Despite Congress’ Thrashing Of Gonzales, Snow Claims Nobody ‘Really Laid A Glove On Him’
Despite Congress’ Thrashing Of Gonzales, Snow Claims Nobody ‘Really Laid A Glove On Him’
During the White press briefing today, a reporter asked press secretary Tony Snow whether Alberto Gonzales had lost his “credibility” due to his apparently misleading testimony to Congress. Snow said he hadn’t, claiming “nobody’s really laid a glove” on the Attorney General yet:
QUESTION: But has it reached the point for the attorney general to — he’s lost his effectiveness and his credibility?
SNOW: Well, you know, what’s interesting is that there have been all these hearings on the attorney general and yet nobody’s really laid a glove on him. [...] At this point, we have hundreds of hearings that have produced bupkis.
Snow is dead wrong. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales’ multiple appearances before Congress have left his reputation in tatters. Sen. Patrick Leahy said, “I don’t trust you.” Sen. Arlen Specter said, “I do not find your testimony credible.” The Washington Post writes, “At what point does someone lose so much credibility that he should no longer serve in public office?”
In particular, the contradictions in Gonzales statements regarding the administration’s warrantless wiretapping program has members of the Senate Judiciary Committee considering an inquiry into whether he has perjured himself. In attempting to “clarify” his previous misstatments, Gonzales only appears to have lied again to Congress.
In fact, contrary to Snow’s claim that Congress never “laid a glove” on Gonzales, lawmakers yesterday leveled one blow after another to the Attorney General’s already-bruised credibility. Watch a compilation of some of the most vigorous exchanges:
Transcript:
SEN. PATRICK LEAHY (D-VT): This supposed self-examination, with no involvement by the courts, no reports to Congress, no other outside check, essentially translates to trust us.Well, with a history of civil liberty abuses and cover-ups, this administration has squandered our trust. I am not willing to accept a simple statement of trust us. I don’t trust you.
[...]
SEN. ARLEN SPECTER (R-PA): if you won’t answer that question, my suggestion to you, Attorney General Gonzales, is that you review this transcript very, very carefully. I do not find your testimony credible, candidly.
When I look at the issue of credibility, it is my judgment that when Mr. Comey was testifying he was talking about the terrorist surveillance program and that inference arises in a number of ways, principally because it was such an important matter that led you and the chief of staff to Ashcroft’s hospital room.
When you say that you were going to get Ashcroft’s approval on another intelligence matter, it’s strains credulity that it would be other than the foremost program to go to his hospital room when he’s under sedation. And when you testified here this morning earlier that you were looking to see if Attorney General Ashcroft had sufficient capacity to answer the question as to the — as to his giving his approval, the man was under sedation.
It just — all the attendant circumstances make it appear, lead to the inference that we’re dealing with the terrorist surveillance program.
So my suggestion to you is that you review your testimony very carefully. The chairman’s already said that the committee’s going to review your testimony very carefully to see if your credibility has been breached to the point of being actionable.
[...]
SEN. SHELDON WHITEHOUSE (D-RI): And yet here, where there is something that you could do about it, since our past discussion, nothing has been done, the memo that has your signature makes it worse, and we’ve agreed that this connection between the White House and the Department of Justice is the most dangerous one from a point of view of the potential for the infiltration of political influence into the department.
How, in the light of all those facts, can I give you any credibility for being serious about the promises you’ve made that you intend to clean up the mess you’ve made?
[...]
SEN. CHARLES SCHUMER (D-NY): in all due respect, you’re just saying, Well, it was clarified with the reporter, and you don’t even know what he said. You don’t even know what the clarification is.
Sir, how can you say that you should stay on as attorney general when we go through exercise like this, where you’re bobbing and weaving and ducking to avoid admitting that you deceived the committee? And now you don’t even know.
I’ll give you another chance: You’re hanging your hat on the fact that you clarified the statement two days later. You’re now telling us that is was a spokesperson who did it. What did that spokesperson say?
Tell me now, how do you clarify this?
GONZALES: I don’t know, but I’ll find out and get back to you.
SCHUMER: How do you clarify this? This is serious, because it looks like you’ve deceived us.
GONZALES: Well…
LEAHY: In your own words, how would you clarify it?
SCHUMER: How would you clarify it? You don’t need to — if you, sir…
GONZALES: What I would — what I would say — let me answer the question.
SCHUMER: If you want to be attorney general, you should be able to clarify it yourself, right now, and not leave it to a spokesperson who you don’t know what he said.
Tell me how you clarify it.
GONZALES: Mr. Comey’s testimony about the hospital visit was about other intelligence activities — disagreement over other intelligence activities. That’s how we’d clarify it.
SCHUMER: That is not what Mr. Comey says. That is not what the people in the room say.
[...]Who sent you to the hospital?
GONZALES: Senator, what I can say is we’d had a very important meeting at the White House over one of the most…
SCHUMER: I didn’t ask that. I didn’t ask…
GONZALES: Well…
SCHUMER: You’ve discussed the meeting…
GONZALES: I’m answering your question, Senator…
SCHUMER: Who sent you?
GONZALES: … if I could.
SCHUMER: Did anyone tell you to go?
GONZALES: It was one of the most important programs for the United States. It was important — had been authorized by the president.
I’ll just say that the chief of staff to the president of the United States and the counsel to the president of the United States went to the hospital on behalf of the president of the United States.
SCHUMER: Did the president ask you to go?
GONZALES: We were there on behalf of the president of the United States.
SCHUMER: I didn’t ask you that.
GONZALES: I understand…
SCHUMER: Did the president ask you to go?
GONZALES: Senator, we were there on behalf of the president of the United States.
SCHUMER: Why can’t you answer that question?
GONZALES: That’s the answer that I can give you, Senator.
SCHUMER: Well, can you explain to me why you can’t answer it directly?
GONZALES: Senator, again, we were there on an important program for this president, on behalf of the president of the United States.
SCHUMER: Did you talk to the president about it beforehand?
GONZALES: Senator, obviously, there were a lot of discussions that happened during that period of time. This involved one of the president’s premier programs…
SCHUMER: I understand. But, sir, you’re before this committee. You are before this committee. You’re supposed to answer questions. You’ve not claimed any privilege. I don’t think there is any here. And I asked you a question. And you refuse to answer it.
GONZALES: Senator, if…
SCHUMER: Why?
GONZALES: I’ll go back — if I can answer the question, I will answer the question…
SCHUMER: I know. But could you tell me why you can’t answer this question?
GONZALES: Senator, because, again, this relates to activities that existed when I was in the White House. And because of that, with respect to your specific questions, I will go back and see whether or not I can answer the question.
[...]
SEN. RUSS FEINGOLD (D-WI): hen again last year you came to this committee and told us that there had not been any serious disagreement about the warrantless wiretapping program the president confirmed in late 2005, a statement I believe was misleading at best.
In every case you somehow managed to come up with some convoluted theory for why your statement was technically accurate. When you look at all these incidents together, it’s hard to see anything but a pattern of intentionally misleading Congress again and again.
Shouldn’t the attorney general of the United States meet a higher standard?
GONZALES: The attorney general of the United States should try to meet the highest standard. And I have tried to meet that standard, Senator.
FEINGOLD: Do you feel you’ve met that standard?
GONZALES: Obviously, there have been instances where I have not met that standard.
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Reputation in tatters.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:45 pmThat's because Snow is living in the BizarroCon dimension.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:46 pmI second that Egreggious
RIP
July 25th, 2007 at 6:46 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
Snow will be quoted in the librul media. The Senators and Gonzo will not.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:47 pmHey, ToF, great to hear from you again.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:47 pmThat's why Snow has this job - he's a smooth and practiced liar, apologist and dissembler of facts, truth and otherwise obvious evidence.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:48 pmSchumer is an idiot. The only undisputable fact to come out of that hearing.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:49 pmHi Egg: I guess reputation means nothing to these charlatans. His is tanked and I believe that either he's perjured himself as the "8" weigh in on knowing nothing of any other spy programs.....OR....he's just outed his boss. Uh-oh! The fur's a flyin now and Gonzo's such a moron that he's opened an even larger can of worms - one which will consume his boss and his boss' entire administration....
"and away go bubbles down the drain....GonzoTooter"!
July 25th, 2007 at 6:49 pmLaughable leftist desperation.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:50 pmThx
I just been waiting my time out before venturing back into the Lions Den that is called TP.
RIP
July 25th, 2007 at 6:50 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
Hi Marie!
July 25th, 2007 at 6:50 pmEven an accomplished and pathological liar like Snowflake is having difficulty doing anything other than being backed into a self-restraining corner. I'd say he's got a few months more before either his health concerns or the job becomes impossible to do and look at himself in the mirror.
Bush's nazi/fascist spinmeister can't even make the point any longer - Gonzo has "touched himself" on this one and he's not going to be able to wiggle himself out of his self-created noose without at least a perjury charge.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:51 pmVeritas,
Now you know vampires can't look into mirrors
RIP
July 25th, 2007 at 6:52 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
Both Snow and Gonzo are lying f*cks. Just like their boss and his pitiful supporters.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:53 pmGood to see you again, Tired of Fighting. Welcome back.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:53 pmToo bad Tony Snow isn't on the hot seat for all of his lying and spinning.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:54 pmBush’s nazi/fascist spinmeister can’t even make the point any longer - Gonzo has “touched himself†on this one and he’s not going to be able to wiggle himself out of his self-created noose without at least a perjury charge.
