Norquist’s Advice For Bush On Iraq: Make Groups Like MoveOn Look ‘More Extreme’
Norquist’s Advice For Bush On Iraq: Make Groups Like MoveOn Look ‘More Extreme’
Next week, Grover Norquist — head of Americans for Tax Reform and Abramoff crony — will meet with Karl Rove about the administration’s Iraq policies. In an interview with The Hill, Norquist says that he will tell Rove to change President Bush’s rhetoric:
“The one-paragraph explanation of what we’re doing in Iraq has to have the word ‘leaving’ in there,” said Grover Norquist, a conservative leader and the head of Americans for Tax Reform. “If Bush would move to ‘leaving,’ then other people, including the MoveOn.org people and the [Democrats], move to a more extreme position than you have, because they have put themselves in the anti-Bush position.”
Norquist…said Bush should reject a timeline and instead emphasize that he expects “fewer” troops in the region. If the administration changes nothing, it will allow Democrats to charge that the strategy isn’t working, which resonates with the public, added Norquist.
Bush has already tried emphasizing “fewer” troops. In his July 4 speech, Bush said that “we all long for the day when there are far fewer American servicemen and women in Iraq.” But he quickly added that withdrawing U.S. troops “prematurely” would “not be in our national interest.” In 2005, he said that he foresaw “fewer American troops” serving in Iraq in the next year; instead, he added more troops.
The American public wants more than rhetoric on Iraq. According to a recent ABC News/Washington Post poll, 55 percent of the American public supports “legislation that would set a deadline for withdrawing U.S. combat forces from Iraq by next spring.” Bush has already vetoed such legislation, and has promised to veto even a symbolic timeline of withdrawal.
All the spin in the world won’t make any difference unless Bush supports legislation with a timeline for redeployment.
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Grover on Sesame Street has more on the ball than Nordquist.
“The one-paragraph explanation of what we’re doing in Iraq has to have the words ‘stealing their oil’ in there,â€
There, that’s more realistic.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:09 pmMoveon.org is already extreme. One of their internet ads compared Bush to Hitler.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:09 pmHasn’t someone drowned him in a bathtub yet?
July 25th, 2007 at 12:09 pmIt’s amazing how hard they try to convince the majority of Americans that their opinions are in the minority.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:11 pmWingnut and lugnut logic from Grover
July 25th, 2007 at 12:12 pm“[Other groups would have to] move to a more extreme position than you have, because they have put themselves in the anti-Bush position.”
Ah yes, because it’s not like we were against the Iraq war for sound reasons that turned out to be correct, or anything like that. No, we just wanted to disagree with Bush for the fun of it!
Brilliant strategy, Grover. I bet it plays well on Sesame Street.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:12 pmGrover ought to be advising Bush to keep looking under the table for the missing WMDs.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:13 pmGrover is a Neocon criminal who should be put under arrest.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:14 pmLeave it to the politicians, thinking that the battle in the blogs is the live-or-die fight. Meanwhile, in Baghdad…
July 25th, 2007 at 12:15 pmDefinition of “grasp at straws” - To try any method, even those that are not likely to succeed, because you are in such a bad situation.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:15 pmJust like you body, your mind needs exercise, too.
Rush is on from 12-3pm est. Here’s a link to listen live:
http://www.640wgst.com/pages/listenlive.html
If you’ve never listened, you can prove to yourself how much a bigot, homophobe, racist and sexiest he really is. Or you can depend on liberal partisans for all your information.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:15 pmYou know that CarFax commercial with the car that’s been burned to a crisp and the ad first says “this car has minor fire damage” then he backspaces it and it says “this car is SMOKING!”
That’s how I see neocon speech writers…
“Iraq is a tinderbox about ready to blow-up since we invaded” backspace-backspace… “Democracy is EXPLODING in Iraq!”
July 25th, 2007 at 12:16 pmWith these fascist right-wingers, it’s all about fooling and misleading people for votes in order to stay in position to route tax dollars to their industry friends.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:16 pmBy Grover’s logic, if Bush calls for immediate withdrawal, the liberals will reflexively take the opposite position and demand our troops stay. If Bush says he screwed up, liberals will say he’s doing a heckuva job just so they can disagree with Bush.
