Murdoch: What’s the Palestinians’ ‘problem’?
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Murdoch: What’s the Palestinians’ ‘problem’?
The New York Sun reports today that Rupert Murdoch once “said he didn’t see what the Palestinians’ problem was.” His son, James, took issue with his father and argued “that they were kicked out of their homes and had nowhere to live.”
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Yeah, what’s up with them?
July 25th, 2007 at 3:01 pmMurdoch also asked, “What’s the problem with Iraq? And what’s up with that Darfur business? And why does my son call me Dick? My name is Rupert. And I own the world, and like to start wars and sell newspapers about them.”
July 25th, 2007 at 3:06 pmYeah, and what’s the deal with these right wing authoritarians that are scared of their own shadow?
July 25th, 2007 at 3:10 pmWhat’s the problem with Fox…should someone ask?
July 25th, 2007 at 3:10 pmI doubt that Ruprecht would let little Jimmy anywhere near the editorial board…
July 25th, 2007 at 3:13 pmWho cares about the Palestinians?
July 25th, 2007 at 3:14 pmHere is a man who claims to own the world’s biggest news empire claims ignorance,by saying: “What’s wrong with the Palestinians”.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:16 pmRupert Murdoch is a crusty fukcing clown.
If the Wall Street Journal doesn’t want him around, neither do I.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:17 pmComment by Thrasymachos — July 25, 2007 @ 3:14 pm
Rupert Murdoch is a money-hungry dingleberry who already has enough money to make weekend trips to the moon for the rest of his life.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:20 pmLet’s all get together, get some guns, and troop on over to Rupert Murdoch’s house. We’ll claim that his house is our ancestral home, and make him live in a lean-to in the back yard. Oh, and we’ll build a big wall around his little campsite (for his protection, of course).
Maybe then he’ll understand what the Palestinians’ “problem” is.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:20 pmRupert Murdoch is an ignorant fool.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:21 pmMaybe then he’ll understand what the Palestinians’ “problem†is.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
No, you see, Trip, when you practice ethnic cleansing, apartheid, break human rights, take back economic resources (money, fishing shores, water, food, etc.) from other people and get attacked with weapons hundreds of times less sophisticated by yours, you are a VICTIM, not an AGRESSOR.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:24 pmGlad to know RM’s son is a little brighter than he is.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:25 pm#11 Taken one step further…Rupert Murdick is an OLD ignorant fool. No fool like an OLD FOOL!
July 25th, 2007 at 3:27 pmby s/b than. Sorry.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:28 pmJuan C sez:
Good point, Juan. We’ll give Rupert a slingshot and a good supply of pebbles, so he can take potshots at the guards on his wall. Of course whenever he does, we’ll hit him with tear gas and beat him bloody with truncheons…and then we’ll beat him a couple times because we suspect him of planning more pebble shots…and then we’ll get a kid with a slingshot to stage a false-flag attack against the guards, so we have an excuse to beat him even more severely…
July 25th, 2007 at 3:31 pmComing from the owner of a NEWS empire, that statement elevates him to the poster-boy for the “more money than brains club”.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:31 pmI guess they make them stupid in Austrailia as well.
And here I thought we had a corner on the stupid market (et al BUshco).
July 25th, 2007 at 3:33 pmTODAY Arabs push Israel for final talks
Two Arab ministers have presented Israeli leaders with a regional land-for-peace plan and have called for a rapid timetable for talks with the Palestinians over statehood.
Israel described the one-day visit by the Jordanian and Egyptian foreign ministers on Wednesday as an “historic” move on the part of the 22-nation Arab League.
But Tel Aviv stopped short of embracing their initiative.
The Arab peace initiative offers Israel the normalisation of ties with Arab nations in exchange for full withdrawal from Arab land occupied during the 1967 War, the creation of a Palestinian state and the return of refugees.
‘Sick and tired’
Rula Amin, Al Jazeera’s correspondent in the West Bank, said that many Arab diplomats were concerned that the “Arab initative will not be kept as a whole” but would instead be simply a “talking point”.
She said: “This peace process has been going on for almost 13 years and people are sick and tired of hearing about meetings and negotiations and conferences without seeing concrete results.”
http://english.aljazeera.net/English
MURDOCH GET STUFFED
July 25th, 2007 at 3:34 pmSo far no-one here has given a clear explanation of what the Palestinian problem is. If they’d abandon violence, they’d be perfectly allowed to live within the borders of Israel. Any problem they may have is their own making.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:34 pmand then we’ll get a kid with a slingshot to stage a false-flag attack against the guards, so we have an excuse to beat him even more severely…
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
And then we will whine about Iran, Syria Lebanon and some others that we dont like, we will not respect 70+ UN resolutions, we will make a military state for own safety, cuz you got to have Rupert on sight, he is so dangerous, we will rape, we will plunder, we will destroy their houses, cause we are the chosen people and we are such good folks.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:36 pmTO SEE WHAT THE 1967 Borders look like
http://www.palestine-pmc.com/maps/19-5-1.jpg
Isreal should take yup this offer opnce and for all, Isreal with American vetos at the UN are getting nowhere
Isreal is on its last legs now It should take up this offer
July 25th, 2007 at 3:36 pmAny problem they may have is their own making.
Comment by Boudin Bob
Yep, thats what Nazis said about gypsies.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:37 pm#23: Ah yes. The Nazis. Always a useful label to stick on someone whose opinion you don’t agree with.
Pathetic.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:38 pmTobey, Israel doesnt want peace. The road to Damascus wasnt invented by Palestinians. Israel will withdraw from talks, not from land.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:39 pmRawstory reports a Babtist minister in San Antonio was struck and killed by lighting yesterday. Just another sign, that God is coming and boy, is she pissed.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:39 pmWhat’s the Palestinians’ ‘problem’?
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Their problem is that they’ve embraced a death-cult mentality, they poison the minds of their children with insane, hatefilled propaganda and they have chosen an evil terrorist organization to lead them.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:39 pmPathetic.
Comment by Boudin Bob
Well, I do not support ethnic cleansing. You do. Whos pathetic?
July 25th, 2007 at 3:39 pmJuan C sez:
And what the Americans said about the Native Americans.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:40 pmBB,
July 25th, 2007 at 3:40 pmIs that the same thing you would have told Native American’s 150 years ago?
What a fool.
What is this love affair with the left and the Palestinians anyway?
July 25th, 2007 at 3:41 pmYou know, he’s old. No matter how much money and power he makes and acrues, he can’t take any of it with him. He leaves this earth alone just like the rest of us. I wonder if he has ever considered that in his quest to be all powerful and the richest man on earth (assuming that is his quest). What will he say when he meets his maker??
July 25th, 2007 at 3:41 pm20. Ah yes…they’d be allowed to live in whatever god-forsaken scrubland that’s left at this point–albeit in a country that pretty much seems to be ALL god-frosaken scrubland. Except that god blessed the scrubland before he forsook it or was it that he forsook it before he blessed it?
July 25th, 2007 at 3:41 pmJingo sez:
When you’re surrounded by death 24/7, the “death-cult mentality” is only rational.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:42 pmWe’ll claim that his house is our ancestral home, and make him live in a lean-to in the back yard.
It’s worse than that. Only the southern half of the West Bank and the surrounding parts of Israel was ever ancestral Jewish land. The rest of modern Israel was ancestral Samaritan land – the larger, more populous, more powerful kingdom of the two – hated and excoriated in scripture because they didn’t worship in the temple in Jerusalem, or recognize Davidic succession.
It would be more like claiming that two of your people’s ancient kings once ruled, Rupert’s house, according to scripture written centuries after the fact, and thus it’s yours – regardless of who lived in it then or since.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:42 pmBoudin Bob sez:
What is this love affair with the right and Israel anyway?
July 25th, 2007 at 3:42 pmThe Nazis. Always a useful label to stick on someone whose opinion you don’t agree with.
Pathetic.