Comment by veritas — July 25, 2007 @ 6:51 pm
Do you not mean “torched himselfâ€
July 25th, 2007 at 6:55 pmTony Snow is DC's version of "Baghdad Bob".
July 25th, 2007 at 6:55 pmDidn't get a glove laid on him? Like Rocky I, or II, or III or LXV?
July 25th, 2007 at 6:55 pm11, veritas,
July 25th, 2007 at 6:56 pmHave you noticed, as I have, that Snow is looking more tired by the week? I don't know whether to blame it on his cancer treatment or if it's the life of lies he leads .
TOF, that line of not seeing himself in the mirror is a good one.
Anyone recognize this troll?
db:
I have no king but Jesus.
Posted by: Jake D.
Date: July 25, 2007 6:31 PM
Even funnier:
No skin off my nose, but I'm not a paid shill for the RNC. I'm actually registered Independent.
...troll noise...
I didn't watch Fox News once yesterday. So much for that theory.
Posted by: Jake D.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:56 pmDate: July 13, 2007 8:55 AM
Wha??? What "other" ??? spy programs was I going to discuss with the guy who I didn't know if he was sick, or not still in charge, or what???
July 25th, 2007 at 6:56 pmpreviously tony snow said of the attorney firings, "don't be laying this at the president's door." now it's clear that the only thing keeping congressional dems from busting through that door is the continued obstruction and outright lying of abu gonzales.
this goes right to the white house and is only one fraction of the complete roverhaul that's been done to place ideologues in every department to cause damage for years to come.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:57 pmFaith based logic.
Imagine being that much an America hater that you would watch Gonzales' conduct and find it worthy of defense.
Is it any wonder 65% of America dissaproves of Tony Snow's boss? Is it any wonder Bush is at 26% in the polls?
-GSD
July 25th, 2007 at 6:57 pm#15
It's good to be back, refreshed, revitalized, and real tired of today's idoits.
RIP
July 25th, 2007 at 6:58 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
"Nobody's laid a glove on him"???
I guess it's tough to lay a glove on someone when they're all covered up and huddled in the fetal position. But hell, even that tactic didn't work, as several senators tagged Abu G with body blows and shots to the head.
Gonzo is so dazed he doesn't know whether he can't answer questions because of "executive privilege" or because he forgot what lie he told last time. But he does know he can't answer them. And they're good questions -- don't get him wrong. He just can't answer them.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:58 pmAt Gonzales next hearing, expect to hear:
Clinton made me do it!
July 25th, 2007 at 6:59 pmI'm guessing most people who only rely on the MSM for their "news" don't even know these hearings have taken place.
Sad.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:00 pmThe White House is so deep in the bunker that unless they are hauled away in cuffs they see it as sucess.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:00 pmAs much as I'd like to agree with all you folks who think that Tony the Liar is full of it, the troll at #7 used all bold letters, so he must be right...
July 25th, 2007 at 7:00 pmEqually damaging in yesterday's testimony was Abu admitting his signature is on a memo giving Darth Cheney's office full access to ongoing DOJ investigations like, oh say, Scooter Libby!
Then when cornered on it he admits that's a troubling document??!!
No shit, Sherlock.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:01 pmIs it any wonder 65% of America dissaproves of Tony Snow’s boss? Is it any wonder Bush is at 26% in the polls?
Comment by GSD — July 25, 2007 @ 6:57 pm
It is a wonder to me that Bush fares as well as he does.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:02 pmLaughable leftist desperation.
Comment by Frank J
Maybe you on the right are not capable of smelling a liar who is lying straight to your face... but reasonable adults can... republican and democrat... This whole past administration has been an Enron style sleeze fest.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:03 pmCrooks and Liars has some additional footage of jaw-dropping "I can't believe this is happening" Gonzo testimony (being questioned by Diane Feinstein [sp?]).
July 25th, 2007 at 7:06 pmAs much as I’d like to agree with all you folks who think that Tony the Liar is full of it, the troll at #7 used all bold letters, so he must be right…
Comment by Bobwurst — July 25, 2007 @ 7:00 pm
That's a good point, bobwurst. I think we all owe Tony Snow an apology.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:07 pmSorry, Tony.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:09 pmAt least as far as history is concerned, as Bushole likes to cite these days, Gonzales will go down in history as a shameless, inept, dishonest charlatan who placed loyalty to Bush before duty to his country.
-GSD
July 25th, 2007 at 7:09 pmI've said it a million times, but I'll say it again: George W. Bush and the senior members of his administration have no respect for the Constitution, and they have no respect for the rule of law. They will continue to show nothing but contempt for any attempts by Congress to exercise its oversight powers. Bush broke the law with this illegal wiretapping program (and continues to break it), and the only way to hold him accountable is to impeach him.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:11 pmTROLLS DON'T DIE, THEY MULTIPLY!!!
- The TROLL ®
July 25th, 2007 at 7:12 pmNobody laid a glove on him because, like any hockey player knows, you take the gloves off when you really want to see teeth on the ice. So maybe Snow's right and not a lying f*ck like I thought.
Still think so though.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:12 pmWe all know that Gonzo is a waste of space, and the Bush gang are worthless. But what is ever going to be done about it? Hearing after hearing, Democrats rant and rave about catching another bushie in a lie. So what are they doing about it?
It's pretty obvious at this point that the Democrats plan is to put on a big show of how bad the Bush Admin. is for the next 12 months in hoping that it will convince voters next fall to go Democrat. But I don't believe for a second that anyone in the Bush Admin. is going to be let go or better yet impeached. The Democrat leaders have already ruled out pretty much any punishment for anyone in the Admin.
It sucks that there are only 2 viable parties to choose from come election time. At this point I am not very happy with either of them.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:13 pmIf Tony thinks that AGAG escaped without a scratch yesterday when Leahy and Specter et al publicly called him a liar, implied possible perjury action and stated they had lost faith in his ability to do his job, I hate to think what would constitute a solid body blow? Was Hiatt's op-ed also swing and a miss? Would Pat Leahy actually have to vault over the table and clock him with his own mike for being a lying disgrace for Tony to admit contact?
July 25th, 2007 at 7:13 pmSnowjob is continues to make Baghdad Bob sound like Honest Abe - I think the radiation has effected his thought processes - so MANY gloves hit that lying bag of shit that Chertoff had gut pains and called security level Brown . . .
When he "retires" mabe Snowjob can get a job on late night TV hawkin' green prayer cloths . . . or join the George Bush Thunk Bucket and give speeches to non English speaking Saudis . . .
July 25th, 2007 at 7:13 pmI think Mr. Snow is just another considerable player in the dumbing down of the Press. He is a participant in a precedent being set to excuse the behavior of anyone in government to the level of thug, and nare-do-well. His is truly just a stooge and deserves nothing more than to be ridiculed and laughed at. So please join me in just chuckling and saying, like Bugs Bunny, Tony Snow, what a maroon.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:13 pmExcuse me Berto. Is that a smoking gun in your mouth?
July 25th, 2007 at 7:14 pmwell, THIS snowjob quote is quite astounding also:
"As you probably know, the House Judiciary Committee has just voted along partisan lines to have a criminal contempt of Congress referral against White House legal counsel and the White House Chief of Staff. For our view, this is pathetic. What you have right now is partisanship on Capitol Hill that quite often boils down to insults, insinuations, inquisitions and investigations rather than pursuing the normal business of blahblahblah..."
prick.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:17 pm.
Laughable leftist desperation.
Comment by Frank J — July 25, 2007 @ 6:50 pm
Oh boy - are you deluded.
The rethugs are laughing at this in the same wa a boxer - having been hit hard and squarely in the chin - smiles at his opponent. The smile belies their knowlwdge they will soon be taking a long nap on the canvas. It's the false bravado of desparation.
Repubs had better get their knee pads ready - they're going down.
I love it!
July 25th, 2007 at 7:18 pmPerhaps Tony Snow was looking at the wrong taping of Gonzales testimony... Couldn't have been the same video that I saw.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:18 pmTwice in two days I find myself agreeing with the enemy. You're right on this one Snow, congress hasn't done bupkis to Fredo. Damage to his reputation!? And that is going to hurt him how exactly?
July 25th, 2007 at 7:19 pmdoes tony take an oath to uphold the CONSTITUTION?
guess not...
July 25th, 2007 at 7:19 pmNot a glove, I tell you, they didn't even ruffle his feathers.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:20 pmWhy that Gonzales is doing a heck of a job.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:20 pmBush/Cheney/Rove/Snowjob team in bunker mentality and denying reality that invariably is going to hit these deluded loons like a ton of bricks.... I love it !
July 25th, 2007 at 7:22 pmIt used to be hard to fathom that there were/are people out there that just couldn't see what was going on right in front of their face, right under their noses. That what WE as a country used to hold so dear to us, what made US stand far from the rest was being SH$$ on right in front of us, I'm talking about the rule of law, the Constitution, decency, morality, right versus wrong, you know values.
Sure this country has not alway's been there and we still have a way to go, but we alway's knew what was right and what wasn't. But then, something happened.
Along came a group of people, (we'll call them Repuppetcans) and they started telling us that up was down, black was white, is isn't is if you dont know what the definition of is is. The media became objective instead of truthful and all hell broke loose.
We became monsters, all of a sudden we could do what we want, we could torture, lie, steal, lie. We could blame others for our mistakes and lie. We did things to people that we used to abhor and lied.
And truths became lies.
And it was all Bill Clinton's fault.