I think I saw that episode of Sesame street where Grover played the opposite game with Snufalufagus.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:18 pmMoveon.org is already extreme. One of their internet ads compared Bush to Hitler.
And your point……?
July 25th, 2007 at 12:21 pmIt’s disgusting that Norquist is worrying about perception and strategies against Democrats and “MoveOn.org” instead of ending this war and bringing home the troops. The war these guys seem is between them and the Democrats, not Iraq.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:21 pmMost Americans probably think an “extreme” hardship is not being able to find their usual brand of useless junk and having to “suffer” with an alternative. Those of us who are intellectually capable of understanding what this country has become are already resigned to its fate. If you want any freedom at all, get out of here before the next domestically-orchestrated attack. I did say domestic. Our “leaders” are killing us and telling us it’s for our own safety. Either run, prepare to fight, or just go shopping you goddamn sheeple.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:21 pmFor them, it’s all about language.
And when you control the media, or at least the media buys into your message, it works too often.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:22 pmYeah, you go ahead and work on slogans and talking points. I’m sure the american fighting soldier and marine will fully understand your inaction due to the dire need to come up with better buzz words.
This man really doesn’t get that he doesn’t get it.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:23 pmIt’s for the same reason that Bill O. ALWAYS uses the term ‘the far left’; it gives the impression that the NeoCons are in the center.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:24 pmNorquist couldn’t reason his way out of a paper bag with a Zippi and sme kerosene.
Why he assumes that MoveOn will be forced to pick some position just because it is “not Bush” is beyond me.
Why he thinks that Dubya will co-opt a MoveOn position — rather than bull-headedly continuing his own sorry path just because it is his own sorry path and no one else is going to tell him what to do — is also beyond me.
Norquist has the “knee-jerk” strategists mixed up here.
Cheers,
July 25th, 2007 at 12:25 pmNordquest’s rep will preceed him and no one will put any credence on what this nut says. RUcerious in Post #1 said it all!
Besides, now a majority of americans KNOW who the extremists are and they’re the fascists sitting in Washington, DC. The collective consciousness of the american people is more in line with MoveOn.org these days.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:25 pmEver notice how all of these lockstep reichstag nazi/fascists are beginning to look like each other? I think there’s definitely a “dress for fascism” booklet out there and they’re all carbon copies of each other.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:26 pmMoveon.org is already extreme. One of their internet ads compared Bush to Hitler.
And your point……?
Comment by JG — July 25, 2007 @ 12:21 pm
JG, you should know that the only point to any post The Hack makes is to disrupt the thread.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:27 pmEver notice how all of these lockstep reichstag nazi/fascists are beginning to look like each other? I think there’s definitely a “dress for fascism†booklet out there and they’re all carbon copies of each other.
Comment by veritas — July 25, 2007 @ 12:26 pm
It’s all about those little flag pins. They make the man.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:28 pmIt appears that this rapidly imploding administration is grasping at straws while their backs are to the corner. The people need to keep pressing them into the corner and soon they will all crumble like babbling babies….that is, after they load their diapers!
July 25th, 2007 at 12:28 pmALWAYS uses the term ‘the far left’; it gives the impression that the NeoCons are in the center.
Comment by ∞Ω
I always wonder that. How far is that left? An arm, 100 yards or miles?
Trolls come here and say things like far leftist and liberals like they were synonims.
I think they should get a plane, travel around the world, talk to other people and then get back and get a clue about how far was that left. They will be shocked.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:28 pmThese Neocon fascists just don’t get it. They think that they can control everything so long as they control the message.
I look forward to the day that Norquist dons prison garb and steps behind the big wall for a few years.
