Feingold: Right-Wing ‘Stunts’ On Iraq Are ‘Killing Americans’
Feingold: Right-Wing ‘Stunts’ On Iraq Are ‘Killing Americans’
Last week, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) held the Senate open for an all-night debate on Iraq, calling the conservatives’ bluff on the filibuster and highlighting “Republican resistance to allowing a simple majority vote on a plan to withdraw troops from Iraq.”
The conservative leadership quickly blasted Reid’s move as a political stunt. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) said, “Our enemies aren’t threatened by talk-a-thons, and our troops deserve better than publicity stunts.”
As Atrios pointed out, today, Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI) hit back against McConnell, declaring that the “only stunt” that’s going on is conservatives who are enabling the Iraq war to continue:
The only that is going on here is by Republicans in the Senate who have continued to fabricate excuses for this Iraq war, year after year. They have been enablers of this tragedy. They have not shown the guts in most cases and vote to end this war. They will use every excuse, every slogan, every political trick to not let us end this war, so I would call that the stunt, and that’s the stunt that’s killing Americans.
Watch it:
Transcript:
BLITZER: When I spoke yesterday with the Republican leader, the Minority leader, Mitch McConnell, in the Senate, he said, it’s precisely these kinds of — what he would characterize as stunts, political stunts, whether an all-night debate involving Iraq or motion of censure, which is why the approval number — the job approval number — of Congress is even lower than it is for the President of the United States. Instead of focusing in on substantive issues, you’re focusing on political theater. What would you say to McConnell?
FEINGOLD: The only stunt that is going on here is by Republicans in the Senate who have continued to fabricate excuses for this Iraq war, year after year. They have been enablers of this tragedy. They have not shown the guts in most cases and vote to end this war. They will use every excuse, every slogan, every political trick to not let us end this war, so I would call that the stunt, and that’s the stunt that’s killing Americans. Not what I’m talking about.
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July 23rd, 2007 at 6:43 pmRuss is sure desperate to surrender to somebody.
July 23rd, 2007 at 6:44 pmThanks Feingold.
What congress and the people need at this point are dozens of Federal State and Local Prosecutors that have experience dealing with the mafia.
July 23rd, 2007 at 6:47 pmNo. More like Left-wing theatrics…
Wrong again, Russy!
July 23rd, 2007 at 6:47 pmHe’s absolutely right. People are getting maimed and killed every single day…and for what? So Bush and his boys can have more power and profits?
This war is completely immoral, illegal and ruinous, and has been since the day it started.
The time to end this insanity is now. Not next year and not in the fall. Today, not tomorrow….now.
Some further reading:
July 23rd, 2007 at 6:47 pm“Top-Ten Reasons to Get out of Iraq Now”
http://www.populistamerica.com/top_ten_reasons_to_get_out_of_iraq_now
Russ is sure desperate to surrender to somebody.
Still with that rusty talking point.
Withdrawal =/= surrender. Please get that through your head, for everybody’s sake.
July 23rd, 2007 at 6:48 pmWithdrawal can not only be characterized as surrender but as retreat, fleeing, running away, cowardly, Clinton-like, French. You pick how you want to spin it.
July 23rd, 2007 at 6:50 pmYou can’t surrender or retreat from an occupation, only stop the oppression.
July 23rd, 2007 at 6:52 pmThe neocons will continue with their stunts as long as they can continue to hide behind the skirts of the mainstream media.
July 23rd, 2007 at 6:53 pm“You pick how you want to spin it.”
We will, dear. Fortunately, the American people don’t really care how we “spin” it; they just want us out of Iraq.
July 23rd, 2007 at 6:54 pm“The neocons will continue with their stunts as long as they can continue to hide behind the skirts of the mainstream media.”
Well, that’s kind of what the “stunt” was all about — to make the obstructionism so bloody obvious that it could no longer be ignored. McClatchy definitely picked up on it; I’m not sure whether everyone else did. We’ll just have to see whether the “stunt” had its intended effect or not.
July 23rd, 2007 at 6:55 pmRepublicans are saving civilian Americans from attacks here, while terror organizations focus on disrupting Coalition efforts in Iraq.
July 23rd, 2007 at 6:56 pmYou go Russ. Nice, nice takedown of the republican spin.
July 23rd, 2007 at 6:56 pmFeingold and Libs, we are not the ones trying to retreat and embolden the enemy. Get the facts straight Feingold.
July 23rd, 2007 at 6:58 pmRepublicans are saving civilian Americans from attacks here, while terror organizations focus on disrupting Coalition efforts in Iraq.
Comment by paul — July 23, 2007 @ 6:56 pm
You’ve got it exactly backwards. Republicans & BushCo have created a more dangerous world by the occupation of Iraq, while using fear to disrupt Americas attention of what’s really happening.
You are living in a dream world.
July 23rd, 2007 at 6:59 pmRuss Feingold is one of a very few true leaders this nation has right now.
He’s intelligent, principles and articulate.
Of course, it’s easier to be articulate when you have a clear idea of what to say, and you’re right.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:00 pmRepublicans are saving civilian Americans from attacks here
Yawn – yeah, cause a bunch of guys who think attacking an Army base full of armed soldiers is a godd idea are really threatening…
while terror organizations focus on disrupting Coalition efforts in Iraq.
You might want to read the intelligence reports that show that a very small fraction of the attacks in Iraq are by “terrorists”. Most are by the ethnic factions that want us to get the hell out of their country.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:00 pmI still say, kill Americans over there so I don’t kill them over here.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:01 pmWhat’s Daryll doing here? This thread isn’t about gay sex.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:01 pm#12
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:01 pmThe greatest stunt was Bush pulling off the biggest fraud in American history.
And no action in Iraq is saving lives here. That is talk-radio pablum for the childish minds of non-thinkers.
Every vote the Republicans cast to continue thier obstructionism are nails in thier coffins come ‘08. Thier stones should start shrinking in September. Then we will see the true cowdice of the Republicans.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:02 pmRepublicans are saving civilian Americans from attacks here, while terror organizations focus on disrupting Coalition efforts in Iraq.
Comment by paul — July 23, 2007 @ 6:56 pm
Thanks for saying “Coalition”. I haven’t heard that one in a while.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:02 pmFeingold is correct about the GOPers, but he must put his words into actions. No more helping Republicans in the Congress > PERIOD. They can all go straight to Hell.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:03 pmFeingold is right. The Republicans who talk out against the war don’t back it up with their votes. The surge isn’t working, only more are dying.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:04 pmFeingold and Libs, we are not the ones trying to retreat and embolden the enemy. Get the facts straight Feingold.
