Feingold says Gonzales is ‘misleading’ about spying.
Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI), a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, challenged Gonzales on his statements regarding the administration’s wiretapping activities. “I’ve had the opportunity to review the classified matters at issue here,” said Feingold. “And I believe that your testimony was misleading, at best. … It’s hard to see anything but a pattern of intentionally misleading Congress again and again.” Watch it:
Transcript:
SEN. RUSS FEINGOLD (D-WI): With respect to the NSA’s illegal wiretapping program, last year in hearings before this committee and the House Judiciary Committee, you stated that, quote, There has not been any serious disagreement about the program that the president has confirmed, unquote, that any disagreement that did occur, quote, did not deal with the program that I am here testifying about today, unquote and that, quote, The disagreement that existed does not relate to the program the president confirmed in December to the American people, unquote.Two months ago, you sent a letter to me and other members of this committee defending that testimony and asserting that it remains accurate. And I believe you said that again today.
Now, as you probably know, I’m a member of the Intelligence Committee. And therefore, I’m one of the members of this committee who has been briefed on the NSA wiretapping program and other sensitive intelligence programs.
I’ve had the opportunity to review the classified matters at issue here. And I believe that your testimony was misleading, at best.
I am prevented from elaborating in this setting, but I intend to send you a classified letter explaining why I have come to that conclusion.
Mr. Attorney General, the integrity of the congressional testimony of the highest law enforcement official in this country is an extremely important matter. I’d therefore ask that after reviewing that letter, you provide clarification in a classified setting.
But also please consider how you can address this issue publicly to dispel the doubts about your veracity that this episode has raised.
Will you agree to do that?
GONZALES: I certainly would endeavor to do that, Senator.
I guess I’m very surprised at your conclusion that I may have been misleading, if, in fact, you understood the briefings in the Intel Committees, quite frankly.
I find your statement surprising, so I look forward to your correspondence.
FEINGOLD: I look forward to your — the information in the classified setting and to your public attempts to set this straight. And I strongly disagree with your analysis of how somebody would come down as to whether you were misleading.
And, in fact, I’m appalled in addition by your efforts today to try to shift responsibility for the effort to strong-arm Attorney General Ashcroft.
First, given your history of misleading this committee, I don’t know why we should trust your account of the situation.
Secondly, unless you’re talking about a covert action, the limited gang of eight briefing itself was a violation of the National Security Act.
And, third, it was you, Mr. Attorney General, who visited the hospital to try to strong-arm a sick man who had temporarily relinquished his responsibility. You — you are responsible for those actions.
PROTESTER: You are shameful!
FEINGOLD: At your confirmation hearing in January, 2005, I asked you whether the president has the power to authorize warrantless wiretapping under the theories of the torture memo, and you called my question, quote, hypothetical, unquote, when you knew full well — full well — that this had been going on for years.
You could have spoken to me after the hearing and told me that there was something I should know that you couldn’t explain in open session, but you did not.
Then, during your campaign to reauthorize the Patriot Act, you told Congress that there were no abuses of that law that we needed to worry about, even though you had documents showing there had actually been problems with the Patriot Act and other surveillance authorities.
Then again last year you came to this committee and told us that there had not been any serious disagreement about the warrantless wiretapping program the president confirmed in late 2005, a statement I believe was misleading at best.
In every case you somehow managed to come up with some convoluted theory for why your statement was technically accurate. When you look at all these incidents together, it’s hard to see anything but a pattern of intentionally misleading Congress again and again.
Shouldn’t the attorney general of the United States meet a higher standard?
GONZALES: The attorney general of the United States should try to meet the highest standard. And I have tried to meet that standard, Senator.
FEINGOLD: Do you feel you’ve met that standard?
GONZALES: Obviously, there have been instances where I have not met that standard, and I’ve tried to correct that.
When those standards have not been met, I’ve tried to make amends and try to clarify to the committee and to the American people about statements that I’ve made.
