Kristol Rips YearlyKos, Run By A ‘Left-Wing Blogger’ Who Was ‘Not Respectable 3-4 Years Ago’
Kristol Rips YearlyKos, Run By A ‘Left-Wing Blogger’ Who Was ‘Not Respectable 3-4 Years Ago’
Today on Fox News Sunday, Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol attacked the Democratic presidential candidates for their decision to attend the YearlyKos blogger convention. He held it up as evidence that the presidential candidates have “gone left.”
“Every Democratic presidential nominee is going to the DailyKos convention,” said Kristol. “That’s the left-wing blogger who was not respectable three or four years ago. The Howard Dean kind of sponsor. Now the whole party is going to pay court to him and to left wing blogs.” Watch it:
The YearlyKos convention is independent of the blog DailyKos. So the candidates are not going to simply “pay court” to the head of DailyKos, Markos Moulitsas Zuniga. Approximately 1,500 “people from all walks of life who belong to the Netroots community” are expected at the convention this year.
Moreover, as NPR’s Juan Williams points out, what Kristol describes “as left is now center.” “The majority of the American people, 70 percent, want us out of Iraq,” noted Williams. “In fact, if you asked Iraqis, 60 some percent of Iraqis say we’re doing more harm than good in Iraq.” In a survey conducted by Pew Internet and American Life after the 2006 mid-term election, “online political activists” were said to “mirror the general population of those who are civically active.” Like the progressive blogosphere, a solid majority of Americans believe President Bush should not have commuted the sentence of his former aide, Scooter Libby.
The attendees of the YearlyKos convention haven’t “gone left.” Kristol just doesn’t understand how radically right wing he is.
Transcript:
KRISTOL: Every Democratic presidential nominee is going to the DailyKos convention. That’s the left-wing blogger who was not respectable three or four years ago. The Howard Dean kind of sponsor. Now the whole party is going to pay court to him and to left wing blogs. Not a single one is going to the Democratic Leadership Council meeting in a couple of weeks. That’s the organization that Bill Clinton was head of in the early ’90s — that was supposed to be the new, more moderate Democratic Party. The Democratic Party has gone left and it will hurt them in 2008.
WILLIAMS: What you described as left is now center. The majority of the American people, 70 percent, want us out of Iraq. In fact, if you asked Iraqis, 60 some percent of Iraqis say we’re doing more harm than good in Iraq. There’s a center here and I think what you’re saying is they’re playing somehow to the left.
In fact, what has happened is that people are frustrated and frustrated when you see this week that the administration has already started spin control on the upcoming September report. Now all of a sudden November is the new September. We’re supposed to wait until November to hear. When you say her vote is wrong, wait a second, you said this two years ago, you said this five years ago, you said it before 3600 people were dead. Oh, this is the wrong vote. When are we supposed to say enough is enough in terms of Iraq?
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July 22nd, 2007 at 11:09 amUnlike Kristol, Markos served in the U.S. armed forces. Why does Kristol hate our troops?
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:12 amYou gotta love that “not respectable 3 or 4 years ago” slam. What does he mean by that. Does he mean that he didn’t have a pretty famous blog site. If so, none of them were “respectable” 3 or 4 years ago, including Republican blog sites. If Kristol had anything on Markos Moulitsas Zuniga that showed that he was not a “respectable” human being, he would have been shouting it from the rooftops.
Kristol is a creep. And anyone who listens to him is a creep. And anyone who believes him is stupid. Kristol has a zero credibility rating on being right about anything in the last 3 or 4 years, so who is he to talk?
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:15 am“Kristol just does not understand how radically right-wing he is.”
Funny that. :)
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:15 amOops. I left off a sentence. After the “none of them were respectable” I meant to put “because none of them existed 3 or 4 years ago”.
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:16 amWhen are we supposed to say enough is enough in terms of Iraq?
Good point, Juan. I wish we could have seen Kristol’s answer to that question (assuming they didn’t end the segment with that just to give him an out.) As a founding member of PNAC, William Kristol bears a large degree of responsibility for the disaster that has befallen Iraq, as much as Cheney and Rummy and thre rest of the people actually inthe administration. He was their biggest hawk outside of government. Now he’s reduced to spinning and flailing his moronic talking points because reality has proven him wrong.
Too bad, Kristol. You had your chance to stop this invasion from happening. You could have told them that it wasn’t the right time to invade another country after Bush decided that our forein policy would be one of “pre-emptive warfare”, which, for those like Kristol who don’t know, is a violation of international law. But then, Kristol has only cared about two countries in the world: The USA and Israel. I don;t believe he recognizes any others who don’t support both of them as legitimate.
I also believe that when Kristol is on his deathbed, he’ll likely come out with a Lee Atwater-type mea culpa because he’ll begin fearing going to Hell.
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:20 amOf course this will hurt the Dems. O’reilly just called out JetBlue, and they backed down in a matter of days. What do the Dems think people will say, when they associate themselves with a hatemongering website?
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:21 amDoes this guy live on the moon? How can you think that the left is going too far? It’s going no more ‘left’ then the rest of the world. I don’t consider an idea ‘left’ if it’s worked in other countries as a better system than ours. I call that idea ’smart’ and if the ‘right’ aren’t going to see it in a ’smart’ way then they won’t get any votes.
P.S. Dear Right Wing, we no longer live in the stone age….we’re going to look at all the facts about people before we vote and you’re going to lose in the end.
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:22 amI think people should just assume that we are going to be safer if we maintain a line of thinking just like Mr. Kristol’s. So for the safety of the republic let’s call on his trial for treason. If he believes that we are on a mission from his god to take bold and unpopular stances to maintain our safety I challenge anyone not to use his rationale in calling for his immediate trial on treason charges for trying to influence the government in a reckless manor. Think about it, he has consistently felt that our national interest is a stake, literally the future existence of our republic, I think we should use the same minority position and try him as a traitor.
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:24 amWhat do the Dems think people will say, when they associate themselves with a hatemongering website?
Comment by Mr. Kalashnikov — July 22, 2007 @ 11:21 am
And just when we thought that you were doing so well!
“Hatemongering” website? Have you visited that Daily Kos, or did you mistakenly go to redstate or some other right-wing-members-only website?
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:25 amworse is the fact that Kristol is respectable, at least according to TIME.
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:26 amNice to see Juan Williams stand up to Kristol and call him on how ridiculous he is. I’m used to seeing Juan roll over and expose his belly most of his appearances on Fox. “oooooh, love me even though I’m a ‘liberal’ ”
Kristol is an idiot. Three or four years ago, most Americans seemed to think there was value to having troops in Iraq. Now? Not so much.
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:27 amComment by Jane E. Schneider — July 22, 2007 @ 11:25 am
I’m just saying that the public will be reminded of O’reilly’s words by the media, if this event is even covered.
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:27 amWhat do the Dems think people will say, when they associate themselves with a hatemongering website?
Comment by Mr. Kalashnikov — July 22, 2007 @ 11:21 am
And just when we thought that you were doing so well!