Comment by Boudin Bob — July 25, 2007 @ 3:38 pm
If you don’t know what the “Palestinians’ problem” is, you should read up on it. Then maybe you wouldn’t look like such a fool.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:43 pmIts not a talk about land yet , the Arab league are testing the waters , I dare say there will be some consetions on the borders of 67 but at least it might be a start
Have you been reading about Syria and the weapons they have pointed at Isreal
July 25th, 2007 at 3:43 pmJaun C will be all over this thread as he stands out among the TP posters as an authentic Jew-hater.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:44 pm#30: Israel is the only democratic, human rights respecting state in the region and they’ve got the right to defend themselves. If we were facing suicide bombers every day like they are, you can bet that even you’d be calling for same kind of measures – or even stronger measures – that are effective in Israel today.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:44 pmThere probably is something seriously wrong with the Paletinians, but Rupert Murdoch is an all-around moron. I mean, leaving a family member homeless?
What a crusty, goat-farting hag.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:44 pm#37: I’m perfectly aware of the sociopolitical situation in Israel. Telling me that I’m such a fool because I don’t subscribe to your twisted idea of what the reality is is just so pathetic.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:46 pmI have always wondered at the growing hostility toward Neville Chamberlain and the policy of appeasement. Chamberlain did not surrender to Hitler, he did see that the Sudetenland was mostly German-speaking. However, he ended the appeasement policy when Hitler invaded the rest of Czechoslovakia in March 1939 and began to prepare for war. Chamberlain was a competent and effective Prime Minister –even Churchill recognized that. However, in 1940 Chamberlain decided that Jewish migration to Palestine had to be capped at the existing ratio of one third. Churchill & Eden, both imperialists and anti-Arab, declared this also ‘appeasement’ and suddenly Chamberlain was history. No wonder that Arabs, who joined the Allies in fighting the pro-German Ottoman Empire during WWI and were betrayed for their troubles, felt betrayed twice and so thought the enemy of their enemy might be their friend. The West has a lot of explaining to do and it has to be honest about when appeasement is cowardice and when appeasement is justice.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:47 pmComment by Ringo — July 25, 2007 @ 3:44 pm
Along with completely-open borders.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:48 pmJingo sez:
Jingo will be all over this thread as he stands out among the TP trolls as one of those poisonous idiots who insists on conflating Israel with “the Jews”.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:49 pmEye Opening articles how this started. NOT what You wouldTHINK
http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a1973.htm#002
http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a2449.htm#001
July 25th, 2007 at 3:50 pmMurdoch once “said he didn’t see what the Palestinians’ problem was.â€
yeah, that tends to happen when your heads up your @ss.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:50 pmWhat’s the Palestinians’ ‘problem’?
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Their problem is that they’ve embraced a death-cult mentality, they poison the minds of their children with insane, hatefilled propaganda and they have chosen an evil terrorist organization to lead them.
Comment by Ringo — July 25, 2007 @ 3:39 pm
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Oh yeah!
I forgot for a second, thanks.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:52 pmAny problem they may have is their own making.
Comment by Boudin Bob
That is a gorss simplification of a complicated problem.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:52 pmJingo will be all over this thread as he stands out among the TP trolls as one of those poisonous idiots who insists on conflating Israel with “the Jewsâ€.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
Anyone who criticizes Israel in any manner at all is automatically an anti-semite. Even if they’re Jewish, which is more than a little weird. Than, of course, the person is a self-hating Jew.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:52 pmJingo will be all over this thread as he stands out among the TP trolls as one of those poisonous idiots who insists on conflating Israel with “the Jewsâ€.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
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That’s right, we shouldn’t get Jews and Israel mixed up, every thinking person knows that one has nothing to do with the other.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:53 pmTheir problem is that they’ve embraced a death-cult mentality, they poison the minds of their children with insane, hatefilled propaganda and they have chosen an evil terrorist organization to lead them.
Comment by Ringo
Whilst Boudin Bob’s comment is an oversimplification, this is just ugly.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:54 pmI’m perfectly aware of the sociopolitical situation in Israel. Telling me that I’m such a fool because I don’t subscribe to your twisted idea of what the reality is is just so pathetic.
Comment by Boudin Bob — July 25, 2007 @ 3:46 pm
You have no idea what my views on the Israel/Palestinian situation might be, and I never asked you to subscribe to anything.
I suggested you might read about the “Palestinians’ problem.” You know, get another take on the situation.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:54 pmevery thinking person knows that one has nothing to do with the other.
Comment by Ringo — July 25, 2007 @ 3:53 pm
Every thinking person knows they are not the same thing.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:54 pmthat tends to happen when your heads up your @ss.
Comment by SGT Higgins
Why SGT, snarky snarky snark!
July 25th, 2007 at 3:55 pmYo Thrasymachos! How’s life today?
July 25th, 2007 at 3:55 pmJingo sez:
Every thinking person knows that one does not equal the other, your clumsy efforts to label everyone who disagrees with Israel’s policies as “anti-semetic” notwithstanding.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:56 pmComment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 25, 2007 @ 3:55 pm
I think this is the heterosexual TRoS! :)
July 25th, 2007 at 3:56 pmWhilst Boudin Bob’s comment is an oversimplification, this is just ugly.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
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Yes it is ugly, but sadly, it’s true: http://www.aetherometry.com/images/AS1-06/hamas_child_bombers.jpg
http://boortz.com/images/child_suicide_bomber.jpg
http://www.tc.umn.edu/~nahm0002/child_abuse.html
July 25th, 2007 at 3:56 pmThe Palestinians should just walk it off, let bygones be bygones and what not.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:56 pmIsrael is the only democratic, human rights respecting state.
Comment by Boudin Bob
Just out of curiosity, which human rights are they respecting when they refer to the Palestinians as “cockroaches” or confiscated people’s land in the past.
“A land without people for a people without land”? Hardly.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:58 pmYo Thrasymachos! How’s life today?
Comment by Boudin Bob — July 25, 2007 @ 3:55 pm
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Pretty good, I have some homework to do… you know, real world stuff (we’ll explain to the Lefties some other time).
How are you?
July 25th, 2007 at 3:58 pmBoudin Bob sez:
Exactly what the early Americans said about those heathen savage redskins. Repeating that mantra probably helped to assuage their guilty consciences as they distributed the smallpox-infested blankets.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:59 pm(we’ll explain to the Lefties some other time).
How are you?
Comment by Thrasymachos
Whatever “Lefties” do, we don’t get gussied up in our Greek outfits and march around the basement to the “Mickey Mouse Club Theme Song”.
**snicker… snicker** BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
July 25th, 2007 at 4:00 pmPretty good, I have some homework to do… you know, real world stuff (we’ll explain to the Lefties some other time).
Comment by Thrasymachos
Cleaning out your mom’s basement doesn’t really qualify as “homework.”
July 25th, 2007 at 4:00 pmOK, kids, I’ve got to go…got a lot of errands to run before i can go home…miles to go before I sleep and all that…
Keep up the good fight.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:01 pmRingo, do you really believe Israel with the 2nd largest military in the world with the political and miltary back of the largest military in the world would get wiped off the map by Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, and Syria. They are in a much better position then they were in 1967 defense wise. They have been bulldozing homes to create new Israeli settlements and killing Palenstians at will for over 40 years. Do you wonder why they may have little rage? Labeling them insane or hate filled does not solve things. Americans would respond in the same way if put under the same oppressive conditions. One Israeli gets killed its front page news in the US over a hundred Palestians get killed it only gets covered in Europe no American press will touch it. Jimmy Carter was right this situation is propaganda for Sunni muslims and there will be no resolution to the middle east without ending this occupation of Palestine. One can not fight terrorism it has no borders put one can end the oppression and marginalization that create terrorists.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:01 pmThrasymachos: Just kicking back. and watching the instruments, here.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:02 pmWhy SGT, snarky snarky snark!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
LOL Yeah, I’m in amood…it’s just outside of Philly.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:03 pmOne can not fight terrorism it has no borders put one can end the oppression and marginalization that create terrorists.
Comment by chad greenwaldt — July 25, 2007 @ 4:01 pm
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Let me guess…
You propose surrender!!!
