Bachmann On Her Trip To Iraq: It’s Like Visiting The ‘Mall Of America’
Bachmann On Her Trip To Iraq: It’s Like Visiting The ‘Mall Of America’
Earlier this month, Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) traveled to Iraq with a congressional delegation. In an interview with the Minnesota Star Tribune, Bachmann said that after her trip, she remains firm in her support for Bush’s escalation:
This month, Bachmann traveled to Iraq, and despite more GOP defections from Bush’s base of support, she returned as firm as ever in her conviction that the war is justified. Al-Qaida, she said, “doesn’t show any signs of letting up.” The congressional delegation met with Gen. David Petraeus, the top commander in Iraq, in one of Saddam Hussein’s palaces.
What was the palace like?
“It’s absolutely huge,” she said. “I turned to my colleagues and said there’s a commonality with the Mall of America, in that it’s on that proportion. There’s marble everywhere. The other thing I remarked about was there is water everywhere. He had man-made lakes all around his personal palace — one for fishing, one for boating.”
In reality, Iraq is nothing like the Mall of America. Bachmann was able to talk only about the palace because she wasn’t allowed to leave the heavily-fortified Green Zone — an area most normal Iraqis aren’t even allowed to enter. According to a report from her trip, skyrocketing violence prevented Bachmann from “meeting any Iraqis, leaving the Green Zone or staying in Iraq overnight. She and other congressional members were required to wear full body armor, including Kevlar helmets, during the entire trip.”
Nevertheless, Bachmann still believes that Congress should support Bush’s escalation. “It hasn’t had a chance to be in place long enough to offer a critique of how it’s working,” she said. Maybe if she had actually been able to leave the Green Zone, she would have been able to speak to some actual Iraqis, 78 percent of whom believe the U.S. presence is making the security situation worse.
UPDATE: AmericaBlog compares the Mall of America to Iraq.
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Why Woohoo! Let's all go shopping in Iraq! Should be tons of fun!
July 24th, 2007 at 5:40 pmThis is insane... first hand accounts don't tell the story at all.
Being escorted by our troops to local bazaars so you can buy a rug, and then you get flown out with apache gunships does not make for an accurate account of life in that country.
July 24th, 2007 at 5:40 pmIf memory serves, Bachmann's the same suck-ass who refused for nearly a minute to relinquish Shrub's shoulder as he attempted to flee his last SOTU. Why should anyone expect this idiot to present a fact-based assessment of anything?
July 24th, 2007 at 5:42 pmBachmann On Her Trip To Iraq: It’s Like Visiting The ‘Mall Of America’...
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Hello?....She was reffering to Saddam's palace, not the country as a whole.
Sheeesh.
July 24th, 2007 at 5:43 pmOur taxpayers dollars being spent on Bush bobbleheads. Minnesota ( like CT with Lieberman ) you should hang you collective heads in shame for putting this airhead back in Congress.
July 24th, 2007 at 5:43 pmBachmann is genuinely stupid, in a Bush kind of way.
July 24th, 2007 at 5:45 pmThere's an occupation at the Mall of America?
July 24th, 2007 at 5:45 pmThere’s an occupation at the Mall of America?
Comment by Zooey — July 24, 2007 @ 5:45 pm
Priceless.
July 24th, 2007 at 5:46 pmHello?….She was reffering to Saddam’s palace, not the country as a whole.
Sheeesh.
Comment by Ringo — July 24, 2007 @ 5:43 pm
TP misrepresenting what someone said.......No.
July 24th, 2007 at 5:46 pmBy a strange coincidence, my son was just in the Mall of America. He said it was just like Baghdad! Everyone is wearing helmets and flak vests and armed to the teeth. And that was just because there was a sale on.
July 24th, 2007 at 5:48 pmWho gives the shit on what the palace looks like. She is just as diluted as the rest of the ditto heads. The commonality my ass.
July 24th, 2007 at 5:49 pm“meeting any Iraqis, leaving the Green Zone or staying in Iraq overnight. She and other congressional members were required to wear full body armor, including Kevlar helmets, during the entire trip.â€
Al-Qaida, she said, “doesn’t show any signs of letting up.â€
Wow! She sure did get a lot of insight during her overnight stay in the palace. Guess that must've been one heckuva powerpoint presentation.
July 24th, 2007 at 5:49 pmLindsay Graham goes rug shopping (which Webb should have reminded him of during their little standoff on the Tim Russert Show) and this clown. What is with these nimrods?
July 24th, 2007 at 5:49 pmThere’s an occupation at the Mall of America?
Comment by Zooey
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Gee Zooey, that was almost funny!
July 24th, 2007 at 5:50 pmSo the workings of the Mall of America have finally been made public.
I mean, getting an Apache ride in from the parking lot was fun, and the bombs would make the roller coaster more exciting. But I found the cluster bombs in Camp Snoopy a bit much.
July 24th, 2007 at 5:51 pmShop til you drop. Or the Mahdi army opens fire. Or Sunni insurgents come a-bombing. Or Al Qaeda in Iraq RPG's the food court. Funny, I've never had to deal with IED's when I go to the bookstore.
July 24th, 2007 at 5:51 pm#5 km4
Our taxpayers dollars being spent on Bush bobbleheads. Minnesota ( like CT with Lieberman ) you should hang you collective heads in shame for putting this airhead back in Congress.
1) She was not put "back" in Congress. It was her first trip and her last.
July 24th, 2007 at 5:51 pm2) Only one congressional district elected her. The rest didn't have any say in the matter. The bible-thumping dickheads seem to have clustered in that district. She will not be re-elected, dickheads notwithstanding.
Should read Bachmann (R-MN). Michigan (MI) has plenty of disappointing Representatives. Minnesota can keep her.
July 24th, 2007 at 5:51 pmShould change the headline, really. Dipshit that she is, she still should not be misquoted.
July 24th, 2007 at 5:52 pmThis is why I don't like Dems either. Sooner or later, they step on their own tongues.
She was talking about Husseins palace, not Bagdad or Iraq, and she was describing it's scope, not weather or not there are terrorists lurking around or how safe it is or if there's a Snoopy statue there.
Come on people. The Republicans are stupid for a sh*t-load of reasons. We don't have to invent ones. This is not helping.
July 24th, 2007 at 5:52 pm...of course both trips were the same to ms bachmann - she spent both of them blowing powerful old gop donors in the back of a beemer, which is also how she'll be spending congress's summer recess.
July 24th, 2007 at 5:52 pmIt this another one of Bush's talking polyps?
July 24th, 2007 at 5:55 pmWhy do you keep undermining the war propaganda effort?
July 24th, 2007 at 5:57 pm#20 is right that she was commenting on the palace - not the country.
That said --- Bachmann is an embarrassment to my state and my country. Hopefully the idiots in her district will give her the boot after her 2-year term in the house.
She IS the nut who grabbed Bush during the SOTUA and wouldn't let go. She's 100% certifiable. There are pictures of her hiding in the bushes at a gay pride event, spying on everyone. Cookoo!!!
July 24th, 2007 at 5:57 pmSuch a cutie-pie, too.
July 24th, 2007 at 5:57 pmThis woman is crazy. Katherine Harris kind of crazy. Even the republicans want her out; she has been such an embarrassment.
http://dumpbachmann.blogspot.com/
July 24th, 2007 at 5:58 pmWhat was the palace like?
Bachmann opined:
“It’s absolutely huge,†she said. “I turned to my colleagues and said there’s a commonality with the Mall of America, in that it’s on that proportion. There’s marble everywhere. The other thing I remarked about was there is water everywhere. He had man-made lakes all around his personal palace — one for fishing, one for boating.â€
This is tourist talk! Outside the Green Zone people are dying like flies in freezing weather. And all she can talk about is her impression of the palace.
We hired her to take care of this countries business, the people's business, not gawk at the Green Zone like a tourist in a tourist trap! Come 2008 she will be finding a new job.
And then, to add insult to injury, she spouts neocon talking points that she was taught before she went to Iraq. (backed up and verified, of course, by that stalwart general petraeus.) So of what value was her trip? Oh, yeah, she probably got a $1.oo rug by shopping in the Green Zone
July 24th, 2007 at 5:58 pmGreat job, TP!
That's how you put some spin on a headline!!!
July 24th, 2007 at 5:58 pmOutside the Green Zone people are dying like flies in freezing weather. And all she can talk about is her impression of the palace.
How do you know? Have you been there? Or are you just referring to the reports by leftwing media?
July 24th, 2007 at 5:59 pmSorry, I am going to have to call BS on this one TP. She was referring to the palace, which has been converted into an embassy.
She was not talking about Iraq.
There is no doubt in my mind that Saddam's Palace is ten times nicer than the mall of America.
As far as her discription of Iraq, she said that al Qaida wasn't giving up. That is 100% true. They won't ever give up, even if we bomb the planet.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:00 pmThis is the funny kind of retardation
July 24th, 2007 at 6:02 pm#30: Go away Mr. President. I just don't get it why TP won't ban you.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:03 pm"She’s 100% certifiable. There are pictures of her hiding in the bushes at a gay pride event, spying on everyone. Cookoo!!!"
That's what you get when you elect a fundamentalist conservative christian to public office. I hope people are starting to get that.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:03 pmHow do you know? Have you been there? Or are you just referring to the reports by leftwing media?
That's a five-point deduction for flogging a dead equine.
Your score is now -321.
Play ball.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:05 pmSorry Vinnie, that comment is from me, the real Spudge_Boy.
This IS me and I will send a private e-mail to Zooey right now to prove it.
Sometimes TP crosses into Fox territory and this is one of them.
I call bullsh!t.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:05 pmMan. She's just too hot.
http://www.irregulartimes.com/kookybachmann.jpg
July 24th, 2007 at 6:06 pmDearest Trolls,
July 24th, 2007 at 6:06 pmIt’s not a miss-quote if TP prints the entire passage of what was said… which they did. The Headline is obviously a commentary on how only a self-involved, delusional sheep such as this nit-wit of a congresswoman could even SAY such a thing to begin with. Palace or no, you’re in a country that is war torn people REAL people dieing all around you. This woman turns to her fellow representatives and says THIS!? REALLY!? That was your profound awakening lady? The palace is like the mall of America…. Great glad it wasn’t a trip wasted.
As much as Ms. Bachmann seems to be into flights of her own fancy it is important to note that she is not from Michigan (MI) but from Minnesota (MN).
July 24th, 2007 at 6:06 pmTP missed the point...it isn't about malls.....The focus should be on what Bachmann said when she said:
" Al-Qaida doesn’t show any signs of letting up.â€
If Al-Qaida is in Iraq at all now....it is all thanks to our invasion that deposed Hussein, who did not allow Al-Qaida in Iraq. But from what I read...the problem is now civil war between Sunni's and Shite...probably provoked and abetted by our presence as we give money & guns to both sides. sigh.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:06 pmNow that was funny.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:07 pmSix years after 9/11 and Al Qaeda has gone from being in Afghanistan to being in Afghanistan, Pakistan and Iraq.
Congratulations George W. that is quite a return of the initial investment.
-GSD
July 24th, 2007 at 6:08 pmNow that was funny.
Oh?
July 24th, 2007 at 6:09 pmI know who this lady is and who in their right minds elected her. She gives stupid a bad name.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:09 pmHow do you know? Have you been there? Or are you just referring to the reports by leftwing media?
Comment by GodSmoteTheSodomites
GSTS,
What re you? 11?
I have, and they are.
just because someone hasn't BEEN there, doesn't mean that what you hear in 'reports by leftwing media' are false. Dam* dude, just because it's not on FOX doesn't mean it's a lie meant to trap you.
Guess what? I've never BEEN to Africa, but I don't go around asking people to PROVE that people are dying in Darfur, or that there really are deplorable living conditions, starvation and rampant AIDS.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:10 pmOT - Giant hippy breasts attack Hillary Clinton HQ in SF: http://www.zombietime.com/hillary_sf_office_topless_protest/
July 24th, 2007 at 6:11 pmYeah, that had to be sarcasm, because there ain't nothing hot about that deer in headlights biatch.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:11 pm#29 Comment by GodSmoteTheSodomites — July 24, 2007 @ 5:59 pm
Trying to smite a few Sodoms, are we? Well, its "god's work," to be done by people like you, or so I hear from BushCo's pulpit.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:11 pmPlease take your inane and insincere questions and spout them from your usual soapbox in the local park. They will get no answers here.
#44: Heh. Code pink is such a riot. Today they made some noise in the Gonzales hearing and even the libturds in DKos were upset over that. What a bunch of losers.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:12 pmI love how librals twist facts to get headlines! Saying that Sadam Hussein's palace was like the "mall of America" is nothing surprising. So what, you say, that he used all the money and aid he was given to splurge on marble instead of feeding his people? oh, right....because then you would have to sound (pardon me) CONSERVATIVE.
love,
July 24th, 2007 at 6:13 pmMs. Neo- Con
Guess what? I’ve never BEEN to Africa, but I don’t go around asking people to PROVE that people are dying in Darfur, or that there really are deplorable living conditions, starvation and rampant AIDS.
Comment by SGT Higgins
Well said, Sarge.
GodSmoteTheSodomites, is too busy obsessing about butt sekks to use his brain.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:13 pmComment by Ringo — July 24, 2007 @ 6:11 pm
HEyOOOOOOOOOooooooOOOOOOOOoooooOOOOOooooOOOoOoOoo!
July 24th, 2007 at 6:14 pm#45: Well, I just happen to like professional women who dress in a conservative manner, wear a conservative hair, support conservative ideas and act in an adult manner in general. But hey, whatever floats your boat. Enjoy your STD-ridden, drug-addicted hippie-chick.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:15 pmActually Amanda, your presentation of this story is very badly constructed. Ringo and Kevin are correct in noting your obvious misrepresentation and I urge you not to pull this kind of crap--it is unnecessary.
Amanda writes: What was the palace like?
