Bush’s ‘personal diplomacy’ with Maliki.
By on Jul 25th, 2007 at 9:36 am
Bush’s ‘personal diplomacy’ with Maliki.
According to an official who sits in on the meetings, President Bush and Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki often “talk about their faith in God” when they speak once every two weeks. The official said, “It is an issue that comes up between two men who are believers in difficult times, who are being challenged.”
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Aww…That’s so sweet. They sit around and talk about religion while Rome is burning. Their faith is not going to solve the insurmountable problems they have in Iraq. How about they spend their time talking about solutions to the problem like most leaders would do.
July 25th, 2007 at 9:40 amJeebus and Mohammed sittin’ in a tree!
July 25th, 2007 at 9:42 amWhy is it necessary for us to hear that they talk about their faith to each other? This ploy has been used to many times on America. GWB may claim to be christian but his actions are not that of a christian.
July 25th, 2007 at 9:43 amIs that supposed to reassure me? I don’t think so!
July 25th, 2007 at 9:46 amhttp://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/07/25/gonzales-actionable-mendacity/#comments
Off topic but a good recap of what happens next to Gonzocchio.
July 25th, 2007 at 9:51 amThe Chimp has no faith. The voices he hears and presumes they are god’s is simply what is called ‘auditory hallucinations’ and very much a part of bipolar disorder with psychosis – that’s what the Chimp is referring to.
What a fraud. How can anyone be duped by such obvious psychiatric illness?
July 25th, 2007 at 9:52 amWhat is more interesting (and disturbing) is deeper in the complete article about how Dubya has this “Leader envy” thing going. Where he thinks he truly is one of the chosen ones!
Now that should be REALLY scary to all the world!
July 25th, 2007 at 9:52 amBesides, other than highlighting once again the fraudulent ramblings of a psycho in chief, I really don’t believe that this thread has any relevancy. The people no longer care about anything this Chimp says.
July 25th, 2007 at 9:53 amUpside00: Great minds think alike! hahaha! Yes, indeed, serious and pathological egocentricity is part of the disease as well.
Competition with other leaders would be part/parcel of the symptoms involved.
July 25th, 2007 at 9:54 amIf this is the best TP can do this morning, I’m off to other threads with more relevant information….catcha later!
July 25th, 2007 at 9:55 amBush is not a man of god. He’s a man of delusion, hubris and elitism.
July 25th, 2007 at 9:56 amI’d love to be there when he meets his maker. The Chimp is definitely going to be on the bottom floor.
I doubt these meetings take place any more than Bush’s alleged meetings with leading intellectuals. Members of his staff are charged with inventing a Bush that doesn’t actually exist: a Bush that is smart, engaged, flexible, inquisitive, and spiritual.
July 25th, 2007 at 9:58 amWhy do the truly devout Christians have such a difficult time understanding that Chimpy is about as “christian” as Aleister Crowley?
I’ve discussed this at length with Fundamentalist Christians, and they become almost violent in their efforts to keep the wool firmly pulled over their eyes.
It’s sad, because these are good people who have a strong faith, and try to follow the teachings of that faith, but they let themselves be led around like sheep by this psychopath.
What would Jesus do? I think Jesus would have beat him like a money-changer in the temple.
July 25th, 2007 at 9:58 amI wonder how much longer Bush will continue to milk his religious beliefs for political gain? Wait. He’s out of office in 545 days. I’ll bet thats how long he does it.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:00 amVerbalkint: Bush is an empty vessel. His handlers can attempt to create something which doesn’t exist but it’s failing miserably each time we see him in public or speaking extemporaneously. He’s a buffoon and we know it. However, these fictitious meetings in his mind with leaders and intellectuals bespeaks a very serious psychiatric illness which is being overlooked by many. Do the research into the symptoms and manifestations of “Bipolar Disorder with Psychosis – namely: Auditory hallucinations” and he’s textbook.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:03 amTripmaster: (I am really leaving now….haha!) Yes, these Christians are good people who really “want” to believe. That’s the problem – they are malleable and trustworthy…the classic “prey” for a sadistic sociopaths like those running things. Because their belief system has to do with “blind faith”, they extend this courtesy to their entire world and in the case of this administration, this is precisely where they are “ripe for the picking”.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:06 amP.S. And I think that Jesus would have found it necessary to “cast out his demons”. :)
July 25th, 2007 at 10:07 amveritas- Watched “John Buchanan From Martial Law 9-11- Alex Jones”
July 25th, 2007 at 10:07 amThanks! Man this is scary stuff isn’t it.
Interesting remark about where Bush got his ideas about christianity; from Skull and Bones. Makes sense.
