Gingrich’s Advice To Bush On Iraq: ‘Simply Be Quiet, Say Nothing’
Gingrich’s Advice To Bush On Iraq: ‘Simply Be Quiet, Say Nothing’
This morning, Steve Thomma of McClatchy wrote that “When pressing a tough sale, Bush is a lousy salesman.” “He’s never really sold the country or Congress something it didn’t already want. And when he’s tried to sell something the people or the politicians didn’t want, he’s fallen flat,” wrote Thomma.
Thomma’s thesis gained a high profile supporter earlier today: Newt Gingrich. Speaking at an American Spectator breakfast, the former Speaker of the House offered some words of advice for how President Bush can gain support for the Iraq war — “Simply be quiet, say nothing:”
Newt Gingrich is offering President Bush some interesting advice about winning support for the Iraq war: The president, he says, should stop talking about it. “Simply be quiet, say nothing” is what the former Republican leader is urging. Mr. Bush instead should leave the war talk to General David Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker, who have much more credibility with both Democrats and Republicans. [...]
“Petraeus and Crocker will get a better deal on Iraq than Bush, and it will be much harder for the Democrats to oppose Petraeus and Crocker,” Mr. Gingrich said.
This isn’t the first time Gingrich has suggested that silence is the best route for conservatives to push their agenda. In May, Gingrich advised his fellow right wingers to avoid talking about Iraq, Katrina, Walter Reed, the U.S. attorneys, and Bush:
Well, President Bush is not the future. He’s not a solution…The Republicans have to say, this is not what we want to debate. It’s not in Baghdad, it’s not in Katrina, it’s not at Walter Reed, it’s not with the U.S. attorneys.
While it may be refreshing to see Bush “simply be quiet,” not talking about Iraq is hardly a solution. The U.S. needs to set a course towards a responsible redeployment out of the middle of a bloody civil war.
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If W stops talking, we can at least be sure he’s not lying.
July 23rd, 2007 at 3:58 pmClinton lied everytime his lips moved.
July 23rd, 2007 at 3:58 pmThese are not the droids you’re looking for…
July 23rd, 2007 at 3:59 pmWow. So Newt is essentially counseling the President to act like it never happened.
Should he go so far as denying that he ever authorized the invasion of Iraq? It might sound outlandish, but we all know he’s capable of it.
“Iraq? I’m not familiar with the place. I wasn’t at any of the meetings where it was discussed. You’ll have to talk to Gen. Petreaus abot it. i’m kinda out of the loop. Heh heh heh.”
July 23rd, 2007 at 3:59 pmHere’s one for you Newt:
Vifil yor er iz gegangn oyf di fis zol er geyn af di hent un di iberike zol er zikh sharn oyf di hintn.
July 23rd, 2007 at 3:59 pmHas the old ignore the elephant in the room strategy ever worked?
July 23rd, 2007 at 3:59 pmAs if Gingrich could keep quiet.
July 23rd, 2007 at 3:59 pmIt’s all Clinton’s fault.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:00 pmClinton lied everytime his lips moved.
Comment by The Eck — July 23, 2007 @ 3:58 pm
I guess we won’t be seeing The Hack resorting to his favorite “Clinton said Iraq had WMD” argument anymore, since if Clinton said it, The Hack is sure it was a lie.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:00 pmNewtie want bushie to pull a Sgt. Schultz: I see nothing . . . nothing.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:01 pmYes, as I’ve often said over the past decade, Newt Gringrich is not good for our open, democratic society. He is an ideologue powermonger who only cares to rule, not to lead. -Kevo
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:02 pmMost Americans want to wait for the september report before making any changes in Iraq.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:02 pmThink they mostly don’t want Bush talking. Every time he does the Republicans drop a little farther in the polls.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:02 pmEck: Do you really think bushie gives a rat’s ass about what most Americans think?
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:03 pmla la la la la la la….
Iraq I don’t hear you, go away….talk to someone else I am not listening to you….
wow, politics from the six year old perspective is being cited as wise advise for the right…you guys are really loosing it.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:03 pmThe surge is working !!!!
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:04 pmYou got that right, Eck.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:04 pmJust like the little kid who breaks the lamp – hide it, deny you did it and hope that it goes away……….
Nice foreign policy, except for the lamp.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:04 pmMost Americans want to wait for the september report before making any changes in Iraq.
Comment by The Eck
You don’t even try to keep up, do you? It’s not September anymore, according to the Bushies. Nothing new until November.
Maybe. Or maybe next year.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:05 pm“Do you really think bushie gives a rat’s ass about what most Americans think?”
Most people that turned out to vote, voted for Bush.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:05 pmSilent but deadly. Is that how Newt wants Bush to deal ‘em? Too bad Newtie–we saw Georgie lift a cheek. And BOY did we smell it.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:06 pmSheesh! I have been wishing Bush would stop talking since he before he even got into office! ;-)
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:06 pmYeah Newt. If he just ignores it, it will go away!!
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:07 pmIf the chymp could keep his foot out of his mouth long enough to shut it, then the LyingBastardLizard boy may be right.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:07 pm“Sheesh! I have been wishing Bush would stop talking since he before he even got into office! ;-)”
So did Al Gore. He lost all three debates to Bush.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:07 pm20: You still didn’t answer the question. Does bushie give a sh@t was Americans think? Or is he still the Deciderer?
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:07 pmThe Eck,
“Most people that turned out to vote, voted for Bush.”
Oh, I thought that was Gore that most voted for. My bad.
(idiot)
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:08 pm“Clinton lied everytime his lips moved.
Comment by The Eck — July 23, 2007″
Another victim of Compulsive Clinton Obsession Disorder.
-GSD
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:08 pm25: but about that popular vote . . .
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:09 pmThe surge is working !!!!
Comment by Eck — July 23, 2007 @ 4:04 pm
You got that right, Eck.
Comment by Ringo — July 23, 2007 @ 4:04 pm
Given the timing between the two posts, I find it funny, that one person is trying to be two people to prop up their nonsensical argument.
On topic; America ain’t buying what Bush is selling. We are tired of war, and scandal, and high prices.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:09 pmInteresting way to have a lively political discourse (which even Shrub said is vital to democracy) – just refuse to say anything about the topic at hand. Perhaps screen the people asking questions —
—ooohh wait – they already do screen the people in the audience.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:10 pmI am not Eck.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:10 pm“Oh, I thought that was Gore that most voted for. My bad.”
Gore DID NOT get a majority of the vote.
Bush did in 04, though.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:10 pmI am not Ringo.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:11 pmInjured Iraq war vets sue VA over delays
# Group accuses VA secretary of breaking law by denying them disability pay
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:11 pm# Vets accuse VA of allegedly working with Pentagon to misclassify PTSD
# VA spokesman says he can’t comment on pending lawsuit
# VA backlog of disability payments now between 400,000 and 600,000
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/07/23/veterans.lawsuit.ap/index.html?eref=rss_topstories#
“Another victim of Compulsive Clinton Obsession Disorder.”
There is nothing obsessive about pointing out Clinton is a liar. He lied under oath.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:12 pmGoTFreeDUMB?NOT!, that suit is going to go the way of Valorie Plame’s.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:13 pmThe guy who can’t shut up advising someone else to keep quiet? Oh, sweet gods of irony, I offer you blessings and salutations!
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:13 pmAnd lying about a bj is much more vital to our country than lying about why we invaded Iraq. Grow up little man.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:13 pmYeah, shut up George. Once upon a time you had a bullhorn. Now just shut up. Shut up. Nobody has been smoked out of their holes. Nothing has been accomplished. Go sit in the corner and think about what you’ve done.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:14 pm“Interesting way to have a lively political discourse”
What is there to discuss anymore? Either the Dems want to end the war or they don’t. Stop talking about it already and act, if you have the balls.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:14 pmGiven the timing between the two posts, I find it funny, that one person is trying to be two people to prop up their nonsensical argument.