Comment by Daryll
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:05 pmDaryll- What’s to retreat from. We won according to Bush (Mission Accomplished). Saddam is dead. No weapons of mass destruction. Job is done.
Feingold is correct about the GOPers, but he must put his words into actions. No more helping Republicans in the Congress > PERIOD. They can all go straight to Hell.
Comment by Jay Randal — July 23, 2007 @ 7:03 pm
He is, he introduced a motion to censure King George & President Cheney – Reid & the rest of them are the ones who need to get their thumbs out of their asses.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:06 pmDaryll > you have NOT joined up with the military to fight in Iraq yet, so be silent on this thread. AmericaBlog probably has a Gay thread up today.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:08 pmGo Russ!!!
Who gives a crap what happens to the towel heads. Let em kill each other and let god sort em out.
Let the Pan-Muslim wars begin.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:08 pmTHEATRICS: Bush and Cheney’s fraudulent misrepresentations about the true state of affairs in Iraq was designed to convince the public to believe that Iraq presented an imminent threat. They needed to convince the public that there was a dire emergency in order to convince Congress to authorize funds for the war. This scheme of misrepresentation obstructed the workings of government in a critical way — it caused the most serious of governmental decisions to be made upon false information.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:10 pmRepublicans are saving civilian Americans from attacks here, while terror organizations focus on disrupting Coalition efforts in Iraq.
Comment by paul
That bull crap is sooo worn out.
Look, WE all know for every civilian in Iraq and other places we have offended, WE have created 10 more terrorists. And rightfully so.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:13 pmI only wish Russ would consider running in 08! After all, he had the same intel and voted against enabling this dictator. This guy’s not only got brains but obvious balls – something we’re desperately short of in Congress right now.
He’d make one hellova Veep if he doesn’t want the main job of attempting to clean up the sewage spilled by this toxic administration.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:13 pmRuss is a good man, but its Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi that he needs to get riding on.
He goes to easy on them.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:13 pmwhen Impeachmnt hearings start you’re gonna see a boost in the polls for congress.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:15 pmI see that the bedwetting trolls are out in force.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:19 pmThe right wing: Fighting Democracy over here, so we don’t have to fight it over there.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:23 pmthose soldiers are herr presidents’ own, personal private property to do with as he wishes, even if it is to use them as human shields to keep his bottom-of-the-barrel supporters deceived. until jesus tells someone to tell us otherwise, that’s just how it is and we should all shut up and go shopping
[was that ok mr. rove? did i say it the right way? can we go have dinner at red lobster now? we're friends now, right mr. rove?]
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:25 pmGood, I will spin it as you being a fu*king retard with no military experience. If you had any military experience, you would know that a military CANNOT surrender to a non-enemy. We are not at war with al Qaida. We are at war with terrorism, which if you had military experience you would know is a TACTIC.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:29 pmWhy doesn’t anyone understand my vision?
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:30 pmI hate the French. I hate the Clintons (all of them, even Roger and George).
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:33 pmLet the Pan-Muslim wars begin.
Comment by Troll — July 23, 2007 @ 7:08 pm
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:35 pm——————————
Bold statement. But notice the Left doesn’t disagree at all!
those soldiers are herr presidents’ own, personal private property to do with as he wishes
true, but they did take an oath to uphold the constitution…. there are about 180,000 mercs , Cheneys military, paid around 100,000 a month of our tax payer money in Iraq. These folks do not follow our constitution… some are from other countries. This is very worrisome.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:35 pmNice take-down, Spudge.
I don’t think it will stick, though. Frank will forget how the mat tastes as soon as he’s on his knees again.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:35 pm.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:35 pm.
Kiiiiick Buuuush buuuutt! Nobody does it better than rUSs!
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I agree, Sen. Feingold rocks !!!!
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:37 pmRock on, Russ.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:37 pmPan-Muslim wars?
What’s Pan going to do? Hit them with his flute?
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:38 pmGotta love, the Russ!!!!
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:38 pmRuss is freakin’ awesome.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:39 pmLet the Pan-Muslim wars begin.
Comment by Troll — July 23, 2007 @ 7:08 pm
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Bold statement. But notice the Left doesn’t disagree at all!
Comment by Thrasymachos — July 23, 2007 @ 7:35 pm
Regarding this lack of response to Troll’s “bold statement”, what you seem to assume is some form of tacit agreement is more likely (and certainly is in my case) an instance of a comment being so stupid as to not warrant a reply.
If that’s the kind of manuever you have to depend on in order to hold progressives in an unflattering light, your ideology must be more bankrupt that I even imagined.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:40 pmRuss has a nice mouth.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:40 pmDick says we can avoid a Pan-Muslim war by invading Iran.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:42 pmWithdrawal can not only be characterized as surrender but as retreat, fleeing, running away, cowardly, Clinton-like, French. You pick how you want to spin it.
Comment by Frank J
How can withdrawal from a country we illegally massacred now occupy be characterized as retreat, fleeing, running away, cowardly?
You make no sense.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:44 pmYou make no sense.
Comment by had enough — July 23, 2007 @ 7:44 pm
Of course he makes no sense — he’s Frank J. It’s kind of a trademark of his.
Of course, with the performance of all the trolls around here lately, I think he’s got a strong case for trademark infringement.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:49 pmComment by Thrasymachos — July 23, 2007 @ 7:35 pm
Feingold is a good Jew who knows the best thing that could happen to Israel is for the Islamofascist to busy themselves self destructing.
He is also a corporatist who knows that a Pan-Muslim war would create the perfect cover for moving in and taking the oil fields.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:49 pmHe is also a corporatist who knows that a Pan-Muslim war would create the perfect cover for moving in and taking the oil fields.
Comment by Troll — July 23, 2007 @ 7:49 pm
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:52 pm———————————
If only that were true, I think he just your run of the mill surrender monkey.
Thank you, Senator Feingold! Don’t let Blitzer feed you that line that the low approval ratings in congress are because you aren’t cooperating with the President because it is exactly the reverse: the low approval ratings are because congress has been too cooperative with this atrocious President.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:52 pm.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:54 pm.
Hey, it’s Bush bashin’ time. I say, it’s Bush bashin’ time. Feels so gooooooooooood!