Bachmann: "I turned to my colleagues and said there’s a commonality with the Mall of America"
Amanda writes: In reality, Iraq is nothing like the Mall of America
Your larger point, Amanda, that Bachmann, like the majority of Bush boosters who visit Iraq and thus profess some relevant experience of it when they never actually gets beyond the Green zone "bubble" ( or have to be escorted by a 100 troops, attack helicopter and dressed in full body armor engage in an elaborate photo-op), and thus their cheery observations are therefore more "true" and "realistic" is a point you could have made without this "sleight of hand" editing.
It doesn't negate your point, but it by misrepresenting the context, you undermine your point that she (and her ilk) should be taken to task when they misrepresent reality--and in doing so this does nothing for your own credibility. nor by association the credibility of Think Progress--a site which I happen to rate very highly.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:15 pmComment by SGT Higgins — July 24, 2007 @ 6:10 pm
Spoken by a man of experience and wisdom! Well said Sarge.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:16 pmMuch to my embarassment, Bachman is from Minnesota (which makes her identification R-MN), not Michigan (R-MI)
July 24th, 2007 at 6:16 pmobsessing about butt sekks to use his brain.
Not as obsessed as you are, dude.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:16 pmDo they have an Orange Julius in Sadaam's old palace?
July 24th, 2007 at 6:17 pmEnjoy your STD-ridden, drug-addicted hippie-chick.
Comment by GodSmoteTheSodomites
Actually, your type of woman is more likely to be STD-ridden and drug addicted, due to massive denial and self-loathing.
We hippy-chicks are quite happy and free -- and educated about sex and drugs.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:17 pmHelloOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOO Kitty.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:18 pmI'm really disappointed that Atrios linked to this post. He's usually discerning enough to avoid pointing to an argument this disingenuous and a headline this misleading. And TP is usually honest enough not to rely on unlikely synecdochic readings to make its points.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:18 pmNot as obsessed as you are, dude.
Comment by GodSmoteTheSodomites
Hey, you chose your moniker, not me.
FYI, see #57. I'm not a dude. Sorry to disappoint you.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:19 pmNot as obsessed as you are, dude.
Comment by GodSmoteTheSodomites — July 24, 2007 @ 6:16 pm
Zooey, dude, is this true?
Did you used to post under ZooeySmoteTheSodomites?
July 24th, 2007 at 6:20 pmWe are to believe this without question. Now I wonder what the people of Iraq think of this great Mall with lights and running water. As the rest of Iraq has little light or water but in the safe Green Zone for Americans and Iraq friends of Americans they get it all. No mention of how this safe Green Zone where a bank got robbed of $280 Million American dollars without anyone knowing what happen. I guess Rep Bachmann wasn't interested in that stolen American money just that the Saddam Palace was like a mall and she could go fishing. Now our troops that are dying everyday mean nothing just that safe mall.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:20 pm#60: Dude, dudette, whatever. You're still more obsessed with "butt sekks" than I am.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:20 pm", that he used all the money and aid he was given to splurge on marble instead of feeding his people? oh, right….because then you would have to sound (pardon me) CONSERVATIVE.
love,
Ms. Neo- Con"
....sounds just like your average Amereican billionaire conservative to me
No wonder the republicans/cia put saddam in power in the first place - he shared all their core values
ps - God is a myth, who smites not, except through the hostility of the deranged people who follow supersititon rather than good sense - enjoy having your children molested by clergymen
July 24th, 2007 at 6:22 pmcan people here talk about the ARTICLE and NOT crude sexuality!
July 24th, 2007 at 6:22 pmComment by GodSmoteTheSodomites — July 24, 2007 @ 6:16 pm
Did you used to post under ZooeySmoteTheSodomites?
Well, Zooey is my god... I even stopped trolling because of her.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:22 pmWe hippy-chicks are quite happy and free — and educated about sex and drugs.
Comment by Zooey
Ok, that's hot. No matter what planet you're from. lol
Spoken by a man of experience and wisdom! Well said Sarge.
Comment by Merlin --- Aww shucks! Stop it. I have enough troublegetting my ego through the door as it is. lol
G'night all. Time for me to go.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:23 pmGodSmoteTheSodomites-
The primary crimes of the Sodomites were repeated economic crimes, both against each other and outsiders. One of the worst was to give money or even gold ingots to beggars, but to inscribe their names on them, and then subsequently refuse to sell them food. However, the unfortunate stranger would not be allowed out of the city, and would end up starving. After his death, the people who gave him the money would reclaim it.
This sounds rather like neo-con behavior.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:24 pmWell, Zooey is my god… I even stopped trolling because of her.
Comment by Bottom Boy — July 24, 2007 @ 6:22 pm
July 24th, 2007 at 6:25 pm---------------------------------------------------------------
Say... are you "TrollsforZooey"?
Will "Like the Mall of America" get added to:
July 24th, 2007 at 6:25 pm"The Official Republican Iraq Talking Points."
Yes. I was. Now I'm just "For Zooey".
July 24th, 2007 at 6:25 pmNow I’m just “For Zooeyâ€.
Comment by Bottom Boy
Sorry, nice try.
We're ALL 'For Zooey'. She's got my vote, and I don't even know what her platform is.
Ok, really leaving this time. =)
July 24th, 2007 at 6:27 pm"God smote the sodomites!"
-- Ted Haggard
July 24th, 2007 at 6:27 pmYes. I was. Now I’m just “For Zooeyâ€.
Comment by Bottom Boy — July 24, 2007 @ 6:25 pm
July 24th, 2007 at 6:28 pm----------------------------------------------------------
Oh, cool!
#68: Whatever. That's not what the Old Testament says.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:28 pmWhat? Those two pictures looked completely identical.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:29 pmDid you used to post under ZooeySmoteTheSodomites?
Comment by Martha Stewart
No, but I have been considering it. What do you think?
July 24th, 2007 at 6:29 pmI enjoy the new "Talking Points" Starburst. They dang fruity.
Right, Mr. Machos?
Right, Bottom Boy?
Hehehe...why am I so funny?
July 24th, 2007 at 6:29 pmIt's not Camp Snoopy anymore, BTW. Never figured out who was the bad guy there, the owners or the Schultz family. And I'm not sure there's any actual marble anywhere, but it's been a couple of years since I took a look just to say I have. It's not that opulent, just big. Never found the rape rooms, either...
July 24th, 2007 at 6:30 pmTo #64: tom baker,
Hussein did NOT ememplify conservative values! Rape, torture, murder, and terrorism are nothing that conservatives advocate, and you know it.
Liberals are the ones who let child molesters go free and want terrorists to have rights.
Of course, once again, I am insulted for my views and librals fail to realize that not all conservatives are christians. I'm an atheist, thank you very much, and I also happen to know a Jew and Muslim who agree with my views, so they thank you for insulting them as well. (I, unlike you will refrain from basking the liberal diety: Al Gore)
love,
July 24th, 2007 at 6:30 pmMs. Neo-Con
Comment by SGT Higgins — July 24, 2007 @ 6:27 pm
I very much appreciate your website, Sgt. Higgins. Good blessings to you and your family.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:31 pmThe Mall of Baghdad. Another The Westfield Group (ASX Code: WDC) property.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:31 pmWe’re ALL ‘For Zooey’. She’s got my vote, and I don’t even know what her platform is.
Ok, really leaving this time. =)
Comment by SGT Higgins
So sweet. :)
Goodnight, Sarge.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:31 pmHehehe…why am I so funny?
Comment by Lefty Cat Scan
Looks aren't everything, dear.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:32 pmTo #64: tom baker,
Hussein did NOT ememplify conservative values! Rape, torture, murder, and terrorism are nothing that conservatives advocate, and you know it.
Liberals are the ones who let child molesters go free and want terrorists to have rights.
Of course, once again, I am insulted for my views and librals fail to realize that not all conservatives are christians. I’m an atheist, thank you very much, and I also happen to know a Jew and Muslim who agree with my views, so they thank you for insulting them as well. (I, unlike you will refrain from basking the liberal diety: Al Gore)
love,
July 24th, 2007 at 6:33 pmMs. Neo-Con
Comment by Proud American — July 24, 2007 @ 6:30 pm
I hope that's satire, because if it's not, it's just too sad.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:34 pmAh yes, those good old trips to the mall, with the car-bombings, mortar fire, beheadings and sectarian massacres.
I remember them well.
-GSD
July 24th, 2007 at 6:34 pmIraq is the same as the Mall of America except for the car bombs, piles of bodies, fully-armed soldiers, civil war, lack of utilities, and the Bush Administration's trying to "fix it."
July 24th, 2007 at 6:35 pmI am insulted for my views and librals fail to realize that not all conservatives are christians. -Comment by Proud American
July 24th, 2007 at 6:35 pmNot all christians are conservatives.
Ah yes, those good old trips to the mall, with the car-bombings, mortar fire, beheadings and sectarian massacres.
I remember them well.
-GSD
Kind of kept us on our toes, didn't they?
July 24th, 2007 at 6:35 pmHere is another Bachmann classic:
U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann claimed two weeks ago to know of an Iranian plan for the partition of Iraq in which Iran would control half the country and set it up as "a terrorist safe haven zone" and a staging area for attacks around the Middle East and on the United States.
This woman is a wackadoodle. She's facing a really tough reelection campaign. Anyone want to take bets on her chances of being re-elected?
July 24th, 2007 at 6:36 pmAs a former Michigander, please correct the post to note that Reb. Bachmann is from Minnesota (MN) and not from Michigan (MI).
Doc Physics
July 24th, 2007 at 6:37 pmJust to keep you informed. Ace has arrived and is posting in the previous thread. No doubt he/she will be here soon to filibuster this thread, too, with the insane, off-topic conspiracy screeds.
So, if you want to have any decent discussion here, now is the time. Soon this thread will be full of ace's screeds.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:37 pmLeave it to Liberals to disregard important meaningful things as satire, while they sit around all day deciding how best to waste our tax $$$
-Ms. Neo-Con
July 24th, 2007 at 6:37 pmBreaking News:
John McCain trades in Straight Talk Express for a new Iraqi magic carpet (paid for with a nice fiver) to save on gas $ for his dying presidential campaign.
-GSD
July 24th, 2007 at 6:39 pmComment by Zooey — July 24, 2007 @ 6:32 pm
Why of course, Zoo-Zoo, but humor can make anybody look good.
Good blessings to you.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:39 pmBut I thought it was like a farmers market in Indiana over there...Now I'm confused...
July 24th, 2007 at 6:39 pmBachmann proves that she is certified stupid, so best for her to resign.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:39 pmI’m confused…
Comment by --Blue Girl — July 24, 2007 @ 6:39 pm
July 24th, 2007 at 6:40 pm--------------------------------------
We know, honey. It's going to be okay. Just take your medicine like a good girl.
#89 "Not all christians are conservatives."
Did I ever say they were!?!?! Liberals "hate" stereo-typing, yet it is liberal ideas and nastiness that lumps all conservatives into one evil-crazy-rich-christian-heartless group...right
Love,
July 24th, 2007 at 6:42 pmMs. Neo-Con
By the by, TPers, has anyone come up with any new ideas on how to waste our tax $$$?
I would like a list on my desk in the morning.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:42 pmDid I ever say they were!?!?! Liberals “hate†stereo-typing, yet it is liberal ideas and nastiness that lumps all conservatives into one evil-crazy-rich-christian-heartless group…right
Love,
Ms. Neo-Con
Only evil, crazy, and heartless, not necessarily rich or Christian.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:44 pmTaking count of how many trolls/non-trolls have had the hots for Zooey...
1. Lefty Cat Scan (TAFKA CT_V1)
2. Bottom Boy
3. ??
......
July 24th, 2007 at 6:44 pmwhat kind of district is it that would elect something like this?
July 24th, 2007 at 6:45 pm94: How many billions in tax dollars have the republics wasted in Iraq?
July 24th, 2007 at 6:47 pmFiscal conservatives - bullsh@t - you're crowd spends our tax dollars, like a drunken republic senator spends on prostitutes.
Godsmotesodomites: "Whatever. That’s not what the Old Testament says."
Are you a "Christian?" Because, if you are, the New Testament is supposed to be your primary book. Maybe you fell asleep when they explained this in Sunday School, but the New Testament is largely a repudiation of the Old Testament.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:48 pm#101: Martha, I'm sure you'd like Sybian.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:49 pmCorrection: she's from Minnesota actually R-MN, where the MOA is.
- Tom
July 24th, 2007 at 6:50 pmI can assure you that I am anything BUT heartless. I am a high school student who spends two hours a week visiting and helping seniors at a senoir home, run the blood drive for my school, raise money for the american cancer society, am part of a "buddy" program where I help and play soccer with mentally/physically handicapped children, bake turkey dinners for hungry and homeless on thanksgiving....etc.
So I would hope that those facts might cross out evil and heartless on your list...I assume that no matter what I do you will think that conservatives are insane....but we are GOOD people....I may not agree with you and vise versa, but I do not believe that you are a terrible person. Why are you not tolerant of my views? Why must you resort to name-calling?
-Ms. Neo-Con
July 24th, 2007 at 6:51 pmSounds like this crazy fu*k has a fetish for his mom.
I like how he whips out drug addicted and his greatest hero is Rush Limbaugh.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:53 pmNo worries folks Rep. Bachmann is just trying hard to win the affection of the President. Yes we know George hearts Connie but Michele is doing her best to replace Connie. This is just one way she is trying to get her man's attention. Some women will do anything to get the man they want. We might be seeing another Fatal Attraction this is getting scary. I hope the voters know that Rep. Bachmann is not working for them but she's on a mission of her own to get her man George W. Look for a famous cat fight between Michele and Connie over the idiot, drunk, druggie and coward baby George W.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:53 pmOnly evil, crazy, and heartless, not necessarily rich or Christian.
Comment by Martha Stewart — July 24, 2007 @ 6:44 pm
I can assure you that I am anything BUT heartless. I am a high school student who spends two hours a week visiting and helping seniors at a senoir home, run the blood drive for my school, raise money for the american cancer society, am part of a “buddy†program where I help and play soccer with mentally/physically handicapped children, bake turkey dinners for hungry and homeless on thanksgiving….etc.
