AP Reveals New Document Demonstrating ‘Clear Case’ Of Gonzales Perjury On Spying Program
AP Reveals New Document Demonstrating ‘Clear Case’ Of Gonzales Perjury On Spying Program
The AP reports that a four-page memo sent by then-National Intelligence Director John Negroponte in May 2006 confirms that a March 2004 White House intelligence briefing for top congressional leaders was on “the Terrorist Surveillance Program.”
The revelation is significant because just yesterday Alberto Gonzales testified that the White house briefing was about “other intelligence activities.”
“The dissent related to other intelligence activities,” Gonzales testified at Tuesday’s hearing. “The dissent was not about the terrorist surveillance program.”
“Not the TSP?” responded Sen. Charles E. Schumer, D-N.Y. “Come on. If you say it’s about other, that implies not. Now say it or not.”
“It was not,” Gonzales answered. “It was about other intelligence activities.”
ThinkProgress obtained the document, which confirms the accounts of Rep. Jane Harman (D-CA) and Sen. John Rockefeller (D-WV), who claimed the briefings they received were about the administration’s NSA domestic surveillance program. Negroponte lists all the lawmakers who attended “briefings on the Terrorist Surveillance Program,” including the eight lawmakers who attended the March 10, 2004 meeting.
Gonzales’ misleading response appears to be an effort to resolve discrepancies with his earlier statements. In Feb. 2006, Gonzales testified that “there has not been any serious disagreement” about the warrantless spying program conducted by the National Security Agency (NSA). Testimony by former Deputy Attorney General James Comey proved there were indeed serious disagreements when the administration tried to seek legal approval for the spying program in 2004.
Instead of settling the contradictions in his testimony, Gonzales is simply compounding his problems by continuing to mislead Congress. MSNBC’s David Shuster reported tonight that “this is a really, really big deal and a big problem for Gonzales. … The legal expert I talked to tonight said this is a clear case of perjury.” Watch it:
Read the full memo HERE.
UPDATE: Commenter burro notes that the “bupkis” is rapidly increasing.
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Maybe I spoke too soon. Here comes the glove! Here comes the glove!
This would also help explain FOX news Headline.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:29 pmAlberto Gonzales, Liar, liar, liar.
-GSD
July 25th, 2007 at 11:29 pmThis is all well and good but will Leahy and the Democrats continue to give Gonzales more chances to claim that he was somehow out of the loop? Impeach Gonzales and Cheney and Bush before Bush and the Democrats allow the clock to run out on the misdeeds of this administration.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:32 pmHeh.
Should Gonzo be resigning Friday afternoon? Yes.
Will he? No.
Fun times.....
July 25th, 2007 at 11:37 pmMy Mom always said you had to be VERY smart to tell lies.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:37 pmDidn't Shuster say Karl Rove was going to be indicted?
Moonbat Alert!!! Warning, Warning...desperation...desperation.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:39 pmAlright peoples... smoking gun ... no way... the document shows nothing about the contents of classified meetings, which is what Gonzales talked about... you are barking up a useless and hairless and spineless appendage.... wait for it....
July 25th, 2007 at 11:40 pmSince Zooey got a new name so did I. Although its not a Z word but an F word, which of course leads back to>....PI
July 25th, 2007 at 11:43 pm>=)))*>
July 25th, 2007 at 11:43 pmFrom the previous post we have:
QUESTION: But has it reached the point for the attorney general to — he’s lost his effectiveness and his credibility?
SNOW: Well, you know, what’s interesting is that there have been all these hearings on the attorney general and yet nobody’s really laid a glove on him. […] At this point, we have hundreds of hearings that have produced bupkis.
It sure seems like the "bupkis" is accumulating. It would be nice if some of Abu's extra strong and stinky bupkis could start being tossed back at Snowjob when he claims there isn't any.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:44 pmMy Mom always said you had to be VERY smart to tell lies.
Comment by Dave
Lies are very hard to remember because it/they never happened. And they usually come back and bite one in the (Y)
July 25th, 2007 at 11:45 pm>=)))*>
Comment by DAGIM
Nice. :)
I was hoping to keep that on the down low. :}
July 25th, 2007 at 11:47 pmAlright peoples… smoking gun … no way… the document shows nothing about the contents of classified meetings, which is what Gonzales talked about… you are barking up a useless and hairless and spineless appendage…. wait for it….
Comment by interested litigant
Sorry to disappoint you, but Gonzo is caught by the short & curlies.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:49 pmI was hoping to keep that on the down low. :}
Comment by Zehava — July 25, 2007 @ 11:47 pm
How low? ;-)
July 25th, 2007 at 11:51 pmBusted!
Impeach the bastard.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:52 pmHow low? ;-)
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
Lower than a troll. :)
July 25th, 2007 at 11:52 pmI was hoping to keep that on the down low. :}
Comment by Zehava
I didn't mean you Zehava. I was talking about that Zero time fool Zep Tepi I have no Idea who your talking about =)
July 25th, 2007 at 11:53 pmCool. burro @ #10 got a HT from TP. :-)
July 25th, 2007 at 11:53 pmFor all the latest news, key reports, document releases and other essential materials surrounding Gonzales, the U.S. attorneys purge and NSA illegal domestic surveillance, visit:
July 25th, 2007 at 11:54 pm- The U.S. Attorneys Scandal Document Center
- The NSA Domestic Surveillance Scandal Center
I didn’t mean you Zehava. I was talking about that Zero time fool Zep Tepi I have no Idea who your talking about =)
Comment by DAGIM
Oh that guy. Sheesh, I wonder whatever happened to him? :P
July 25th, 2007 at 11:54 pmBurros are cool critters.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:55 pmOh that guy. Sheesh, I wonder whatever happened to him? :P
Comment by Zehava
I think he got put in a rubber room zomewhere around Orions belt. =P
July 25th, 2007 at 11:56 pmI think he got put in a rubber room zomewhere around Orions belt. =P
Comment by DAGIM
Hoo! That's no surprise. I bet that Zooey crank is with him. Cuckoo!
July 26th, 2007 at 12:00 amLogic and truth mean nothing to Bush and his supporters.
-GSD
July 26th, 2007 at 12:01 amI saw the headline over at Huffington Post - "Senate considers Gonzales Perjury Investigation". Considers ???? Give me a f***ing break. What the hell is going to take for the dems to wake up and DO SOMETHING !
July 26th, 2007 at 12:02 amWhat the hell is going to take for the dems to wake up and DO SOMETHING !
Comment by muzz
The Senate traditionally uses that type of language. Maybe give them until morning? :)
July 26th, 2007 at 12:04 amI spotted a lie in that Negroponte memo:
What a whopper!
July 26th, 2007 at 12:05 amAwww, poor tony snow. Tried to be a big man in front of the country and say "Too bad,ya'll aint got nothin'". Well tony,it appears they DO have something now a*shole and we are all laughing at you once again.
July 26th, 2007 at 12:07 amHonerable??? yea - right.
July 26th, 2007 at 12:07 amTalk to the glove.
July 26th, 2007 at 12:10 amHi Frank:
Since you were not man enough to answer my questions in another thread, I'll pose them to you again. Please answer the following:
1) Do you really want a Democratic President to have the powers that Bush has granted himself.
2) Do you really want a Democratic Administration that can thumb their noses at Congress and refuse to answer questions about their mis-behavior?
Are you man enough or honest enough to answer these questions. I won't be holding my breath.
July 26th, 2007 at 12:27 amAmerica haters support Bush.
Pass it on.
-GSD
July 26th, 2007 at 12:30 amStumbling from one lame lie to the next.
July 26th, 2007 at 12:31 amWarning, Warning…desperation…desperation.
You are right Frank, there is definitely desperation coming out of the Republican camp. The Republican ship is sinking. More and more Republicans will be bailing. Soon there will be nothing left of the Republican party.
July 26th, 2007 at 12:32 amWell tony,it appears they DO have something now a*shole and we are all laughing at you once again.
Comment by varnst
Now let's make sure on this one, varnst. Are people laughing AT Snowjob, or WITH him? There's a difference, ya know. A BIG difference. And since Tony is, well, Tony, we need to be sure.
My money is on "Laughing AT Tony", BTW.
July 26th, 2007 at 12:32 amFrank J hates the rule of law, which to my mind constitutes hatred of America. But morally bankrupt losers like Frank are in for quite a big surprise next election, when they see their hateful views repudiated by voters.
July 26th, 2007 at 12:34 amComment by bilbobaggins — July 26, 2007 @ 12:27 am
Thanks bilbo!
You flushed the troll dung that is Frank J and he ran again, like the coward he is.
Two threads cleansed - Hallelujah!
July 26th, 2007 at 12:34 amThe Republican ship is sinking. More and more Republicans will be bailing. Soon there will be nothing left of the Republican party.
Comment by bilbobaggins
I agree w/ your comment except for one, tiny little thing, bilbo (nice name by the way... sounds like something from a fanstasy novel or something...).
Wouldn't it make more sense if you said, "The Republican ship HAS SUNK. More and more Republicans are learning to do the backstroke as we speak."
See? So much clearer. Glub... glub... glub...
July 26th, 2007 at 12:35 amAlright peoples… smoking gun … no way… the document shows nothing about the contents of classified meetings, which is what Gonzales talked about… you are barking up a useless and hairless and spineless appendage…. wait for it….
Comment by interested litigant — July 25, 2007 @ 11:40 pm
So why are you here, you patriotic, law-and-order, lil' devil, you?
July 26th, 2007 at 12:35 amCongratulate
the gang of 8
As they will give
AlVO5 the shiv.