Comment by Krazny — July 23, 2007 @ 4:09 pm
Yeah, I noticed that, also. Whether it’s posting as Mr.President, CT_V1, theJoker, or other names, it always addresses itself:
for example…
I am not Eck.
Comment by ringo — July 23, 2007 @ 4:10 pm
I am not Ringo.
Comment by Eck — July 23, 2007 @ 4:11 pm
(Yawn)
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:15 pmWhen does school start, again?
I am not Ringo.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:15 pm“And lying about a bj is much more vital to our country than lying about why we invaded Iraq.”
The two aren’t comparible. Because Bush did not lie us into war. Clinton did lie under oath, though.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:15 pmII wasn’t the Walrus
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:15 pmIf you have the balls, cause I sure don’t.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:15 pmThe only reason Bush hasn’t lied under oath, is they can’t get him to testify under oath. Funny how executive privilege seems to be so important when it is a republican president don’t you think Ringo/Eck/Mr. President/etc…
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:16 pmThe Eck,
You are truly dumb. From the FEC website
Bush received 50,456,002 votes
Gore received 50,999,897 votes
You do understand the principals of greater than less than don’t you?
Who got more votes?
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:16 pmNewt Gringrich is not good for our open, democratic society
Maybe an open, democratic society isn’t such a great idea after all. It is quite amazing that we feel so confident in this system considering that a significant fraction of voters consists of borderline idiots with low attention span and no ability to reason in a logical manner.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:16 pmWhen does school start, again?
Comment by DRxJ — July 23, 2007 @ 4:15 pm
I can’t wait!!
Oh…..you mean for them. Yeah, I can’t wait. :)
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:16 pmThe Eck,
“He lied under oath.”
Who, Scooter Libby?
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:17 pmI didn’t lie us into war!
I just fibbed a little.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:17 pm“Nobody has been smoked out of their holes.”
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:17 pmSo my dear little boy, Eck, why did we invade Iraq?
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:17 pm#
If you have the balls, cause I sure don’t.
Comment by Eck — July 23, 2007 @ 4:15 pm
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:17 pmFEmale EH?
Will the “War Czar” have anything to say? Is he still around?
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:17 pmCrump,
Bush 51%
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:18 pmKerry 48%
The trolls are getting restless.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:18 pmThe surge is working !!!!
Comment by Eck — July 23, 2007 @ 4:04 pm
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:18 pm——————————————-
You cot damn right!!!!!!!!
I think that I’ll write a new manual, “The Care and Feeding of Sub-Par Trolls”:
Chapter 1: DON’T
There, all done!
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:18 pm“Eck, why did we invade Iraq?”
For about 20 reasons.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:18 pmFor God’s sake, leave poor Ringo alone! He just wants to pretend that he has a friend on an online forum. Is that so bad?
You all have pointed out that he hasn’t a lick of sense, nor does he have two facts to rub together, so what is he left with? At least let him pretend that SOMEONE agrees with him.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:18 pmWhen’s lunch?
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:19 pmThe Eck,
“He lied under oath.â€
Who, Scooter Libby?
Comment by Crump’s Brother
no, Bill Clinton.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:19 pmYou’ve got to love what Newt thinks of the intelligence of the American people. If Mr. Bush stops talking about Iraq, we’ll all forget it! Once I was afraid he’d rise to power again. Scratch that fear! As I’ve said before, the Republican party has become a slow-motion train wreck. Its amusing to watch Newt try and make reality conform to his beliefs. Its sad to watch Mr. Bush become the Amazing Shrinking President! I’m just cringing thinking about the next chapter of the Incredible Idiocy Competition. The prize must be a doozy, as the competition’s just so intense!
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:19 pmImpeach Bush and Cheney and Save the Constitution!
Comment by Krazny — July 23, 2007 @ 4:16 pm
Clinton lied under oath.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:19 pmThe trolls are getting restless.
Comment by Menehune — July 23, 2007 @ 4:18 pm
That’s what happens when their tapioca is late.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:20 pmThe president, he says, should stop talking about it. “Simply be quiet, say nothing†is what the former Republican leader is urging
Shhhhhhhhhhh! Yes, let us be very, very quiet. then maybe the families of 3500+ dead soldiers won’t grieve so much.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:20 pmIt would be like nothing ever happened
La la, la, la la! I can’t hear you!
Eck: Think the Grand Old Pervert party is going let bushie speak at the convention in 2008?
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:20 pmNot if Newtie has his way.
LMAOAITC (AITC: at idiotic troll comments)
Funny
That is the same thing he says to Candice, his lesbian sister.
That is the same thing he said to his wife as she lay in a hospital bed with cancer and he was telling her he had been f*cking around on her.
Jack Jett
http://www.jackejett.com
Geroge Bush You Are Fired.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:20 pmClinton lied under oath.
Comment by Thrasymachos — July 23, 2007 @ 4:19 pm
So did Scooter. But then, you support a full pardon for Scooter, don’t you, Mr. Pee?
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:21 pmWho got more votes?
What’s your point? The absolute number of votes doesn’t matter. Electoral College does.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:21 pmGore DID NOT get a majority of the vote.
Bush did in 04, though.
Comment by The Eck
I’m sorry, but exactly what Universe do you live in?
Gore got a majority of the popular vote in 2000. 48.38% to GWB 47.87%.
This is fact.
The other fact is that Bush won the popular vote by 2.7%, which is the smallest margin of victory by an incumbent since 1828. He was a “wartime” incumbent and still managed to squeak by — and his approval ratings have been crashing ever since.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:21 pmLOL I never denied Clinton lied under oath. so you repetitive name changing and reposting is pointless. I said now read very carefully; Bush has refused to be placed under oath to testify about anything, including 9/11. So the only reason Bush has not lied under oath, is because the haven’t been able to get him to swear an oath and testify. do you understand now?
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:22 pmEck: Think the Grand Old Pervert party is going let bushie speak at the convention in 2008?
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No, Bush is not going to speak at the Democrat convention.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:22 pmComment by Zooey — July 23, 2007 @ 4:16 pm
Ohhhhh, the stories I could tell about my college years ;-)
but, this is not the thread (and I sure as hell don’t want to get our resident name changer over heated, and I really, really, REALLY don’t want St.Daryll to suddenly appear, and start chastising)
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:22 pmI would argue that Bush has been “saying nothing” for a good 6 years now with regards to the war. He only gives empty rhetoric and pats on the back to people without ever adding anything of substance. He gives non-answers to all questions, refuses anybody who wants real info. This administration is easily the most secretive in history.
In fact, I would argue that Bush’s poling is so low BECAUSE of his secretiveness and silence. Maybe Bush should finally just come clean and start telling the truth to the American people. We may not like it but at least he will shed the image of being a secretive and manipulative liar who doesn’t care about the constitution OR the will of the people.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:23 pmI’m sorry, but exactly what Universe do you live in?
Gore got a majority of the popular vote in 2000. 48.38% to GWB 47.87%.
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Do you know what a majority means?
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:23 pmThe surge is working !!!!
Comment by Eck — July 23, 2007 @ 4:04 pm
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You got that right, Eck.
Comment by Ringo — July 23, 2007 @ 4:04 pm
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You’re both right!!!
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:24 pmEck: Your about as clever as a pig with a pocket watch.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:24 pmSince Clinton is portrayed by the right as immoral and incompetent in his presidential endeavor, why do they continuously compare the Bush administration to his? It seems as though Clinton holds the bar that the Bushies aspire to, and find themselves seriously lacking.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:24 pmThe Eck,
“no Bill Clinton”
Was he convicted? No? Was Libby? Yes!
Who’s the liar? They both are. See I can say it. You can’t!
Gore 48.38%
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:24 pmBush 47.87%
The surge is working !!!!
