House bans permanent bases in Iraq.
By on Jul 25th, 2007 at 2:15 pm
House bans permanent bases in Iraq.
Today, the House passed a bill stating “it is the policy of the United States not to establish any military installation or base for the purpose of providing a permanent stationing of United States Armed Forces in Iraq.” Speaker Pelosi explained that “today’s vote can again make clear to the President, to the Administration, to the American people, to the people in the Middle East, to the people in Iraq — that the American people are opposed to a permanent military presence in Iraq.” Watch Pelosi’s floor speech:
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UPDATE: Read Rep. Barbara Lee’s statement here.
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Veto-licious
July 25th, 2007 at 2:17 pmLet’s get the meme started early for when this hits the Senate:
UPORDOWNVOTE!
July 25th, 2007 at 2:17 pmCool.
July 25th, 2007 at 2:17 pmWho voted against it?
July 25th, 2007 at 2:17 pmNo dumbass troll comments about the bases that are already there not counting. No. Bad troll. **whacking with newspaper**
July 25th, 2007 at 2:18 pmOut!
Also this:
“It also states that it is the policy of the United States not to exercise U.S. control of the oil resources of Iraq.”
July 25th, 2007 at 2:19 pmWell, we still have that big pool.
July 25th, 2007 at 2:19 pmHow about permanent military presence in Amerisrael (formerly known as Iraq)?
July 25th, 2007 at 2:19 pmHoly Crap. My Congresscritter actually went along with this vote. Here’s the roll call: 399 Yeah, 24 Nay.
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll717.xml
July 25th, 2007 at 2:21 pm“It also states that it is the policy of the United States not to exercise U.S. control of the oil resources of Iraq.â€
Comment by Egreggious
Thats a nice one. Maybe we forgot to read the last part:
as long as they sell it to us at the prices we want while oil corporations decide the price for US consumers.
July 25th, 2007 at 2:23 pmYeah, I was surprised by the vote total too. I thought it would be more party-line.
Wonder how Freepers/Cornerites/Redstaters feel about this. Anyone wanna go and find out? (I just took a shower this morning, and I don’t want to dry out my skin by having to shower again)
July 25th, 2007 at 2:24 pm#6. Bush and Cheney are OK with that. Halliburton is already pegged to control Iraq’s oil. Who needs the U.S.?
July 25th, 2007 at 2:24 pmMandate this, Mr. Bush.
So, can we not FUND the current semi-permanent military sites in Iraq?
July 25th, 2007 at 2:25 pmWell, that’s an easily veto proof vote.
July 25th, 2007 at 2:25 pmWhat say ye, Senate??
impeach pelosi for not doing her job
July 25th, 2007 at 2:25 pmOK, Nancy, good move. I like it.
But, if it passes and Bush negates it with a signing statement, THEN will you put impeachment back on the table???
It is illogical and immoral to bargain with those who will not bargain in good faith. You end up giving up good things and getting nothing in return.
July 25th, 2007 at 2:27 pmgood
July 25th, 2007 at 2:28 pmThis will be an interesting vote in the Senate — assuming it gets to a vote.
Who’s up for re-election, and has the balls to go against the will of the people?
July 25th, 2007 at 2:29 pmanother meaningless vote to distract the country from the FACT that liberals in congress refuse to cut the funds and end the war. the demosocialists have made it clear that it is the political victory they seek, not the end to the war.
July 25th, 2007 at 2:29 pmWho’s up for re-election, and has the balls to go against the will of the people?
Comment by Zehava
That’ll be what separates the men from the yes-men.
July 25th, 2007 at 2:30 pmSpeaker Pelosi explained that “today’s vote can again make clear to the President, to the Administration, to the American people, to the people in the Middle East, to the people in Iraq — that the American people are opposed to a permanent military presence in Iraq.â€
You can make it as clear to Chimpy as you like, Madam Speaker. I only hope that it is clear to you that, assuming this bill can clear the Senate (which is doubtful), Chimpy will either veto it, obviate it with a signing statement, or just sidestep it by claiming that the bases in Iraq are only temporary…extremely long-term, but temporary, just the same.
