Senators Call Bush’s Veto Of Children’s Health Insurance Program ‘Outrageous’ And ‘Offensive’
Senators Call Bush’s Veto Of Children’s Health Insurance Program ‘Outrageous’ And ‘Offensive’
Congress is currently considering legislation to reauthorize and expand the popular State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP), which currently insures close to 6 million children. The new proposal would expand “current levels of spending by $35 billion over the next five years” and “reduce the number of uninsured children by 4.1 million.”
Six Republicans on the Senate Finance Committee voted for the SCHIP expansion, which is being heavily opposed by the tobacco industry. But “in an unexpected turn of events,” the conservative leadership announced that it is caving to President Bush’s demands and is objecting to the legislation.
Bush has promised to veto the SCHIP expansion. Today in an event at the Center for American Progress, Sens. Bob Casey (D-PA) and Hillary Clinton (D-NY) sharply criticized the veto threat:
Casey: [Bush] wants to give a billion dollars a year of an increase for children’s health insurance, and tens of billions — by one estimate as much as a hundred billion dollars — in tax cuts to wealthy people. … I don’t understand it and we are not going to accept that because fortunately, unlike a lot of things on Capitol Hill, there is bipartisan agreement on this.
Clinton: [I]f he wants to have part of his legacy be vetoing the child health insurance program then we’ll try to override the veto because this is absolutely an imperative. … I just think it’s outrageous and offensive that the President would threaten to veto this legislation.
Watch it:
As Ezra Klein notes, the right-wing objections to SCHIP are “explicitly ideological.” They are based in a right-wing desire to see “as few individuals on government-based insurance as possible.” Conservatives are rallying opposition to children’s health care as “spring training” practice for future battles over universal coverage.
This year, SCHIP marks its 10th anniversary as a bipartisan, federal-state collaboration to improve the nation’s health coverage. Bruce Lesley of First Focus calls SCHIP “the one major healthcare success story over the past 10 years” for providing “cost-effective health coverage to millions of children with coverage that the private market by itself has been unable to provide.” Along with Medicaid, SCHIP has “reduced the proportion and the number of low-income children who are uninsured by about one third since 1997.”
Transcript:
PODESTA: Just because it’s so topical, I would just ask you both to comment on one item we didn’t talk about. But kids who are sick also can’t learn and right now there is a controversy over the bipartisan SCHIP bill that the President has threatened to veto and I wonder if you might want to comment on that since it’s likely to be before the Senate in the very near future.
CLINTON: Absolutely, you know I am very proud to have helped start SCHIP when I was first lady and am very gratified by the fact that it does insure nearly six million children, but we have still about nine million children who are uninsured. And both the House and the Senate are working to expand out coverage.
First of all, we have to reauthorize SCHIP by the first of September.
So first and foremost, we have to keep the existing program going, but we all believe that it is important to try to expand its coverage beyond the nearly six million that it covers now because John is absolutely right, as every one of us knows, a child with a physical illness, dental problems, other undiagnosed ailments — behavioral or even mental — is not going to be successful. And it is just wrong for the president to threaten to veto this effort to expand the children’s health insurance program.
So we’re going to do everything we can to pass this program. And if he wants to have part of his legacy be vetoing the child health insurance program then we’ll try to override the veto because this is absolutely an imperative. There are lots of examples of how children are not successful in school because they don’t have access to quality, affordable healthcare. I just think it’s outrageous and offensive that the President would threaten to veto this legislation.
CASEY: To reiterate what Senator Clinton said, I really find it hard to accept the fact that once again the millionaires and the multi- millionaires and the billionaires will get their tax cut this year to the tune of tens of billions of dollars, just in one year. And president has told us is that apparently he believes that the [SCHIP] program is working and it should be reauthorized and should have an increase in funding. But he only wants to give five billion dollars of an increase over five years. So he wants to give a billion dollars a year of an increase for children’s health insurance, and tens of billions — by one estimate as much as a hundred billion dollars — in tax cuts to wealthy people.
I don’t understand it and we are not going to accept that because fortunately, unlike a lot of things on Capitol Hill, there is bipartisan agreement on this and — there are a lot of Republican senators who don’t’ understand — even if they are quite about it, as they sometimes are — they don’t understand why the president has taken this position. So I can’t say how much, I can’t emphasize enough, I should say, how critically important this is, this year, to get this done to make sure we fund it in a way that make sense for children but also makes sense for the health of the country.
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in an unexpected turn of events,†the conservative leadership announced that it is caving to President Bush’s demands and is objecting to the legislation.
I don’t see why following your commander-in-chief’s policy would be that strange.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:13 pmHere’s Bush’s little rant against having children get more health care.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:15 pma right-wing desire to see “as few individuals on government-based insurance as possible.â€
All these damn kids, always coming around wanting stuff.
“Can I have some milk?”
“Can I have some food?”
“Can I have some medicine?”
Republicans: “Sheesh, you just ate yesterday, what’s your problem? medicine? why? you an addict? (*please say yes, so we can ship you off into the prison system*). Medicine! You hear that? Some 6 year old just told she needed ‘medicine’. What is she, a Dr.?
July 25th, 2007 at 4:16 pmRepublicans are more and more reminding me of the bank lendersin those “small business loan - What’s in your wallet” commercials.
Apparently, “government-run healthcare” is only good when it removes polyps from his own ass.
Typical self-centered conservative whiner.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:17 pmthis is not funny. it is time we get a new government, for the one we have is totally useless and harmful to our collective health
July 25th, 2007 at 4:18 pmI Love Compassionate Conservatism!
July 25th, 2007 at 4:18 pmWhy do Republicans love fetuses but hate the children they become?
Just more obstructionism. I am sure that the replacement bill that will be put to the floor will be pretty much the same thing, but the Republicans want to take credit for it.
Unfortunately, the Democrats would have to vote for it, and allow the Republicans to do so.
The Republicans are putting politics over people once again. Unsurprised.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:20 pmsick sick sick… i can’t even comprehend the conservo-wacked out logic on this.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:20 pmUHC NOW!!!
Ages ago, Marc Maron (of blessed memory) described Republicans as people who believed that the worst thing you could possibly do for the poor is help them.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:21 pmPretty much nailed it.
Remember, if American children get healthcare, the terrorists win!