“Hatemongering†website? Have you visited that Daily Kos, or did you mistakenly go to redstate or some other right-wing-members-only website?
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
I think Polly needs a cracker, because Mr. K/Mr. P/PiPPy is just parroting Bill O’Reilly.
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:28 amMainstream Media = BRAINWASHING
Barry McCaffrey – Paid CIA Propaganda Asset:
The Purchase Of The Mainstream Media By The US Government
http://www.independent.org/newsroom/article.asp?id=324
The office of drug czar Barry McCaffrey secretly paid the television networks to propagandize its anti-drug message. According to a special report from Salon magazine, the scripts of popular television shows like “ER,†“Chicago Hope,†“Beverly Hills 90210†and many others were doctored to fit the requirements of McCaffrey’s White House Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP).
A free and democratic society cannot long tolerate extensive government manipulation of the media. What is next? Will the Department of Defense pay the networks to drum up support for more bombers? Will the CIA pay filmmakers to alter the scripts of their movies? The payments from the office of the drug czar to the networks make one wonder whether this is not already occurring.
Government tampering with the media is not new. FBI director J. Edgar Hoover planted editorials in major newspapers, had reporters and writers tailed, and collected incriminating sexual information against publishers in order to blackmail them. McCaffrey has been far more circumspect. Why blackmail a publisher when you can buy a television show?
But doesn’t everyone agree that drug use is a national problem to be fought with every means necessary? No, everyone does not agree. We are currently spending billions of dollars and putting hundreds of thousands of otherwise law-abiding citizens in prison in support of the war on drugs. McCaffrey’s purchase of altered television programs was a political act designed to sway public opinion.
It’s disturbing when the government spends more on advertising than any corporation in America. It’s worse when taxpayer dollars are spent to influence public opinion about political issues. It’s intolerable when those dollars are used to manipulate programming in ways undisclosed to the viewer. In an October 1999 speech McCaffrey described the goal of his programs as increasing the “mind share†of anti-drug messages with the help of “experts in behavior change.†Such language is inconsistent with a society in which the people are meant to control the government and not the other way around.
Barry McCaffrey should learn that the ends do not justify the means. Failing that the drug czar should be more truthfully renamed: minister for propaganda and national enlightenment.
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:29 amI think Polly needs a cracker, because Mr. K/Mr. P/PiPPy is just parroting Bill O’Reilly.
Comment by gummitch — July 22, 2007 @ 11:28 am
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:31 am———————–
Exactly, and that is why Kristol is correct about this being a bad move for the Dems. The media will refer readers/listeners/viewers to the last story featuring Kos, which will most likely be O’Reilly calling them “hatemongers.”
Kristol recognizes just how sucessful DailyKos has been. In fact I’m sure he is a jealous as hell of their sucess in the political blogisphere. And he is weeping about that sucess because he just doesn’t have it. Cry Billy, cry!
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:36 amSoo…. Republicans are allowed to “go right” but Democrats can’t “go left”? I thought the whole thing with the “right/left” word usage was about which side of the isle the parties are on.
Haven’t Dems always technically been left? And Republicans have always technically been right?
Why is Kristol bringing this up at all? Yeah… Democrats are “left” thats how it’s worked since the beginning of government!
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:37 amKristol can take his perma-smirk and shove it.
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:39 amI say let Bill Kristol badmouth the Daily Kos. All the attention might get people to check out the site for themselves.
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:40 amThey will find stories that Aren’t in the mainstream press. And they will find the “rest of the story” for all the half truths in the mainstream press.
Funny how many leads first mentioned at daily kos end up on the evening news a couple days later. I bet the mainstream press reporters check out the daily kos on a regular basis.
Comment by gummitch — July 22, 2007 @ 11:28 am
At least PiP’s new character isn’t as annoying as the old ones. Finally!
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:41 amHow and why, exactly, does this guy Kristol get onto tv news shows so often ? He’s not respectable.
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:41 amExactly, and that is why Kristol is correct about this being a bad move for the Dems. The media will refer readers/listeners/viewers to the last story featuring Kos, which will most likely be O’Reilly calling them “hatemongers.â€
Comment by Mr. Kalashnikov
Except no one but O’Reilly’s stormtrooper audience cares at all what he has to say about anything, and none of them would ever vote for a Democrat, anyway. The only media outlets who would mention O’Reilly in an article covering the conference are organs like FoxNews and the Washington Times.
If the Democratic candidates don’t make an effort to gain credibility with the Left, they have no chance in 2008 and a few of them (e.g. HRC) have a lot of ground to make up.
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:41 amAce, just like Fred Barnes and Mr. Kristol believe thru their incessant comments relating to the control of the government by a small minority, I think people should start getting used to the phrase” We are a Republic not a democracy” Once one assumes this premise then the masses are pretty much left to holding their own elected officials to a higher and more diligent level of scrutiny. Advertising dollars for anti-drug campaigns included. Let’s assume that we are controlled by the very few and let’s also assume that they in their own power schemes are now MORE responsible. Look very closely at what the President is asserting when he directs his immediate subordinates to disregard the law. Remove the Attorney General form office thru impeachment and continue from there. Congress has to prove the power to do this or we are headed for control by the likes of Mr. Kristol and whomever the President feels is on his side, not the American people but those he feels share his own singular vision.
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:41 amPerhaps Mr Kristol or one of the conservatives can remind us of their outrage expressed over the right over the appearance of the Republican presidential candidates at CPAC and the remarks by Ann Coulter.
Then O’Reilly wants to talk about hate mongerers? No wonder it’s refered to as Faux News.
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:42 amThe only people who will care about this when the Media does what you predict are the people who have participated in destroying this country. They will never vote for a Democrat anyway, so what do we care about what they think. Any reasonably intelligent adult out there will see through what they are doing and not really care.
The Democratic candidates need to appeal to the progressives out there, many of whom frequent blog sites. They know the reason why their popularity numbers are so low is because they have not confronted the Bush administration. If the Democrats would find their spine and use Inherent Contempt to make the recalcient Bush staffers testify, and then bring Articles of Impeachment against Chaney first and then Bush, Congress’ popularity ratings will soar.
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:42 amHow and why, exactly, does this guy Kristol get onto tv news shows so often ? He’s not respectable.
Comment by JJ
Technically, this isn’t “tv news”. It’s FoxNoise.
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:43 amAnd how many people will attend a conference organized by Bill Kristol? who else beside Neocons will show up there?!!
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:47 amKristol had better get as much “face time” as he can because he is the face and talking head of a failed neocon movement that is in its last gasp. That he even has to discuss Kos on FOX spells the end of him and his way of politics.
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:47 amOooh. I love it when they’re scared ;)
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:48 am12. Nice to see Juan Williams stand up to Kristol and call him on how ridiculous he is. I’m used to seeing Juan roll over and expose his belly most of his appearances on Fox. “oooooh, love me even though I’m a ‘liberal’ â€
Kristol is an idiot. Three or four years ago, most Americans seemed to think there was value to having troops in Iraq. Now? Not so much.