Comment by Eck — July 23, 2007 @ 4:04 pm
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You got that right, Eck.
Comment by Ringo — July 23, 2007 @ 4:04 pm
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You’re both right!!!
Comment by Thrasymachos
The three of you… errr, the one of you are/is WRONG!!
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:25 pmToo bad Mark Foley didn’t know what “majority” was.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:25 pm# 80: It’s simple, the republics are a bunch of screw ups and the only way to save face is to divert attention to Clinton.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:25 pmThe Eck,
“no Bill Clintonâ€
Was he convicted? No? Was Libby? Yes!
Who’s the liar? They both are. See I can say it. You can’t!
Gore 48.38%
Bush 47.87%
Comment by Crump’s Brother
Clinton should have been convicted.
Bush won Florida by every recount in 2000.
In ‘04:
Bush 51%
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:26 pmFlip Flop 48%
helenahandbasket, your sense of humor is as lame as Al Gore’s.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:27 pmCall Congress Today for Impeachment
We’ve reached the impeachment moment for Vice President Dick Cheney. We’ve pushed the cosponsor list for H. Res. 333 up to 14. Chairman John Conyers says that if we get 3 more he’ll begin the impeachment proceedings.
And many Congress Members must be recognizing that there is no other path available. Cheney and Bush have repeatedly refused to comply with subpoenas, ordered former staffers not to comply, and announced that the Justice Department will not enforce contempt citations from Congress. When a special prosecutor attempted to hold this administration accountable, Cheney’s chief of staff obstructed justice, and Cheney persuaded Bush to commute his sentence. There is no course left for Congress but Impeachment.
On Monday, July 23rd, the fifth anniversary of the meeting that produced the Downing Street Minutes, Cindy Sheehan, Ray McGovern, Rev. Lennox Yearwood, Ann Wright, Debra Sweet, Dave Lindorff, David Swanson, Jodie Evans, Medea Benjamin, Kevin Zeese, and Tina Richards will lead a march to Chairman Conyers office and not leave until he agrees to begin impeachment proceedings.
If you cannot be there, you can take two minutes on Monday and do two things: phone Chairman Conyers at 202-225-5126 and ask him to start the impeachment of Dick Cheney; and phone your own Congress Member at 202-224-3121 and ask them to immediately call Conyers’ office to express their support for impeachment. Your Congress Member might be one of the three needed, not just to keep impeachment activists out of jail but to keep this nation from devolving into dictatorship.
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July 23rd, 2007 at 4:27 pmNut Gingrich
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:27 pmVery telling:
“Well, President Bush is not the future. He’s not a solution…The Republicans have to say, this is not what we want to debate. It’s not in Baghdad, it’s not in Katrina, it’s not at Walter Reed, it’s not with the U.S. attorneys. Newt”
The cold blooded lizard understands that Bush and his policies have no place in the future of the republican party. He doesn’t understand that the republican party is being held accountable for the above items he doesn’t want to talk about.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:28 pmDo you know what a majority means?
Comment by The Eek, it’s Mr.President — July 23, 2007 @ 4:23 pm
Why yes, but we will dumb it down for you.
There is a total of 7 apples. Al gets 3 & 3/4ths apples, Georgie gets 3 & 1/4th.
Who got the majority of apples?
(When the hell does school start!)
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:28 pmheres hoping that Newt jumps in so we can Rudi with 3 wives and Newt with his 3 wives. Man, it would make a great groupie orgy.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:28 pmPeople who think that using the prosecutors’ definition of “sexual relations” to claim you did not have sexual relations is on the same level as lying us into a war killing one million people, costing $2.2 Trillion, and increasing terrorism—–are massively sexually repressed and beyond all reason.
And, by the way, Eisenhower banged his chauffeur.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:28 pm“Too bad Mark Foley didn’t know what “majority†was.”
Good point.
Neither did Mel Reynolds.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:28 pmThe funny bit, is Clinton did lie under oath, and he is still way more popular then George Bush will ever hope to be. Has any other president managed to royally screw up like Bush? I mean 90% to 30% in what? 6 years?
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:29 pm“There is nothing obsessive about pointing out Clinton is a liar. He lied under oath.
Comment by The Eck”
Yes, he did and was impeached for it.
Get over it.
Scooter did too, and was convicted. But *somebody* let him off the hook.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:29 pmDo you know what a majority means?
Comment by The Eck
Point. Gore got a plurality. Neither got a majority. However, Gore did have more votes than Bush.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:29 pmEck: Care to take a poll?
Ok, people, is Eck funnier than I?
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:29 pmwhy do they continuously compare the Bush administration to his?
Because the left is demonizing Bush whereas, when it comes to Clinton, he is the left’s hero. But Clinton let over 800,000 Tutsis in Rwanda die, and he lied under oath, and Bush is working to prevent genocide, and he has never lied under oath.
It’s more double standards and hypocrisy from the left that we point out.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:30 pmAll this talk of votes yet no one talks about the machinations the GOP put into suppressing votes. Even stealing elections he barely won in 2004.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:30 pmFan_of_Man,
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:30 pmPelosi said impeachment if off the table. Get a life.
Eck: Think the Grand Old Pervert party is going let bushie speak at the convention in 2008?
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No, Bush is not going to speak at the Democrat convention.
Comment by The Eck — July 23, 2007 @ 4:22 pm
HAHAHA! Did you see what The Hack did here? He was asked about the “Grand Old Pervert Party” convention, and he pretended that he thought they were talkking about the Democrats! HAHAHA!
Because, you see, there have been so many Democrats in the news lately for sexual crimes and perversions. Like… um… like… oh, give me a minute… oh! Like Mark Foley (D-FL)! –What? He really is a Republican? That can’t be! I saw it on Faux News! It said very clearly “Mark Foley (D-FL)!
Oh, okay, I’ll take your word for it… Well, how about Ted Haggard? He’s a pervert so he MUST be a D, right? No? What about that other guy in Florida who was busted for soliciting sex in a public men’s room? Oh, Republican too, eh?
You know, there should be a list of public officials with sex or moral scandals. I bet a couple of them would be Dems.
Anyway, nice try, Hack. Better luck with your NEXT unsubstantiated charge.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:30 pmI think 4pm must be shift change at the TrollCenter. The second shift must consist of teens who work after they get out of summer school or work-release prisoners perhaps. Every day you get Smeagol and Gollum fighting with each other. Nassty business. Spewing five-year old talking points.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:30 pm“The surge is working !!!!”
Comment by Eck — July 23, 2007 @ 4:04 pm
dubya’s exact words on saturday as the sigmoidoscope was advanced.
Quiet? No!
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:30 pmSay nothing? Pretty much!
well, this may just backfire on ol’ newtie…
if dumby follows his usual course of obstinate determination,
he’ll be saying “well i’ll show him!”…
not sure if that’s a good thing… for anybody…
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:31 pm…
I would really, really like Newt to take his own advice and STFU.
The GOP is dead, man, bury it already before it starts stinking up the place.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:31 pm“Impeachment”
For what? On what grounds?
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:31 pmClinton did not lie under oath. He was found not guilty. A judge later ruled that it was immaterial anyway and therefore could not be perjury if he did.
Newt once told a campaign worker to give him a bj, because then he could honestly say they never slept together.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:32 pm101: Not to mention, that esteemed grand old pervert, senator vitter.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:32 pm# 80: It’s simple, the republics are a bunch of screw ups and the only way to save face is to divert attention to Clinton.
Comment by helenahandbasket — July 23, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
Don’t they realize that these comparisons show how weak and shallow their arguments are? Don’t they realize that the Clinton did too reaction just shows that they are incapable of rational and critical thinking? Don’t they realize that most 2 year olds are taught that defense is cowardly?
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:32 pmThe surge is working !!!!