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I guess decorum prevents Feingold from saying “lying through your teeth”…
July 24th, 2007 at 3:45 pmGonzales lies to Congress. Again.
July 24th, 2007 at 3:46 pmBusted !
July 24th, 2007 at 3:48 pmPROTESTER: You are shameful!
I got a kick out of that making it to the transcript. I would think they would filter that stuff out.
‘misleading’
July 24th, 2007 at 3:49 pmHey, wouldn’t you rather have a leader that misleads rather than doesn’t lead at all?
What a weasel.. There is no better description that comes to mind. A lying, little weasel.
July 24th, 2007 at 3:49 pmWhat a slimy, lying POS. A true representative for the whole administration. What a black mark on our country’s history. These traitorous bastards should be hung and let the buzzards pick the meat from the bones.
July 24th, 2007 at 3:50 pmAbu Gonzo is in SO FAR over his head. The look on his face is one that says, “This is NOT what I signed up for when I agreed to be a loyal Bushie.” Man oh man.
July 24th, 2007 at 3:51 pmEventually decorum has to be overridden by the desire to protect the Constitution at all costs.
I say go bare knuckles with these clowns beginning right now. They are not going to take you seriously otherwise.
Gonzo acting surprised?? Give me a break. Not even a decent acting job.
July 24th, 2007 at 3:52 pmAlberto, do you or do you not wear a hairnet to bed?
July 24th, 2007 at 3:53 pmHey, wouldn’t you rather have a leader that misleads rather than doesn’t lead at all?
Comment by squegeeboo — July 24, 2007 @ 3:49 pm
Umm NO!!!!
July 24th, 2007 at 3:53 pmHe’s just doing his job, as defined by GWB. He’s paid to follow orders, take this kind of abuse, ignore the questions, mislead the questioner and buy time for the Administration. And he’s doing it all on the up & up, it’s plain for everyone to see. The Dems condemn him for obvious lies & abuse of justice & the Reps applaud him because he’s abusing justice on their behalf. It’s disgusting. I can’t imagine how anyone can think this is a good thing. And if they do, I hope they think it’s equally good in the future when a Democrat runs the show. Enjoy it, you’ve set quite a precedent.
July 24th, 2007 at 3:54 pmToss these losers
I say go bare knuckles with these clowns beginning right now.
Bah, if you want to show them your serious, I’d recommend going old school, real old school.
Nothing says serious like a good ol’ fashion caning, and I believe this way you could site senate precedent.
July 24th, 2007 at 3:54 pmAt what point do you motion to the Sgt At Arms to cuff Gonzo on the spot for lying to Congress, and read him his Miranda on TV?
July 24th, 2007 at 3:54 pmPROTESTER: You are shameful!
This was not a protester. This was Al’s mom.
July 24th, 2007 at 3:55 pmKrazny
Umm NO!!!!
You win this round…
July 24th, 2007 at 3:55 pmEven Gonzales can’t believe he hasn’t been impeached or indicted at this point. In fact, I think he’s starting to get worried that the charges won’t be filed until Bush is already in Paraguay.
July 24th, 2007 at 3:55 pmThe look on his face is one that says, “This is NOT what I signed up for when I agreed to be a loyal Bushie.â€
It’s not half as precious as the look he’s going to have on his face after Bush administration throws him under a bus to cover it’s ass.
A perfect shill always makes a perfect patsy.
July 24th, 2007 at 3:55 pmHe doesn’t even have the strength of character to feel embarassment or shame for his obvious lies and deceptions. He doesn’t have the character to put his own self-serving and lack of integrity aside and resign for the good of the country and his office, and I can say that because he has the trust and confidence of NO-ONE (except for the President - and not many have trust and confidence in him either).
Even Nixon had enough character to step down when he knew what he had done was hurting the country and the office that he was holding…
These character traits seem to be seriously lacking in an awful lot of people in this administration. Do you suppose that is a requirement to be able to do what they are doing in secret?