So I would hope that those facts might cross out evil and heartless on your list…I assume that no matter what I do you will think that conservatives are insane….but we are GOOD people….I may not agree with you and vise versa, but I do not believe that you are a terrible person. Why are you not tolerant of my views? Why must you resort to name-calling?
-Ms. Neo-Con
July 24th, 2007 at 6:54 pmBy the by, TPers, has anyone come up with any new ideas on how to waste our tax $$$?
I would like a list on my desk in the morning.
Comment by Martha Stewart — July 24, 2007 @ 6:42 pm
The Senior Senator from Alaska Ted Stevens (R) seems to have lots of ideas on how to waste tax money, may be check with him, then check with the Iraq rebuilding group, seems these lost a few million somewhere along the line.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:54 pmRep. Michele the Dummy thinks one of Saddam's palaces in the Green Zone is like a giant mall? I doubt she noticed that no stores are in the palace, so I guess when she goes to malls she notices the architecture only. Plus I bet she has NO idea that Baghdad outside the Green Zone is a gigantic slum of violence and death. Every US politician that goes to Iraq should be dropped by parachute into Baghdad and let them try to survive.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:54 pm109: You may do a lot of good in the community, but your handlers at the Grand Old Pervert party are screwing the lives of the homeless, the seniors and the handicapped.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:56 pmWhy is bush vetoing health care for children? Why the cutbacks in education?
I only thank God that there is time for youngsters, like you to figure it out before you turn 18.
Why must you resort to name-calling?
Comment by Proud American — July 24, 2007 @ 6:51 pm
As long as you don't support this criminal, amoral, sick administration (and its enablers), I take back my little joke.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:56 pm#94: With the tax dollars that have been spent on this war, there won't be ANY tax dollars left for many, many years for anyone to spend on any projects, whether they are lame brained (bridge to nowhere) or for the good of the people.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:57 pm#113: Have the republics thought of any other ways to lose our tax dollars, besides having pallets of money stolen in Iraq?
July 24th, 2007 at 6:57 pmI can assure you that I am anything BUT heartless. I am a high school student who spends two hours a week visiting and helping seniors at a senoir home, etc, etc, ad nasuem....
-Ms. Neo-Con
Comment by Proud American — July 24, 2007 @ 6:54 pm
Any one got a bigger shovel, the bullshit is getting deep
July 24th, 2007 at 6:58 pmI’m an atheist, thank you very much, and I also happen to know a Jew and Muslim who agree with my views, so they thank you for insulting them as well. (I, unlike you will refrain from basking the liberal diety: Al Gore)
July 24th, 2007 at 6:59 pmBUT God is NOT!
I just learned that, after a recent move, I live two blocks outside of Ms. Bachmann's district. What a relief!
However, I still get subjected to her ravings in the local media. If she were to wander into a psyche ward, they wouldn't let her go.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:00 pmLet me ask you ms noitall(neocon).
July 24th, 2007 at 7:01 pmhave you ever been to any other nation besides america?
As long as you don’t support this criminal, amoral, sick administration (and its enablers), I take back my little joke. Comment by Martha Stewart — July 24, 2007 @ 6:56 pm
You may be happy to hear that I am not happy w/ Bush's administration....but unhappy to hear why: He is NOT acting like a conservative, and you are correct in that republicans have over spent like crazy (not on the war though)
AND BUSH is not fighting this like a war...its more like "let's take turns shooting at each other...okay now its your turn"....we never would have won WWI or WWII if we "fought" them this way!
-Ms. Neo-Con
July 24th, 2007 at 7:01 pm-Ms. Neo-Con
Comment by Proud American —
July 24th, 2007 at 7:03 pmHow much experience do you have in wars?
How much experience do you have, period?
how much experience do you have with foreigners?
Apparently you conservatives have selective blindness and you can't see that we are here discussing whatever we would like and a bunch of your conservative friends come here and attack us because of our opinion. Then you gloss over that and try to make us out to be the bad guy.
You deserve whatever you get for being complacent in allowing your conservative friends to attack us.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:04 pm-Ms. Neo-Con
Comment by Proud American —
July 24th, 2007 at 7:04 pmhow old are you?
I contacted the gushing reporter Kim Ode. You should too. kimode@startribune.com
July 24th, 2007 at 7:05 pmWell, shi-ite! I ALWAYS wear my full body armor when I go shopping!
July 24th, 2007 at 7:05 pmAny one got a bigger shovel, the bullshit is getting deep
Comment by Krazny — July 24, 2007 @ 6:58 pm
Let me ask you ms noitall(neocon).
have you ever been to any other nation besides america?
Comment by GoTFreeDUMB? — July 24, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
#1: do you simply not believe that I service my community because I am a conservative? I assure you that I take this all very seriously and that it is extremely important to me. It is a shame that you would not accept my volunteer work simply because of my moral/political views....I belive that anyone, whether libral or conservative, should be treated the same for service
#2: While i may have only been out of the country once, to the Bahamahs, it does not mean that I have not seen the "world"...afterall, i live in LA, I am around every type of culture and people that you can imagine....yes, I have seen poverty and hunger....yes, i also speak spanish almost fluently and LATIN!
-Ms. Neo-Con
July 24th, 2007 at 7:07 pmWE AREN'T FIGHTING AN ARMY LIKE WE WERE IN WWI AND WWII.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:07 pmpeople with NO war experience should stay out of politics, period!
July 24th, 2007 at 7:07 pmpeople with NO world experience should stay out of politics, period!
Whats the purpose of sending congress critters to Saddams palaces Ringo, other than a huge waste of taxpayers money?
Mrs Neo-Con, Remember the plan was to instill Democracy in Iraq so it would spread across the middle east. It was a UN/US resolution to use force. In effect it was a Police Action.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:08 pmWell, if you do, that is a great liberal trait. Keep up the good liberal work.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:08 pmI am a high school student
-Ms. Neo-Con
You could have stopped there. This is all we need to understand your "far reaching grasp" on the situations and issues facing this country.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:10 pmRead some more books, hun
123: Is it conservative to shred the Constitution, like president George Karl Cheney?
July 24th, 2007 at 7:10 pmBachmann is NOT from Michigan (MI).
I assume the story just used the incorrect state abbreviation (should be MN for Minnesota). Please - we don't want her here.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:10 pmFYI: I am 15, and PLEASE don't go on to me about how i'm so young and shouldn't be talking about politics because "i don't know"...okay, i get it you all think that you're oh so smart, and can't believe that you just been calling a 15 year old girl an "evil-heartless-dumbass-dick" (just to put in short many of the names I've been called....
I also have family in the services, so don't go on about not knowing about war....by the way, you don't have the right to say who can and who can not express their view....that's something we Americans like to call "Freedom of Speech"
-Ms. Neo-Con
July 24th, 2007 at 7:12 pmpeople with NO war experience should stay out of politics, period!
people with NO world experience should stay out of politics, period!
Comment by GoTFreeDUMB? — July 24, 2007 @ 7:07 pm
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This is looking like the dumbest post of the day...
Come on Lefties, only 5 hours remaining... you can do it!
July 24th, 2007 at 7:13 pmpeople with NO war experience should stay out of politics, period!
people with NO world experience should stay out of politics, period!
Comment by GoTFreeDUMB? — July 24, 2007 @ 7:07 pm
May I ask what your experience is?
-Ms. Neo-Con
July 24th, 2007 at 7:14 pm#1: do you simply not believe that I service my community because I am a conservative?
It's not important what I believe or think about you. The fact is I don't personally know you so I wont place you into some group think punditry type box or try to judge you by a political moniker as the idiot pundits try to do on a daily basis. The words liberal and conservative, thanks to pundits are so illy defined it could mean anything from Welfare recipient to a Hollywood actor.
The neo-cons are Straussian Philosophers and not what you would call religious conservatives. And Im glad that you 'service' your community.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:14 pm137: Only three more years to figure it out.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:15 pm#133: You beat me to it.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:15 pmNo, but we as adults have every right to understand that you don't know sh!t as you have proven on this thread. Go get some life experience, then come back and pretend you know what you are talking about. Until then, you are just a kid.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:15 pmCome on Lefties, only 5 hours remaining… you can do it!
Comment by Thrasymachos
Still feel the Constitutiion is a silly document?
(That is ALMOST as good as the late Mr P's comment on Saudis not being Moslems..."
July 24th, 2007 at 7:15 pm137: Why is bush vetoing health care for children?
July 24th, 2007 at 7:16 pm#100
July 24th, 2007 at 7:16 pm#89 “Not all christians are conservatives.â€
Did I ever say they were!?!?! Liberals “hate†stereo-typing, yet it is liberal ideas and nastiness that lumps all conservatives into one evil-crazy-rich-christian-heartless group…right
Love,
Ms. Neo-Con
Comment by Proud American
Proud American- Sorry, for not writing back right away.I had to run out for awhile. No, you did not say that. I was not arguing with you. I think we are all guilty from time to time of stereo-typing and nastiness.
Blessings
So...if I was a LIBERAL, would you say that I'm just a stupid high school student?
-Ms. Neo-Con
July 24th, 2007 at 7:16 pmCome on Lefties, only 5 hours remaining… you can do it!
Comment by Thrasymachos
I am nothing of the kind. Please define, just for sheets and grins, what a liberal, without resorting to sparkle box idiotic pedantics is.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:17 pmThis is looking like the dumbest post of the day…
Comment by Thrasymachos — July 24, 2007 @ 7:13 pm
Perhaps the dumbest non-troll post of the day.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:17 pmThank you Comment by leftcoast for not twisting my words and their meaning...
Love,
July 24th, 2007 at 7:18 pmMs. Neo-Con
As an ex-Minnesotan I had to check the district boundaries to make sure it wasn't my peeps putting this tool in office. Fortunately I hail from Rep. Ellison's district. What a relief - I thought I was going to have to call a DC madam to help me OD on Limbaugh's pain pills.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:19 pm# 147. Not stupid dear, just poorly informed.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:19 pmis "troll" one of your lovely words for consercative
love,
July 24th, 2007 at 7:20 pmMs. Neo-Con
You may be happy to hear that I am not happy w/ Bush’s administration….but unhappy to hear why: He is NOT acting like a conservative, and you are correct in that republicans have over spent like crazy (not on the war though)
AND BUSH is not fighting this like a war…its more like “let’s take turns shooting at each other…okay now its your turnâ€â€¦.we never would have won WWI or WWII if we “fought†them this way!
-Ms. Neo-Con
Comment by Proud American — July 24, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
I see that you're only 15, and I'm not going to say you know nothing about the world because of your age, but you must understand that your experience is limited.
For instance, you identify yourself as "Ms Neo-Con," but then say that you don't particularly like Bush because he is not acting like a true conservative. You are right in that assessment -- neo-cons are NOT true conservatives.
You might notice your inconsistency in calling yourself "Ms Neo-Con." This is why we have trouble taking you seriously.
BTW, are you the highschool student who was here a couple months ago gathering info for some school project?
July 24th, 2007 at 7:20 pmi meant conservative, above
love,
July 24th, 2007 at 7:21 pmMs. Neo-Con
Comment by Ringo — July 24, 2007 @ 5:43 pm
Amanda is quite juvenile in her approach to "jounalism". But that is to be expected considering her audience. Whenever the "progressives" dont have a sound arguement they find something to twist around so as to avoid losing as happens here often.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:21 pmI am nothing of the kind. Please define, just for sheets and grins, what a liberal, without resorting to sparkle box idiotic pedantics is.
Comment by Sovereign — July 24, 2007 @ 7:17 pm
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Well, I said "Lefty," not "liberal," but here is the text book definition of Post-Modern Liberalism, provided by Frank J -
July 24th, 2007 at 7:22 pm
FYI: I am 15, and PLEASE don’t go on to me about how i’m so young and shouldn’t be talking about politics because “i don’t knowâ€â€¦okay
July 24th, 2007 at 7:22 pmProud American
I think its fantastic! that you're taking such an active role in politics. More power to you. I think as long as you make as studious remarks (as all of us should be doing) and you seem to be doing here, you should receive respect.
Blessings again.
Rare is the 15 year old concerned about spending.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:23 pmThanks for lightening the mood, but if everyone could drop the "sweeties" and "huns" when talking to me, it'd be nice....just because I'm under 18, doesn't mean that I can't have an adult conversation
--> I use "Ms. Neo-Con" to emphasize that i am a TRUE conservative and not a Bush-Conservative....it was also thrown at me by a liberal on once of these blogs, and I decided to use it....
--> No, i was not on here a few months ago asking for a school project...i know better than that...
-Ms. Neo-Con
(or should I change to Ms. Neo-Troll?)
July 24th, 2007 at 7:25 pmis “troll†one of your lovely words for consercative
love,
Ms. Neo-Con
Comment by Proud American — July 24, 2007 @ 7:20 pm
No! Look up the definition of "internet troll" on wikipedia. We go by that definition here on TP. A troll can be of any party affiliation.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:27 pmYes. If you were a Moderate/Independent/Conservative/Liberal I would still call you a silly kid.
I wouldn't ask a kid for financial advice. I wouldn't ask a kid to diagnose what is wrong with my car and I sure as hell wouldn't want their opinion on world politics.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:27 pmI think its fantastic! that you’re taking such an active role in politics. More power to you. I think as long as you make as studious remarks (as all of us should be doing) and you seem to be doing here, you should receive respect.
Blessings again.
Comment by leftcoast — July 24, 2007 @ 7:22 pm
Rare is the 15 year old concerned about spending.
Comment by Retrogrouch — July 24, 2007 @ 7:23 pm
Thank you, I was surprised at how many people here immediately disregarded me once I said that i was 15. Teenagers are constantly told to be "aware" of the world around them and take up and interest in politics. I have been doing this for quite a while now, I watch the news everyday (don't wory, not just FOX), and while I am not intimidated I believe that it would be discouraging to young people to find that they should only be "aware" if they share the liberal view.