Comment by Eck — July 23, 2007 @ 4:04 pm
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You got that right, Eck.
Comment by Ringo — July 23, 2007 @ 4:04 pm
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You’re both right!!!
Comment by Thrasymachos — July 23, 2007 @ 4:24 pm
OMG, it’s the dreaded 3-Headed Troll Monster! Run for your lives!
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:33 pm“The funny bit, is Clinton did lie under oath, and he is still way more popular then George Bush will ever hope to be.”
Clinton never got a majority of the vote when he ran.
Bush did in 2004.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:33 pmHear no evil, see no evil, and say no evil. They are primates. Oh, I mean monkeys.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:34 pm109: Eck/Mr. P/ Ringo/CV_V1 and their minions don’t think so.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:34 pmI guess those three million who voted for Nader in 2000 would have really preferred W over Gore?!?
Exit polls said Gore won Florida by 7% or 300,000 votes.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:34 pmOMG, it’s the dreaded 3-Headed Troll Monster! Run for your lives!
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — July 23, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
Too bad it has only a half a brain.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:35 pmBush won Florida by every recount in 2000.
Comment by The Eck — July 23, 2007 @ 4:26 pm
That is a flat-out LIE.
“But the study also found that whether dimples are counted or a more restrictive standard is used, a statewide tally favored Gore by 60 to 171 votes.”
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:35 pmWhen an executive fails to continue to inform the people whom he represents, it’s time for him to go. If this is the best advice anyone can give him, then it’s surely “impeachment time”.
An argument can easily be made, however, that even when Bush is speaking, he is saying nothing, eh?
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:36 pmBush only won in 2004 if you believe the machines made by Republican companies who refuse to allow them to be examined.
Exit polls of over 70,000 voters said Kerry won by 3.0% or three million votes. They are accurate to about 0.2%. It is extremely impossible for them to be off by 3.0%
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:36 pm“Impeachmentâ€
For what? On what grounds?
Comment by Thrasymachos — July 23, 2007 @ 4:31 pm
How many times are you going to ask that, Mr. pee? You’ve gotten a reply each time. Do you just not bother to investigate or are you that thick?
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:36 pmGingrich’s strategy is a basic marketing strategy — one that any first-year marketing student learns. You play down the negatives associated with your product (that would be Bush, Cheney, the war in Iraq, U.S. Attorneys, Katrina, Walter Reed, etc.), and you play up the positives.
So this means Repub candidates should focus on the positive things that Bush, Cheney, and the GOP have done for the country. This list would include: tax cuts for the rich (no – we need something the middle class can get behind), prescription drug coverage for Medicare recipients (Ok, this one’s better, but there are a bunch of elderly people out there whose heads are still spinning from trying to figure that whole thing out), and…and…and… (somebody want to help me out here?)
OH, YEAH!! 9/11!! 9/11!! 9/11!!
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:37 pmImpeachment: Lying to the people and fabricating a case for an illegal occupation of a sovereign nation resulting in 4,000 deaths of our military would be a good starting point for immediate impeachment – one would think!
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:37 pmI’ve been trying to tell Bush much the same thing for 6 1/2 years: “Shut your cake hole, dumba$$.” He hasn’t listened to me either.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:37 pmKeith G: I hear ya! Bush neither won in 2004 or 2000. Go to blackboxvoting.org or bradblog.com for some juicy details of just how criminal this GOP actually is.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:38 pmKatherine and Jeb kicked thousands off the rolls because they were black.
The US Supreme Court did not have jurisdiction, but took the case anyway.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:39 pmThat impeachment petition must really be getting the business today! I’ve had people calling me that they can’t get through. Keep those lines buzzin’, buddies.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:39 pmFor those who may have missed it, the official Bush White House & RNC approved list of Republican talking points on Iraq has gotten a bit of a make-over in the past few days.
For the full list of the latest GOP approved Iraq falsehoods, smears and hallucinations, see:
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:40 pm“The Official Republican Iraq Talking Points.”
KeithG: You must mean the little manage-a-trois Katherine Harris with Jebbie and Georgie! Their little liaisons are legion in the state of Florida….that is, until they decided that she was toxic to them and began to snub her. Poor, poor Katherine!
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:40 pmhellinahandbasket,
The trolls are funny, in a twisted sort of way. Like the throwback bum in the circus who would bite the head off a chicken to get enough money to buy another pint. More pathetic than funny, have a little compassion people. These are the losers who never fit in, the zit faced skinny punks who have no self esteem. They have to rely on a father figure to tell them what to do.
Pity the poor trolls. They are so devoid of attention that they will do anything to fill that hole in their souls, even posting nonsense to get a rise.
I had a dog once who would eat her own shit and vomit it up on the porch for attention. Just like a troll, it didn’t matter what kind of attention. We had to finally put a hole in her cranium to match the hole in her soul.
Trolls? Picking up any clues here? Just saying…………
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:40 pmLook at the study by Steven Freeman. It is extremely impossible for the exit polls to be off the degree and the manner in which they allegedly were in 2004.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:41 pmGore won the popular vote; Kerry won the exit polls. In each instance, while we slept the GOP gremlins and criminals went to work on the machines….and voila! We got X’d! We got the worst president ever in the history of this country, that’s what we got. And one whose psychiatric pathology is now tanking this country along with him.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:42 pmOh my god! Did I hear him say “The surge is working”?!?
Under the bed!
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:42 pmKeith G: It’s been shown that the exit polls in 2004 were “fixed around the results they wanted” in order for there not to be mayhem and an obvious tampering.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:42 pmAnother reason Mr. Newt is retired.
Poll: American Support for War Inches Up (Rats,”stop the surge, it’s working and we might win”)
nytimes
American support for the war in Iraq has risen somewhat as the White House has continued to ask the public to reserve judgment about the war until General David Petraeus files his report in the fall. In a New York Times/CBS News poll conducted over the weekend, 42 percent of Americans said taking military action in Iraq was the right thing to do, while 51 percent said the United States should have stayed out of Iraq. Support had been at all time low in May, when only 35 percent of Americans said the United States’ involvement in Iraq was the right thing and 61 percent said the United States should have stayed out. Still, the latest poll made clear that a two-thirds majority of Americans continue to say the war is going badly. However, the number of people who say the war is going “very badly†has fallen from 45 percent earlier in July to a current reading of 35 percent, and of those who say it is going well, 29 percent now describe it as “somewhat well†compared to 23 percent just last week.
(Excerpt) Read more at thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com …
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:42 pmThus the brilliant verse by Thomas Hobbes vis-a-vis our stolen elections and the Bush Debacle: “Where men build on false grounds, the more they build the greater is the ruin”….prima facie evidence of this theory all around us today.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:43 pmand the DailyKos founder goes after the left wing lunatics, 99.9% of the Liberals that post here and various other left wing sites……this is funny!
hahahaha!!!! even Kos considers left wingers complete lunatics….
“With us or against us”
by kos
Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 10:30:19 AM PDT
There has lately been an alarming rise in diaries and comments that seek to impugn (without evidence) the motives of those they disagree with on various issues.
Yes, there’s the impeachment stuff, but this nasty rhetoric is also rampant in the primary war diaries.
This points to a serious breakdown not just on civility, but in the ability of people to properly debate various issues. As such, it presents a serious threat to the integrity of this site.
I much prefer it when the community moderates itself, and for the most part it does a good job of this. The libertarian in me prefers it that way. But sometimes, self-moderation isn’t enough. I’ll act swiftly and mercilessly when I’m pushed into defending the effectiveness of this site. And at this moment, my patience is wearing thin.
Reasonable people, including progressives, can disagree on many of the big issues we face today — from which candidate to support in the primary, to whether impeachment is the best way to hold this administration accountable, to the merit of gun control or free trade agreements, to how to handle immigration, to whatever else faces our nation. As a site, we strive to provide a safe haven for debate on these matters without it getting — as has happened of late — so damn ugly.
