Novak: Journalists should support outing CIA agents.
By on Jul 23rd, 2007 at 7:40 pm
Novak: Journalists should support outing CIA agents.
Speaking to fellow reporters this morning, conservative columnist Robert Novak said he was “disappointed in the journalism profession” for its reaction to his printing Valerie Plame’s identity. “I thought we stuck together in things like this. I guess that wasn’t the case.”
View Most Popular
Advertisement
What We're About
What We're Fighting For
What We're Fighting Against
Featured
Subscribe to the Progress Report
Topic CloudView topics sorted by popularity
Afghanistan
Bachmann
Beck
Boehner
Business
Cheney
Civil Rights
Congress
Corporate Ethics
Dobbs
Economy
Education
Election
Energy
Environment
Ethics
Fox News
Gingrich
Glenn Beck
Global Warming
Health Care
Immigration
International Relations
Justice
LGBT
Lieberman
Limbaugh
Media
Military
O'Reilly
Obama
Palin
Pelosi
Politics
Race
Radical Right
Religion
Sports
Steele
Stimulus
Tea Parties
Tea Party
Terrorism
Veterans
Women's Rights
Visit Our Affiliated Sites
Reports
In-depth studies on select topics
Got a hot tip?
Have a hot news tip? We'd love to hear from you. Use the form below to send us the latest.
ArchivesBlog Roll
“I thought we stuck together on things like treason. I guess I was wrong.”
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:42 pmAnd he wasn’t a major player?
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:43 pmHypocrisy, thy name is Novak.
Mr. Fitzgerald, are you listening? He appears to be interested in talking now.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:47 pmTo equate Novakula with pond scum, would be a insult to all green vegetation growing in water
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:47 pmI’d say he has to be kidding, but he’s not. WOW!
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:49 pmValerie who?
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:50 pmThrasymachos why?
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:51 pmIt is time for Novak to go to prison > PERIOD.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:51 pmJournalists should stick together on one thing only: getting the best objective truth available.
While the practice is oh-so-flawed compared to the ideal, it’s still not a part of the camaraderie of journalists to cover their asses for treasonous offenses like this. Sorry Novak…you’re on your own…or at the least, you should be.
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:52 pmSo, is he really advocating committing treason? Really??
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:55 pmUnbelievable..
Um, no, Novakula. Journalists don’t stick together on illegally outing undercover CIA agents. Don’t even try to tell me there was “no underlying crime”, since the CIA’s own director confirmed that Plame was covert at the time her name was leaked to the press.
Retire already, you lying, Bush-apologist jackass!
July 23rd, 2007 at 7:57 pmThrasymachos why?
Comment by helenahandbasket — July 23, 2007 @ 7:51 pm
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:00 pm——————————
‘cuz.
Weeellll, Master Satan is WAITING on Novak’s SOUL…
Iran/Contra TREASON against the USA put ME in hell.
With Novak, Bush and Cheney it’s WAR CRIMES and TREASON.
Call John Conyers and your local US Rep. and tell his to START IMPEACHMENT.
THREE more Reps sign on, and it’s IMPEACHMENT TIME!!
Treasonously yours and BURNING IN HELL,
Traitor Ronnie and my Master Satan
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:00 pmAwwwww…it’s like poor Novak just found out that he was the only girl at the prom that gave it away for money…
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:07 pmNovak allowed himself to be a tool of illegal revenge for a lying administration and doesn’t understand why most other journalists don’t give him a standing O? Novak is just as deluded concerning the concept of ethics and morality as the administration he so slavishly serves.
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:07 pmWhat a Fu*k-Wad. Somebody needs to Gitmo him and the rest of the sh*its who committed treason by destroying an agent’s ability to prevent terrorists from nuking the US. Isn’t prevention of nuking the US 1/3 of the white house’s reason for invading Iraq?
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:22 pm…
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:23 pmi wonder if this slug’s portrait still hangs
in the hallowed halls of the ILLINI UNION
at the University of Illinois, Urban-Champaign..
…
Novak is disappointed with American journalists. HE’S disappointed, well that is rich. Too bad he can’t choke on the irony.
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:23 pmNovak needs to retire before he becomes completely senile.
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:26 pmAnother punk. Isn’t revealing an undercover agent’s identity a crime?