Comment by gummitch — July 22, 2007 @ 11:27 am
Juan Williams was on NPR yesterday suggesting Hillary couldn’t win because of Monica!!!!! Why is he bringing that up?
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:49 amDaily Kos is center? Now that is funny. Defeatist Democrats!
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:50 am“You gotta love that ‘not respectable 3 or 4 years ago’ slam. What does he mean by that?”
He pretty much told us with that “Howard Dean supporter” line. These guys constantly pushed the demonstrably false line that Dean was a far-left radical fanatic. Kos did some consulting for Dean, if I recall correctly, which means that he, too, must have been a far-left radical fanatic. It was stupid then; it’s stupid today.
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:50 amIsn’t Bush the only one stupid enough to listen to lunatic Kristol?
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:51 amJuan Williams was on NPR yesterday suggesting Hillary couldn’t win because of Monica!!!!!
They said the Same thing about Bill…right before he was reelected.
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:52 amI think the readers of DailyKos are those who are already true believers in the liberal cause. Nobody’s mind is being changed because of what happens there. they’re just “Preaching to the choir.”
And only 1500 going? In a nation of 300 million, that’s .0005% of the population. I don’t think it’ll affect the political process.
A higher percentage of people in Sacramento are going to see the AAA baseball game today.
I think it’s funny. The DailyKos crowd has anointed themselves with much importance, but they’re making a typo. It should be “impotence.”
LOL
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:52 amI think it’s safe to say that Kos has moved beyond the “first they ignore you, then they laugh at you” phase.
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:54 am“Exactly, and that is why Kristol is correct about this being a bad move for the Dems.”
Nah. The publicity just helps DailyKos, because people will go there to check it out. The radical right will find a “hate” site because that’s what they are looking for, but they wouldn’t have voted for a Democrat, anyway. Everyone else will find it to be nothing more than a partisan political site that promotes Democratic candidates.
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:54 am35. Juan Williams was on NPR yesterday suggesting Hillary couldn’t win because of Monica!!!!!
They said the Same thing about Bill…right before he was reelected.
Comment by Badger — July 22, 2007 @ 11:52 am
I agree, but I don’t understand why Juan is carrying water for the Repubs, bringing up Monica on the radio.
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:56 amYou gotta wonder when someone will ask HOW MUCH THEY GET PAID FOR THE PROPAGANDA… there is no freakin way all these neo-con mouth pieces say the same damn thing – the party slogans and attacks – unless they are getting paid to do so.
It’s pundits for hire. Journalist payola.
Say the party line – that’s what you get paid for – being a parrot for the Rove/Fox/Whoever propaganda factory
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:58 amComment by Jane E. Schneider — July 22, 2007 @ 11:25 am
I’m just saying that the public will be reminded of O’reilly’s words by the media, if this event is even covered.
Comment by Mr. Kalashnikov — July 22, 2007 @ 11:27 am
O’Leilly’s ‘word’ is worth about a cup of spit ; his core audience has an average age of SEVENTY.
Do they even know about the internet”s” , much less DK ?
They’re more concerned with having a solid bowel movement……
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:00 pm“I think the readers of DailyKos are those who are already true believers in the liberal cause.”
For the most part, this is true. Nor does the site pretend otherwise. Kos has been quite open that this is a partisan Democrat site. Did you have a point to make?
“Nobody’s mind is being changed because of what happens there. they’re just ‘Preaching to the choir.’”
That’s trivially true of every partisan site on the net, including sites like HughHewitt.com, InstaPundit.com, FreeRepublic.com, RedState.org, LittleGreenFootballs.com, etc. Again, did you have a point to make?
“And only 1500 going?”
1500 regular Americans paying their own way to fly to a political event, in only the second year of that event and in a non-election year? That’s a pretty damn big “only.”
“In a nation of 300 million, that’s .0005% of the population. I don’t think it’ll affect the political process.”
DailyKos has more “viewers” than do most individual magazines, newspapers, and political hosts. And these are the most partisan, the most active voters. If they didn’t affect the political process, both in terms of influence and fundraising, you wouldn’t see the Democratic politicians there.
“I think it’s funny. The DailyKos crowd has anointed themselves with much importance, but they’re making a typo. It should be ‘impotence.’”
You keep telling yourself that if you want.
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:00 pmisn’t kristol a think tank guy that bush pays to come up with stuff like…”if we don’t fight them there the’ll follow us here” and “we’re making significant progress”…and “we’ll smoke bin laden out of his hole…” – and hasn’t this guy been so wrong about so much for so long that you wonder what the f**k the msm is doing giving this c*nt air time at all??? – unless it’s an ongoing plan to keep everyone living in fear and when people get scared,the only guy anyone can rely on is the cheney-in-bush??? – am i wrong?
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:01 pm“What do the Dems think people will say, when they associate themselves with a hatemongering website?”
LOL… When and if “the Dems” do this, please let us know, won’t you?
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:02 pm“The YearlyKos convention is independent of the blog DailyKos.”
I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that the propagandists at Think Progress still write this kind of stuff without breaking a sweat. How much does Kos and DailyKos have to be involved with YearlyKos for Think Progress to say that they aren’t “independent”?
The Democrats haven’t “gone left”. They are just pandering. All you liberals are suckers for believing that the Democrats actually mean and believe the things they are saying about Iraq. It’s all about winning domestic politics, and little to do with the truth.
That’s why I’ve stopped voting for Democrats – because they’re selling out the nation’s national interests and the troops for partisan political gain.
If Bush lied about Iraq, the Democrats were lying right along with him. Only partisan dupes wouldn’t know better than that.
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:04 pmBloody Bill chickenhawk Kristol. Mitt “coward” Romney. George dry drunk Bush. I’m an ex Republican and what a friggin embarrasment.
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:06 pmNah. The publicity just helps DailyKos, because people will go there to check it out.
Well, that’s true. At least Kos will get some publicity.
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:09 pmComment by DreamCrusher
Keep telling yourself that. Maybe someday you’ll convince someone.
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:09 pm“The YearlyKos convention is independent of the blog DailyKos.â€
This the libs believe, but:
The “people with the same ideology attacked us on 9-11 as attack the troops in Iraq todayâ€, this they ridicule.
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:11 pmI think the first thing I’d do if i was the newly elected President representing the Democrats I’d declare, David Addington, John Yoo, Alberto Gonzales and everyone from the PNAC to be enemy combatants. After all I’d be acting in good faith to see that the safety of the Republic’s very existence would be maintained, wouldn’t I ? Let that one sink in for a while folks…….
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:12 pm“… because they’re selling out the nation’s national interests and the troops for partisan political gain.”
And republicans are selling them out for monetary gain. Duke Cunningham, c’mon down!
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:12 pmThat’s why I’ve stopped voting for Democrats – because they’re selling out the nation’s national interests and the troops for partisan political gain.