People need to use their brains. This country has little time to waste. Naziism is alive and well and America is being threatned from within, not from outside like they would like us to believe.
LOL I had no idea that Bush speaks Arabic, because Maliki does not know a word of English. Dubya has no idea that the guy could be calling Bush a dog to his face.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:09 amJay- it was the language of money. And I think he called Bush a dog face.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:14 amleftcoast hit the nail on on the head in post #3.
I can’t believe so many Christians are still willing to believe that Bush’s words rather than his actions define him.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:14 amleftcoast > Bush tends to hire idiots, so his interpretor could be not translating Maliki’s words properly for Bush. I highly doubt that Maliki likes his chats with Dubya. The Iraqi is a stooge and treated like one.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:19 amWould the religious people on this thread please stop denying Bush’s Christianity. We atheists are not responsible for your morons.
Thankyou.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:20 amUh oh, Bush talked about God again. Time for the libs to enter Full Hysteria Mode, shrieking and wailing about the Bible-thumpers turning America into a Taliban state.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:21 amWeller wtcpt
Well, if you are comfortable following a man who “hears voices…”
July 25th, 2007 at 10:22 amUh, the Iraqi Accordance Front, which has six Cabinet members as well as 44 of parliament’s 275 seats, …”announces the suspension of its membership in the government,â€
July 25th, 2007 at 10:22 amHeckuva job Mal!
Weller lol > we all know you are a crazy Taliban GOPer so shut-up!
July 25th, 2007 at 10:24 amWell, if you are comfortable following a man who “hears voices…â€
Where did I say I followed Bush, you must have a reading comprehension problem. I just get a laugh when libs get all twanged-up when someone mentions God.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:27 amWhy do the truly devout Christians have such a difficult time understanding that Chimpy is about as “christian†as Aleister Crowley?
I’ve discussed this at length with Fundamentalist Christians, and they become almost violent in their efforts to keep the wool firmly pulled over their eyes.
It’s sad, because these are good people who have a strong faith, and try to follow the teachings of that faith, but they let themselves be led around like sheep by this psychopath.
What would Jesus do? I think Jesus would have beat him like a money-changer in the temple.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
What proof do you have that he isn’t a Christian?
July 25th, 2007 at 10:32 amI am so sick of this “faith” talk from Bush. Many, MOST, almost ALL successful people can function and not have to dwell on religion. What happened to separation of church and State. The president of the United States does not have the authority under the Constitution to be invoking religion while doing his job. Perhaps he could put that time into learning what his job is.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:34 amOh this is rich! Two world class losers commiserating about imaginary sky-people. Bush is detached from reality. If he had any sense of duty – honor – country, which he doesn’t, he would resign and go drink himself to desth in Crawford. It’s time to end this cristo-fascist crusade against islam and bring our troops home where they belong.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:36 amI am so sick of this “faith†talk from Bush. Many, MOST, almost ALL successful people can function and not have to dwell on religion. What happened to separation of church and State. The president of the United States does not have the authority under the Constitution to be invoking religion while doing his job. Perhaps he could put that time into learning what his job is.
Comment by Gus Smith
What’s truly sickening is how athiests have succeeded in brain washing lemmings like you into believing that a president cannot mention God. Take a look at history dolt, you’ll find that many of our presidents have metioned God and have prayed while in office. Even our founding fathers’ writings are littered with references to God and the Bible. Apparently you have no idea what separation of church and state actually means—go educate yourself.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:45 am20wordstoomany,
Oh yes, Bush is a Christian make no doubt about that. Predisposed to believing alternate realities with no basis in fact. Blind faith and stubbornly holding on to what he”knows” is right. Revels in persecution, the more people show him the errors of his thinking, the more “resolute” (what a stupid term for stubbornness) he becomes.
Chimpf*ck thinks he is doing Jesus’ will in his reenactment of the Crusades.
Bush’s War has a very strong association with Christianity and the only fools still defending the evil bastard are the die-hard Christians. Not all Christians support this demon, but all his supporters are Christian.
Christians are killing our soldiers. Your Jesus has more than his own blood on his hands, he has the blood of our soldiers and inocent Iraqis.
And so do you Bushbots.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:46 amWeller wtcpt,
“I just get a laugh when libs get all twanged-up when someone mentions God.”
I’m sure you’d get all twanged up if some Democrat Senator mentioned Zeus in defense of a particular policy right?