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:33 pmNovak is confusing himself with “journalists”, that’s the problem.
He’s right about one thing, though, Valerie Plame will never again be a covert agent. Or a covert operative. Because it was more important to Novak to be one of the Kewl Kids and be on the inside than it was to take the interests of the country and specifically of the CIA into consideration.
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:34 pm“I thought we stuck together in things like this. I guess that wasn’t the case.â€
Novak must have had a senior moment and thought he was in the Oval Office.
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:34 pmhell… many of the other “journalists” are no better…
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:35 pmit’s all treason… it’s all slimy CYA…
maybe not a CIA agent, but still complicit in
the lies and spin that created this fiasco…
…
Another punk. Isn’t revealing an undercover agent’s identity a crime?
Comment by Apple
The law has several requirements that define its violation, and one of them is that the person making the revelation has to have a high security clearance. It seems to me like a stupid law; if you stumble (or are briefed) on a person’s covert status and reveal it, but aren’t yourself cleared to know that information, you didn’t commit a crime.
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:36 pmNovak the traitor is guilty of treason.
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:43 pmI guess we will have to wait until someone actually outs an agent.
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:44 pmIt wasn’t just Plame either, she ran an entire operation. They also outted her “front” company, and ALL those resources that took DECADES to establish were lost over this petty, ridiculous action by Cheney and his minions. The 4th estate mouthpieces just answered the call. Novak is like a baby bird in a nest waiting for morsels of info. to try to make himself a “real” journalist but that will never happen because REAL journalists use INTEGRITY and have ETHICS something utterly foreign to Mr. Novak.
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:45 pmThe Wilson’s lost a tremendous amount and are owed so much, but the American people lost so much by the outting because Plame’s operation operated in the Middle East! It put our whole country at much higher risk to lose that intelligence op for a few petty men to exact revenge on Wilson by OUTTING A NOC for telling us the truth! Just shows how small minded these criminal scumbags are.
I guess I will have to wait for you to not be a worthless piece of sh!t.
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:47 pmGuys?……
Guys?…..
Mommy!
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:47 pmYeah, where are the other traitors when you really need them?
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:50 pmI guess we will have to wait until someone actually outs an agent.
Comment by Frank J — July 23, 2007 @ 8:44 pm
They have.
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:51 pmI don’t get it. According to a new Executive Order, doing anything or saying anything that might ‘destablize’ Iraq will give Bush the right to ‘block’ your property. Surely outting Plame destabilized several covert operatives in the Middle East. Is Scooter’s wealth going to be blocked? What about Novak’s?
What does Novak feel about military censorship? Embedded journalists? Keeping mum about troop movements and such? Or would he have been a Lord Haw-Haw and try to demoralize the troops?
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:52 pmI guess we will have to wait until someone actually outs an agent.
Comment by Frank J — July 23, 2007 @ 8:44 pm
Fortunately, we don’t have to wait to know that you are a treason-supporting, Neocon pig.
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:52 pmDoes anyone have less credibility than Novak? Besides Bush and Frank J? OK, and besides Cheney? Hannity? Gibson? Why are people paying Novak to speak? The guy is partisan curmudgeon who does his cause absolutely no good. Maybe we stop reporting and people stop listening? Liberal media bias my a$$.
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:53 pmwillyloman asked me to post this here:
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:54 pm
Novak needs to retire before he becomes completely senile.
Comment by km4 — July 23, 2007 @ 8:26 pm
Too late.
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:56 pmI guess we will have to wait until someone actually outs an agent.
Comment by Frank J — July 23, 2007 @ 8:44 pm
Frank, you need to catch up. CIA Director Michael Hayden has certified that Plame was a covert agent until her identity was revealed by Bush administration officials. U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald has stated in court that she her covert status was protected by law. So please start dealing in fact rather than Bushworld fantasy.
July 23rd, 2007 at 8:59 pmValerie who?
Comment by Thrasymachos — July 23, 2007 @ 7:50 pm
==========
LOL, are you even incapable of reading and absorbing the brief blurb on the story…”…for its reaction to his printing Valerie Plame’s identity.”
So Valerie Who? Would be Valerie Plame, jeesh you’re dense!
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:02 pmIn the end, it will be revealed that Novak rolled on Libby who took the hit and eventually had his sentence commuted.