Once again, thanks.
Love,
July 24th, 2007 at 7:30 pmMs. Neo-Con
I believe that it would be discouraging to young people to find that they should only be “aware†if they share the liberal view.
Once again, thanks.
Love,
Ms. Neo-Con
Comment by Proud American — July 24, 2007 @ 7:30 pm
July 24th, 2007 at 7:32 pm----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nice!
So, you are saying that you are too young to know what an Internet troll is.
And you are not a conservative. You screen name says that you are a NeoCon. NeoCons are NOT conservatives. My mother and father are conservatives, they are NOTHING like George W Bush, who IS a NeoCon.
This is what we are talking about. You want us to think that you are worldly enough to jump in with the adults, but you don't know the difference between a NeoCon and a Conservative or what an Internet troll is.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:33 pm#163: If you want to be taken seriously, get rid of the "Love," before you sign your name.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:33 pm...it would be discouraging to young people to find that they should only be “aware†if they share the liberal view.
Liberal view = aware
July 24th, 2007 at 7:33 pmDon’t be upset Proud American, Zooey didn’t mean it, it was just satire. You have to learn to joke about these things.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:33 pmProud American-
July 24th, 2007 at 7:35 pmA neo-conservative (abbreviated as neo-con or neocon) is part of a U.S. based political movement rooted in liberal Cold War anticommunism and a backlash to the social liberation movements of the 1960s and 1970s. These liberals drifted toward conservatism: thus they are new (neo) conservatives. They favor an aggressive unilateral U.S. foreign policy. They generally believe that elites protect democracy from mob rule.
There we go. We told you it had nothing to do with liberal or conservative and you decided to ignore that and repeat the bullsh!t. You will make a great NeoCon and troll.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:35 pmBachmann's the broad who was literally pawing and slobbering all over Bush at the SOFU this year.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:36 pmmerlin
I had to leave last night but am glad you are here.
When I said "the situation on the ground" I immeadiately followed with the fact that Iran is already in Iraq. But true to "progressive" form you ignored that and alleged I was refering to the conjunture which followed. You then claimed I could not be taken seriously. Pllllease.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:37 pmA disaster that occured in 1972 when this plague took over the once great Democrat Party. An ideology that believes that America is the cause of all problems in the world. That liberty is a curse and human beings are destoying the planet earth.
I was 12 years old then. The great Democrat party was taken over, as most politics has been, by corporate America, people interested in nothing but the bottom dollar. I don't believe that America is the cause of all the problems in the world. I doubt anyone here would agree with that. I do think that we shouldnt act as policemen of the world. Democracy suffers when it comes from the end of a barrell. We, under the Republican guidance, have become less like in the world. Democracy is not suffering because of lefties, it's suffering because were seen as materialistic bullies. Sure we have a big stick to weild, but we should walk softly.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:37 pmThe problem is, I think, that the government is becoming corporatized and no longer functions for the good of the people. Politicians sell themselves to the highest bidders (lobbyists) and special interest groups and see office as a means to riches.
#163: If you want to be taken seriously, get rid of the “Love,†before you sign your name.
Comment by Jeannie See
July 24th, 2007 at 7:37 pmHow does being taken seriously somehow lose strength with the word "love" attached.
Love
Ms. Neo-Con,
Don't let these Lefties get to you, they live in a fantasy world of peace, flowers, and gum-drops. This is how they think:
Capitalism = Bad
President Bush = Bad
Christianity/Judaism = Bad
Moral Values = Bad
Communism = Good!
July 24th, 2007 at 7:38 pmAmanajihad (Pres. of Iran) = Good!
Muslim/Atheism = Good!
Moral Relativism = Good!
Anyone who thinks that Bush is a Neo-Con is WRONG! Oh, and i apologize for not knowing your blogger lingo...
Well, I guess its impossible to try to discuss anything with you guys because when you assumed I was an adult you called me never-ending names....once I say that i'm 15, that's all you can dwell on....
Love, (oh, is that politically incorrect blog lingo now)
July 24th, 2007 at 7:38 pmMs. NEO-CON
Proud American (and obvious listener to Hannity). Do your parents let you watch the Daily Show? You should, it'll help a lot with your political education.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:39 pm"In reality, Iraq is nothing like the Mall of America."
And to be fair, she never said it was.
Sheez, we have enough facts to fling in their faces without inventing analogies.
I really hate it when progressive sites do this.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:39 pmAnd just like a NeoCon you ignore the FACT that Saudi Arabia is in Iraq also.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:39 pmMichelle Bachmann, another Kool aid drinker. Maybe she meant it's like the Mall of American on the 4th of July??
July 24th, 2007 at 7:40 pm176: You right. bush is an old "con" and we in America are his "marks".
July 24th, 2007 at 7:40 pmMs. Neo-Troll sounds right.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:40 pmby the way, FYI. I served 21 1/2 yrs usarmy.
been to germany 13 yrs, korea 1yr, saudi 8 mo, mogudishu(samolia)Africa 6mo, cuba twice, 6mo times two., kandahar,bahgram Afganistan 6mo.
no more needs to be said.
freedom is NOT free.
have you heard? california/entire west coast will be going down into the ocean when the great earthquake hits.
should be soon.
noone knows the exact hour though.
Proud American (and obvious listener to Hannity). Do your parents let you watch the Daily Show? You should, it’ll help a lot with your political education.
Comment by helenahandbasket — July 24, 2007 @ 7:39 pm
Well, I don't liston to Sean Hannity (He's on when I'm in school) and yes I have watched the daily show. Although I do find some of it humorous, its not quite my cup of tea (my parents do not restrict my television, especially because of political views...we have what you call discussion..)
Love,
July 24th, 2007 at 7:42 pmMs. Neo-Con
Just scroll your fu*king browser up and you will see a one of your troll buddies actually say it is.
Yes, we live in a fantasy world where everybody gets along, unlike what the NeoCons want. Don't you see that the people you are supporting don't believe what you do?
That is why you need to grow up. You will soon realize you are nothing like those you apologize for.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:42 pm175: Straw man arguments (what else can the republics make) = bad.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:42 pmI apologize for the many typos above!
Ms. Neo-Con
July 24th, 2007 at 7:43 pmWe here at TP reject this totally un-American statement!
Capitalism = Bad
President Bush = Bad
Christianity/Judaism = Bad
Moral Values = Bad
Communism = Good!
Amanajihad (Pres. of Iran) = Good!
Muslim/Atheism = Good!
Moral Relativism = Good!
Anybody?
July 24th, 2007 at 7:43 pmThis statement shows unequivocally that you DO NOT know what you are talking about.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:44 pmDon’t be upset Proud American, Zooey didn’t mean it, it was just satire. You have to learn to joke about these things.
Comment by r — July 24, 2007 @ 7:33 pm
Shut the f*ck up, you tiresome moron, and mind your own business. I meant every word I said to Proud American.
That was not satire.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:45 pmThe only people who care the you spell something wrong are the trolls here. We are posting on an Internet thread and I don't think anybody has claimed to be a spelling bee champ or an expert typist.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:45 pmLooks just like the Maul of Merika,yep
July 24th, 2007 at 7:46 pmShut the f*ck up, you tiresome moron, and mind your own business. I meant every word I said to Proud American.
That was not satire.
Comment by Zooey — July 24, 2007 @ 7:45 pm
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Is that satire too?
July 24th, 2007 at 7:46 pm-Ms. Neo-Con
Comment by Proud American — July 24, 2007 @ 7:16 pm
Yes. If you were a Moderate/Independent/Conservative/Liberal I would still call you a silly kid.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — July 24, 2007 @ 7:27 pm
Sorry, spudge, but I will disagree with you here. I believe that 15 year olds have a very valid opinion and I listen and question them to get to the depth of their thinking and feelings. This does not mean I accept every idea they have. But they stir my mind to see things that us "wisened oldsters" miss.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:46 pmAnybody?
Comment by r — July 24, 2007 @ 7:43 pm
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Satire?
July 24th, 2007 at 7:47 pmThe problem is, I think, that the government is becoming corporatized and no longer functions for the good of the people. Politicians sell themselves to the highest bidders (lobbyists) and special interest groups and see office as a means to riches.
Comment by Sovereign
July 24th, 2007 at 7:47 pmThey buy all the seats at the table. You and I are left to nip at their ankles. The more this becomes apparent to the masses that they have no voice, the more volatile America will become. Terrorism may not necessarily come from Islam. It more likely well come from the disenfranchised. When government sees this approaching, as Cheney may, the corporate political power will engage in legislation that strips away search and seizure laws and incarceration (habeas corpus) laws.
and while I am not intimidated I believe that it would be discouraging to young people to find that they should only be “aware†if they share the liberal view.
The liberal view does not come from the mouths of media pedantry. They are in the business of creating controversy for cold hard cash. Lets take Rush Limbaugh, a staunch commie hater, but also who became what he fears most. A drug Addict. Brittney Spears called herself a conservative yet followed the same path. She ended up in Rehab. Paris Hilton, another wealthy self-decribed conservative ended up on the same hypocritical path. Lindsey Lohan is following suit. Nicole Richie so on and on....
Capitalism is not bad, as Thrachymose says, but it is not conservative. The fact is Thrachymose, the neo-cons were followers of a nutty professor named Leo Strauss. I suggest thrachymose enlighten himself to his ideology before he goes off half-cocked again.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:48 pm–> I use “Ms. Neo-Con†to emphasize that i am a TRUE conservative and not a Bush-Conservative….it was also thrown at me by a liberal on once of these blogs, and I decided to use it….
-Ms. Neo-Con
Comment by Proud American — July 24, 2007 @ 7:25 pm
I'm sorry, but Bush Conservatives ARE Neo-Cons. They are one and the same.
Maybe you are a Goldwater Conservative?
Or are you more socially conservative than Goldwater?
No, I don't consider you a troll.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:48 pmZooey,
You say it was NOT satire, which makes your comment DOUBLE satire, that’s genius.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:49 pm#174: I meant that if she wanted to be taken seriously as a neo-con, then she needed to get rid of the word "Love" before she signed her name. Seems like she is a little conflicted about being a "Liberel" vs being a "Neo-Con". A liberal might sign off with "love" but a "neo-con" would not.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:49 pmIs that satire too?
Comment by Thrasymachos — July 24, 2007 @ 7:46 pm
I said it was NOT satire, Mr President. Stop stirring up the shit.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:50 pmComment by Zooey — July 24, 2007 @ 7:48 pm
You're so wonderfully kind to newcomers, Zooey.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:51 pmI suggest thrachymose enlighten himself to his ideology before he goes off half-cocked again.
Comment by Sovereign — July 24, 2007 @ 7:48 pm
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I was talking about the TP Lefty ideology, not neoconservative ideology. Go back and read my original statement, I say nothing about neocons, other than when I was addressing Ms. NeoCon.
Zooey,
You say it was NOT satire, which makes your comment DOUBLE satire, that’s genius.
Comment by r — July 24, 2007 @ 7:49 pm
True to form, you fail to spot genius when actually faced with it.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:52 pmhoooo...looks like a rightard limpwristed slapfight..calm down girls BO is on in 5 mins.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:53 pmNuts, we might be up to TRIPLE satire.
How did this start again, with some satire about the recruits being BAIT?
July 24th, 2007 at 7:53 pmI said it was NOT satire, Mr President. Stop stirring up the shit.
Comment by Zooey — July 24, 2007 @ 7:50 pm
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I know. It was double satire. Right r?
July 24th, 2007 at 7:53 pmHow did this start again, with some satire about the recruits being BAIT?
Comment by r — July 24, 2007 @ 7:53 pm
July 24th, 2007 at 7:54 pm------------------------
Yep. Someone said that the troops were being used as bait.
To Ms. Neo-con.
I'm conservative in most of my views. I have supported many Republican candidates. However, if anyone called me a neo-con, I would deck them. The neo-cons are a specific sub-group that has hijacked the Republican party and the government of our country.
They have embroiled us in unwinnable, and unsupportable, wars while destroying our standing with, virtually, the entire world.
I'm glad you are still a "proud American" but, alas, I no longer am. I am deeply ashamed of what our country has come to stand for and I take my share of the blame.
I would suggest that you drop the "neo" part of your moniker. It doesn't seem to apply. May I suggest "hopeful-con", "young-con" or just "proud American"?
July 24th, 2007 at 7:55 pmSorry, spudge, but I will disagree with you here. I believe that 15 year olds have a very valid opinion and I listen and question them to get to the depth of their thinking and feelings. This does not mean I accept every idea they have. But they stir my mind to see things that us “wisened oldsters†miss.
Thank you! I do not expect/want ANYONE to accept my opinion because i am 15, or otherwise...i simply asked to be treated the same as everyone else (euqal opportunity, right?)
-Ms. CONSERVATIVE
July 24th, 2007 at 7:56 pmTaking count of how many trolls/non-trolls have had the hots for Zooey…
1. Lefty Cat Scan (TAFKA CT_V1)
2. Bottom Boy
3. ??
Comment by Lefty Cat Scan
Nice try CT but we all know you're gay.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:57 pm-Ms. CONSERVATIVE
Comment by Proud American — July 24, 2007 @ 7:56 pm
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NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
See what they have done to you?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
July 24th, 2007 at 7:57 pmMs. Neo-Troll sounds right.
by the way, FYI. I served 21 1/2 yrs usarmy.
been to germany 13 yrs, korea 1yr, saudi 8 mo, mogudishu(samolia)Africa 6mo, cuba twice, 6mo times two., kandahar,bahgram Afganistan 6mo.
no more needs to be said.
freedom is NOT free.
have you heard? california/entire west coast will be going down into the ocean when the great earthquake hits.
should be soon.
noone knows the exact hour though.