This is my one and only warning on the matter. I’ll try to be an optimist and hope that this is the last time I’ll have to address it. I won’t let this site become as nasty as your typical usenet forum, and those who encourage that sort of environment should consider themselves duly warned.
Update: And no, Bush won’t cancel the next round of elections to remain in power. That’s about the most ridiculous conspiracy theory I’ve seen in a long time. Some people on our side can be just as “out there” as the “black helicopter” crowd.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:44 pmFan of the Man has done his part by copying and pasting his copy points IN BOLD on every topic on the board today. Have you done your part and followed his directions?
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:44 pmThe surge is working – what surge? How working? What’s the plan? Who’s on first?
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:44 pmThe Bush Administration is beginning to look like a cipher these days.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:44 pmnanlichi, nice post.
It does help to take a look at the trolls, at what kind of life they must lead, and feel appropriate pity for them. They are a sad lot.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:44 pmKeithG: In Ohio it was Ken Blackwell who did the dirty work and has yet to be investigated for his part in the stolen election of 2004.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:46 pmDemocrats are gonna have to surge to prevent an American victory.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:46 pmGore won the popular vote; Kerry won the exit polls. In each instance, while we slept the GOP gremlins and criminals went to work on the machines….and voila! We got X’d! We got the worst president ever in the history of this country, that’s what we got. And one whose psychiatric pathology is now tanking this country along with him.
Comment by veritas — July 23, 2007 @ 4:42 pm
This is the type of left wing lunatic that DailyKos founder is talking about….hahahahahahaha!!!
yes veritas Bush, who you call an incompetent fool, was able to fool all of america and steal both elections.
c’mon Liberals you can’t have it both ways….either Bush is a genius that fooled all of America and stole two elections, or he is an incompetent fool that can’t do anything right.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:46 pmSome nice straws you are grasping at their Frank. Up a whopping 6% on a poll that may already be +-3%. hmmmmm Well have fun while the remaining 70% leave in you in the dust.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:46 pmAnd do not, repeat, do not talk about how you left your first and second marriages, right Newtie?
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:47 pmBut it is Bush’s war!
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:47 pmEven the DailyKos considers many left wingers pure and utter lunatics….hahahaha!!!!!
“With us or against us”
by kos
Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 10:30:19 AM PDT
There has lately been an alarming rise in diaries and comments that seek to impugn (without evidence) the motives of those they disagree with on various issues.
Yes, there’s the impeachment stuff, but this nasty rhetoric is also rampant in the primary war diaries.
This points to a serious breakdown not just on civility, but in the ability of people to properly debate various issues. As such, it presents a serious threat to the integrity of this site.
I much prefer it when the community moderates itself, and for the most part it does a good job of this. The libertarian in me prefers it that way. But sometimes, self-moderation isn’t enough. I’ll act swiftly and mercilessly when I’m pushed into defending the effectiveness of this site. And at this moment, my patience is wearing thin.
Reasonable people, including progressives, can disagree on many of the big issues we face today — from which candidate to support in the primary, to whether impeachment is the best way to hold this administration accountable, to the merit of gun control or free trade agreements, to how to handle immigration, to whatever else faces our nation. As a site, we strive to provide a safe haven for debate on these matters without it getting — as has happened of late — so damn ugly.
This is my one and only warning on the matter. I’ll try to be an optimist and hope that this is the last time I’ll have to address it. I won’t let this site become as nasty as your typical usenet forum, and those who encourage that sort of environment should consider themselves duly warned.
Update: And no, Bush won’t cancel the next round of elections to remain in power. That’s about the most ridiculous conspiracy theory I’ve seen in a long time. Some people on our side can be just as “out there” as the “black helicopter” crowd.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:47 pmThrasymachos: “Clinton lied under oath.”
First, nobody died as a result of the above, except maybe from derisive laughter at the guy getting caught en flagrante with the proverbial pants around the ankles.
Second, I would very strongly suggest that you cease your attempts to equate Clinton’s fibs about extra-marital oral sex with Bush’s outright deceit of the American people — yourself included — regarding his administration’s underlying motives and ever-shifting rationales for war with Iraq, for which thousands of people have subsequently and needlessly lost their lives.
At this point in time, the only person you’re fooling with such legal non-sequiters is youself, which makes you sound like a silly right-wing yahoo who’s not worth listening to.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:47 pm#132 That’s a great article, frank jake. When you guys have to tout an article that reveals that 51% of Americans believe we should have stayed out of Iraq in the first damn place in order to support your pet project, you have to know you are truly grasping at straws.
Maybe you can collect enough to build your next straw man.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:47 pmGallup poll 7-10-07
62% : it was a mistake to send troops to Iraq
22% : surge has made things better
71% (including 42% of Republicans) : Remove all troops by April 1, 2008; 26% oppose
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:48 pmJUST IN: RESEARCH GALLOP POLL OF GEORGE W. BUSH: Numbers dropping like the Titanic – overall number:25%
Bush’s handling of the economy: 23% approve.
Looks like this lameduck is going to be an impeachment duck before long. Clearly, in the best interest of this country, we can no longer sustain a leader who is so totally rejected by the people he represents.
If we continue to allow the 75% majority to not be heard, then we will continue to get what we deserve – anger and disgust and people in the streets.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:48 pmFrank J,
Republicans have had their shot at getting this right, and because of them, it is beyond repair. Quit trying to put the failure that is Iraq on the Dems. This is the Republican’s war. You know that!
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:48 pmKeithG: Same page?? You took one part of it and I filled in the rest. Too funny.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:49 pm“Because the left is demonizing Bush whereas, when it comes to Clinton, he is the left’s hero. But Clinton let over 800,000 Tutsis in Rwanda die, and he lied under oath, and Bush is working to prevent genocide, and he has never lied under oath.
It’s more double standards and hypocrisy from the left that we point out.”
Comment by Thrasymachos — July 23, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
Okay all you “lefties” out there, a quick poll! How many of you consider Clinton a “hero”?
Bush is now the *Preventer* of genocides?!?! Oh really? You mean like in Darfur?
Double-standards? Hypocrisy? That would be you and the republican party.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:49 pmCue trolls with “Congress 14%” in 3, 2, 1…
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:50 pmIsn’t funny that even the founder of DailyKos considers you left wingers a bunch of crazy lunatics? hahahaha!!!!
“With us or against us”
by kos
Mon Jul 23, 2007 at 10:30:19 AM PDT
There has lately been an alarming rise in diaries and comments that seek to impugn (without evidence) the motives of those they disagree with on various issues.
Yes, there’s the impeachment stuff, but this nasty rhetoric is also rampant in the primary war diaries.
This points to a serious breakdown not just on civility, but in the ability of people to properly debate various issues. As such, it presents a serious threat to the integrity of this site.
I much prefer it when the community moderates itself, and for the most part it does a good job of this. The libertarian in me prefers it that way. But sometimes, self-moderation isn’t enough. I’ll act swiftly and mercilessly when I’m pushed into defending the effectiveness of this site. And at this moment, my patience is wearing thin.
Reasonable people, including progressives, can disagree on many of the big issues we face today — from which candidate to support in the primary, to whether impeachment is the best way to hold this administration accountable, to the merit of gun control or free trade agreements, to how to handle immigration, to whatever else faces our nation. As a site, we strive to provide a safe haven for debate on these matters without it getting — as has happened of late — so damn ugly.
This is my one and only warning on the matter. I’ll try to be an optimist and hope that this is the last time I’ll have to address it. I won’t let this site become as nasty as your typical usenet forum, and those who encourage that sort of environment should consider themselves duly warned.