So here came a man that said he was gonna be a uniter. He said that he was gonna change the culture of Washington. He said that his administration was going to be the most transparent ever. And that his people would always be held accountable as would he.
And you know what?
He lied
And those who support him know that he did, and the fact that you wont man/woman up and say so say's alot about where WE are as a country.
If your gonna blast your adversary when he/she does something wrong, stand up and do the same when it's your friend.
Its just as simple as that.
RIP
SGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
A comma to some, but a Soldier, Friend, Comrade, and Brother to all who knew him.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:23 pmHow's the moral at the Dept. of Justice holding up, Fredo?
July 25th, 2007 at 7:23 pmMORALE, that is.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:24 pmSnowJob's right.
Nobody laid a glove on Gonzo.
They gutted him from head to toe but no one wanted to touch him . . . he's radioactive.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:25 pmUS Rep becomes #15 to IMPEACH.
TWO MORE TO GO, and Conyers says he WILL begin impeachment...
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/25094
July 25th, 2007 at 7:25 pmBush/Cheney/Rove/Snowjob team in bunker mentality and denying reality that invariably is going to hit these deluded loons like a ton of bricks…. I love it !
Comment by km4 — July 25, 2007 @ 7:22 pm
Tell me something here. I'm assuming we're on the same side, as an example I'd be for the impeachment of Bush, Cheney and Fredo.
Now that we have that out of the way, what reality are you referring to? To my mind, Snow is dead on the money on this topic. Fredo has been to congress three times, and each time he comes away unscathed. Unless embarrassment is what we're after here. But we're no closer to removing any of these three are we?
July 25th, 2007 at 7:26 pmHonesty is no longer needed in the Republican party. Tony Snow will say anything he's told to say to keep his medical insurance. Tony looks so bad even make up isn't helping. Gonzo has now proven himself a lair who really could care less who knows. It's good to see liars protecting other liars. American see no problem with an Attorney General who completely messed up the Department of Justice and continuously lies under oath. Now all these people in jail for lying should ask to be released as lying is now legal. Libby should have only been charged with Obstruction of Justice as lying is not a crime in the United States. Even the President and Vice President lie all the time and Americans love it.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:26 pmThey're short on both, helenahandbasket.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:27 pmGonzo is like the Black Knight in Monty Python's Quest for the Holy Grail. Ha, ha, ha.
http://www.mwscomp.com/movies/grail/grail-04.htm
July 25th, 2007 at 7:27 pmNot a glove, I tell you, they didn’t even ruffle his feathers.
Comment by Minister of Propaganda — July 25, 2007 @ 7:20 pm
Feathers? Like on a chicken? Snow's neck is on the chopping block - but his feathers are fine. It's crispy skin and flavorful meat we're after.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:27 pmAll this is so disgusting...unbearable to listen to...
You would think with Snow's limited time, he would begin to go down the good and moral road and stop supporting the criminals.
Can't go to the light until the life review is done.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:28 pmComment by Namtillaku — July 25, 2007 @ 7:19 pm
Good point. Not much damage could be done to Abu G's reputation at this point.
I mean, isn't that the point of running junkers in the demolition derby?
July 25th, 2007 at 7:28 pm63: He's already made his deal with the devil.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:30 pmI'm glad something is finally being done about Gonzales in a attempt to hold him accountable for his actions. The Iraq War bespeaks a lot about Bush’s personal shortcomings and his administration’s horrible policy choices. To date, the war has cost over $340 billion dollars—money which could have been spent much more wisely and with better end results. It is estimated, for example, that the expenditure of a mere $19 billion would eliminate starvation and malnutrition worldwide. In a time when the current defense budget is $522 billion, the goal of eradicating world hunger is clearly well within reach. Thus, it is clear that the occupation of Iraq needs to end, and it needs to end now without regard to what this will do to United States interest in Iraq’s oil. There are simply much more important issues that need to be addressed, and by avoiding these issues and adhering to his doomed quest for victory, Bush and Gonzales will only continue to fall in popularity polls.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:31 pmUntil they appoint a special prosecutor, it's all just TV.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:31 pm"At this point, we have hundreds of hearings that have produced bupkis."
They don't have "bupkis" because everyone who has worked for Bush either loses their memory or they just come right out and lie.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:32 pmHonesty is no longer needed in the Republican party.
Comment by Jackie — July 25, 2007 @ 7:26 pm
Jackie, I'm not sure that it's accurate to say that honesty is no longer needed in the Republican Party.
I think it's more correct to say that it doesn't really work for them anymore. It's not really what they're "into".
July 25th, 2007 at 7:32 pmLet's start a pool on when TS will actually have a Come to Jesus moment and recant his support for his evil cronies - just like Lee Atwater did. I say it's the same day he finds out he's terminal. Might be morbid and mean (I don't extend sympathy or social graces to bullies or their supporters), but I'm willing to bet that's what happens.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:32 pmJessica: I agree, however bushco doesn't care. Republics should be alarmed that bushco is about to drag them down to their worst defeat since 1974.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:33 pmNo boundary arrogance. I never want to hear a fukc!ng conservative EVER talk about elitism. These people think the laws do not apply to them. Disgraceful.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:33 pm#7 JT - It makes your statements ever so much more important when you bold them. Did you learn that in kindergarten?
July 25th, 2007 at 7:33 pmUntil they appoint a special prosecutor, it’s all just TV.
Comment by Namtillaku — July 25, 2007 @ 7:31 pm
And the sad part is, it's not even on TV.
And if it's not on TV, it didn't happen.
And, in that sense, Snow may have been right in his assessment.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:34 pmNamtillaku denying reality of The US Constitution and Constitutional Law
Even though Bush/Cheney think it's toilet paper if they continue to buck it with their elitist unitary executive bullshit these criminals will get their deserved comeuppance and get impeached.
Look at their poll numbers and see who the majority of America supports.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:35 pmUntil they appoint a special prosecutor, it’s all just TV.
Comment by Namtillaku — July 25, 2007 @ 7:31 pm
Someone should remind the BA that there will be penalties to be paid for their recalcitrance - the greater the latter, the greater the former.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:37 pmDo any of us really think that Gonzales gives a shit about what's happening to him right now?? Bush, Cheney, Rove, Gonzales and anyone under them have an agenda, it's political. And typical of these so called republicans, when caught redhanded will deny it outright until you believe them. The kaos that's been going on for these past 6 years is part of their plan as to divert us from what they're really up to. Let's stop scratching our heads on this wondering why. The answer is right in front of us, we should be out in the streets rebelling for the assf@#king that we've been getting from these people.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:38 pmWhat a f'in mess!!!
Frank - I have a question for you. Would you really want a Democratic President to have all the powers that Bush has awarded himself? Would you really want a Democratic President who had done something wrong to be able to thumb their nose in the face of Congress and claim total "executive privilege".
Now, Frank, show how much of a man you are. Give us an honest answer to these two questions.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:39 pmI say it’s the same day he finds out he’s terminal.
Comment by Minister of Fact — July 25, 2007
Hate to agree but you may be right, or worse........wrong.
RIP
July 25th, 2007 at 7:40 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
Bob Loblaw: You are so right, but "kaos" is from "Get Smart". "Chaos" is from Webster's.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:41 pm"just like Lee Atwater did. I say it’s the same day he finds out he’s terminal. "
He has already found that out. And it doesn't seem to matter to him. I guess he realize that he confirmed his trip to hell a long time ago so what the heck, he'll go down as a loyal soldier.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:42 pmFor all you knuckle dragging, bottom feeding, trolls of the 26%...65% who reject the thugs of the crime family is a majority...26% made up of fools like you is a slim minority. Go to school.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:42 pm82: Actually, 26 % is an embarrassment.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:43 pmImagine President Hillary and Bill using exective authority and signing statements to go through the Bush records and releasing all of the most damaging information.....drip, by drip, by drip.
Priceless.
-GSD
July 25th, 2007 at 7:44 pmTangentially related, I post this in hopes that someone/anyone who will be able to attend any of the Democratic Prez open forum "debates" to ask any/all of the following questions dealing with government secrecy, illegality, and lack of ethics:
Do you believe that it is legitimate use of the classification system to hide illegal or unethical activities by the government? Do you believe it is appropriate use of the classification system to hide embarrassing actions by the government? Will you pledge, right now, to the American people to run the most open and non-secretive Administration in modern American history? Would you be supportive of a blanket, moving window of declassification that declassifies ALL government documents and activities that are 20 years old or older? Would you be supportive of legislation strictly limiting what can be classified and for how long - limiting classification to current intelligence methods and sources as well as military operations and capabilities? Would you support a federal Open Meetings law similar to that enjoyed by many states that prevents the People's government from holding secret meetings involving matters of public policy? If these laws are good enough for the states, do you not agree that a similar law is good enough for the PEOPLE'S federal government too? Would you support legislation strictly outlining what can and cannot be claimed under the rubric of "executive privilege"? Can you defend why ANY policy meeting should be secret from the American people since any and all policies that are ultimately decided upon DIRECTLY impacts the lives of the American people?
July 25th, 2007 at 7:47 pmBob Loblaw: You are so right, but “kaos†is from “Get Smartâ€. “Chaos†is from Webster’s.
Comment by helenahandbasket — July 25, 2007 @ 7:41 pm
That did cross my mind but I had posted it before I could correct it. Thanks though... :)
July 25th, 2007 at 7:53 pmNot a glove, I tell you, they didn’t even ruffle his feathers.