By the way Ms Troll, Knowledge and Wisdom are two different meanings.
you can have alot of Knowledge.
and you can have alot of wisdom.
but according to God, It is Knowledge, Not Wisdom, That will Get us Killed.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:58 pm
-Ms. CONSERVATIVE
Comment by Proud American — July 24, 2007 @ 7:56 pm
That's better. I like the "Ms" touch as well.
Please ignore the moron trolls, they are less mature than your average 7 year old.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:58 pmI don’t understand the satire, but it started with Zooeys “Recruits are BAIT†joke series.
I thought it was a serious comment, then it was declared satire, which made it all a joke.
But I don’t joke about the recruits being used as BAIT, so I didn’t get it.
I’ve been called stupid on this site cause I don’t get the high borough jokes.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:58 pmYep. Someone said that the troops were being used as bait.
Comment by Thrasymachos — July 24, 2007 @ 7:54 pm
That is not what was said.
July 24th, 2007 at 7:59 pm-Ms. CONSERVATIVE
Comment by Proud American — July 24, 2007 @ 7:56 pm
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Oh. Is this satire?
July 24th, 2007 at 7:59 pmOops, I'm gona pay for the autocorrect.
July 24th, 2007 at 8:00 pmNice try CT but we all know you’re gay.
Comment by shane — July 24, 2007 @ 7:57 pm
TP, please ban this 'shane' troll at last.
Grow up, grape nuts.
Shane uses the word "gay" in an attempt to hurl an insult. Quite ironic for a lefty.
Go "protect that resume.' HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!
July 24th, 2007 at 8:01 pmI’ve been called stupid on this site...
Comment by r — July 24, 2007 @ 7:58 pm
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July 24th, 2007 at 8:01 pmIndeed, r. It is the Lefty Know-it-alls, they are very smug.
….I may not agree with you and vise versa, but I do not believe that you are a terrible person. Why are you not tolerant of my views? Why must you resort to name-calling?
-Ms. Neo-Con
Comment by Proud American — July 24, 2007 @ 6:51 pm
Why are you here on a Progressive sight? You're maybe 15 years old, if we are to believe what you say, and come here lecturing like a pompous know-it-all. Why don't you go to Red States where you'll be as intelligent as most of the posters and they won't be as put off by your youthful arrogance.
July 24th, 2007 at 8:02 pmZooey also called me unqualified to give my opinion now that I think of it.
Wish I had a tissue.
July 24th, 2007 at 8:04 pm#198 -Seems like she is a little conflicted about being a “Liberel†vs being a “Neo-Conâ€. A liberal might sign off with “love†but a “neo-con†would not.
July 24th, 2007 at 8:04 pmJeannie See- Understand. And you're right; there seems to be some conflict or defining problems. Think its great to have young minds here. And Proud American gives me hope regardless of political bent.
Blessings.
Spudge,
July 24th, 2007 at 8:05 pmIf the Saudis are there it only solidifies my point which is the likelyhood of a pan muslim war which I think is likely upon US withdrawl.
youthful arrogance.
Comment by shane
July 24th, 2007 at 8:06 pmMan that's about as arrogant as you can get, Shane.
Zooey also called me unqualified to give my opinion now that I think of it.
Wish I had a tissue.
Comment by r — July 24, 2007 @ 8:04 pm
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It's okay, r. Sometimes the Lefties can be really mean-spirited and hurtful, they say things, at times, solely to hurt people.
July 24th, 2007 at 8:07 pmWhy are you here on a Progressive sight? You’re maybe 15 years old, if we are to believe what you say, and come here lecturing like a pompous know-it-all. Why don’t you go to Red States where you’ll be as intelligent as most of the posters and they won’t be as put off by your youthful arrogance.
Comment by shane — July 24, 2007 @ 8:02 pm
So simply because i phrase my sentances well I have become pompous? I have never been more flattered in my life.
As it is I do not know any conservative sites, and I find it far more interesting to debate/discuss w/ ppl my views...i did not know that oposing views were not allowed here. i don't like to simply hear myslef talk and those who I agree with....it seems you do
(btw: I live right out side of L.A., so I about as far from a red-state that you can get)
-Ms. Truly Conservative
July 24th, 2007 at 8:07 pm#
Zooey also called me unqualified to give my opinion now that I think of it.
Wish I had a tissue.
Comment by r — July 24, 2007 @ 8:04 pm
there there, You ARE however QUALIFIED TO JOIN THE MILITARY,
That might Cheer you up.
Same for you ms WhateverConservative, Duh. By the Way,
Do you KNOW The Definition of Conservative?
July 24th, 2007 at 8:09 pm
Comment by leftcoast — July 24, 2007 @ 7:47 pm
How true. As I have stated repeatedly the Dems and Repubs are one in this regard. The only way to free US of this tyranny is to starve the beast. Defund DC.
July 24th, 2007 at 8:09 pmto conserve thought by you would be nice.
July 24th, 2007 at 8:10 pmZooey,
July 24th, 2007 at 8:10 pmYou say it was NOT satire, which makes your comment DOUBLE satire, that’s genius.
Comment by r — July 24, 2007 @ 7:49 pm
True to form, you fail to spot genius when actually faced with it.
Comment by Zooey — July 24, 2007 @ 7:52 pm
Nuts, we might be up to TRIPLE satire.
How did this start again, with some satire about the recruits being BAIT?
Comment by r — July 24, 2007 @ 7:53 pm
I said it was NOT satire, Mr President. Stop stirring up the shit.
Comment by Zooey — July 24, 2007 @ 7:50 pm
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I know. It was double satire. Right r?
Comment by Thrasymachos — July 24, 2007 @ 7:53 pm
How did this start again, with some satire about the recruits being BAIT?
Comment by r — July 24, 2007 @ 7:53 pm
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Yep. Someone said that the troops were being used as bait.
Comment by Thrasymachos — July 24, 2007 @ 7:54 pm
That’s better. I like the “Ms†touch as well.
Please ignore the moron trolls, they are less mature than your average 7 year old.
Comment by Zooey — July 24, 2007 @ 7:58 pm
I don’t understand the satire, but it started with Zooeys “Recruits are BAIT†joke series.
I thought it was a serious comment, then it was declared satire, which made it all a joke.
But I don’t joke about the recruits being used as BAIT, so I didn’t get it.
I’ve been called stupid on this site cause I don’t get the high borough jokes.
Comment by r — July 24, 2007 @ 7:58 pm
Yep. Someone said that the troops were being used as bait.
Comment by Thrasymachos — July 24, 2007 @ 7:54 pm
That is not what was said.
Comment by Martha Stewart — July 24, 2007 @ 7:59 pm
-Ms. CONSERVATIVE
Comment by Proud American — July 24, 2007 @ 7:56 pm
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Oh. Is this satire?
Comment by Thrasymachos — July 24, 2007 @ 7:59 pm
Oops, I’m gona pay for the autocorrect.
Comment by r — July 24, 2007 @ 8:00 pm
I’ve been called stupid on this site…
Comment by r — July 24, 2007 @ 7:58 pm
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Indeed, r. It is the Lefty Know-it-alls, they are very smug.
Zooey also called me unqualified to give my opinion now that I think of it.
Wish I had a tissue.
Comment by r — July 24, 2007 @ 8:04 pm
i did not know that oposing views were not allowed here.
Comment by Proud American — July 24, 2007 @ 8:07 pm
Ramble away, kiddo. Dig your own grave.
July 24th, 2007 at 8:10 pmComment by GoTFreeDUMB? — July 24, 2007 @ 8:09 pm
Hey, are you the guy who told me that I should commit suicide?
(I used to be Mr. President)
July 24th, 2007 at 8:11 pmComment by shane — July 24, 2007 @ 8:02 pm
Don't mind 'shane', Ms. Conservative. She finds plenty of time to endlessly contradict herself and will probably see her own daughter rebel in a few years as a result of her unfit parenting.
You seem wise for your age, so you can properly discern one crazy lefty ('shane') from a rational one.
July 24th, 2007 at 8:11 pmThe equal opportunity is that you can post here all day long. That doesn't mean anybody has to listen to you.
I am glad that you dropped the Neo. That is a start.
But don't think you can lecture an adult on something when some of us have the same jobs longer than you have been alive. You need some perspective.
July 24th, 2007 at 8:12 pmZooey,
You say it was NOT satire, which makes your comment DOUBLE satire, that’s genius.
Comment by r — July 24, 2007 @ 7:49 pm
True to form, you fail to spot genius when actually faced with it.
Comment by Zooey — July 24, 2007 @ 7:52 pm
Nuts, we might be up to TRIPLE satire.
How did this start again, with some satire about the recruits being BAIT?
Comment by r — July 24, 2007 @ 7:53 pm
I said it was NOT satire, Mr President. Stop stirring up the shit.
Comment by Zooey — July 24, 2007 @ 7:50 pm
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I know. It was double satire. Right r?
Comment by Thrasymachos — July 24, 2007 @ 7:53 pm
How did this start again, with some satire about the recruits being BAIT?
Comment by r — July 24, 2007 @ 7:53 pm
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Yep. Someone said that the troops were being used as bait.
Comment by Thrasymachos — July 24, 2007 @ 7:54 pm
That’s better. I like the “Ms†touch as well.
Please ignore the moron trolls, they are less mature than your average 7 year old.
Comment by Zooey — July 24, 2007 @ 7:58 pm
I don’t understand the satire, but it started with Zooeys “Recruits are BAIT†joke series.
I thought it was a serious comment, then it was declared satire, which made it all a joke.
But I don’t joke about the recruits being used as BAIT, so I didn’t get it.
I’ve been called stupid on this site cause I don’t get the high borough jokes.
Comment by r — July 24, 2007 @ 7:58 pm
Yep. Someone said that the troops were being used as bait.
Comment by Thrasymachos — July 24, 2007 @ 7:54 pm
That is not what was said.
Comment by Martha Stewart — July 24, 2007 @ 7:59 pm
-Ms. CONSERVATIVE
Comment by Proud American — July 24, 2007 @ 7:56 pm
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Oh. Is this satire?
Comment by Thrasymachos — July 24, 2007 @ 7:59 pm
Oops, I’m gona pay for the autocorrect.
Comment by r — July 24, 2007 @ 8:00 pm
I’ve been called stupid on this site…
Comment by r — July 24, 2007 @ 7:58 pm
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Indeed, r. It is the Lefty Know-it-alls, they are very smug.
Zooey also called me unqualified to give my opinion now that I think of it.
Wish I had a tissue.
Comment by r — July 24, 2007 @ 8:04 pm
Comment by s — July 24, 2007 @ 8:10 pm
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What the hell is all this, some kind of super-duper satire?
July 24th, 2007 at 8:13 pmThere you go, another fine example of projection. Nobody told you that you couldn't have your own opinion, but you still project that on us.
July 24th, 2007 at 8:14 pmI see, if I give my view its called lecturing, but if you tell me to shut-up because I'm 15, its called advice...thanks
Ms. Truly Conservative
July 24th, 2007 at 8:15 pmNobody told you that you couldn’t have your own opinion, but you still project that on us.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — July 24, 2007 @ 8:14 pm
obviously you can't read....
Ms. Truly Conservative
July 24th, 2007 at 8:16 pmThere you go, another fine example of projection. Nobody told you that you couldn’t have your own opinion, but you still project that on us.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — July 24, 2007 @ 8:14 pm
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HEY LEFTIES!!! DON'T USE A TERM IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT MEANS!!!
CASE IN POINT:
"PROJECTION"
July 24th, 2007 at 8:17 pmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
That this woman represents my state is an embarrassment!
July 24th, 2007 at 8:18 pmGrow up, grape nuts.
Shane uses the word “gay†in an attempt to hurl an insult. Quite ironic for a lefty.
Go “protect that resume.’ HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!
Comment by Lefty Cat Scan
On the contrary CT I use it to point out that your supposed crush on Zooey is just more troll bullshit aimed at wasting readers time because she is not the appropriate sex for you to have a crush on her.
I don't think there's anything wrong with being gay. Apparently you do however.
July 24th, 2007 at 8:18 pmBut don’t think you can lecture an adult on something when some of us have the same jobs longer than you have been alive. You need some perspective.
Comment by Spudge_Boy
I have to say, I find this really pretentious. If Ms Conservative wishes to engage in an actual conversation, and isn't simply here to entertain herself by insulting liberals and leaving a long trail of thoroughly-discredited talking points, why should she have to kowtow to anyone who happens to be older than her? I'm probably older than you, Spudge, but I certainly wouldn't imagine that gave me some superior position over your opinions.
I mean, seriously, think Jake. He's 75 and you're something younger. Does he then hold an intellectual edge over you?
July 24th, 2007 at 8:19 pmHEY LEFTIES!!! DON’T USE A TERM IF YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT IT MEANS!!!
CASE IN POINT:
“MOSLEMSâ€
Comment by Thrasymachos — July 24, 2007 @ 8:17 pm
July 24th, 2007 at 8:21 pm#
Nobody told you that you couldn’t have your own opinion, but you still project that on us.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — July 24, 2007 @ 8:14 pm
obviously you can’t read….
Ms. Truly Conservative
Comment by Proud American — July 24, 2007 @ 8:16 pm
obviously you ARE on the WRONG SITE!
YOU SHOULD BE ON A REDSTATE/CONSERVATIVE SITE TO DISCUSS YOUR OPINIONS WITH THE SAME LIKENESS. GET IT?
July 24th, 2007 at 8:22 pm
Comment by Thrasymachos — July 24, 2007 @ 8:17 pm
Since Zooey's not available: Shut up, you piss-soaked troll!
July 24th, 2007 at 8:22 pmI THOUGHT T.P. WAS A LIBERAL SITE. NOT A NEOCON SITE.
WHICH IS IT T.P.>?????
July 24th, 2007 at 8:23 pm
youthful arrogance.
Comment by shane
Man that’s about as arrogant as you can get, Shane.
