Comments on: Senators Call Bush’s Veto Of Children’s Health Insurance Program ‘Outrageous’ And ‘Offensive’ http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/casey-clinton-schip/ Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:58:05 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: copperdog http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/casey-clinton-schip/comment-page-9/#comment-3965708 copperdog Fri, 27 Jul 2007 04:16:48 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/casey-clinton-schip/#comment-3965708 <blockquote>Instead of concentrating on lack of standards in wombs, you might try asking the poor about lack of standards in character and responsibility! Comment by michael — July 26, 2007 @ 1:33 am What the hell does this have to do with a bunch of low lifes wanting ME to pay for their health care insurance? Comment by michael — July 26, 2007 @ 1:45 am</blockquote> In other words, lets cut off the nose (poor children) to spite the face (those low-life parents.) This strategy is bound to work! Way to be part of the solution! <blockquote>If drug companies didn’t exist, the health of the public would be a helluva lot worse! Comment by m12 — July 26, 2007 @ 1:06 pm</blockquote> So you say. Or maybe these drugs they are jamming down our throats are merely another way to separate money from the pockets of people who think they need them because of the constant drone of ads and the incentives doctors get to shill them? You have a LOT more faith in drug companies than I do. But that's really no surprise!

Instead of concentrating on lack of standards in wombs, you might try asking the poor about lack of standards in character and responsibility!

Comment by michael — July 26, 2007 @ 1:33 am

What the hell does this have to do with a bunch of low lifes wanting ME to pay for their health care insurance?

Comment by michael — July 26, 2007 @ 1:45 am

In other words, lets cut off the nose (poor children) to spite the face (those low-life parents.) This strategy is bound to work! Way to be part of the solution!

If drug companies didn’t exist, the health of the public would be a helluva lot worse!

Comment by m12 — July 26, 2007 @ 1:06 pm

So you say. Or maybe these drugs they are jamming down our throats are merely another way to separate money from the pockets of people who think they need them because of the constant drone of ads and the incentives doctors get to shill them? You have a LOT more faith in drug companies than I do. But that’s really no surprise!

]]> By: m12 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/casey-clinton-schip/comment-page-9/#comment-3964712 m12 Thu, 26 Jul 2007 22:27:21 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/casey-clinton-schip/#comment-3964712 It's their duty to grant patents and ensure they last for a sufficient duration. Section 8 - Powers of Congress To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries; It’s their duty to grant patents and ensure they last for a sufficient duration.

Section 8 – Powers of Congress
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

]]> By: swill http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/casey-clinton-schip/comment-page-9/#comment-3964454 swill Thu, 26 Jul 2007 21:09:01 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/casey-clinton-schip/#comment-3964454 It's Congress constitutional duty to extend patents? Since when? I thought you regressive s were all about competition. Granting patent extensions doesn't sound like competition to me. It’s Congress constitutional duty to extend patents?
Since when?
I thought you regressive s were all about competition.
Granting patent extensions doesn’t sound like competition to me.

]]> By: m12 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/casey-clinton-schip/comment-page-9/#comment-3963773 m12 Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:06:39 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/casey-clinton-schip/#comment-3963773 <i>What else do people like r12 want? How much more do they value a drug company’s profits over the health of the public?</i> Over the health of the public? If drug companies didn't exist, the health of the public would be a helluva lot worse! What else do people like r12 want? How much more do they value a drug company’s profits over the health of the public?

Over the health of the public? If drug companies didn’t exist, the health of the public would be a helluva lot worse!

]]> By: m12 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/casey-clinton-schip/comment-page-9/#comment-3963769 m12 Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:05:46 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/casey-clinton-schip/#comment-3963769 <i>How does it only end up being about 10 yrs? What about an extension, you ask? What’s the motivation behind patent extensions? It’s really quite simple. The pharmaceutical industry uses its formidable lobbying powers and deep pockets to convince Congress, on a drug by drug basis, to extend the patents on certain highly profitable prescription drugs. Just adding a few years-say, two to three-to a patent allows the manufacturer to continue to market the brand-name drug without any competition from a comparable generic equivalent. </i> Since when are extensions guaranteed, or unique to the pharmaceutical industry? The companies are just asking Congress to do its constitutional duty. How does it only end up being about 10 yrs? What about an extension, you ask?

