing]. It’s just you that don’t know your [calls for impeachment will accomplish nothing].
No more “nuts”. Don’t want to offend.
July 21st, 2007 at 9:52 pmComment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 21, 2007 @ 9:38 pm
Since he says “yes”, he clearly does not use facts and reason in his decision making. Therefore, he should not bother posting to a blog looking for ideas on how to solve some of our nation’s (and the world’s) problems. (I added the world because we are all interconnected whether we like it or not. I like it, but I know people like Mr. P and his Sybil Collection of personalities don’t.)
July 21st, 2007 at 9:52 pmWho’s here? Just Wayne and Mr. Stupid???
How are you guys gonna breed???
Mr. Stupid is impotent!!!
I’ll be back sometime in the future…
July 21st, 2007 at 9:55 pmI’ll be back sometime in the future…
Comment by Kalashnikov — July 21, 2007 @ 9:55 pm
Oh, please do forget to keep the appointment.
July 21st, 2007 at 9:57 pmWayne, you said he “does not use facts and reason in his decision making. Therefore, he should not bother posting to a blog looking for ideas on how to solve some of our nation’s (and the world’s) problems.â€
Um, this is TP.
Over 50 percent of the threads refer to the President of the United States as Hitler or a chimp. Solving problems?
Facts and Reason? Don’t bother posting to this prestigious blog looking for ways to solve our nations problems – today we had every manor of “head up the prez a$$†and the vice prez should shoot himself, etc., forgive me for thinking this is an enlightened problem solving blog.
July 21st, 2007 at 10:04 pmSo Bobby Hill, if you have nearly a decade to plan for a regime change in a foreign land would you listen to an investment banker/CEO or the Generals?
So It seems Bobby that the house plans called for a 4′ x 4′ foundation and a Roof with infinite ever expanding dimensions. A bad plan is a bad plan is a bad plan no matter how skilled your workers.
July 21st, 2007 at 10:06 pmWe know that your [calls for impeachment will accomplish nothing], and the Dem leadership knows your [calls for impeachment will accomplish nothing]. It’s just you that don’t know your [calls for impeachment will accomplish nothing].
No more “nutsâ€. Don’t want to offend.
Comment by You still have time
So the meatgrinder in Iraq goes on, the rest of the world hates the US even more, and we’re nuts for not liking this. The govt’s own NIE say Aal Qaeda is regrouping and the war in Iraq has made us less safe, and we’re crazy for not liking this. Outside of some extraordinary narcissism on your part, what point do you think YOU’RE making?
“Your calls for impeachment”
By 6 March 2007 a total of 39 towns in Vermont (up from just five towns in 2006) had passed resolutions calling on the U.S. Congress to file articles of impeachment against President Bush for misleading the nation on Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction and for engaging in illegal wiretapping. On May 17, 2007, the Detroit City Council passed a unanimous, non-binding resolution calling for the impeachment of President Bush and Vice-President Cheney. The resolution was sponsored by Monica Conyers, wife of Rep. John Conyers.
As of June, 2007, a number of local community governments had passed similar impeachment resolutions, as follows[38]
California: 6 cities
Illinois: 1 city (Urbana)
Massachusetts: 17 towns
Michigan: 2 cities (Detroit; Ferndale)
New Hampshire: 1 township (Hanover)
New York: 4 townships; 1 county (Tompkins)
North Carolina: 2 towns (Carrboro; Chapel Hill}
Ohio: 1 city (Oberlin)
Vermont: 39 townships
Washington: 11 state legislative districts; 1 city (Olympia)
Plus an increasing number of states…
Riiight… just disorganized kooks.
I’m not offended by your use of the word “nuts”. you clearly mean it to be a perjorative. Like the word “crazy”, it has no medical bearing.
What I do react to is your immediate caustic, offensive intention.
Please, go ahead and “offend”. It’s basic physics. For every action, there is an opposite and equal reaction. Everytime you tke a shot at one of us, you’re smacking yurself in the face at the same time.
Any good martial artist can tell you that. Please, please continue to spew irrational vitriol whenever you come here. You will be showered w/ it in return. Just out of curiosity, who is “we”?
July 21st, 2007 at 10:12 pmComment by God — July 21, 2007 @ 10:06 pm
God, you do realize Bobby Hill is a cartoon character?
July 21st, 2007 at 10:13 pm“Over 50 percent of the threads refer to the President of the United States as Hitler or a chimp.”
That statement is so over the top, one wonders how a person so divorced from reality can even figure out how to use a computer.