Comment by leftcoast
Please, I am in Los Angeles in an apartment complex with hundreds of teens. If you ask me Ms. Neo-Con is using the same tactic as Mr. P does and making the thead all about her. I don't really come to TP to make teenagers feel better about themselves. If you choose to go right ahead. And don't forget to stroke CT and Mr. P when you get done with Ms. Neocon.
July 24th, 2007 at 8:23 pmCASE IN POINT:
“MOSLEMSâ€
Comment by Thrasymachos — July 24, 2007 @ 8:17 pm
Comment by Martha Stewart — July 24, 2007 @ 8:21 pm
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huh?
That's not what I said...
I said:
HEY LEFTIES!!! DON’T USE A TERM IF YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT IT MEANS!!!
CASE IN POINT:
“PROJECTIONâ€
July 24th, 2007 at 8:24 pmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
If Ms Conservative wishes to engage in an actual conversation, and isn’t simply here to entertain herself by insulting liberals and leaving a long trail of thoroughly-discredited talking points,
Yes, I would like to engage in actual conversation, and what i originally posted here was just that, but I have been time and time again been ignored because of my age. That is your right, ignore me all you want. But when i attempt to defend myself please do not attack me for it. (thanks for the comment about age though...)
-Ms. Truly Conservative
July 24th, 2007 at 8:24 pmAnd don’t forget to stroke CT and Mr. P when you get done with Ms. Neocon.
Comment by shane — July 24, 2007 @ 8:23 pm
July 24th, 2007 at 8:25 pm------------------------------
Oh yes, I love it when you stroke me shane!
i don’t like to simply hear myslef talk and those who I agree with….it seems you do
Comment by Proud American — July 24, 2007 @ 8:07 pm
Bravo,
You nailed it.
The only thing they don't tolerate is dissent. They hold fast to their "progressive" ideology like religious fanatics but are far less open minded.
July 24th, 2007 at 8:26 pm(btw: I live right out side of L.A., so I about as far from a red-state that you can get)
-Ms. Truly Conservative
Comment by Proud American
Believe me I don't think you "phrase your sentences well" so that's not why I think you're pompous. And this post in particular, along with your continual name-changing makes your whole story less than believable.
July 24th, 2007 at 8:27 pmMs. Truly Conservative
Comment by Proud American —
July 24th, 2007 at 8:29 pmThere ARE Conservative SITES, did you KNOW That?
THEY Might like to hear Your Conservative THOUGHTS.
I do not know about here. I am pretty sure this is a Lib Site.
I personally am For Neither Parties as my name Suggests.
I am for Socialist Communism at best.
The only thing they don’t tolerate is dissent.
Comment by Troll — July 24, 2007 @ 8:26 pm
Do you have TP confused with a right-wing blog?
Trolls own this place!
July 24th, 2007 at 8:29 pmThe point that I originally made about this article is that Bachmann's comment about Hussein's palace is that this is EXACTLY what liberals think about rich powerful people in the US. Saddam Hussein splurged on himself and left others suffering. Her comment was not a reflection of the Iraqi people or the United Sates; it was an illustration of their former dictator and his neglect and torture of his people.
-Ms. Truly Conservative
July 24th, 2007 at 8:30 pmWhen I was 15 it would have because like our Proud American I didn't know shit at that age.
July 24th, 2007 at 8:30 pmMs. Neo-Con,
How do you feel about the situation in Iraq?
Are you in favor of the US staying committed, or do you favor a withdrawal?
July 24th, 2007 at 8:30 pmYou seem wise for your age, so you can properly discern one crazy lefty (’shane’) from a rational one.
Comment by Lefty Cat Scan
There you go confusing me with your mother again CT. Don't you have to clean the doublewide before you go to bed?
July 24th, 2007 at 8:31 pmSaddam was put in place by Americans. I.E.FMR Pres Nixon.
July 24th, 2007 at 8:32 pmMr. Troll (is it Mr.?)
I understand that you are in favor of a withdrawal, and hence the commencement of a pan-Muslim war. Is this your current position?
July 24th, 2007 at 8:33 pmYes, I would like to engage in actual conversation, and what i originally posted here was just that, but I have been time and time again been ignored because of my age. That is your right, ignore me all you want. But when i attempt to defend myself please do not attack me for it. (thanks for the comment about age though…)
-Ms. Truly Conservative
Comment by Proud American
One more time, neither this site or this thread are about YOU. If you choose to discuss Ms. Bachmann please do. If you choose to discuss yourself, expect to be confronted.
July 24th, 2007 at 8:33 pmcontinual name-changing makes your whole story less than believable.
Comment by shane — July 24, 2007 @ 8:27 pm
I simply changed my name because I LEARNED something from others (try that once in a while). Neo-Con was not entirely how I wanted to represent myself (a liberal on this site called me that, and I took it as my own). i assure you that I have been completely truthful...what "story" are you talking about?
-Ms. Truly Conservative
July 24th, 2007 at 8:34 pmYou are right, but showing your age, you act like a NeoCon and confuse rich with wealthy. Saddam wasn't rich, he was wealthy. Rupert Murdoch isn't rich, he is wealthy. The wealthy look down on rich people.
But, the biggest problem here is Bachmann wasn't taken aback by the excess. No, in fact she compared it to a mall. You know something most people like. And not just any mall, the mall of America, one of the most enjoyed malls in America.
July 24th, 2007 at 8:34 pmOh yes, I love it when you stroke me shane!
Comment by Thrasymachos
I wouldn't stroke you with CT's hand. And there's not a troll here I dislike more than CT.
July 24th, 2007 at 8:34 pmMs. Truly Conservative
What do you know about the Iraq/Iran Contra affair. Watergate?
July 24th, 2007 at 8:35 pm
You must know something about it.
July 24th, 2007 at 8:36 pmTrolls own this place!
Comment by Martha Stewart — July 24, 2007 @ 8:29 pm
TP might put up with us for they know if we left the regulars would blow their loads and leave. We keep the numbers up.
July 24th, 2007 at 8:36 pmHere is a quiz for Ms Truly Conservative.
At the end of Operation Desert Storm, who defended George H W Bush's decision to leave Iraq without going into Baghdad, because 600,000 coalition troops wouldn't be enough to hold the city?
And for bonus points, which office does that person hold now and for extra bonus points, why did that person say in 2003 that Operation Iraqi Freedom would be a cake walk with only 145.000 coalition troops after firing General Shinseki who said we would need a heck of a lot more than that?
July 24th, 2007 at 8:40 pm(try that once in a while). Neo-Con was not entirely how I wanted to represent myself (a liberal on this site called me that, and I took it as my own). i assure you that I have been completely truthful…what “story†are you talking about?
-Ms. Truly Conservative
Comment by Proud American
Yes I know, I read the entire thread. And I call you pompous because of comments like this "(try that once in a while)". And while your mother may want to put up with this attitude from a 15 year old, I do not.
July 24th, 2007 at 8:40 pmBachman: "It's like...totally justified...'cuz now they have a super great mall and stuff...OMIGOD, look how cute these shoes are!!"
July 24th, 2007 at 8:42 pmRE: "saddam wasn't rich he was wealthy"...ha ha ha... saddam was just a violent hoodlum from the wrong side of the tracks who muscled his way to the top...he accumulated/stole lots of money and pissed it away on gaudy very very nuvo pretentions of bad taste like his tacky palaces... rich, wealthy...but no taste, the man was just trash, my dear...like some rich Texans I know.
July 24th, 2007 at 8:42 pmWe keep the numbers up.
Comment by Troll — July 24, 2007 @ 8:36 pm
July 24th, 2007 at 8:43 pm-----------------------------
Indeed, and notice how when I tried to get the topic back to Iraq II, Spudge and Freedumb started talking about Iraq I, and Iran/contra?
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July 24th, 2007 at 8:44 pmIndeed, and notice how when I tried to get the topic back to Iraq II, Spudge and Freedumb started talking about Iraq I, and Iran/contra?
Comment by Thrasymachos
Sure Mr. P, that's your mission as a troll, to keep the threads on track. Only problem is this threads about Ms. Bachmann and her likening her visit to the Mall of America.
July 24th, 2007 at 8:45 pmWhat do you know about the Iraq/Iran Contra affair. Watergate?
I am not about to rattle off my knowledge of current (and past) affairs simply because you consider me too young to understand basic common sense.
--> As for one question: I DO NOT favor withdrawl from Iraq. This is SURRENDER, and having a Surrender set with a timeline to go along with it is just a happy little gift for all terrorists.
---> Iran: Sitting down and talking to Ahmadinejad is not going to solve anything. While at this point i am not in favor of invading/confronting Iran militarily, I believe that the strength lies in the suppressed Iranian people, who live in a world of propaganda.
-Ms. Truly Conservative
July 24th, 2007 at 8:47 pmWrong, my comment is about Iraq 1 and 2 as they are connected dumb fu*k.
July 24th, 2007 at 8:47 pmnull
Comment by Thrasymachos
July 24th, 2007 at 8:47 pmStepped in it , Didn,t You.
her likening her visit to the Mall of America.
Comment by shane — July 24, 2007 @ 8:45 pm
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No. That's just TP lying to you.
She said that Saddam's palace had "a commonality with the Mall of America."
July 24th, 2007 at 8:47 pmBecause you have none.
Here, since you don't know, the answer is:
DICK CHENEY
July 24th, 2007 at 8:50 pm-Ms. Truly Conservative
Comment by Proud American —
July 24th, 2007 at 8:51 pmyou are a little too young for the military right right now. as a matter of fact are you not too young too vote?
come back when you are draftable.
SURRENDER, and having a Surrender set with a timeline to go along with it is just a happy little gift for all terrorists.
—> Iran: Sitting down and talking to Ahmadinejad is not going to solve anything. While at this point i am not in favor of invading/confronting Iran militarily, I believe that the strength lies in the suppressed Iranian people, who live in a world of propaganda.
-Ms. Truly Conservative
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I agree on both points.
I also feel that more needs to be done to bring the Iraqi people together. We need to shatter their sectarian identities so that they can become Iraqis instead of Sunnis or Shias. This may take years of deprogramming, though.
If the Iranian people could come together and stand up to the crazy leaders, I don't see a need to invade either.
July 24th, 2007 at 8:52 pmHere's an easy question for Ms Truly Conservative.
Who would we surrender to?
July 24th, 2007 at 8:53 pmAnd people all around the globe are saying the same thing about the United States right this minute. Thanks to you NeoCons.
July 24th, 2007 at 8:54 pmI'm going to go deprogram a Catholic.
July 24th, 2007 at 8:54 pmyou are a little too young for the military right right now. as a matter of fact are you not too young too vote?
come back when you are draftable.
Comment by GoTFreeDUMB? — July 24, 2007 @ 8:51 pm
So, since I'm below voting age and can't yet join the military, I am not a US citizen? Just ignore the fact that my goal is to go to USAFA...
-Ms. Truly Conservative
July 24th, 2007 at 8:56 pmI’m going to go deprogram a Catholic.
Comment by Martha Stewart — July 24, 2007 @ 8:54 pm
July 24th, 2007 at 8:56 pm--------------------
It may take years.
It may take years.
Comment by Thrasymachos — July 24, 2007 @ 8:56 pm
It'll be worth it.
July 24th, 2007 at 8:58 pmI’ve been called stupid on this site cause I don’t get the high borough jokes.
Comment by r — July 24, 2007 @ 7:58 pm
No, you have not been called stupid because you don't understand our humor. You were called stupid because even after you were enlightened as to the fact of that humor, you continued to whine and tried to inflame others. That makes you stupid and a troll.
Got it?
Here's a tissue.
July 24th, 2007 at 8:58 pmShe's in awe of a tyrants palace. Yeaaaaa that's great. It's magical like Disneyland!
I live in Minnesota along with her freaky self. I honestly do not understand how she ever won that seat.
Her husband is a shrink that "deprograms" gay people. She said flat out that her husband told her that she should run for office, "and being a good christian woman that obeys her husband," she did as his de-gayness decreed.
Where is her own opinion when she's simultaneously obeying her hubby and King George the holy chosen christian messiah?
As Hyde said in That Seventies Show, psssssssssssssycho!
July 24th, 2007 at 8:59 pmComment by Thrasymachos — July 24, 2007 @ 8:17 pm
Since Zooey’s not available: Shut up, you piss-soaked troll!
Comment by gummitch — July 24, 2007 @ 8:22 pm
Thank you, my friend. I owe you one. :)
July 24th, 2007 at 8:59 pmI think Baghdad is a "E" ticket ride.
Horrors!
Bullets!
Bombs!
Death!
Fear!
Oh but there's lots of marble!!!!
July 24th, 2007 at 8:59 pmSounds like loads of fun.
Sheesh what is it with you people that you don't have the courage to join a real branch of the service. Everyone of you people joins the friggin' Air Force. Bunch of pu$$ies too scared to get shot at.
July 24th, 2007 at 9:00 pmHer husband is a shrink that “deprograms†gay people.
It might take years.
July 24th, 2007 at 9:00 pmSheesh what is it with you people that you don’t have the courage to join a real branch of the service. Everyone of you people joins the friggin’ Air Force. Bunch of pu$$ies too scared to get shot at.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — July 24, 2007 @ 9:00 pm
She's got Thras beat.
July 24th, 2007 at 9:01 pmEveryone of you people joins the friggin’ Air Force. Bunch of pu$$ies too scared to get shot at.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — July 24, 2007 @ 9:00 pm
Besides the fact that this is one of the rudest comments I have heard...I will also be applying to West Point, Navy, and Coast Guard!
anyone who serves this country deserves respect
-Ms. Truly Conservative
July 24th, 2007 at 9:03 pmTrue, at least she is willing to serve unlike the rest of the pu$$y trols around here.
July 24th, 2007 at 9:03 pmwait until three more years. then say that Ms. Truly Conservative.
July 24th, 2007 at 9:06 pmright now that, I am , dosnt fly. who knows, in three more yeaars we might be at war with north korea , china,syria,iran, etc...
I want to go on record as saying I do not believe members of the Air Force are pu$$ies.
I do, however, get Spudge's point.