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:03 pmJust shows how small minded these criminal scumbags are.
Comment by Justice — July 23, 2007 @ 8:45 pm
it is my opinion that the whole undercover operation
was blown and outed for the express purpose of
closing it down – no intelligence, nothing to stop
them from proceeding with the plan…
and it’s all planned… planned chaos…
so they can steal and plunder…
but you all know that…
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:11 pm…
An Al Qaeda covert agent doesn’t count.
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:11 pmAn Al Qaeda covert agent doesn’t count.
Comment by Frank J — July 23, 2007 @ 9:11 pm
Piss off, you f*cking piss-soaked troll.
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:13 pmThere will be those who believe Novak did not legally commit treason. But, Novak is morally bankrupt, along with all those who had a chance to do the right thing. The WH was totally duplicitous in ruining the career of a public servant and placing the lives of countless in jeopardy that Plame had contact with in her duties.
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:21 pmWhat a tool Novak is.
Look at little frankie make shit up.
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:23 pmIsn’t little frankie trying to be cute.
Poor little frankie doesn’t even know how pathetic his mewlings are.
lefty, you may give Novak the benefit of the doubt, but I think he knew exactly what he was doing, and did it to curry favor, get close to the “inner circle”.
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:24 pmHe’s a media whore and a NeoColon.
Zooey sez:
There are times when trolls need to be debunked through carefully constructed logical arguments…and then there are times when trolls just need to be told to fsck off.
Nicely done, Zooey! ^_^
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:28 pmRUCerious – you misunderstand me. I give him no quarter. I believe he is treasonous. Just saying there are others who will claim not, but they cannot deny his moral compass is off.
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:29 pmWhen you send your drunk husband to Niger to drink tea and then come back and lie in front of a Senate Committee you have wonder who side this so called secret agent is on.
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:31 pmNovak cannot accept or admit the fact that he has joined the illustrous ranks of such people as Aldritch Ames, Robert Hansen and Benedict Arnold…and obviously is confused that fellow journalists of his for some reason don’t want to join him.
A CIA officer, Valerie Plame Wilson, whose covert CIA identity was known only to a few at the CIA prior to July 2003, as a top-secret security measure to protect one of their most valuable HUMINT assets, suddenly has her name circulating among top officials in the Bush and Cheney administration, finally having her name and identity outed by an ultra-neo-con Republican journalist, Robert Novak, in a Karl Rovian/Dick Cheneyian attempt to smear a critic, Ambassador Joe Wilson, for having had the audacity to question the worst administration in American history.
Incredible. Criminal. Treasonous.
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:31 pmNovak worked with the Devil and now he’s paying for it. Alot of good Journalist have broke their oath to support the Criminal Bush Administration. Now that the crimes have come to light the Jouralist want viewers to forget they were lying for Bush. It’s gotten so bad our Dictator Bush is taking Americans property if they file a complaint against any big business.
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:34 pmNicely done, Zooey! ^_^
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 23, 2007 @ 9:28 pm
You have your specialty, and I have mine. We’re a well-oiled machine.
:-)
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:38 pmJust can’t let go of that party line, can you Frank. If Ms. Plame was not covert, please answer this. Why did she have a cover agency called Brewster James. If she wasn’t covert, why did she need a cover company?
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:38 pmDo secret agents appear on the cover of Vanity Fair and send their drunk husbands on secret missions?
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:41 pmDo secret agents appear on the cover of Vanity Fair and send their drunk husbands on secret missions?
Comment by Frank J — July 23, 2007 @ 9:41 pm
I’m not sure what secret agents do.
It’s a secret.
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:46 pmDo secret agents appear on the cover of Vanity Fair and send their drunk husbands on secret missions?
Comment by Frank J
Once they’re outted they do. Proof of Mr Wilson’s alcoholism, please.
Here’s a question for you… do fools post inane comments on TP?
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:47 pmFrank J sez:
Keep spouting those ridiculous right-wing talking points, Frankie. I’m sure all the other trolls are impressed…
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:47 pm#
Do secret agents appear on the cover of Vanity Fair and send their drunk husbands on secret missions?