Update: And no, Bush won’t cancel the next round of elections to remain in power. That’s about the most ridiculous conspiracy theory I’ve seen in a long time. Some people on our side can be just as “out there” as the “black helicopter” crowd.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:50 pmveritas,
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:50 pmAnd Blackwell seems to be in favor of a theocracy like the founders of two of the voting machine corps.
Eck/Mr. P/ Ringo/CV_V1 and their minions don’t think so.
Comment by helenahandbasket — July 23, 2007 @ 4:34 pm
Helena: “their” minions only applies if Eck/Mr. Pee/ Ringo/CV_V1 aren’t the same “person” (and I use that last word very lightly)… This troll might have 3 or 4 heads (and the associated usernames), but with only half a brain amongst the 3 or 4 heads, we keep getting the same drivel out of each its mouths…
Hey, I have an idea — let’s try NOT feeding any of its mouths and see if it goes away!
Yeah, I know — we’ve tried that before and it never works — it just grows another head and another username…
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:50 pmThanks spit take,
They must get a thrill when someone responds to their posts and pays attention to them. Kind of like having a conversation and a life, albeit vicariously.
What did these losers do before computers?
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:51 pmIt is an American war stupid against Islamo Fascism. You know the people the left didn’t want to fight in the 1990s.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:51 pmComment by Donald from Hawaii — July 23, 2007 @ 4:47 pm
The “Clinton did it too” has nothing to do with the war.
Bush went to war with the best intelligence he had at the time, he didn’t lie.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:51 pmClinton never got a majority of the vote when he ran.
Bush did in 2004.
Comment by The Eck — July 23, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
Clinton won both the popular vote, and electoral vote in both 92, and 96
http://presidentelect.org/e1992.html
http://presidentelect.org/e1996.html
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:51 pmhttp://www.bradblog.com/?p=4830#more-4830
KeithG: Check this one out! Anyone interested in the ongoing battle for election integrity needs to read this!
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:51 pmLooks like 42% of Republicans are included in the “all you lefties out there” !!!
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:52 pmBecause the left is demonizing Bush whereas, when it comes to Clinton, he is the left’s hero. But Clinton let over 800,000 Tutsis in Rwanda die, and he lied under oath, and Bush is working to prevent genocide, and he has never lied under oath.
It’s more double standards and hypocrisy from the left that we point out.
Comment by Thrasymachos — July 23, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
Why won’t Bush go on record? Why does Bush hate placing his hand on the bible and swearing to tell the truth? What does he have against the truth?
BTW, Bush is not preventing genocide….think Darfur.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:52 pmThrasymachos: “Clinton lied under oath.â€
First, nobody died as a result of the above, except maybe from derisive laughter at the guy getting caught en flagrante with the proverbial pants around the ankles.
Second, I would very strongly suggest that you cease your attempts to equate Clinton’s fibs about extra-marital oral sex with Bush’s outright deceit of the American people — yourself included — regarding his administration’s underlying motives and ever-shifting rationales for war with Iraq, for which thousands of people have subsequently and needlessly lost their lives.
At this point in time, the only person you’re fooling with such legal non-sequiters is youself, which makes you sound like a silly right-wing yahoo who’s not worth listening to.
Comment by Donald from Hawaii — July 23, 2007 @ 4:47 pm
Not much of a historian are you Donald from Hawaii!!!
Clinton lied, the UN lied and 800,000 Tutsis died in Rwanda. 1994 my ignorant friend, look it up.
While Clinton was doing interns and Kofi was stealing from the UN and in bed with Iraq, 800,000 Tutsis men, women and children were slaughtered.
Not much of a historian are you, eh?
don’t worry, most left wingers aren’t.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:52 pmYou can quote your poll numbers all you want.
But I have always chosen to believe the New York Times and CBS.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:52 pm“Congress 14%†in 3, 2, 1…
Comment by mikey r — July 23, 2007 @ 4:50 pm
Bush is more popular than Congress.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:52 pmWhat did these losers do before computers?
Comment by nanlichi — July 23, 2007 @ 4:51 pm
Nan: I think they hung out around playgrounds and leered longingly at the little kids. Luckily, now that they just do that remotely until they get caught on Dateline NBC, the kids are somewhat safer…
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:52 pmClinton never got a majority of the vote when he ran.
Bush did in 2004.
Comment by The Eck — July 23, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
Clinton won both the popular vote, and electoral vote in both 92, and 96
http://presidentelect.org/e1992.html
http://presidentelect.org/e1996.html
Comment by Krazny — July 23, 2007 @ 4:51 pm
Clinton never received over 50% of the votes in both of his elections. kerry, al Gore, and Bush all received more votes than he ever did.
the fact is that if Perot wouldn’t have ran, Clinton would have never become President.
Clinton owes his Presidency to Perot.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:53 pmI hardly lied at all to get us into this war!
My friends did most of the lying for me!
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:53 pmBush is not preventing genocide….think Darfur.
Comment by Geeez — July 23, 2007 @ 4:52 pm
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:54 pm——————
The U.N. is on that problem. However, Iraq has been abandoned by most, except for the USA.
Bush is more popular than Congress.
Comment by Thrasymachos — July 23, 2007 @ 4:52 pm
And Bush is more popular than eating dogshi* sammiches, too, but not by much…so what’s your point?
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:54 pmYou know the people the left didn’t want to fight in the 1990s.
Comment by Frank Job — July 23, 2007 @ 4:51 pm
….and there you have it! The dumbest post of the day! (and we’ve quite a few to choose from)
when one can’t argue, then make $hit up!
Now, for bonus points, tell us how, during the Clinton administration when crime actually went down, was the result of Bush SR’s policy. (g’head, take your time…..we’re waiting!)
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:55 pmThe kids are safer and Jergen’s sales are way up.
Small price to pay to have to share cyberspace with pukes.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:55 pmIn your dreams. General Betrayus and Ryan Crocker have zero credibility with anyone other than the neoCONS and the Bush Administration.
I do agree with Gingrich, though, Bush should STFU. We are all getting really tired of his crying wolf and trying to rewrite history. I would really rather have him go away, but if he won’t do that, shutting up will certainly be a step in the right direction. Besides, every time he speaks, he puts his foot in his mouth. You would think he would have learned by now.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:55 pmIt is an American war stupid against Islamo Fascism. You know the people the left didn’t want to fight in the 1990s.
Comment by Frank J — July 23, 2007 @ 4:51 pm
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That’s correct. At times it seems as though the left actually WANTS Islamo-Fascists to win!
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:55 pmGingrich’s Advice To Bush On Iraq: ‘Simply Be Quiet, Say Nothing’
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:56 pmUse the Sergeant Schultz tacit, ‘I see nothing, nothing nothing!!!’
Sorry Newt that’s nothing new.
The vast majority of Iraqis wish the US would “abandon” them. The majority approve of attacks on US troops.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:56 pmSo what does that leave the republicans to debate???? Veterans care??? No, the VA is being sued by veterans. The weather??? No, their love of corporations is encouraging global warming. Family values???? Puhleeease!!!!
I think what Newt is really saying is ALL THE REPUBLICANS had better just shut up.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:56 pmPlease pay no attention to this video.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:57 pmI say Thrasymachos and Frank J are Mr. Pee.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:57 pm“General David Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker, who have much more credibility with both Democrats and Republicans. […]â€
In your dreams. General Betrayus and Ryan Crocker have zero credibility with anyone other than the neoCONS and the Bush Administration.
I do agree with Gingrich, though, Bush should STFU. We are all getting really tired of his crying wolf and trying to rewrite history. I would really rather have him go away, but if he won’t do that, shutting up will certainly be a step in the right direction. Besides, every time he speaks, he puts his foot in his mouth. You would think he would have learned by now.
Comment by bilbobaggins — July 23, 2007 @ 4:55 pm
No, Gen. Petraus has no credibility with the left wing lunatics. why? becausee Gen. Petraus said that our troops can win in Iraq and there is NOTHING greater than the left wing lunatics hate than our military being succesfull at anything.