July 24th, 2007 at 3:57 pmI’m so glad I donated to Russ Feingold’s campaign. It was the best money I’ve ever spent. Russ is a true patriot, and continues to prove it time and time again.
July 24th, 2007 at 4:00 pmEnough!
From Feingold: “a pattern of misleading the Congress again and again”.
Mr. Feingold: When are you going to do something about this? You all just keep talking and talking and talking and doing NOTHING to silence and dismiss this scoundrel once and for all. Him and all the others.
I’m getting damned sick and tired of talk, talk, talk, and no consequences for these criminals. They are not doing their jobs: FIRE THEM.
July 24th, 2007 at 4:01 pmBombs Away, Iran.
July 24th, 2007 at 4:01 pmOOOoooOOOoooOOoooOOOooOOOooOOOooOOOOoOoOOoo…
Feingold… Now he’s really skerrrrrrrr’d!
GONZALES: The attorney general of the United States should try to meet the highest standard. And I have tried to meet that standard, Senator.
You sure have, keep up the great work!
July 24th, 2007 at 4:04 pmI’ve tried to make amends and try to clarify to the committee and to the American people about statements that I’ve made.
A resignation would do nicely, thank you.
July 24th, 2007 at 4:05 pmThese bastards are so institutionally corrupt its almost folly to point out their lies. They have a “boss” living at 1600 Penn Avenue NW who wont defend the Constitution so whats the point of showing where they have broken the law? Nothing will happen anyway. Gitmo Al could care less if he is eviscerated in Senate hearings because Bush wont fire him and he knows that Bush will pardon him if he’s brought up on any charges, so whats the freaking point?
July 24th, 2007 at 4:08 pmThing is if Gonzo breaks it will bring down the rest of them, but since all he has to do is hold out for 18 months, then they will be off to Dubai to work for haliburton.
July 24th, 2007 at 4:09 pmWith apologies to Lewis Black,
the dems may have no ideas, but the reps have bad ideas, now who do you think should be running things?
July 24th, 2007 at 4:11 pmGonzo/Bonzo: “I have tried to tell the truth, I have tried to be honest. I didn’t want to mis-lead you.” Or my all time favorite from Monica Goodling: “I don’t believe I intended to commit a crime.”
What are these people saying? Are they saying they are incapable of telling the truth? Obviously. Perp walk all of them. These people make drug dealers and hired assassins look like Mother Theresa.
July 24th, 2007 at 4:11 pmI guess we’ll have to be embarassed for the right-wingers for this kind of stuff. I notice they don’t even bother trying to defend this, they just call us names and basically try to spam the comment sections.
This is pathetic.
July 24th, 2007 at 4:13 pmGee, I wish I could be a defendant in a trial and just say: “Ooops, I must have been mistaken, let me ammend what I said before.”
For those of us who follow the RULE OF LAW (gee, wasn’t that what the Rethuglicans kept HARPING and HARPING and HARPING on and on about when they were impeaching and trying Clinton for having consentual sex and lying about it? That they were upholding the RULE OF LAW, THE RULE OF LAW, the RULE OF LAW), that’s called PERJURY and it gets you in some kind of legal trouble.
Of course, since Scooter has been left off the hook, there’s now a new rule. Rethuglicans can lie (remember, the oath is “the truth, the WHOLE truth, and NOTHING BUT the truth”), but everybody else still gets in trouble for perjury.
July 24th, 2007 at 4:15 pm“Even Nixon had enough character to step down when he knew what he had done was hurting the country and the office that he was holding…”
Comment by JG — July 24, 2007 @ 3:57 pm
Nixon stepped down because he had no choice. Once they ran out of ways to keep the “smoking gun” tape under wraps and it finally surfaced, his own party couldn’t flee from him fast enough. Even his most ardent supporters on the House Judiciary Committee, like Charles Sandman, said they would vote for impeachment once the articles hit the House floor, and there were more than enough votes in the Senate to convict.