Comment by DreamCrusher — July 22, 2007 @ 12:04 pm
As opposed to the Chimpy administration and the rest of the horseshit GOP , who run on party platforms that are completely erroneous and serve only to reveal the GOP’s inherent hypocrisy and dishonesty ?
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:13 pm#50
Which is precisely why you will not be.
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:14 pm“The ‘people with the same ideology attacked us on 9-11 as attack the troops in Iraq today’, this they ridicule.”
I have no opinion on the first statement, but since this statement is demonstrably false, I’m not quite sure what you think you’re “proving.”
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:14 pmDaily Kos is center? Now that is funny. Defeatist Democrats!
Comment by veritas — July 22, 2007 @ 11:50 am
Coming from the Retarded Republicans crowd , that means very little ……
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:14 pmWilliam Kristol, grandson of Irving Kristol, dubbed grandfather of neocon fascism is calling someone else “not credible”? Is that a case of living in a glass house and throwing stones or what???
William Kristol is part of the problem americans are facing in this constitutional crisis. He is a card-carrying member of PNAC and one of the “architects” of the Iraq War. He is guilty of crimes against humanity – war crimes tribunal – can’t wait until the Hague is finished with these thugs.
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:15 pmThe majority of people in this country do not listen or watch O’Really. People can see through his nonsense. If they were allowed to include the ratings of The Daily Show and Colbert, O’Really and his moronic colleague, Sean Hannity would be dead last in the sweep.
I know this because I spoke to the individual who is in charge of compiling the ratings for TV and he said that FNC, CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC and NBC do not consider TDS or Colbert in the same category of programming.
Concerning Kristol, when was he correct about anything? Another empty suit.
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:15 pmI see I’ve been NAME JACKED! that was the faux veritas, folks! If it sounds like a troll, posts like a troll, and drivels like a troll, it’s faux veritas and not me. Thanks, TP for not checking IP addresses and allowing this name jacking AGAIN!
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:16 pm“Daily Kos is center?”
Nope, that’s not what Williams said. He is simply pointing out the undeniable truth that when it comes to Iraq, the Kos position is, in fact, the “center” position and it’s Kristol who is part of a radical minority fringe.
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:16 pmComment by MCMetal
That’s not veritas. It’s a name-stealing troll.
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:16 pmI suppose that I should be flattered that someone is attempting to name jack me??
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:16 pmThen demonstrate it PaulB…
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:17 pmTP, number 55 is a hoax! It wasn’t me!
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:17 pmThanks, Barfly. Anyone that knows me would have to see that that is definitely not my posting style.
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:18 pmComment by veritas
You’re in the big leagues now. Soon, you’ll have your own bubble-gum card…
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:18 pmNow I’m leaving for a few hours so if somepost posts here as “Veritas” it definitely is a troll! I’ll catch everyone later! Keep defeating the trolls – they’re pure slime.
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:19 pm#50
Which is precisely why you will not be.
Comment by r — July 22, 2007 @ 12:14 pm
Coming from someone that is part of the group that is made up of the most stupid and gullible currently living Americans , 25% of our population , who have gotten every single prediction monumentally wrong for over 6 years……
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:20 pm“The YearlyKos convention is independent of the blog DailyKos.â€
This the libs believe, but:
The “people with the same ideology attacked us on 9-11 as attack the troops in Iraq todayâ€, this they ridicule.
Comment by r
YearlyKos was organized by people who read and post to DailyKos but not by the founders of the blog. Kos himself is not an organizer. So, yes, it’s independent of DailyKos.
If a bunch of people posting on a Harley-Davidson blog decided to organize a convention and call themselves independent of H-D, even if H-D contributed a bunch of goodies for the event, no one would question that assessment for a minute.
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:20 pmBesides, although I will criticize Dems when I beieve they are wrong, I would never call them defeatists. This troll has no clue how to mimic me, that’s clear. I’m a democrat-turned-unaffiliated and would never support Repuke-lican tactics or make complimentary Repuke comments when it’s clear that they are behaving like criminals.
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:20 pmI suppose that I should be flattered that someone is attempting to name jack me??
Comment by veritas — July 22, 2007 @ 12:16 pm
Probably taking advantage of your announced absence due to having guests.
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:21 pmR, look if I was elected as President couldn’t I, just based on the sheer goodness of my own intuition and will, decide that those gentleman had tried to do reprehensible and sustained damage to our fine nation? Isn’t that all that is necessary for me to declare someone an enemy combatant, regardless of what the majority of the citizenry thought?
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:21 pmThanks, Barfly. I guess the trolls here are afraid of what I have to say that they want to hijack my name and try to spin things differently. They are demented idiots and continue to show their room temperature IQ and dysfunctional brain activity.
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:22 pmComment by MCMetal
That’s not veritas. It’s a name-stealing troll.
Comment by barfly — July 22, 2007 @ 12:16 pm
I didn’t name anyone specifically ; I kind of figured it was a GOP backing coward (wow , how repetitive is that?) , stealing someone elses posting name…..
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:22 pmI think Polly needs a cracker, because Mr. K/Mr. P/PiPPy is just parroting Bill O’Reilly.
Comment by gummitch — July 22, 2007 @ 11:28 am
Which would be a shame, really, because I happen to believe that he is WAY smarter than O’Reilly.
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:23 pmCatch all my buddies, later. Watch for the veritas posts – clearly, it will be a sicko troll.
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:23 pmDream Crusher: What planet are your living on? Bush/Cheney/Rumsfield did nothing for the troops. They just wanted bodies on the ground in Iraq and they did nothing to provide these people with the proper armor, those who have been terribly wounded have been given hideous care, thousands who have PTSD have been denied treatment because your heroes (who have never been in a war) have been trying to do this on the cheap. To say nothing, of having their tours extended ad nauseum. Some people are on their 5th deployment.
So run along and idolize your heroes–but before you shoot off missives to the rest of us, learn to be better informed. And sweetie pie, you ain’t going to learn it on Fox.
Kristol should be in Guantannamo Bay.
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:23 pmP.S. They lack even a shred of creativity when they have to steal someone else’s moniker as their own. How sad!
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:23 pmConcerning Kristol, when was he correct about anything? Another empty suit.
Comment by tanglewood — July 22, 2007 @ 12:15 pm
Empty suit, full diaper.
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:24 pmDe nada, veritas.
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:24 pmBarfly: Why don’t you guys have some fun with the trolls and name jack them?? Then TP will finally have to do something about it.
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:25 pmLater….barfly!
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:25 pmI think it’s funny. The DailyKos crowd has anointed themselves with much importance, but they’re making a typo. It should be “impotence.â€
LOL
Comment by muckdog
No mudpuppy, I think Kristol’s the guy elevating the importance of DailyKos.
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:25 pmanyone to the left of bill kristol in his warped mind is “far left”.
that includes everyone on earth, since bill kristol is so far right he has fallen off the scale.
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:26 pmBarfly: Why don’t you guys have some fun with the trolls and name jack them?? Then TP will finally have to do something about it.