July 25th, 2007 at 4:21 pmHealth care for the privledged; screw the middle class. That about sums up bush-cheney-g.o.p. view of Americans.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:23 pmThe next time you hear someone say,”There’s no difference between the Democrats and the Republicans”, this is a very good example of why they are wrong.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:24 pmYou really don’t see what is wrong with vetoing a children’s health bill? Wow, where the hell did you get your morals?
July 25th, 2007 at 4:24 pmfor sausagebob et al:
Section 2.
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/article02/
A commander-in-chief is the commander of a nation’s military forces or significant element of those forces.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:25 pmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commander-in-chief
Hey, as soon is something is opposed by the tobacco industry then you know it must be on the right tracks.
Incidentally, I’m a smoker so please feel free to label me a hypocrite. Wish I wasn’t but 14 yr old UKBristolDave had other ideas…..
July 25th, 2007 at 4:26 pmin an unexpected turn of events,†the conservative leadership announced that it is caving to President Bush’s demands and is objecting to the legislation.
I what universe is that considered “unexpected”?
July 25th, 2007 at 4:28 pmTypical Republican refusing to support children and family values, while spending hundreds of billions on weapons.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:29 pmWow, where the hell did you get your morals?
It’s not a question of morals. It’s a question of obedience. Senators are doing what they are supposed to do: following the order of the commander-in-chief.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:30 pmThey’ve got theirs, screw everybody else.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:31 pmGotta be repukelickins…
Well, these days the country carries the burden of insuring 5-8 children per couple, probably all illegal immigrants. So yes, the country can’t afford this. This is cost ineffective.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:32 pmBush’s Texas was the only state to not fund this program when it started. This should come as no surprise. At least they can’t say they’re doing it for the children.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:32 pmRemember, it is ‘Compassionate Conservatism’.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:32 pmWhat’s sick about this is a kid can’t just go out and get a job to pay for his or her healthcare, like conservatives believe that an adult could. I have not seen any stories on this on the MSM sites, which is pathetic.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:33 pmPresident Bush is to veto a bill that would ban mercury in flu vaccines for children despite its known links to autism and other neurological disorders and despite the fact that he pledged in 2004 to support such a move when campaigning for re-election.
The White House stated on Tuesday that President Bush would veto the FY 2008 HHS-Labor-Education Appropriations Bill because of the cost and “objectionable provisions” such as a measure to ban the use of childhood flu vaccines that contain thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative, a press release from Autism advocacy group Safe Minds on the PRNewswire-USNewswire states.
Bush is calling for an amendment that would remove the children’s safety provision from the bill.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:33 pmJust be thankful he’s not crushing their testicles.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:33 pmI can’t wait for that pudthwacker to veto that bill!!
July 25th, 2007 at 4:33 pmI can see the campaign commercials now; big-eyed children asking why did Senator (insert g.o.p. name) vote against health care for me?
Good luck with this one republics.
Why does the g.o.p. hate children?
July 25th, 2007 at 4:33 pmIt’s not a question of morals. It’s a question of obedience. Senators are doing what they are supposed to do: following the order of the commander-in-chief.
Comment by Boudin Bob — July 25, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
Wow. You have a vastly different view of our form of representational democracy than I do.
Your view sounds an awful lot like an authoritarian regime.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:34 pmWith his vocal opposition to the expansion of the S-CHIP program to provide health care coverage for more of America’s children, President Bush is returning to the same tried and true formula he first pioneered in Texas. That is, Bush initially fought the legislation on ideological grounds before caving to popular pressure and grudgingly accepting some version of the bill. Then, as with the Texas S-CHIP program, the Texas Patients Bill of Right and the 2003 Medicare prescription drug benefit, Bush claimed credit for it.
for the details, see:
July 25th, 2007 at 4:35 pm“S-CHIP on Bush’s Shoulder.”
Comment by Angry One — July 25, 2007 @ 4:35 pm
So you are saying that healthcare provided by a non-profitmaking body works? Hold the front page!
:-)
July 25th, 2007 at 4:37 pmBoudin Bob: “It’s not a question of morals. It’s a question of obedience. Senators are doing what they are supposed to do: following the order of the commander-in-chief.”
You don’t really know much about our constitutional system and the men who crafted it, do you Bob.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:37 pmPerhaps we might have more money if it werent being spent on every illegal soul who manages to put a toe over our border. This really is just a prelude to bigger and stupider ideas by the dems, mainly because you cant compromise with the left; agree to give them an inch and the next day they demand a mile.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:37 pmAhnuld shootz for the tohp
July 25th, 2007 at 4:39 pmTo protect the constitution as the US having coequal branches of govt judiciary panel issues contempt citations
It’s not a question of morals. It’s a question of obedience. Senators are doing what they are supposed to do: following the order of the commander-in-chief.
Comment by Boudin Bob
Comment by spit take — July 25, 2007 @ 4:34 pm
Comment by katy — July 25, 2007 @ 4:25 pm
Spit & Katy,
Bob is a troll. His only mission in life (besides the unenviable task of having to wash Mr. Pee’s tube sock once a year) is to get you riled up with stupid and inane comments. It’s what sustains him.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:39 pmWhy does the g.o.p. hate children?
Comment by helenahandbasket — July 25, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
If this plan is so good let the states implement it for themselves. Or did we forget the 10th amendment to the Constitution? Why is it so hard for you “progressives†to understand that government rarely gets anything right and if left alone private industry will resolve the issue? Why force it government health care on everyone?
July 25th, 2007 at 4:40 pmYou don’t really know much about our constitutional system and the men who crafted it, do you Bob.
Oh, I do. I just think that it’s a high time for a change. Let’s have some discipline in our constitutional system, people!
July 25th, 2007 at 4:40 pmWe’d also have more money for healthcare if we didn’t spend $300-plus billion a year on defense.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:40 pmSeeing an opportunity to solve both the armed forces recruiting problem and provide children with healthcare, Bush advised that all uninsured children should enlist in the military.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:41 pmHis only mission in life (besides the unenviable task of having to wash Mr. Pee’s tube sock once a year) is to get you riled up with stupid and inane comments. It’s what sustains him.
Nah. I’m just fscking bored here.
Watching all this instrumentation in the lab is just too boring.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:42 pmOffensive? Bush gave much more money to SCHIP than Bill Clinton ever did!