Bye Bye, AlVO5
July 26th, 2007 at 12:37 amWith the current corrupt, criminal administration withholding documents, it is a blessing and a wonder that we now have written confirmation of what we knew all along about der Gonzo:
He's been lying through his teeth to Congress and to the American people.
July 26th, 2007 at 12:39 amBye Bye, AlVO5
Comment by RUCerious
Heh.
July 26th, 2007 at 12:39 amAre you man enough or honest enough to answer these questions. I won’t be holding my breath.
Comment by bilbobaggins — July 26, 2007 @ 12:27 am
Frank J lost his balls in a blogging accident. Please refer to him as "Francine J" from here on.
July 26th, 2007 at 12:40 am"Two threads cleansed - Hallelujah!
Comment by hterrya "
I wish I could be here more often. I would love to post that at the top of every thread. I've saved it, though and will be posting it every time Frank pops up when I am here.
July 26th, 2007 at 12:43 amHas anyone seen Frank J's balls in here? He's not sure if they got shot off in this thread or the last one.
Intewrested litigant, can you crawl around - while you're down there on your belly and help Frank J find his doodads?
July 26th, 2007 at 12:45 amThat this guy even shows up and continues his letters put together to form words in random order shows a level of mental instability we may not want around.Maybe not even when he wakes up.
July 26th, 2007 at 12:46 amThis "who me?"behavior after 15 years covering for the same group is leading us away from the truth.
Who's in charge??
It's obvious this show is over.Next?
Please refer to him as “Francine J†from here on.
Comment by Minister of Fact
I thought his voice had suddenly gotten a little high-pitched.
July 26th, 2007 at 12:46 amPlease refer to him as “Francine J†from here on.
Comment by Minister of Fact
I thought his voice had suddenly gotten a little high-pitched.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 26, 2007 @ 12:46 am
Sounds like a stuck neocon pig, to me.
July 26th, 2007 at 12:48 amWho is this Frank? Is that Francine's little brother? The zit faced punk who bites the head off snakes for attention?
July 26th, 2007 at 12:53 amI thought his voice had suddenly gotten a little high-pitched.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Sounds like a stuck neocon pig, to me.
Comment by Minister of Fact
Oh, you guys are good. :D
July 26th, 2007 at 12:53 amSounds like a stuck neocon pig, to me.
Comment by Minister of Fact
I have to say, I ain't eatin' any bacon offa dat pig!
July 26th, 2007 at 12:53 amInstead of settling the contradictions in his testimony, Gonzales is simply compounding his problems by continuing to mislead Congress.
Of course Gonzales lied. That is his default mode. Bush & Cronies lie like they breathe, it's their second nature.
Even if they had nothing to hide -and they do, plenty- they would still lie. It's pathological. They cannot help it.
These people belong at a clinic, not at the White House.
July 26th, 2007 at 12:54 am#31 1) I would expect a Democrat to use the powers given to them by the Constitution of the United States to defend the nation. The same powers that Bill Clinton had in the 1990s and didn't use leading to the deaths of 3,000 Americans on September 11, 2001.
2) Bush hasn't thumbed his nose at Congress. Gonzalez has testified before them countless times. Should a President waste time while Congress uses its oversite responsibilities to raise money. Of course not.
Always happy to educate the moonbats. I have now educated more liberals with this post than Ward Churchill did in his entire sorry career at Colorado.
July 26th, 2007 at 12:54 amWhy doesn't the committee simply ask Gonzo a few key questions?
1.. Have you ever indulged in weed, shrooms, x, any other rec drugs?
2. If your answer to question #1 was yes, did you inhale, ingest or otherwise enjoy? If so, please explain.
3. Have you ever engaged in experimental sex with anyone, not a woman? If so, please explain.
4. Have you ever killed a lover in a vehicular homicide, by accident or on purpose? If so, please explain.
5. Have you ever drunk a few beers and shot a friend in the face (when you had no hunting licence)? If so, please explain.
6. How many DUI's are on your record? If less than two, please explain how many you could have received, but snarked out on.
7. How much money have you received from energy companies in the past six years? How many options in energy and defense companies do you or members of your family currently hold?
8. If you have engaged in any behaviour that Joe, the unemployed airline employee who just lost his house to foreclosure and is now standing in the unemployment line, hoping to get enough money to pay for his uninsured wife's masectomy would appreciate, please elaborate? (Don't wait too long, thet gotta get down to the jail . . . .see, joe jr just ran down his bff an' they gotta post bail).
9. Oh yeah, if jr gets convicted, do ya think ya could keep him outta the chair . . . ya know, Texas an' all. (Give 'im a Scoot sort of commutt'in or somt'in?
July 26th, 2007 at 12:54 amAmerican troops are dying in Iraq so Bush can thumb his nose at the Consitution and all laws.
Despicable.
-GSD
July 26th, 2007 at 12:56 amI gave you credit for troll-dung cleansing on the thread entitled, "Despite Congress’ Thrashing Of Gonzales, Snow Claims Nobody ‘Really Laid A Glove On Him’"
Look for Comment by hterrya — July 26, 2007 @ 12:49 am on that thread: http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/25/laid-a-glove-on-gonzo/#comment-3962978
July 26th, 2007 at 12:57 amNow this is a great example for the US Justice System. An Attorney General who out right lies under oath even with documents to prove he lied. Gonzo was laughing as he was questioned. All the convicted criminals in jail should ask to be released as lying under oath is now legal. Karl Rove did a great job directing Gonzo as did Cheney. Gonzo was the right man for the job all he did was what he was ordered to do.
July 26th, 2007 at 12:57 amGonzo is on the meth I bet...
He and dubya been cookin up batches, i see why dubya won't fire him now.
July 26th, 2007 at 12:58 amAnd Francine J can rub her nubbin to pictures of Bush, She thinks if she whores for him enough, he will grace her fat ass with a mercy f*ck.
Ain't gonna happen Francine, he's just using you, like all the rest of the football team.
July 26th, 2007 at 1:00 am"Always happy to educate the moonbats. I have now educated more liberals with this post than Ward Churchill did in his entire sorry career at Colorado.
Comment by Frank J "
Sorry Francine, no dice. You didn't answer the questions, as I expected. You simply threw in a couple of straw men. I knew you were not man enough or honest enough to answer those questions.
July 26th, 2007 at 1:01 amWhoops, Comment by hterrya — July 26, 2007 @ 12:57 am was meant for bilbobaggins.
July 26th, 2007 at 1:01 amI think that the Congress should go ahead and impeach Gonzales. His "high crime" of perjury is clear grounds, and I make an argument on my blog that once this happens, Bush cannot pardon him to keep him from going to jail.
It's way past my bedtime, so Goodnight, everyone. Have fun finding proof that I'm wrong. I'd enjoy reading about it tomorrow.
July 26th, 2007 at 1:08 amAlways happy to educate the moonbats. I have now educated more liberals with this post than Ward Churchill did in his entire sorry career at Colorado.
Comment by Frank J
But, Frank that doesn't make the least bit of sense. Totally irrational. nearly incoherent. Gotta lay off the pruno, dude.
Did your voice get kind of high-pitched all of a sudden?
July 26th, 2007 at 1:08 amThis whole thread is a strawman. I answered the questions with facts and it made your limited brain matter boil over. Sorry about that.
July 26th, 2007 at 1:09 amSeems there are some severe cases of BDS on here. The only known cure is to read Ronald Reagan's first innaugural address.
July 26th, 2007 at 1:12 amSeems there are some severe cases of BDS on here. The only known cure is to read Ronald Reagan’s first innaugural address.
Comment by Frank J
Run along and do that, Frankie. But don't suck your thumb, you're getting a callus.
July 26th, 2007 at 1:13 amThis whole thread is a strawman. I answered the questions with facts and it made your limited brain matter boil over. Sorry about that.
Comment by Frank J — July 26, 2007 @ 1:09 am
Seems there are some severe cases of BDS on here. The only known cure is to read Ronald Reagan’s first innaugural address.
Comment by Frank J
Actually, you've nothing, or less.
Debating trolls is a tricky thing. If they choose the "non-sequitur" route, like Li'l Frankie is, it's indeed a tough slog. You cannot argue w/ the mentally ill!
Frank, your psychoproctologist called. He found Jeff Gannon's wristwatch.
July 26th, 2007 at 1:14 amAlberto Gonzales and Harriett Meirs are both lawyers licensed to practice in Texas. Even iif empeachment for Gonzo isn't in the works, both should be disbarred in Texas. Gonzo for perjury, Meirs for ignoring a subpoena.
July 26th, 2007 at 1:14 amYawning ! Ahhhhhhhhhhh!
Nothing will happen to Gonzalez, Bush, Bozo, etc. You get the picture. The mendacity continues.
This is one powerful nefarious cabal.
There's too much talk and not enough action.
Wake me up when there'll be several million gathering to denouce the treason these bastards have wrought on our country.
Ahhhh!
July 26th, 2007 at 1:17 amWhere's the Frankster? Has the RNC called an emergency telephone conference for all of their hired help? The ones not posting from India? It has to be DEFCON3 at the White House tonight.....looks like Alberto's gone and the next AG will not be a career Bushie suck-up. The wall is starting to crumble, I'm not really sure Bush can survive without his personal firewall in place at DoJ.
It's been 6-1/2 long years of rage and frustration at the actions of this criminal syndicate, but I'm going to so enjoy the payback extracted over the next 18 months...
July 26th, 2007 at 1:17 amWhat would you like to debate limited one?
July 26th, 2007 at 1:18 amWhat a fool.
July 26th, 2007 at 1:20 amPost number seventy is a classic case of BDS.
July 26th, 2007 at 1:21 amBDS = BS.
Gonzales is--or at least should be--in deep, deep crap. The question is: do the Democrats have the stomach for the nasty fight they'll have to slog through in order to get this buffoon removed from the Justice Department.