Comment by veritas — July 22, 2007 @ 12:25 pm
To quote the late great George Harrison, “It’s been done.”
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:27 pm“No mudpuppy, I think Kristol’s the guy elevating the importance of DailyKos”
Yup. If DK was truly “impotent,” then Kristol and O’Reilly wouldn’t be attacking it as vehemently as they do. As Gandhi noted:
“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win“
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:27 pmComment by veritas
Eeeuuuwww! That stuff doesn’t wash off easily – you have to use a scotch-brite pad, and plenty of elbow grease! Thanks, but I think I’ll keep my epidermis.
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:28 pmBill Kristol , is the editor of The Weakly Substandard ; a publication that has all the accuracy and respect of the National Enquirer.
For that effeminate little weasel to claim something is “not respectable” is akin to Chimpy McFlightsuit claiming someone is not very bright……
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:29 pmChimpy McFlightsuit
Ha.
That’s a good one.
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:30 pmChimpy McFlightsuit
Ha.
That’s a good one.
Comment by Zero in — July 22, 2007 @ 12:30 pm
George W Bushelofcocaine is another catchy one….
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:31 pmI see I’ve been NAME JACKED! that was the faux veritas, folks! If it sounds like a troll, posts like a troll, and drivels like a troll, it’s faux veritas and not me. Thanks, TP for not checking IP addresses and allowing this name jacking AGAIN!
Comment by veritas
Not to worry. I knew it was a namejacking immediately and I’m sure all the regulars here did too.
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:33 pmOnce again, Kristol shows what he is…another thug bought and paid for by the GWB administration.
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:35 pmO/T: I went over to Atrios just now, and there are no postings for today. Does anyone know whats up?
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:37 pmPart of what this blog is doing you can see, what you do not see is the fundamentals of GEB.
The man runnning this blog is running a number of projects.
One of which is GEB. Using already avalible green tech, he will be building energy bank around the world, using his own money and with some private backers, these farms/banks will provide freen clean green energy.
He is starting with a small country and moving up steadily, looking to change how things are in a global stage.
He’s not looking to pitch a theoretical idea, as he’s not asking people for money, he is simply doing it.
His basis is this.
Energy and water should be free for everyone, why should this be a problem.
Having these two fundamentals will make economies change slightly but keep capitalism, as it only affect the energy sector.
This is cause large unemployment, but make a dynamic shift in many areas.
I thik this is a very good project which deserves some note.
Ken
http://whireorchid.wordpress.com
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:37 pmNot to worry. I knew it was a namejacking immediately and I’m sure all the regulars here did too.
Comment by shane — July 22, 2007 @ 12:33 pm
Hi, shane! Yup, we all know that veritas puts a lot more effort into all of her posts and wouldn’t do a drive-by like that, even if she does have guests to attend to. Nor would she ever, in a million years, use the phrase “defeatist Democrats”!
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:38 pmWhen you don’t have a leg to stand on, it seems the entire world is making fun of paraplegics.
And for those who failed math: “CENTRIST” means “MIDDLE” means MAJORITY. You think the majority is some kind of fringe group because you either don’t know how or simply refuse to count. It’s part and parcel of the delusion, I understand. But really, sometimes it’s just laughable it’s so out of touch with reality.
Like count seven people out of ten want just what Kos wants: get us the hell out of Iraq. Like the six out of ten want health care despite the smear campaign of the now-desperate for-profit health insurance syndicate.
I’ll spare doing your homework assignment for you — it’s all out there, go look it up, if you dare. Issue after issue, from importing cheap labor to lopsided trade policies to a deteriorating food supply to record profits for the only industry ever whose profits increase when their cost of raw materials goes up — these and all the other issues confronting a middle class who, thanks to the policies since Reagan, is fearful they will be the first generation to hand a lesser standard of living to their heirs — we’re all getting tired of this bullsh!t.
So even a prayer to the great big invisible man who lives in the sky who holds conversations with your pet chimpanzee won’t deliver you from the wrath of the same numbers you deny to yourself. So go right ahead and play the refs as loudly and as frequently as you want. Best you stay deluded until the election is over.
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:43 pmHi Jane – nothing is beneath the trolls but they don’t know how rightwing they are so when they namejack a regular poster they out themselves immediately with the bias in their words.
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:43 pm#78 tanglewood:
[Concerning Kristol, when he was correct about anything. Another empty suit..]
———————————
You are right about that, check what David Corn wrote about him..@ davidcorn.com
Scroll down and read on July 17, 2007..
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:45 pm‘Bill Kristol, wrong again’…
Ken, did you mean to post here?
And what is GEB? God of the Earth?
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:46 pmThuglicks are the opitomy of irrational, nonsensical, self-contradicting, erroneous (I defy you to name a single thing, of substance, that Bloody Kristol was correct about regarding Iraq), hypocritical, bloviating, self-righteous, incompetent hackery and blathering gibberish. Why the fu*k are they even given power or a platform form which to spout their stupidity? That is the fundamental mystery that confounds me. Thuglicks are so undeserving of power, how do they get any, much less, a lot?
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:49 pmOf course one of the primary ways NRO and Weekly Standard websites maintain the illusion of relevance is by not having forums, where they would be exposed.
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:51 pmFOX should be shut down. It’s illegal for the gov’t to propagandize to it’s citizens.
Fox should be prosecuted for inciting the nation to violence in the build-up to our invasion of Iraq.
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:54 pmExcellent point Guido. As Orally himself would label them, “COWARDS!”.
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:55 pmI’m watching Meet the Press, and it’s quite startling; Bob Woodward is challenging Bobo Brooks about an assertion Brooks made: that if we were to leave Iraq, the deaths of Iraqis would be ten thousand or more. Woodward said, we can’t know what the outcome would be, and the administration has been consistently wrong, so where did Brooks get his numbers? Brooks first laid it off on another journalist – and then admitted he had just pulled the numbers out of the air.
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:57 pmMake that “ten thousand or more per month.”
July 22nd, 2007 at 12:58 pmHow come Juan hasn’t dopeslapped this lame ass yet. I used to think that stupid W grin was the most annoying of all facial features. What is with that stupid pompous grin Kristol has permantly planted upon his boorish face?
July 22nd, 2007 at 1:01 pmKos, A former serviceman, “Not respectable 3-4 years ago” ???????? Where the fu*k does Bloody William get off?!?! Kos should kick him right in the balls for unprovokedly slandering him that way. William Krystol HATES the troops. Fu*k the has-never-been-respectable William Bloody Krystol.
BTW, good job, Juan Williams, I would have loved to see Bloody’s futile attempt to respond. Our whole thing has been setting up a democracy in Iraq. In a democracy, majority rules. The *majority* of Iraqi’s want us out. The Iraqi parliament voted for us to get out. What the fu*k are we still doing there. “When is enough, enough?”
July 22nd, 2007 at 1:03 pmhow can we stop these leftwing hate sites
July 22nd, 2007 at 1:04 pm“What do the Dems think people will say, when they associate themselves with a hatemongering website?”