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I’m moving to Wisconsin. And I hate the snow. The best definition I have ever heard for a republican is a person who wants it to be 1957 again. Women knew their places and minorities kept their mouths shut.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:55 pmPoor trolls, still bleating their BS talking points that were so smacked around in the November 2006 elections
Poor trolls, represent the real wild-eyed radical extremists by still sticking with W’s clearly incompetent attempts at being “A War President”, still representing the brain dead 26% sheeple lackeys
Poor trolls, going far out of their way to make complete, blithering idiots of themselves even though none of their always easily-debunked blather will result in the US public rallying around W or his GOP enablers
Poor trolls, it sure must suck to be y’all right about now-Oh Hell, who am I kidding, it ALWAYS sucks to be you trolls
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:55 pmComment by KingCranky — July 23, 2007 @ 7:55 pm
oh.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:56 pmComment by mikey r — July 23, 2007 @ 7:40 pm
mikey,
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:59 pmWhat is stupid is ignoring the facts on the ground. Iran is already in Iraq. The Saudis have made it clear that if the US leaves they will not allow Iran a free hand there. Syria will back Iran, Turkey will move to incorporate the Kurdish north. Pakistan will back the Saudis. It’s very tenable.
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July 23rd, 2007 at 8:00 pm.
Sieg heil, der Bushrer!
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Withdrawal can not only be characterized as surrender but as retreat, fleeing, running away, cowardly, Clinton-like, French. You pick how you want to spin it.
Comment by Frank J
Call it whatever you want. It’s gonna keep the troops from getting killed, maimed, mangled or mutilated in Iraq’s civil war. No more troops should die because of Bush’s lies. In fact, Bush and Cheney should be in The Hague right now awaiting trial for all this death and destruction caused by their illegal invasion of Iraq.
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:01 pmWe can debate all this death and destruction later.
Right now, Laura wants me to start packin’ for our vacation.
Can’t wait to get my hands on some of that brush!
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:06 pmWhat is stupid is ignoring the facts on the ground. Iran is already in Iraq. The Saudis have made it clear that if the US leaves they will not allow Iran a free hand there. Syria will back Iran, Turkey will move to incorporate the Kurdish north. Pakistan will back the Saudis. It’s very tenable.
Comment by Troll — July 23, 2007 @ 7:59 pm
it’s as tenable as the 6-week Iraq war for $1.7 billion. you don’t have a clue of what you’re spewing.
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:06 pmheard on maddow / AirAmericaRadio…
another example of how terrorism is best “fought” with
law enforcement and investigation tactics…
US car theft rings probed for ties to Iraq bombings
By Bryan Bender, Globe Staff | October 2, 2005
WASHINGTON — The FBI’s counterterrorism unit has launched a broad investigation of US-based theft rings after discovering that some of the vehicles used in deadly car bombings in Iraq, including attacks that killed US troops and Iraqi civilians, were probably stolen in the United States, according to senior government officials.
[...]
http://www.boston.com/news/world/articles/2005/10/02/us_car_theft_rings_probed_for_ties_to_iraq_bombings/
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suburbans are especially attractive because they resemble
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:10 pmthe many u.s. official vehicles, getting those bombs even
closer to u.s. targets…
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Is Reid on board with that Censure vote yet? Last week he said no way.
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:10 pm“Iran is already in Iraq.”
They have minuscule presence in Iraq.
Ultimately I think the Shia in Iraq will align themselves with Iran.
“The Saudis have made it clear that if the US leaves they will not allow Iran a free hand there.”
The Saudis will get involve if the Shiites start massacring the Sunnis.
“Syria will back Iran, Turkey will move to incorporate the Kurdish north. Pakistan will back the Saudis. It’s very tenable.”
Comment by Troll — July 23, 2007 @ 7:59 pm
This is all wild conjecture.
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:11 pmComment by ronjazz — July 23, 2007 @ 8:06 pm
It must be nice to live in utter ignorance.
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:11 pmComment by Nat — July 23, 2007 @ 8:11 pm
It must be nice to be utterly ignorant.
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:12 pm“Feingold and Libs, we are not the ones trying to retreat and embolden the enemy. Get the facts straight Feingold.” —Comment by Daryll — July 23, 2007 @ 6:58 pm
Hey Daryll, ever heard of Ron Paul?
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:12 pmFeingold and Libs, we are not the ones trying to retreat and embolden the enemy. Get the facts straight Feingold.
Comment by Daryll — July 23, 2007 @ 6:58 pm
which enemy has been emboldened? – i heard that al qaeda is as strong now as it was early in 2001.
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:13 pmdaryll you’ve been listening too much to kristol and the likes who come out with these ridiculous catch-phrases.
mikey,
What is stupid is ignoring the facts on the ground. Iran is already in Iraq. The Saudis have made it clear that if the US leaves they will not allow Iran a free hand there. Syria will back Iran, Turkey will move to incorporate the Kurdish north. Pakistan will back the Saudis. It’s very tenable.
Comment by Troll — July 23, 2007 @ 7:59 pm
“Iran is already in iraq”? Got any proof? I mean, proof that doesn’t come from an administration already clearly bent on attacking Iran, one known to be willing to, let’s say, shape the intelligence around its desired policy?
You do realize, don’t you, that any aid the Iranians are providing to Iraqis goes to Shia, and that Saudi Arabia supports the Sunni insurgency, right? And that the Sunnis are responsible for the bulk of the attacks on American soldiers? Maybe that’s because we deposed their guy and opened the door for the majority Shia to take power. Oops.
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:14 pmIt must be nice to be utterly ignorant.
Comment by Thrasymachos — July 23, 2007 @ 8:12 pm
Same to you.
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:16 pm#39 Comment by Frank J — July 23, 2007 @ 7:33 pm
I hate the French. I hate the Clintons (all of them, even Roger and George).
And proud of it too, right Frankie? What do you think Frankie? Are you typical of the other trolls? Do you all sit around under the bridge talking about what you all hate?
“Even Roger and George”? Care to tell us why they are so deserving of your hate? I have no idea! Maybe I should hate them too, even though I don’t know them, like you.
So share with us, Frankie. Who else do you hate?
Enquiring minds want to know.
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:18 pm“They [Senate GOPers] will use every excuse, every slogan, every political trick to not let us end this war, so I would call that the stunt, and that’s the stunt that’s killing Americans.” —rUSs Feingold.
After that, “Feingold” should be spelled “Fine-gold.”
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:26 pmComment by mikey r — July 23, 2007 @ 8:14 pm
mikey,
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:29 pmSo what if we are responsible for the Sunni insurgents anger. The fact is they are angry and it should be obvious that they intend to return to power. How will they do that? They will provoke the Shia then play the part of the victim so the Saudis will come to their defense.
Oh look! All the trolls love Russ! A new tactic springs to the fore! Oh I get it! Silly me. He is a “Jew” one of them said. That means he is pro war but “acting undercover” to throw off the “leftards” around here. Thanks for unmasking the True Russ for us. We will really hate him now.