July 26th, 2007 at 1:22 amThat's right Frank. Tear 'em a new one.
July 26th, 2007 at 1:24 am#74 ~ It's going to be a quick fight, cut off by a call from the top ... finally.
July 26th, 2007 at 1:29 amIt seems pretty clear that no one here believes Gonzo will actually resign, but instead that he will have to be forced from office.
But I wonder if it is starting to come to the point that the best way to cover this mess up is for AG to just quit.
Would Bush be willing to let Gonzo go both to save his own skin and to minimize damage to his party?
July 26th, 2007 at 1:30 am#31 1) I would expect a Democrat to use the powers given to them by the Constitution of the United States to defend the nation. The same powers that Bill Clinton had in the 1990s and didn’t use leading to the deaths of 3,000 Americans on September 11, 2001.
2) Bush hasn’t thumbed his nose at Congress. Gonzalez has testified before them countless times. Should a President waste time while Congress uses its oversite responsibilities to raise money. Of course not.
Always happy to educate the moonbats. I have now educated more liberals with this post than Ward Churchill did in his entire sorry career at Colorado.
Comment by Frank J — July 26, 2007 @ 12:54 am
By the tone of your squealing, I take it that you and interested litigant still havent found your balls.
Clinton's presidency had nothing to do with 9-11. So stop your lying ways, you treasonous little bastard.
July 26th, 2007 at 1:30 amGonzales committed perjury. If Congress won't empeach, the solution is to get him disbarred. I may be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that the USAG must be an attorney . . . . not an attorney, not the AG. Even if he doesn't have to be an attoreny, DISBARRED attorney . . . surely can't be the United States highest officer in charge of the administration of justice.
Forget the trolls. Focus.
July 26th, 2007 at 1:32 amWould Bush be willing to let Gonzo go both to save his own skin and to minimize damage to his party?
Comment by Egreggious
If he was, I think he'd have done it already.
Hello, Egg!
July 26th, 2007 at 1:33 amGoodnight, Egg!
Goodnight, Z!
July 26th, 2007 at 1:34 amThis whole thread is a strawman. I answered the questions with facts and it made your limited brain matter boil over. Sorry about that.
Comment by Frank J — July 26, 2007 @ 1:09 am
As MoJ, I must say - there have been no facts posted by you, Francine.
July 26th, 2007 at 1:34 amAnd the obstructionist republicans will continue to block this as the main stream media continues to hide this blocking by the republicans from the public.
Is this BREAKING NEWS on mainstream media yet? Just a hope. I canceled my cable because of this garbage.
And Clinton did what?
July 26th, 2007 at 1:36 amWhen it comes to answering questions, Francine seems to have studied at Alberto's feet.
July 26th, 2007 at 1:37 amGonzales: "Nya-Nya"
Dems: "Okay, that does it. We're going to count to three. One...."
Gonzales: "Phffffft!"
Dems: "Two..."
Gonzales: "Your momma wears army boots"
Dems: "Three!"
Gonzales: "Bite me, I'm not saying squat"
Dems: "Three and a half..."
July 26th, 2007 at 1:44 amThe Republican party is just about to have their Rapture moment! Good bye and good riddance.
July 26th, 2007 at 2:18 amEven the right-wing blogosphere is starting to ditch Alberto.
Here
and
here.
July 26th, 2007 at 2:19 amThat's funny, Egreggious. Both articles use the same phrase ,"gas on an open fire". I'm kind of baffled as to why hard-core GOOPers and Rovites aren't getting this. BsuchCo isn't a sinking ship at this point, it's a sunken ship.
July 26th, 2007 at 2:23 amZooey, hterrya, and Jane,
Hello there.
July 26th, 2007 at 2:39 amI'm just curious, do any of the commenters here also post main threads for TP?
July 26th, 2007 at 2:42 amThis is what I have to say about these allegations against Gonzalez:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xz7_3n7xyDg&eurl=
July 26th, 2007 at 2:59 amDisbarrment is a powerful tool.
Dems seem to have a limited tool box. With so few tools why does disbarrment look so unavailable?
July 26th, 2007 at 3:08 am"Disbarrment is a powerful tool."
Wasn't Clinton disbarred for lying under oath?
July 26th, 2007 at 3:09 amTime to impeach.
July 26th, 2007 at 3:09 amYes, he was.
July 26th, 2007 at 3:10 am"Time to impeach."
What Democrat member of congress are you going to get to support that?
July 26th, 2007 at 3:12 amABA Garor, Libby got 2 and 1/2 years for what Clinton did.
July 26th, 2007 at 3:12 amUnder existing law, if Gonzo were found guilty of certain misconduct in one court, another court would have to take the original court's findings as true and therefore preclude any argument to the contrary.
Although, in most states, the findings of an administrative agency might not surmount the rule of law as later found by a court, because Texas attorneys are regulated by the Supreme Court of Texas and not an administrative agency, the Supreme Court's findings would prevail over any prior decision or opinion.
If the Texas Supreme Court were to find as a fact that Gonzo or Miers had fudged on the truth or otherwise violated the Rules of Professional Conduct for attorneys and were thereafter disbarred, the findings would be written in stone, irrefutable unless appealled and disproved.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
July 26th, 2007 at 3:26 amIt's called res judicada. A thing already ajudicated cannot be ajudicated again. States, under the Constitution of the United States, are empowered to give their citizens more, not less, rights than the federal government gives to them. Therefore, if Texas decides to impose heavier ethical burdens on its attorneys than Wash DC does, it's entitled and the Feds must respect that decision.
July 26th, 2007 at 3:36 amI always try to listen very carefully when the Attorney General speaks. Here's what he said in the clip:
Gonzales said, "It was not about the Terrorist Surveillance Program that the President announced to the American people."
I believe that the qualifier that he added (in bold) was deliberate. If questioned, he will point out that there are differences between the amount of information the President revealed and the additional information that was given to those who were briefed.
If asked what those differences are he will refuse to answer on grounds of national security.
July 26th, 2007 at 3:52 amAdministrator,
I answer because, I think you and I are the only ones awake.
What's up? do you think think that there's another program?
From what I understand, it's one program with multiple parts, some of which were objectionable, some of which were not. (when I say "objectionable", I mean to dub'ya - what he considers objectionable and that which I consider so are at odds)
July 26th, 2007 at 4:03 amI think there may be another explanation - that this administration has multiple covert (illegal / unconstitutional) domestic spying programs, and the Attorney General has simply confused them.
"Oh, you mean the TSP that we actually informed Congress about! Yeah, we may have briefed you guys about that one." (smirk, smirk)
July 26th, 2007 at 4:25 amPlease indulge me . . . if not the (unconstitutional) spying program, what else?
July 26th, 2007 at 4:43 amYes, that "Constitutional domestic spying program."
Any explic is welcome.
July 26th, 2007 at 4:45 amAll roads lead to Karl Rove...
"THE ARCHITECT"
of Bush's election,
of warrantless wiretaps,
of 9/11,
of torture,
of the US attorney firings
of EVERYTHING.
July 26th, 2007 at 5:12 am"The CDI's Ledeen, Amitay and Sobhani were featured speakers at a May 2003 forum on "the future of Iran' sponsored by AEI, the Hudson Institute and the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. The forum, chaired by the Hudson Institute's Meyrav Wurmser, the Israeli-born wife of David Wurmser (he serves as Cheney's leading expert on Iran and Syria), included a presentation by Un Lubrani of Israel's Ministry of Defense.
Summarizing the sentiment of neoconservative ideologues and strategists, Meyrav Wurmser said: "Our fight against Iraq was only a battle in a long war. It would be ill-conceived to think we can deal with Iraq alone. We must move on, and faster."
JINSA, a neoconservative organization established in 1976 that fosters closer strategic and military ties between the United States and Israel, also has its sights on Iran. At a JINSA policy forum in April 2003 titled "Time to Focus on Iran-The Mother of Modern Terrorism," Ledeen declared, "The time for diplomacy is at an end; it is time for a free Iran, free Syria and free Lebanon."
JINSA, along with CSP, serves as one of the main institutional links to the military-industrial complex for neoconservatives. Ledeen served as JINSA's first executive director and was JINSA's "Godfather," according to Amitay. Amitay is a JINSA vice chair. JINSA board members or advisers also include former CIA director James Woolsey, former Rep. Jack Kemp and the AEI's Joshua Muravchik. After he joined the administration, Feith resigned from JINSA.'s board of advisers, as did Vice President Dick Cheney and Undersecretary of State for Arms Control John Bolton."
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Central_Asia_watch/Is_Iran_Next.html
July 26th, 2007 at 5:35 amAnd we all know by now how Bush views any of his loyal subjects who are convicted of perjury.
July 26th, 2007 at 5:37 am"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, THE TRUTH IS THE GREATEST ENEMY OF THE STATE."
-- Joseph Goebbels, German Minister of Propaganda, 1933-1945
By: okiemon on September 27, 2006 at 10:24am
"As people do better, they start voting like Republicans - unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing."
Karl Rove.
"See in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda."
GEORGE w. BUSH
Here's a great comparison of Goebbels to Bush:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2005/260505newbushism.htm
July 26th, 2007 at 5:49 amWhen the truth of this ENTIRE CONSPIRACY is finally revealed to the American people, they will boycott the Mainstream Media that enabled it.
CNN Continues to run banner ads all over the web proclaiming that you can walk "IN THE FOOTSTEPS OF BIN LADEN" - a promo for a show that they now run every week.
THIS IS GOVERNMENT SPONSORED PROPAGANDA.
BIN LADEN IS DEAD.