Comment by Frank J — July 23, 2007 @ 9:41 pm
#
Did the Director of the CIA lie to congress when he testified that she was covert? Why would he do that? … Must be that vast left-wing conspiracy that made him do that.
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:48 pmI see Frank J, whatever it is, is getting a lot of attention by throwing out lots of moronic lures.
Ignore the troll.
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:50 pmWhen I commuted Scooter’s sentence, I meant to mention that that lovely Plame woman was not covert, but I forgot.
And now I can’t comment on an ongoing investigation…
July 23rd, 2007 at 9:54 pmFrank J:
Do secret agents appear on the cover of Vanity Fair and send their drunk husbands on secret missions?
The outing of Valerie Plame: July 14, 2003
Vanity Fair cover: January, 2004…
SHE WAS ALREADY OUTED, GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD CRAMMED FULL OF WINGNUT TALKING POINTS…
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:01 pmFRANK, You and your ilk are TRAITORS who are willing to risk our national security for party…your endless efforts to use debunked, GOP talking points to justify an act of treason speak volumes…
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:03 pmIt is not treason to expose a supporter of Al Qaeda.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:06 pmIf you kids keep debunking all of our talking points, eventually we’re going to run out of them. Then what will you do?
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:07 pmFrank J is just stoopit — which is much worse than stupid.
Dismissed.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:08 pmAfter her photo session with Vanity Fair, Ms. Plame went to her weekly meeting of Up With Al Qaeda.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:09 pmIt is not treason to expose a supporter of Al Qaeda.
Comment by Frank J — July 23, 2007 @ 10:06 pm
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:09 pm——————————————————
No. It sure isn’t, Frank J, it sure isn’t.
Ms. Plame sent her husband to Africa to come back with lots and lots of lies.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:12 pm#
It is not treason to expose a supporter of Al Qaeda.
Comment by Frank J — July 23, 2007 @ 10:06 pm
#
You have proof that Plame was supporting Al-Qaeda? Why would the Director of the CIA come to her defense then? He must be in on the conspiracy too… Also, Bush never made this allegation, and continued to employ her with a Top Secret clearance. Why would Bush knowingly grant a Top Secret clearance to someone who supports Al Qaeda? He must be in on that left-wing conspiracy too!
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:12 pmIs Novak off the whack? Journalists “sticking together” in the criminal (treasonous) outing of a covert CIA operative? Not in this country, Bobbie! You deserve to be not just “outed” but “out of a job” totally with that crack.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:13 pm#
Ms. Plame sent her husband to Africa to come back with lots and lots of lies.
Comment by Gossip — July 23, 2007 @ 10:12 pm
#
CIA Director Michael Hayden testified before congress that Plame was not the one who sent Wilson to Africa. But, what does he know?
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:16 pmFrank J said
Do Vice Presidents shoot their drinking buddies in the face and tell US senators to f*ck off while making massive profits off the war they dragged America into thru lies and deceit?
It would seem Novak is very keen to out honest civil servants, but he’s pretty good at covering the ar$e of White House officials engaged in illegal wiretaps, corruption, and the violation of the Geneva Conventions –to say nothing of the US Constitution.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:18 pmYou have to admire the effort Frank Jake put up here, at least until Mr. Pee showed up to lend a hand. It usually takes two or three troll identities to dump that much stupid sh!t on a single thread.
‘Course, Frank Jake is aided by his intense focus — so intense that he doesn’t even read responses that may contain dangers such as “facts”. I guess Frank Jake has enough trouble memorizing his assigned talking points that he doesn’t want to risk getting distracted.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:20 pmYou can post that testimony?
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:21 pmPoor Little Sheeple Frankie (#26, 31, 41, 48 & 53) is lost again, wandering around the wrong blog. He got separated from his keeper somehow and just can’t find his way home. Sustained willful ignorance does take its toll. Sheeple like Frankie have abdicated their minds, their reason; they’ve not had a thought to call their own in so long that their brains just shrivel up to a pea — the least little jostle and that little pea just rolls right out of their head. Then the lost little pea-brained (now pea-brainless) sheeple is left to wander hoping some kind soul will lead him by the nose back to safety of the flock. Sorry, Frankie, no flock around here. Our brains are still functioning; our reading comprehension, reasoning and analytical skills are intact; we still think for ourselves. And I for one think Little Sheeple Frankie is pathetic.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:23 pm“On 1 January 2002, Valerie Wilson was working for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) as an operations officer in the Directorate of Operations (DO). She was assigned to the Counterproliferation Division (CPD) at CIA Headquarters, where she served as the Chief of a CPD component with responsibility for weapons proliferation issues related to Iraq.