Back at the ranch we zoom in on Russ
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:30 pmRuss, hiding behind a tree takes off his shoe, and dials ominously… Scrunched over he holds the shoe to his ear… “Hello, Chimpy, “The Jew” here, the scam is working great! Those moonbats over at TP think I’m one of them. Heh, Heh…But listen get the word out to those dumb trolls to shut up, or my cover will be blown… We don’t want another Scooter “incident” you know…
So merlin,
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:32 pmA Pan-Muslim war is not good for Israel?
According to you “leftards” organized religion is the cause of most wars. What better solution than to have the 2nd largest organized religion self destruct. Its brilliant really. We’d make one enormous leap towards world peace.
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:38 pmThe Hillary exit plan debate has sharp political subtleties
If Cheney and Rumsfeld had not, in what is called an act of depraved indifference, blocked plans and strategies by State, CIA and the Military to prepare for worst case scenarios before engaging in Iraq, America would today have a third less casualties.
When Hillary says where is the plan, which of course the Military has game-played for ten different scenarios, she is saying that America will not again tolerate political operatives to force our Military into incompetent alternatives.
Hillary is stating that America does not want a White House political opinion or worse yet a Bush/Cheney political plan. Congress and the troops deserve a set of plans, in hand now thank you very much, created by the best minds so that the withdrawal will neither be delayed nor botched to give political advantage to the creators of this mess.
Military planning will indicate how many deaths, how much cost and what time frame(s) their withdrawal plans indicate.
Knowing the Military’s best estimates makes the overall cost of withdrawal more of a factual matter and less open to Bush/Cheney/Rove fear mongering, propaganda and general political sloganeering.
–cognitorex –
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:39 pmFeingold holds town hall meetings/listening sessions in EVERY voting district in Wisconsin at least once a year. He gets an earfull from both democrats and republicans. He knows that The voters are way ahead of the politicians on this one. The voters know we are in a Quagmire , and you can’t fight terrorism when you’re up to your eyeballs in Mud.
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:41 pmAccording to you “leftards†organized religion is the cause of most wars. What better solution than to have the 2nd largest organized religion self destruct. Its brilliant really. We’d make one enormous leap towards world peace.
Comment by Troll — July 23, 2007 @ 8:38 pm
Delusional!
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:41 pmBack at the ranch we zoom in on Russ
Russ, hiding behind a tree takes off his shoe, and dials ominously… Scrunched over he holds the shoe to his ear… “Hello, Chimpy, “The Jew†here, the scam is working great! Those moonbats over at TP think I’m one of them. Heh, Heh…But listen get the word out to those dumb trolls to shut up, or my cover will be blown… We don’t want another Scooter “incident†you know… —Comment by Merlin — July 23, 2007 @ 8:30 pm
Here, Merlin, take these little white pills, and soon, veeeery soooon, eeeeverything will be all right.
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:42 pmWhat better solution than to have the 2nd largest organized religion self destruct.
Isn’t that a bit risky…since they are sitting atop the 1st largest oil deposits.
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:48 pmComment by Troll — July 23, 2007 @ 8:38 pm
Additionally
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:51 pmJust think of the carbon savings when 1/2 -1 billion (maybe Allah willing up to 1 1/2 billion) people disapear. War and global warming no more.
We don’t need to be asking why the Repukelickins hate our troops…
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:52 pmThey’re neoColons.
Russ is sure desperate to surrender to somebody.
Comment by Frank J — July 23, 2007 @ 6:44 pm
So’s ya’ mama.
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:54 pmOn Thursday morning, July 19th, the beloved GOP talking point “up or down vote” was officially declared dead. Its demise was little noticed in the aftermath of the Senate Republicans’ successful all-night filibuster to block the Reed-Levin bill seeking to begin U.S. troop withdrawals from Iraq. “Up or down vote” was killed by a desperate Republican Party trying to obstruct Democratic accomplishments at any cost in advance of the 2008 elections. And so far, the GOP seems to be getting away with the crime.
For the details, see:
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:54 pm“Up or Down Vote: Death of a GOP Talking Point.”
Comment by Badger — July 23, 2007 @ 8:48 pm
No as I said the corporatist have this planned out. They then have the cover (aks Pan-Muslim war) to move in and take the oil fields. Without having to pretend they care about the population or that messy democracy stuff.
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:54 pmWithdrawal can not only be characterized as surrender but as retreat, fleeing, running away, cowardly, Clinton-like, French. You pick how you want to spin it.
Comment by Frank J — July 23, 2007 @ 6:50 pm
Cowardly? Hardly. I’ll spin it like this: Why aren’t you fighting, you big, brave, neocon pig. Know why? ‘Cause you’re a coward, hiding behind a blog. Disgusting.
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:57 pmJust think of the carbon savings…
You’re right… …if this happens Al Gore and John Edwards will be so happy, they won’t feel so GUILTY about their massive carbon footprints.
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:58 pmRepublicans are saving civilian Americans from attacks here, while terror organizations focus on disrupting Coalition efforts in Iraq.
Comment by paul — July 23, 2007 @ 6:56 pm
Thank you for your support of the BAIT.
Run on down to the recruiter’s office, they’re looking for more BAIT.
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:00 pmNOOOOOOOOOOOO.
Zooey…
Don’t call the recruits BAIT. That’s not good.
“Thank you for your support of the BAIT.
Run on down to the recruiter’s office, they’re looking for more BAIT.
Comment by Zooey — July 23, 2007 @ 9:00 pmâ€
Your only hope now is to claim SATIRE!
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:05 pmI am now in the great state of Wisconsin. since I’ve been here – maybe a week or so – I know at least 3 people/families that are on board to volunteer for Russ.
On top of that, all the die hard republicans I’ve known for a lifetime are never
voting Republican again. These are lifers… smart folks too boot.
Give ‘em hell, Russ. A heart punch full of truth!
f*ckin’ cowards.
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:07 pmYour only hope now is to claim SATIRE!
Comment by r — July 23, 2007 @ 9:05 pm
It is satire. Cruel satire. That’s how paul is talking about the troops or “coalition,” if you will — as if they are bait, keeping the evil terrorists over there by being available for the slaughter. He’s a moron.
No offense meant.
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:08 pmr sez:
It’s pretty clear from the context that Zooey was being facetious. Pity that nuance was lost on you…
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:08 pmI love ya, Russ, you know I do. Get behind impeachment, babes.
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:10 pmIt’s pretty clear from the context that Zooey was being facetious. Pity that nuance was lost on you…
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
Thanks, TMM. I’m guessing I missed that “r” is one of our newer trolls?
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:11 pmYouTube debate was excellent.