July 25th, 2007 at 4:42 pmWhy is it so hard for you “progressives†to understand that government rarely gets anything right and if left alone private industry will resolve the issue? Why force it government health care on everyone?
How can the government do any worse than the system that we have now? You conservatives have no clue about anything. The private capitalist system is why were are in this mess, idiot.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:43 pmComment by Frybread — July 25, 2007 @ 4:40 pm
Frybread, Frybread, Frybread. The point you are missing is that guns and bombs are sexy. Keeping people alive is boring. Hell, look at the picture of a 45 year old man who hasn’t been blown apart. Then look at the footage of a cruise missle blowing the living jesus out of something. Which one gives you a hard on?
July 25th, 2007 at 4:44 pm#32 that makes no sense. the money being spent on illegals who claim health care is not even a drop in the bucket when you look at all the money we WASTE in iraq!!!
fuzzy math?!
jackass
July 25th, 2007 at 4:44 pmOffensive? Bush gave much more money to SCHIP than Bill Clinton ever did!
Do you have proof?
July 25th, 2007 at 4:44 pmComment by SGT Higgins — July 25, 2007 @ 4:39 pm
Your website is touching, Mr. Higgins.
You seem to be a good family man. Good blessings to you and your family.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:45 pmThe private capitalist system is why were are in this mess, idiot.
Comment by Frybread — July 25, 2007 @ 4:43 pm
How so?
July 25th, 2007 at 4:48 pm“If this plan is so good let the states implement it for themselves. Or did we forget the 10th amendment to the Constitution?”
States don’t have the money for this. Even if they did, do you really feel it would be appropriate for every American child to have coverage except for those in backasswards states like South Carolina
“Why is it so hard for you “progressives†to understand that government rarely gets anything right”
I agree, that’s certainly true of Republican administrations
“and if left alone private industry will resolve the issue?”
Sure they will! Just like Enron did!
“Why force it government health care on everyone?”
Oh yes, becuase Americans would rather die than have the opportunity to see a doctor when they are sick! Like your ideological masters, you are completely disconnected from public opinion and on your way to obscurity. Have a nice ride!
Comment by Kevin — July 25, 2007 @ 4:40 pm
July 25th, 2007 at 4:48 pmComment by Frybread — July 25, 2007 @ 4:44 pm
Hey frybread, I was being sarcy. Hope you didn’t take offense
July 25th, 2007 at 4:49 pmYour website is touching, Mr. Higgins.
You seem to be a good family man. Good blessings to you and your family.
Comment by Lefty Cat Scan
Thank you.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:49 pmBoudin Bob: “Let’s have some discipline in our constitutional system, people!”
Bob, why do you think the founders made the rules and powers of Congress the first article? Wouldn’t “discipline” in this case apply to the executive branch? Why shouldn’t the executive branch recognize and have the discipline to bow to the power of Congress, the “people’s body.”
Or, let me put this another way. Would you agree that a President Hillary Clinton should disregard the congress if they disagree with her policies? Are you ready to fall in lock-step behind Hillary Clinton?
July 25th, 2007 at 4:49 pm#32 that makes no sense. the money being spent on illegals who claim health care is not even a drop in the bucket when you look at all the money we WASTE in iraq!!!
fuzzy math?!
jackass
You do understand that how much money we spend in Iraq is irrelevant in determining how much money is wasted on illegals. In the purely technical sense, wasting money on two different things doesnt detract from the ‘wastefulness’ of either.
Or are you too much of a dumbass to understand that simple point? Dont bother answering, I already know.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:49 pmComment by Frybread — July 25, 2007 @ 4:44 pm
http://healthaffairs.org/press/janfeb0201.htm
Enrollment in the State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) grew 70 percent in fiscal year 2000, from 1.9 million to 3.3 million. Total SCHIP spending increased to $2.8 billion in 2000, up from $1.8 billion in 1999.
Bush’s proposal is $30 billion over 5 years, or $6 billion annually. Currently, its at $5 billion.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:51 pmStates don’t have the money for this.
How so?
July 25th, 2007 at 4:52 pmWould you agree that a President Hillary Clinton should disregard the congress if they disagree with her policies? Are you ready to fall in lock-step behind Hillary Clinton?
Ah. The dreaded Hillary-scenario.
That’s so hypothetical that I won’t even bother answering it. Face it. Hillary (or any dem for that matter) won’t be allowed to win in 2008.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:53 pmYou trust the government to provide you health care? The same government who cant seem to anything right? Great, next the government, who pays the bills, will start deciding what you get to eat, where you get to travel, what hobbies youre allowed to do, etc.
Mr. Orwell, sir, its time to roll over in your grave.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:56 pmOh yes, becuase Americans would rather die than have the opportunity to see a doctor when they are sick! Like your ideological masters, you are completely disconnected from public opinion and on your way to obscurity. Have a nice ride!
Comment by Kevin — July 25, 2007 @ 4:40 pm
Name something the government does better than private industry……
Who pays?
July 25th, 2007 at 4:57 pmYou cannot have an abortion because we need dumbed down and sickly American children to grow up and work in sweat shops to replace the illegal aliens who do the jobs Americans don’t want!!
Plus we need that money to pay for freeing the terrorists in Iraq so they won’t attack the homeland. We must spend billions rebuilding the Iraqi infrastructure so we can have a healthy happy terrorist Democracy in the middle east. We also need to keep building multi-million dollar guided weapons that can shoot camels up the butt and destroy cheap adobe shacks and lean-toos and nomadic tents. We must destroy the world in order to save it you stupid liberals will never learn. Money and greed and war are our saviour! Not some peace love hippy Jesus communal pot heads spewing love your enemy and turn the other cheek dribble.
/sarcon
July 25th, 2007 at 4:57 pmM12, Bush’s $30 billion over 5 years will result in another 5 to 6 million children NOT being covered. The congressional plan results in 4.1 million children MORE being covered. The cost of healthcare has risen at 5 to 10 times the rate of inflation over the last 6 years, so 90’s numbers for this area are next to irrelevant. And the states are strapped for money as a result of lower state taxation rates as well as unfunded federal mandates in education and cuts to their federal dollars for welfare and homeland security. Texas, for example, is almost bankrupt. California has huge budget problems. Most states are in the same stew.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:58 pmComment by Kevin — July 25, 2007 @ 4:57 pm
National Defense?