July 24th, 2007 at 9:08 pm2010, we won,t even be around, california will be under the ocean... get my point? missy?
July 24th, 2007 at 9:08 pmTrue, at least she is willing to serve unlike the rest of the pu$$y trols around here.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — July 24, 2007 @ 9:03 pm
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True, I don't serve anybody.
July 24th, 2007 at 9:08 pm2010, we won,t even be around, california will be under the ocean… get my point? missy?
Comment by GoTFreeDUMB? — July 24, 2007 @ 9:08 pm
July 24th, 2007 at 9:09 pm-------------------------------------------
huh?
right now that, I am , dosnt fly.
this is mean what, exactly?
-Ms. Truly Conservative
July 24th, 2007 at 9:11 pmright now that, I am , dosnt fly.
can anyone figure out what this means?
-Ms. Truly Conservative
July 24th, 2007 at 9:13 pmTrue, I don’t serve anybody.
Comment by Thrasymachos
Serve, no. Service, yes.
July 24th, 2007 at 9:14 pm*yawn*
The Lefties don't want to discuss the issues, Ms. Neo-Con. They just want to undermine your opinion because you don't agree with them.
July 24th, 2007 at 9:14 pmMs. Neo-Con,
It was a pleasure. The libs seem to have wandered off.
Good night.
July 24th, 2007 at 9:15 pmThanks...it was nice to have someone else w/ some sense around here too...i've got to do my calculus homework anyway....
-Ms. Neo-Con
July 24th, 2007 at 9:17 pm@294
I will also be applying to West Point, Navy, and Coast Guard!
-Ms. Truly Conservative
Comment by Proud American —
July 24th, 2007 at 9:18 pmI will, Iam,, same thing. you are ststing presently what you will be doing in three years from now.
that sounds like a "I am" remark.
How do you know you WILL be alive three years from now?
you Don,t know that.
You are getting ahead of yourself.
No, you have not been called stupid because you don’t understand our humor. You were called stupid because even after you were enlightened as to the fact of that humor, you continued to whine and tried to inflame others. That makes you stupid and a troll.
Got it?
Here’s a tissue.
Comment by Zooey — July 24, 2007 @ 8:58 pm
But Zooey, Satire is humor right. And you said
“Thank you for your support of the BAIT.
Run on down to the recruiter’s office, they’re looking for more BAIT.
Comment by Zooey — July 23, 2007 @ 9:00 pmâ€
This is humor? Is there a punch line? And tell us again about the homosexuals = PERVERTS jokes miney r added, you didn’t reject that at all did you?
You’re right, even when you insist that it is in FACT humor, I don’t get it.
Thanks for the tissue. Now quit sniveling. SATIRE get it!
July 24th, 2007 at 9:18 pmyou are stating
July 24th, 2007 at 9:18 pm-Ms. Neo-Con
Comment by Proud American — July 24, 2007 @ 9:17 pm
Well, it was worth a try. Please remember that most of us did not dismiss you.
July 24th, 2007 at 9:19 pmThanks for the tissue. Now quit sniveling. SATIRE get it!
Comment by r
Right. You don't get it. I get it.
Please stop confirming for everyone just how big an idiot you are.
July 24th, 2007 at 9:22 pmIt's embarrassing.
three more years? a long time away. you might be dead by then.
July 24th, 2007 at 9:23 pmmy daughter served, she was smart enough to get out. shes living overseas now.
smart girl, i raised.
I'm glad you get finally.
It doesn’t surprise me that you are embarrassed. As you (maybe not you personally, but TPers in general) often finger scream at the computer†JUST APOLOGIZE!!
July 24th, 2007 at 9:25 pmThanks for the tissue. Now quit sniveling. SATIRE get it!
Comment by r — July 24, 2007 @ 9:18 pm
I'm not quite sure what Zooey meant by "bait". Perhaps there is some slang definition I am not aware of.
Recruiters have had to lower their standards and resort to questionable practices to meet their quotas. They are trying their best to "lure" young people to join the Armed Services. Perhaps this is where the "bait" concept applies.
Or perhaps a recruit becomes more "bait" to throw into this piranha-infested ocean of war.
This is not a slight to the troops, as far as I can tell. It in no way denigrates their courage, valor, intelligence, patriotism, or any other positive trait I can think of.
Satire is not necessarily humor. It points out human folly through irony, derision, or wit.
Please explain to me why you find this conversation worth bringing up again and again.
July 24th, 2007 at 9:32 pmMartha Stewart sez:
She was being facetious...a literary device that "r" seems incapable of understanding.
July 24th, 2007 at 9:35 pmWhat do you know about the Iraq/Iran Contra affair. Watergate?
I am not about to rattle off my knowledge of current (and past) affairs simply because you consider me too young to understand basic common sense.>>>Because you have none and didn't live through it. Iran/Contra is what changed my Mother's view and she was a devout Repug because she is fiscally conservative. She has voted a straight Dem ticket since then. (Disclosure: My Mom had some inside knowledge.)
–> As for one question: I DO NOT favor withdrawl from Iraq. This is SURRENDER, and having a Surrender set with a timeline to go along with it is just a happy little gift for all terrorists.>>Surrender???? Are you out of your mind? We invaded a country that DID NOT INVADE THE USA. Hell, even my 15 year old nephew knows that much.
—> Iran: Sitting down and talking to Ahmadinejad is not going to solve anything. While at this point i am not in favor of invading/confronting Iran militarily, I believe that the strength lies in the suppressed Iranian people, who live in a world of propaganda. >> Sweetie, you are living in the right-wing propaganda. What you don't understand is that the Middle East has a problem the USA deciding that we have the right to wage war against them because "WE" don't care for their policies/religion (not to mention their resoures).
And because the current Bush's ego is so friggin' big and he has serious "daddy" issues he has decided (being the Decider that he is) that it was necessary to kill Sadam because he tried to kill his daddy. At least, that's one of the excuses he has tried to pawn off on the American People.
-Ms. Truly Conservative
Comment by Proud American — July 24, 2007 @ 8:47 pm
July 24th, 2007 at 9:45 pmJUST APOLOGIZE!!
Comment by r — July 24, 2007 @ 9:25 pm
I have nothing to apologize for. You can give that up right now.
July 24th, 2007 at 9:47 pmShe was being facetious…a literary device that “r†seems incapable of understanding.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 24, 2007 @ 9:35 pm
That's a better word for it than satire.
Thanks, TMM.
July 24th, 2007 at 9:50 pmComment by Jeannie See —
Thank You.
I Too have ALOT of inside knowledge Along with WISDOM too Know better.
like i said to ms conservative, we wont be around 2010.
there WILL be a GREAT and HORRIFYING EARTHQUAKE/QUAKES right here in n.america. real soon.
July 24th, 2007 at 9:50 pm
You idiots, she was comparing one of Saddam's palaces to the mall. You know, the palaces he built with OFF money instead of spending it on what it was intended for...the humanitarian relief for 10's of thousands of Iraqi's that suffered and died under US sanctions.
You've never been there Amanda. STFU.
July 24th, 2007 at 9:51 pm*yawn*
The Lefties don’t want to discuss the issues, Ms. Neo-Con. They just want to undermine your opinion because you don’t agree with them.
Comment by Thrasymachos — July 24, 2007 @ 9:14 pm
I tired to ask Ms Truly Confused about the topic three different times and she chose to go with:
"I am not about to rattle off my knowledge of current (and past) affairs simply because you consider me too young to understand basic common sense."
So, go fu*k yourself.
July 24th, 2007 at 9:51 pmshe was comparing one of Saddam’s palaces to the mall.
Comment by memphis minnie — July 24, 2007 @ 9:51 pm
Yeah, that was said in post number 4. Do you have anything original to say.
July 24th, 2007 at 9:53 pm313
I’d like to tell you what Zooey thinks, but you don’t care, you’ll side that direction no matter what. All I can add is what Zooey posted (again):
Republicans are saving civilian Americans from attacks here, while terror organizations focus on disrupting Coalition efforts in Iraq.
Comment by paul — July 23, 2007 @ 6:56 pm
Thank you for your support of the BAIT.
Run on down to the recruiter’s office, they’re looking for more BAIT.
Comment by Zooey — July 23, 2007 @ 9:00 pm
I don’t know what pauls point was, but Zooey decided to respond with recruits = BAIT.
That’s the whole post.
Then later added that is was just satire.
And after that it was said that they had been around TP a lot longer than me and they knew each others satire. I guess I don’t understand the Good Old Boys Club at TP. It’s all inside jokes and someone like me is too stupid and unqualified to understand.
July 24th, 2007 at 9:55 pmZooey sez:
Satire is r's word. Any wonder that it doesn't fit?
Always at your service, m'lady.
<bow>
July 24th, 2007 at 9:55 pmAnd after that it was said that they had been around TP a lot longer than me and they knew each others satire. I guess I don’t understand the Good Old Boys Club at TP. It’s all inside jokes and someone like me is too stupid and unqualified to understand.
satire does not = joke
July 24th, 2007 at 9:58 pmIt’s all inside jokes and someone like me is too stupid and unqualified to understand.
Comment by r — July 24, 2007 @ 9:55 pm
You can say that again and again and again and ........
July 24th, 2007 at 9:58 pmBut facetious does = humorous. Use that if you like.
July 24th, 2007 at 10:00 pmoh shut up already!
July 24th, 2007 at 10:03 pmShe was being facetious…a literary device that “r†seems incapable of understanding.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 24, 2007 @ 9:35 pm
That’s a better word for it than satire.
Thanks, TMM.
Comment by Zooey — July 24, 2007 @ 9:50 pm
You’re right that’s a better word, but yesterday Zooey posted:
It is satire. Cruel satire. That’s how paul is talking about the troops or “coalition,†if you will — as if they are bait, keeping the evil terrorists over there by being available for the slaughter. He’s a moron.
No offense meant.
Comment by Zooey — July 23, 2007 @ 9:08 pm
First it was just a raw post, then it was satire, now it's facetious.
Thanks, TMM.
July 24th, 2007 at 10:05 pmwow! what an intelligent discussion!
July 24th, 2007 at 10:06 pmIt’s all inside jokes and someone like me is too stupid and unqualified to understand.
Comment by r — July 24, 2007 @ 9:55 pm
You can say that again and again and again and ……..
Comment by Spudge_Boy — July 24, 2007 @ 9:58 pm
Ok, thanks.
July 24th, 2007 at 10:07 pmuhhhh....
July 24th, 2007 at 10:09 pmIt’s all inside jokes and someone like me is too stupid and unqualified to understand.
Comment by r — July 24, 2007 @ 9:55 pm
You can say that again and again and again and ……..
Comment by Spudge_Boy — July 24, 2007 @ 9:58 pm
Ok, thanks.
Comment by r — July 24, 2007 @ 10:07 pm
No problem, I am always ready to let you call yourself an idiot, because you are acting like one.
July 24th, 2007 at 10:13 pmMs. Neo-Con, high school calc, psst, try Vector Analysis. Not all of us "Liberal" are stupid.
July 24th, 2007 at 10:14 pmRUSH: The president just concluded a bang-bang speech on the progress of the surge in Iraq. I've been watching it while working here on the closed-captioning, reading some of it, and just really kicking butt with this speech, very upbeat and positive.
J. R. Dunn today in the American Thinker, the surge is working, it is succeeding, and everybody is aware of it, and so how is that going to be dealt with? It's going to be ignored, says Mr. Dunn at the AmericanThinker.com today. The results are being ignored now. "Virtually no media source or Democratic politician is willing to admit that the situation on the ground has changed dramatically over the past three months. Coalition efforts have undergone a remarkable reversal of fortune, a near-textbook example as to how an effective strategy can overcome what appear to be overwhelming drawbacks," not the least of which is a major political party in the United States. "The Coalition has left the treadmill in which one step of progress seemed to unavoidably lead to two steps back. It requires some time to discover the proper strategy in any war," but it appears that it has been reached here. I gave you all the details yesterday about the Sunnis and the Shi'a getting together, 25 different tribes, people getting fed up with Al-Qaeda, even low level Al-Qaeda members in Iraq becoming informants on the bad guys, upset with the barbaric nature of their behavior.
"Someday 2006," Mr. Dunn writes, "may be seen as Iraq's 1943. It appears that Gen. David Petreaus has discovered the correct strategy for Iraq: engaging the Jihadis all over the map as close to simultaneously as possible. Keeping them on the run constantly, giving them no place to stand, rest or refit. ... We will see more of this in the weeks ahead. The Jihadis have come up with no effective counterstrategy, and the old methods have begun to lose mana. The last massive truck-bomb attack occurred not in Baghdad, but in a small Diyala village that defied Al-Queda. An insurgency in the position of using its major weapons to punish noncombatants is not in a winning situation. You will look long and hard to find any of this in the legacy media." It isn't there. It cannot be reported that the surge is succeeding, so what will be focused on, ladies and gentlemen, is how the political situation is falling apart, they're not making progress and so forth.
So whatever the good news is, it's like the Drive-Bys and the Democrat Party find a way to avoid it. Their worst nightmare is for this news to start trickling out for the Democrat Party.
END TRANSCRIPT
July 24th, 2007 at 10:14 pmEND TRANSCRIPT
Comment by Frank J — July 24, 2007 @ 10:14 pm
Now I'm bored.
July 24th, 2007 at 10:16 pmPerhaps, Rep Bachmann (R MI) was refering to this item:
July 24th, 2007 at 10:16 pmhttp://www.mycrimespace.com/2007/05/08/minn-teen-attacked-over-myspace/
Surely knits experiences in Baghdad with thse at the "maul".
thse s/b those, sorry.
July 24th, 2007 at 10:18 pmComment by Frank J — July 24, 2007 @ 10:14 pm
What's the matter, Frankie? Run out of your own brand of STUPID, so you had to import some of Rush's?
July 24th, 2007 at 10:20 pmGN all. Not that I contributed much to the topic of the thread. But seriously, stupid is as stupid does. This is the woman that was hanging on to dufus after his SOTU Address. YUCK.