July 21st, 2007 at 10:14 pmforgive me for thinking this is an enlightened problem solving blog.
Comment by Nothing matters
I guess that just underscores the resentment and frustration people feel around this issue.
Should we be more like BigDick and just tell someone else to “Go f*ck yourself”?
July 21st, 2007 at 10:15 pmMr. Stupid is impotent!!!
I’ll be back sometime in the future…
Comment by Kalashnikov
Oh wow… WHAT a zinger. I’m gonna have bruises in that show in the morning for sure. Ouch… ouch… ouch… please don’t hurt me again.
July 21st, 2007 at 10:17 pmone wonders how a person so divorced from reality can even figure out how to use a computer.
Comment by barfly
let alone count…
July 21st, 2007 at 10:17 pmWe know that your [calls for impeachment will accomplish nothing], and the Dem leadership knows your [calls for impeachment will accomplish nothing]. It’s just you that don’t know your [calls for impeachment will accomplish nothing].
No more “nutsâ€. Don’t want to offend.
Comment by You still have time
So the meatgrinder in Iraq goes on, the rest of the world hates the US even more, and we’re nuts for not liking this. The govt’s own NIE say Aal Qaeda is regrouping and the war in Iraq has made us less safe, and we’re crazy for not liking this. Outside of some extraordinary narcissism on your part, what point do you think YOU’RE making?
“Your calls for impeachmentâ€
By 6 March 2007 a total of 39 towns in Vermont (up from just five towns in 2006) had passed resolutions calling on the U.S. Congress to file articles of impeachment against President Bush for misleading the nation on Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction and for engaging in illegal wiretapping. On May 17, 2007, the Detroit City Council passed a unanimous, non-binding resolution calling for the impeachment of President Bush and Vice-President Cheney. The resolution was sponsored by Monica Conyers, wife of Rep. John Conyers.
As of June, 2007, a number of local community governments had passed similar impeachment resolutions, as follows[38]
California: 6 cities
Illinois: 1 city (Urbana)
Massachusetts: 17 towns
Michigan: 2 cities (Detroit; Ferndale)
New Hampshire: 1 township (Hanover)
New York: 4 townships; 1 county (Tompkins)
North Carolina: 2 towns (Carrboro; Chapel Hill}
Ohio: 1 city (Oberlin)
Vermont: 39 townships
Washington: 11 state legislative districts; 1 city (Olympia)
Plus an increasing number of states…
Riiight… just disorganized kooks.
I’m not offended by your use of the word “nutsâ€. you clearly mean it to be a perjorative. Like the word “crazyâ€, it has no medical bearing.
What I do react to is your immediate caustic, offensive intention.
Please, go ahead and “offendâ€. It’s basic physics. For every action, there is an opposite and equal reaction. Everytime you tke a shot at one of us, you’re smacking yurself in the face at the same time.
Any good martial artist can tell you that. Please, please continue to spew irrational vitriol whenever you come here. You will be showered w/ it in return. Just out of curiosity, who is “we�
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 21, 2007 @ 10:12 pm
I’m trying to get through this, but if we’re having a longwinded post contest I don’t want to get behind…
Be right back.
July 21st, 2007 at 10:18 pmJuly 21, 2007 @ 10:06 pm God, you do realize Bobby Hill is a cartoon character? Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
I realize that post #19 by Bobby Hill was not written by a television set. I also realize that the human race is also not all that much different from cartoon characters.
The question is why do these ‘hue-manna’ holographic entities constantly fight over what they can never actually own nor comprehend? And why do they constantly fight over whose God can kick whose Gods behind? I only have one behind. =)
July 21st, 2007 at 10:20 pmbill (HR 2929) sponsored by Barbara Lee, D-Calif., that would effectively extend a ban on permanent U.S. bases in Iraq.
Why bother highlighting this as though it is important ?
In face why bother mentioning it at all ?
This is the same bill that you have been running stories about here for months and it is just as pointless as it was when you started, no matter how you spin it.
It DOES NOT prohibit permanent bases in Iraq. It prohibits only the ESTABLISHMENT of new bases. Something which isn’t required since all the existing permanent bases in Iraq are sufficient.
The US has been operating out of massive bases in Iraq for 4 years during which time they have had the maximum amount of troops they will ever have in Iraq.
WTF reason would they have to establish a new permanent base ?
Idiots. Use your fkn head instead of being cheerleaders for BS window dressing.
July 21st, 2007 at 10:26 pm2.2 lbs of bs, don’t get cute with one word of the language, as here’s the
SEC. 2. STATEMENT OF POLICY.