The left wants America to lose, a fact that they love to deny.
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:57 pmNow Rummy trendy and trady: Desecration of corpses
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:59 pmThrasymachos, you are a mucho moron!
July 23rd, 2007 at 4:59 pmPlease stop making a fool of yourself.
Trasymachos: The only reason Bush is more popular than Congress is because Congress hasn’t impeached his sorry ass yet! Get a life!
July 23rd, 2007 at 5:00 pmThe U.N. is on that problem. However, Iraq has been abandoned by most, except for the USA.
Comment by Thrasymachos — July 23, 2007 @ 4:54 pm
I understand; I am hoping that the center will bring in the fringe on both sides and we can find a new way to heal the Iraqi wound and our sense of honor and decency. I happen to think that this surge in military force only is not the answer. The Iraqis need to take control and become responsible for their own future. I don’t think we can force that on them.
July 23rd, 2007 at 5:01 pm“Why does Bush hate placing his hand on the bible and swearing to tell the truth?”
Comment by Geeez — July 23, 2007 @ 4:52 pm
Because his hand will burn? (If we’re lucky he might just spontaneously combust.)
July 23rd, 2007 at 5:01 pmIf Miss Nancy doesn’t put impeachment on the table by the end of today, everyone I know will support Cindy Sheehan 100%.
July 23rd, 2007 at 5:01 pmIslamo-Fascists, the people Reagan, GHWBush, the CIA, Ollie North, Rumsfeld, Cheney and GWBush strongly supported for decades.
July 23rd, 2007 at 5:02 pmJane: I suspect that Bush has never told the whole truth in his entire life on any subject, any time.
July 23rd, 2007 at 5:02 pmThat’s why his dx as a pathological liar is becoming painfully obvious even to the most uninitiated.
July 23rd, 2007 at 5:03 pm“That’s correct. At times it seems as though the left actually WANTS Islamo-Fascists to win!”
Comment by Thrasymachos — July 23, 2007 @ 4:55 pm
The fascists are already in power, you idiot!
July 23rd, 2007 at 5:03 pmDRxJ — that post is dumb, absolutely. But i think the dumbest post of the day was this one, #26 in the David Brooks thread:
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He’s pulling facts “out of the air†the same way Feminists in the USA pull facts “out of the airâ€.
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Comment by bilbo — July 23, 2007 @ 2:49 pm
You gotta admit, that’s one dumb post.
July 23rd, 2007 at 5:03 pmThe impeachment clock is ticking – anyone know where Conyers stands at the close of the day? Any word from Sheehan’s camp yet?
July 23rd, 2007 at 5:04 pmThe U.N. is on that problem. However, Iraq has been abandoned by most, except for the USA.
Comment by Thrasymachos — July 23, 2007 @ 4:54 pm
I understand; I am hoping that the center will bring in the fringe on both sides and we can find a new way to heal the Iraqi wound and our sense of honor and decency. I happen to think that this surge in military force only is not the answer. The Iraqis need to take control and become responsible for their own future. I don’t think we can force that on them.
Comment by Geeez — July 23, 2007 @ 5:01 pm
I have to agree, Iraqis need to take responsability for their country and stop relying on the USA to take care of all their problems. AT the same time, how long did it take the United States of America to be a full, self-supporting Democracy?
think about that when you are calling on America to leave Iraq.
Furthermore, for those of you that say that the USA should get involved in Darfur because of genocide…..will you ask the USA to re-enter the Iraq theater if we leave and then it turns into a full fledge genocide?
What will the left do when Iraq turns into genocide country, will they demand that the USA re-enters to stop the genocide?
July 23rd, 2007 at 5:04 pmBush won Florida by every recount in 2000.
Comment by The Eck — July 23, 2007 @ 4:26 pm
That’s except the one carried by major newspapers under the FOI Act:
July 23rd, 2007 at 5:05 pmhttp://www.nytimes.com/images/2001/11/12/politics/recount/results/preset-v4.html
“That’s correct. At times it seems as though the left actually WANTS Islamo-Fascists to win!â€
Comment by Thrasymachos — July 23, 2007 @ 4:55 pm
PiP, I thought that you were going to stop using that phrase!
July 23rd, 2007 at 5:05 pm“That’s correct. At times it seems as though the left actually WANTS Islamo-Fascists to win!â€
Comment by Thrasymachos — July 23, 2007 @ 4:55 pm
The fascists are already in power, you idiot!
Comment by LividLib — July 23, 2007 @ 5:03 pm
LividLib,
you are one left wing lunatics, stop using words that are beyond your vocabulary. You show your lack of education when you claim that Bush and this administration are a fascist administration.
You have zero clue, like 99% of Liberals, of what you are talking about.
July 23rd, 2007 at 5:05 pmKeith,
Back in the 80’s those islamo-facists were called Freedom Fighters by Reagan.
July 23rd, 2007 at 5:06 pmKeithG: Ken Blackwell had an overt conflict of interest in being the State Supervisor of Elections in Ohio and acting as Head of the Bush/Cheney 04 campaign in his state. It’s also been shown that Diebold was a major contributor and player in Ohio who have now been shown to have intentionally created machinery which could be easily hacked.
July 23rd, 2007 at 5:06 pmKen Blackwell – Once again a government employee playing politics with his position! What do these morons NOT get about not mixing politics with their paid positions?
July 23rd, 2007 at 5:07 pmThe Iraqis need to take control and become responsible for their own future.
They do, I agree. I also think that the military surge is insufficient. The Iraqis need to find common ground and hopefully pull together as a nation. If they can not do this, many more will die in the name of ethnicity or religion.
July 23rd, 2007 at 5:07 pmNewt won’t let me say Islamo-Fascist anymore.
July 23rd, 2007 at 5:08 pmJust a few dead-enders in their last throes after the cakewalk mission is accomplished.
July 23rd, 2007 at 5:08 pmI say Thrasymachos and Frank J are Mr. Pee.
Comment by Keith G
Frank J, maybe. Thrasymachos definitely. It’s another attempt by PiPPy to convince people he really does know something about ancient philosophy, regardless of how stupid his comments may be.
Same troll, new name, same non-existent contribution.
July 23rd, 2007 at 5:09 pmI’m wondering when Katherine Harris will be fingered for her “part” in this coup on our democracy; after all, it began with her manipulations in Florida in 2000. Imagine where this country would be without these demonic individuals with thoroughly evil minds? Imagine having Al Gore as our president for these past 6 years?
July 23rd, 2007 at 5:09 pmIf Miss Nancy doesn’t put impeachment on the table by the end of today, everyone I know will support Cindy Sheehan 100%.
Comment by veritas — July 23, 2007 @ 5:01 pm
Oh good, then America will realize what a bunch of left wing lunatics you are.
Of course you left wing lunatics would support a woman that is an anti-semite, who supports a murdering pig like Hugo Chavez who hates freedom of speech and press.
Yes, by all means veritas, you and your left wing lunatics go support Cindy Sheehan.
July 23rd, 2007 at 5:09 pmKeithG and gummitch: You can take that assertion to the bank! I’ve analyzed the posting style and vocab and you are both right on the money. There’s NO DOUBT it’s the same vermin gerbil reinventing himself or playing “the 3 faces of eve” or “sybil”.
July 23rd, 2007 at 5:10 pmComment by veritas — July 23, 2007 @ 5:06 pm
Diebold’s CEO Wally O’Dell promised to deliver Ohio’s electoral votes for Bush.
One examination of their machines said they must have been made to be hackable. Even had an infra-red port.
July 23rd, 2007 at 5:11 pmAnyone else finding the TP threads a bit “threadbare” today? Wonder why? Off to some of the most exciting blog sites. Catch ya’ll later.
July 23rd, 2007 at 5:11 pmPiP, I thought that you were going to stop using that phrase!