July 24th, 2007 at 10:21 pm"The president just concluded a bang-bang speech on the progress of the surge in Iraq. I’ve been watching it while working here on the closed-captioning, reading some of it, and just really kicking butt with this speech, very upbeat and positive."
And Rush Limbuagh and you idiots are the only people in the world that belived one word of what came out of Chimpy Mc Flight Suits mouth. The rest of the reality based world just yawned at the same exact speak Cluster Fu*k Bush gave 4 years ago and 3 years ago and 2 years agao and 1 year ago and 6 months agoa and yesterady and tomorrow and next week and 3 months from now.
He just repeats the same talking points you guys do and nobody but the 28%ers buy it.
July 24th, 2007 at 10:26 pmI get it, you're just being saterical or facetious:
It’s all inside jokes and someone like me is too stupid and unqualified to understand.
Comment by r — July 24, 2007 @ 9:55 pm
You can say that again and again and again and ……..
Comment by Spudge_Boy — July 24, 2007 @ 9:58 pm
Ok, thanks.
Comment by r — July 24, 2007 @ 10:07 pm
No problem, I am always ready to let you call yourself an idiot, because you are acting like one.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — July 24, 2007 @ 10:13 pm
July 24th, 2007 at 10:31 pmI am a Republican who does not like Michele Bachmann (and am not popular with some activists as a result of that) - but most Republicans are very happy with her - I've been to Republican events - and she is treated like a rock star there.
Anyone who thinks there is going to be an effort by Republicans to get rid of Bachmann is smoking something. Republicans in Minnesota will get rid of embarrassments in the party - but it's got to rise higher than what Bachmann has done.
July 24th, 2007 at 10:32 pmoh shut up already!
Comment by bored — July 24, 2007 @ 10:03 pm
Yes, please.
July 24th, 2007 at 10:32 pmComment by r — July 24, 2007 @ 10:31 pm
While I appreciate the wrap-up of you making yourself look like a dumb fu*k, shouldn't you have added some other assinine comment?
July 24th, 2007 at 10:34 pmComment by Spudge_Boy — July 24, 2007 @ 10:26 pm
I take umbridge at your comment. I never supported a Bush statement other than "I could be wrong,". I dropped the " but...". The epsilon has so many variations that I can't even try to enumerate them!
July 24th, 2007 at 10:38 pmComment by r — July 24, 2007 @ 10:31 pm
While I appreciate the wrap-up of you making yourself look like a dumb fu*k, shouldn’t you have added some other assinine comment?
Comment by Spudge_Boy — July 24, 2007 @ 10:34 pm
Don't worry about it Spunge Boy, I haven't complained about any of your posts, and this thread is dead anyway.
You Nazi - SATIRE!!!! Gawd, it works every time. Thank you Zooey {smooch}{Smooch}{smooch]
Ok, and that was being facetious.
I think I get your humor now, can I be in the TP Good Old Boys Club?
July 24th, 2007 at 10:45 pm"Don’t worry about it Spunge Boy, I haven’t complained about any of your posts, and this thread is dead anyway."
Oh, now it is third grade name calling? Wow, you are a piece of work.
July 24th, 2007 at 10:47 pmThe only thing that Michele Bachmann has done beyond my ability is to get pregnant five times. According to her bio: http://www.vote-smart.org/bio.php?can_id=54675 - she was never born and has no religion.
July 24th, 2007 at 10:51 pmOops, heh.
Totally inadvertent. I just didn't read closely. This is not Zooey style SATIRE or TripMaster Monkey style facetiousness.
Sorry Spudge_Boy
July 24th, 2007 at 10:52 pmOops, sack time for this old man. I will put the machine into sleep mode so these threads that I have active will still be active in the AM.
July 24th, 2007 at 10:58 pmWhat a pointless thread.
July 24th, 2007 at 11:04 pmWhat a pointless thread.
Comment by yep — July 24, 2007 @ 11:04 pm
It needs a punchline.
July 24th, 2007 at 11:09 pmFrank-
Why are you posting the ramblings of the deluded, oxycontin junkie, Jeff Chrisitie here? Hate to tell you, but no one gets paid $24MM/year to tell the truth.
July 24th, 2007 at 11:10 pmI think I get your humor now, can I be in the TP Good Old Boys Club?
Comment by r — July 24, 2007 @ 10:45 pm
There is one, but if there was -- No.
July 24th, 2007 at 11:13 pmMichele Bachman thinks the Green Zone is a shopping mall. Alberto Gonzales is the most obnoxious arrogant liar I've ever seen. Frances Townsend is the spokesperson for the Homeland Security Dept. and she doesn't know that Iraq was not involved in 9/11.
Heckuva job, Bushie. God help the USA.
July 24th, 2007 at 11:35 pmDamn it, CORRECTION.
There isn't one, but if there was — No.
July 24th, 2007 at 11:47 pmThe surge has basically been chasing the terrorist and criminal gangs around the suburbs of Baghdad, or even into northern or western Iraq. This has taken its toll. Time spent in flight cannot be spent planting IEDs or killing people. Putting all these guys on the road, also makes them more susceptible to capture. A lot of important terrorists have been captured this way. The chief liaison between al Qaeda headquarters and al Qaeda in Iraq was nabbed, as well as many mid-level terrorist cell leaders.
What most of the troops, and Iraqi civilians, notice is the lower level of violence. Since the surge offensive began four months ago, Iraqi (military and civilian) deaths have declined by more than 50 percent, and American casualties are down by over a third. U.S. troops are still taking the lead in moving into hostile areas, and being exposed to ambush and IEDs. But U.S. tactics and training have made enemy efforts much less lethal. This has helped demoralize an increasing number of terrorists. Many are tired of killing Iraqi civilians, and the increasing difficulty at getting at American troops. Look at this from the Iraqi perspective. In a very good month, Iraqis make a hundred or more attacks a day on American troops, and kill, on average, about four of them. While the terrorists make a big deal out of every American killed, they know that most of their attacks were not only failures, but got a lot of their buddies killed. On average, 10-20 terrorists die for every American killed. This has been going on for years, and an increasing number of Iraqi fighters are demoralized and quitting. Many either become informers, or surrender and speak freely. This is resulting in fresher intelligence, and raids that are catching terrorist cells preparing for operations, and in possession of weapons, bombs and incriminating documents.
Well, good.
July 24th, 2007 at 11:55 pmYou can keep posting all the plagerized stuff you want. I doesn't mean the surge is working. You dumb fu*ks have been wrong from the start and you will continue being wrong until you pul your head out of your a$$.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:05 amThe kind of analysis I would expect to facts from a moonbat.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:30 amFrank J -- What is the hell are you talking about? Your post #356 makes absolutely no sense. Maybe you listened to Bush's speech today in SC where he once again used our armed forces for his photo-op, as the basis for your very confusing comments. In case you don't know it, Bush's latest spin on his justification for endless War against Iraq is total bullshit.
Heckuva job, Bushie. God help the USA.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:30 amWTF?!
July 25th, 2007 at 1:57 amhey, spudgie. you friggin liar. go back to your video games.
July 25th, 2007 at 2:22 amHmm. I can't decide what to do this weekend.
Should I go down to the mall in Georgetown and do some shopping or should I head over to Baghdad to see if I am bullet and shrapnel proof?
July 25th, 2007 at 2:23 am....what to do....?
July 25th, 2007 at 2:24 amHere's another possible similarity?
July 25th, 2007 at 7:35 amIraq and the Mall of America are both now Jewish owned...
Anybody ever heard of Selim Zilkha, his family OWNED Iraq up until the Baaths threw them out. Then the Zilkhas went on to SCREW California in the so-called "Energy Crisis".
July 25th, 2007 at 7:39 amhttp://www.secinfo.com/d14D5a.29De.htm
And, yes, the Zilkhas are Jewish.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:40 amFrank J. ................You're the reason I have no faith in truth. PR! (perceptions rule)
July 25th, 2007 at 8:08 amMs. Bachman does certainly take the prize for dumb comments, but I won't take her to task for her comparison of the palace to Mall of America. MofA is probably her cultural landmark -- what she compares large-scale structures to.
What bothers me is her comment about Al Qaeda not showing any signs of letting up. How did she make that observation? Since she didn't leave the Green Zone, and she didn't actually talk to any Iraqis, she can only be making assumptions -- and those assumptions sound eerily like the talking points the GOP machine feeds to the dittoheads.
How does she know how much of the violence that kept her in the Green Zone protected by body armor is the doing of Al Qaeda? Was she able to peer beyond the fences and see the insignia on their uniforms? Did an Al Qaeda spokesman visit her at the palace and brief her? Or has she merely bought into the official GOP line that ALL violence in Iraq is Al Qaeda?
WHY do we spend taxpayer money to send brain-dead congresspersons to Iraq? Their "observations" are about as valuable to us as Bush's observation of the Katrina devastation from the window of Air Force One.
July 25th, 2007 at 8:11 amCan you say "ditzy"?
July 25th, 2007 at 8:17 amI remember the days when if you worked at Mall of America you had to be ready to leave at different exits because the gangs would occasionally block some of them.
July 25th, 2007 at 9:07 amFrank J...I do not know where you are getting your talking points but it is best to never speak and let others wonder if you are stupid rather than to speak and confirm their assumptions. What you say is not true and the facts from the CIA, NSA and the Pentagon bears that out. You really need to try to get your information from others besides O'Reilly, Limbaugh and Hannity....and of course Fox "Our Opinion of The News" station. You fail to mention that 1. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11...2. Osama is still on the run...3. Al Qaeda was not in Iraq before the Bush-GOP Iraq War. If you want to pontificate on any so-called successes then you must also point out the failures.
July 25th, 2007 at 9:09 amOh...One last tidbit of information for you trolls!....Good news! The hunt for WMD's is still continuing and any day now we expect to find that missing H-bomb we just know is out there! Boy with all that sand you just know its easy to hide an H-bomb! Tricky people those Iraqis!
July 25th, 2007 at 9:24 amShe is my Congresscritter and I deeply regret not making more of an effort to expose her as the lunatic she is.
July 25th, 2007 at 9:42 amGranted the woman may be a misguided lunatic, but why did you need to write a stupid out-of-context headline like the one on this story, which puts Think Progress on the same level as any wingnut/O'Reilly clone page.
I'm with Ringo. Sheesh.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:00 amMichelle Bachmann is an air-headed idiot and I'm amazed someone so shallow was ever elected to office. She's an embarrassment. The things she does and says are preposterous. She's nothing but a republican groupie. Shame on the people who elected her.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:54 amHer comment was in direct response to a question about Sadaam's palace. This article is trying to make a point but deceptive in attempting to suggest that she said Iraq, as a whole, is like the Mall of America. This article is deliberately taking her comments out of context. It would have been stronger without the context lifting. I am, however, empathetic with the outrage of her Bush support for the war. Why travel there at taxpayer expense if you can't ever leave the Green Zone?
July 25th, 2007 at 12:07 pmBachman was also caught on film spying on a gay rights rally from behind some bushes (the arboreal type) at the MN state capital.
She also ingeniously stated that there would be no unemployment if the minimum wage law was repealed. Cause, ah my gawd, then people could work for one dollar an hour, totally regardless of the poverty line.
Once again, my fellow Minnesotans, how the hell did she get elected?
July 25th, 2007 at 12:07 pmNow I don't like Bachmann much at all, but let's get this straight - she didn't say Iraq was like the Mall of America.
She said Saddam's Palace was similar in size to the Mall of America.
If she had said "Wow, Saddam's palace is the size of ten football fields!" then I wonder if you would have blogged "Hey this crazy Rep. thinks Iraq is nothing more than a friendly game of football!"
July 25th, 2007 at 3:12 pmYea I read the article and gathered the correct context. TP should have presented it more accurately than they did. At least they don't spin and repeat false info about topics like Plame's covert status.
The simple bit of info that Bachmann was comparing a tyrant's palace to the MOA would have been enough for me.
Maybe she'll go to New Orleans next and compare the empty streets to the solitude of the Boundary Waters Canoe Area.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:35 pmTHIS IS NO SURPRISE. MICHELLE BACHMANN IS AN EXTREMIST IDIOT, AS WE WHOHAIL FROM STILLWATER, MN. KNOW ONLY TOO WELL. IT IS MY FIRM BELIEF THAT IF BUSH , CHENEY, AND GONZALES WERE WALKING DOWN THE STREET TOGETHER SHOOTING CHILDREN AND OLD LADIES WITH FLAME THROWERS, BACHMANN WOULD FIND A WAY TO GLEEFULLY JUSTIFY THEIR ACTIONS. SHE'S A WALKING DISASTER, AND I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW RELIEVED WE ARE TO HAVE HER AWAY FROM HERE.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:01 pmThe sad part about being a Democrat is having to deal with Liberals. She was asked about the Palace. Not Iraq, it's people, it's business, etc. Since she's likely BEEN to the Mall of America, this Palace is likely the closest thing she can think of that compares in size and scope.
Yes I realize Bachman is quite the puppet and I certainly didn't or ever will vote for her for anything, but when people claim what an idiot she is in context to her comparison only show your complete ignorance.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:22 pmgod, every time i hear about her, i'm ashamed to be from minnesota.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:55 pmAmanda, this is really dishonest reporting. Even from your ideologically-skewed reporting of Bachmann's comments it's easy to see that she was giving a statement of quantity (scale), not quality (safety).
Even some of your supporters are rolling their eyes at this one.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:43 pmThe jews wantd us in Iraq and thats what they got. The KIKES are running this government!
July 25th, 2007 at 7:32 pmYup
July 25th, 2007 at 9:37 pmRE: comment 388 and 389: WOW! i had no idea Henry Ford had been reincarnated! racism and bigotry are alive and well here in the land that genocide made!
RE: the original posting: iraq is to the mall of the americas as Bachmann is to intelligent, thoughtful, perceptive HUMAN BEING.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:57 pm