It is the policy of the United States not to establish any military installation or base for the purpose of providing for the permanent stationing of United States Armed Forces in Iraq and not to exercise United States control of the oil resources of Iraq.
July 21st, 2007 at 10:31 pm“Over 50 percent of the threads refer to the President of the United States as Hitler or a chimp.â€
I haven’t been in on this whole blogging thing from the beginning, so I’ve picked it all up along the way. My understanding is that a “thread” is the article that TP posts. To my knowledge, TP has never referrred to Bush as a chimp or Hitler.
If the poster meant to refer to the comments made by other posters, at the time he wrote this there were two, and only two, references to Bush as a “chimp” and zero as “Hitler”, on this thread.
Sounds like just another meaningless, baseless, fact-challenged attack by a very, very scared child.
July 21st, 2007 at 10:57 pmWTF is wrong with you ? What you just quoted confirmed what I said idiot.
Either you think a bill portrayed as prohibiting guns in schools but in reality only prohibits new guns and not those already there would be misleading or you don’t. You do. The end.
July 21st, 2007 at 11:52 pmSo with knowledge of where he is referred to him as such on a daily basis you could have probably guessed better.
July 21st, 2007 at 11:54 pmI’m going to be the next Vice President.
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:05 amCould you also word that to say, “Dems refused to grant blanket protection to paranoid nuts who turn in their neighbors?â€
The only question I have for Pete **snicker** King is, “When are you going to drop the pretense and start wearing the beanie propeller in public, Congressman?â€
Being vigilant and prepared is paranoia? Gosh, if someone sees Osama, they better keep their mouth shut, or else they’ll get a lawsuit rammed up their rear!
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:10 amEver heard of “Racial Profiling� Today’s politically correct terrorist might be a Middle Easterner, and tomorrow a young white male from Ohio ( remember the white American Terrorist Tim McVeigh)! Had this amendment be allowed to stay in the bill and became law, guess what?
You M12, could be picked up off the street, held for years ,with no trial, and then just released oops, sorry cause someone mistakenly identified you as a terrorist, just because of your looks, profile, color! But guess what, under that Law you couldn’t sue the person ,or police or anybody that ratted you out ! Your SOL! That’s what that Racial Profiling law was all about!
You mean we all tend to look for characteristics of terrorists to identify terrorists? Oh noez!
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:12 amBeing vigilant and prepared is paranoia? Gosh, if someone sees Osama, they better keep their mouth shut, or else they’ll get a lawsuit rammed up their rear!
Comment by m12 — July 22, 2007 @ 12:10 am
Glad you found the courage to crawl out from under you bed and post today… Gutsy of you to do that while Osama is reputedly still on this planet… but I think you should turn your attention to what is by far the most serious threat we face today… the BOOGIE MAN!!!! Please inform us of any sightings. We will indemnify you from lawsuits.
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:08 am” It’s my opinion, that the Dem’s are going after the Impeachment Process correctly, by dotting all their I’s, and crossing all their T’s .
It may take more time, but in the end Bush and Company will be the losers, and the Country, a winner! That’s just one man’s opinion though.
Comment by Fred Clemson ”
So, Fred, please tell me how they are going to dot their I’s and cross their T’s when they are unable to get the evidence they need due to the Bush Administration’s stonewalling them at every point?
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:19 amBy the way…there were no Terrorist Attacks in Iraq before we toppled Saddam. NONE
Saddam was using chemical weapons against large masses of populations to wipe them out. The coalition forces in Iraq have unearthed massive graves full of bodies. Saddam “went Hitler” on those people and tried to exterminate them.
We’re not trying to exterminate the rival factions in Iraq, but bring them together to form a united government.
The terrorists don’t want this to happen, because it would reduce their ability to recruit suicide bombers and other members to fight the Great Satan and convert us to Islam.
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:43 amSaddam was using chemical weapons against large masses of populations to wipe them out.
Where these the ones we provided and stood by why they we being used? Hey Muck tell me you were out in the streets demanding the international community act against this inhuman behavior at the time so that I can take you seriously.
July 22nd, 2007 at 1:21 pmare these political elites all in cahoots with each other to keep this war going forever? the demoRats just want to run out the clock like the Repukelicans. it’s a disgrace.
nothing the democrats have planned will have the least effect on the course of this war which is being run out of the pentagon and white house. everything the House tries to pass will be stymied in the Senate. isn’t that clear enough by now or what?
i say get the hell on with the Impeachment hearings and start building your case. geez. what did we elect these rascals for anyway?? why even bother voting?????
July 24th, 2007 at 12:19 am