While assigned to CPD, Ms. Wilson engaged in Temporary Duty (TDY) travel overseas on official business. She traveled at least seven times to more than ten countries. When traveling overseas, Ms. Wilson always traveled under a cover identity–sometimes in true name and sometimes in alias–but always using cover–whether official or non-official cover (NOC)–with no ostensible relationship to the CIA.
At the time of the initial unauthorized disclosure in the media of Ms. Wilson’s employment relationship with the CIA on 14 July 2003, Ms. Wilson was a covert CIA employee for whom the CIA was taking affirmative measures to conceal her intelligence relationship to the United States.”
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:23 pmNo. It sure isn’t, Frank J, it sure isn’t.
Comment by Thrasymachos — July 23, 2007 @ 10:09 pm
I was reading your conversation with Wayne last night, Mr President. Needless to say, your performance today is disappointing, although predictable.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:24 pmFrom Newsweek:
“special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald found that Plame had indeed done “covert work overseas” on counterproliferation matters in the past five years, and the CIA “was making specific efforts to conceal” her identity, according to newly released portions of a judge’s opinion. (A CIA spokesman at the time is quoted as saying Plame was “unlikely” to take further trips overseas, though.) Fitzgerald concluded he could not charge Libby for violating a 1982 law banning the outing of a covert CIA agent; apparently he lacked proof Libby was aware of her covert status when he talked about her three times with New York Times reporter Judith Miller. Fitzgerald did consider charging Libby with violating the so-called Espionage Act, which prohibits the disclosure of “national defense information,” the papers show; he ended up indicting Libby for lying about when and from whom he learned about Plame.”
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:27 pmJohn Stewart was right. He’s the king of douchebaggery.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:28 pmOr was that emperor?
The cheese stands alone.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:29 pmComment by funky p — July 23, 2007 @ 10:28 pm
It was Novak.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:30 pmIt was Novak.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — July 23, 2007 @ 10:30 pm
Who did you think I was talking about?
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:35 pmNO, not a troll silly.
Oh, you thought I was calling John Stewart a Douche?
No way. He called Novak king of the douche bags.
It is not treason to expose a supporter of Al Qaeda.
Comment by Frank J — July 23, 2007 @ 10:06 pm
Whom should I expose – W or Deadeye?
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:38 pmNovak is not just the king of the douchbags; he’s the quintessential douchebag itself.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:40 pmComment by Egreggious — July 23, 2007 @ 8:54 pm
Are you telling us that willyloman is unable to post here anymore?
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:40 pmWalt: They’ve both been exposed and continue to expose themselves daily. And they even manage to reveal themselves politically, too.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:41 pm…treason is a charge we need to bring back home…it’s time that the country find a way away from these selfish bastards…and their kind…BUSH AND CHENEY are at the top!
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:42 pmFrank, your partisan hackery is just too much…Valerie Plame was supporting Al Qaeda? How?
STOP LISTENING TO FOX NEWS AND THINK…
There is something called critical thinking, and I’m sorry to say, you never gained it during your years in school…
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:42 pmAn Al Qaeda covert agent doesn’t count.
Comment by Frank J — July 23, 2007 @ 9:11 pm
Piss off, you f*cking piss-soaked troll.
Comment by Zooey
Don’t sugar-coat it Zooey. Tell that f*cking Frank Jerk*ff how we all really feel.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:42 pmShane: I didn’t get the memo. I’ve missed seeing our Willyloman’s posts here of late. Do you mean to tell me that he’s been censored and our piss-soaked idiot troll who posts ridiculous rants in full caps and exclamation points with absolutely nothing in between has not been censored by TP? What an injustice.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:43 pmNovak and Frank think if a CIA employee isn’t wearing a jet thruster back pack or have a phone in their shoe, they can’t be covert. Featherheads. Glad they don’t work in the secret world…Novak knew the difference, I suppose, but it’s another story altogether for dear old Frank.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:44 pmZooey: I say “Let ‘er rip and call ‘em as you see em” You go girl! And, you speak for each one of us here who are regulars.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:44 pmGeorge W. Bush
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:45 pmSupporter of al Qaeda.