What’s the motivation behind patent extensions? It’s really quite simple. The pharmaceutical industry uses its formidable lobbying powers and deep pockets to convince Congress, on a drug by drug basis, to extend the patents on certain highly profitable prescription drugs. Just adding a few years-say, two to three-to a patent allows the manufacturer to continue to market the brand-name drug without any competition from a comparable generic equivalent.

Since when are extensions guaranteed, or unique to the pharmaceutical industry?

The companies are just asking Congress to do its constitutional duty.

]]> By: m12 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/casey-clinton-schip/comment-page-9/#comment-3963759 m12 Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:03:35 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/casey-clinton-schip/#comment-3963759 <i>Last year the drug industry spent $1.8 billion on direct-to-consumer ads.That’s an increase of 41 percent over last year. Those with the best ads sell the most drugs. The ad budget for the antihistamine Claritin was higher than Coke and Diet Coke, combined. And the top 10 advertised drugs accounted for 22 percent of all retail drug spending. Yeah, marketing drugs like they were soft drinks is expensive, isn’t it? </i> Marketing in general is expensive. But I like your cherry picked figure, which don't include Sprite and Poweraid! Last year the drug industry spent $1.8 billion on direct-to-consumer ads.That’s an increase of 41 percent over last year. Those with the best ads sell the most drugs. The ad budget for the antihistamine Claritin was higher than Coke and Diet Coke, combined. And the top 10 advertised drugs accounted for 22 percent of all retail drug spending.

Yeah, marketing drugs like they were soft drinks is expensive, isn’t it?

Marketing in general is expensive. But I like your cherry picked figure, which don’t include Sprite and Poweraid!

]]> By: m12 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/casey-clinton-schip/comment-page-9/#comment-3963730 m12 Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:55:43 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/casey-clinton-schip/#comment-3963730 <i>66% of Americans are in favor of universal, government-run, single-payer healthcare for all. That means they are to the left of every presidential candidate except Kucinich.</i> How much in taxes do those 66% pay? 66% of Americans are in favor of universal, government-run, single-payer healthcare for all. That means they are to the left of every presidential candidate except Kucinich.

How much in taxes do those 66% pay?

]]> By: m12 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/casey-clinton-schip/comment-page-9/#comment-3963717 m12 Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:52:40 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/casey-clinton-schip/#comment-3963717 <i>All pharmaceutical and bio-tech companies are already hugely profitable. Not to mention the tax breaks the Bush administration has given them (if we were talking about the poor, twits like r12 would babble about “entitlements”, and “handouts”. But I digress). </i> How are they hugely profitable? Intel, for example, makes a similar level in profits! All pharmaceutical and bio-tech companies are already hugely profitable. Not to mention the tax breaks the Bush administration has given them (if we were talking about the poor, twits like r12 would babble about “entitlements”, and “handouts”. But I digress).

How are they hugely profitable? Intel, for example, makes a similar level in profits!

]]> By: m12 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/casey-clinton-schip/comment-page-9/#comment-3963706 m12 Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:50:36 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/casey-clinton-schip/#comment-3963706 <i>r12 seems to be completely unaware that the “overbearing” approval process is supposed to protect us the consumers from drugs that are untested, unsafe, or flat-out unfit for human consumption. Anybody who is faintly aware of the devastating effects that thalidomide had on unsuspecting pregnant women, should not think the FDA approval processes are “overbearing”. I prefer to call them thorough and comprehensive. </i> Oh, you mean a handful of drugs out of thousands didn't work perfectly? Let me know if you've had a mistake free life! Besides, by our laws, fetuses aren't people, anyway. Drug companies shouldn't even have to test anything for them. r12 seems to be completely unaware that the “overbearing” approval process is supposed to protect us the consumers from drugs that are untested, unsafe, or flat-out unfit for human consumption.

Anybody who is faintly aware of the devastating effects that thalidomide had on unsuspecting pregnant women, should not think the FDA approval processes are “overbearing”. I prefer to call them thorough and comprehensive.

Oh, you mean a handful of drugs out of thousands didn’t work perfectly? Let me know if you’ve had a mistake free life!

Besides, by our laws, fetuses aren’t people, anyway. Drug companies shouldn’t even have to test anything for them.