So what’s different today? I think Bush and Cheney own more political real estate than even Nixon did. They control the SCOTUS (thanks to their foresighted placement of Roberts and Alito). They control more media than Nixon did (Fox Noise). They still have legal maneuvering available to them (but not much) to keep from having to turn over incriminating documents, or to have staff members testify.
The Republicans don’t have a John Dean — someone who was thrown under the bus and had nothing to lose by talking. The Democrats don’t have a Sam Ervin or a Barbara Jordan — people who were more concerned with doing what was right than their re-elections.
And most important — the Repubs no longer have a Barry Goldwater. A principled man who abhorred what was happening to his Republican party. If such a Republican existed and was willing to stand up to these thugs who hijacked the party, things might be different.
July 24th, 2007 at 4:16 pmAnother “deer caught in the headlights” moment for der Gonzo!
It couldn’t happen to a more deserving NeoCon clown!
July 24th, 2007 at 4:24 pmWhat an embarassment! Even the Republicans don’t find the Attorney General credible! What does that say about the state of America under George Bush when the nation’s highest law enforcement officer is considered an incompetent liar?
Nixon was practically a SAINT compared to these criminals!
July 24th, 2007 at 4:27 pmI can’t believe nobody is supportive of my caning idea, I even cited precedent for it…and it would make for great TV.
July 24th, 2007 at 4:27 pmSeedy Gonzales on Torture
http://www.noble-gas.com/ilovetorture.mp3
July 24th, 2007 at 4:29 pmhttp://www.dailykos.com/ storyonly/ 2007/ 7/ 24/ 142637/ 234
Arlen Specter, interviewing Gonzo:
S: Not making progress. Moving on. Do you think constitution govt can survive if Pres has unilateral authority to reject congress inquiries for Exec Privilege and prevent prosecution of claim?
G: Ongoing matter, I am recused, I cannot answer.
S: I am asking about constitutional law.
G: You are talking about an on-going issue.
S: No. Answer.
G: I won’t answer - it is ongoing controversy and I am recused.
Leahy: Calls for decorum (room is protesting).
S: Won’t pursue. This is hopeless. You are not just AG, you are a lawyer. This is a fundamental issues separate from USA resignations. Other subject. Do you have a conflict regarding the firing of US AGs?
G: Yes.
S: Do you have a conflict of interest about Miers?
G: Yes. I won’t answer.
S: Let’s find one you will answer. How about death penalty case? Charlton contacted your office and said case was not appropriate for dp. Testimony that AG spent 5-10 minutes on the issue…is this accurate?
G: I have no specific recollection of this case. But we have a detailed process for capital case review.
S: I am not interested in that. I want an answer to my question. You don’t remember a case regarding a man’s execution?
G: I have no recollection of the conversation.
S: Do you disagree with the testimony?
G: I can’t agree or disagree.
July 24th, 2007 at 4:30 pmI can’t believe nobody is supportive of my caning idea, I even cited precedent for it…and it would make for great TV.
Comment by squegeeboo — July 24, 2007 @ 4:27 pm
You got two choices if you are looking for support for caning, head to singapore, or find a dominatrix, your choice.
July 24th, 2007 at 4:30 pmI can’t believe nobody is supportive of my caning idea, I even cited precedent for it…and it would make for great TV.
Comment by squegeeboo — July 24, 2007 @ 4:27 pm
I enjoyed the link, squege.
July 24th, 2007 at 4:32 pmWhen he admitted that he had NOT MET the high standards of LEGALITY AND ETHICS that should be expected of the top law enforcement officer in this country, shouldn’t the next question have related to what the appropriate remedy/punishment ought to be for the actions which he confessed to having committed?
HE ADMITTED IT!
ON THE RECORD!