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:13 pm“Up or down vote†was killed by a desperate Republican Party trying to obstruct Democratic accomplishments at any cost in advance of the 2008 elections. And so far, the GOP seems to be getting away with the crime. —Comment by Angry One — July 23, 2007 @ 8:54 pm
If you think “the GOP seems to be getting away with the crime,” then have I ever got some ocean-front property in Kansas to sell YOU! Cheap! The whole point of the exercise was to expose the Bush-licking Senate GOPers to the voting public and watch them squeal like live pigs on the roasting spit. Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins (both R. Maine) are already squealing in fear of their seats come ‘08.
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:14 pmZooey sez:
De nada, Z…”r” has that “new troll smell”, but you can buy that in bottles, so it could be one of our older trolls with a brand-new nick. Either way, does it really matter? ^_^
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:16 pmThank goodness. It took WaltTheMan a hundred posts to claim his recial comments were sarcasm. And he sucked in The Republic of Stupidity and Juan C before he finally recanted – er, claimed satire.
And didn’t back down until confonted.
And both you an Trip still think you said nothing wrong. Ok
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:17 pmCensure certainly doesn’t go far enough when we are talking about persons who are war criminals and traitors to the American Constitution, but at least it is a start. It will provide the historical record that we knew Bush&Co were morally corrupt and at the least, we put it in the record. Whether the miscreants are removed from office is too dependent upon the miscreants who continue to support them and stymie any and all procedures for their ouster.
Have you all called Conyers and supported impeachment?
Frankly, nothing would satisfy me except a march from the White House of all the staff there in handcuffs, but that will never happen, unfortunately, so I will support any and all measures that have a chance to affect the record and actually pass.
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:18 pm2004election results from wisconsin
Russ Feingold Democratic 1,632,697 55.35%
John Kerry John Edwards Democratic 1,489,504 49.70%
so in 2004 143193 voted for Feingold…but not for Kerry
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:21 pmr sez:
You can’t seriously be this stupid.
If you can’t recognize a facetious comment when you see it, you’re not qualified to comment here. Go back to Red State.
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:22 pm#79 Comment by Troll — July 23, 2007 @ 8:32 pm
So merlin,
A Pan-Muslim war is not good for Israel?
Troll, troll, troll. Sigh… You know me well enough to know I don’t respond to questions that are not real. Just like your post #61 where you start by saying
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:24 pm“What is stupid is ignoring the facts on the ground.”
and then proceed to give a bunch of futuristic guess work. You close with ” It’s very tenable” which is not facts on the ground. You simply aren’t real, sad to say.
FACETIOUS has all the vowels in order.
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:25 pmFrankly, nothing would satisfy me except a march from the White House of all the staff there in handcuffs-Comment by Marie
Marie- it would be a glorious day indeed. I’ve contacted Conyers’ office. Regardless if impeachment results in conviction, as you say, at least it will be recorded in history and demonstrate to the rest of the world that WE (the American people) DO try to hold our elected officials accountable.
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:27 pmDe nada, Z…â€r†has that “new troll smellâ€, but you can buy that in bottles, so it could be one of our older trolls with a brand-new nick. Either way, does it really matter? ^_^
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 23, 2007 @ 9:16 pm
Nope, not a bit. :-)
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:30 pm#80 Comment by Troll — July 23, 2007 @ 8:38 pm
According to you “leftards†organized religion is the cause of most wars. What better solution than to have the 2nd largest organized religion self destruct. Its brilliant really. We’d make one enormous leap towards world peace.
See, troll, here you are again. Just saying provocative things and using generalizations. Throw in a bash (“leftardsâ€), shake well and you have the perfect, you believe, troll post. Then you expect to get an answer? You sound like VV/MA. Have you been taking lessons over at the West Hollywood Gym for Men?
Oh, and do say Hi to VV for me, OK?
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:30 pmAnd both you an Trip still think you said nothing wrong. Ok
Comment by r — July 23, 2007 @ 9:17 pm
Bullshit. Walt posted a comment that was clearly sarcastic, except to those of you who are challenged — then had the nerve to walk away from his computer to engage in a little something called LIFE, and you think he’s hiding. Please….
Walt does not need to defend himself against trolls.
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:32 pmFACETIOUS has all the vowels in order.
Comment by Chimp — July 23, 2007 @ 9:25 pm
Good Chimpy!! Here’s a banana!
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:33 pmThank goodness. It took WaltTheMan a hundred posts to claim his recial comments were sarcasm.
…
Comment by r
I see. You were trying to suck me into the same “trap” you tried on Walt. Yeah, that would have worked as well as it did on Walt.
Lame.
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:36 pmWhen someone calls recruits BAIT, I’ll highlight it.
When someone calls homosexuals PERVERTS like Mikey r did, I’ll highlight it.
When Walt The Man makes a racial comment and says Iranis have high tech skills and Iraqis don’t I’ll highlight it.
Then you can come back later and say “SARCASMâ€. It makes it all better.
And you can call me stupid and unqualified to be here, but I didn’t make these statements. I just pointed out who did. And you didn’t reject them until it was obvious they were indefensible, then you claim SARCASM.
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:37 pmThis is the mikey r response, sound familiar. I’m dense, and stupid and unqualified to be in your racist, homophobe troop hating club.
Ohmigod you trolls are dense. Maybe you’re dense because it serves your purposes, but you’re still dense nevertheless.
But if it helps assuage the lonliness, please. by all means, keep talking to yourself.
Comment by mikey r — July 23, 2007 @ 9:38 pm
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:41 pmAnd you can call me stupid and unqualified to be here, but I didn’t make these statements. I just pointed out who did. And you didn’t reject them until it was obvious they were indefensible, then you claim SARCASM.
Comment by r — July 23, 2007 @ 9:37 pm
How long have you been commenting here, r? I’m thinking you’re pretty new around here, and if you’re not, you’re just stupid.
All of the people you’re alleging did those naughty deeds have been commenting here at least 1-2 years, and we recognize their humor or sarcasm.
You’re STUPID and UNQUALIFIED.
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:42 pmThey are murderers, plain and simple. Every senator and every congressperson who votes to continue this madness is complicit in the murder of these brave Americans who have way more guts than the lily livered cowards who send other people’s children into that hell hole to die.
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:43 pmThis is the mikey r response, sound familiar. I’m dense, and stupid and unqualified to be in your racist, homophobe troop hating club.
Comment by r
I’m sensing a trend. How about you? It seems YOU are the common denominator here. Hmmmm?
You can perceive us any way you choose, but it doesn’t make it so.
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:44 pm“Thanks for saying “Coalitionâ€. I haven’t heard that one in a while.”
Oh boy, we have a Coalition in Iraq. What is it now? USA, Britian and maybe Poland? What a great coalition that is!
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:47 pmr sez:
And when someone posts a facetious comment, you’ll misinterpret it.