And now this gem from Government Propaganda Network FOX:
Bin Laden's Former Girlfriend Reveals Shocking Details in New Book
Monday, August 21, 2006
By John Gibson
Bin Laden had the hots for Whitney Houston.
That's what we're learning from Kola Boof, the Sudanese poet and novelist whose new book "Diary of a Lost Girl" draws on her experiences as one of bid Laden's girlfriends. Actually she says she was bin Laden's sex slave for a while.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,209691,00.html
EARTH TO AMERICA...
IT IS ALL GOVERNMENT PROPAGANDA!
THEY STILL WANT YOU TO FEAR A GUY WHO IS DEAD.
Bush knows for a fact that Bin Laden is dead.
We need to take back the airwaves for WE THE PEOPLE.
We need to use the ANTI-TRUST LAWS (you remember laws?) to break up the triad of Propaganda networks that have enabled this military coup, and take the money out of the election process and Nationalize the oil industry and recover all of the ill-gotten gains that these criminals have stolen from our Treasury, and bring the damn troops home and cut off Israel from receiving another dime.
July 26th, 2007 at 5:59 amAce,
Interesting comments. However, David Wurmser no longer "serves as Cheney’s leading expert on Iran and Syria," he resigned this week.
What is your take on his resignation?
Also, what role does AIPEC play in this pic? If any?
July 26th, 2007 at 6:08 amTen warning signs ignored at your own peril…
1. Protest war, lose your property?
On July 17th, The White House quietly announced an Executive Order entitled "Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq." Among other developments, it gives Bush the power to "block" the property of people in the US found to "pose a significant risk of committing" an act of violence which might undermine "political reform in Iraq."
The terms "significant threat" and "act of violence" are unclear. If you attend a demonstration against Bush's definition of "political reform in Iraq" would that count? How about writing an angry letter to the editor?
The vague language also includes outlawing "the making of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services by, to, or for the benefit of any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order." What if you donate to an anti-war group which, outside of your knowledge, has been blacklisted by the government? Does that mean that your property can be "blocked"?
Similar to the Patriot Act, the potential implications are staggering.
2. Market meltdown
Economic fallout from the subprime mortgage market collapse has extended further, with prominent investment company Bear Stearns admitting last week that two of its hedge funds, once estimated at $1.6 billion, are now of "very little value."
Meanwhile, the prestigious Bank for International Settlements released a statement warning that the global economy could be facing a Great Depression, and that the dollar in particular "remains vulnerable to a sudden loss of private sector confidence."
Fasten your seatbelts.
3. Escalating US military operations in Pakistan
Following 911, the Bush administration propped up Pakistan's President Pervez Musharraf as a key ally in the "war on terror," spending billions of dollars on Pakistan's military while ignoring Musharraf's support for the Taliban. Those days might be over. Just last week, the White House announced US military forces could be deployed to strike "actionable targets" in the country - with or without Musharraf's permission.
The Bush administration threatened to bomb Pakistan "back to the Stone Age" in 2001 if it didn't deal with the Taliban, but Musharraf has so far been able to convince the US that if his administration falls, then Pakistan will be ruled by Islamists. As a former CIA officer recently told National Public Radio, "I've heard Gen. Musharraf ... tell American presidents that if you don't support me, the next person will be the 'bearded ones'."
But Musharraf faces growing domestic opposition for his strong-arm tactics, and while last week's brutal storming of the Lal Masjid Mosque in Islamabad may have won bonus points in Washington, it only served to further alienate the Pakistani people.
In other words, US military action in Pakistan will most likely destabilize the Musharraf government, and may in fact push Pakistan's nuclear arsenal into the hands of a government of "bearded ones."
4. Loose nukes
It was recently reported that the US had quietly removed 130 of its nuclear warheads from Ramstein Air Force Base in Germany. That still leaves over 350 US warheads across Europe, but the question remains: what happened to the Ramstein nukes? The Pentagon and German Defense Ministry aren't talking, and it can't necessarily be assumed that the warheads have been destroyed. Shuffled to some different country with less stringent weapons controls or hidden away for use in future conflicts perhaps - who knows.
Meanwhile, in late June, the Senate Appropriations Committee voted to fund by $66 million the production of even more nuclear warheads.
5. VP Arnie?
Schwarzenegger visited his hometown of Graz, Austria in late June, ostensibly to attend the birthday party of a friend. The warm welcome he received was quite a change from two years ago, when tensions flared with town elders over his position on the death penalty and failure to stop an execution in California. The war of words escalated until Schwarzenegger requested that Graz remove his name from a local sports stadium, and in a move reminiscent of high school crushes, he returned a ring which city officials had given him.
This time around, however, Schwarzenegger was conciliatory and local politicians clamored for photo ops - effectively sweeping bad blood under the carpet. How convenient, and how necessary, for Schwarzenegger and any ambitions he may have for 2008.
6. Cutting off Iraq's water supply
For years, the Turkish government has tried to get international funding to build a dam across the Tigris River. The potential impact on villagers and the environment has stalled the project, and both Iraq and Syria have expressed concern that the proposed Ilisu dam could give Turkey power over their water supply.
European entities considering funding the project have received strong public pressure to back out, and if they do, China appears only too happy to step in and help build the dam.
Meanwhile, an estimated 250,000 Turkish troops are amassed near Northern Iraq and just this week, the Prime Minister of Turkey threatened to invade the country.
Long story short, Turkey and China are increasingly likely to assume a major role in both Iraq and Syria. Doesn't bode well for the Bush's administration's plans.
7. GPS losing its way
The US monopoly over satellite navigation systems appears to be drawing to a close. The Global Positioning System (GPS) has enabled civilians to find their destinations and the military to coordinate troop movements and detect nuclear detonations, but the US system will soon face international competition. Global Navigation Satellite Systems are being developed by Europe, China and India while a Russian system may be operational as early as 2009 - another challenge to US hegemony on the international stage.
8. New Russian arms race?
This month, Russia pulled out of the Treaty for Conventional Armed Forces in Europe, established in 1990 to reduce the number of conventional weapons (such as tanks and combat aircraft) in Europe. Russia's move signals the latest salvo in a power struggle between European leaders and Russian President Putin, who is dead set against the establishment of new US military bases and anti-missile systems in eastern Europe and central Asia. But if Russia is not convinced to rejoin the arms Treaty, then by the end of the year it can establish weapons arsenals without NATO inspections and Putin may begin pulling out of other international arms agreements, as Bush has done. Could be the start of a new global arms race.
9. Murdoch's megalomania
Media mogul Rupert Murdoch has his sites on Dow Jones & Co., publisher of The Wall Street Journal and Barron's, among others, and owner of stock market indicators such as the Dow Jones industrial average. Murdoch's News Corp already controls an outrageous number of newspapers, magazines, TV networks, cable channels and film studios across the world and as Business Week observed in 2004, Murdoch "is not shy about using his media outlets to pursue agendas, whether they're politically conservative causes or his own business interests."
For example, the UK's Guardian pointed out that every single one of Murdoch's 175 newspapers across the globe parroted his pro-war views before the invasion of Iraq.
News Corp offered $5 billion for Dow Jones, the board of directors gave its approval and as early as next week a final decision will be reached. If successful, Murdoch's power in the US will expand even further.
10. "Bring it on" Iran
The Senate recently voted 97-0 in favor of hawk Joe Lieberman's Amendment effectively blaming Iran for complicity in the death of American soldiers; it's worth noting that both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton sided with Lieberman on the vote. Meanwhile, a third US aircraft carrier is on its way towards Iran and the UK's Guardian quoted a "well-placed Washington source" as saying "Bush is not going to leave office with Iran still in limbo."
So the drumbeat of impending doom continues, along with warnings of upcoming false flag events - a new Gulf of Tonkin or 911 - timed before Congress votes on Defense Appropriations in September.
Stay tuned...
http://www.heatherwokusch.com/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=126
July 26th, 2007 at 6:30 amAce...could you try just providing a link rather than sucking bandwidth up with a mile long post?
July 26th, 2007 at 6:40 amCBS headlines with GOnzo; IS there more to GOnzo
Neocons probably thinking of themselves as public welfare when criticizing Iran
July 26th, 2007 at 6:45 am#
Ace…could you try just providing a link rather than sucking bandwidth up with a mile long post?
Comment by LeftTheRight — July 26, 2007 @ 6:40 am
I have done so at other times, but as there was virtually no conversation going on here earlier, I took the liberty to post as much truth as possible, in an order that I believe provides context to enable a clear view of the larger conspiracy - which at this stage is undeniably in play.
The Conspiracy Theorists are being proven correct with each new revelation.
The grand jig saw puzzle is being put together before your very eyes, and the picture it reveals represents the greatest, most complex conspiracy ever conceived in the history on mankind.
Only when all of the pieces of the puzzle are provided in one place, can the people see the entire picture.
July 26th, 2007 at 6:46 am“The dissent related to other intelligence activities,†Gonzales testified at Tuesday’s hearing. “The dissent was not about the terrorist surveillance program.â€
Which leaves two options for this investigation:
1. Accept Gonzales' explanation that this dissent about other unknown surveillence programs which went too far (as opposed to the one everyone knows about) and finally start asking questions about these as yet unspecified programs that are so objectionable, or
2. Pursue perjury charges on the grounds that he says someone disagreed about on thing rather than another, which matters to fkn nobody.
You fkn idiots.
These hearings are into the secret domestic surveillence programs that have been introduced which after months of hearings you still have fkall details of, not what Gonzales thinks was the reason people raised their voices at a meeting.
You fkn idiots. This is like arguing over the font used to write There's A WMD in This Iraqi Shed from Colin Powell's UN presentation and calling it a win like this was what everyone wanted to get to the bottom of.