I expect a titanic struggle to emerge within the GOP when their permanent minority status becomes apparent to them after the next election. Someone is going to pay for the ruin of the party, and you can bet that goons like Rove and Norquist are going to top the charts when the bloodletting begins.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:28 pmSince this group of thugs is all about “smoke and mirrors” - appearances and perceptions they haven’t a clue as to how the real world works. They’re continuing to make absolute fools of themselves every day. It’s downright embarrassing to watch them crap all over themselves.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:29 pmbut newtie is advocating that dumby shut up…
what a quandry…
July 25th, 2007 at 12:30 pmNew Shibolleth: If anyone ever says “MoveOn.Org” they are a Republican. Just something I noticed.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:30 pmVerbalkint: I was just reading about how the loss of a good many seats in 08 is now a foregone conclusion according to the GOP. The bloodletting HAS already begun, it would appear. Let the blood flow…goodness knows, this GOP of war mongers and bush enablers has plenty of blood to go ’round.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:31 pmUh oh. It could be time to update:
July 25th, 2007 at 12:32 pm“The Official Republican Iraq Talking Points.”
Comment by paul — July 25, 2007 @ 12:15 pm
I listen to him a bit almost every day.
He needs about 5 minutes to prove that he is a xenophobic misogynist.
He is also a liar and a fearmonger.
It’s not really an exercise of my mind. He challenges my mind very little. It’s really more a test of my ability to tolerate a narrow-minded bigot who has the absolute right to be as offensive as he pleases.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:33 pmNorquist couldn’t reason his way out of a paper bag with a Zippi and sme kerosene.
Why he assumes that MoveOn will be forced to pick some position just because it is “not Bush†is beyond me.
Comment by Arne Langsetmo — July 25, 2007 @ 12:25 pm
Arne, forgive me truncating your good post, but I think the reason Grover thinks that MoveOn would adopt a position just because it is “not Bush” is actually two reasons:
1. that’s the way they think: either “A” or “B” but never “AB”, BA” or any possibliity involving any other letters,
and
2. because they have no respect for dissenting viewpoints. They can’t conceive of opposition as actually being grounded in reason and conviction that comes from a different perspective. If someone disagrees with Bush, it’s because they suffer from “Bush Derangement Syndrome” and not because they see deep, deep flaws in the President’s policy and decision-making.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:33 pm#2 Moveon.org is already extreme. One of their internet ads compared Bush to Hitler.
Comment by The Eck — July 25, 2007 @ 12:09 pm
Easily compared, and this does not include the classic defintion of fascism by William Todd
“Fascism is on the march today in America. Millionaires are marching to the tune. It will come in this country unless a strong defense is set up by all liberal and progressive forces… A clique of U.S. industrialists is hell-bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democratic government, and is working closely with the fascist regime in Germany and Italy. Aboard ship a prominent executive of one of America’s largest financial corporations told me point blank that if the progressive trend of the Roosevelt administration continued, he would be ready to take definite action to bring fascism to America.”
former U.S. ambassador to Germany William Dodd in 1938
1. Invoke a terrifying internal and external enemy.
2. Create a gulag.
3. Develop a thug caste.
4. Set up an internal surveillance system.
5. Harass citizens’ groups.
6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release.
7. Target key individuals.
8. Control the press.
9. Dissent equals treason.
10. Suspend the rule of law.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:34 pm#4 Exactly -
The entire republican party seems to be nothing but a marketing campaign. The hate and extremism of the republicans turns so many people off that they have to be marketing themselves 24 hours a day as something that they are not….moderate.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:35 pmJust start using this term, “The Regressive Right Wing Party” !
July 25th, 2007 at 12:37 pmwow, grover sounds like he really cares about the 150,000 american men and women currently in iraq.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:37 pmYah, those hateful and extremist republicans burning flags at anti-everything rallies, assaulting soldiers, shooting-up RNC offices, breaking windows at recruiting centers, advocating death to the President…damn republicans!
July 25th, 2007 at 12:37 pmCheap propaganda techniques
July 25th, 2007 at 12:40 pmIts scientific fact that republicans are far more extremist than liberals, proven time and again by thorough and insightful experiments in controlled environments.
U.S. out of America! NOW!
July 25th, 2007 at 12:41 pmIs it possible for MoveOn to look more extreme!?!?!?!