Got it.
You did more than point it out. You made the erroneous assumption that Zooey’s obviously facetious post was in earnest. That’s why you’re unqualified to be here.
Again, you’re an idiot. If you can’t tell the difference between a post made in earnest and one made tongue-in-cheek, you’re not qualified to be here. So why are you still here?
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:55 pmI don’t have to perceve, I have your statements. Like Zooey, who says your just a fun bunch.
This is the way you joke around huh. You all have a strange sense of humor.
The recruiters are looking for BAIT, like dead fish or worms or grubs. Ha Ha Ha.
Iranis are smarter than Iraquis. I have some other ethnic jokes to tell you on the down low. Jews, Polish, Italians, the list goes on. We’re a close group of TPers. We all get the jokes, you outsiders are stupid and unqualified to yuck it up with us.
Any homosexuals want to come on board and agree that making homosexuals = PERVERTS jokes is all fun and games.
We really know how to joke around here at TP. Har Dee Har Har. And these jokes are from the regulars.
The outsiders are stupid and unqualified.
Ok…
Recant if you want, it’s up to you.
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:56 pmSome people say I’m stupid and unqualified to be here.
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:56 pmComment by r — July 23, 2007 @ 9:56 pm
Whiner.
Run along….
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:01 pmSo we’re all agreed then?
Mark Foley, Ted Haggard, and Bob Allen are not perverts!
This should help my poll numbers.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:05 pm.
zooey spoke the truth…
as it happens with most satire…
the trooll’s fake indignation has only one purpose -
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:06 pmto derail the legitimate conversation…
.
Isn’t Saudia Arabia the real culprit here. Thirteen hijackers on 911 were from there, and fifty percent of the insurgents in Iraq are also from there according to the latest survey. Isn’t it sad how dumb Americans are in believing that Republicans can protect you. Let’s look at Bush43 and Reagan.
Reagan- Beruit Embassy and Barracks attacked resulting in hundreds of American deaths. RESPONSE- attack Grenada.
Bush43-911- Almost Three Thousand killed from NY to DC to Pennsylvania. RESPONSE- Send in a small group of troops into Afghanistan and then pull out most of them to attack Iraq. Bin Laden, Leader of the Republican party, still at large.
It’s pretty clear from the pattern here that these folks could care less about your own safety or the troops own safety and more about giving sound bites and telling you to keep those flags waving.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:13 pmkaty sez:
Too true. It’s unlikely that anyone who is intelligent enough to hammer out a couple of sentences (however badly misspelled) and hit the “Post – I agree” button is so mentally deficient that they are unable to differentiate between an earnest post and a facetious one. Accordingly, it would probably be best to give “r” all the attention he deserves…zero.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:14 pmSo “r” are you a concern troll. (Have I got that right folks? Still don’t really know what that means.) You believe you can sneak under the radar by claiming to be the champion for all the “downtrodden” in the world? You have included a bunch of them. And that gives you the “justification” to self righteously bash everyone you want to. And you are so like Mother Teresa!
But you know, I feel kind of left out here! Zoo and Trip and Walt are getting all the attention, and you are ignoring ME! Didn’t you read my anti-semitic diatribe up there at #78 about “The Jew”? C’mon “r” include me in, cause I’m the worst one here! Come to the rescue and make me feel better!
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:17 pmOh good, another one. This would be katy
Zooey said – and I guess you agree (as a funny satire joke):
“Thank you for your support of the BAIT.
Run on down to the recruiter’s office, they’re looking for more BAIT.”
What about the ethnic comments or homosexuals = PERVERTS jokes that your friends were smirking about.
Do you want to go on record with them too. Zooey already did.
Then she just pleaded with me to go away. Must be having a bad night.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:18 pmWhile the U.S. government and media keep focusing on defense policies, campaign advertisement and the war in Iraq, 1.2 billion people in the world continue surviving on less than $1 dollar a day. I would like to all presidential candidates and political leaders support, more international problems that affect our place in this world, such as global poverty. We should not forget the commitment made towards the U.N. Millennium Goals (a pact of ending extreme world hunger by the year 2025) in 2000. While the U.S. government and media keep focusing on defense policies and the war in Iraq, 1.2 billion people in the world continue surviving on less than $1 dollar a day. According to The Borgen Project, an annual $19 billion dollars is needed to eliminate half of the extreme poverty affecting the world by the year 2015. To my sense, it is almost unacceptable to have spent so far more than $340 billion in Iraq only, when we have more than war immunities to change the world and eliminate poverty.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:20 pmI have one word to my fellow 25 percenters watching fox news….Strategery! With the strategery we set place in Iraq, we shall have more of our young men parrish over there so they don’t parrish over here. Oh and I forgot to ask you women to continue seeing those OBGYN’s, we need more woman practicing their love of woman, heheh.Thank you for voting me in America, I’m glad you don’t ask me any tough questions, heheh. Go Dixie!
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:25 pmWhat about the ethnic comments or homosexuals = PERVERTS jokes that your friends were smirking about.
Do you want to go on record with them too. Zooey already did.
Then she just pleaded with me to go away. Must be having a bad night.
Comment by r — July 23, 2007 @ 10:18 pm
r, you can claim that i called homosexuals perverts, but you neglect to inlcude the context in which that statement was made.
What a surprise. Because the context was one in which you had already said that heterosexual men getting oral sex from a woman was perverted. My comment made quite clear that I was using the term in relation to your stated standards.
Are you going to own up to that? Or are you going to continue to resist it, therefore richly earning the “dense” label? If so, you’ll prove to be a typically disingenuous troll, and not a particularly adept one at that.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:27 pm#130 Comment by r — July 23, 2007 @ 10:18 pm
Oh good, another one. This would be katy
Now look “r” now I’m getting mad! You have gone too far. Are you going to include me or not? I am worse than all the others. You have to admit that, right? So, it seems you are being hypocritical by excluding me. So I demand an answer! What does it take to get in your “Hateful Person” club. Even Katy can get in, and she didn’t even say anything. This is outrageous! I demand you include me “or else!”
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:29 pmSorry Merlin, I didn’t see your comment.
All TPers will readily admit that they hate the hypocrisy on the other side, but when they say something negative or hateful, they just think their words don’t matter. Especally if they use the :satire: tag. Ok, but “I was just kidding†doesn’t make the hurt go away.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:29 pmThen she just pleaded with me to go away. Must be having a bad night.
Comment by r — July 23, 2007 @ 10:18 pm
I don’t plead with anyone, you whiny zero. I invited you to leave, since you’re obviously so mentally deficient and overly sensitive that you can’t handle this site.