You have the power to stop this right now, Pelosi. There’s a pithy saying that “when all you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail”. In your case, the opposite is true. There is a nail that needs driving, and you have a hammer handy, but you insist on declaring that the hammer is “off the table”, while wasting time trying to drive the nail with anything from a screwdriver to a tape measure.
For God’s sake, Nancy, pick up the fscking hammer already…or at least stop standing on it long enough for someone else to pick it up.
July 25th, 2007 at 2:30 pmWhat foreign governments have permanent military bases in the United States?
July 25th, 2007 at 2:31 pmLitle to late imo ,those bases are almost finished……
July 25th, 2007 at 2:31 pm399 to 24 is whopping. It also gives the republican Senators the ability to vote for it. This can be made veto proof. It’s not for Bush to decide anyway. He’s leaving that up to future presidents. this should pass.
July 25th, 2007 at 2:32 pmVETO!
July 25th, 2007 at 2:33 pm“Permanent? These bases aren’t permanent! We’ll be out of there in a couple thousand years.”
July 25th, 2007 at 2:33 pmDo I smell Ann Coulter?
July 25th, 2007 at 2:33 pmThese bills mean nothing if the Chimp sidesteps it, excludes it with a signing statement, or ignores it completely. When will this bunch of idiots learn that the ONLY thing they CAN do to stop this monster is IMPEACHMENT? It all sounds wonderful but means absolsutely nothing.
Just like Pelosi is NOW saying that she went on record against the illegal spying program…well, hello??? Where the hell was her voice to the people on this?? Who pays her salary? Sworn to secrecy?? You’ve got to be kidding – to actually “buy into the sworn to secrecy bullshit” is aiding and abetting the overthrow of this democracy, Nancy.
How did these minds get so twisted? She needs to #hit or get off the pot now and let someone with more clout, less husband baggage, and one more intelligent than herself pick up the gavel and begin banging heads.
July 25th, 2007 at 2:37 pmWhat foreign governments have permanent military bases in the United States?
Comment by Egreggious
None. But when, in some 70 years, China and India put their first military base in US, people will say: why?
July 25th, 2007 at 2:37 pm399 to 24 is whopping.
You know, I’m not surprised that the 24 are republican….but I AM surprised that 24 people on the PLANET think that having permanent Military bases in Iraq is not something they would vote against.
July 25th, 2007 at 2:37 pm3 of the 24 are from Arizona, and are all three good Mormons. Solid bloc, vote the way you are told you simple shits
July 25th, 2007 at 2:38 pmOT : watch this :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4-TL5AGHFY
July 25th, 2007 at 2:38 pmTripmaster: Can you believe the idiocy of this woman? What the hell happened to allegiance to the people whom she is sworn by oath to represent?
July 25th, 2007 at 2:38 pmYou science-types always say the world is gonna last for billions more years, so our bases in Iraq are in no sense “permanent”. He-heh-heh.
July 25th, 2007 at 2:39 pm#
VETO!
Comment by michael — July 25, 2007 @ 2:33 pm
#
The vote was 399-24
July 25th, 2007 at 2:39 pmSure, it all sounds honkey-dorey to go on record against permanent bases but will this Cabal actually listen to anything coming from Congress? Highly unlikely.
A case could be easily made that they are “asking for impeachment” with everything they are doing.
July 25th, 2007 at 2:39 pmI thought we made it clear that we wanted impeachment as well, but nooooooo!!! Ain’t gonna happen.
July 25th, 2007 at 2:40 pm#
3 of the 24 are from Arizona, and are all three good Mormons. Solid bloc, vote the way you are told you simple shits
Comment by nanlichi — July 25, 2007 @ 2:38 pm
#
I also noticed Chis Cannon from Utah on that list.
July 25th, 2007 at 2:41 pmWhat does “permanent” mean to a bunch of whack-jobs that think Jeebus is going to ride down out of the clouds in the near future?
July 25th, 2007 at 2:42 pm#31 Hi Kay! Someone furnished this link earlier (Tripmaster, maybe?) Anyway, I’ve watched it twice and have sent to everyone I know. We knew that we’d at least heard or read about these identical tactics before and it was Adolph Hitler and the Third Reich!