]]> By: m12 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/casey-clinton-schip/comment-page-9/#comment-3963700 m12 Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:48:49 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/casey-clinton-schip/#comment-3963700 <i>The Whitehouse Station, New Jersey-based Merck reported net income of $1.674 billion, up 11.8% from $1.499 billion and earnings rose 11.6% to $0.77 per share from $0.69 per share in the same quarter last year. Strong Product Sales Lift Merck Q2 Profit By 12%, Boosts FY07 EPS Target That is net income we are talking about, and just for Q2 this year. I find it very hard to feel sorry for them. </i> Who said anything about being sorry for them? They run a good business and deserve that money! The Whitehouse Station, New Jersey-based Merck reported net income of $1.674 billion, up 11.8% from $1.499 billion and earnings rose 11.6% to $0.77 per share from $0.69 per share in the same quarter last year.
Strong Product Sales Lift Merck Q2 Profit By 12%, Boosts FY07 EPS Target

That is net income we are talking about, and just for Q2 this year. I find it very hard to feel sorry for them.

Who said anything about being sorry for them? They run a good business and deserve that money!

]]> By: m12 http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/casey-clinton-schip/comment-page-9/#comment-3963682 m12 Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:46:44 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/casey-clinton-schip/#comment-3963682 <i>So it takes $800 billion to bring a drug to market? Or a billion? That’s quite a disparity… Bullshit. </i> I apologize, barfly. It's $800m to $1b. So it takes $800 billion to bring a drug to market?

Or a billion?

That’s quite a disparity…

Bullshit.

I apologize, barfly. It’s $800m to $1b.

]]> By: JIMBO http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/casey-clinton-schip/comment-page-9/#comment-3963633 JIMBO Thu, 26 Jul 2007 16:33:15 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/casey-clinton-schip/#comment-3963633 Let's face it. The Chimperor is willing to take health care away from children is because of one thing.....Invest in a useless war and put in some oil wells so he can get orgasmic over getting oil in Iraq, then he can get the kickbacks. WHY DOES GEORGE W. BUSH HATE CHILDREN? Let’s face it. The Chimperor is willing to take health care away from children is because of one thing…..Invest in a useless war and put in some oil wells so he can get orgasmic over getting oil in Iraq, then he can get the kickbacks.

WHY DOES GEORGE W. BUSH HATE CHILDREN?

]]> By: Earl http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/casey-clinton-schip/comment-page-9/#comment-3963332 Earl Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:13:51 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/casey-clinton-schip/#comment-3963332 <strong> former first Lady, Why is this shocking too you, at this point bush has mad it his trademark strategy too elude the American Value system by simply ignoring use, It works in a most devious way . Like defending a lie would would need too be explained. Its a strategy used by most adolescents. and they test every your every emotion for ways too be loved, A child will defend a lye for fear of punishment by acting as if nothing is wrong, even knowing there is they still do it. even if being punished for fear of shame. in this case bush is defending the Corporate Pharmaceutical Industry and Insurance Co. why, Because he knows he can get away with it. You say don't he fill shame. Not even close, he fills confident The well stated propaganda speech will put you at ease , I am sure a 5 year old will be devastated to see Bush get off the Hook and he gets crappy dental Care??</strong> former first Lady,
Why is this shocking too you, at this point bush has mad it his trademark strategy too elude the American Value system by simply ignoring use, It works in a most devious way .
Like defending a lie would would need too be explained.
Its a strategy used by most adolescents.
and they test every your every emotion for ways too be loved, A child will defend a lye for fear of punishment by acting as if nothing is wrong, even knowing there is they still do it.
even if being punished for fear of shame.
in this case bush is defending the Corporate Pharmaceutical Industry and Insurance Co.
why, Because he knows he can get away with it.
You say don’t he fill shame.
Not even close, he fills confident The well stated propaganda speech will put you at ease , I am sure a 5 year old will be devastated to see Bush get off the Hook and he gets crappy dental Care??

]]> By: Troll http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/casey-clinton-schip/comment-page-9/#comment-3963328 Troll Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:11:46 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/casey-clinton-schip/#comment-3963328 Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 26, 2007 @ 9:32 am What is the situation then Stupid? Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 26, 2007 @ 9:32 am

What is the situation then Stupid?

]]> By: The Republic of Stupidity http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/casey-clinton-schip/comment-page-9/#comment-3963284 The Republic of Stupidity Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:32:53 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/casey-clinton-schip/#comment-3963284 Alert, Alert! N.Y. Gov. Eliot Spitzer is being investigated for “misuse of state police to track a top GOP lawmaker” Another corrupt Democrat we won’t see a story about on this website! ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL Comment by Happy Guy Boy is that ever a complete distortion of the situtation. Alert, Alert! N.Y. Gov. Eliot Spitzer is being investigated for “misuse of state police to track a top GOP lawmaker”

Another corrupt Democrat we won’t see a story about on this website!

ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL

Comment by Happy Guy

Boy is that ever a complete distortion of the situtation.

]]> By: Master Shake http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/casey-clinton-schip/comment-page-9/#comment-3963274 Master Shake Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:26:46 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/casey-clinton-schip/#comment-3963274 "Alert, Alert! N.Y. Gov. Eliot Spitzer is being investigated for “misuse of state police to track a top GOP lawmaker” Another corrupt Democrat we won’t see a story about on this website! ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL" Hi, I'm from NY. This is the first I am hearing of this, but I garauntee that Spitzer is not only clean, but he will handle the situation with class. For those that do not know, this man is anti-corruption incarnate. He'd have a cop write his mother a jay walking ticket. “Alert, Alert! N.Y. Gov. Eliot Spitzer is being investigated for “misuse of state police to track a top GOP lawmaker”

Another corrupt Democrat we won’t see a story about on this website!

ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL”

Hi, I’m from NY. This is the first I am hearing of this, but I garauntee that Spitzer is not only clean, but he will handle the situation with class.

For those that do not know, this man is anti-corruption incarnate. He’d have a cop write his mother a jay walking ticket.

]]> By: Master Shake http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/casey-clinton-schip/comment-page-9/#comment-3963253 Master Shake Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:01:43 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/casey-clinton-schip/#comment-3963253 This is one case where I am with Republicans and the Tobacco lobby. I am a smoker, and honestly we are taxed enough. I pay $7 a pack in NYC a majority of which is state/federal/city taxes. Im not a rich man. Give us a break. If cigarettes are so goddamn awful, then ban them. This is one case where I am with Republicans and the Tobacco lobby. I am a smoker, and honestly we are taxed enough.

I pay $7 a pack in NYC a majority of which is state/federal/city taxes. Im not a rich man. Give us a break.

If cigarettes are so goddamn awful, then ban them.

]]> By: Happy Guy http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/casey-clinton-schip/comment-page-9/#comment-3963246 Happy Guy Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:38:38 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/casey-clinton-schip/#comment-3963246 Alert, Alert! N.Y. Gov. Eliot Spitzer is being investigated for “misuse of state police to track a top GOP lawmaker” Another corrupt Democrat we won’t see a story about on this website! ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL Alert, Alert! N.Y. Gov. Eliot Spitzer is being investigated for “misuse of state police to track a top GOP lawmaker”

Another corrupt Democrat we won’t see a story about on this website!

ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL

]]> By: Troll http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/casey-clinton-schip/comment-page-9/#comment-3963228 Troll Thu, 26 Jul 2007 11:44:54 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/casey-clinton-schip/#comment-3963228 Bush should veto this. Of course Amanda does not mention that there may be a ligit reason for the opposition to this legislation. The issue is one of states rights and responsibilities. If the people of a state think their children need this then they should provide it on the state level. That I could support. But to enlarge the federal Gov feeds and empowers big brother (and people like Gonzo or Sen Davis a democrat) and is a threat to individual liberty. Compassion begins at home, have the states provide the care for its own children. Bush should veto this. Of course Amanda does not mention that there may be a ligit reason for the opposition to this legislation. The issue is one of states rights and responsibilities. If the people of a state think their children need this then they should provide it on the state level. That I could support. But to enlarge the federal Gov feeds and empowers big brother (and people like Gonzo or Sen Davis a democrat) and is a threat to individual liberty.

Compassion begins at home, have the states provide the care for its own children.

]]> By: The Republic of Stupidity http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/casey-clinton-schip/comment-page-9/#comment-3963134 The Republic of Stupidity Thu, 26 Jul 2007 06:25:32 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/casey-clinton-schip/#comment-3963134 hen down to 4.7% and tells us what a terrific job he has done. Comment by Keith G And it's hard to know anymore how meaningful those numbers are anymore, w/ the way Bushco cooks everything to their own benefit. hen down to 4.7% and tells us what a terrific job he has done.

Comment by Keith G

And it’s hard to know anymore how meaningful those numbers are anymore, w/ the way Bushco cooks everything to their own benefit.

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