Myth is myth. Nothing wrong with pointing that out.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:47 am20wordsorless sez:
Matthew 7:15-20
Also, his patronage of the Bohemian Grove is a strong argument against his alleged piety.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:47 amIf America stays another year in Iraq
40,000 Iraqis will be dead
100,000 Iraqis will need wheel chairs
GET OUT CAN YOU NOT SEE WHAT BUSH IS DOING ( for Oil and in Your name the rest of the world does)
July 25th, 2007 at 10:47 amThe president of the United States does not have the authority under the Constitution to be invoking religion while doing his job. ——- Neither is he expressly forbidden from doing so. The Constitution only says that Congress can not pass a law prohibiting any religion or respecting the free exercise thereof. Nothing there about separation of church & state.
Look, I’m not making excuses for the guy, he’s a dolt. But your comment was suggesting that by invoking religion, he was overstepping his authority. He’s allowed to be human (even if you don’t like the type of human he is), he’s not an automaton.
Comment by Gus Smith
July 25th, 2007 at 10:52 amComment by 20wordsorless – how intolerant. SGT Higgins – How many Fortune 500 company presidents dwell on religion? They get their job done and leave the religious chitchat for church, etc or their family. Leave the taxpayer dollar out of it.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:59 amI just get a laugh when libs get all twanged-up when someone mentions God.
Comment by Weller wtcpt
Yeah, it’s a hoot. A man w/ his finger on the button, following the “voices in his head.” Snicker, snicker… guffaw!
July 25th, 2007 at 11:04 amApparently you have no idea what separation of church and state actually means—go educate yourself.
Comment by 20wordsorless
Almost all American Presidents profess to a belief in God. Bush, to my recollection, is the ONLY one who has ever claimed “God talks me”. Must be quite the lon-distance charge on that one. That’s not about separation of church and state, that’s crazy and scary.
When you are hearing voices in your head, it’s not God and it’s not a credible excuse for starting a war.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:09 amMust be quite the lon(g)-distance charge on that one.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Nah, It’s always a collect call. God’s cool like that.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:11 amAnother thread sure to get the loons worked up. ;)
July 25th, 2007 at 11:14 am“What proof do you have that he isn’t a Christian?”
His actions. He’s an example of the type of person Jesus was talking about when he said, “These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.” Matt. 15:8
I guess we shouldn’t say he’s not a Christian because no one knows his heart but we can say, based on his actions (war mongering, not caring for the poor, not seeking justice, etc), that he’s definitely a BAD Christian.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:15 amupright left
We don’t hear voices.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:15 amComment by Gus Smith
SGT Higgins – How many Fortune 500 company presidents dwell on religion? —- I haven’t done a survey, if you’re asking for numbers. But they’re more interested in profits for shareholders than international relations.
They get their job done and leave the religious chitchat for church, —- By choice, not mandate.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:16 amLeave the taxpayer dollar out of it. — what? Are you being taxed every time the POTUS says or thinks something? If so, what’s the cost/word ratio? Just because you’re tax dollars pay his salary, doesn’t mean you get to dictate what he says. Sorry, that’s just the way it is.
Most Presidents invoke the name of God at some point, but Bush is convinced that he was chosen by God to be President and because Bush is serving as God’s chosen instrument in the battle against Evil, anything Bush does, ANYTHING, is Good. Anyone who argues against Bush, or criticizes him is therefore Evil by definition.
That’s the creepy part.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:24 amSGT Higgins,
I think our tax dollars are flowing to Iraq due in part to Jesus whispering in Bush’s ear. You can’t deny that Bush’s choice to go to war in Iraq has a religilous taint to it.
Maybe not totally, and we will never know why the stupid f*ck launched his personal war in Iraq, but the voices in his head definitely played a part.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:32 am20wordsorless sez:
What proof do you have that he isn’t a Christian?
Matthew 7:15-20
Also, his patronage of the Bohemian Grove is a strong argument against his alleged piety.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
I’ve heard that Bush sr. was a member of the Bohemian Club, but not Bush jr. I googled the info and found some articles that claimed W. was at the grove, but is that really true? I don’t know.
As for your scripture reference of Matthew 7, Jesus was specifically addressing false prophets, but it can apply to all of us. Christians are human. They make mistakes, they make bad choices, and they fall into sin. King David committed adultery and then set up the womans husband to be killed in battle, yet the Bible records David as being a man after Gods own heart.