Ace, you’re right on with your information, as usual!
The feed ends with Bachman beginning to make connection between Bush 41, 43 and 911 – and then ends just where the juicy details begin to connect all by themselves.
He sets the groundwork, of course, for the collusion with the BCCI, Carlyle Group, Mahfouz family, Bin Laden family, and the Reichstag Bush Family. Knew that Prescott was a card-carrying nazi but never knew that his wife’s father was also one for whom he is, appropriately, named “herbert walker”. What a gang of thugs – no wonder people have said that they make the mafioso look like a bunch of kids.
July 25th, 2007 at 2:43 pmGood vote, but I had to stop the video. I couldn’t get past the ineffective language that I hear the Dems repeating constantly when refering to Bush:
Pelosi said “He mischaracterized the facts in Iraq”. Dems must do better than this and they must start NOW.
How about – He is “lying about the facts in Iraq”, “deceptively hiding the truth”, or “Bush is dishonest”, “Bush’s fabricated reasons to invade Iraq are only surpassed by his demented reasons to stay.”
I don’t want to hear “mischaracterized” used ever again – call it what it is.
July 25th, 2007 at 2:44 pmThat’ll be what separates the men from the yes-men.
Comment by SGT Higgins — July 25, 2007 @ 2:30 pm
Well, at least they’re consenting adults.
July 25th, 2007 at 2:45 pmDon’t discount how Leo Strauss and Irving Kristol plays into all of this though. Ace has the relevant links to all of it…PNAC, AIPAC, how we sold WMD’s to Saddam during Pappy’s administration so he thought it would be a slamdunk to have WMD’s be the pretext for invasion of Iraq….little did he know that Saddam got one last shot at both him and his son. He’d destroyed what the US sold him as he said he’d had….ahahahah! Take one on the chin, Bush #41. We know that you still run this country like a puppetmaster through your vacuous son but it’s catching up to you now…..CIA Head during JFK Assasination??
July 25th, 2007 at 2:46 pm#41 I think the sooner that Madam Nancy begins calling a spade a spade, the sooner she may be able to keep her seat in Congress. Otherwise, she’s outta there when her term expires, too.
July 25th, 2007 at 2:47 pmRagingGurl
July 25th, 2007 at 2:47 pmPerhaps if they displayed my LyingBastardOMeter on the House floor and played a tape of any Bush speech.
They would watch the analog meter spinning frenzily out of control.
Of course they’d have to wear the appropriate protective gear.
My Rep voted NO.
No surprise. He’s an idiot — even members of his own party agree.
July 25th, 2007 at 2:47 pmWell, at least they’re consenting adults.
Comment by Zehava — July 25, 2007 @ 2:45 pm
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Is this satire too, Zo… Zehava? Or are you being facetious?
I just don’t understand the TP brand of humour.
July 25th, 2007 at 2:50 pmShe’ll be at YK – and so will I (gee, i never knew we were a nazis)
July 25th, 2007 at 2:50 pmand i plan to mention it to her, if her security lets us.
:-)
The White House responded to this bill today:
July 25th, 2007 at 2:50 pm“It is the policy of the WH to pay no attention to the House, the American people or anyone who is in disagreement. In the future the president would appreciate it if Speaker Pelosi would limit her passage of bills to things not associated with the government. Furthermore, please be advised that Fox News is now the “official” network of the government and its corporate offices have moved to the westwing.”
I think the sooner that Madam Nancy begins calling a spade a spade, the sooner she may be able to keep her seat in Congress. Otherwise, she’s outta there when her term expires, too.
Comment by veritas — July 25, 2007 @ 2:47 pm
No one in the Federal government ever calls another member of the Federal government a liar.
Could be that the hypocrisy would be too obvious.
July 25th, 2007 at 2:52 pmRUCerious – I suppose she shouldn’t let Gonzales near the LBoMâ„¢. It would disintegrate.
July 25th, 2007 at 2:56 pmOT : read this :
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20070724182855127
(HI, Veritas!)
July 25th, 2007 at 2:56 pmHoly Cow! The two local Bush brown-nosers, Feeney (my rep) and Weldon, actually voted for this. They must be running scared. Even my red county is turning against this war.