Comment by Minister of Propaganda
Alfredo doesn't have feathers. He has scales.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:53 pmAt this point, we have hundreds of hearings that have produced bupkis.
So that's the polite way to call the shite coming out of Gonzo's mouth.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:54 pmBreaking: Even more bad news for Gonzo.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:55 pmNamtillaku, don't underestimate senators leahy, schumer, feingold, whitehouse (and even specter, for that matter). they're taking this nice and slow for a reason - precedent.
consider what republicans would do if they had the precedent of an extremely hasty impeachment of a cabinet official (regardless of the merits of doing so). democrats would never be safe again. the first opening that presented itself, some republican would be pressing for impeachment because of trivial matters. because they have no respect for the rule of law.
i am impatient also, but i recognize that leahy, schumer, et al, are attempting to be as rigorous as possible in this process, for two reasons:
a) so it can't be run roughshod in the future (not that it won't, but at least dems won't be giving them a precedent for doing so), and
b) to let abu gonzales hang himself. which he has done (specter, the ranking republican, essentially said they were going to begin a perjury investigation).
this is very frustrating to us, but aside from the powers of the purse (which haven't been used very effectively, in my opinion) the constitution only gives congress one blunt weapon (impeachment of an executive or judicial official) with which to reassert itself. this blunt weapon has to be used wisely because, as we know by now, the other side has no qualms with "going nuclear".
and if this issue goes to court it's going to go through a judicial system that has been packed with six years of bush appointees. these guys know that and will avoid it if possible.
a special prosecutor AND a perjury investigation is what i'm hoping for. unfortunately, but for drips and drabs i'll bet we won't see another full episode in this process until after the august recess.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:55 pmAs much as I’d like to agree with all you folks who think that Tony the Liar is full of it, the troll at #7 used all bold letters, so he must be right…
Comment by Bobwurst
Damn, Bobwurst, you're right. That's unstoppable. Wish I had thought of that. I guess I'm just not ready for all BOLD letters yet... sniff... sniff...
July 25th, 2007 at 7:56 pmShouldn’t the attorney general of the United States meet a higher standard?
GONZALES: The attorney general of the United States should try to meet the highest standard. And I have tried to meet that standard, Senator.
FEINGOLD: Do you feel you’ve met that standard?
GONZALES: Obviously, there have been instances where I have not met that standard.
So why is he still there?
July 25th, 2007 at 7:57 pmFirst thing's first:
Bob Loblaw: I laugh every time I see your name. That was an awesomw show that never got its fair chance, if you ask me.
Second:
If Congress gave him a thrashing, was there any indication that they are actually going to DO something about these criminals?
--Thanks.
(An old poster in need of good news to come back.)
July 25th, 2007 at 7:58 pm"and if this issue goes to court it’s going to go through a judicial system that has been packed with six years of bush appointees. these guys know that and will avoid it if possible."
They don't have to go to the courts, they have the power to find these people in Inherent Contempt, arrest them and try them before Congress. Unfortunately they are either too chicken or too lazy. I'm voting for lazy. If they had used Inherent Contempt, they would have had to give up their August vacation and held the trial. Instead, they chickened out.
July 25th, 2007 at 8:02 pmI hear you TruBlue...
July 25th, 2007 at 8:03 pmAt this point, having the show (Arrested Development) come back for a 4th season is more likely than having Congress do anything about this mess.
Sorry, correction - TrueBlue :)
July 25th, 2007 at 8:04 pmNo one has laid a glove on Alberto Gonzales. That's right!
That's because when Alberto Gonzales stepped into the hearing ring to duke it out he:
Slipped on a long, long, long, long, long, long, long trail of toilet paper still clinging to his ass. He was knocked out cold in .000005 seconds. Alberto Gonzales couldn't RECALL or REMEMBER that you're supposed to flush toilet paper after you do your "J-O-B/J-O-B-S.
In fact, Alberto Gonzales can't RECALL or REMEMBER lots of things when he's doing his J-O-B/J-O-B-S. His total job performance is just one shitty mess.
I've got news for you, Tony Snow. "LAID A GLOVE" is simply the wrong phrase. "CREAMED HIS ASS" is the appropriate phrase. The sad irony is that Congress didn't "CREAM ALBERTO'S ASS" as Alberto creamed his own ass.
Alberto's goose was cooked even before he stepped into the hearing ring. Everyone knew Alberto Gonzales was going to fall flat on his ass which is exactly what happened.
Luckily, the long, long, long, long, long, long, long trail of toilet paper still clingling to Alberto's ass cushioned his fall a little.
The hearing referees should have stopped this match a long time ago. A long time ago!
July 25th, 2007 at 8:06 pmIt's OK, Bob Loblaw.
:)
July 25th, 2007 at 8:12 pmGonzo has done more damage in the last six months than did 3 years of Iraq war. The longer he doesn't resign the worse things appear for Chimp.
July 25th, 2007 at 8:15 pmI'd have to agree with Tony Snow-Job. Nobody laid a glove on Fredo - but that's only because they were putting the boots to him!
July 25th, 2007 at 8:20 pmRead This!
http://www.thedailystar.com/news/stories/2007/07/25/jprowearrest0722.html
THEN…
Watch this!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3837554806768067398
Loose Change Producer kidnapped by Army:
http://www.prisonplanet.com./articles/july2007/250707neoconscheer.htm
SPREAD THE WORD!
July 25th, 2007 at 8:20 pminherent contempt is another blunt weapon, but only to compel someone to testify. realistically, the person held in inherent contempt could choose to stay in jail until january 2009 and the damage would be done.
do you think harriet miers would stay in jail for her bff gwb?
July 25th, 2007 at 8:23 pmWas it Cheney who ordered Chertoff to kill the Ptech Investigation??? And Remember "Operation Greenquest?†That investigation was killed too!
http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/01/michael-chertoff-and-sabotage-of-ptech.html
A tipster was Indira Singh, who has said she recognizes the separate command and control communications system Mike Ruppert describes Dick Cheney to have been running on September 11th as having "the exact same functionality I was looking for (Ptech)."
The Ptech case turned into an ugly dispute last year when company whistleblowers told Greenquest agents about their own suspicions about the firm’s owners. Sources close to the case say those same whistleblowers had first approached FBI agents, but the bureau apparently did little or nothing in response. With backing from the National Security Council, Greenquest agents then mounted a full-scale investigation that culminated in a raid on the company’s office last December. After getting wind of the Greenquest probe, the FBI stepped in and unsuccessfully tried to take control of the case.
Whatever the truth, there is no dispute that the case has so far produced no charges and indictments against Al-Qadi or anyone else connected with Ptech.
What role did Dick Cheney play in killing the investigation into Al-Qadi?
Now, how does Chertoff figure in the Ptech story? It goes back to the turf war of two years ago over Operation Greenquest, "the high-profile federal task force set up to target the financiers of Al Qaeda and other international terrorist groups."
*
July 25th, 2007 at 8:29 pmClearly ptech represent some nexus between the government and terrorism that must not be revealed, and Chertoff is just the man to cover it up.
Gonzo is such a loser. Just like the right-wing trolls that hang out here because they have nowhere else to go. Poor things.
July 25th, 2007 at 8:30 pmComment by spit take — July 25, 2007 @ 7:32
July 25th, 2007 at 8:33 pmYour right. I'm just so mad we heard of another soldier who I knew was killed in Iraq. I'm so mad and all the lies and waste of time is getting to me. My daughter is in the military and I know alot of the soldiers in both Afghan and Iraq. It's harder who you know who these soldiers are then just listening to numbers. If only we had more honesty we could handle it but the lies only make it worse.
I'd hate to see what it would be like if Congress had bloodied gonzales in snow's eyes.
July 25th, 2007 at 8:35 pm.
Gonzales may have committed perjury yesterday.
July 25th, 2007 at 8:37 pmFor all the latest news, key reports, document releases and other essential materials surrounding Gonzales, the U.S. attorneys purge and NSA illegal domestic surveillance, visit:
July 25th, 2007 at 8:37 pm- The U.S. Attorneys Scandal Document Center
- The NSA Domestic Surveillance Scandal Center
Bob Loblaw,
These thugs are sadists and they love a good dog fight. Dog fights have been in the news recently.
For over six years there's been a massive, bloody dog fight in Washington. Blood sends chills up these sadists' spines. Firing people is orgasmic. Denying gays and lesbians basic human rights is so much fun. It's even more fun if they are gay and lesbian. These thugs are the "real" sick people.
July 25th, 2007 at 8:43 pmIf you can't buy your own lies, how in the hell are you going to be able to sell them to somone else????
It was so friggin' obvious he was lying abd he didn't even believe his own crap that he was trying to sell. (Gonzo that is.)
July 25th, 2007 at 8:44 pmComment by lonesomerobot — July 25, 2007 @ 7:55 pm
A very well thought out analysis of the situation. I too am impatient with the process, but the dems need to be very careful of moving too fast. Showing due diligence in the process will make it more difficult for the Republicans to start an endless cycle of impeachment procedures in the future. The constant hearings are producing one thing - the crimes of this administration are on the news every night. Eventually, it will seep into the consciousness of the American people. I envision a day when a Republican can't get elected as dogcatcher.
July 25th, 2007 at 8:45 pmand, did anyone happen to listen to randi this afternoon?