July 25th, 2007 at 4:58 pmFood and Drug Inspection?
Provide ALL of our Infrastructure?
How so?
Because they are already burdened with underfunded mandates such as Dumbya’s “No child left behind.”
July 25th, 2007 at 4:59 pmWell, I hope that the Democrats pass it anyway and make Bush veto it. People are sick and tired (pun intended) of our healthcare system and vetoing health care for children is going to sink Bush further.
I just hope that the Democrats don’t just stop on this because they know Bush will veto it. They need to do their job and pass laws and let Bush find his “veto pen” which was strangely missing for 6 years.
All those Senators who backed down are going to catch hell from their constituents for doing this. Hopefully their constituents will remember this when it comes time to vote in 2008.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:00 pmYour website is touching, Mr. Higgins.
and i wanted you to know that, while at the same time
slighting your distinguished military service…
- l c scan
sure what it looks like to me, sarge…
and yes, i know about the trooll, sausagebob…
July 25th, 2007 at 5:00 pmthanks…
We are the only Western industrialized nation that does not have universal healthcare, yet we pay more per capita than any of our peers for healthcare.
Kevin, please explain to us why Americans don’t deserve the same access to care that the rest of the civilized world has.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:01 pmName something the government does better than private industry……
Who pays?
Comment by Kevin — July 25, 2007 @ 4:57 pm
Feed the poor?
July 25th, 2007 at 5:01 pmKeep orphans alive?
Negotiate Treaties?
Collect taxes?
Maintain our national parks?
M12, Bush’s $30 billion over 5 years will result in another 5 to 6 million children NOT being covered. The congressional plan results in 4.1 million children MORE being covered. The cost of healthcare has risen at 5 to 10 times the rate of inflation over the last 6 years, so 90’s numbers for this area are next to irrelevant.
This is your excuse for your hero Clinton? Health insurance premiums have increased about 85% since 2000, and SCHIP, going from $2.8b to $6b, more than keeps pace with it!
July 25th, 2007 at 5:02 pmBecause they are already burdened with underfunded mandates such as Dumbya’s “No child left behind.â€
You mean Ted Kennedy’s No Child Left Behind?
July 25th, 2007 at 5:02 pmName something the government does better than private industry……
Who pays?
Comment by Kevin — July 25, 2007 @ 4:57 pm
Break up monopolies?
July 25th, 2007 at 5:03 pmFarm subsidies?
Monitor transportation security?
You trust the government to provide you health care? The same government who cant seem to anything right?
Comment by CowTown
Yeah the same govt that provides the police, fire dept, safe drinking water, schools for our children, etc. Which would most likely be run into the ground if profit was involved. But hey to a con a burning building deserves govt allocation more than the health of a citizen.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:03 pmKevin: “Name something the government does better than private industry……”
Medicare: the operational overhead for Medicare is 2 to 3%, while insurance based healthcare is 25 to 35% for profit-based and about 20% for non-profit.
Rural electification: even hard-core libertarians admit that private industry could never have developed rural America as efficiently as did government.
Interstate highways: Nobody in their right mind believes private industry could do a better job than government in this area.
Voting: we never had near the election problems before the vote was privatized.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:03 pmName something the government does better than private industry……
Comment by Kevin
Are you saying that you would want to privatize the police?
July 25th, 2007 at 5:04 pmName something the government does better than private industry……
Who pays?
Comment by Kevin — July 25, 2007 @ 4:57 pm
Provide essential utilities like energy?
Create and develop emerging technologies like the Internet?
July 25th, 2007 at 5:05 pmm12: “You mean Ted Kennedy’s No Child Left Behind?”
OK, now that’s the definition of intellectual dishonesty and you know it. Kennedy tried to cooperate with Bush on this. Bush’s budgets didn’t actually support the program and Kennedy has been very vocal in criticizing how this program has been implimented. I’m assuming you know all of this.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:05 pmAre you saying that you would want to privatize the police?
Comment by dlet — July 25, 2007 @ 5:04 pm
Don’t forget we used to have private fire departments…that worked out really well.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:06 pm“It’s not a question of morals. It’s a question of obedience. Senators are doing what they are supposed to do: following the order of the commander-in-chief.
Comment by Boudin Bob”
Hey Bob, Hitler would have been very happy to have you as one of his own. And you would have fit in just fine.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:06 pmI thought that Bush was the guy who didn’t leave children behind. Whats up with this? Does this mean that no child left behind was just a campaign slogan and that the Chimpmeister lied to us again?
July 25th, 2007 at 5:06 pmNo no no, you HAVE to have an abortion because babies will only cause more global warming. Every time the little aholes fart, they add carbon to the atmosphere and that is UNACCEPTABLE.
What we should do is pour all of our funds into building Interpretive Cultural Centers where Americans can learn what total bastards they are and how the rest of the world is blameless for anything bad that happens.
We can also send money to Castro, Chavez, Kim and Ahmadinnerjacket to partially pay them back for our unfair policies that forced them to slaughter and imprison their own people.
Break out the guitars, Bin Laden can be swayed by a little brotherly kumbaya bullshit, he just needs to know he is LOVED!
/sarca….wait…I never put the sarcasm on. Hmm.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:06 pmMedicare: the operational overhead for Medicare is 2 to 3%, while insurance based healthcare is 25 to 35% for profit-based and about 20% for non-profit.
Never mind that Medicare spends $400b+ annually and is on the path to bankruptcy as it is…..
Maybe we should get rid of mandates like the Clean Water and Air Acts.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:06 pmHey, lets make the amount of fires the local fire department puts out linked to their profits. I wonder if the number of arsons would go up?
July 25th, 2007 at 5:06 pmBush is a heartless SOB.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:07 pmwhile at the same time
slighting your distinguished military service…
- l c scan
sure what it looks like to me, sarge…
Comment by katy
distinguished? katy, you’re too kind. But yeah, I saw the slight. I gave it the benefit of the doubt, there….but…
July 25th, 2007 at 5:07 pmI have a gut feeling (you know, like the one Chertoff had, but not as dangerous) that this is Joker, who not only insulted my son but, I suspect, name jacked me once before, including the link. On the off chance that I’m wrong about who it is, I decided to be civil.