Fact; After 6 years and $600 billion spent, and how many tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of casualties, and incalculable damage to Iraq, Bin laden is still free.
And al Qaeda, according to our own NIE, is stronger than ever, thanks to G.W.s policies.
Therefore, I am exposing the Bush family as supporters of al Qaeda.
Poppy trained him, and G.W. has given him everything he wanted.
That’s not treason. That’s just fact.
I guess Frank, then this makes Bush the Al Qaeda candidate…Shall we out him too? After all, as you claim, it would be our patriotic duty…
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:47 pmDon’t sugar-coat it Zooey. Tell that f*cking Frank Jerk*ff how we all really feel.
Comment by shane — July 23, 2007 @ 10:42 pm
Zooey: I say “Let ‘er rip and call ‘em as you see em†You go girl! And, you speak for each one of us here who are regulars.
Comment by veritas — July 23, 2007 @ 10:44 pm
Careful ladies, there’s a new troll in town called “r,” and he’s sensitive. We don’t want to hurt his poor wittle heart with any sarcasm. :D
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:53 pmWhat an injustice.
Comment by veritas — July 23, 2007 @ 10:43 pm
Egreggious at #35 said he was posting something for Willyloman that’s why I asked. I love his posts and I and after TMM got temporarily banned you have to wonder what’s going on here.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:53 pmWho did you think I was talking about?
NO, not a troll silly.
Oh, you thought I was calling John Stewart a Douche?
No way. He called Novak king of the douche bags.
Comment by funky p — July 23, 2007 @ 10:35 pm
No, I must have misunderstood your post and thought you didn’t know whether Jon Stewart had called Novak a douche or had called “the emperor” (Bush) a douche. I would never have thought that you were calling Jon Stewart a douche, or that you were a troll! That WOULD be silly! :-)
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:54 pmComment by Jane E. Schneider — July 23, 2007 @ 10:54 pm
Why thank you m’lady.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:55 pmCareful ladies, there’s a new troll in town called “r,†and he’s sensitive. We don’t want to hurt his poor wittle heart with any sarcasm. :D
Comment by Zooey
I’ve seen “thiing r” and I say we hurt him bad. My baby girls has a big time crush on a boy from your part of the country. Oy.
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:56 pmNovak and Frank think if a CIA employee isn’t wearing a jet thruster back pack or have a phone in their shoe, they can’t be covert. Featherheads. Glad they don’t work in the secret world…Novak knew the difference, I suppose, but it’s another story altogether for dear old Frank.
Comment by circusfifthfloor — July 23, 2007 @ 10:44 pm
Do flightsuits with extra codpiece padding count , too ?
July 23rd, 2007 at 10:57 pmDo flightsuits with extra codpiece padding count , too ?
Comment by MCMetal
Ick, that visual just came back to me. Do you have any brain bleach MCMetal?
July 23rd, 2007 at 11:00 pmWhy thank you m’lady.
Comment by funky p — July 23, 2007 @ 10:55 pm
Oooh, how chivalrous! You’re welcome, kind sir! :D
July 23rd, 2007 at 11:01 pmThat was a load he popped when they hit the deck…He thought he was landing in Alabama.
July 23rd, 2007 at 11:02 pmI’ve seen “thiing r†and I say we hurt him bad. My baby girls has a big time crush on a boy from your part of the country. Oy.
Comment by shane — July 23, 2007 @ 10:56 pm
Check out the bottom third of the Feingold thread below. What a whiner!
Keep your baby girl away from him!!
July 23rd, 2007 at 11:03 pmDo flightsuits with extra codpiece padding count , too ?
Comment by MCMetal
Ick, that visual just came back to me. Do you have any brain bleach MCMetal?
Comment by shane — July 23, 2007 @ 11:00 pm
Yeah ……….Watch 1/2 Hour News Hour , the (non) comedy show on FOX
July 23rd, 2007 at 11:05 pmleftcoast, sorry, I misread. Others may cut him some slack, I’d just like to cut him some, … oh well, this is a family site….
July 23rd, 2007 at 11:07 pmThat was a load he popped when they hit the deck…He thought he was landing in Alabama.