July 25th, 2007 at 12:42 pmDemocrats should be promoting their responsible withdrawal plan (the Reed/Levin amendment) as a PEACE PLAN. The Reed/Levin amendment makes the important step of insisting on diplomacy and it calls for the U.N. to act as a peace broker in Iraq.
There is no way that PEACE can be viewed as extreme by the right or the left.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:43 pmswampgas
3. Develop a thug caste.
One thing going in our favor is the thug caste is Biley’s 70 year old ranting in front of it’s TV set whilst polishing its dentures on the TV tray.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:43 pmLibTeenie, if your post at #40 was meant to be a troll dropping, your technique could use some refinement.
I couldn’t figure out what point you were trying to make, if you were trying to make one at all.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:43 pmHow many lefty members of MorOn.org are here today? All of you? No shiite?
July 25th, 2007 at 12:43 pm#11 Rush is on from 12-3pm est. Here’s a link to listen live:
comment by paul
HEY DITTO HEAD!!
You posted this exact same thing on several other threads.
ARE YOU A PAID TROLL FOR THE RUSHER?? If so, move on, we wuill go there when we need some additional comedy other than watching Gonzo get his ass handed to him…. and by a REPUG (Contrary to what Faux NoNooz tried to tell us.)
July 25th, 2007 at 12:43 pmHow could he possibly include the word “leave” - we are in the process of building 14 PERMANENT MILITARY BASES in Iraq.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:44 pmLibTeenie, if your post at #40 was meant to be a troll dropping, your technique could use some refinement.
I couldn’t figure out what point you were trying to make, if you were trying to make one at all.
Comment by mikey r — July 25, 2007 @ 12:43 pm
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It’s satire, I think…
July 25th, 2007 at 12:45 pmand it calls for the U.N. to act as a peace broker in Iraq.
Tried once, the U.N. took a hit and ran like hell. An organization that assigns Libya and Iran to its human rights council cant be considered as anything more than a third-rate circus.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:45 pmRed Sox Sam -
That is Perfect! ” The Regressive Right Wing Party”, Regressive Republicans.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:45 pmAlways tack on “regressive” when talking about a republican.
Excellent. Spread the word. Now that is something that could stick.
Bosox Sam
July 25th, 2007 at 12:46 pmHowza bout the Far Right Regressive NeoColonics.
Is it possible for MoveOn to look more extreme!?!?!?!
Comment by Thrasymachos — July 25, 2007 @ 12:42 pm
Probably not to you, Mr. Pee.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:46 pmDoesn’t Norquist realize that the word, advice, is not in Bush’s vocabulary.
Bush does things HIS WAY and only HIS WAY. And it goes without saying, that’s why our country is in the mess we’re in.
Maybe Nancy Reagan can persuade Bush to listen to an astrologist. It’s worth a try. Nothing else is working. DESPERATE TIMES REQUIRE DESPERATE MEASURES.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:46 pmI couldn’t figure out what point you were trying to make, if you were trying to make one at all.
Im not surprised you didnt understand, youre a liberal troll after all. Now shoo.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:47 pmIt’s satire, I think…
Dont bother thras, libs arent known for their sense of humor. How can you laugh when there is so much INJUSTICE in the world? They should have some sort of solidarity march.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:49 pmupside00. Well, twice. But, I thought this place could use it. You sound open-minded. Did you tune in?
July 25th, 2007 at 12:49 pmAn organization that assigns Libya and Iran to its human rights council cant be considered as anything more than a third-rate circus.
Comment by LibTeenie
I agree. Only the US, Israel and the G-8 must break human rights while seemingly helping other people.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:49 pm#55 Bush’s astrological sign is Cancer. They are known to crawl into their shells at the first sign of trouble.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:50 pmI agree. Only the US, Israel and the G-8 must break human rights while seemingly helping other people.
Tee hee, cue the scary music. You put your trust in Ahmadinejad, feel free, I hope youre not gay or planning on wearing shorts anytime soon.
Its time to organize a solidarity march.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:52 pmYah, those hateful and extremist republicans burning flags at anti-everything rallies,…
Comment by LibTeenie
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Why should you neothugs do these things?