My point is this… Christians aren’t perfect. Bush claims to be a Christian, and I accept that the same as I would from anyone else who claims to be one. To use the war as well as the claims from Bush’s political oppents as proof that he isn’t a Christian is pretty weak. What does concern me though is; if Bush really is a member of the Bohemian Club, and if he partakes in the alleged activities. In my opinion, a Christian has no business there, but as with everyone who claims to be a follower of Christ—only God really knows if they truly are or not.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:33 amWe don’t hear voices.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — July 25, 2007 @ 11:15 am
LOL Gort, you wouldn’t know GOD if He appeared in front of ya. Too bad, bud. ;)
July 25th, 2007 at 11:44 amupright left
Do the voices tell you to do things?
July 25th, 2007 at 11:49 amupright left
http://www.geocities.com/psynurse.geo/papers/HPCope.htm
July 25th, 2007 at 11:53 amI think our tax dollars are flowing to Iraq due in part to Jesus whispering in Bush’s ear. You can’t deny that Bush’s choice to go to war in Iraq has a religilous taint to it.
Maybe not totally, and we will never know why the stupid f*ck launched his personal war in Iraq, but the voices in his head definitely played a part.
Comment by nanlichi
nan,
you’re invalidating your points as fast as you can make them. these are quotes from your comment:
I think our tax dollars — worded as opinion.
You can’t deny — exclusionary.
we will never know —- And yet you profess to know.
the voices in his head definitely — definitely? Thought we’d ‘never know’.
I’m not saying you’re wrong, just suggesting that your argument could be better presented.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:56 amComment by Bruce Gorton — July 25, 2007 @ 11:53 am
LOL Gort, you wouldn’t know GOD if He appeared in front of ya. Too bad, bud. ;)
July 25th, 2007 at 12:04 pmGods don’t talk to people as they are the creation of people as they attempt to comphrehend the complex and confusing world they exist in.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:06 pm20wordsorless sez:
No, it can’t apply to all of us. Chimpy is on record as saying that God talks to him and tells him to do things…specific things. From his fruits, it’s clear that he is not being directed by God. Chimpy is the quintessential false prophet…exactly the sort of person Jesus was targeting in Matthew 7:15-20.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:09 pm“God doesn’t talk to people who think God is the creation of people as they attempt to comprehend the complex and confusing world they exist in.”
Exactly! ;)
July 25th, 2007 at 12:12 pmSGT Higgins,
Things are never black and white, and of course it’s my opinion. I could have been more logically consistent. Let me try again.
Here are some facts: Bush has said on several occasions that God told him to fight in Iraq. Bush has also said, long before he was adjudicated pResident, that he wanted to be remembered as a “War President”.
My point is that only Boy George knows the whole reason we are fighting in Iraq, and we may never know.
Was it solely the will of God as interpreted by Bush?
Was it because he wanted to be remembered as a War President?
Was it because he wanted to show Daddy that he could be someone?
Was it because he wanted to be more than the pathetic loser he had always been?
Was he convinced by the neocons in his administration that it was the right thing to do?
Was it a cocktail mix of several factors?
I am just saying that Bush’s War has a religious taint to it that can’t be denied. And his supporters are almost all Christians.
Again, not all Christians support Bush, but all (to a great degree) of Bush supporters are Christian. It’s not right to despise all Christians as Bush supporters, but I do despise all Bush supporters as enablers and killers.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:15 pmTripMaster Monkey
If Christians had to read the Bible you wouldn’t have as many of them.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:16 pmNo, it can’t apply to all of us. Chimpy is on record as saying that God talks to him and tells him to do things…specific things. From his fruits, it’s clear that he is not being directed by God. Chimpy is the quintessential false prophet…exactly the sort of person Jesus was targeting in Matthew 7:15-20.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
You’re not giving me much to interact with. Contrary to popular belief, I don’t hang on every word that comes out of Bush’s mouth. I don’t remember him saying that God tells him to do specific things—Do you remember what those things were? Also, could you be specific about his fruits?
July 25th, 2007 at 12:17 pmComment by upright left — July 25, 2007 @ 12:12 pm
I think you’ve got that a little mixed up. Do many Gods speak to polytheistic belivers. Maybe they have a partyline?
July 25th, 2007 at 12:22 pmComment by dbadass — July 25, 2007 @ 12:22 pm
There’s only one, bud. ;)
July 25th, 2007 at 12:27 pmHow can two men with such strong faith make such horrible decisions that run contrary to the most funamental tenants of their faith?
July 25th, 2007 at 12:28 pmThere’s only one, bud. ;)
Comment by upright left — July 25, 2007 @ 12:27 pm
How do you know?
July 25th, 2007 at 12:29 pmHere are Bush’s exact words, “God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then He instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me, I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them.”
Nabil Shaath says: “President Bush said to all of us: ‘I’m driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, “George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.” And I did, and then God would tell me, “George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq …” And I did. And now, again, I feel God’s words coming to me, “Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East.” And by God I’m gonna do it.’”