Comment by circusfifthfloor — July 23, 2007 @ 11:02 pm
He believed he was back in the days when he was heroically defending Alabama and Texas from the impending VC invasion …….
July 23rd, 2007 at 11:07 pmucsbclassics, my fellow gaucho, class of 76~ Howdy!
July 23rd, 2007 at 11:08 pmMcM
July 23rd, 2007 at 11:09 pmHe did a heckuva job, too. Ya never saw a single Cong anywhere near Amarillo.
McM
He did a heckuva job, too. Ya never saw a single Cong anywhere near Amarillo.
Comment by RUCerious — July 23, 2007 @ 11:09 pm
Because he was the “secret weapon” of the US military known as “Agent Orange” ; they just kept it on the down-low……
July 23rd, 2007 at 11:11 pmIt wasn’t newsworthy, the American public had no reason to know her name, and it puts America at risk. Way to go traitor. Again, I ask why this treasonous person still has a job and isn’t in jail?
July 24th, 2007 at 12:41 amValerie Plame’s real sin is that she uncovered and blocked a Bush Admin. plan to plant WMDs in Iraq. Oops.
July 24th, 2007 at 1:54 amHe is singing like something is coming that majority of the American people will not like, but is protected because he is in line with the Bushies.
Please do not take the American people for granted.
July 24th, 2007 at 2:09 amWhat can one say about a man that is actually proud to be called “The Prince of Darkness”.
July 24th, 2007 at 8:54 amImagine how the Right would be howling if a Democratic Administration had outed a CIA agent.
July 24th, 2007 at 9:03 amNo see journalists are supposed to stick together when they’re on the side of the people, not on the side of the corrupt establishment.
July 24th, 2007 at 9:17 amI forget… if Armitage admitted to leaking Plame’s name why isn’t he in trouble for it?
July 24th, 2007 at 9:27 amOk, a question to all the regular posters here. Why do you respond to trolls like Frank? We all know that what he and the others are saying are right wing talking point lies. And they know that they are lying. So what purpose does it serve to respond to them? The only reason why they post what they do is to get a rise out of you. And many of you respond splendidly. They love it and have a reason to return. Why do you do it?
July 24th, 2007 at 9:35 am“Imagine how the Right would be howling if a Democratic Administration had outed a CIA agent.”
Imagine how the right wing would be howling if a Democratic Administration did one tenth of what this Republican Administration has done. They really don’t get it. Do they really want a Democratic President to have the powers they are allowing this Republican President to have?
I trust that a Democratic President would respect the rule of law and the constitution, but you never know.
July 24th, 2007 at 9:39 amIf the left feels compelled to broadcast administration tactics on the war on terror that have in the past been covert (interrogation tactics, detentions, wire tapping) although it obviously hinders their efforts to persecute the war; why wouldn’t it be just as legitimate for journalists to point out information about Wilson (to include his relationship with Plame) and his possible motivations for filing biased and disparaging reports about the administration and it’s efforts. Do you live in a world where only the republican administration can be capable of deceitful manipulation?
July 24th, 2007 at 9:44 amIf the left feels compelled to broadcast administration tactics on the war on terror that have in the past been covert (interrogation tactics, detentions, wire tapping) although it obviously hinders their efforts to persecute the war; why wouldn’t it be just as legitimate for journalists to point out information about Wilson (to include his relationship with Plame) and his possible motivations for filing biased and disparaging reports about the administration and it’s efforts. Do you live in a world where only the republican administration can be capable of deceitful manipulation?
Comment by paul — July 24, 2007 @ 9:44 am
Ok, let me see if I understand this logic.
When journalists expose the government engaging in illegal and unconstitutional covert activities, that’s bad because we’re in a state of permanent war.
But when journalists expose a covert agent out of spite because her husband exposed the government lying about a critical matter that helped add a new and useless front in this permanent war, that’s good.
Great logic!!