July 25th, 2007 at 2:58 pmNow, they need to follow that up by passing a law that says that no oil company doing business in the USA may profit from invading Iraq. In other words, we will no longer ask the Iraqi Parliament to pass the “reconciliation bill” that would give US and British oil companies 70% of Iraq’s oil profits for 30 years. We can’t speak for the British, but we can remove our country from the equation. I am willing to bet that if we were to do that, the Iraqis would stop shooting at us. I know that I would be shooting at a country that had invaded and was now occupying the USA and was trying to steal the one natural resource our country depended on for survival.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:02 pmYou have the power to stop this right now, Pelosi. There’s a pithy saying that “when all you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nailâ€. In your case, the opposite is true. There is a nail that needs driving, and you have a hammer handy, but you insist on declaring that the hammer is “off the tableâ€, while wasting time trying to drive the nail with anything from a screwdriver to a tape measure.
For God’s sake, Nancy, pick up the fscking hammer already…or at least stop standing on it long enough for someone else to pick it up.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 25, 2007 @ 2:30 pm
WORD, TRIPSTER…WORD!
July 25th, 2007 at 3:03 pmWhat is the definition of “permanent”? You fools do realize that our bases in Japan have always been considered temporary and someday will be given to the Japanese?
Here is how it works, how it worked in such places as Subic Bay: the Iraqis own the land, we own the buildings and stay there for as long as the Iraqis allow us. One day we give the buildings to the Iraqis as a gift and leave. ALL of our bases there would be considered temporary.
This is more pap from a bunch of dems trying to placate the hyperzealots who constitute their new base, it means nothing and the dem pols know it, now you do too.
Fools.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:04 pm“It also states that it is the policy of the United States not to exercise U.S. control of the oil resources of Iraq.â€
Not good enough. It should read:
“It also states that it is the policy of the United States or any Oil company doing business to exercise control of the oil resources of Iraq”.
They said “policy of the United States” and conveniently left out the oil companies.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:06 pmThis bill is posturing for the future. No bases could be started in the time Bush has left in office and there’s no reason for any Senators to oppose this knowing full well the whole discussion of Iraq will be up again in Sept.
The bill is symbolic to show the world (if not just the american people) that the US Govt. doesn’t want to stay in Iraq forever.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:06 pmComment by You Dumbass Liberal — July 25, 2007 @ 3:04 pm
You are ruining the fun for the oblivious Lefties.
Spoil sport.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:06 pmI know that I would be shooting at a country that had invaded and was now occupying the USA and was trying to steal the one natural resource our country depended on for survival.
Doubtful. First of all libs hate guns because guns are scary and bad. Second, you might marginalize and demean the invaders with your mean attacks and that wouldnt be very accepting and multicultural on your part.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:06 pm#51 ~ More like shatter into thousand of tiny deadly plastometallic shards!
July 25th, 2007 at 3:07 pmFools.
Comment by You Dumbass Liberal
Bill O’Reilly is looking for you on his site.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:07 pmThe leftolios actually believe this? You might want to read the bill before starting your interpretive victory dance.
We need to hold a march to celebrate this faux victory. Juan C., you will be grand marshal.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:09 pmSTOP RUINING THE FUN!!!!!!!!
YOU RIGHT-WING MEANIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WAAAAAHH!!! WAAAAHHH!!!!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 25th, 2007 at 3:10 pmThis just in, today the NYT referred to Al Queda as “Mr. Bin Ladens group”.
Mr. Bin Laden? BWWAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I love you libs, youre just so…so…so…pathetically obvious in everything you do.
Lets have a march!
July 25th, 2007 at 3:11 pm“another meaningless vote to distract the country from the FACT that liberals in congress refuse to cut the funds and end the war.”
So, genius, can you please tell me how the Democrats can cut the funds to end the war? There are still too many Republicans in Congress who are willing to lose their jobs by cow towing to the party line and then the Senate will either filibuster or Bush will veto.
So, please Mr. genius, how can the Democrats pull this off? Also, you are not fooling anyone. You are just another Republican troll who pretends to be a Democrat who is mad at Democrats. This seems to be a new approach to trolling.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:11 pmLets have a march!