WHAT’S THE PUNISHMENT?
July 24th, 2007 at 4:34 pmGONZALES: The attorney general of the United States should try to meet the highest standard. And I have tried to meet that standard, Senator.
GONZALES: Obviously, there have been instances where I have not met that standard, and I’ve tried to correct that.
Do or do not. There is no try.
July 24th, 2007 at 4:34 pm–Yoda
If Gonzo ever showed any tendency towards telling the truth, W would have his butt in a cell at Gitmo and all of his earthly assets would be seized by executive order. Knowing this, it is easy to see why he is so reluctant to do so.
July 24th, 2007 at 4:37 pm“Even Nixon had enough character to step down when he knew what he had done was hurting the country and the office that he was holding…â€
By saying that I did not wish to imply I had ANY respect or admiration for Nixon. What he did was absolutely shameful and it was a black spot in the history of this country. He was a president as corrupted by power as this current president (and vice president). I know he was forced out by his actions after being exposed. But, he could have behaved like Bush; in the face of so many things coming to light and piling up, he could have thumbed his nose at the country and let them just try and come after him. He could have kept ramping up the crimes, just like Bush has been doing. Bush really doesn’t care what he is doing to our country or our government or Constitution. He REALLY doesn’t care what he breaks! Bush is much WORSE!
July 24th, 2007 at 4:38 pmF I S A
W O R K S
B U S H
V I O L A T E D
T H E
L A W
N E E D L E S S L Y
O’Reilly Reveals Truth About FISA Courts in interview with Chertoff
Homeland Security Sec’y Michael Chertoff on Foiled Terror Plot
Friday, August 11, 2006
FOX NEWS INTERVIEW
EXCERPT:
O’REILLY: OK. Last question for you. The fact that the NSA was able to intercept some of these phone calls that were made in the United States to Al Qaeda in Britain by using the very controversial — although I understand warrants were obtained for this by the FISA court. In your opinion, does that mean that the Bush administration is justified now in its original policy? Is this a big win politically for you guys?
CHERTOFF: Well, Bill, of course I’m not going to confirm particular techniques were used, but I do think this.
O’REILLY: You won’t deny, though.
CHERTOFF: Obviously I’m not going to discuss classified techniques.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,207930,00.html
Contrary to O’Reilly’s SPIN, this revelation actually destroys the Administration’s original claims relative to the FISA courts being too slow and cumbersome.
Did the Administration CLASSIFY the fact that they used FISA?
Did O’Reilly reveal classified information?
Chertoff implied as much.
July 24th, 2007 at 4:39 pmthe dems may have no ideas, but the reps have bad ideas, now who do you think should be running things?
Comment by Krazny — July 24, 2007 @ 4:11 pm
This is the kind of talking point that is getting really old. I understand you are frustrated and wish more would be done, but propagating the idea that the democrats have no ideas does not help us get anywhere.
The fact is that “Redeployment” plans very similar to the ones currently being discussed and agreed upon by many republicans, were suggested as early as 2004 and possibly earlier. Even now, the Reid-Levin amendment to the spending bill isn’t as nice as the earlier one proposed by Feingold, but it is a compromise to get it passed and start limiting the President’s unchecked authority to send troops.
It isn’t Senator Reid that isn’t putting the bill on floor - it is the Republicans in congress who are filibustering. Many of these same Republicans are spewing anti-war rhetoric while voting against cloture on this amendment as well as the Webb amendment, WHICH NO PATRIOT SHOULD BE AGAINST. If they had a super majority in the senate, then I would agree with you; however, that is not the case. They are proposing bill after bill and getting stonewalled by filibusters and vetos.
I do agree with you; however, that we should be pursuing IMPEACHMENT. I wish the senate felt the same. I think they are wasting just more time trying to get valuable legislation past these criminals in our government than they would if they impeached and got them out of the way. Keep in mind, I think that the vote to Impeach may also be subject to a filibuster (not sure on that), in which case they wouldn’t be able to do that either.