July 25th, 2007 at 4:04 pmTheir problem is that they have a legitimate complaint about european z*ists that didnt belong in the middle east using human trafficing to pour huge numbers of foreigners who were racially and religiously bigoted into the middle of their land and pushing the arabs out… if this was done in America we would do far worse than suicide bombings to them to keep our homes. In addition to this the arabs themselves are racially and religiously bigoted… so Truman allowed a bunch of bigots to get mixed in with a bunch of other bigots who have been fighting to this day…
Why does the left care? Because of the original infraction where foreigners entered Palastine and started claiming it as theirs solely because of their religion…even thought they had no large foot print in that area for almost 2000 years.
If the Palastinians stoped the violence would the bigoted Israelis stop squatting on their land? Every year the Israelis move deeper and deeper into colonization… will this stop? America could stop them but who in the world would believe us if we said we would stop it if the Palastinians would stop the violence? Who would believe us any more?
July 25th, 2007 at 4:05 pmBoudin Bob: Cool, I see you’ve met Zooey’s new persona: Zehava.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:05 pmYou propose surrender!!!
I think they prefer to call it “negotiating with the opposition” or something lame like that.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:06 pmAmericans would respond in the same way if put under the same oppressive conditions…
Comment by chad greenwaldt
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Aside from the fact that your understanding of the history of the region is flawed, I can’t imagine any circustance where Americans would strap explosives onto their children and send them off to kill innocent people on a bus or kids in a pizza parlor.
Sorry, but that mentality comes from their Islamic faith and their Arab culture of revenge.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:06 pmGeez… haven’t you libs heard -
To victor, go the spoils!
July 25th, 2007 at 4:07 pmLet me guess…
You propose surrender!!!
Comment by Thrasymachos
Only dumbasses resign themselves to only two choices… I guess that is why you resign yourself to only two choices…
July 25th, 2007 at 4:07 pmOnly dumbasses resign themselves to only two choices… I guess that is why you resign yourself to only two choices…
Comment by Gerald Gibson — July 25, 2007 @ 4:07 pm
July 25th, 2007 at 4:08 pm——————-
Huh?
Yo Thrasymachos! How’s life today?
Comment by Boudin Bob — July 25, 2007 @ 3:55 pm
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Pretty good, I have some homework to do… you know, real world stuff (we’ll explain to the Lefties some other time).
How are you?
Comment by Thrasymachos
Apparently these two haven’t seen each other since 3rd period.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:08 pmSorry, but that mentality comes from their Islamic faith and their Arab culture of revenge.
Comment by Ringo
This is true. The Stern Gang was much more practical. They’d plant their explosives, like in the King David Hotel, and then make damn sure they were in a safe place miles away before calling in the news!
July 25th, 2007 at 4:09 pmHuh?
Comment by Thrasymachos
Exactly!
July 25th, 2007 at 4:09 pmCool, I see you’ve met Zooey’s new persona: Zehava.
Cool! I always appreciated the discussions I had with Zooey and I’m looking forward to continuing this tradition with Zehava.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:10 pmGeez… haven’t you libs heard -
To victor, go the spoils!
Comment by Thrasymachos
Really? Victor gets ‘em all. Makes me wish my parents had named me ‘Victor’. So is there one victor? Or do all the victors have to split it?
July 25th, 2007 at 4:10 pmExactly!
Comment by Gerald Gibson — July 25, 2007 @ 4:09 pm
July 25th, 2007 at 4:10 pm—————
What?
This is true. The Stern Gang was much more practical. They’d plant their explosives, like in the King David Hotel, and then make damn sure they were in a safe place miles away before calling in the news!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Ah, yes, but the Stern Gang were freedom fighters!
July 25th, 2007 at 4:11 pmReally? Victor gets ‘em all. Makes me wish my parents had named me ‘Victor’. So is there one victor? Or do all the victors have to split it?
Comment by SGT Higgins — July 25, 2007 @ 4:10 pm
July 25th, 2007 at 4:12 pm—————-
Just one.
What?
Comment by Thrasymachos
Indeed you have no clue because you have not read the facts but only repeat what you have heard from some other bigot…
July 25th, 2007 at 4:13 pmQuestion: Which country in the Middle East regularly violates the Geneva Convention by imposing collective punishment on entire towns, villages, and camps, for the acts of a few, and even goes as far as demolishing entire villages while people are still in their homes?
http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a109.htm
July 25th, 2007 at 4:13 pmQuestion: What country in the Middle East was cited by Amnesty International for demolishing more than 4000 innocent Palestinian homes as a means of ethnic cleansing?
http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a109.htm
July 25th, 2007 at 4:15 pmIndeed you have no clue because you have not read the facts but only repeat what you have heard from some other bigot…
Comment by Gerald Gibson — July 25, 2007 @ 4:13 pm
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oh ok
July 25th, 2007 at 4:15 pmWhich country in the Middle East receives U.S. weapons for free and then sells the technology to the Republic of China even at the objections of the U.S.?
http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a109.htm
July 25th, 2007 at 4:16 pmMr. T: I just wonder why ace isn’t filibustering this thread?
He should be really interested in this jooo related issue. After all, they are keeping him and the Truth down.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:16 pmWhich country in the Middle East deliberately targeted a U.N. Refugee Camp in Qana, Lebanon and killed 103 innocent men, women, and especially children?
http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a109.htm
July 25th, 2007 at 4:17 pmComment by Thrasymachos — July 25, 2007 @ 4:05 pm
Do you mind? I’m trying to avoid the thread clogging troll shit that seems to happen around that name. I would think you’d recognize that.
I am trying to consider my fellow TP commenters’ enjoyment of this blog.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:17 pmoh ok
Comment by Thrasymachos
This is why you people have NO CREDIBILITY after your past performance… You have loud mouths and thats it… you cant convince a reasonable person of anything because you dont know how to think reasonably.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:17 pmHomework, boys! Off you go!
July 25th, 2007 at 4:17 pmMr. B: I think that Chris L is on filibuster duty today.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:18 pmAh, yes, but the Stern Gang were freedom fighters!
Comment by gummitch
Now, Tim McVeigh knew how to make things blow up, but he just wasn’t very good at getting away.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:18 pmWhat country in the Middle East employed a spy, Jonathan Pollard, to steal classified documents and then gave some of them to the Soviet Union?
What country at first denied any official connection to Pollard, then voted to make him a citizen and has continuously demanded that the American president grant Pollard a full pardon?
http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a109.htm
July 25th, 2007 at 4:18 pmMr. T: I just wonder why ace isn’t filibustering this thread?
He should be really interested in this jooo related issue. After all, they are keeping him and the Truth down.
Comment by Boudin Bob
Nice try. Avoid Chris L’s points (among others) and try to derail the topic by one of your accusations of anti-semitism. Pitiful troll.
Piss-soaked troll is the term, I think.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:19 pmThis is why you people have NO CREDIBILITY after your past performance… You have loud mouths and thats it… you cant convince a reasonable person of anything because you dont know how to think reasonably.
Comment by Gerald Gibson — July 25, 2007 @ 4:17 pm
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Me?
July 25th, 2007 at 4:19 pmHomework, boys! Off you go!
Comment by Egreggious
Might as well get started, you’re not eating ’til it’s done.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:19 pm#
Mr. B: I think that Chris L is on filibuster duty today.
Comment by Thrasymachos — July 25, 2007 @ 4:18 pm
#
I know. Derailing and filibustering is generally your game.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:20 pmI am trying to consider my fellow TP commenters’ enjoyment of this blog.
Fair enough. I won’t bother you then.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:20 pmSo is there one victor? Or do all the victors have to split it?
Comment by SGT Higgins — July 25, 2007 @ 4:10 pm
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Just one.
Comment by Thrasymachos
And if I change my name to Victor? Can I be ‘THE’ Victor, you know, the one that gets the spoiled..i mean spoils?
July 25th, 2007 at 4:21 pmWhat country in the Middle East blew up an American diplomatic facility in Egypt and attacked a U.S. ship, the USS Liberty, in international waters, killing 34 and wounding 171 American sailors?
http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a109.htm
July 25th, 2007 at 4:21 pmMr. B: I think that Chris L is on filibuster duty today.