July 25th, 2007 at 12:52 pmBush/Cheney, and the rest of you @ssholes have destroyed many more people and much more property.
Hilarious. Another wealthy glutton who doesn’t want to pay taxes, as if that wealth wasn’t totally enabled by him living in this country. If he was sincere about reducing government waste rather than trumpeting failed Reagan-era economics he may wish to start advocating for us to end the foreign occupation - I’m sure THAT’s costing a few tax dollars. What a tool.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:53 pmNewsflash, Weenis!
About 75% of the American Public and 95% of the global population are in the “anti-Bush” position, and it wasn’t anyone other than Bush himself who caused that REALITY to be the case.
Speaking of dogs that won’t hunt, perhaps it’s time for you and dead-eye to git ya some birds.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:53 pmI listgen to him sometimes, just to hear what is his fun topic of the day. But he has a huge credibility problem and always will with intelligent people who find his hypocrisy on his drug thing and his “not carrying their water” staement abouyt Dubya then goes right back to supporting his whole bunch of NeoCon BushCo Coorporatists.
Do YOU really believe his schtick?
July 25th, 2007 at 12:53 pm“Moveon.org is already extreme. One of their internet ads compared Bush to Hitler.
Comment by The Eck”
So, it’s an accurate comparison and one that is becoming more and more apparent as time goes on.
I am constantly amazed at how the Republicans seem to think that they can accomplish anything they want through “advertising”. They believe that if you tell a lie enough times, somewhere along the line it becomes truth to people. The problem is, Bush has worn out his lies. He’s the classic case of the “Boy who cried wolf” and now no one believes anything he says.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:54 pmThey are known to crawl into their shells at the first sign of trouble.
Now what are the odds that the entire democrat party would be composed of Cancer’s? Im amazed.
Plus we get the double entendre: dems are Cancers in the sky and cancers on the nation.
Lets march.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:54 pmIt’s funny how you people eat your own. Bush couldn’t even know Grover Norquist, hell wasn’t he one of Abramoff’s cronies and we all know that Bush never met the Abramoff dude.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:56 pmI liked Grover so much that I named one of my lap dogs after him.
Its time to organize a solidarity march.
Comment by LibTeenie
Didnt you say that just a moment ago? Guess it didnt have the punch you expected.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:56 pmLibTeenie - Are you completely unhinged? Many of us here on this liberal site are liberals. Go figure.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:56 pmI’d gladly listen to Rush if he would start off each show by telling the audience what his current dose of OxyContin is, when he took his last meds, and how much of a hypocrite he is.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:56 pmHave any of you perused that mug shot of the Grover at the top of this thread?
If he isn’t a candidate for the poster boy of the Ted Haggard “Homo intervention and treatment program”, I can’t imagine a better one !!
Another hypocritical NeoCon wasting God’s air!
July 25th, 2007 at 12:57 pmdras, and Sesame street like him so much they named one of their most dufoid muppets for him!
July 25th, 2007 at 12:57 pmComment by LibTeenie — July 25, 2007 @ 12:37 pm
Ever seen a falg burned in the States? Just curious as it seems a topic people like to mention despite the fact that it almost never occurs
July 25th, 2007 at 12:57 pmNewsflash, Ace. There is a Jooo hiding in your closet, planning to slit your throat with his Jooo claw.
If you were smart you would find the nearest synagogue and burn it down, keep those nasty Jooos from taking over the world.
Lets have a anti-Jooo solidarity march!
July 25th, 2007 at 12:57 pmThe Repubs can repackage and spin their message all they want, but the fact remains that a majority of Americans are tired of our soldiers getting killed over there for no good reason. As long as this continues, Americans won’t believe it’s not chickensh!t just because it’s now called chicken salad.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:58 pmLibTeenie - Are you completely unhinged? Many of us here on this liberal site are liberals. Go figure.
You are all morons too. Go figure.
We need to have a march to celebrate that fact. Juan C. can lead the way!
July 25th, 2007 at 12:59 pmEver seen a falg burned in the States? Just curious as it seems a topic people like to mention despite the fact that it almost never occurs
Yes I did, New York City not too long ago. They burned a flag though, not a falg.