A very interesting comment coming from someone who saw fit to name himself after the Russian gun designer whose weapons have killed thousands of American soldiers over the last 40 years. Mr. Kalashnikov, why do you hate our troops?
July 22nd, 2007 at 1:05 pmjust got here… my fist thought happens to be the first comment:
If it’s Sunday, it’s ‘Bill Kristol Lying on Fox’ day!
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — July 22, 2007 @ 11:09 am
at least THIS kristol-dropping is especially relavent and noteworthy…
his cronies are trying REAL hard to take down NET NEUTRALITY…
the netroots scare the shite outta these guys…
stay on top of it!
July 22nd, 2007 at 1:06 pm…
Comment by bluestatedon — July 22, 2007 @ 1:05 pm
Hey man, it’s just a name.
July 22nd, 2007 at 1:06 pmBill Kristol wasn’t respectable 3 years ago, and he still isn’t respectable.
Despicable maybe.
But not respectable.
July 22nd, 2007 at 1:08 pmhow can we stop these leftwing hate sites
Comment by crimedog — July 22, 2007 @ 1:04 pm
Try pissing on a hydrant but be sure to sniff first, walk in a little circle, and lick yourself after
July 22nd, 2007 at 1:12 pmWhy does TP continue to give credence to anything uttered by Kristol by reprinting his remarks in here? We all know he’s a horse’s Cheney and we all know he has never been correct on a single thing he’s said about Iraqnam so why do you continue to give him a theater in here? I am much more interested in how the nation is responding to “Sicko” than I am to the weekly drivel that Kristol spews on Faux Noise.
July 22nd, 2007 at 1:18 pmhow can we stop these leftwing hate sites
Comment by crimedog — July 22, 2007 @ 1:04 pm
Make your emperor to stop killing people for the glory of oil treasure, that might be a good place to start. Hate, like anger, are sometimes warranted and necessary emotions. Evolutionary tools that allow us to deal appropriately with tyrannical whores like your god-king and his organized crime family.
And while your at it, you can take your hate preaching ministers, pundits, and that thing referred to as Man-Coulter and whip them once for each hateful thing that has ever flow out of their mouths. Of course, they would not survive that many lashings so maybe you should just resort to some ‘enhanced interrogation techniques’.
July 22nd, 2007 at 1:18 pmEdited for clarity.
how can we stop these leftwing hate sites
Comment by crimedog — July 22, 2007 @ 1:04 pm
Make your emperor stop killing people for the glory of oil treasure, that might be a good place to start. Hate, like anger, is sometime a warranted and necessary emotion. Evolutionary tools that allow us to deal appropriately with tyrannical whores like your god-king and his organized crime family.
And while your at it, you can take your hate preaching ministers, pundits, and that thing referred to as Man-Coulter and whip them once for each hateful thing that has ever flown out of their mouths. Of course, they would not survive that many lashings so maybe you should just resort to some ‘enhanced interrogation techniques’.
July 22nd, 2007 at 1:20 pmComment by JoeySoCal — July 22, 2007 @ 1:20 pm
I understood, and agreed with, your comment the first time around. Hey, what’s a few typos among friends? :)
July 22nd, 2007 at 1:34 pmThanks Jane.
I suppose my greater concern lies in the competence/comprehension of the meak minded trolls. You know they are always looking for the irrelevant detail to distract from the substance and the point. I make an effort to deny them that.
BTW, I just caught this on DU. It’s really great.
July 22nd, 2007 at 1:44 pm“How to Create an Angry American”
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385×42587
Hey man, it’s just a name.
Comment by Mr. Kalashnikov
no, it isn’t … which is why you chose it…
just, your character is really not up to the reputation…
you should be true to yourself…
July 22nd, 2007 at 1:58 pmComment by JoeySoCal — July 22, 2007 @ 1:44 pm
Thanks so much for the link. I watched the video, and I’m still teary-eyed. I wanted to add a comment, so I registered there, but apparently Comcast has a 24-hour waiting period. (Shit, I’m not trying to buy a gun or anything!) Thanks again for sending me there.
July 22nd, 2007 at 2:03 pmHow was Kos not respectable 3-4 years ago, according to Kristol Meth? Unlike Billy Boy, Mr. Zuniga served in the Army.
July 22nd, 2007 at 2:06 pmme too, joey, jane…
July 22nd, 2007 at 2:07 pmthank you!
Kristol is a lying moron, everyone knows that. I think it pisses me off more that he still gets featured on liberal and moderate sites – as if showing everyone what they already know (That kristol is a lying moron) is going to stop Kristol from being a lying moron.
July 22nd, 2007 at 2:13 pmComment by katy — July 22, 2007 @ 2:07 pm
Katy, and JoeySoCal, seeing the flag-draped coffins like that simply confirmed to me exactly why BushCo DOESN’T want them seen–they’d lose some, if not all of the last 28%ers. How can we demand that BushCo lift the ban on coverage of the heroes’ last homecoming?
July 22nd, 2007 at 2:15 pmWhat exactly about Mr. Kristol, is “respectable?”
July 22nd, 2007 at 2:20 pmHoward Dean is the Democratic Nation Committee Chair. According to Ex-Pundit Bill (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/17/AR2007071701456.html) , Markos Moulitsas and all of Yearly Kos are not respectable because Markos supported Howard Dean instead of John Kerry in the 2004 presidential election.
Fox News is a garbage heap, and Kristol should STFU.
July 22nd, 2007 at 2:22 pmTHE PERMA-SMIRK OF BILL KRISTOL IS THE RESULT OF KISSING CHIMPY McFLIGHTSUITS ASS. I’M SURPRISED THEY NEEDED A COLONOSCOPY. FROM WHERE KRISTOL IS, HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SEE EVERYTHING VERY CLEARLY.
July 22nd, 2007 at 2:27 pm“The attendees of the YearlyKos convention haven’t “gone left.†Kristol just doesn’t understand how radically right wing he is.”
Oh, I’m certain Kristol realizes just how radically right-wing he is. He simply hopes that the *regular* conservatives who listen to him don’t realize that fact. Papa Irving indoctrinated him into the radical right-wing neoconservative philosophy that he founded after years of being a radical Trotskyist.
July 22nd, 2007 at 2:46 pmThis is simply a manifestation of how the neocon movement operates. The movement emulates the old Soviet propaganda model filtered through Orwell. Make a statement of reasonable-sounding principles, then convince people of their benefits. When people begin accepting those principles, tweak the original to being slightly more radical/reactionary and accuse opponents of being “out of step with the mainstream”. As more people unwittingly accept the newer principles, tweak them again to be even more radical/reactionary so that when people reject the new principles as “too far”, then issue a new “more reasonable-sounding” set of principles (your *real* goal) which the people are more willing to accept, almost without questions. (From the outset, the neocon movement knew it couldn’t list the real goals because the movement would have been quite rightly rejected out of hand, so the need for the very subtle maneuvering. The neocons want as radical a change as their old Communist mentor-heroes but decided to play it slow–standard conservative philosophy only accepts a very slow process of change–and in this way, they could co-opt regular conservatives, especially by playing on the conservatives’ fears of radical changes to society that liberals espoused and supported.