Bush believes he was called by God to lead the nation at this time, says Commerce Secretary Don Evans, a close friend who talks with Bush every day.
Bush said to James Robinson: ‘I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can’t explain it, but I sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen… I know it won’t be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it.’”
July 25th, 2007 at 12:29 pm20 wordsorless Chimpy said that God told him to invade IRAQ.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:30 pmhttp://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1007-03.htm
How do you know?
Comment by dbadass — July 25, 2007 @ 12:29 pm
Some people are worth the explanation, others aren’t. Sorry, buddy. Call your local Christian church. They will be glad to explain it, even to you. ;)
July 25th, 2007 at 12:38 pmeven to you. ;)
Comment by upright left — July 25, 2007 @ 12:38 pm
What’s that suppose to mean? Anyway there’s a reason it is called faith rather than fact. Why shouldn’t I call my local synagogue or mosque?
July 25th, 2007 at 12:45 pmWhat’s that suppose to mean? Anyway there’s a reason it is called faith rather than fact. Why shouldn’t I call my local synagogue or mosque?
Comment by dbadass — July 25, 2007 @ 12:45 pm
Some Christians believe there is no such thing as a lost cause. Others disagree. Feel free to go to a mosque or synagogue. Couldn’t hurt you. Well, that’s not entirely true. You might be in danger at some mosques. You might want to see where they stand on terrorism and infidels before ya visit them. ;)
July 25th, 2007 at 1:03 pmWell I quess Upright Left we’ll have to leave it at that. I had sort of thought you might be more insightful but we all make mistakes. I will continue my inquiries into the role of religion in human life and the reasons they all seem to think that theirs is better than others and how they can not cite the basis for their all too often desire to state beliefs as facts. If you come up with any empirical evidences let me know. Till then it will continue with the opinion tht religion is a useful condition but one of man’s own creation.
July 25th, 2007 at 1:11 pmdbadass
Well, you suddenly get this massive sense of superiority, and lose all sense of other people mattering. In essence, you go from being a perfectly reasonable human being, into being a smug, self righteous jackass who thinks he has all of the answers because he heard a voice in his head tell him so. (Not to be confused with the virtually identicle effects of cocain.)
You know the voice is God, because that voice, oddly enough, never actually disagrees with you. No “Don’t kill those people who welcomed you into the promised land, offered you brides among their people, but have different skin colours” if you are a racist.
You get the full on “Go out and commit genocide, kill the buggers off. All of them. And if you miss one I will be seriously cross.” (AKA: How Saul’s line lost their claim to the rulership of the Jews.)
July 25th, 2007 at 1:19 pmComment by dbadass — July 25, 2007 @ 1:11 pm
I made the suggestion that you contact your local Christian church on the outside chance that you or anyone reading this thread actually had an interest. I’ve seen the savage responses that Christians receive from the good folks on this site. There are people with whom I will engage in serious discussions of Chrisitanity, even non-believers. But those folks are certainly not here. ;)
July 25th, 2007 at 1:26 pmComment by nanlichi — July 25, 2007 @ 12:29 pm
I stand corrected. he is a nut.
July 25th, 2007 at 2:23 pmSGT Higgins,
But you knew that all along! I think you mistook my vitriol against Bush’s abuse of his religion as a slam for all Christians, and that’s not what I intended.
July 25th, 2007 at 2:33 pmBut you knew that all along! — well, yes
I think you mistook my vitriol against Bush’s abuse of his religion as a slam for all Christians, —- Well, as a slam against Christianity, at least. And let’s face it, when people start hearing the voice of God telling them to do something, like feed the hungry, or help the homeless, that’s fine, I guess, with the secular folks. But when they start telling people that the voice has instructed them to kill a bunch of people, that is too easy for the secular to point at and laugh. And with good reason.
and that’s not what I intended. — My apologies. I didn’t intend to take your comment out of context.
Comment by nanlichi
July 25th, 2007 at 2:47 pm20wordsorles sez:
I’m not going to detail the “fruits” of Chimpy’s reign…if you haven’t been paying enough attention to realize what this man has been doing to our country and the world, I’m not going to do your thinking for you.
As for your request for me to substantiate my claim that Chimpy has claimed that God tells him to do stuff, that’s an entirely reasonable request, and here is your answer:
-Chimpy’s exact words.
The leader of the free world, who commands the largest nuclear arsenal on the planet, hears voices in his head, and does what they tell him to do.
He’s either a false prophet, or he’s very ill. Either way, he has no business in the Oval Office.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:08 pm