If “We the People” who are disenfranchised with this administration don’t start backing the ONLY people that are in the race to stop this country from turning into a dictatorship, then it is all of our faults. Once we remove these roadblocks, we can start adding legislation to fix our democracy. For example, we could use run-off voting (if your first choice is removed your second gets your votes). That removes ALL threats from third party candidates and makes them viable to vote for. We can also publicaly fund elections so that companies and corporate interests are REMOVED completely from thwarting the will of the people.
All these suggestions have been put forward by Democrats and other progressives; however, they can never be implemented unless we can get the roadblocks out of our way. We that support these solutions (or others to the same ends) are only hurting ourselves when we propagate the propaganda that the Democrats “have no ideas”.
July 24th, 2007 at 4:41 pmMarcus Tullius Cicero, quotes about Secrecy:
A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear.
“Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one’s self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all.â€
Michael Rivera
July 24th, 2007 at 4:41 pmFor the love of Pete…
Ace, you’ve just doubled the length of the thread in 6 posts. Can’t you just link to this stuff?
July 24th, 2007 at 4:42 pm#
For the love of Pete…
Ace, you’ve just doubled the length of the thread in 6 posts. Can’t you just link to this stuff?
Comment by squegeeboo — July 24, 2007 @ 4:42 pm
I’m not sure who Pete is, but I’m sure you and he will be very happy together.
In response to your question…
no.
July 24th, 2007 at 4:44 pmGonzales is a lying psychopath.
July 24th, 2007 at 4:45 pmno.
Comment by ace — July 24, 2007 @ 4:44 pm
“Impossible to link. Can’t help myself.”
July 24th, 2007 at 4:45 pmGo, Feingold! Nail that lying POS!!!
July 24th, 2007 at 4:45 pmGonzales is misleading. Yes, and having long, slim steel needles scraped along your bones is uncomfortable! Good Lord, what does he have to do before Congress finally gets off their collective ass and Does Something! Viewing With Alarm is interesting. Carefully Considering the Issue is amusing. The proverbial roof is on fire and they don’t need no water! The Constituion is under siege and Congress is Viewing With Alarm! This Administration wants the Constitution used for toilet paper and Congress is Considering the Issue! Time to fish or cut bait!
July 24th, 2007 at 4:47 pmImpeach Bush, Cheney And Gonzales and SAVE THE CONSTITUTION!
ace
I’m not sure who Pete is, but I’m sure you and he will be very happy together.
It was my grandmothers catch phrase when she was irritated, I believe it was her Patron Saint, rather than saying ‘for gods sake’ or ‘for the love of god’ due to her being somewhat religious and not wanting to take the G-Man’s name in vain.
In response to your question…
no.
Yah, I figured as much.
Keith Richard Radford Jr
Sweet formating work.
July 24th, 2007 at 4:49 pmDM, good grief (transcript). What an obstructionist!
July 24th, 2007 at 4:49 pmAce: “Can’t . . . stop . . . pasting . . . large . . . blocks . . . of . . . text . . . . Must . . . not . . . give . . . in . . . to . . . use . . . of . . . links! . . . Aiiigh!”
(With all due respect to Captain Kirk.)
July 24th, 2007 at 4:50 pmRepublicans Can’t Govern.
Kaaahhhhhnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
/obligatory
July 24th, 2007 at 4:53 pm1. I want to know WHAT the domestic spying programs are about that we DON’T know about. Thom Hartmann things morning questioned a number of possiblities that I had not considered, such as suggesting the scene in the intensive care with Ashcroft took place a matter of months before the 2004 elections. Did the ‘top secret domestic spying program’ that we DON’T know about yet have to do with spying on the Democratic candidates? Elections in general (fixing)? Voter caging?