I don’t like Kristol and I don’t like Kos. They’re both hatemongerers.
July 22nd, 2007 at 3:28 pmI myself have personally heard the Vice President of the United States on more than one occasion talking on air with one Rush Limbaugh, purveyor of concepts such as stereotypically racist parody bits and the label “Feminazis.” I suppose I might have missed it, but I don’t recall Bill Kristol’s raising the alarm.
July 22nd, 2007 at 3:44 pmWhat a smug sack of shit.
July 22nd, 2007 at 3:57 pmComment by daveinboca
And you’re a pinhead.
Next.
July 22nd, 2007 at 4:14 pmHey man, it’s just a name.
Comment by Mr. Kalashnikov
And you’re just a coward.
July 22nd, 2007 at 4:16 pmKristol seems to be gunning for being the last rat to leave the sinking ship of Bush cronies.
July 22nd, 2007 at 4:19 pmKristol seems to be gunning for being the last rat to leave the sinking ship of Bush cronies.
Comment by ff11 — July 22, 2007 @ 4:19 pm
Here’s hoping he’s not in time.
Excuse me moment while I ponder that possibility.
:)
Yeah, that’s the ticket.
July 22nd, 2007 at 4:52 pmMust See TV!
July 22nd, 2007 at 4:53 pmWow!
July 22nd, 2007 at 5:57 pmThe nutroots have arrived…at a Fox News comment section.
Play nice, you Krazy Kos Kidz.
Comment by no2liberals — July 22, 2007 @ 5:57 pm
Shove it, a$$wipe.
July 22nd, 2007 at 8:00 pmPerhaps a Third World solution…
…to the Kristol, Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, Rove et al problem…
…might be in order…
July 22nd, 2007 at 8:09 pmBk has so much oil in his head it comes dripping from his mouth and sounds like words.
July 22nd, 2007 at 8:18 pmHarmless except they can stain and may lead to sewage clogs from grease buildup mixed with his gangs other solid waste.
What do you know? It’s Sunday and Kristol got something else wrong again.
July 22nd, 2007 at 8:22 pmI do not understand how Juan Williams or anyone in a room with William The Bloody From Hell is able to restrain themselves from leaping across the table and pounding a wooden stake into its heart.
July 22nd, 2007 at 8:33 pmComment by Buffy #141
…Fox…
…is REAL…
…theater…
…and its pundits…
…merely “players”…
July 22nd, 2007 at 8:38 pmShove it, a$$wipe.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
Now, Jane… what did we say about cuss words?
July 22nd, 2007 at 8:42 pmGood Lord, so this is where all the dirty liberal hang out. I thought I smelled something……get ready for another loss in 2008. What am I saying, you should be ready since your party is just so good at it….
Idiot leftists.
July 22nd, 2007 at 9:18 pmComment by Pete_Bondurant — July 22, 2007 @ 9:18 pm
So, are you a new troll here or an old troll with a new name? I hope you are new! The regulars are soooo bad. They need to go back to the minors over at Little Green Footfungus and learn something.
I’m taking a survey in case you want to know.
July 22nd, 2007 at 9:24 pmComment by Merlin — July 22, 2007 @ 9:24 pm
give em a break they still control am radio
July 22nd, 2007 at 9:45 pmThose in support of KOS seem passionate. I hope the passion will survive the truth as it unfolds over the next 8-10 years. You may believe that everyone who is of another persuasion is an idiot but to change their mind requires facts and reasoning. Name calling achieves nothing. Criticism without facts achieves nothing. You may only convince your readers that you are afraid of fact based discussion and are incapable of reasoned debate. Just to be clear, I don’t agree with all that Kristol or Williams say, but I don’t consider either one a fool.
July 22nd, 2007 at 9:50 pmCriticism without facts achieves nothing. You may only convince your readers that you are afraid of fact based discussion and are incapable of reasoned debate. Just to be clear, I don’t agree with all that Kristol or Williams say, but I don’t consider either one a fool.
Comment by walter
And when presented with facts, some refuse to accept truth. Your post would be better directed towards a rightwing site, where debate isn’t allowed.
July 22nd, 2007 at 10:26 pm#148 Comment by barfly — July 22, 2007 @ 10:26 pm
And when presented with facts, some refuse to accept truth. Your post would be better directed towards a rightwing site, where debate isn’t allowed.
Walter, Under normal times, I would agree with you. However these are not normal times. When you have a president who writes signing statements saying that he will not abide by laws passed by Congress unless he agrees with them, you can no longer reason and discuss.
That is the cause of the anger and yes, passion you feel from Progressives. It is palpable and based upon reality.
Regarding trolls:
The trolls (look up “internet trolls” in Wiki) come, not to discuss, but to inflame, disrupt and ruin the thread so nothing worthwhile can be accomplished. Thus the schoolyard word brawls that occur. When, rarely, the trolls do not show up, the threads are productive and a joy to be a part of.
So, it is not a difference of opinion that is the problem. That is invited here as barfly says above.
Those in support of KOS seem passionate.
Have you been to the kos site and spent time reading, not only the opinion pieces, but the comments? As opposed to here on TP, the trolls are monitored out of existance by the commentors, not the site. What you find is powerful and deeply passionate people who are well informed and really discuss the topic at hand.
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:11 pmYeah, well, Markos served his country in the army. That is a whole lot more tthat can be said about the chickenhawk warmonger Bill Kristol. Kristol is a cowardly piece of trash who would defecate his pants the first time he would be sent on patrol.
When asked why he was not serving in Iraq, the chickenhawk asked:”Why should I? Why should I?”
Because, asswipe, if you push for other people to be killed and maimed in the occupation of Iraq, you should have the decency to put your own butt on the line.
But of course, Kristol is such a coward, a liar, and a hypocrite, that he could not possibly bring himself to serve. In fact, he is a traitor to all our soldiers who are dying and being maimed in Bush’s folly.
Yellow, traitorous, trash like Kristol should be hung from the nearest lampost.
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:15 pmConsidering Mr. K’s track record, I’d be far more concerned if he had nice things to say about KOS.
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:28 pmJuan is the man.
July 22nd, 2007 at 11:51 pmI saw Kos, with his wife and kid, on the street in Berkeley a few years ago. Quite the adorable, nice looking young family there.
The wingnuts might try to smear him as the anti-christ, but any sane person will look at him and come away with the impression that he’s actually very intelligent and charismatic.
At least 40% of people are sane.
July 23rd, 2007 at 12:22 am“Now, Jane… what did we say about cuss words?”
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 22, 2007 @ 8:42 pm
Hmmm, after seeing your discussion with ‘r’ on the other thread, I just assumed that you had done a little backsliding yourself. ;-) Besides, I’m not the one who Katy was chastising, so I didn’t make any promises – plus, I’d been behaving MOST of the day, right?