Comment by War4Sale — July 25, 2007 @ 5:05 pm
Wasn’t rural electrification, although a bit old, something the US government did quite well? As was the socialist economy of WWII.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:07 pmThis topic really makes me mad each and every time it comes up.
Whoever is against universal healthcare, and there are many ways to ensure, that everybody has access, is expecting you to look at your sick baby and decide to let him/her get worse, so your child is sick enough for the emergency room! Should you, not being a doctor, misinterpret any symptoms and your baby dies, is that considered just bad luck? This is disgusting!
I lived in two countries with universal healthcare, it is mandatory to be insured, it’s the law(!), and I never experienced any of the downsides, like having to wait ages for treatment or anything. My father was a doctor and, while we weren’t rich, we were comfortably well off, although he worked in a country with universal healthcare.
So maybe the difference between being comfortably well off and being rich makes for the standpoint of US doctors to universal healthcare. But the health and well being of children, the most fragile and helpless members of society, are much closer to my heart, than the greed of medicinal entrepreneurs, for whom “doctor” is a mere title, not a calling.
I’m ranting again, this topic does that to me. Sorry to the regulars here.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:07 pmOK, now that’s the definition of intellectual dishonesty and you know it. Kennedy tried to cooperate with Bush on this. Bush’s budgets didn’t actually support the program and Kennedy has been very vocal in criticizing how this program has been implimented. I’m assuming you know all of this.
That’s because Ted Kennedy, as you know, is a two faced hypocrite.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:08 pmProvide essential utilities like energy?
Big Oil is actually Big Government? Holy moly, dont let this get back to Hillary, she might actually decide to take profits from the government to give back to the…uh…government.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:08 pmHey Bob, Hitler would have been very happy to have you as one of his own. And you would have fit in just fine.
Comment by bilbobaggins
Yeah, but he could only have been a brown-shirt, Bob’s only 11.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:09 pmMaybe we should get rid of mandates like the Clean Water and Air Acts.
Comment by m12 — July 25, 2007 @ 5:06 pm
Great idea! In fact, why don’t you convince the Republican candidate to make that the centerpiece of his campaign? I dare you!
July 25th, 2007 at 5:09 pmm12, Clinton is not my “hero.” I admire Clinton and I think he was a far more competent president than we have now.
But, no matter how you torture the numbers, the fact remains that the congressional funding will provide healthcare for 4.1 million more children and Bush’s plan will result in less children covered. This is according to the OMB.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:10 pmWhy universal healthcare? Is it somehow essential?
July 25th, 2007 at 5:10 pmAnother idea. Lets privatize clean drinking water. We could sell it more for the price of gasoline. Yet people could still get just a good of product from their tap.(That’s where most bottling companies get it from anyways…good lobbyists) Oh….wait…that’s been done.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:11 pmWe must continus to buy poisoned dog food and other dangerous foods from communist china you stoopit liberals. We need healthy chinese communists to support our sickly illiterate fellow Americans and protect our homeland from those healthy Iraqi terrorists with their newly built infrastucture!
YOU STOOPIT LIBERALS!!! We need our Islamic extremist and communist enemies to be healthy and strong and our people stupid and weak and dumb!!
You mean
Ted Kennedy’sGOP No Child Left Behind?Comment by m12
Maybe we should get rid of mandates like the Clean Water and Air Acts. Comment by m12
Hey hows that faith based initiative not working for ya? Yeh we need to have our lakes polluted like Chinas with smelly fungus to make our stoopit poor sickly Americans suffer from inhaling pollutants and drinking fetid water. Why lets bring lead based paint back!! Them sickly little kids can eat paint!!!!
Money is my God! Long live Mammon!
July 25th, 2007 at 5:11 pmGreat idea! In fact, why don’t you convince the Republican candidate to make that the centerpiece of his campaign? I dare you!
Well, according to the left, the Republican party is dead. It’s up to the Democrats to get rid of these mandates, and others like OSHA and HIPAA.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:12 pmMaybe we should get rid of mandates like the Clean Water and Air Acts.=
Comment by m12
Yes! Let’s just wallow in out own feces while we’re at it. My momma always said lead makes the water sweeter. Hmmm…….hmmm
July 25th, 2007 at 5:12 pmm12: “That’s because Ted Kennedy, as you know, is a two faced hypocrite.”
Look, I know you’re only 14 years old, but that’s no excuse. You ought to be able to make some sense by now. My children had more critical thinking skills in grammar school than you appear to have.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:12 pm“won’t be allowed to win in 2008.
Comment by Boudin Bob “
So Bob, how are you going to “not allow” the Democrats to win? The only thing I can think of is for the Republicans to take total control of our government by having Bush declare Martial Law. Is that what you are looking forward to?
July 25th, 2007 at 5:12 pmBut, no matter how you torture the numbers, the fact remains that the congressional funding will provide healthcare for 4.1 million more children and Bush’s plan will result in less children covered. This is according to the OMB.
And no matter how much you whine about the numbers, in 1 year, Bush has proposed more money for SCHIP than the first 42 Presidents combined!
That’s real generosity!
July 25th, 2007 at 5:13 pmNational Defense?
Food and Drug Inspection?
Provide ALL of our Infrastructure?
Comment by erock — July 25, 2007 @ 4:58 pm
Try and steal something from Microsoft.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:14 pmIsn’t this the year of the food recall? Most started voluntarily by the companies.
give an example. I have one. The US postal service vs. UPS. Who do you use?
I am for a veto. This “children’s health care” plan is NOT free. $35 billion more a years means more taxes for someone. And of all people, you try and overly tax poor Americans through an increase in a smoking tax. Do you think more tax of smokes will get these people to quit? If so, your children health plan won’t get the money anyways. If you think they won’t quit (they won’t, they are ADDICTED!), then your stealing from poor Americans to fund more entitlement programs. Either way, this is evil legislation at its finest.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:14 pmCowtown: “Why universal healthcare? Is it somehow essential?”
Yes, health and healthcare is essential. For citizens of every other industrialized nation on the planet, it is a right. Is your position that we are unable to accomplish what every other industrialized nation on the planet has done?