Ah yes. I see. I was hoping that that spammer had been permanently banned from TP.
Well, at least Chris L has kept the posts short so far.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:22 pmSo is there one victor? Or do all the victors have to split it?
Comment by SGT Higgins — July 25, 2007 @ 4:10 pm
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Just one.
Comment by Thrasymachos
And if I change my name to Victor? Can I be ‘THE’ Victor, you know, the one that gets the spoiled..i mean spoils?
Comment by SGT Higgins — July 25, 2007 @ 4:21 pm
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July 25th, 2007 at 4:22 pmThere’s more to being victorious than a name.
Saying that you are not anti-Jew, just anti-Israel is like saying, ” I don’t hate the French, I just hate France”.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:23 pm#105: Oh! Oh! Oh! Let me answer that, Chris L!
It was the Joooos!
July 25th, 2007 at 4:23 pmWell, at least Chris L has kept the posts short so far.
Comment by Boudin Bob — July 25, 2007 @ 4:22 pm
July 25th, 2007 at 4:23 pm———————
Give him a chance, he’s still learning.
Well, at least Chris L has kept the posts short so far.
Comment by Boudin Bob
And you can continue to ignore the fact that his posts are relevant and yours are not.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:23 pmSaying that you are not anti-Jew, just anti-Israel is like saying, †I don’t hate the French, I just hate Franceâ€.
Comment by Ringo — July 25, 2007 @ 4:23 pm
Dude, that is soooo weak.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:24 pmFair enough. I won’t bother you then.
Comment by Boudin Bob
I’m not talking about you in particular.
There are others who, urged on by Mr Pee, literally clog up threads with idiot crap focused around my other name. It needs to stop, and this is the only thing I could think of, barring leaving completely. I’ve been here 2 years, and I’m not giving TP up to the blithering idiots.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:24 pmExactly what the early Americans said about those heathen savage redskins. Repeating that mantra probably helped to assuage their guilty consciences as they distributed the smallpox-infested blankets.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 25, 2007 @ 3:59 pm
Too bad the Native Americans didn’t know about our Manifest Destiny.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:25 pm#111: His posts are invariably off-topic and anti-semitic. No wonder you lefties like him here.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:25 pmI’ve been here 2 years, and I’m not giving TP up to the blithering idiots.
Comment by Zehava
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Then stop blithering.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:25 pmAnd you can continue to ignore the fact that his posts are relevant and yours are not.
Comment by gummitch — July 25, 2007 @ 4:23 pm
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Oh.
So if I found articles about Islamo-Fascists/terrorism, and then posted an excerpt and a link, that too would be relevant?
July 25th, 2007 at 4:27 pmThen stop blithering.
Comment by Ringo
You first, troll.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:29 pmThere are others who, urged on by Mr Pee, literally clog up threads with idiot crap focused around my other name. It needs to stop, and this is the only thing I could think of, barring leaving completely. I’ve been here 2 years, and I’m not giving TP up to the blithering idiots.
Comment by Zehava — July 25, 2007 @ 4:24 pm
July 25th, 2007 at 4:29 pm——————————
What are talking about? I never urged r or CT or Flaco to say anything to you.
#111: His posts are invariably off-topic and anti-semitic. No wonder you lefties like him here.
Comment by Boudin Bob
Nice try. What is off-topic about these posts? And what is anti-semitic?
Instead of broad and irrelevant generalizations which do nothing to advance a discussion, why not respond to these specific posts? Is it simply because you have no response?
July 25th, 2007 at 4:29 pmSo if I found articles about Islamo-Fascists/terrorism, and then posted an excerpt and a link, that too would be relevant?
Comment by Thrasymachos — July 25, 2007 @ 4:27 pm
If there was such a thing as an Islamo-Fascist, you might be getting closer to relevancy.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:29 pmIt was the Joooos!
Comment by Boudin Bob
That’s nice.
Not.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:31 pmThen stop blithering.
Comment by Ringo
(Ringo talking to himself, again…)
July 25th, 2007 at 4:31 pmWhat country in the Middle East blew up an American diplomatic facility in Egypt and attacked a U.S. ship, the USS Liberty, in international waters, killing 34 and wounding 171 American sailors?
http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a109.htm
My wife’s uncle was on that ship. There’s a class action lawsuit in the works. I just read about it this summer.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:31 pmIf there was such a thing as an Islamo-Fascist, you might be getting closer to relevancy.
Comment by Egreggious
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I prefer the term IslamoNazi: http://www.cornermark.com/hiddenfolder/enemies/hezbollah_hamas_nazi_salute.jpg
http://www.openfire.us/blog/archives/images/2004/hezbollahnazis.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/a_i_l_i_info/hezbollahnazis2.jpg
July 25th, 2007 at 4:32 pmSo if I found articles about Islamo-Fascists/terrorism, and then posted an excerpt and a link, that too would be relevant?
Comment by Thrasymachos
Find an article ANYWHERE, other than by someone like Michael Weiner or Bill O’Reilly, that is a meaningful explanation of ISLAMO-FASCIST, please.
“Who’s the leader of the club…”
July 25th, 2007 at 4:33 pm#122: Hey! Don’t blame me for that! Have you read ace’s/Chris L’s posts? He’s always talking about fscked up conspiracies run by the Jews.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:33 pmI prefer the term IslamoNazi: http://www.cornermark.com/ hiddenfolder/ enemies/ hezbollah_hamas_nazi_salute.jpg
http://www.openfire.us/ blog/ archives/ images/ 2004/ hezbollahnazis.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/ a_i_l_i_info/ hezbollahnazis2.jpg
Comment by Ringo
Aw shucks, they’d have made Old Prescott proud!
July 25th, 2007 at 4:34 pmOh.
So if I found articles about Islamo-Fascists/terrorism, and then posted an excerpt and a link, that too would be relevant?
Comment by Thrasymachos
If you had any understanding of the Middle East deeper than your bizarre belief that Jerusalem is part of Europe, you’d understand that a discussion about the Palestinians is necessarily tied to Israel and its foreign and domestic policies. And that Chris L’s posts are in direct response to the claim that Israel is the bastion of freedom and democracy in the Middle East and the Palestinians a bunch of whiners.
So, no, it would not be relevant.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:34 pmComment by Ringo — July 25, 2007 @ 4:32 pm
Well, that proves a lot.
I’m reminded that Americans used to pledge allegiance to the flag the same way before Hitler made it unfashionable.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:35 pmAny problem they may have is their own making.
Comment by Boudin Bob
That is a gorss simplification of a complicated problem.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 25, 2007 @ 3:52 pm
This must be name stealing. This response was much to restrained to be made by The Republic of Stupidity.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:35 pmComment by Zehava — July 25, 2007 @ 4:24 pm
Thrasy, Flaco, Boudin Bob and others are enriching Thinkprogress.org as you speak. I think you should respect diversity. What are you, some kind of ____phobic plumb?
Who dat?
July 25th, 2007 at 4:37 pmYou libs just don’t get it. The palestinians are terrorists, all muslim terrorists. They get what they deserve.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:37 pmSo, no, it would not be relevant.
Comment by gummitch — July 25, 2007 @ 4:34 pm
July 25th, 2007 at 4:38 pm—————————–
So maybe he should get back on topic then… you know… how it sucks to be a Palestinian!
Thrasy kicks a*s.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:38 pmKicked out like the Jews were kicked out of the Arab/Muslim countries. At least the Palestinians have their own UN Refugee agency. At leas Suha Arafat still gets $100,000 a month from the PA. At least no Arab government really cares about the Palestinians. Yawn.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:39 pmReally? Victor gets ‘em all. Makes me wish my parents had named me ‘Victor’. So is there one victor? Or do all the victors have to split it?
Comment by SGT Higgins — July 25, 2007 @ 4:10 pm
There is only one Victor, obviously. Victor von Doom.
And even Latveria had it better than Palestine.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:39 pmI’m reminded that Americans used to pledge allegiance to the flag the same way before Hitler made it unfashionable.