Comment by LibTeenie — July 25, 2007 @ 3:11 pm
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How about a “Hug an Islamo-Fascist” march!!!
I’ll make a banner!!!
July 25th, 2007 at 3:13 pmThis vote was most excellent. Hey Mr. Bush, the natives are getting restless!
July 25th, 2007 at 3:13 pmDid the Iraqis ask for airbases? !!
July 25th, 2007 at 3:13 pmThe bill is symbolic to show the world (if not just the american people) that the US Govt. doesn’t want to stay in Iraq forever.
Comment by hellinabucket
Gotta give it to these Dems — they are the best when is comes to symbolic gestures.
What’s next — pulling an all-nighter to force a vote? Oh wait, that didn’t work either.
What a bunch of lightweights.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:14 pmComment by bilbobaggins — July 25, 2007 @ 3:11 pm
There was an ugly argument about defunding here last night.
My understanding is that the Dems don’t pass a defunding bill. They instead refuse to vote for an appropriations bill. That is how they defund.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:16 pmYes, you bring the banners and Ill bring the iced lattes. Today we take the country back from the fascists, whoever the hell they are, then we can head back to someones house to relax and play Xbox. Activism can be tiring, you know.
Now lets MARCH! Heyyyoooooooooooooo!
July 25th, 2007 at 3:16 pm#56- So why build the bases in the first place? And U.S. bases in Japan have been there for decades. Sounds pretty permanent to me. Subic Bay and Clark; we were kicked out. Clark was destroyed afterwards. The hospital was stripped to the last bedpan. I know, I watched it. What a waste of money for the U.S. Let’s not waste another damn dollar on Iraq. No one can truly predict the outcome of us leaving. But leave we will one day, and those bases will wind up stripped to the bone.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:18 pm#69. I believe the Iraqis asked for electricity more than 2 hours a day. They asked for the sewage treatment plants to work. They asked for jobs.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:18 pmTALK TO YOURSELF UNDER MULTIPLE IDENTIES MUCH?
Comment by ace — July 25, 2007 @ 2:57 pm
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No. I never have, as a matter of fact.
Comment by Thrasymachos — July 25, 2007 @ 3:03 pm
July 25th, 2007 at 3:19 pmSTOP RUINING THE FUN!!!!!!!!
YOU RIGHT-WING MEANIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WAAAAAHH!!! WAAAAHHH!!!!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Thrasymachos
christ, you are a child aren’t you? Mommy’s calling.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:19 pmWe build bases and the Iraq children look for anything of value in the trash dumps.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:20 pmHeyyyoooooooooooooo!
Comment by LibTeenie — July 25, 2007 @ 3:16 pm
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Careful… the libs will think we are the same person!
HEyOOOOOOooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But you’re right, I can’t wait to march! Did you know that the fascist US government was screening Iraqi refugees before allowing them to come to America!?!?!
That is appalling! We should let anyone from any Middle Eastern country come over (after all, we took the land from the Native Americans!). Down with Whitey!!!
LET’S MARCH!
July 25th, 2007 at 3:22 pmI actually disagree with this one. This is one issue where my party is to the left of me. I am active-duty military and I really wanted to sign the Petition for Redress. It was this “no permanent bases” and “leaving no soldiers in Iraq” language that steered me away from it.
As much as I am against how the war in Iraq began and the way it is being conducted, I have no problem with most of the ideas to transform our force projection from “Old Europe” to new bases. I have no problem with the strategic advantage a base in Iraq gives our military. I don’t mind Iraq being a location where I could be stationed some day. The same goes for Poland, Georgia, the Czech Republic or wherever this DoD transformation might send me. I was actually quite looking forward to Uzbekistan, but I guess that didn’t pan out.
But anyways… End the war. Bring the largest portion of our troops home as you possibly can. Stop the death of both our guys and innocent Iraqi civilians. But I think this one topic really does lend some credence to the Cons when they say we are trying to “micromanage”.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:24 pmMr. Bin Laden? BWWAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I love you libs, youre just so…so…so…pathetically obvious in everything you do.