July 25th, 2007 at 5:15 pmIf Congress actually cared about this country or its people, they’d cut this vacation short, to a week at most, and get back to work.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:15 pmComment by Roger_Roger — July 25, 2007 @ 5:14 pm
Shhhh! Don’t try to confuse the ‘I want my free lunch’ liberals!
July 25th, 2007 at 5:15 pmerock,
July 25th, 2007 at 5:15 pmAs a protest to the government providing us with things that should be privatized please refrain from driving on any govt paved roads. That’ll show ‘em.
We need to jack-up the minimum wage to twenty bucks per hour, that would be fair, while simaltaneously forcing companies to keep everyone employed even if their job is extraneous or outdated.
You make wooden shoes? Great, take a seat over there. You build covered wagons? How grand, you get an office with a view. Your only skill is dusting? Marvelous, here is your $100,000 salary.
Stupid ass conservatives just dont understand modern business techniques! But dont worry, big government is here to educate you whether you like it or not. Give us your money, sit down and shut up.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:16 pmin an unexpected turn of events,†the conservative leadership announced that it is caving to President Bush’s demands and is objecting to the legislation.
I don’t see why following your commander-in-chief’s policy would be that strange.
Comment by Boudin Bob — July 25, 2007 @ 4:13 pm
Because it isn’t very prudent to keep backing a documented moron who is an absolute failure and the worst president in US history , skid mark……
July 25th, 2007 at 5:17 pmYes, health and healthcare is essential.
So is food. Should we have universal food supplies for everyone, provided by the government? Everyone gets the same food just as everyone is given the same healthcare?
July 25th, 2007 at 5:18 pmWell, according to the left, the Republican party is dead. It’s up to the Democrats to get rid of these mandates, and others like OSHA and HIPAA.
Comment by m12
Yeh we need these stoopit liberals to fall off more buildings and get buried in the concrete! we need to defeat communism by destroying the water, the air, the minds and hearts of Americans and have them living in unsafe, delapidated, lead painted crates built by untrained engineers with leaky septic systems and steam pipes that blow up at regular intervals and we should make them drink that leftover nuclear plutonium waste water leaking from the storage pits so they glow in the dark!! Why your a satanic moral majority value voter genius m12!
Money before mankind! m12 has great WussDumb!!
July 25th, 2007 at 5:18 pmIf Congress actually cared about this country or its people, they’d cut this vacation short, to a week at most, and get back to work.
What work? All the idiot Democrats can do is fund wars and obstruct nominations!
And you can be on vacation and manage the latter…
July 25th, 2007 at 5:18 pmRead This!
http://www.thedailystar.com/ news/ stories/ 2007/ 07/ 25/ jprowearrest0722.html
THEN…
Watch this!
http://video.google.com/ videoplay?docid=3837554806768067398
SPREAD THE WORD!
July 25th, 2007 at 5:18 pm“Why universal healthcare? Is it somehow essential?”
Yes, because the right to health should be exactly that, a “right”, and not a privilege. We are the only industrialized nation that thinks that health care is a privilege and not a right. It’s sick and downright embarrassing.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:19 pmRogerx2: that’s not fair — we’re the “I want my MTV” librals!!
July 25th, 2007 at 5:20 pmKevin: “Try and steal something from Microsoft.
Isn’t this the year of the food recall? Most started voluntarily by the companies.
give an example. I have one. The US postal service vs. UPS. Who do you use?”
Kevin, people steal things from Microsoft every day. And, yes, a lot of food is being recalled. This is because the current administration has cut back on regulations and the quality of food production has gone to hell. And, flash: the Postal Service was privatized years ago. It used to run better and cheaper when it was completely government run.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:20 pmYes, because the right to health should be exactly that, a “rightâ€, and not a privilege. We are the only industrialized nation that thinks that health care is a privilege and not a right. It’s sick and downright embarrassing.
Why?
July 25th, 2007 at 5:20 pm1. Kevin, please explain to us why Americans don’t deserve the same access to care that the rest of the civilized world has.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:20 pmComment by War4Sale — July 25, 2007 @ 5:01 pm
Americans don’t deserve to wait 6 weeks for an MRI. Or 6 months for an elective surgery, like say a knee replacement. They deserve to make choices without the government forcing someone else’s idea on us.
So is food. Should we have universal food supplies for everyone, provided by the government? Everyone gets the same food just as everyone is given the same healthcare?
Comment by CowTown
That’s kind of like saying everyone should get the same roads. The Govt is involve in food. It’s “supposed” to ensure that our food supply is safe for EVERYONE. (Just not the stuff from China…..they have to get rid of their toxic waste somehow)
July 25th, 2007 at 5:21 pmagain I bring up this issue… why does our tax payer money go towards this while other countries only pay a fraction to their defense.
Why…? because we are lining the pockets of corporate thugs while dwindling the funds … purposefully …towards our social programs.
Spending this is an outrage when we have 18,000 a year tax payers dying because of denied access to health care.
What happened to WE THE PEOPLE? When did it change to THEY THE THUGS?
July 25th, 2007 at 5:21 pmComment by m12 — July 25, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
And all the idiot Republicraps can do is START wars and obstruct supporting the troops…
July 25th, 2007 at 5:22 pmPart of the problem I see here is that people really don’t understand capitalism. The Father of Capitalism, Adam Smith actually believed that capitalism only works for a society when it is regulated. Every time capitalism has gone for any amount of time without strict regulation, it has self-destructed. The good news for liberals is that these periods of self-destruction have always resulted in populist uprisings which have always created stong middle classes.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:23 pmIt’s not a question of morals. It’s a question of obedience. Senators are doing what they are supposed to do: following the order of the commander-in-chief.
Comment by Boudin Bob — July 25, 2007 @ 4:30 pm
That’s seriously flawed thinking, Boudin Bob.
Beside the fact that the Senators do not work for the president, and he is not their commander in chief.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:23 pmSo is food. Should we have universal food supplies for everyone, provided by the government? Everyone gets the same food just as everyone is given the same healthcare?
Comment by CowTown
No, we must buy poisoned pickles from communist china! We must buy more goods from communist china!! We need more poison pet food!! We need lead paint and cars that get 2 mpg with no catalytic converters! We need to create smog to stop global warming! We need antique jet engines that blow plumes of black smoke! We need dirty technology to save the world!! We need more lung cancer and fatty fried foods!! We don’t need colleges we need labor farms!!