(priceless picture there)
she spoke with “Democratic strategist, former aide to U.S. Senator Lloyd Bentsen, now contributing editor to Fighting Dems News service, Brent Budowsky.†today…
he helped explain why going for the criminal comtempt (vs. inherent/civil) is a better track taken…
for others curious:
1. it is the 1st avenue usually taken, it’s protocol
2. it the US atty in DC (an interim appointee) decides to prohibit the grand jury proceeding bringing contempt charges on orders from dumby, then that’s a violation, another one, grounds for impeachment
that’s from my notes… i could be mistaken…
July 25th, 2007 at 8:51 pm...
Has anyone noticed that the second link (The one after "Watch this!" in this post (Posted in countless other threads.) sends IE into lala land?:
Read This!
http://www.thedailystar.com/ news/ stories/ 2007/ 07/ 25/ jprowearrest0722.html
THEN…
Watch this!
http://video.google.com/ videoplay?docid=3837554806768067398
Loose Change Producer kidnapped by Army:
http://www.prisonplanet.com./ articles/ july2007/ 250707neoconscheer.htm
SPREAD THE WORD!
Comment by ace — July 25, 2007 @ 8:20 pm
July 25th, 2007 at 8:55 pm#111 - katy
Wow! Great info. Thanks!
July 25th, 2007 at 8:55 pmGonzi is a smarmy lying creep. It's humiliating this bastard runs the Justice Dept. Bush's butt boy.
July 25th, 2007 at 8:56 pmOh katy, you weren't kidding. That is a truly tragic picture. It looks like she just got goosed by the King.
I've got that website bookmarked!
July 25th, 2007 at 8:58 pmGonzales is Domino #1
______________________
I just sent this to my House Representative. Please feel free to use it yourself, and share it around. Someone in the House must step up now, before Congress recesses, and start the dominoes falling:
I also did a blog about our timidity regarding impeachment HERE.
July 25th, 2007 at 8:58 pmIn post #78 I asked Frank a question and see that he was not man enough to answer it. He left the building instead. Frank, you are a coward!
July 25th, 2007 at 8:59 pmJuly 25th, 2007 at 8:59 pm
# 117: Not true. Frank had to go "train" his pit bull.
July 25th, 2007 at 9:02 pmI'm not really interested in Tony Snow. He knows jack sh*t about anything, and is used only as a blocking dummy so Bush doesn't need to be bothered by the little people who write newspapers.
I'm tired of the crap. I want a few impeachments now.
July 25th, 2007 at 9:10 pmSnow had only one sentence on his resume when he applied for this job.
I will say ANYTHING if the salary is right.
July 25th, 2007 at 9:13 pmI know this wont go over well, but Gonzo will only be replaced by another Ashcroft or Miers. We should, perhaps, forget about this guys dual hat antics/role. 2008 is just around the corner,,
July 25th, 2007 at 9:14 pmKind of reminds me of the Iraqi Information Minister.
July 25th, 2007 at 9:15 pmComment by bilbobaggins — July 25, 2007 @ 7:39 pm
Frank - I have a question for you. Would you really want a Democratic President to have all the powers that Bush has [awarded himself]?
Well, yes, every president should have all the powers that Bush (the presedent) has - only because separation of branches has always been in place. Bush didn’t award himself any new powers.
Would you really want a Democratic President who had done something wrong to be able to thumb their nose in the face of Congress and claim total “executive privilegeâ€.
No one claimed TOTAL executive privilege, but let’s let Bill Clinton - who may not have thumbed his nose, but did wag his finger - answer that one.
“It depends on what the definition of the word “is†is.
July 25th, 2007 at 9:15 pmI know this wont go over well, but Gonzo will only be replaced by another Ashcroft or Miers. We should, perhaps, forget about this guys dual hat antics/role. 2008 is just around the corner,,
Comment by NomoGonzo — July 25, 2007 @ 9:14 pm
You're forgetting, NomoGonzo, that both Ashcroft and Gonzales were confirmed by a Republican Senate. The chances of Bush getting another ideologue (at least one as brazenly incompetent as Abu G) through the confirmation process is unlikely.
July 25th, 2007 at 9:22 pmAhhhh, there it is - thanks 'r'. I'd feel cheated if I stopped by TP and didn't see one of you moronic 26%ers pulling a 'but, but, but....Clinton!' outta your ass.
July 25th, 2007 at 9:22 pmQuadajet – that’s a rather unfortunate sounding moniker. You new here?
July 25th, 2007 at 9:29 pmHey, Quadrajet.
Long time no see. :)
July 25th, 2007 at 9:31 pmHello r. And other devoted Republicans, I have a simple question.
Do the mistakes, and misdeeds, of a previous administration excuse the mistakes, and misdeeds, of the current administration?
July 25th, 2007 at 9:31 pmNo
July 25th, 2007 at 9:32 pmQuadajet – I know what you mean, there was only one “Nazi†and one “chimp†reference and 2 Clinton references before me.
July 25th, 2007 at 9:36 pm#127 - no 'r', I'm not new here. I did however leave the 'r' out of my.....errrr....'unfortunate' sounding moniker now that you've added an aire of stupidity to the letter.
#128 - Hey Zehava, what's up?
July 25th, 2007 at 9:42 pm#132 -- What up?
The temperature.
My tomatoes.
Probably my blood pressure. :)
How about you?
July 25th, 2007 at 9:44 pm#133 pretty much the same, sans the tomatoes. Did you catch Gonzo's act? Tsk, tsk - bobbing and weaving, lying and deceiving - why they didn't just stop and throw the cuffs on him right there is beyond me.
July 25th, 2007 at 9:49 pmzzzzzzzzzzzz
Urp...wha...huh....hello....
Oh...its yet another thread about AG.
Tomorrow there will be a new topic here at TP: Fred Thompson cant be president because he has a hot wife.
July 25th, 2007 at 9:49 pmWell good for you. I was afraid it was a pro Al Quada reference. Along with the jet, well, you know.
Quadrajet sounds much better.
July 25th, 2007 at 9:53 pm#134
How can you survive in the summer without growing tomatoes!? :)
I've seen the clips of Gonzo here on TP, and mostly what I noticed was his body language. It seemed like he was either constantly shifting his arms around, or he was sitting stone still -- unnaturally still. Committee members would say things to him that would make anyone at least blink with shame -- and nothing.
Wow.
July 25th, 2007 at 9:53 pmI just watch the briefing and I am just amazed at how Mr Snow can make assertion after assertion about how much the White House is doing to cooperate and how the Congress is the bad guy and no one in that room is able to refute him. It is a sad state of preparedness that is a disservice to their role as the 4th estate!!!
July 25th, 2007 at 9:54 pmNo
Comment by r — July 25, 2007 @ 9:32 pm
Kind of shoots the "Clinton did it" defense in the foot; don't you think?
July 25th, 2007 at 9:54 pm#136 - Quadrajet sounds much better.
Comment by r
I wonder what a Quadrajet is. Do you know, r?
Why would you think Quadajet was was pro-al queda?
July 25th, 2007 at 9:56 pm-----------------------
The only creatures I know that are better at telling lies than Alberto G. are FEMINISTS!
So many American Women (99%?) are brainwashed with that hate movement known as Feminism.
Sad really.
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July 25th, 2007 at 9:57 pm#139 - Kind of shoots the “Clinton did it†defense in the foot; don’t you think?
Comment by pete
Oh, thank goodness we can put that to rest.
July 25th, 2007 at 9:57 pmboring!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 25th, 2007 at 9:59 pm#141 -- So many American Women (99%?) are brainwashed with that hate movement known as Feminism.
Sad really.
———————–
Comment by bilbo
Oh my, your mama must have scared you!
July 25th, 2007 at 9:59 pmbilbo,
Do you really believe 99% of American women are feminists?
We are doing well, aren't we? :-)
July 25th, 2007 at 10:01 pmHow can you survive in the summer without growing tomatoes!? :)
Comment by Zehava — July 25, 2007 @ 9:53 pm
I live in Texas - nothing grows here but stupidity, hehehehe
I think 'r' was making a funny with the al-Quada reference, either that or it can't spell - almost makes me want to banter about with it.....
July 25th, 2007 at 10:01 pm#
Oh, thank goodness we can put that to rest.
Comment by Zehava — July 25, 2007 @ 9:57 pm
I've been trying to get an answer to that question for months. Now I can sleep.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:04 pm#145
Hey! My niece and nephew are growing in Texas, and my niece is not stupid. :-)
It must have been the scary Q with the a.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:05 pm#146
And thanks to r, we won't have anymore "Clinton did it too" filling these threads.
Thanks r!
July 25th, 2007 at 10:06 pmKind of shoots the “Clinton did it†defense in the foot; don’t you think?
Comment by pete — July 25, 2007 @ 9:54 pm
No.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:09 pmUS Rep becomes #15 to IMPEACH.
TWO MORE TO GO, and Conyers says he WILL begin impeachment…
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/25094
Comment by AWOL Rain Man — July 25, 2007 @ 7:25 pm
Before you get excited, check out Ray McGovern's story on his visit to, and subsequent arrest in, John Conyer's office.
http://www.counterpunch.org/mcgovern07252007.html
During the White press briefing today, a reporter asked press secretary Tony Snow whether Alberto Gonzales had lost his “credibility†due to his apparently misleading testimony to Congress.
I sday no, he didn't lose any credibility. That has long been gone!
July 25th, 2007 at 10:10 pm#147 - Sorry for that Z, there are a few roses growing among the weeds.
Gotta split, take care my friend.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:10 pm#151
Nice seeing you, QJ!
July 25th, 2007 at 10:11 pm"don’t you think?"
Comment by pete — July 25, 2007 @ 9:54 pm
No.