Lets have a march!
Comment by LibTeenie
Heh. It is not like you fly their relatives away from the country after 9/11. Heh.
Stupid trolls.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:27 pm#53 Thanks, Kay! As you know, 911truth.org is one of my favorite sites for the facts. Everyone needs to read this article. I believe this is precisely why we had that diatribe about AQ yesterday by the Shrub. It’s all part of the plan leading up to this. If Pelosi et al fail to act, then they will be aiding and abetting this capricious group of criminals planning all of this.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:30 pmThis idiot is ignoring the FACT that 3,500 Iranians, you know the supposed bad guys, have been let into America in the past 3 months and 825 Iraqis, the ones who’s country we invaded to free them from the evil Saddam, have been let into the country for the past 4 years.
Idiot.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:31 pmBut anyways… End the war. Bring the largest portion of our troops home as you possibly can. Stop the death of both our guys and innocent Iraqi civilians. But I think this one topic really does lend some credence to the Cons when they say we are trying to “micromanageâ€.
Comment by incunabulum
We can never resolve unrest in the Middle East as long as we have military bases in an Arab country, especially an Arab country where we have specifically been asked to leave. It has nothing to do with micromanaging the military and everything to do with diplomacy in the region.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:48 pmRespect to the democrats
every now and then Pandoras box opens and give us all a little piece of Hope
Hope this is Veto proof at the Senate ,
July 25th, 2007 at 3:48 pmWow, another law Bush will ignore.
Send your complaints to;
Alberto Gonzales
c/o The US Justice Department
Washington, DC
Your outrage will be reviewed and ignored.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:50 pmPathetic.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:52 pm#85. Thanks for the laugh. The complaint may be ignored but your contact information will be put in at least one secret spying program.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:54 pmJeff Flakey and sweaty wrestler Hastert voted against it!
July 25th, 2007 at 3:57 pmThis idiot is ignoring the FACT that 3,500 Iranians, you know the supposed bad guys, have been let into America in the past 3 months and 825 Iraqis, the ones who’s country we invaded to free them from the evil Saddam, have been let into the country for the past 4 years.
Idiot.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — July 25, 2007 @ 3:31 pm
You made this statement as though you personally had verifiable proof.
You have none.
You have only what you’ve been told, and you consume it like kool-aid and regurgitate it verbatim.
You have virtually no idea where the truth lies.
Bin Laden does not exist.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:05 pmBut I think this one topic really does lend some credence to the Cons when they say we are trying to “micromanageâ€.
Comment by incunabulum — July 25, 2007 @ 3:24 pm
You might want to tune into the thread about Bush’s plans coming, not from the military (he fires those who don’t agree) but from the American Enterprise Institute, and the Project for a new American Century. The chickenhawk wing of your beloved party. The generals who disagree can kiss their a$$; then resign.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:06 pm#87 I am back to the same mental state I had in 1970 in Vietnam.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:08 pmWhat are you going to do? Shoot me?!?
Katy…thanks for the link. I have been hearing about this too, and it’s probably why Busy is seemingly so unconcerned at the edifice crubling around him. People should read this article, then decide for themselves whether or not to believe it. I do.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:15 pmand it’s probably why Busy is seemingly so unconcerned at the edifice
I meant to say Bush
July 25th, 2007 at 4:17 pm“the ONLY thing they CAN do to stop this monster is IMPEACHMENT?
Comment by veritas — July 25, 2007″
On what grounds?
July 25th, 2007 at 4:24 pmAnne Coulter?
July 25th, 2007 at 4:27 pmComment by ace — July 25, 2007 @ 4:05 pm
Not sure what you are talking about here ace. You do realize that I was replying to Thrasymachos bullsh!t post about being outraged over Iraqis not being allowed to come into the US. He was being sarcastic and I called him on it with facts.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:31 pmso stop spending money on permanent military bases then
July 25th, 2007 at 4:38 pmspudge:
my bad.
I assumed that was regarding a recent ploy by our government to imply that’s how many potential terrorists had been let into the US in order to set up the scenario to blame Iran for the pending Cheney false flag attack here in the US.