Gonzales should just show up tomorrow with an assortment of shiny objects, spread em out on the table and walk the fk out. Clearly he isn't needed for these idiots to distract themselves with something pointless.
July 26th, 2007 at 6:47 amFkn useless wankers.
Then perhaps you need your own blog and link to it.
Bandwidth costs money, your post isnt germane to the thread topic and the reason there was no conversation is because no one is here right now. So youre sucking bandwidth while posting something that no one will even read, it doesnt make sense.
July 26th, 2007 at 6:50 amLMAO. Take your meds idiot.
The BBC ran a series called In the footsteps of Christ.
Did you think they were suggesting he was still alive ? Or just that you can visit where he did after the fact ?
Are we questioning the space-time continuum as government propoganda too or are you still just as gullible as you were 2 days ago ?
July 26th, 2007 at 6:53 amWhile I believe AG should leave for incompetance, there was no crime committed at DoJ, if there had been criminal conduct the dems would have shown it by now.
This is a grand fishing expedition adding to the pile of fishing expeditions the dems seem to find so important (rather than the real work that needs to be done). They have the right to go fishing, the dems have no right to abrogate executive priviledge to do so.
Now the dems are getting ready to issue contempt citations and that is going to fall flat and hard right in their faces. They are on thin ice and dont seem to know it.
July 26th, 2007 at 6:57 amComment by Kilo — July 26, 2007 @ 6:47 am
You are the kind of citizen Bush loves: a right-wing authoritarian follower who unquestioningly accepts everything his leader tells him for no other reason that that it is the leader saying it, and everyone must believe everything their leader tells them (in your view.)
It also means that you are a poor example of an American Citizen. If this country had more people like you, we'd be North Korea.
Gotta go to work now. See everyone tomorrow.
July 26th, 2007 at 6:57 amWhen's that scheduled for ? Release date of Loose Change vol 37 ?
Alex Jones' 35th anniversary program ?
LMAO. Take your meds idiot.
Nah.... sorry... you need to write HE NEVER EXISTED in big letters to stop looking stupid here.
The BBC ran a series called In the footsteps of Christ. Did you think they were suggesting he was still alive ? Or just that you can visit where he did after the fact ?
Are we also questioning the space-time continuum as government propoganda too or are you still just as gullible as you were 2 days ago ?
July 26th, 2007 at 6:57 amMmmm . . . . #114
Just love the preachings of a literati who uses "fk" as both the adjective and adverb of choice.
All good . . . . intelligent discourse . . . what it's all about.
July 26th, 2007 at 7:01 amNice screed ace, were you crying and sweating while you typed it? Are you feverishly digging a bunker in Montana and hoarding C-rations?
Hooooooo, Ted Kascinzki alive and well in the form of Ace.
July 26th, 2007 at 7:01 am#
Nice screed ace, were you crying and sweating while you typed it? Are you feverishly digging a bunker in Montana and hoarding C-rations?
Hooooooo, Ted Kascinzki alive and well in the form of Ace.
Comment by Pizza the Hutt — July 26, 2007 @ 7:01 am
Swiftboating is one approach. Do you actually have any facts or links to refute anything I've posted in this thread - or are you just here to cast aspersions?
July 26th, 2007 at 7:04 am....the kind of Bush follower who wants Democrats to expose Bush's secret surveillence programs rather than being distracted for months with irrelevant he/she said shit.
Yeah sure... Bush loves guys like that.
And it's so clear how you interpreted all that bullshit about me being a bush follower from what I wrote.
You don't look retarded at all. Nor unable to form a thought out response more insightful than "OMG he says somethin confuzings TP doesnt he must beez a Rethuglican OmG".
Why don't you piss off and think up some creative ways to call Bush Hitler rather than attempting to interpret what others write, idiot.
July 26th, 2007 at 7:07 amPresident Bush said the United States does not torture prisoners, commenting after Vice President Dick Cheney embraced the suggestion that a dunk in water might be useful to get terrorist suspects to talk.
WATERBOARDING:
Waterboarding is a type of torture used in coercive interrogations or for punishment. The modern form of the practice simulates drowning and produces a severe gag reflex, making the subject believe his or her death is imminent while ideally not causing permanent physical damage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding
TORTURE:
The word torture is commonly used to mean the infliction of pain to break the will of the victim or victims. Any act by which severe pain, whether physical or psychological, is intentionally inflicted on a person as a means of intimidation, deterrence, revenge, punishment, sadism, information gathering, or to obtain false confessions for propaganda or political purposes may be called torture.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture
ORWELLIAN:
The term "Orwellian" usually refers to one or more of the following:
Manipulation of language for political ends. Most significantly by introducing to words meanings in opposition to their denotative meanings.
Invasion by the state of personal privacy, whether physically or by means of surveillance.
The total control of daily life by the state, as in a "Big Brother" society.
Active encouragement by the state of "doublethink," whereby the population must learn to embrace inconsistent concepts without dissent.
The denial or rewriting of past events.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orwellian
Perhaps the torture of Gonzales and Rove is in order. After all, they're the ones that mainstreamed the concept and fought to make it legal.
July 26th, 2007 at 7:08 amThe Big Lie
All this was inspired by the principle - which is quite true in itself - that in The Big Lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper stata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily, and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to The Big Lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods.
It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying.
- Adolf Hitler, in Mein Kampf
July 26th, 2007 at 7:09 amHITLER
The Reichstag Burns
Adolf Hitler, the new Chancellor of Germany, had no intention of abiding by the rules of democracy. He intended only to use those rules to legally establish himself as dictator as quickly as possible then begin the Nazi revolution.
Even before he was sworn in, he was at work to accomplish that goal by demanding new elections. While Hindenburg waited impatiently in another room, Hitler argued with conservative leader Hugenberg, who vehemently opposed the idea. Hitler's plan was to establish a majority of elected Nazis in the Reichstag which would become a rubber stamp, passing whatever laws he desired while making it all perfectly legal.
Hitler's storm troopers were about to reach new heights of power of their own and begin a reign of terror.
President Hindenburg had fallen under Hitler's spell and was signing just about anything put in front of him. He signed an emergency decree that put the German state of Prussia into the hands of Hitler confidant, Vice Chancellor Papen. Göring as Minister of the Interior for Prussia took control of the police. Prussia was Germany's biggest and most important state and included the capital of Berlin.
Göring immediately replaced hundreds of police officials loyal to the republic with Nazi officials loyal to Hitler. He also ordered the police not to interfere with the SA and SS under any circumstances. This meant that anybody being harassed, beaten, or even murdered by Nazis, had nobody to turn to for help.
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/riseofhitler/burns.htm
Creeping Fascism
http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/511928.html
Although conspiracy theorists have talked about a wealthy ruling elite, this research confirms that ten wealthy families fund all the groups that have the dominant influence on U.S. policy.
Operation Northwoods was a conspiracy, signed off on by the entire Joint Chiefs of Staff.
The Project for a New American Century was a conspiracy, signed off on by some of the President's top advisors.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_mark_e___061007_election_fraud_2c_9_2f11.htm
July 26th, 2007 at 7:09 amPersonally, Pizza Man,
I find Ace's insights quite iIntriguing.
Bite me.
July 26th, 2007 at 7:11 amWhy, are you going to pretend you would read them and adjust your postings accordingly ?
Twice I've refuted your claims that OBL is a fake invention and you keep posting the same discredited bullshit. Last time was only 2 days ago.
Am I gonna find a response from you there acknowledging this ?
July 26th, 2007 at 7:13 amBecause you've done no such thing to date.
Im just here to cast aspersions.
You daily post these hyperbolic rants and a person would need quite a bit of time to try and keep up with the rampant conspiracy-mongering.
One example just to show the inanity of your post: you talk about nuclear warheads being moved from a site in Germany and then ask "where did they go", with the answer being "who knows". That my friend is conspiracy-mongering. Some nukes got moved, you think there is some plot to disperse them to shady characters, and then you admit you have no clue where they went. Laughable!
BTW, 66 million bucks for nuclear warhead production is NOTHING,; do you have any idea how much nukes cost? The U.S. government spends that much on pens and paperclips every year.
However, I will give you kudos for not including your usual condemnation of the Jews, who usually top the list in your hysterical rantings.
July 26th, 2007 at 7:17 amWhy, are you going to pretend you would read them and adjust your postings accordingly ?
Twice I’ve refuted your claims that OBL is a fake invention and you keep posting the same discredited bullshit. Last time was only 2 days ago.
Am I gonna find a response from you there acknowledging this ?
Because you’ve done no such thing to date.
Comment by Kilo — July 26, 2007 @ 7:13 am
I have responded directly to you in the past. You have provided virtually no prof that anyone named "Osama Bin Laden" exists on this side of the grass.
It should be a relatively simple matter to prove a positive. Go ahead, provide the links and facts that prove that Bin Laden is alive.
Aside from the garbage produced by Benjamin Chertoff for the Popular Mechanics disinfo piece, provide any credible links to support your contention that Bin Laden was involved in 9/11 - or that he he is alive.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2007/180707oldfootage.htm
July 26th, 2007 at 7:18 amHey rockhead, your short bus is waiting outside. Get crackin' boy!
"Bite me"? What is this, Back to the Eighties Day?
July 26th, 2007 at 7:19 am#
However, I will give you kudos for not including your usual condemnation of the Jews, who usually top the list in your hysterical rantings.
Comment by Pizza the Hutt — July 26, 2007 @ 7:17 am
#
That is a lie.
Copy and paste ANY example from anything ever written by me that fits the description by you above.
Israel is a country.
July 26th, 2007 at 7:20 amThe modern form of the practice simulates drowning and produces a severe gag reflex
Pelosi's face causes the same gag reflex, can we agree that looking at her is torture and hide her away somewhere?