Comment by r — July 25, 2007 @ 10:09 pm
I suspected as much.....
July 25th, 2007 at 10:12 pm#
Kind of shoots the “Clinton did it†defense in the foot; don’t you think?
Comment by pete — July 25, 2007 @ 9:54 pm
No.
Comment by r — July 25, 2007 @ 10:09 pm
Well, it appears that you can lead a horse's ass to logic but, you can't make it think.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:14 pmI think ‘r’ was making a funny with the al-Quada reference, either that or it can’t spell - almost makes me want to banter about with it…..
Comment by Quadrajet — July 25, 2007 @ 10:01 pm
Not really trying to be funny this time. I'm sure I don't know the official TP spelling of Al Kada or Queda or Queda what ever. I've seen it a bunch of ways, probably in jest.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:15 pm#149 - r
Oh. So the mistakes, and misdeeds, of a previous administration DO excuse the mistakes, and misdeeds, of the current administration?
I don't think you can have it both ways.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:16 pm#I know this wont go over well, but Gonzo will only be replaced by another Ashcroft or Miers. We should, perhaps, forget about this guys dual hat antics/role. 2008 is just around the corner,,
Comment by NomoGonzo — July 25, 2007 @ 9:14 pm
Wrong! The new AJ will have to be approved by the Senate, and I don't think they'll roll over so easy this time.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:21 pmzehava - randi's site is a wealth of information...
she links to everything she covers on her show...
about the quadra / qaeda "confusion" -
i think the "u follows q" rule is for english only...
which explains how the trooll got "confused"...
?
it's so hard for some to accept and understand
July 25th, 2007 at 10:21 pmthat the world does not revolve around usa norms...
...
Oh. So the mistakes, and misdeeds, of a previous administration DO excuse the mistakes, and misdeeds, of the current administration?
No.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:22 pm#158 -- it’s so hard for some to accept and understand
that the world does not revolve around usa norms…
…
Comment by katy
It doesn't!!
Nooooooooooooooooooo!!!
July 25th, 2007 at 10:23 pm#159
Well r, your little pointy head must be a-spinnin'!!
July 25th, 2007 at 10:24 pmLying is not just a way of life for these people it is a sacrament.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:25 pmKind of shoots the “Clinton did it†defense in the foot; don’t you think?
Comment by pete — July 25, 2007 @ 9:54 pm
No.
There was no Clinton defense, just Clinton snark. I answered the question: No one claimed TOTAL executive privilege,
Then added the snark: but let’s let Bill Clinton - who may not have thumbed his nose, but did wag his finger - answer that one.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:27 pm“It depends on what the definition of the word “is†is.
yea... sorry, girl...
July 25th, 2007 at 10:27 pmnow buck up...
Well r, your little pointy head must be a-spinnin’!!
Comment by Zehava
That seems like a rude comment.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:28 pmtime to walk the doggie...
July 25th, 2007 at 10:29 pmwatch my guys...
g'nite all...
Zehava
It seems that many Republicans, ( Mark Foley, Ted Haggard etc), insist on "having it both ways" as they say.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:30 pmoh yea... carefull...
July 25th, 2007 at 10:30 pmr is the sensitive one...
;-(
#163
Gosh r, no one said anything about executive privilege.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:30 pmWell, as incredible as it sounds, I almost feel like agreeing with Snow.
Has Gonzales lost his job? Is he facing penalties, legal or otherwise?
Is Gonzales facing the consequences of his actions?
No?
I'd say no one has laid a glove on him yet...
July 25th, 2007 at 10:30 pmGoodnight, katy.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:31 pm#165
Well r, it was.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:31 pm#168
r is sensitive? He seems to be holding up pretty well!
July 25th, 2007 at 10:32 pmThe chances of Bush getting another ideologue (at least one as brazenly incompetent as Abu G) through the confirmation process is unlikely.
I have not forgotten. The Democrats are barely a majority. It would come down to the Independents such as Lieberman. And he would side with the Republicans. Feingold has gone oddly silent for the most part.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:33 pmSorry r, I'm assuming you're a "he."
July 25th, 2007 at 10:33 pmCheck out the Olbermann clip.
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Docs_contradict_Gonzales_sworn_testimony._0725.html
"Mi Abogado" as Bush calls him has gotten hit knickers knotted again with that truth stuff. Our Attorney General may be forced out of office by the end of the Summer if this keeps up.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:35 pm"There are no American infidels in Baghdad. Never!"
Baghdad Bob, meet Washing Tony.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:36 pm#163
Gosh r, no one said anything about executive privilege.
Comment by Zehava — July 25, 2007 @ 10:30 pm
It started way up in post 78. I understand your confusion.
Frank – I have a question for you. Would you really want a Democratic President to have all the powers that Bush has awarded himself? Would you really want a Democratic President who had done something wrong to be able to thumb their nose in the face of Congress and claim total “executive privilegeâ€.
Now, Frank, show how much of a man you are. Give us an honest answer to these two questions.
Comment by bilbobaggins — July 25, 2007 @ 7:39 pm
Even in quotes!
This was the point, but you jumped in late. No big deal.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:37 pmWould you really want a Democratic President whose administration had done something illegal to be able to use “executive privilege†to keep that crime from being investigated?
July 25th, 2007 at 10:40 pmThe three most beautiful words of advice a lawyer can everl whisper in your ear is: "I don't recall"
July 25th, 2007 at 10:40 pm[Hard to believe anyone would pay a lawyer for that. 8^(P]
Sorry r, I’m assuming you’re a “he.â€
Comment by Zehava — July 25, 2007 @ 10:33 pm
Yes, I'm doing one handed pushups and shaving as I type.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:41 pm#178
Thanks r, but I'm not confused at all.
I was simply following your responses to "pete" in #129. He didn't mention executive privilege, and it was clear that you were answering him, since you were copying and pasting portions of his comments along with your responses.
So, what about this 'having it both ways" problem?
July 25th, 2007 at 10:42 pmi have posted links, and
images, of conyers' report
on contempt -- transmitted
tonight to fred fielding at the
white house -- do take a look!
mmmmm! documentary goodness!
July 25th, 2007 at 10:42 pmHere is a question, can a complaint be made to the ABA or the Texas BA (since that is where I assume he is admitted) to ask for Gonzo to be dis-barred?
July 25th, 2007 at 10:43 pmYes, I’m doing one handed pushups and shaving as I type.
Comment by r
I suspect the "one-handed" part is ture, but that's not normally called a "push-up'.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:44 pm#170
I see your point but, I think we will see some action soon. I would take Specter's "actionable" as a bit of "honor among thieves". Code for "fess up now or we take you down". At least we can hope.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:45 pm#185 - I suspect the “one-handed†part is ture, but that’s not normally called a “push-up’.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
What would you call that?
Would you like a slice of cheese, TRoS?
July 25th, 2007 at 10:46 pmHey, TRoS, another win!
July 25th, 2007 at 10:50 pmThanks r, but I’m not confused at all.
I was simply following your responses to “pete†in #129. He didn’t mention executive privilege, and it was clear that you were answering him, since you were copying and pasting portions of his comments along with your responses.
So, what about this ‘having it both ways†problem?
Comment by Zehava — July 25, 2007 @ 10:42 pm
Sorry Zehava, but I am (confused).
I went back and tried to find the “both ways†thing, but between Texas tomatoes and everything else, we’ll just have to start new ok?
July 25th, 2007 at 10:51 pmIs it individually wrapped, to seal in all the goodness?
July 25th, 2007 at 10:51 pmDang. It's about to hail on my car. Night all, it's been interesting.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:51 pmDocuments Contradict Gonzales' Testimony:
"The dissent related to other intelligence activities," Gonzales testified at Tuesday's hearing. "The dissent was not about the terrorist surveillance program."
"Not the TSP?" responded Sen. Charles E. Schumer, D-N.Y. "Come on. If you say it's about other, that implies not. Now say it or not."
"It was not," Gonzales answered. "It was about other intelligence activities."
A four-page memo from the national intelligence director's office says the White House briefing with the eight lawmakers on March 10, 2004, was about the terror surveillance program, or TSP.
The memo, dated May 17, 2006, and addressed to then-House Speaker Dennis Hastert, details "the classification of the dates, locations, and names of members of Congress who attended briefings on the Terrorist Surveillance Program," wrote then-Director of National Intelligence John Negroponte.
It shows that the briefing in March 2004 was attended by the Republican and Democratic House and Senate leaders and leading members of both chambers' intelligence committees, as Gonzales testified.
Schumer called the memo evidence that Gonzales was not truthful in his testimony.
Didn't lay a glove on him? Don't look now, but he's about to get worked over with a pair of brass knuckles.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:51 pmHey, TRoS, another win!
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
Indeed! :-D!!! And Tom is now at 299! (OT, but, hey... we're talking the Mets here!)
I have another friend I talk MLB w/ all the time (another Mets' fan, ahem...) and we'd both been saying, bring up Milledge, bring up Milledge. They did.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:54 pmHe seems to know how to win, a rare and valuable trait in baseball.
#189 - I went back and tried to find the “both ways†thing, but between Texas tomatoes and everything else, we’ll just have to start new ok?
Comment by r
Well, if you can't keep up, I won't hold it against you. Ta ra!
July 25th, 2007 at 10:56 pmWhat would you call that?
Comment by Zehava
Seeing as there are ladies present, we shall resort to an old country euphemism... "choking the chicken", as in the usage, "Don't bother r right now, he'd busy chokin' his chicken...".