Comment by Egreggious
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Hitler didn’t make it unfashionable for everyone:
http://home.comcast.net/~jimsondergeld/Hitler_Uber_Allah.jpg
And remember that ‘Mein Kampf’ is still one of the best selling books not only in the Arab world but throughout the entire Muslim world…In fact the translated title is ‘My Jihad’.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:41 pmmost muslims are faggots anyway.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:41 pmIf there was such a thing as an Islamo-Fascist, you might be getting closer to relevancy.
Comment by Egreggious — July 25, 2007 @ 4:29 pm
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You’ve never heard of Islamo-Fascism?
Check the O.E.D.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:41 pmStillGotMyWsticker,
Sod off Swampy!
July 25th, 2007 at 4:42 pmSo maybe he should get back on topic then… you know… how it sucks to be a Palestinian!
Comment by Thrasymachos
Or maybe you could read something other than “Philosophy for Dummies.”
Not likely, I know.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:43 pmComment by Ringo — July 25, 2007 @ 4:41 pm
Isn’t that Ann Coulter in that burqa?
She is such a ham!
July 25th, 2007 at 4:43 pmSaying that you are not anti-Jew, just anti-Israel is like saying, †I don’t hate the French, I just hate Franceâ€.
Comment by Ringo — July 25, 2007 @ 4:23 pm
Only if all the Jews in the world were automatically Israeli citizens.
I’m betting Israel would be real happy to see all of the American jews lining up to join the (israeli) obligatory military service. Can’t have your cake and eat it, too.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:44 pmThere’s more to being victorious than a name.
Comment by Thrasymachos
then what you meant was “to (the) victor(s) go the spoils”
July 25th, 2007 at 4:45 pmCuz that’s not what you said.
Mmm…. you’ve got to love these blonde GOP broads. Sara, Monica, Ann. They just rock!
July 25th, 2007 at 4:45 pmhttp://jewishtribalreview.org/cha.htm
THE CHABAD LUBAVITCHERS
http://www.illuminati-news.com/2007/0722a.htm
July 25th, 2007 at 4:46 pmThrasymachos:
“The Palestinians should just walk it off, let bygones be bygones and what not.”
Would you also then suggest that America back off from Al Queda and “let bygones be bygones and what not” or, no, I think I know. You would rather have them invade a completely irrelevant country. Speaking of which…
Ringo:
“I can’t imagine any circustance where Americans would strap explosives onto their children and send them off to kill innocent people on a bus or kids in a pizza parlor.”
How do you explain what we are doing in Iraq? Oh yeah… “collateral” is it?
July 25th, 2007 at 4:46 pmthen what you meant was “to (the) victor(s) go the spoilsâ€
Cuz that’s not what you said.
Comment by SGT Higgins — July 25, 2007 @ 4:45 pm
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July 25th, 2007 at 4:46 pmYup.
Hey! Don’t blame me for that! Have you read ace’s/Chris L’s posts? He’s always talking about fscked up conspiracies run by the Jews.
Comment by Boudin Bob
You said it. Take responsibility for yourself!
Chris and ace will take responsibility for themselves.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:46 pmComment by Zehava
y’know, I don’t know why, but every time I see a ‘Z’ in a name, I get all giddy.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:47 pmComment by Zehava — July 25, 2007 @ 4:46 pm
You’re such a troll, Zehera. I sometimes don’t know what to think of you anymore….
July 25th, 2007 at 4:48 pmYou’ve never heard of Islamo-Fascism?
Check the O.E.D.
Comment by Thrasymachos
Good idea. And guess what word is NOT in the OED?
Islamo-Stalinism
So now you can stop using that. Thanks for the suggestion.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:48 pmTheir problem is that they’ve embraced a death-cult mentality
When you’re surrounded by death 24/7, the “death-cult mentality†is only rational.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 25, 2007 @ 3:42 pm
Mr. TripMaster Monkey,
Your post clearly shows that you DO agree that the Palestinians have a “death cult mentalityâ€. And you even support it as rational, based on their surroundings.
Interesting.
Do all TPers agree.
Doesn’t that take away a lot of the argument against Israel – look who they’re up against – a bunch of death-culters.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:48 pmComment by Thrasymachos — July 25, 2007 @ 4:41 pm
I don’t have the O.E.D. at hand.
Definition and etymology please.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:49 pmComment by Olyessia — July 25, 2007 @ 4:46 pm
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Damn!….Yoooos crazy!
July 25th, 2007 at 4:50 pmr,
Is that satire? We had better ask the TPers.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:50 pmEgreggious:
It is interesting to note that the second reference is to the National Review. I don’t know enough about the Independent to speculate on their politics, but it doesn’t surprise me to see the National Review coining words to support their own agenda.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:52 pmy’know, I don’t know why, but every time I see a ‘Z’ in a name, I get all giddy.
Comment by SGT Higgins
Hmmm, imagine that…
July 25th, 2007 at 4:53 pmy’know, I don’t know why, but every time I see a ‘Z’ in a name, I get all giddy.
Comment by SGT Higgins
Hmmm, imagine that…
Comment by Zehava
I just fall asleep . . .
July 25th, 2007 at 4:54 pmComment by Thrasymachos — July 25, 2007 @ 4:50 pm
You’re supposed to be keeping the temperature right, the coffee warm, the computer fast, and the dissent non-existent for the great Zahera.
Why would you disobey her orders? It’s all about and for Zahera. Update the outlook of your life to reflect that.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:54 pmComment by Egreggious — July 25, 2007 @ 4:49 pm
Islamo-Stalinism: synthesis of the most retarded aspects of the Islam-loving Left and Stalinism.
Islamo-Stalinist: means a Leftist like yourself who’s an apologist for Muslims and makes every excuse for them.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:55 pmAlso known as a Dhimmi.
Definitions by PRIMVS INTER PARES, The Joker. ©
Comment by gummitch — July 25, 2007 @ 4:52 pm
Thanks, gummitch. I was expecting something a little closer to the definition of “gnome” or “tooth fairy”.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:55 pmI just fall asleep . . .
Comment by gummitch
lmao what? are you narcoleptic?
July 25th, 2007 at 4:55 pmPoor gummitch:
*reading*
‘comment by Zo—*snore*
Please don’t ignore me, Zahera. I’m you’re biggest fan.
ZAHERA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 25th, 2007 at 4:56 pmDo all TPers agree.
On the subject that all Palestinians have a “death cult mentality”, I respectfully disagree with TMM. I think it’s a minority of Palestinians, not all of them.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:56 pmComment by Thrasymachos — July 25, 2007 @ 4:55 pm
It’s imperative that we have more Muslims in NoVa.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:57 pmit doesn’t surprise me to see the National Review coining words to support their own agenda.
Comment by gummitch
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Kind of like academia inventing words like ‘Islamophobic’ to discredit anyone who believes that fundamentalist Islam is incompatable with Western values.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:58 pmOn the subject that all Palestinians have a “death cult mentalityâ€, I respectfully disagree with TMM. I think it’s a minority of Palestinians, not all of them.
Comment by Luis M — July 25, 2007 @ 4:56 pm
I think “death cult mentality” is kind of a loaded and ambiguous phrase.
But I would say, like the IRA in Ireland, or the Native Americans fighting European colonization, there is certainly the idea that one’s homeland is worth dying for.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:00 pm“Death Cult” is simply yet another term that the Right Wing has come up with to demonize yet another population that they seek to destroy on the DL. It sounds retarded to most, but I bet it scares enough people to make them feel justified in its usage. I think “terrorist” serves this purpose well enough, but what do I know… I guess some people need evil cartoony sounding characters to be afraid of.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:00 pmDo all TPers agree?
On the subject that all Palestinians have a “death cult mentalityâ€, I respectfully disagree with TMM. I think it’s a minority of Palestinians, not all of them.
Comment by Luis M — July 25, 2007 @ 4:56 p
Good for you Luis M, that makes 1 out of tens of TPers that would prefer to distance from the TripMaster Monkeys slur. I’m sure there will be others.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:01 pmMeru foundation proposed holistic/ecology solution to miideast and fundamentalist
thinking problem
Three pillars of love
http://www.meru.org/Newsletter/3pillarsoflove.html
July 25th, 2007 at 5:01 pmI just fall asleep . . .