I don’t say anything on this blog that I wouldn’t say to someone’s face. I’ll make you a deal. Next time hacker bob or Sgt Higgins shows up here, I’ll tell them they are bait — and they’ll laugh.
Will that make you feel better, zero?
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:29 pmWell, I’ve read 132 posts here, and I found the first two thirds of them interesting. But the last third has bored me. And I have to go climb the mountain. In the main you’re a good bunch. Smart and sometimes funny. Just don’t beat up on the tards so much. So long.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:30 pmMerlin, I don’t know f you have the definition of “concern troll” quite right. As I understand it, the term refers to a poster who professes concern for, in this case, liberals in order to frame their insults and derision in a more sympathetic package. The hope is that, by professing to be “a liberal” who is concerned about the liberal response to an issue, they can appear to be “moderate” enough so that their “concern is taken more seriously than a typical troll’s would. This is a favorite technique of the trll who goes by Jake/Frank J/Moderate Mary of Maine as well as several other handles.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:32 pmThe problem is r or jake, or whatever nick you are using now we have a complete failure to give a shit if you feel hurt or not.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:32 pm$133
I’m not dodging, I’ll try and get back to you.
I don’t want you calling me even more names.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:33 pmDon’t worry, r.
I’ve already reported this hateful blogging to Bill O.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:35 pmNo, Senator. Your opposition to our men and women in uniform is killing them!
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:35 pmI don’t want you calling me even more names.
Comment by r — July 23, 2007 @ 10:33 pm
Everybody — r is SENSITIVE!!
So basically, just be aware of that as you proceed with business as usual.
:D
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:40 pmNo, Senator. Your opposition to our men and women in uniform is killing them!
Comment by m12 — July 23, 2007 @ 10:35 pm
keep it up li’l buddy. that’s the stuff right there. damn you’re dumb.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:40 pmr would feel much better if we’d just say that the reason Republicans want the troops there is so they can be sacrificed and those dark-skinned boogeymen won’t come here and hurt them. Still a coward’s logic. I’ll gladly bring the troops home for a well deserved rest and take my chances fighting them here. Why are Republicans cowards? I guess because they follow leaders like AWOL and 5 Deferments.
“Additionally
Just think of the carbon savings when 1/2 -1 billion (maybe Allah willing up to 1 1/2 billion) people disapear. War and global warming no more.
Comment by Troll — July 23, 2007 @ 8:51 pm”
Brilliant…..we fought WW2 to rid ourselves of people who thought like you.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:41 pmComment by spit take — July 23, 2007 @ 10:32 pm
Thanks for your take. I appreciate the info and the effort.
Based on your def. I would lump his attempt in with the concern trolls.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:41 pmPlease leave my daddy alone or he’ll cry man tears!
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:42 pmDon’t pick on my dad either.
I’ll declare war on your entire country.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:45 pmm12 sez:
Senator Feingold is not “opposed to the troops”, m12. Take your idiot talking points elsewhere.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:47 pmOk Merlin, you want me to think you’re acting as bad as them.
Just say you agree that based on posted comments:
Zooey said the recruits are BAIT.
Walt The Man disparaged one ethnic group vs. another.
Mickey r equated homosexuals to PERVERTS.
And here I’ll expand for the sake of answering mikey râ€
(sorry I don’t have the exact text) Somebody tossed out the word PERVERT against the GOP. And I said, no, the pervert is Bill Clinton with his blue dress and cigar as show and tell (mickey r – I wish you hadn’t made me repeat that part).
Then mickey r countered with 3 republicans who he says are homosexuals and a diaper fetish guy are PERVERTS. I think this is the context.
And then they all claimed it was just fun and jokes amongst the locals. Dirty stinky stupid unqualified outsiders like me wouldn’t understand.
Ok.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:52 pmFun and jokes?
I got to admit I laughed.
But then I’m always laughing at inappropriate times.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:55 pmComment by m12 — July 23, 2007 @ 10:35 pm
No, Senator. Your opposition to our men and women in uniform is killing them!
Hey, m12 remember this?
Describe victory in Iraq…
Victory in Iraq is a thriving Democracy with oil revenues flowing into US coffers through US military bases that can and will be used for further military action against Iran.
Comment by m12 — July 22, 2007 @ 9:49 pm
Seems to me killing is your thing. Along with stealing other countries oil and invading any country you want.
Oh, I forgot…Neocons say that “Real Men Go To Iran!” So I guess you are a real “man”, huh? So, when is your joining the “coalition troops” going away party?
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:59 pmAnd then they all claimed it was just fun and jokes amongst the locals. Dirty stinky stupid unqualified outsiders like me wouldn’t understand.
Ok.
Comment by r — July 23, 2007 @ 10:52 pm
Wrong, “r”. I didn’t claim it was “just jokes and fun”. I said I was responding to your post in which you identified a heterosexual man getting oral sex from a woman as preverted. In that context, I think it’s safe to assume that one who considered such an act as perverted would also consider gay sex perverted, likely more so.
However, if I misjudged you and you consider a woman giving head to a man perverted but gay sex not, then you have an argument. Is that the case? Because I used what I assumed to be your standards, not my own.
July 23rd, 2007 at 11:05 pmAnd then they all claimed it was just fun and jokes amongst the locals. Dirty stinky stupid unqualified outsiders like me wouldn’t understand.
Ok.
Comment by r — July 23, 2007 @ 10:52 pm
Need a tissue?
July 23rd, 2007 at 11:05 pmAnd… “r”? Until I see something resembling rational thought from one of your comments, I stand by my judgment of “dense” for you. It shouldn’t take fiuve posts to get the concept of “context” through to you. Deal with it.
July 23rd, 2007 at 11:07 pmNeed a tissue?
Comment by Zooey — July 23, 2007 @ 11:05 pm
Nicely put, Zooey. Succinct and to the point as always. I should take lessons from you.
July 23rd, 2007 at 11:08 pmNicely put, Zooey. Succinct and to the point as always. I should take lessons from you.
Comment by mikey r
Thank you, kind sir. :)
That zero probably breaks down in tears just thinking about the old lady who accidentally bumped into him on the street last week. Sheesh…..
July 23rd, 2007 at 11:12 pm#135 Comment by r — July 23, 2007 @ 10:29 pm
Sorry Merlin, I didn’t see your comment.
#150 Comment by r — July 23, 2007 @ 10:52 pm
Ok Merlin, you want me to think you’re acting as bad as them.
Well, did you read my diatribe? Do you think I am worse than them or not? If so are you going to let me in?
July 23rd, 2007 at 11:18 pmWell, did you read my diatribe? Do you think I am worse than them or not? If so are you going to let me in?
Comment by Merlin
No way!! You can’t be worse than me!