July 25th, 2007 at 10:56 pm#190 - Is it individually wrapped, to seal in all the goodness?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Of course! For your safety. :)
July 25th, 2007 at 10:57 pmWhoo Hoo.
The Republic of Stupidity and I know how to yuck it up.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:58 pm#195 - Seeing as there are ladies present, we shall resort to an old country euphemism… “choking the chickenâ€, as in the usage, “Don’t bother r right now, he’d busy chokin’ his chicken…â€.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Poor little chicken....
July 25th, 2007 at 10:58 pmAmerican troops are dying to protect Alberto Gonzales' privilege of lying to congress.
-GSD
July 25th, 2007 at 10:59 pmGoodnight pete, I hope your car doesn't get dented by the hail.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:59 pmThere are people inside that are finally selling Gonzales out.
-GSD
July 25th, 2007 at 10:59 pmSo TRoS, how many balls and strikes were there in that competition?
July 25th, 2007 at 11:01 pmComment by GSD — July 25, 2007 @ 10:59 pm
And about bloody time! Off to watch Jon Stewart, see you in a bit.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:02 pmr sez:
Let me see if I can shed any light on the situation:
#
Hello r. And other devoted Republicans, I have a simple question.
Do the mistakes, and misdeeds, of a previous administration excuse the mistakes, and misdeeds, of the current administration?
Comment by pete — July 25, 2007 @ 9:31 pm
#
No
Comment by r — July 25, 2007 @ 9:32 pm
#
No
Comment by r — July 25, 2007 @ 9:32 pm
Kind of shoots the “Clinton did it†defense in the foot; don’t you think?
Comment by pete — July 25, 2007 @ 9:54 pm
#
Kind of shoots the “Clinton did it†defense in the foot; don’t you think?
Comment by pete — July 25, 2007 @ 9:54 pm
No.
Comment by r — July 25, 2007 @ 10:09 pm
#
#149 - r
Oh. So the mistakes, and misdeeds, of a previous administration DO excuse the mistakes, and misdeeds, of the current administration?
I don’t think you can have it both ways.
Comment by Zehava — July 25, 2007 @ 10:16 pm
Seems pretty clear to me...and I just got here...but of course, I'm not trying to be deliberately obtuse.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:03 pmSo TRoS, how many balls and strikes were there in that competition?
Comment by r
Which competition, r? Question's a little vague.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:04 pm#204 - Seems pretty clear to me…and I just got here…but of course, I’m not trying to be deliberately obtuse.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
Do you think r is trying to be deliberately obtuse? I just thought he was.....um, special.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:06 pmI think is should really be choking the rooster. =)
Jes saying...
July 25th, 2007 at 11:08 pmTony Snow reminds me of Baghdad Bob. what a difficult position he has to defend. Gonzo really makes his job hard to do.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:14 pmIn BushSnow Land, Gonzales makes sense. Back here on Earth, we know that Gonzales is a high-paid liar, assigned to cover up the overlapping crimes of the Bush Administration.
Imagine an honest intelligent President, an ethical Attorney General, and a Press Secretary with personal dignity. Jan. 20, 2009 won't come soon enough to save our country and our Constitution.
Impeach Bush and his wretched clowns.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:16 pmHere is a shocker- Faux news? web site has the Gonzo story as their lead and it is nowhere on CNN and far down on MSNBC. That scares me. They even report he may have "LIED".
July 25th, 2007 at 11:21 pmhttp://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,290844,00.html
Here is the link.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:22 pmHi folks. The car is fine. Just in case you missed Olberman here's a link:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/07/25/countdown-leahy-doesnt-buy-white-house-lies/
G'night again.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:39 pmThanks, pete. Goodnight!
July 25th, 2007 at 11:40 pmI think is should really be choking the rooster. =)
Jes saying…
Comment by Nomo Gonzo
True, Nomo. "Choking the chicken" just has such a nice, alliterative quaity to it.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:50 pmOf course! For your safety. :)
Comment by Zehava
Well then, bring it on!
July 25th, 2007 at 11:51 pmThe Republic of Stupidity and I know how to yuck it up.
Comment by r
Don't let it go to your, uh, head, r. Jes' 'cause you're an honorary citizen, a Stupidian, as we call 'em, it don't mean we're gonna start hagnin' out together or anything like that.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:54 pmSchumer is an idiot. The only undisputable fact to come out of that hearing.
Comment by JT — July 25, 2007 @ 6:49 pm
Alert: to ALL the police in JT's City: NEVER trust ANYTHING that fool tells you, if he is a witness to a crime (i.e., Gonzos many crimes of perjury).
JT (Juiced-up Troll) can't tell his butt from a hole in the ground!
July 26th, 2007 at 12:00 amWell then, bring it on!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Do you like American or "Swiss?" That's all the convenience store had. :D
July 26th, 2007 at 12:07 amDo you like American or “Swiss?†That’s all the convenience store had. :D
Comment by Zehava
Tough call, Zehava, tough call. The patriot in me (ahem!) says, Go w/ the American cheese, Big Fella! it's the Patriotic Ting To Doâ„¢!
On the other hand, my "Inner Republican" says, go w/ the Swiss... secret bank accounts, political neutrality, and the ever famous holes -the loopholes, if you will.
No Muenster? Say... where'd all the trolls go? Just when things were gettin' fun, too...
July 26th, 2007 at 12:18 amJT (Juiced-up Troll) can’t tell his butt from a hole in the ground!
Comment by hterrya
Didn't mean to get ya last night, hterrya. I was really after The Eck...
July 26th, 2007 at 12:19 amTony Snow's serial lies are part of the required qualifications for his job.
When he was being considered for the job, his serial lies and ability to mouth NeoCon talking points (without choking) on Faux Noise gave him extra credit!
July 26th, 2007 at 12:22 amGonzales is a liar.
Bush, Cheney, Rove, et al, demand loyalty because they have all of the goods on eachother. None can afford to turn on the other.
Transparency has no place in this sinister administration. The fact that Laura Bush killed her boyfriend, Michael Douglas, in 1963 is probably the least of their horrifying history that they have chosen to erase from history. (Yeah, it may have been a traffic accident, but Laura's boyfriend was not in Laura's car. He was in the car that she slammed into when she blew through the signal. He was not hit by an evil-doing terrorist, he was hit by Laura Bush . . . so no need for charges or investigation). Guaranteed: You, me, Arab guy slamming into girlfriend at cross-section (55 MPH speed limit) . . . . big trouble.
Just what these folks have done, lied about, covered up, black-mailed eachother about, and white-washed boggles the mind.
Texas justice at its finest.
Good thing Gonzo was a Texas Supreme. . . . even better . . . defending justice as the USAG.
Go dub'ya.
July 26th, 2007 at 12:22 amNo Muenster? Say… where’d all the trolls go? Just when things were gettin’ fun, too…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
No. Herman's asleep. :)
What? You can't fun without trolls? Hmpff..
July 26th, 2007 at 12:23 amTRoS: I didn't take it personally.
Glad to see you are not letting the NeoCons claim an ounce of ground.
So many NeoCon criminals, so little time! {:-)
July 26th, 2007 at 12:24 amSeems pretty clear to me…and I just got here…but of course, I’m not trying to be deliberately obtuse.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
Do you think r is trying to be deliberately obtuse? I just thought he was…..um, special.
Comment by Zehava
Special or obtuse. Let's call a meeting. Thing r, take your little friends
Things a through z and run along. We'll get back to you when we have a decision.
Ssshhh, do you think he left?
July 26th, 2007 at 12:30 amSsshhh, do you think he left?
Comment by shane
He will now!! You probably hurt his feelings! :D
July 26th, 2007 at 12:32 amI think is should really be choking the rooster. =)
Jes saying…
Comment by Nomo Gonzo
Something that small would be choking the doodler wouldn't it?
July 26th, 2007 at 12:32 amHe will now!! You probably hurt his feelings! :D
Comment by Zehava
And is that a bad thing? Because really, I'm not feeling at all guilty.
July 26th, 2007 at 12:36 amWhat? You can’t fun without trolls? Hmpff..
Comment by Zehava
It is always fun when you are here, m'dear.
Any more cheese?
July 26th, 2007 at 12:38 amSomething that small would be choking the doodler wouldn’t it?
Comment by shane
Ah yes. The proverbial "Hung like a hamster..."
July 26th, 2007 at 12:39 amGlad to see you are not letting the NeoCons claim an ounce of ground.
So many NeoCon criminals, so little time! {:-)
Comment by hterrya
I have to say, I loves me a good game of Whack-A-Troll!
July 26th, 2007 at 12:40 amAnd is that a bad thing? Because really, I’m not feeling at all guilty.
Comment by shane
Nah. He's a twat.
July 26th, 2007 at 12:41 amIt is always fun when you are here, m’dear.
Any more cheese?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
A chunk of Velveeta from the back of the fridge....
We could soften it in the Big Box O Wine. :P
July 26th, 2007 at 12:42 amA chunk of Velveeta from the back of the fridge….
We could soften it in the Big Box O Wine. :P
Comment by Zehava
Velveeta and boxed wine! And it ain't even Saturday night! This must be serious, oooooeeee.
July 26th, 2007 at 12:46 amA chunk of Velveeta from the back of the fridge….
We could soften it in the Big Box O Wine. :P
Comment by Zehava
Aged velveeta and Box O' Wine? Oh man, gourmet eats!
July 26th, 2007 at 12:48 amVelveeta and boxed wine! And it ain’t even Saturday night! This must be serious, oooooeeee.