July 25th, 2007 at 5:23 pmComment by ace — July 25, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
Umm, spread what word?
Ace, This guy was picked up as a deserter. Is this a conspiracy because he just happened to put out a 9/11 conspiracy film?
Take a deep breath, wouldn’t want you to be too winded before the fed’s start chasing you.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:23 pmIf Congress actually cared about this country or its people, they’d cut this vacation short, to a week at most, and get back to work.
What work? All the idiot Democrats can do is fund wars and obstruct nominations!
And you can be on vacation and manage the latter…
Comment by m12 — July 25, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
You mean the “noble cause” claimed by your retarded simian hero ?
And all the horseshit GOP can do is start idiotic wars and lose them , and lie the whole time …..
July 25th, 2007 at 5:24 pmMan these conservatives are dumb. Dont they know that energy has been documented to appear out of nowhere? We dont need to develop our own sources of energy as we demand to cut ourselves off from foreign sources, the earth will provide.
Who needs heat and A/C anyway, those conserative fools in Minnesota can run in place to keep warm and those dunces in Florida can make themselves a paper fan to cool off. We need to stop processing oil and coal and also refuse to build nuke plants or windmill farms off Hyannisport, all we need is each other. Fuel the nation with love and and hugs, thats what I say!
Capitalism is a deadend. I can make my own clothing from weeds, plus I can eat my shirt when I get hungry. Dumb conservatives trying to keep the strongest economy that has ever existed alive, what kind of dolts are you?
July 25th, 2007 at 5:24 pmFeed the poor?
Keep orphans alive?
Negotiate Treaties?
Collect taxes?
Maintain our national parks?
Comment by erock — July 25, 2007 @ 5:01 pm
You don’t really think the government does a better job than the Salvation Army or the red cross do you?
July 25th, 2007 at 5:24 pmWhat?
Lawyers.
They have a monopoly on that. But if you want a better system check out Fairtax.org.
That are on fire. I don’t see many fires in Bush Gardens’ or some privately owned botanical gardens..
m12, if you’re asking why we are the only nation that doesn’t treat healthcare as a right, the answer is that large corporations have more political power here than anywhere else.
If you’re asking why this is sick and embarassing, the answer is simply common decency and patriotism.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:26 pmLoose Change Producer kidnapped by Army:
http://www.prisonplanet.com./ articles/ july2007/ 250707neoconscheer.htm
July 25th, 2007 at 5:26 pmagain I bring up this issue… why does our tax payer money go towards this - see what’s the story with this pie,@ http://www.truemajority.com/ while other countries only pay a fraction to their defense.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:26 pmThat’s kind of like saying everyone should get the same roads. The Govt is involve in food.
Paying to inspect food is not the same as paying to provide it. The government does not provide food, it merely monitors the safety of it.
Food is essential, why should not the government provide food to the people as it should healthcare? In fact food is MORE essential than healthcare since you cant survive at all without the chow.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:27 pm“Yes, because the right to health should be exactly that, a “rightâ€, and not a privilege. We are the only industrialized nation that thinks that health care is a privilege and not a right. It’s sick and downright embarrassing.
Why?
Comment by m12 “
There is no way I could explain it to you since you have no soul and no compassion. Any human being who doesn’t think that their brothers and sisters have a right to heath care when sick is lacking a soul and therefore has no compassion. Do you really care about that baby that is going to die because it’s parents can’t afford health insurance and can’t afford to take the baby to the hospital? What if it was you and that child was yours. Oh, I know, your answer will be “Well that never would be me because I’m such a special person I will never be in a position where I don’t have health insurance”.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:28 pmKevin: “You don’t really think the government does a better job than the Salvation Army or the red cross do you?”
Of course the government does a better job than the Salvation Army and the Red Cross, but only when the people in government are competent. Ask the people of Florida how FEMA worked for them after the largest hurricanes of the 90’s.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:30 pmI think one of Bush’s polyups survived and named itself Cow Town.
Paying to inspect food is not the same as paying to provide it. The government does not provide food, it merely monitors the safety of it
Comment by CowTown
Okay. The government should prvide the inspection of the food. And yes they do provide food to those that qualify for it. Just like it would be for universal health care. Its there for everyone that needs it and qualifies for it and if you want something better…pay for it…like you do now.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:30 pmWord of the day:
Kakistocracy. n. Government by the least qualified or most unprincipled citizens.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:31 pmDumb conservatives trying to keep the strongest economy that has ever existed alive, what kind of dolts are you?
Yeh, we need dirty air and water and dumbed down kids with no health care! We need another industrial age of Robber Barons! We need slums, prostitutes, pollution and gang wars! We need our skys darkened with the soot of industry!! Money before life! We need more Child Labor! We need petri dishes of greed like in the Mariannas! We need to buy more goods from poor destitute countries!! We need a bigger housing slump! We need more disparity amd more pot smoking Paris Hiltons!! We need more coke spoonLindsey Lohans YAY!!! We need more illegal drugs!! We need more drunk drivers!! We need more idiot papparazzi to follow the blonde haired bimbos around and make their dastardly deeds seem okay!! More bimbos in jail!! More idiot media!!
July 25th, 2007 at 5:31 pmDo you really care about that baby that is going to die because it’s parents can’t afford health insurance and can’t afford to take the baby to the hospital?
Name a single hospital that would turn away this baby. Why do you think illegal immigrants always use the emergency room?
July 25th, 2007 at 5:31 pmCowTown,
One other thing about providing food. What do you think all those farmer subsidies do? Lower costs to the farmer to provide food to the country?
July 25th, 2007 at 5:32 pmI usually don’t use such language, but the trolls here are a twisted, hard-hearted, cynical, evil, vampiric, disgusting and sociopathic flock of simpleminded a***holes.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:33 pmGreenguyfromStartrek: capitalism is not dead. It works fine when it is regulated. That’s just one reason why the Euro and the Pound are stronger currencies than the Dollar.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:33 pmName a single hospital that would turn away this baby. Why do you think illegal immigrants always use the emergency room?
July 25th, 2007 at 5:33 pmComment by CowTown
Have you ever been to an emergency room that is used by people that don’t have insurance?
Kevin: “You don’t really think the government does a better job than the Salvation Army or the red cross do you?
Why Halliburton has done a great job at rebuilding the infrastructure of iraq and bringing our troops bad water while overcharging the taxpayers!!!