That’s it — rock, paper, scissors. Let’s go…
July 23rd, 2007 at 11:28 pm#159 Comment by Zooey — July 23, 2007 @ 11:28 pm
No way!! You can’t be worse than me!
That’s it — rock, paper, scissors. Let’s go…
Huh! Tryin to keep me out eh?
July 23rd, 2007 at 11:38 pmOK, you be the scissors, I’ll be the rock and “r” is the paper. That paper will soon be covered with cuts and bruises!
Huh! Tryin to keep me out eh?
OK, you be the scissors, I’ll be the rock and “r†is the paper. That paper will soon be covered with cuts and bruises!
Comment by Merlin
Deal!!
Oh lordy, we’re break it’s little heart.
July 23rd, 2007 at 11:44 pmIs Russ going after Olbermann’s job?
July 24th, 2007 at 1:59 amThats right Russ.
But ole Harry’s too busy having slumber parties to do anything about it.
July 24th, 2007 at 2:21 amFeingild strikes again…a pity he won’t run.
July 24th, 2007 at 2:27 amRepublicans are saving civilian Americans from attacks here, while terror organizations focus on disrupting Coalition efforts in Iraq.
Comment by paul
What republicans? Are you signing up to go help “save Americans from attacks here”? Have you met an Iraqi? Have you loaded you buddies on an evacuation helicopter?
I am sick and tired of the rhetoric which consists of two things:
1. Fear – that they have been peddling since 2002
2. The troops as a talking point
When I went over there, I was fed a bunch of BS of how we were going so that people could be safe and wouldn’t have to live in fear – while I am gone fighting for that security, the Bush administration has worked its butt off to make sure every American is living in fear. The “terrorists” could never have done that. “The only thing we have to fear is fear itself”. When you live in fear, you abandon all reason.
It is easy to sit behind your keyboard saying how awesome it is that our military is kicking but over there. Using the colloquial “we” that one refers to when they talk about their favorite sports team. Well paul, this isn’t your favorite sports team, and their is no “We”. There are those willing to give there lives for this what this country stands for, and those that are willing to sit on their a**and send them there so they can feel some sort of warped pride.
This isn’t a game. There are no clear rules. It doesn’t matter how many battles we win. We have won every military battle (and many are very bloody, but I would be surprised if you knew that), and all that does is rally more Iraqis to the cause of the insurgents. Every day that we stay there when the majority of Iraqis want us out, is a day that someone else sees us as conquerers instead of liberators. One more day that Al Qaeda is transformed into the liberators.
If you think this occupation is sooo noble, then I hope you are on your way to sign up for the military. The military is short handed and needs your help. But no, you probably will sit there and keep saying “we” are winning, and “we” need to stay!! Well, paul, there is no “we” there are “US” (the ones who care for the ideals of this country and try to protect it on AND OFF the battle field) and their is YOU who likes to sit and cheer while others do the heavy lifting.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:46 amOk Merlin, you want me to think you’re acting as bad as them.
Just say you agree that based on posted comments:
Zooey said the recruits are BAIT.
Walt The Man disparaged one ethnic group vs. another.
Mickey r equated homosexuals to PERVERTS.
And here I’ll expand for the sake of answering mikey râ€
(sorry I don’t have the exact text) Somebody tossed out the word PERVERT against the GOP. And I said, no, the pervert is Bill Clinton with his blue dress and cigar as show and tell (mickey r – I wish you hadn’t made me repeat that part).
Then mickey r countered with 3 republicans who he says are homosexuals and a diaper fetish guy are PERVERTS. I think this is the context.
And then they all claimed it was just fun and jokes amongst the locals. Dirty stinky stupid unqualified outsiders like me wouldn’t understand.
Ok.
Comment by r — July 23, 2007 @ 10:52 pm
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That’s exactly right r,
They = Bolsheviks
We = Mensheviks
It’s a sad fact, but when it comes down to it they don’t want any outside opinions… too much reality spoils their mood.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:56 amWhat is wrong with everyone. This thread is about a great senator who continuously brings up great points. Has been right all along, and has the guts to stand up and shout what everyone needs to hear.
Instead, everyone on the thread has turned it into a sexual preference or sexual deviant thread. Apparently the 4-6 American Soldiers dying EVERY DAY is not important enough to stay on topic. Apparently the stripping of our rights and everything that those soldiers fought for, in the name of fear, is OK.
Everyday, I worry about the country that I loved. An idea I thought would end up being a guiding light to the rest of the world (once we worked out all the bugs). I hoped this country would be an example of tolerance, acceptance, and freedom. How much worse does it have to get before people wake up – or before it is important enough to stay on topic?
July 24th, 2007 at 8:31 am‘Feingold holds town hall meetings/listening sessions in EVERY voting district in Wisconsin at least once a year. He gets an earfull from both democrats and republicans. He knows that The voters are way ahead of the politicians on this one. The voters know we are in a Quagmire , and you can’t fight terrorism when you’re up to your eyeballs in Mud.’
Russ Feingold is the only senator in Washington with the balls to say what the rest are all afraid to….and I am proud that he is from Wisconsin. Go Russ – don’t let the bastards win!
July 24th, 2007 at 9:55 amIt’s a sad fact, but when it comes down to it they don’t want any outside opinions… too much reality spoils their mood.
Comment by Thrasymachos
A hiltsener tsung zol er bakumn.
July 24th, 2007 at 10:13 amDanCaveman,
You get my nomination for the most coherent and logical poster. Please don’t let the trolls drive you away from the site.
I admire you for your service in Iraq, and for your heartfelt and right on posts.
The men and women dying in Iraq for political reasons don’t seem to be in the equation at all. Bush and the Boyz are hellbent on staying the course until Bush leaves office and they can lay the blame on the Democrats.
It is a big game to these people, and to so many of the Bush supporters it’s my team vs your team, right or wrong. Weak and stubborn like Bush, they can’t admit their Dear Leader is a total failure.
We are going to leave Iraq at some point, and we will have done the best we could with the deck stacked against us. Prolonging the inevitable is criminal in my mind, and the Decider and his supporters have death and dismemberment on their souls.
May they all rot in Hell.
July 24th, 2007 at 10:46 amFEINGOLD BOIGRAPHY:
Hits the stands this week. It’s a great read.
http://www.amazon.com/Feingold-Democratic-Sanford-D-Horwitt/dp/141653492X/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-1331445-4107901?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1185289682&sr=8-1
July 24th, 2007 at 11:13 am.
July 24th, 2007 at 5:09 pmI want to add my support to nanlichi’s comment about DanCaveman. I’d quit reading because I was bored with all the off-topic stuff. Thanks, Dan, for making this thread interesting again.
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