Comment by gummitch
I should patent that…
July 25th, 2007 at 5:02 pmGeez, I think even the trolls are ignoring me…
I wonder if I should leave TP altogether?
July 25th, 2007 at 5:02 pm“Death Cult†is simply yet another term that the Right Wing has come up with to demonize yet another population that they seek to destroy on the DL.
Comment by J — July 25, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
Substitute “Islamo-Fascist”, if you like.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:02 pmthere is certainly the idea that one’s homeland is worth dying for.
Comment by Egreggious
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Is ones homeland worth strapping a bomb onto you child and sending him off to kill other children?
http://jewschool.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/child_suicide_bomber.jpg
July 25th, 2007 at 5:02 pmComment by Egreggious — July 25, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
Comment by J — July 25, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
I refer you to the second definition:
July 25th, 2007 at 5:03 pmhttp://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/murdoch-whats-the-palestinians-problem/#comment-3962105
Comment by Ringo — July 25, 2007 @ 5:02 pm
Apparently to some it is.
I do not defend this tactic.
And I do not condemn the entire Palestine population because someone in that population chooses to use this tactic.
I do not condemn all Americans for the actions of one abortion-clinic bomber either.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:06 pmWell, with a tally of five posters (trolls and non-trolls), I will do just that without any name-changes. That’s right, I’ll leave the TP.org commentary section entirely.
So how many commenters would like to vote me away? Again, it only takes five of you.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:09 pm“Death Cult†is simply yet another term that the Right Wing has come up with to demonize yet another population that they seek to destroy on the DL. It sounds retarded to most, but I bet it scares enough people to make them feel justified in its usage. I think “terrorist†serves this purpose well enough, but what do I know… I guess some people need evil cartoony sounding characters to be afraid of.
Comment by J — July 25, 2007 @ 5:00 pm
J suggests replacing Death Cult, with the less evil cartoony sounding “terroristâ€. Ok.
I’ll make the sub.
J thinks it’s better to say:
Their problem is that they’ve embraced terrorists.
When you’re surrounded by death 24/7, the “terrorist mentality†is only rational.
Comment by j
J rationalizes terrorism. Oops.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:09 pmGood for you Luis M, that makes 1 out of tens of TPers that would prefer to distance from the TripMaster Monkeys slur. I’m sure there will be others.
Comment by r — July 25, 2007 @ 5:01 pm
What “slur”?
And you even support it as rational, based on their surroundings.
Comment by r — July 25, 2007 @ 4:48 pm
I also think it’s a rational decision. Rationalization doesn’t equal justification. You can understand the logical reasoning behind a decision and still abhor that decision. Well, intelligent people can, anyways.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:11 pmSomeone is name-jacking CT?
July 25th, 2007 at 5:12 pmKind of like academia inventing words like ‘Islamophobic’ to discredit anyone who believes that fundamentalist Islam is incompatable with Western values.
Comment by Ringo
Except the word “islamophobia” dates back at least to 1976 and defined the atttitude of some people toward others who had anything good to say about the Koran.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:13 pmSubstitute “Islamo-Fascistâ€, if you like.
Comment by Egreggious — July 25, 2007 @ 5:02 pm
Egreggious suggests replacing Death Cult, with Islamo-Fascist. Ok.
I’ll make the sub.
Egreggious thinks :
Their problem is that they’ve embraced Islamo-Fascist.
When you’re surrounded by death 24/7, the “Islamo-Fascist†is only rational.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 25, 2007 @ 3:42 pm
Egreggious rationalizes Islamo-Fascist. Oops.
If we could just take Luis M’s lead and reject the whole business, rather than trying to put a nice name on it.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:13 pmComment by Thrasymachos — July 25, 2007 @ 5:03 pm
And I respectfully refer you to the first definition:
http://wordnet.princeton.edu
July 25th, 2007 at 5:14 pmIf we could just take Luis M’s lead and reject the whole business, rather than trying to put a nice name on it.
Comment by r — July 25, 2007 @ 5:13 pm
Of course, I also think that “Shock and Awe” was a terrorist act. Like carpet-bombing Afghanistan. Or cluster-bombing Lebanon. Or shrapnel-filled (not sure about the spelling?) missiles sent to Israel.
Or sniping away at civilians (unarmed, innocent civilians) in Fallujah and similar Iraqi cities.
In my eyes, they’re the same level of atrocities.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:18 pmComment by r — July 25, 2007 @ 5:13 pm
Apparently my comment was ambiguous.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:18 pmr
See, that does sound more effective now doesn’t it? However, I do not rationalize terrorism in any way as you have inferred, but I am left to suppose that you prefer “State-sponsored” to get your own kicks?
July 25th, 2007 at 5:18 pmExcept the word “islamophobia†dates back at least to 1976 and defined the atttitude of some people toward others who had anything good to say about the Koran.
Comment by gummitch
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Phobia – A mental disorder exemplified by an irrational, persistent fear of certain situations, objects, activities, or persons.
So is someone who disagrees with the basic tenants of Islam irrational or suffering from a mental disorder ?
The word was invented to insinuate that those of a differing opinion with regards to Islam are actually mentally ill.
It’s a bogus word.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:21 pmhttp://wordnet.princeton.edu
Comment by J — July 25, 2007 @ 5:14 pm
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There is no definition here…
July 25th, 2007 at 5:21 pmIt’s a bogus word.
Comment by Ringo — July 25, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
I’m glad you recognize the concept of “bogus” words.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:29 pmOh, no, Luis M might be going back.
What “slur�
And you even support it as rational, based on their surroundings.
Comment by r — July 25, 2007 @ 4:48 pm
I also think it’s a rational decision. Rationalization doesn’t equal justification. You can understand the logical reasoning behind a decision and still abhor that decision. Well, intelligent people can, anyways.
Comment by Luis M — July 25, 2007 @ 5:11 pm
J adds:
See, that does sound more effective now doesn’t it? However, I do not rationalize terrorism in any way as you have inferred, but I am left to suppose that you prefer “State-sponsored†to get your own kicks?
Comment by J — July 25, 2007 @ 5:18 pm
Kicks? Where did that come from?
We agree – Terrorists are bad. Individual or state.
TripMaster Monkey said:
When Palestinians are surrounded by death 24/7, the “death-cult / terrorist / Islamo-Fascist mentality†is only rational.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 25, 2007 @ 3:42 pm
So they are what they are, and we just have to live with it?
It’s rational?
This is where we can say NO. It’s not ok! Who’s behind me?
Anybody?
July 25th, 2007 at 5:33 pm-phobia suff. An intense, abnormal, or illogical fear of a specified thing.
That’s my dictionary anyway.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:34 pmr,
I say: DOWN WITH ISLAMO-FASCISM!!!
July 25th, 2007 at 5:36 pmWell, I see this thread has been derailed by the dishonest trolls who avoid the question at hand. Namely, do the Palestinians have a case against Israel? And you bet they do.
Why isn’t Israel a secular state? The US moans about Islamic states and considers it an affront to Freedom. But a Jewish state? That’s okay.
When Israeli settlers were forced to leave, first the Sinai, and then Gaza, the IDF destroyed their homes and businesses. What was that all about? A kind of scorched earth policy?
Why doesn’t Israel just annex the occupied terratories and make all Palestinians citizens? It could work. The reason they don’t is that they’d have to offer justice before the courts to all those Palestinians who have had their land stolen.
Israel is a failed state. I does not meet international standards in the area of human rights. It engages in ethnic cleansing and what would be termed ‘apartheid’ in South Africa. Indeed, many Israeli journalists do call it apartheid.
The idea of a Jewish state is fundamentally misguided. It flies in the face of modern political theory. What is needed is a secular state and a Truth & Reconciliation Commission.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:37 pmBoy, the trolls sure are obnoxious on this thread.
They chatter on and on and on about nothing! Useless tools!
The Palestinians use suicide bombing to attack Israel because they have no other method with which to retaliate.