I don’t think it’s merely coincidental that the government is announcing high number of Iranians entering the US right now.
I don’t trust any of their numbers.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:43 pmI don’t trust any of their numbers.
Comment by ace — July 25, 2007 @ 4:43 pm
Or ‘facts’.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:48 pmThe trolls in here that are so gleeful about the prospect of colonizing Iraq should move there.
Dumb ass trolls.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:58 pmThe trolls in here that are so gleeful about the prospect of colonizing Iraq should move there.
Dumb ass trolls.
Comment by Jack — July 25, 2007 @ 4:58 pm
July 25th, 2007 at 5:01 pmIf they weren’t such cowards they would already be there. I’m looking at you Mr. in your Momma’s basement with ‘more important’ things to do with your life. You cannot even talk the talk; how you gonna walk the walk?
Pathetic.
Comment by Boudin Bob — July 25, 2007 @ 3:52 pm
Yes, you are ………..
July 25th, 2007 at 5:21 pmI disagree that we cant resolve unrest in the Middle East as long as we have bases there. Quite the opposite – under the right leadership, military bases can be a beacon and an example of real American values. Real ones – not these. Local populace can work there. They can see what Americans are really like as people. We can provide a host of outreach programs. Could someone eventually marry an American soldier? I dunno… Could be a while.
funky p – Did you read my post? What party did you think I was talking about? Also.. I was already posting in the thread about the AEI.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:24 pmI wonder how many Iraqi’s are in favor of permanent US Bases in their country.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:40 pmThis vote is probably meaningless in a practical sense….The Bush presidency is not Permanent, thankfully…and nothing else is either.
It does have Symbolic value…especially being as lopsided as it is.
Funny how it’s taken 5 YEARS to come out and actually say it. Lots of concrete has been poured in these 5 years.
And Balad airbase in Iraq is the second busiest Airport in the World…right behind Heathrow.
I wonder how many Iraqi’s are in favor of permanent US Bases in their country.
That polls been tabulated already….the answer is 8.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:45 pmNeither do I. I figured it was some kind of mix-up.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:50 pmCool. Now let’s hear what Hillary Albright has to say about it.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:02 pmThe percentage of post by NeoCon trolls in here has gotten really high. What’s happened?
Any guess by the non-trolls what has caused this sudden nasty troll infestation?
I’m guessing the trolls are poised to make BIG bucks off the construction of the permanent bases and U.S. control of the oil resources of Iraq.
What is your guess? (non-trolls ONLY!)
July 25th, 2007 at 6:20 pmOh HELL YES.
I had no idea this sort of legislation was in the works.
If you do anything this congress, Dems, do this.
You can’t take back the votes for the war and the votes for funding the surge, but you can begin to put things right by outlawing permanent occupation of Iraq.
If this thing becomes law, I’ll scream a big WAY TO GO.
Keep doing things like this, Democrats, and I might just stop hating you.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:39 pm#21 TMM
July 25th, 2007 at 7:08 pmI agree entirely.
I am extremely frustrated.
Bush&Co must be removed from office. They claim the votes aren’t there. Voters are clamoring for impeachment.
I hate that the congress is taking August off – but maybe they will hear more from their constituents and that will force the House to put impeachment back on the table.
I heard lame excuses from Steny Hoyer yesterday, taking up the Pelosi side of the debate.
Even if they don’t have the votes to pass it, couldn’t they at least present it and see what happens? The people would at least see that they are being heard.
So who’s going to protect Dick Cheney’s $100TT oil reserve investment? He didn’t plan this invasion/occupation – getting 100’s of thousands killed, spending $500BB, and destroying our international reputation, just to walk away from his oil. He’ll be hitting the scotch hard tonight, might even have to go quail slaughtering and shoot someone in the face, just to relieve the stress.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:19 pmKaty…thanks for the link. …
Comment by funky p — July 25, 2007 @ 4:15 pm
i’m pretty sure that you mean
http://www.911truth.org/ article.php?story=20070724182855127
July 25th, 2007 at 7:36 pmComment by Kay — July 25, 2007 @ 2:56 pm
“I disagree that we cant resolve unrest in the Middle East as long as we have bases there. Quite the opposite – under the right leadership, military bases can be a beacon and an example of real American values.”