July 24th, 2007 at 10:05 amtoasterhead. I know you don’t see it, but here’s your logic:
journalists that expose conservatives – objective
journalists that expose liberals – spiteful
July 24th, 2007 at 10:18 amhttp://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/americans_see_liberal_media_bias_on_tv_news
July 24th, 2007 at 10:19 amtoasterhead. I know you don’t see it, but here’s your logic:
journalists that expose conservatives – objective
journalists that expose liberals – spiteful
Comment by paul — July 24, 2007 @ 10:18 am
No, that’s yours because you can’t remove your partisan blinders. It’s not a matter of liberal or conservative. It’s a matter of an executive branch either respecting or crapping on the rule of law.
July 24th, 2007 at 10:21 amhttp://rasmussenreports.com/ public_content/ politics/ americans_see_liberal_media_bias_on_tv_news
Comment by paul — July 24, 2007 @ 10:19 am
Whoop-de-doo. This proves that Americans perceive the bias that they’ve been told to percieive and they parrot this talking point whenever they get a call from a survey firm.
Media are only as biased as the sponsors who pay them.
July 24th, 2007 at 10:26 amtoasterhead. Okay, when I here that more than 70% of Americans disapprove of the war in Iraq that’s just a perception that “they’ve been told to percieive and they parrot this talking point whenever they get a call from a survey firm?”
Selectively accepting favorable poll results and disregarding those that don’t placate you views, doesn’t sound like a recipe for objectivity.
July 24th, 2007 at 10:33 amtoasterhead. Okay, when I here that more than 70% of Americans disapprove of the war in Iraq that’s just a perception that “they’ve been told to percieive and they parrot this talking point whenever they get a call from a survey firm?â€
Selectively accepting favorable poll results and disregarding those that don’t placate you views, doesn’t sound like a recipe for objectivity.
Comment by paul — July 24, 2007 @ 10:33 am
Approval ratings are a different type of survey. When you ask repondents whether they personally approve or disapprove of a public policy or politician, that’s pure opinion. There’s nothing else that can prove or disprove that – it’s what they believe.
When you ask people if they think a network or “the media” is biased, they’re going to give their answer based on what they’ve heard or read. I doubt that most respondents have actually sat there watching various networks with a clipboard making ticks in a “liberal” and “conservative” column whenever a journalist made a statement with a partisan slant, or that they have done studies on the number of conservative or liberal think tanks cited. They’re giving an opinion-based answer on a quantifiable topic that they are very likely unqualified to answer.
July 24th, 2007 at 10:54 amWhile the editorial page of The Wall Street Journal is conservative, the newspaper’s news pages are liberal, even more liberal than The New York Times. The Drudge Report may have a right-wing reputation, but it leans left. Coverage by public television and radio is conservative compared to the rest of the mainstream media. Meanwhile, almost all major media outlets tilt to the left.
This report, from UCLA political scientists, revealed some puzzling things about media bias. The conclusions are surprising and subject to debate (especially over the bias of the study itself). Although done by Academics from UCLA and Missouri U, there were reports that these academics were backed by conservative causes. That may be true but a statement by one of the study’s authors shows his bias:
“I suspected that many media outlets would tilt to the left because surveys have shown that reporters tend to vote more Democrat than Republican,” said Tim Groseclose, a UCLA political scientist and the study’s lead author. “But I was surprised at just how pronounced the distinctions are.”
What should not surprise is that the results echoed his suspicions about the outcome of the study.
Curiously, the study claims that the WSJ scored highest on their Liberal scale.
Even Fox news scored to the left of center, with the exception of Special Report with Britt Hume.
Five news outlets — “NewsHour With Jim Lehrer,” ABC’s “Good Morning America,” CNN’s “NewsNight With Aaron Brown,” Fox News’ “Special Report With Brit Hume” and the Drudge Report — were in a statistical dead heat in the race for the most centrist news outlet. Of the print media, USA Today was the most centrist.
So, what do we learn from this. In my opinion not a damned thing. I trust more the fact that viewers of Fox were generally less informed than viewers of the Daily Show.
July 24th, 2007 at 11:05 amAll the study proves to me is that facts have a well known liberal bias.
Even I will admit that was just stupid.
July 24th, 2007 at 11:28 amWould someone just do something about this guy, and others like him. Anyone who behaves in a manner contrary to the interests of the US is our enemy – if that enemy is a US Citizen, we have a dirty word to describe them; TRAITOR!
In a right thinking society, Novak would be executed and his rotting head hanging from Traitors Gate already.
July 24th, 2007 at 3:20 pm