2. I want to know what Gonzales was promised as his reward for acting like an incompetent idiot. What is his reward for sitting there and lying, deflecting, misleading, and all the other crap he is doing. He is making a mockery of our entire justice system and basically neutering it. Yet, he sits there with a smile on his face while most members of Congress, along with most of America, are calling for his head. Still, he sits there smiling saying he is the solution, he wants to fix the problems he is responsible for. What is his reward? Must be good..
July 24th, 2007 at 4:56 pmI bet if we took gonzo to mike vick’s backyard to play with the puppy dogs for the afternoon, his memory would improve real quick-like
July 24th, 2007 at 4:56 pmSweet formating work.
Comment by squegeeboo
That was hilarious!!!
July 24th, 2007 at 4:56 pmJuan C
That was hilarious!!!
Thanks, I suppose thats one of my ‘redeeming qualities’ that Kay mentioned in the TF, plus I’m feeling even less actual debate useful, but more snarky than usual today.
JG
July 24th, 2007 at 5:00 pmI want to know what Gonzales was promised as his reward for acting like an incompetent idiot.
Think of a large pile of money. Then square it. I would assume something along those lines.
I want to know what Gonzales was promised as his reward for acting like an incompetent idiot.
acting?
July 24th, 2007 at 5:03 pmAndrew Cohen at washingtonpost.com:
July 24th, 2007 at 5:05 pmI thought it was cute how Gonzo was doodling on his little pad of paper while Feingold was ripping his ass — as if he was actually taking notes. Right…..
July 24th, 2007 at 5:05 pmacting?
Comment by Juan C — July 24, 2007 @ 5:03 pm
I said that because I can’t imagine someone in his position being THAT stupid or incompetent. I believe it is a great copout and diversion to appear incompetent. I have said this many times. Being stupid or incompetent or forgetful is not a criminal offense. Breaking laws IS a crime. Committing crimes and having a cover of incompetence is a way to cover your tracks. Smoke..
July 24th, 2007 at 5:19 pmI will add this. I think all these guys know EXACTLY what they are doing.
July 24th, 2007 at 5:20 pmFEINGOLD BIOGRAPHY:
Hits the stands this week. A great read.
http://www.amazon.com/ Feingold-Democratic-Sanford-D-Horwitt/ dp/ 141653492X/ ref=pd_bbs_1/ 104-1331445-4107901?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1185313017&sr=8-1
July 24th, 2007 at 5:37 pmIt just came to me - why didn’t Pelosi and a troop of demos march into the room during Shrub’s recent proceedure and start discussing foreign policy ????????
July 24th, 2007 at 5:55 pmBlah blah blah… Nothing is going to happen to that jumping bean.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:09 pmHe’s Bush’s protector of all things evil and Bush will ensure that he stays there. Notify me when the headline reads: “Bush, Cheney and Gonzales will be executed today for treason and crimes against this country, its people and the world”.
As much as I despise what the president I somewhat regretfully voted for, and also his henchmen have been doing to utterly deceive us and ruin the plain meaning of our Bill of Rights, I still try NOT to exult at the pain of Al Gonzales. I think that those of us who still respect decency and privacy and liberty ought to celebrate the exposing of the trash Bush calls policy without becoming just like the neocon mindset of demonizing, and dehumanizing just like they’ve done with everyone they target. If we dehumanize Gonzales–i.e. take fiendish joy in HIS pain, however deserved–then are we not partaking of the same spirit? We need to pity the madness that came over this administration, like an evil spell, that makes them think this stuff is GOOD! We pity people who lose their minds, and that is what, in one sense, has happened to the neocons.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:09 pmWe pity people who lose their minds, and that is what, in one sense, has happened to the neocons.
Comment by berlineagle — July 24, 2007 @ 6:09 pm
You make an interesting point.
However, the NeoCons are like serial killers - I find it hard to know what to do with them. Do you throw them in prison or in a mental hospital? Hard call.