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
PiPPy probably promised not to use “Islamostalinists.” Today’s comments should make it clear that his pretense at being reasonable over the weekend was too much to sustain. Y’all cut him way too much slack.
July 23rd, 2007 at 5:12 pmShe became known as “Katherine The Great” for her love of horses.
July 23rd, 2007 at 5:13 pmKeithG: One last word….It was created to be hacked with the port and was hacked. This we now know. But guess what? Nothing’s changing for 08 – the new paper trail billis a farce – check it out on blackboxvoting.org – the ones who did the HBO documentary “Hacking Democracy” and how the election was stolen by Bush.
The paper trail will concur with the hacked results inside – so, duh?? Also, if using the infamous “optiscanners” to calcuate the marked paper ballots, guess what? The optiscanners have software which is hackable.
So, I suppose it could be said that our 08 election will be hacked – again! The “fix” is probably already in.
July 23rd, 2007 at 5:14 pmThey do, I agree. I also think that the military surge is insufficient. The Iraqis need to find common ground and hopefully pull together as a nation. If they can not do this, many more will die in the name of ethnicity or religion.
Comment by Thrasymachos — July 23, 2007 @ 5:07 pm
How much time and how many lives, not to mention $$$$ are we to give? It’s been 4.5 years….They told us the beginning that it wouldn’t last 6 months. We need a new direction and all of this fighting with each other is counter productive. We are losing our sons and daughters over there. How many more?
July 23rd, 2007 at 5:16 pmGeez,
It will continue until the adults are back in power in 2009 and Boy George can run off without having to admit a mistake. That’s what we are losing our sons and daughters for, so this weak little man doesn’t have to admit he is, and always has been, a total failure.
July 23rd, 2007 at 5:26 pmThis article brings to mind the reputed aphorism of S.L. Clemens:
“It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt.”
(this quote also attributed to others, including one of the primogenitors of the Republican party).
Cheers,
July 23rd, 2007 at 5:27 pmNewtie boy should follow his own advice.
July 23rd, 2007 at 5:28 pmComment by Geeez — July 23, 2007 @ 5:16 pm
Hopefully as few as possible.
July 23rd, 2007 at 5:29 pmIt will continue until the adults are back in power in 2009 and Boy George can run off without having to admit a mistake. That’s what we are losing our sons and daughters for, so this weak little man doesn’t have to admit he is, and always has been, a total failure.
Comment by nanlichi — July 23, 2007 @ 5:26 pm
I hope that you are right, my greatest worry and fear is that it will be business as usual regardless of which party is elected. Peace.
July 23rd, 2007 at 5:32 pmPresident Bush has spent $340 billion to date on the war in Iraq. The plan to fight global poverty is underfunded by $19 billion and more than half the world’s population live on less than $1 a day. The Borgen Project is a non-profit organization working to bring political attention to global poverty. In 200 the United States along with the 190 other UN member nations agreed to the Millennium Development Goals which including the reduction of poverty by 50% worldwide before 2015. The US needs to hold up their end of the bargain.
July 23rd, 2007 at 5:38 pmAs a true elected President and Statesman Abraham Lincoln once said:
“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than speak and remove all doubt”
July 23rd, 2007 at 5:48 pmNewt is saying, “We don’t want to debate Iraq, Katrina, or any important issues facing the country. We only want to debate why you hate the troops.”
July 23rd, 2007 at 6:09 pmOhhhhh, the stories I could tell about my college years ;-)
but, this is not the thread (and I sure as hell don’t want to get our resident name changer over heated, and I really, really, REALLY don’t want St.Daryll to suddenly appear, and start chastising)
Comment by DRxJ — July 23, 2007 @ 4:22 pm
I’m gonna hold you to that! :-D
July 23rd, 2007 at 6:15 pmOh, that’s rich. By all means, advise the President of the US — elected to serve and lead our nation BY DEALING WITH THE IMPORTANT ISSUES AND PROBLEMS THAT ARISE throughout his term in office… And yet, Gingrich expects republicans to ignore — pretend that the challenges facing our country today are simply irrelevant? — Indeed, why worry their pretty little heads about the people who’ve died while fighting their goddamn Republican 100 Years War! What in the hell does this guy think Americans expect of their US presidents fer crying out loud — start wars for no reason before they get down to business handing out chewing gum at the malls?
July 23rd, 2007 at 6:20 pmComment by gummitch — July 23, 2007 @ 5:12 pm
PiP, I thought that you were going to stop using that phrase!
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
PiPPy probably promised not to use “Islamostalinists.†Today’s comments should make it clear that his pretense at being reasonable over the weekend was too much to sustain. Y’all cut him way too much slack.
Beware the smiling fox… er troll.
July 23rd, 2007 at 6:36 pmVifil yor er iz gegangn oyf di fis zol er geyn af di hent un di iberike zol er zikh sharn oyf di hintn.
Comment by Zooey — July 23, 2007 @ 3:59 pm
Zooey, I can’t find Yiddish to English on bablefish… whazzit mean?
July 23rd, 2007 at 6:44 pmSay nothing? But at least text! We all need to do our part to demand peace now! Texting the word PEACE, from any mobile phone, to the number 73223, the numeric spelling for peace, instantly links users to a network of Americans who believe that withdrawing from Iraq is the best way to bring peace to the region. I agree with gulf war veteran Mike Klein. “The goal is to create a peace chain where everyone who believes in peace texts five people and asks them to text 5 more people who stand for peace. Text peace is set to sweep the country and will be too powerful even Bush to ignore. †Kucinich will deliver these messages to President Bush. Text for Peace now!
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:10 pmText for Peace now!
Comment by Colin — July 23, 2007 @ 7:10 pm
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Shouldn’t you say: “Text for Genocide now!”
???
You know, so you aren’t lying and all…
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:31 pmGingrich’s Advice To Bush On Iraq:
‘Simply Be Quiet, Say Nothing’
…. That’s interesting ….
…. It is the same thing Tom Hagen says to me after I kill somebody ….
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:40 pmWhy does what this guy has to say mean anything??
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:01 pmAnd think of the mental state of those who would listen and think he has something of value to offer.
Sounds like someone saying stick your head under water until you can’t feel anything.It’s fun.Come on try it.
Of course he only get’s you to do it.He doesn’t.
I say Thrasymachos and Frank J are Mr. Pee.
Comment by Keith G — July 23, 2007 @ 4:57 pm
All trolls should be treated, and dismissed, as if they are one person. :)
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:05 pmZooey, I can’t find Yiddish to English on bablefish… whazzit mean?
Comment by Goy Guy — July 23, 2007 @ 6:44 pm
Heh. Sorry. :)
As many years as he’s walked on his feet, let him walk on his hands, and for the rest of the time he should crawl along on his ass.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:06 pmBush is unable, or perhaps unwilling, to explain the real reasons underlying his actions. He keeps repeating a few focus-group tested mantras like “we’re fighting them there so we don’t have to fight them here.” He tries to maintain his “straight shooter” image but, when it comes to Iraq, he seems content to repeat a set of flimsy, highly theoretical arguments. I think that people want to really understand why the country needs to continue to pour so much of its blood and treasure into the Iraq venture. Given the costs, one would think the rationale would be concise, concrete, and air-tight — but it’s the opposite.
July 24th, 2007 at 12:31 amGreat advice coming from the guy who in 1997 was reprimanded by his House peers and ordered to pay a $300,000 fine for ethic violations. Yah, let’s listen to HIM!
July 24th, 2007 at 10:11 amI got a question….why are all of you folks entertaining the trolls? This is what they want and love. If you just ignore their taunts, they will eventually get bored (as all small children do) and find something else to entertain their tiny brains.
July 24th, 2007 at 11:54 amECK…..Eat Shit!!
July 24th, 2007 at 12:01 pm