Well, that window of opportunity is totally gone. We’ve spent $500 Billion dollars, destroying that country and we won’t see the Iraqi people accepting our presence in our country in my lifetime. Too bad, too. They were the most secular, progressive society in the mid-east. What if we had simply worked a deal to buy their oil reserves for that pricetag? We may have solidified our control of the oil while keeping the RW religious fundies from creating their dream of a pan-Islamic Caliphate. Probably could have made Saddam an offer he couldn’t refuse, as well….given that he was a defanged old tyrant with no real options to disagree.
But the Greedy Oil Party had other delusions. Why anyone would think Dick Cheney and George Bush knew what they were doing in this hostile takeover of Iraqi National Oil obviously never checked their business or military backgrounds.
So, we’re out a Trillion or so, have a broken army, and still have no coherent energy/security plan. Damn shame that cancer wasn’t known as Al Qaeda….we lose 600,000 Americans/year to that terrorist….
July 25th, 2007 at 7:45 pm“it is the policy of the United States not to establish any military installation or base for the purpose of providing a permanent stationing of United States Armed Forces in Iraq.â€
Even if this bill becomes a law, the Bush administration will call these bases “enduring”, “persistent”, or anything other than “permanent”.
Because it doesn’t matter what the House intents, approves, or states; the Bush administration is not known for following the rules or abiding the law; whether domestic or international.
At any rate, the Bush administration will simply keep moving the goal posts -as they have for the past four years- to continue the occupation of Iraq. Until someone finds a way to make this White House comply with the spirit of the law, any further legislation is toothless.
July 25th, 2007 at 9:19 pmWe’ll only stay till the the oil has been used. That’s not permanent..
July 25th, 2007 at 10:45 pmThe Dem Congress has stones…nice.
July 26th, 2007 at 3:08 amNo dumbass troll comments about the bases that are already there not counting. No. Bad troll. **whacking with newspaper**
Out!
Comment by RUCerious — July 25, 2007 @ 2:18 pm
That’s a creative way of acknowledging that you’re unable to criticise any blatant spin here, no matter how obvious it is.
“Don’t interrupt us while we’re pretending here!!”
July 26th, 2007 at 8:16 amDo training camps for torture count ?
July 26th, 2007 at 8:23 amThat one seems pretty permanent.
Google “soaw”
LMAO. Yeah what’s with this coincidence between posting blatant misleading spin and people showing up calling it blatant misleading spin.
Someone get a slide rule and some coffee in here… this puzzle is gonna be an all-nighter.
July 26th, 2007 at 8:27 amWell no they can’t take back the surge.
But apparently if they continue funding the surge, do nothing to decrease the troop levels already there and merely pass legislation to not to have an additional surge, you’ll “scream a big WAY TO GO.”
Kinda like you’ve just done for them doing the same thing in regard to prohibiting more permanent military bases that nobody is asking for anyway.
July 26th, 2007 at 8:32 amThat’s really stupid.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:33 amGermany and South Korea up next, then? Clearly it’s more of a strategic asset to have our guys in Germany than in Iraq. Makes sense. Germany is where the action is at.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:57 amIf we don’t set up a base in Iraq, where will we attack Iran from? The Iraq War is tired, an Iran War would be the new hotness.
July 26th, 2007 at 12:10 pmPresident Bush was not elected by the people of the U.S. of A.
July 26th, 2007 at 3:07 pmThe Bush Administration is corrupt, has profusely lied and broken
the Constitution of these Great United States. He should have been gone
7 yrs ago! WAKE UP PEOPLE. SAVE YOUR RIGHTS AS AN AMERICAN
before our country becomes Germany of World War 2!
This is the Nazi regeme over again. And these are the facts people!
Face the truth about your government and your leaders.
Nancy Pelosi and her husband hold huge interests in Starkist/Del Monte based in American Samoa. That’s why she has consistantly voted down any attempt to raise the minimum wage for that one particular island, where there are two industries, canning and tourism. We should be paying attention to our leaders own personal interests in places around the world!
July 26th, 2007 at 4:04 pm