July 24th, 2007 at 6:33 pmPoliteness and consideration need to be out the door when it comes to things like this. The man lied/lies and deserves to be ridiculed for it. Being “nice” is not going to resolve the assf’n that you and I are getting from this administration…
July 24th, 2007 at 6:34 pmSenator Leahy and/or Spector needed to ask Gonzales THIS in a LOUD, AGGRESIVE and CLEAR voice:
“Mr. Attorney General, you answer that question. This is the United States of America. Transparency is the rule here. We don’t have secret government. That’s what Alexander Solzhenitsyn wrote about in the Gulag. That’s not the United States of America. We pay your salary. We have a right to know ’cause it’s our duty to decide whether what you’re doing is legal and wise, not yours. Answer that question or you’re held in contempt right now.”
WHY can’t they do that?
This quote was from Bruce Fein taken from his discussion with Bill Moyer on PBS on July 13, 2007:
July 24th, 2007 at 6:43 pmhttp://www.pbs.org/ moyers/ journal/ 07132007/ transcript2.html
Gonzales misleading?
Gee ya THINK?
July 24th, 2007 at 7:52 pmWhy didn’t they just have the Sargent at Arms arrest him?
July 24th, 2007 at 8:36 pm“The Sergeant at Arms is authorized to arrest and detain any person violating Senate rules, including the President of the United States.”
Isn’t perjury a violation of Senate rules?
You know, the Dems are working to get BUSH to CHANGE COURSE. So, why don’t they realize that nothing they are doing - or simply the way they are doing it - isn’t working. It is time for the DEMS to CHANGE COURSE and try something else!!
Yes, like being more aggressive, confrontational. Push these criminals. DEMAND answers and DEMAND they comply with subpoenas, and YES, use your authority when they lie, obstruct, or ignore subpoenas and ARREST THEM and FORCE THEM to comply!! Nothing else has worked and frnakly right now they think Congress is out of tricks and won’t try anything else. They are PROVING that Congress has no pwer WHEN THEY REALLY DO but just aren’t using it!!
Come on guys… LET THE CONSTITUTION WORK!! Show the American people there are protections written into the Constitution there for our protection!! Don’t allow these guys to make Congress and DOJ irrelevent. P-L-E-A-S-E!!
July 24th, 2007 at 8:42 pmGonzo is lying through his teeth. He is perjuring himself over and over.
Gonzo is truly a pathetic little slimebag whose lips are firmly glued to Bush’s a*hole.
July 24th, 2007 at 11:08 pmDiscrimination allows superiority where truth is hidden and corruption tends to creep in.
This is the human equation.
People change day to day. Things change, steal rusts while conceited blows away, but the energy that makes us who we are moves through us as we experience our lives.
Governments, Advocates, Churches, and Media put pressure on sex offenders who are struggling daily to make a way for their families.
These groups are one in the same who have created the realm of secrecy and oppress for gain.
To be ashamed of being a flawed human who makes mistakes, is the responsibility of the person/group/s allowing laws of decimation which is abuse.
Inflicting pain on any person who has been betrayed by that societies recklessness to hide the truth because of its own shame is the ultimate in irresponsibility.
By continuing to advocate lifetime sentences, separation, eradication, concerning sexual offenses is recognition of the breakdown of group/s and any system/s which supports this human rights abuse .
There can be no justice where the responsible party is the society which refuses acceptance of its error.
Thinking that labeling anyone concerning life and death decisions with regard to sexual offenses has no validity.
The stigma/demonization/and continuance of the myth is perpetrated by the group/s and any system/s that makes people suffer for a belief that has only for centuries hidden its own truth.
Please take time to write those who can change our laws.
What ever we do we do to ourselves as money and power leads us by the ring in our nose rendering us unable to hear or see beyond the sound of our own greed.
Mr. & Mrs. Keith Richard Radford Jr.
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August 4th, 2007 at 7:57 am