Bug eyes...ugh.
July 26th, 2007 at 7:21 amDon't worry. TP will clean up ace's tinfoil waste sooner or later.
Hey ace, I don't care if you're right or wrong and I've got absolutely no interest in your screeds. That means that I have absolutely no point in refuting your points either, so stop using that as an excuse for your continuing trolling here on TP.
The problem is that you mess up the threads even worse than the trolls. Look, upthread and you see that even regular users are complaining about you? Why do you keep terrorizing TP?
Create your own blog, man! Go to multiply.com, for instance.
It's a very advanced form of a blog. You can embed images, videos, audio and you can restrict who can view your posts and participate in the discussion - if you want to. No-one's going to pester you over there. Furthermore, Google's web crawlers regularly harvest those pages, so you'll get lots of visibility, too.
If you want to advertise your blog here, I'm perfectly ok with it if you drop a link or two in a thread, but this current spamming must stop.
Every wonder why TP keeps deleting your posts? It's not because of their content, as you'd like to believe, but because you keep wasting their bandwidth and messing up these threads.
July 26th, 2007 at 7:21 amNo lie, you regularly condemn Israel, zionists or some backroom "jewish influence" that supposedly guides American actions or world events.
You are a feverish anti-semite, and I have no doubt that EVERYTHING bad that happens in your life can be blamed on someone else, its your modus operandi.
How is the bunker coming along?
July 26th, 2007 at 7:24 amAfter disbarment and/or impeachment there will be a desk and healthy stipend waiting for the Gonze at the American Enterprise Institute where all the neo-con elephants go to die.
July 26th, 2007 at 7:25 amAce, you always blame the Jews here, you always have some dark rant that the Jewish zionists are working behind the scenes to make America or Bush do what they want.
Anti-semite bigot.
July 26th, 2007 at 7:29 amSeriously,
Empeachment is the word of the day. This adm has engaged in far worse conduct than the people of this country should tolerate.
We deserve better than Bush. We deserve better than a shadow government run by political operatives who put into place people and policies in which we have no justifiable reason to believe.
Bush has lost all credibility, not only in the international commumity, but in America. In the name of "freedom," he is instilling a culture of fear in which he proposes tyranny as the only solution.
George W. Bush is the face of fear.
"Walk softly and carry a big stick" (Winston Churchill)
"The buck stops here." (FDR)
"The only thing you have to fear is fear itself." (IDK)
Hello fear, aka, GWB.
Apparently, Congress doesn't carry a big enough stick, and you never saw a buck that didn't land in your bank account.
July 26th, 2007 at 7:32 amHey ace, where do you think those nukes went? "I dont know" would be the appropriate answer.
Cue the creepy music. Jewish CONSPIRACY!
July 26th, 2007 at 7:32 am#130 Pizza Man
You date yourself. . . . must be a Nixon man. . . .'splains the love of all things . . . .Cheney, Rove . . . ah, you know what I mean.
July 26th, 2007 at 7:41 am#
Hey ace, where do you think those nukes went? “I dont know†would be the appropriate answer.
Cue the creepy music. Jewish CONSPIRACY!
Comment by Pizza the Hutt — July 26, 2007 @ 7:32 am
Clearly you are here to inject the word "jew" into the conversation, which pretty much let's us know who you're here representing - and it's not "Jews" - it's Zionists - who represent many different religions, or no religion at all.
I don't know why you have focused on the matter of these nukes, while providing no facts, quotes or links for me to respond to.
Intent
Trolls can be existing members of a community that rarely post and often contribute no useful information to the thread, but instead make argumentative posts in an attempt to discredit another person, concentrating almost exclusively on facts irrelevant to the point of the conversation, with the intent of provoking a reaction from others. The key element under attack by a troll is known only to the troll.
July 26th, 2007 at 7:44 am“The buck stops here.†(FDR)
Comment by rockyroad — July 26, 2007 @ 7:32 am
"The buck stops here" is actually attributed to the great Harry Truman.
July 26th, 2007 at 7:46 amLOS ANGELES TIMES headline... AG LIES!!!
Washington Post headline.... AG LIES!!!!
Wall Street Journal headline.... AG LIES!!!
FOX NEWS headline.... Paris Hilton New Hair Style
July 26th, 2007 at 7:53 amAnd tomorrow's is Fillybuster.
July 26th, 2007 at 7:54 amAwesome. Now all we need to figure out is what "the buck" is.
He's said people disagreed about one thing.
Those people say they disagreed about something different.
At who's feet are offloading this load of who gives a fuck ?
July 26th, 2007 at 7:57 amLoretta,
Oops. Thank you for the correction. I regret the mistake. Unfortunately, like GWB, Truman faced terrible public support; however, unlike Bush, he took responsibility. Please forgive me if I'm wrong again, but I think that Truman's lowest approval ratings in the polls was 33% and Bush is now at 35%.
Again, I appreciate the tactful clarification.
July 26th, 2007 at 8:10 am#93 Wasn’t Clinton disbarred for lying under oath?
As point of fact, he agreed to be disbarred and take a tounge-lashing from the judge as part of a deal to get Ken Starr to go away. It was a reasonable compromise - it threw Starr a bone, since he could pin nothing criminal on him, and it ended the long ridiculous matter.
And, as a point of law, Clonton did not commit perjury, Eck. Perjury requires, by statute, that the matter in question be material to the case - and Lewinsky was ruled immaterial to the Paula Jones lawsuit by the judge. Nothing he said about the affair, then, could be perjurious under the law.
Furthermore, it's arguable that he didn't even lie under oath - he wiggled within the narrow definition of sex Ken Starr gave him, and of a broader definition of "Oval Office" that's commonly used in the White House (it includes the surrounding offices, not the single room). Lawyerly and weaselly, yes. An outright lie? Arguably not.
He certainly lied to the American people in a press conference about the affair, but that wasn't under oath.
July 26th, 2007 at 8:15 amLoretta,
To further clarify, I agree that Harry Truman was a great president. Dub'ya apparently entertains the delusion that God will re-define history so that his legacy will parallel that President Truman.
Yeah, and so said George.
Plan B anyone?
July 26th, 2007 at 8:24 amSo you have a letter from John Negroponte to Dennis Hastert that is supposed to prove that Alberto Gonzales lied? Unless Gonzales was reading other peoples mail, what does this prove? Even so, I don't see Gonzales' name anywhere in the letter. I don't see him even referred to.
Your "smoking gun" is reduced to one of those toy pistols with the little flag that says "bang" sticking out of it.
4 or 5 senators, some with shaky reputations themselves, and credibility problems to boot, don't like Gonzales answers and this is supposed to be impeachment time, (again)?
The American public isn't buying it. A great portion of the country doesn't even know who Alberto Gonzales is. The congressional "dog and pony show" is providing plenty of "red meat" for the folks who already hate Bush and this administration, but is doing nothing toward convincing the American public that this isn't "status quo".
The fact that congress seems to have plenty of time to hold plenty of hearings about what is essentially nonsense, but doesn't appear to have the time to actually legislate, is further proof that congress deserves it's low approval ratings.
One would think congress' approval ratings couldn't go any lower...think again. If they waste much more time trying to get rid of an AG who going to most likely be gone in 17 months anyways, just watch those number swing lower still!
July 26th, 2007 at 8:27 amrockyroad
"Walk softly and carry a big stick" was Teddy Roosevelt.
"The buck stops here" Was Truman
"The only thing you have to fear is fear itself†was FDR
July 26th, 2007 at 8:36 amAlert, Alert! Talk about spying , another corrupt Democrat we won’t see a story about on this website!
N.Y. Gov. Eliot Spitzer is being investigated for “misuse of state police to track a top GOP lawmakerâ€
ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL
July 26th, 2007 at 8:36 amFor such a confident guy, you sound just a tad defensive.
Don't you think? You say:
"A great portion of the country doesn’t even know who Alberto Gonzales is. "
So, you consider ["[a] great portion of the country" a bunch of idiots. Great. You are a son of a gun. Brilliant. We, the public, are a bunch of dimwits.
Thanx dude.
July 26th, 2007 at 8:40 amI think this is as appropriate time as any to revisit this musical number from "The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas" (sung by Charles Durning). This applies not only to the Gonzo situation, but many others in this administration.
THE SIDESTEP
From : "The Best Little Whorehouse In Texas"
(Carol Hall)
Charles Durning
Fellow Texans, I am proudly standing here to humbly see.
I assure you, and I mean it- Now, who says I don't speak out as plain as day?
And, fellow Texans, I'm for progress and the flag- long may it fly.
I'm a poor boy, come to greatness. So, it follows that I cannot tell a lie.
Ooh I love to dance a little sidestep, now they see me now they don't-
I've come and gone and, ooh I love to sweep around the wide step,
cut a little swathe and lead the people on.
Now my good friends, it behooves me to be solemn and declare,
I'm for goodness and for profit and for living clean and saying daily prayer.
And now, my good friends, you can sleep nights, I'll continue to stand tall.
You can trust me, for I promise, I shall keep a watchful eye upon ya'll...
Ooh I love to dance a little sidestep, now they see me now they don't-
I've come and gone and, ooh I love to sweep around the wide step,
cut a little swathe and lead the people on.
Now, Miss Mona, I don't know her, though I've heard the name, oh yes.
But, of course I've no close contact, so what she is doing I can only guess.
And now, Miss Mona, she's a blemish on the face of that good town.
I am taking certain steps here, someone somewhere's gonna have to close her down.
Ooh I love to dance a little sidestep, now they see me now they don't-
I've come and gone and, ooh I love to sweep around the wide step,
cut a little swathe and lead the people on.