Comment by shane
Hey... a little propriety here, if ya don't mind!
July 26th, 2007 at 12:48 amFYI for the non-trolls:
Bilbo not only sent the senseless troll, Frank J, packing from this thread, but he just did ditto on the thread entitled, "AP Reveals New Document Demonstrates ‘Clear Case’ Of Gonzales Perjury On Spying Program."
The Trolls, They Are A'Runnin'!!
July 26th, 2007 at 12:49 amVelveeta and boxed wine! And it ain’t even Saturday night! This must be serious, oooooeeee.
Comment by shane
We simply appreciate the finer things in life.
July 26th, 2007 at 12:49 amAged velveeta and Box O’ Wine? Oh man, gourmet eats!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
I think I broke a tooth. The Velveeta needs to soak longer....
July 26th, 2007 at 12:50 amThe Trolls, They Are A’Runnin’!!
Comment by hterrya
Who knew it would take a Hobbit to run off a troll?
*smacks forehead*
July 26th, 2007 at 12:51 amI've gotta side with Snow on this one. Gonzales is now just openly lying to their faces. He's basically doing the political equivalent of spitting right in their faces...and they are taking it. Sure, they may get angry and say a few angry words but at the end of the day they gave him yet another chance to review his past statements and come back to lie another day.
Seriously, how many second chances can you give someone. Gonzales could walk in the room, eat a baby, tell them all he did not eat a baby and never has, take a dump on the table...and they would STILL not do a single damn thing to fire his ass.
I'm not sure which is a worse sign for American politics. The corruption and partisanship of the justive department, or the fact that the people who are supposed to keep things in check refuse to do a single thing to keep people in check.
July 26th, 2007 at 12:54 amHey… a little propriety here, if ya don’t mind!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
I say "ain't" and you use words like "propriety". What are you, some kind of high falootin' progressive?
July 26th, 2007 at 12:55 amI think I broke a tooth. The Velveeta needs to soak longer….
Comment by Zehava
Check the package, m'dear. Is is Velveeta or Fix-all?
July 26th, 2007 at 12:56 amComment by Rosencrantz — July 26, 2007 @ 12:54 am
Disgusting visual, Rosencrantz, but you definitely have a point. I think we'll know in the next few days....
July 26th, 2007 at 12:57 amI think I broke a tooth. The Velveeta needs to soak longer….
Comment by Zehava
Crunchy Velveeta, now that's a delicacy.
July 26th, 2007 at 12:57 amWhat are you, some kind of high falootin’ progressive?
Comment by shane
Yeah... that's the ticket... high falootin', and I gots me a dictionary, ta boot!
July 26th, 2007 at 12:57 amI say “ain’t†and you use words like “proprietyâ€. What are you, some kind of high falootin’ progressive?
Comment by shane
You're just jealous because you've never had aged Velveeta. :P
July 26th, 2007 at 12:58 amCheck the package, m’dear. Is is Velveeta or Fix-all?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
I can't read the label, damned bifocals.... What color is Fix-all?
July 26th, 2007 at 12:59 amSeriously, how many second chances can you give someone. Gonzales could walk in the room, eat a baby, tell them all he did not eat a baby and never has, take a dump on the table…and they would STILL not do a single damn thing to fire his ass.
Comment by Rosencrantz
Who are they going to believe, Gonzo or their own lying eyes?
July 26th, 2007 at 12:59 amThe Trolls, They Are A’Runnin’!!
Comment by hterrya
Tonight's tally, as far as I can tell...
Frank J, m12, michael, and r.
TP All Stars 4, Trolls, ZIP, nada, bubkis, zero...!!!!!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
July 26th, 2007 at 1:00 amYou’re just jealous because you’ve never had aged Velveeta. :P
Comment by Zehava
It is well known amongst true gormands that 1986 is indeed an outstanding year for Velveeta! Aged... to... perfection!
July 26th, 2007 at 1:02 amWhat color is Fix-all?
Comment by Zehava
It usually tends to be a white wine...
July 26th, 2007 at 1:02 amIt is well known amongst true gormands that 1986 is indeed an outstanding year for Velveeta! Aged… to… perfection!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Well, I have never in living memory purchased Velveeta, so it must really be the good stuff.
July 26th, 2007 at 1:03 amIt usually tends to be a white wine…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Damn it, this is Fix-all! Here's me with no dental, and I need new glasses as well. Now I'm all depressed. Pass me the long straw for the Box O' Wine. *sniff*
Shane, want some....er, cheese?
July 26th, 2007 at 1:06 amWell, I have never in living memory purchased Velveeta, so it must really be the good stuff.
Comment by Zehava
Indeed, pure, uncut V...
July 26th, 2007 at 1:11 amShane, want some….er, cheese?
Comment by Zehava
Or a cheese-like foodstuff?
July 26th, 2007 at 1:11 am"No one claimed TOTAL executive privilege, but let’s let Bill Clinton - who may not have thumbed his nose, but did wag his finger - answer that one.
It depends on what the definition of the word “is†is.
Comment by r"
Sorry r, but Bill Clinton did not hide behind Executive Privilege. He allowed the people around him to testify. He allowed his Attorney General to appoint a special council to investigate him. He took his medicine like a man, unlike the coward Bush who is hiding behind the skirts of Miers and Taylor and behind the lies and obfuscations of Gonzo.
July 26th, 2007 at 1:16 amOr a cheese-like foodstuff?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Told ya I was a classy chick, TRoS. I know all about cheese and wine and stuff. I even saw china dishes in a store once. Heh.
BTW, I don't care what anyone says, that Shane is OK. :D
It's been loads of fun, TRoS. Goodnight!!
July 26th, 2007 at 1:16 amWhat the hell is Snow smoking?
July 26th, 2007 at 3:14 amAnn Coulter! You on this website?
Today, for the frrst time, I found out that our First Lady killed her ex-boyfriend with her car. I am appalled.
She may not have meant to do it . . . . it's with out a doubt horrible . . . .but for all Americans ... it's human. Do we fry people in the Texas Pen for this type of activity? Yes. Do we also forgive wrongdoer's? Yes. But after investigation. In this case there was none!
How the hell can we trust your husband and Al Gonzo to administer justice, when in your case THERE WAS NONE???
July 26th, 2007 at 4:20 amLaura Bush,
Stand up and explain!!!!!!
EXPLAIN WHY YOU SHOULD GETT A FREE PASS.
No one else does.
Luv ya. . . . but . . .
July 26th, 2007 at 4:57 amShe did WHAT!!!!!!!!!
July 26th, 2007 at 6:31 amGood morrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrning. I'd like to put in a plug for velveeta and sweet pickle sandwiches on white bread. Eat two of those and you'll turn so caucasian you'll never sink a jump shot again.
July 26th, 2007 at 7:16 ambut that has to be "Wonder" bread, right?
July 26th, 2007 at 7:48 amAhhh bpgtrptters.
Always great to be greeted by a racist in the morning!
Once I get my nappy hair in a net, I'm right off to Starbucks and then to the unemployment office. Then for a little b-ball.
Yeah, then we goin' to get some bros jumpin' over the fence in Matamoras, maybe carryin' a little powder, Ya' know.
YOU IDIOT. DARWIN WAS RIGHT - unfortunately in your case, evolution just wasn't effective. Social Services probably has some sort of human reconstruction program that might evolve you. . . . or maybe you could just eat so much Velveeta that you choke on a pickle.
July 26th, 2007 at 7:55 am"No sir, no Indian so much as harmed a hair on General Custer's head, I tell you." — Tony Snow
"You know, there's no evidence that Muhammad Ali hurt George Foreman at all." — Tony Snow
"If you look at things objectively, the Napoleon did in fact defeat the British at Waterloo." — Tony Snow
"Historians all agree that the French were triumphant at Dien Bien Phu." — Tony Snow
"When you check the facts, you'll have to agree that Hoover was the winner in 1932." — Tony Snow
"Ohio State fans everywhere are celebrating that great victory over Florida." — Tony Snow
"I think we can all agree that the British were the clear winners in 1776, and thank God for that. Can you imagine the horrors for King George if the Colonists had won?" — Tony Snow
July 26th, 2007 at 9:36 amF$%King Liar.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:16 amTony Snow is the biggest bupkisser of all...
July 26th, 2007 at 10:38 amTony Snow is clearly full of BS. The Daily Show is the only place to turn to for honest reporting on this issue, sadly.
VIDEO - Daily Show / Alberto Gonzalez
July 26th, 2007 at 11:38 amhttp://beta.redlasso.com/Community/ClipPlayer.aspx?i=c77d717a-0e62-4f5e-be77-219ef330ba4f
Snow comment might as well have been -
"Bring it on"
July 26th, 2007 at 12:10 pmlol!
That why Tony Snow (and any White House Press Secretary) is paid the "Goebbels Money" - to issue pronouncements like that.
I feel sorry for Tony.
July 26th, 2007 at 1:17 pmdon't feel sorry for Tony. He is not, to my knowledge, a prisoner, rather, at this point, a conspirator.
July 26th, 2007 at 1:43 pmI hope that much of the damage this man and this administration has done can be undone, but dangerous precedents are being set.
July 26th, 2007 at 1:50 pmAmerica's best and brightest? Gonzales is a f*cking moron!
July 26th, 2007 at 2:45 pmno one can get a glove or a boot, for that matter on your boy because he's doing a great job KICKING HIS OWN ASS, mr. snow!
July 26th, 2007 at 8:45 pm