If you think it is wrong to attack innocent bytanders in a war (of occupation), be aware that Israel and the U.S. both kill many innocents in our wars. I happen to think it IS wrong, but I also disagree with Israel destroying whole villiages (collective punishment) for the transgressions of a few. Imagine us bombing Timothy McVeigh’s hometown, since they were the ones ‘harboring’ him!
What Israel is doing is ethnically cleansing the Palestinians from the land.
Now, all you ‘tough’, right-wing warmongers:
If some group comes and steals land that you and your family own, and have lived on for hundreds of years do you slink off quietly, or do you fight? Well, the Palestinians (some of them anyway) have chosen to fight, is that so hard to understand?
As a proud Liberal, I support the right of Israel to exist, BUT NOT IF THE PALESTINIANS ARE GOING TO BE EXPELLED.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:40 pmSpeaking of “derailed”…
There is no definition here…
Comment by Thrasymachos — July 25, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
Answer A: Well, that depends on the definition of “definition”, then.
Answer B: It was intended to be a link to a word describing your contribution to the thread which would have, in turn, given you ammo to expose another “hypocritical lefty” being insensitive to the cultural differences of those with mental challenges; however my ommission of the actual link ends up making me the “retard”, so I digress.
Now back on topic:
r,
“We agree – Terrorists are bad. Individual or state.”
Excellent! So you are now denouncing the state sponsored terrorism of Israel against the Palestinians or the Americans against Iraqis.
Now we are getting somewhere!
July 25th, 2007 at 5:46 pmFor a man with no allegiance to any one government or country, it’s probably fair to say Murdoch simply doesn’t understand. For everyone else, however, this should be a no-brainer. Imagine instead of Palestine, the mass exodus of Jews were relocated to Texas. Think a few Texans might be upset about losing their land?
July 25th, 2007 at 5:48 pmSo they are what they are, and we just have to live with it? It’s rational? This is where we can say NO. It’s not ok! Who’s behind me? Anybody?
Comment by r — July 25, 2007 @ 5:33 pm
“Rational” does not equal “it’s ok and we have to live with it”.
“Rational” means they’re doing it for a reason. The problem lies with finding what that reason is, and doing something about it. Thinking that all of them are killing themselves just because “they’re evil” is stupid and useless and will get you nowhere closer to a solution.
Terrorism is not ok. No one is arguing otherwise. Appeasing terrorists is not ok, either. I’m pretty sure no one here loves Al-Qaeda or cheers for bin Laden, as some trolls have claimed.
Killing all muslims to end the terrorist acts of some of them, is not ok. Blowing up buildings with civilians inside of them, just to get an enemy or two, is not ok. “Acceptable losses”, aren’t. “Collateral damage” is not ok, and will only augment the problem.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:51 pmI had a cultural geography professor say once about the common complaint that Palestinians must be crazy because of the suicide bombings well, ” if they had missiles they would use missiles.” Palestinians in their current state see no future for them or their children thus it is seen as a justification for the bombings. I think it shows the resilency of the people to not embrace Hamas and its tactics in the face of Israeli agression for 40 years until this year. I’m not pro-Israel and I’m not pro-Palestine but I do believe that it is finally time for Israel to lead as they are the most dominate physical presence of the two countries. This does not mean surrender but perpetual war enslaves both sides.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:52 pmI wonder if Murdoch doesn’t know because Fox doesn’t report on it from the Palestinian perspective or they don’t report on it because he doesn’t care.
Or there’s more money in it for them not to… hmm..
July 25th, 2007 at 5:52 pmhowever my ommission of the actual link ends up making me the “retard 
Comment by J — July 25, 2007 @ 5:46 pm
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July 25th, 2007 at 5:53 pmoh, ok.
Just to answer on of the “very minor points that seems to be a real hot buttonâ€, I read that the Israelis destroyed the homes and shops on their way out to reduce the potential cover for potential attacking (rocket firing) Palestinians.
It was a security issue – not a petty spite issue.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:53 pmFor a man with no allegiance to any one government or country, it’s probably fair to say Murdoch simply doesn’t understand. For everyone else, however, this should be a no-brainer. Imagine instead of Palestine, the mass exodus of Jews were relocated to Texas. Think a few Texans might be upset about losing their land?
Comment by J Lewd — July 25, 2007 @ 5:48 pm
If only the Jews history had been in Texas instead of the Middle East. Guess god didn’t plan that one too well.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:57 pm“It was a security issue – not a petty spite issue.”
All’s fair in Love with War.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:58 pmWhat difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy?
-Gandhi
July 25th, 2007 at 6:00 pmchad greenwaldt,
Ghandi was an idiot.
Gandhi urged the British to surrender to the Nazis, and recommended that instead of fighting back, both Czechs and Jews should have committed mass suicide (death wish, anyone?). In 1946, with full knowledge of the extent of the Holocaust, Gandhi told his biographer Louis Fisher, “The Jews should have offered themselves to the butcher’s knife. They should have thrown themselves into the sea from cliffs.â€
July 25th, 2007 at 6:07 pmhttp://www.endgamethebook.org/Excerpts/25%20-%20Pacifism%20I%20pt3.html
Ghandi and the Jews: http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/004247.html
July 25th, 2007 at 6:13 pmRingo,
“Ghandi was an idiot.
Gandhi urged the British to surrender to the Nazis, and recommended that instead of fighting back, both Czechs and Jews should have committed mass suicide (death wish, anyone?). ”
That would have also followed the teachings of Christ (turning the other cheek) and would have potentially led us away from the situation we currently find ourselves re: the Middle East. Can we get you on record calling Jesus and idiot?
July 25th, 2007 at 6:13 pman
July 25th, 2007 at 6:14 pmGhandi was an idiot.
Comment by Ringo
No, Ghandi was a pacifist and morally consistent in his pacifism. Unlike, for instance, “right to life” supporters who encourage war and the death penalty.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:16 pmJ,
Collective suicide would not be something that Christ would have advocated.
And when Jesus spoke of turning the other cheek, he was referring to the individual, not to entire nations or ethnic groups.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:20 pmAnd when Jesus spoke of turning the other cheek, he was referring to the individual, not to entire nations or ethnic groups.
Comment by Ringo — July 25, 2007 @ 6:20 pm
Jesus came to me last night and told me the same thing.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:24 pmUnless I am mistaken “entire nations and ethnic groups” are made up of individuals…
I don’t recall the passage where He says “Turn the other cheek unless there are more than on of you, then you can kick their ass.”
July 25th, 2007 at 6:26 pmI don’t recall the passage where He says “Turn the other cheek unless there are more than on of you, then you can kick their ass.â€
Comment by J —
Nice.
I’m always fascinated to watch a wingnut try to rationalize the teachings of Jesus into an argument in favor of war. You can always count on them to bring in Matthew 10 and the “sword” he brings as a rationale for violence.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:33 pm#198
Killing all Muslims to end the terrorist acts of some of them, is not ok. Blowing up buildings with civilians inside of them, just to get an enemy or two, is not ok. “Acceptable lossesâ€, aren’t. “Collateral damage†is not ok, and will only augment the problem.
Comment by Luis M — July 25, 2007 @ 5:51 pm
Don’t get a big head, but you’re the most reasonable person I’ve encountered here. You probably don’t belong – joking.
The last para intrigues me the most, “Killing all Muslimsâ€. We agree that there’s no point in that. We didn’t have to kill all Japanese or Germans. It’s the “bad ones†that we need to kill. But to counter your point, I think the reason we don’t win wars anymore, is we don’t make the enemy realize that its options are Unconditional Surrender or Death. And if that involves civilian populations as it did in WWI and WWII. That’s war.
I hope that doesn’t make me a bad person. The end of WWII wasn’t pretty. We dropped the stinkin’ Bomb! for crying out loud But at least we won.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:34 pmSaying that you are not anti-Jew, just anti-Israel is like saying, †I don’t hate the French, I just hate Franceâ€.
Comment by Ringo
Its nothing like that. Jew != Israel… Israeli = Israel… Jew = race/religion.