Ooh I love to dance a little sidestep...
And, ooh I love to sweep around the wide step...
Cut a little swathe and lead the people on.
July 26th, 2007 at 8:46 amMr. Gorton,
I probably couldn't have screwed that up any better. I am truly embarrassed.
The point remains the same. Bush walks like a drunk in a china cabinet, spews fear and mongers money for his elite constituents. He has no regard for the 3.5K plus American lives lost (and who knows how many Iraqi lives lost) in his Iraqi debacle.
The Gulf Coast remains in shambles; healthcare, border secruity and the deficit remain in crisis state, but all we get are periodic five-siren alarms that the terrorists are on our doorsteps. Not his fault, be scared and the top 1% need that tax break.
Stay the course.
July 26th, 2007 at 8:54 amHey O.! Don't know what you're talking about. The rest of us bigfeet can smell the corruption all the way up here in the Pacific Northwest. I think the humans must be able to tell that the Justice Department has died and its bloated carcass must be removed from Washington. And the head is the nastiest part.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:01 amThe fun part is now not only does he have to fire him, he has to pardon him too. This is so very embarrassing...
July 26th, 2007 at 9:03 amGreat posts, ace. Keep up the good work. Many of us appreciate your contributions here.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:06 amA great portion of the country doesn’t even know who Alberto Gonzales is.
WTF???
July 26th, 2007 at 9:08 amThis is perjury, no doubt. We all knew Gonzo was lying his a$$ off, and now we have concrete evidence of the fact.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:08 amrockyroad
The Republicans are the party of personal responsibility. They personally assign it to everyone else.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:15 amThe same thing should happen to Gonzo that should happen to Bush and Cheney. Simply put, they should be in prison awaiting sentencing for treason, war crimes, torture, violations of the U.S. Constitution, perjury, obstruction of justice, etc. By the way, what is the punishment for war crimes and treason. I believe it's much worst than impeachment.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:17 amThanks Tripster.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:19 amThis is becoming more and more like the Valerie Wilson/Scooty Libby investigation. The tragedy is the Administration is gaming the system, Big Time. If everyone with Bush and Co is loyal to the Pres, then it appears not to matter what is being said to Congress, just so long as it does not point back to the Bush/Cheney inner circle. This is why Fitzgerald had such a hard time. The WH didn't even have to get their stories straight--it works better for them if their testimonies didn't match.
No one, it appears, in the WH is loyal to the US Constitution; there will be no John Dean/Deep Throat this time. And in case our republican friends still are in the dark, politicizing the DOJ, or the Pentagon, or other bureaus will be horrible if the DEMOCRATS won the WH in 2008. But it appears that fixing elections is what Bush/Cheney were doing--for 2008. That is why the investigation.
The Congress is just doing their responsibility; since there was woefully little oversight in the previous GOP majorities, there will be some tedious details to catch up on. I will insist that they keep up with their responsibility. With this "go slow" republican minority, it does give dems more time to persue.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:20 amWith this “go slow†republican minority, it does give dems more time to persue.
Comment by MN Dem
Kind of a self-defeating tactic on the GOOPers part, huh?
July 26th, 2007 at 9:27 amBupkis? Is Tony a member of the Tribe?
July 26th, 2007 at 9:31 amAce,
Your posts are excellent.
Boudin Bob either lacks the attention span of a nat or the dexterity to scroll down. Still he seems to have energy to complain. . . He must need lighter fare (Heads up Bob! TMZ - Lindsay Lohan 24/7- plus links to other websites chock full of pictures - It's like the motherlode for ADD sufferers :>) ).
Thanks for your posts Ace. Good work!
July 26th, 2007 at 9:32 amA great portion of the country doesn’t even know who Alberto Gonzales is.
Think about it folks. That is where the Bush supporters come from.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:45 amGonzo's in deep. Tuesday's testimony probably did him in. Will he resign or face empeachment? I'm not a Washington insider, but is it possible that he has an ace up his sleeve with the "other national security matters" line?
Appears that the Gang of Eight ain't buying his "this was not about the NSA wiretapping."
July 26th, 2007 at 9:49 amAce, Great posts, as always. Just catching up here. It looks like our disheveled, dishonored, and amoral AG has finally been placed into the corner, by his own admissions. Either way, he's perjured himself - either during sworn testimony #1 or sworn testimony #2. Now we have documental evidence that this program was the "same program" and the one which the "gang of 8" were apprised of. Not only can I NOT believe that this guy is an attorney, but to be the Chief Attorney in the nation, bobbing and weaving with the knock-out punches wielded by Schumer & Feingold, he looked more like Howdy Doody. Can you imagine having this charlatan representing you in a court of law??
July 26th, 2007 at 9:52 amWhen you revisit Gonzo's testimonial hedging, the moment he is backed into the corner on "who sent you to Ashcroft's sickbed?", it's clear that he begins to decompensate. He spirals out of control after he admits to yet another illegal spying program and his facial expression when he realizes that he's just indicted his "boss", the Shrub, is priceless.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:54 amI really don't know how much more damage this GOP can tolerate at this point? I realize that the Dems want to keep the GOP hypocrisy front and center to make it a slamdunk in 08; however, in listening to what Bruce Fein said on Bill Moyers as well as Keith Olberman's special on impeachment last night, I believe that the "fix" for this constitutional crisis IS impeachment and it has to be accomplished if we want to turn back the clock on presidential abuse of power. Otherwise, succeeding administrations will pick up where this thug left off.
It really should be about Bush and Cheney at all (personally) but at this point, they've made themselves more hated than Cruella DeVille; however, it should be about reversing the constitutional "high crimes and misdemeanors" which we know they have committed. And, it needs to occur right now - not next month or next year.
After all, if Nixon had been forced to apologize instead of flouting his illegal activities back in the 70's as well as receiving some sort of penalty for his actions, perhaps we would not be revisiting the same problem again now in this administration??
I guess it makes the case for the adage: If you don't get the lesson the first time, you can bet your sweet ass that you'll be given another opportunity to learn the same lesson - with the known caveat: The lesson increases in difficulty exponentially each time it visits you!!
July 26th, 2007 at 9:59 amCheck out the latest funny republican comic from HL
Torture Boy Takes The Stand.
H.L.s Comics
July 26th, 2007 at 10:09 amWhat you folks appear to forget is this:
If Gonzales leaves office, one way or another, what do we get? Another Bush appointee. Bush isn't going to appoint anyone the Bush haters approve of, (even if it were someone the Bush haters currently DO like, as soon as Bush announced the apointment, the Bush haters would turn on the appointee..."if Bush appointed (insert name here), he/she must be corrupt!) so it will just be more of the same over here at TP.
Whomever the new appointee may be, they will be a mere caretaker of the office of AG. About the time they get a handle on the job, it will most likely be time to leave.
Talk about side-stepping? How about addressing the issues of partisan hacks like Schumer, who never met a Republican he didn't think was a rich crook, or folks like Leahy, who couldn't keep a secret if his life depended on it.
I'll address these two: Neither Schumer nor Leahy have any credibility with the Conservative/Republican base, which whether you like it or not, still exists out here in the United States. Therefore, right or wrong, we don't care what they have to say.
As for rockyroad, who compares folks who don't know who Gonzales is with dimwits, that's not the case at all. A great portion of the U.S. doesn't CARE who Gonzales is. Face it: Most folks in the United States don't live political lives. We go to work, go home, play ball with the kids, etc. All the nonsense of cogressional hearings is just background noise with nothing apparent being accomplished. Ask the average person: What is the legislature supposed to do?, the answer will most likely be: Legislate.
Even when Clinton was being impeached, congress' approval ratings slipped. The people are tired of negative politics, period. It doesn't matter which side of the aisle you are from. When is congress going to learn that simple truth?
Furthermore, folks are fed up with the Republicans AND the Democrats. However, we've been brainwashed into accepting one or the other, so third party presidential candidates, unless immensly popular, (and SERIOUS, unlike Perot) act as mere spoilers.
Folks here have called me out to clarify my political stand, most likely, so they can continue to hack away at it. Here's my Presidential voting record over the last couple decades:
1988: Supported Pat Robertson, was a local Robertson organizer in southern Illinois. Voted for BushOne since Robertson obviously didn't get the nomination.
1992: Voted for James "Bo" Gritz in the Arizona General Election. He got enough support in AZ to get on the ballot, but obviously not enough to actually go anywhere politically.
1996: Patrick Buchanan supporter. Ended up voting for Dole, of course.
2000: Buchanan supporter again. This time all the way. If I remember right, Buchanan made the ballot in AZ on the Reform ticket. All the Buchanan campaign signs from Laughlin, Nevada to Needles, California, through Bullhead City and Ft. Mohave Arizona were pretty much the work of my then 3 year old son and myself.
2004: Voted for Bush, of course. no realistic alternative.
Basically, I'm a Conservative before I am a Republican, but there's no way I am ever going to vote for a Liberal.
So let the flames begin!
July 26th, 2007 at 10:17 amgood one, Jack. Thanks for the link.....I think.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:19 amAgain, I appreciate the tactful clarification.
Comment by rockyroad — July 26, 2007 @ 8:10 am
No, problemo, mi amigo. I am a great admirer of former President Truman.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:24 amSee the republotrolls are complaining that the Negroponte document mention the program, but is not dated the correct date. What they fail to do is read the whole of the letter, which included a listing of all the attendees of the meetings about The Terrorist Surveillance Program.
Simple...see. Just read what is in front of you. But like the Republitrolls they are they OBSFISCATE, OBSFISCATE, OBSFISCATE. While we are busy trying to get to the first layer of crap of the administration, they tell us it does not need to be cleaned, "we cleaned it last year", Clinton made it dirty by lying about a personal matter with a consenting adult, It is a power of the Executive to have a PRIVILEGE THAT TRUMPS OUR LAWS.