July 23rd, 2007 at 12:33 amWilliam Kristol was not respectable 3 or 4 years ago either, and he is a lot less respectable now.
Why should anyone listen to the mad rantings of the crowd that has been so wrong so consistently for the past four years? What makes these fools think they have any respectability or credibility?
William Kristol: Typical neo-con, typically impervious to reality.
July 23rd, 2007 at 1:33 amPlease God..just take mr kristol home…..he’s absolutely part of the problem here on earth. Amen.
July 23rd, 2007 at 2:06 am“Why should anyone listen to the mad rantings of the crowd that has been so wrong so consistently for the past four years? What makes these fools think they have any respectability or credibility?”
Comment by Gregor Samsa — July 23, 2007 @ 1:33 am
That’s why Kristol’s usually only on Fux Noose these days.
July 23rd, 2007 at 2:21 am#157 Comment by Jane E. Schneider — July 23, 2007 @ 2:21 am
That’s why Kristol’s usually only on Fux Noose these days.
Yes, I agree. The field is narrowing.
I often think of how Sadaam ranted his rubbish at his trial in utter denial of the reality all around him. The neocons are entering that water, I feel, and will sound more out of it as time goes on. They will resort to stronger and harsher salvations, (like invading Iran or more involvement with God-Bush) to justify and prove they are right and the world is wrong.
July 23rd, 2007 at 2:45 amWe not only have to drown these rats politically as they try to flee the Ship of State, we have to see that they stay drowned, and not allow them to resurface as Elliott Abrams has. They need to be outed and shown to be the rats they are every time they surface.
That’s why Kristol’s usually only on Fux Noose these days.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — July 23, 2007 @ 2:21 am
Yes, but Mr. Rightwing/Always-Been-Wrong was given a column in “Time.” BARTLEBEE (July 22, 2007 @ 1:08 pm) was generous in describing Broken-Kristol-Ball as “Despicable maybe. But not respectable.” I would take this further by writing “Definitely despicable and never respectable.”
July 23rd, 2007 at 2:57 am“They need to be outed and shown to be the rats they are every time they surface.”
Comment by Merlin — July 23, 2007 @ 2:45 am
Just like “Whack-a-Mole”!
July 23rd, 2007 at 2:58 am#159 Comment by Lora — July 23, 2007 @ 2:57 am
Yes, but Mr. Rightwing/Always-Been-Wrong was given a column in “Time.â€
I would expect no less from Time. It is trash, and not some great pillar of Centrism, as it is sometimes seen. (Time Man of the Year, etc. indeed!)
July 23rd, 2007 at 3:05 amSadly he is afforded exposure, and to the people not following reality he can appear as a strong and knowledge pundit.
Comment by Lora — July 23, 2007 @ 2:57 am
I’m with Merlin as far as Time goes (the magazine, not Merlin the Wizard living backwards in time.) I’ve always understood Time to be more right-of-center. But you’re right, whenever Kristol and his ilk are given a soapbox, there’ll be idiots out there who’ll believe the lies they tell. Maybe we should start praying with Sandy? ;-)
I’m off to bed – goodnight, Lora (and Merlin, though I already said goodnight to you on the other thread!)
July 23rd, 2007 at 3:18 amKristol just doesn’t understand how radically right wing he is.
—————-
That’s correct but one of the tactics of these gasbags and pious frauds is to declare that everyone to the left of them is “far left, extreme left, radical left.” In some of their more extreme moments, we are “Evil”
http://radamisto.blogspot.com/2007/04/paranoid-style-on-display.html
July 23rd, 2007 at 3:44 amKristol’s comment is ironic considering that he himself is neither respectable nor has he ever been particularly right about much
July 23rd, 2007 at 5:50 amYou just can’t fix stupid.
July 23rd, 2007 at 6:57 amHow could someone whose policy ideas have not only failed but cost the US, the Iraqi’s and the rest of middle east so much blood, treasure and turmoil even get a spot on the television to continue uttering his failed policies?
Could it be Cronysim or elitism?
If I was this inept or incompetent, I would be out of a job.
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:41 am“The YearlyKos convention is independent of the blog DailyKos….”
So saith the lead article….
What I find so humourous about this is how the left always gets in such a hurry to dis-associate itself from itself when the tides of public opinion swing the “wrong” way for them. Come on, people! Embrace your radicalism!! Stand tall!! Why try to hide it?
Imagine any Presidential candidate showing up at a KKK convention and folks saying “awwwh, shucks, it’s ok..that convention is independent of the various KKK websites on the net..” It simply isn’t going to happen.
JetBlue wouldn’t have run scared if they didin’t have reason to. If you “.001 percenters” had even close to a majority, you should have been calling JetBlue and supporting them in droves. Every seat on a JetBlue plane should have been filled with folks proudly cackling their hatred of Dubya from now ’till Kingdom Come. In short, every flight could have been a miniature KOS convention!!!
What actually happened? The majority DID speak. Regular Americans instantly stood up and rejected JetBlue’s support of the radical left, and JetBlue folded their hand.
Which, for JetBlue, was a wise business move. Better to fold a losing hand, than lose the whole farm.
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:30 amComment by Jane E. Schneider — July 23, 2007 @ 3:18 am
Good morning, Jane, Wayne, and kitties.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:15 amWell, you, I and some other posters are aware that “Time” is hardly a liberal magazine. But probably some or even many rightwingers think it is. In any case, I thought “Time” had a bit more respectability than Faux News, however, by hiring Broken-Kristol-Ball, it is losing even that.
Imagine any Presidential candidate showing up at a KKK convention and folks saying “awwwh, shucks, it’s ok..that convention is independent of the various KKK websites on the net..â€
If you “.001 percenters†had even close to a majority,
comment by Big Foot-in-the-Mouth
David Duke, former Grand Wizard of the KKK , has run for office more than once as a Rethuglican.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:24 amI challenge you to prove your “.001 percenters” statistic. Since you apparently haven’t noticed, the Democrats have majorities in both houses of Congress now, with not even one Dem incumbent losing in the November 2006 election.
The YearlyKos convention is independent of the blog DailyKos.
There’s a man who doesn’t mind lying in public.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:42 am“He held it up as evidence that the presidential candidates have “gone left.—
That’s a GOOD thing!
July 23rd, 2007 at 11:42 amThere’s a man who doesn’t mind lying in public.
Comment by Kilo — July 23, 2007 @ 10:42 am
It sounds as if you mean George W. Bush or Dick Cheney.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:33 pmWho I’m sure you’re happy TP is now imitating.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:51 pmWho(SIC) I’m sure you’re happy TP is now imitating.
Comment by Kilo — July 23, 2007 @ 7:51 pm
Thank you for admitting that Dumbya and Dickhead are liars.
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:28 pmBut don’t assume anything about me, buddy. I don’t liars from either side of the aisle.
No assumption involved. You are posting where you are.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:23 am