We need to lose 8 billion more dollars in Iraq!! Just put it on a plane and fly it in!!
And Yes I’m a conservative just like Brittney Spears!! I’m gonna go to rehab soon and meet me a trophy wife!!
July 25th, 2007 at 5:34 pmCowtown: “Name a single hospital that would turn away this baby.”
Come on, shitheal. There’s a case history of a baby dying after being turned away from a hospital in “Sicko.” Nobody has even tried to argue that it isn’t a true story.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:35 pmQuestion for all you trollie-boys is whether you trust unregulated big business? Got Vioxx? Got Ford Escorts? Got Dead Pets? Got Child Labor?
July 25th, 2007 at 5:35 pmI don’t see why following your commander-in-chief’s policy would be that strange.
Comment by Boudin Bob — July 25, 2007 @ 4:13 pm
Are you really this clueless? The congress is not in the military and Bush is not their commander-in-chief. The member of the house and senate are elected by the people in their states to do the right thing. They are not elected to blindly follow an ideology.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:35 pmWhat we need to do is get rid of the evil corporations that are the source of all evil and are evil and do evil things and are really really evil.
Ok ok so they have provided us with luxury and comfort, modern medicines, nutritious food, flush toilets and a standard of living which allows us all sorts of spare time to do things like surf the internet….who cares?
They are evil and need to be demolished. Let the government take over providing us with everything. Dont you doltish conservatives understand that all we really need is a padded Mao jacket, a pre-fab one room apartment and a job at the broom factory?
Standing in bread lines is GOOD for you, keeps the circulation going.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:36 pmWarren Buffet has called for a tax increase. So has Bill Gates.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:36 pmPart of the problem I see here is that people really don’t understand capitalism.
The real problem is - is that Reagan made health care a for profit. Before that it was understood profiting from health care was immoral. Health care costs then were not out of bounds as it is today. And look where we are in 20 years: An average family of 4 pays $900 to $1300 per month for health insurance and with that, an insurance with such poor coverage many have to claim bankruptsy.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:37 pmI’m very much in favor of funding children’s healthcare, but should it be funded again by another tobacco tax increase then I am opposed to it. If the country is in favor of a program then it should act like it. Seeking funding through one group of people is disengeuous. Either you’re for the program or not and you are willing to pay for it.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:37 pmWhy not a tax on snacks, which cause huge health problems for children? A tax on too much T.V. which takes away time from exercise?
Cowtown: “Food is essential, why should not the government provide food to the people as it should healthcare?”
Because delivering food to our population has not been a problem. In fact, we have an obesity problem here. The problem is healthcare and no amount of silly strawman arguments will change that.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:38 pm“That’s so hypothetical that I won’t even bother answering it. Face it. Hillary (or any dem for that matter) won’t be allowed to win in 2008.”
Comment by Boudin Bob — July 25, 2007 @ 4:53 pm
The only way the Repubs will win the White House in 2008 will be if they practice caging on a huge scale to disenfranchise as many Dem voters as possible, and if they tamper with the electronic voting machines. Hmmm — come to think of it, they just may win. They’ve already shown they aren’t above doing these things.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:40 pmhad enough, the CEO of one of our HMO Corporations received $1.3 BILLION in compensation last year.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:40 pmComment by leftcoast — July 25, 2007 @ 5:37 pm
Love the sarcy left coast. I’m a smoker and it’s right I pay a fortune in tax (last time I checked it was something like 80% of the retail price) as my decision to smoke harms others and takes resources away from people who have made the decision to live the healthy life.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:41 pmStill haven’t heard from any conservative here that believes the police and fire department should be privatized like our health care system is. Really…Why so silent on this? Everything would be better privatized…wouldn’t it?
July 25th, 2007 at 5:41 pmCome on, shitheal. There’s a case history of a baby dying after being turned away from a hospital in “Sicko.†Nobody has even tried to argue that it isn’t a true story.
Did I hit a nerve there, jack, or are you a typical lib who resorts to cursing to prop up a failing argument? And its “shitheel”, not “heal”. Duh.
Where was this baby, what were the circumstances, what is the case study? Sicko also claimed that Cuba had the greatest health care system in the region, even though thats been heavily refuted and Castro had to fly-in a Spanish surgeon to operate on him.
If a soundbite from Sicko is the best you can do, perhaps you should keep up the name-calling, you obviously need it. Remember, its “heel”.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:42 pmWhy is our health care system ranked number 37, below that of Morocco, Cyprus, as well as almost every country in Europe? Do you think that proves that our private health care system works?
July 25th, 2007 at 5:43 pmmissmolly, keep in mind that Ohio elections are under the control of Democrats now and in Florida, they might even go to paper ballots. Nope. The Repubs are toast and they know it. Obstructing healthcare for children is just another nail in their coffin.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:44 pmleftcoast,
July 25th, 2007 at 5:46 pmWhile I agree with you on overtaxing tobacco products is wrong and the laws about smoking in public places also….I think that govt places like schools and such should not be paid by private companies to provide our kids food. They go cheap and we get coca-cola and pizza for lunch. There is nothing wrong there were days they dropped children down chimneys to clean them because they fit. Healthy society, more production, more intelligence, better democracy.
We need more greedy lobbysists, we need fascism, we need guys more limos and whores and guys like Cunningham! We need more of this type of conservatism to save our morals and our values!! We need more cash in the freezers to keep our economy strong! We need more special interest groups and pork barrel bridges to nowhere!! We need to pay people as little as possible so they cannot buy those goods that make our economy strong!! We need more poor uneducated sikly dolts, people that cannot buy American made goods so we can support communist china!! We must buy our oil from Mad Mullah countries and support Islamic Extremism to keep our economy strong!! We need sweat shops to bolster our economy and rob Americans of real paying jobs!! We need the housing bubble to burst so we can have empty homes that people cannot afford!!
YAY! Mammon YAY! Go Avarice!!! YAY! Forget Jesus turning the tables of the money changers!! We need USURY!!! USURY!!!
July 25th, 2007 at 5:47 pmThe only way the Repubs will win the White House in 2008 will be if they practice caging on a huge scale to disenfranchise as many Dem voters as possible, and if they tamper with the electronic voting machines.
You would think the republicans would