WTF?!?!?!?!?!?
July 26th, 2007 at 10:27 amThese guys tell soo many lies that one day the will have to take a rest behind bars.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:35 am"Basically, I’m an American before I am a Liberal , but there’s no way I am ever going to allow a Republican to live who gains the Presidency."
Just like you, ALL Republicans, yes even the little old lady down the block should be killed. They are traitors on the face. They believe in Capitalism over Democracy.
DEATH TO REPUBLICANS.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:37 amBoy, I sure do hope that this isn't a case of bait and switch. Imagine the shock, the shock, I will endure if there were other meetings on March 10, 2004, which did not focus on the TSP.
Good to see that AP, Think Progress, and the Democratic media are keeping an open mind about all possibilities before jumping to conclusions.......
With David Shuster jumping onboard saying it's "very important", that signals to me that it is exactly the opposite. Shuster has a tendency to get things completely wrong because he's a moron who can't even comprehend English.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:52 amO. Bigfoot
Supported Pat Robertson
AKA: A religious nutter. Most popularly known outside of America for blaming Ms Degeneres for Katrina. Good judgement call there.
James “Bo†Gritz
Who is known for having tried tp unite rightwing and leftwing conspiracy theorists.
Patrick Buchanan
Ahem, so you support the guy who wrote: ...he was also an individual of great courage, a soldier's soldier in the Great War, a political organizer of the first rank, a leader steeped in the history of Europe, who possessed oratorical powers that could awe even those who despised him...Hitler's success was not based on his extraordinary gifts alone. His genius was an intuitive sense of the mushiness, the character flaws, the weakness masquerading as morality that was in the hearts of the statesmen who stood in his path.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:59 amOh My God, who forgot to lock the gates at the GOPer zoo? The mods really should delete the accounts and posts of people who have no conection to reality. I read above something about Clinton not doing enough to prevent 9/11.
For the love of reality, please, please visit your local library or perhaps try WhiteHouse.gov and carefully examine the date when Baby-Georgie first took the oath of office. Now, I know this will be a mind bending experience, but if you look at the date very closely you'll discover that it was before 9/11/2001. Okay, in case you're still clueless, let me remind you that we only have ONE President in office at a time. So Mr. Clinton was not in office for about 8 months before 9/11 and Mr. Bush was in office for about 8 months before 9/11.
It's just more of the Rovian Sandbox Guide to Politics. I think chapter 3 is "But teacher, Johnny did it first..." We've heard GOPers do this for 6 years and it's still child's play. To see men acting like 5 year olds is embarrassing, but that's the modern GOP.
PS: Impeach Buch, Cheney, and Gonzo for no other reason than absolute love of country and the Constitution which is above any party or politician.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:12 amSpeaking of this whole situation with Gonzalez and contempt of congress - here is The Daily Show headline of this from last night's show. Really funny stuff.
VIDEO - Daily Show Alberto Gonzalez
July 26th, 2007 at 11:15 amhttp://beta.redlasso.com/Community/ClipPlayer.aspx?i=c77d717a-0e62-4f5e-be77-219ef330ba4f
ace is a troll. Let's look at the facts.
1. Constantly tries to change the subject.
2. posts large quantities of irrelevant content to try to break up the conversations in the comments
3. Posts cover arguments attempting to discredit TP commenters.
Good luck buddy. Go sell some crazy to Angelina Jolie.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:28 amComment by ben — July 26, 2007 @ 11:28 am
What's the matter, ben? Scroll wheel broken?
If you don't care to read what ace has to say, then scroll past his posts. It's easy. No one's making you read them.
As for "Posts cover arguments attempting to discredit TP commenters", isn't that what you're doing right now? Does that make you a "troll"?
(Of course not...it's OK when you do it, right?)
Many of us here value ace's contributions. If you don't, you might want to get that scroll wheel fixed.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:38 amAt long last, they finally got him. Fredo has been lying and we finally got him.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:57 amIt confirms NOTHING OF THE SORT. If anyone bothers to read what the freakin thing says it ONLY says who attended meetings where the topic covered was the TSP. It does NOT state other topics were not discussed, and it does NOT state what was discussed. Your attempt (and the AP's I might add) to use that document to attempt to discredit testimony is not only ridiculous it shows the way you read it to be just plain ignorant and stupid. Now. All you sheep keep baying and repeating what you think you heard about the memo and all you are doing is fooling yourselves, but that would be normal, now wouldn't it?
July 26th, 2007 at 12:10 pm"O. Bigfoot
Supported Pat Robertson
AKA: A religious nutter. Most popularly known outside of America for blaming Ms Degeneres for Katrina. Good judgement call there.
James “Bo†Gritz
Who is known for having tried tp unite rightwing and leftwing conspiracy theorists.
Patrick Buchanan
Ahem, so you support the guy who wrote: …he was also an individual of great courage, a soldier’s soldier in the Great War, a political organizer of the first rank, a leader steeped in the history of Europe, who possessed oratorical powers that could awe even those who despised him…Hitler’s success was not based on his extraordinary gifts alone. His genius was an intuitive sense of the mushiness, the character flaws, the weakness masquerading as morality that was in the hearts of the statesmen who stood in his path.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — July 26, 2007 @ 10:59 am"
Despite your apparent disdain for my voting preferences, yup, those are the guys!
Pat Robertson has also called for the assasination of Hugo Chavez in order to save lives. Since someone else brought up the greatness of Harry Truman, I will follow with this: Robertson is kind of like Harry Truman calling for the destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in order to save lives. Speak your mind, follow through, no grey areas. The difference is that Harry Truman actually had the power to follow through.
James "Bo" Gritz also called for an end to the control of the two-party political system here in the United States, which some think of as "two heads of the same snake". I wonder if ace was old enough to vote for Gritz back in '92?
Patrick Buchanan has also shown himself to be against the war in Iraq, and against U.S. interventionism around the world. Yet you only state a quote of his about Adolph Hitler. A quote which is absolutely true, by the way. In spite of Hitler's evil, he was a fascinating character in what he was able to accomplish during his lifetime. Who knows how far Hitler could have gone in destroying European nations and rebuilding them in his image had it not been for the United States' "interventionism".
Unlike many of you, I can disagree with points in someone's philosophy without hating the person, or disregarding their entire philosophy as a whole.
July 26th, 2007 at 12:23 pmAll this talk about Gonzalez lying, but the House has taken impeachment off the table. How do they propose to enforce this? This is a waste of time. A better approach would be to work with the State AGs, encouraging them to enforce arrest warrants against the President, VP, and Members of Congress.
These are offenses not against the United States, but We the People and the States: Thus, the President has no power to issue a pardon for the the final sentence.
July 26th, 2007 at 12:56 pmI heard the exchange on NPR this morning and do not remember him saying "It was not". Is there a link to an audio or video of the exchange? I can't see youtube here.
July 26th, 2007 at 1:51 pmPutting aside AG lying for the moment: The DNC and GOP have both been briefed since 2001; had the chance to review the surveillance; and despite "concern" either didn't block funding; or they failed to ask questions. They had the duty to document their concerns and forward "concerns" with illegalities to the US Atty.
What's happened since 2001? Look at page 2 of 4: Pelosi's name is all over the briefing list: She didn't need "subpoena power" to get anything: She's known all along; or knew that her questions were not getting answered, but she continued to rubber stamp. Despite all that, she's taken impeachment off the table: To ensure her knowledge of the illegal activity doesn't get raised. This is a 5 USC 3331 issue: She the DNC and GOP appear to have jointly not asserted their oaths since 2001. No other reasonable conclusion.
Time to get the State AGs to issue indictments against her, Conyers, DNC-GOP Members of Congress, President, VP, and others complicit with this illegal activity. Likely attaches to war crimes, legal counsel, and civilians involved with illegal activity.
July 26th, 2007 at 2:11 pmComment by O. Bigfoot — July 26, 2007 @ 12:23 pm
Big Zero, you are a piece of work. To say:
In spite of Hitler’s evil, he was a fascinating character in what he was able to accomplish during his lifetime. Who knows how far Hitler could have gone in destroying European nations and rebuilding them in his image had it not been for the United States’ “interventionismâ€.
Yikes!!! You admire Hitler!!! ....................Not good.
Hitler embarked on a war of aggression, not unlike Bush. Driven by his delusion that he was on God's mission.
Fortunately, genocide isn't (or doesn't at this point appear to be) on dub'ya's mind.
GWB started this disaster based on his desire to rectify what he perceived to be his father's failure. He appealed to greed, his own and that of his buds, as well as his utter faith in the ignorance of the American people, to get the thumbs up. This was not a war to stop a genocide, it was a war to settle a beef. Not yours. Not mine. Not the thousands of soldiers who sacrificed their lives. For his.
If Halliburton and the Bush "Rangers" can make a buck in the process . . . . Yee Haw!
Napolean complex run amok. Perhaps that's why you want to super-size yourself . . . size zero "big" foot.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:09 amAnon,
You raise good points. Why did Pelosi come right out of the box asserting that no empeachment proceedings were in the works? I'm a bit rushed, but that's a question that deserves an answer.
We must know who knew what and when they knew it.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:30 amRecognizing that Anon is a troll, I've got to say . . . here in blog-land, we are demanding action, and we are getting none. If dems are complicit in the various debacles, our good dems have no ultimate incentive to tackle these problems.
These facts and this knowledge could come back and bite dems.
Perhaps Pelosi has weighed the odds and decided to obfuscate.
Me? Dem, Repug . . . . don't care. Just want the truth.
Empeach the whole lot of them.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:46 am