And you expect us to take you seriously?
Israel didnt exist until it was artificially created in the 1948… So until there were people born under that flag there was no such thing as an Israeli… Rome dispersed the Israelis 2000 years ago. The NEW Israelis were born in the 1950s on… Some of these Israelis are arabs and not Jews at all. Which makes the NON democratic nature of Israel stand out even more because they call it a Jewish state as if all others are less than them… ie they disagree with “All men are created equal” which is a central understanding of the American style democracy.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:50 pmDon’t get a big head, but you’re the most reasonable person I’ve encountered here. You probably don’t belong – joking.
Heh. Give me time, I’m new here.
But to counter your point, I think the reason we don’t win wars anymore, is we don’t make the enemy realize that its options are Unconditional Surrender or Death. And if that involves civilian populations as it did in WWI and WWII. That’s war.
Well, here’s where we disagree. The war against the Talibans was something pretty much well defined: get the Talibans to surrender. Same thing with the war against the Regime of Saddam Hussein.
But I think the fight against Al Qaeda is not a “war” that can be won by military means. How will you know that you can stop shooting and dropping bombs on the population? There’s never gonna be a white flag of surrender; there’s never gonna be a way of knowing that no one in the whole country belongs to Al Qaeda; there’s never gonna be a point in time when the US can say “Ok boys, pack it in, we’ve won, let’s go back home”.
What it takes is international cooperation, investigation, finding ways to remove Al Qaeda’s means of funding and recruiting terrorists.
And… to get back to the topic… the Israel-Palestine situation has been used, and will be used, by Al Qaeda, as an excuse to recruit more followers. Fix the situation (somehow… ) and you’ll be hurting the Al Qaeda organization as much as by blowing them up in the hills.
Well… that’s what I think, anyway.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:09 pmSorry… I messed up the tags in my latest post… it was supposed to be a quote by Zoom in, and my reply to that quote.
But to counter your point, I think the reason we don’t win wars anymore, is we don’t make the enemy realize that its options are Unconditional Surrender or Death. And if that involves civilian populations as it did in WWI and WWII. That’s war.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:11 pmComment by Zoom in — July 25, 2007 @ 6:34 pm
The end of WWII wasn’t pretty. We dropped the stinkin’ Bomb! for crying out loud But at least we won.
Comment by Zoom in
It was a foregone conclusion that Japan had already been defeated BEFORE we dropped the A-bomb. We didn’t need to do that to “defeat the enemy”.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:58 pmMurdoch: What’s the Palestinians’ ‘problem’?
That’s a pretty good question considering this is the only post here concerning them that anyone can remember.
July 26th, 2007 at 8:13 amNice try. What is off-topic about these posts? And what is anti-semitic?
Instead of broad and irrelevant generalizations which do nothing to advance a discussion, why not respond to these specific posts? Is it simply because you have no response?
Comment by gummitch — July 25, 2007 @ 4:29 pm
That’s an east one, gummitch. Conflating the STATE of Israel with the RELIGION of Judaism allows those who want to see a STATE continue with illegal, immoral and internationally disdained actions to use a RELIGION as a human shield to cover for their crimes.
Israel = A sovereign country with a large population of Jews
Judaism = An ancient religion with members around the entire world.
Israel =! Judaism
Judaism =! Israel.
Get that through your feeble little talking points, trolls. Conflating Israel with Judaism is lazy, intellectually dishonest, and is used as a means of ending a conversation without actually discussing the issues on their merits. Just like conflating Islam with radical Islam.
But, you never hear these bloviating trolls conflating Christianity with radical Christianity, now do you? Why? Because then the meme can be pushed that America = Christianity and Christianity = America. But Americans simply wouldn’t stand for it, so that meme is simply…ignored.
Israel has defied international law. Repeatedly. More than any country in the world save Turkey. No country has disobeyed more UN resolutions. No other nuclear power in the world has been safer from inspectors and oversight of their nuclear weapons program. Many Jewish people love the country of Israel, but despise what those currently in power in the country are doing. Self-hating Jews? No, Jews who hate what a STATE is doing, not a RELIGION.
So stop trying to push such an idiotic meme, you silly little bridge-dwellers. It makes you look dishonest, lazy, and hateful. Oh, wait…
July 26th, 2007 at 10:54 amErr, it’s an EASY one too, gummitch.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:56 amWhat’s a Palestinian?
No such nation has ever existed.
July 26th, 2007 at 12:43 pm“What’s a Palestinian?
No such nation has ever existed.”
Comment by FLACO — July 26, 2007 @ 12:43 pm
That’s funny (and ignorant). There are millions of people who would disagree and could point it out to you on a map.
July 26th, 2007 at 1:43 pmI think the Palestinians are their own worst enemies, followed by the Israelis. The Palestinians supported Arafat and the PLO for decades, though he resisted peace initiatives and was utterly corrupt. Even when they could see that Arafat’s greed had bankrupted their society, they didn’t try to throw him out; that is, the Palestinians who didn’t actually support him.
July 26th, 2007 at 3:21 pmAlso, the Palestinians have never seriously tried non-violence. Clever use of it before the world’s press could have Israel out of the West Bank and Gaza in a year or less, but the Palestinians have embraced violence, terrorism, and even suicide bombing; suicide bombers who kill children are lionized as martyrs, and many Palestinian kids are brought up thinking that suicide bombing is the greatest possible accomplishment. There were many Palestinians who thought 9/11 was terrific — dancing in the street and handing out candy to the kids; I don’t know of that happening in any other Arab nation.
Not to mention Jew-hating that would make Himmler blush. Palestinian schoolbooks refer to Jews as monkeys, pigs, unhuman, etc. Think Israel would support racism like that, or would get away with it?
But the biggest problem the Palestinians have is their victim mentality; they will not examine their own faults and weaknesses as long as they can blame the Israelis for all their problems (see “alcoholic behavior”). A friend of mine was recently in the airport for the Gaza strip. Beautiful, modern, a showcase. The bathrooms were great, except there were no electrical outlets anywhere. Bit of a metaphor for Palestine by the Palestinians.
When you write things like “…we will rape, we will plunder, we will destroy their houses, cause we are the chosen people and we are such good folks,” you put the lie to your insistence that it’s the Israelis, or the Israeli right, that you hate. Also, the Israelis who want the West Bank and Gaza don’t want it because they’re the chosen people; they want it because after more than 2000 years of massacres, pogroms, dispossessions, inquisitions and genocide, they don’t want to live at the mercy of other people any more.
Imagine that in the U.S. there were people whose land was taken and who often responded with terrible violence, even toward women and children. Would the U.S. behave better than Israel? Why not go up to the Pine Ridge reservation and ask? While you’re there, you can apologize and give them back your house and land.
Describe the borders for Palestine?
When were the borders established and by who?
See it never existed only in your mind libtards…
July 26th, 2007 at 3:30 pmReply to #226:
I think your logic is a little flawed. Let’s try this thought experiment:
Let’s suppose YOUR ancestral homeland was stolen by a people who claim that God gave them that land.
Then, they round up you, your family, and all the others in the area and put YOU in concentration camps. You are no longer allowed to freely travel in your own country: you are now a second class citizen. Would YOU give up your land gladly to those who stole it, or would you fight? If you said you’d fight, well I guess you’re no better than the Palestinians, right? It might not matter to you that those who took your land did so because they are escaping persecution, or whatever, all you know is that your family lived on the land for generations, and now your whole life has been destroyed.
Yes, America did similar things to the Native Americans, but, we are not currently engaged in ethnic cleansing, if we were, then we would be discussing it! We gave the Indian Nations their own reservations, where (for the most part) we have let them be. And no, I don’t think that the Indians were treated fairly, but I don’t see the US government continuing to bulldoze Indian houses, building walls around/thru the reservations, etc, etc.
Yes, the Palestinians are wrong to use suicide bombers to kill innocent people, but Israel seems to kill a lot of innocent Palestinans.
July 26th, 2007 at 8:50 pmmurdoch and israel perfect togehter….terroist entities!
July 27th, 2007 at 4:24 pm