July 25th, 2007 at 1:01 pm#75 Newsflash, Ace. There is a Jooo hiding in your closet, planning to slit your throat with his Jooo claw.
If you were smart you would find the nearest synagogue and burn it down, keep those nasty Jooos from taking over the world.
Lets have a anti-Jooo solidarity march!
Comment by LibTeenie
TROLL RACIST ALERT!!!!!!
Mr p is off his meds again and is spouting his anti-isreali crap again.
TP ADMIN Can we get this mess cleaned up on Aisle 75 please????
July 25th, 2007 at 1:01 pmSo the goal is to pacify the angry crowd. Is Norquist passing Jack Abramoff advice to Rove?
July 25th, 2007 at 1:02 pmLib-Teenie, another troll that changes its moniker. They come in cycles like plagues.
July 25th, 2007 at 1:02 pmIm tired of the liberal trolls screwing up this site. TP needs to clean them out and put this site back on track.
July 25th, 2007 at 1:02 pmThey come in cycles like plagues.
Similar to dems gaining control of the houses or WH. Plagues.
July 25th, 2007 at 1:03 pmDont bother thras, libs arent known for their sense of humor. How can you laugh when there is so much INJUSTICE in the world? They should have some sort of solidarity march.
Comment by LibTeenie — July 25, 2007 @ 12:49 pm
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I’m sorry, you’re right, of course. There is the Evil, Evil Bush and Cheney Crime Syndicate, there are the Evil, Evil JOooOOoOOoooOOOOos, not to mention that America is EVIL!!!
… don’t even get me started about the neoCons…
July 25th, 2007 at 1:03 pm..
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pssst… they’re evil………………………………………………
LibTeenie’s antisemitic tripe preempts any reasons for engaging with em any further.
July 25th, 2007 at 1:04 pm#84 Now he is even talking to himself. UP THE MED DOSE, STAT!!!!
July 25th, 2007 at 1:04 pmMr p is off his meds again and is spouting his anti-isreali crap again.
TP ADMIN Can we get this mess cleaned up on Aisle 75 please????
Comment by upside00 — July 25, 2007 @ 1:01 pm
July 25th, 2007 at 1:05 pm————————————————–
It seems that the comment you are referring to is not about Israelis, but rather… EVIL, EVIL JOOOOOOooooooOOOOOOOOOOS!!!!
Poor Mr. Pee, the teenie-hung troll.
July 25th, 2007 at 1:06 pmI posted an article on multiple personality disorder and asked you to seek treatment, it looks like that plea fell on deaf ears. You really are sad. It will be your karma to reincarnate as an earwig.
Im tired of the liberal trolls screwing up this site. TP needs to clean them out and put this site back on track.
Comment by LibTeenie — July 25, 2007 @ 1:02 pm
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I too, am tired of Libtrolls screwing everything up!
COME ON, TP!!! YOU SAID YOU WERE GOING TO FIX THIS!!!
July 25th, 2007 at 1:06 pmOn topic:
What? Another stupid move by the Bush admin? mmm…
Lets see:
1) OBL
2) WMDs
3) Al-Qaeda
4) Climate Change
5) Civil war
6) Talibans
7) Gas price
Gee… they are right about everything.
July 25th, 2007 at 1:07 pmlibs arent known for their sense of humor. How can you laugh when there is so much INJUSTICE in the world? They should have some sort of solidarity march.
Comment by LibTeenie — July 25, 2007 @ 12:49 pm
On the contrary. I got quite a chuckle from your post. It’s amusing watching a neophyte struggle with language and logic. It wouldn’t be funny, of course, except that you do it with such a conviction that you make sense. THAT’s what makes it funny.
Carry on. I’m enjoying this.
July 25th, 2007 at 1:08 pmLets have a anti-Jooo solidarity march!
Comment by LibTeenie — July 25, 2007 @ 12:57 pm
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HOW DARE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?
THIS IS INCORRECT!!!!!
IT’S:
an anti-Jooo march.
AND DON’T YOU FORGET IT!!!
July 25th, 2007 at 1:08 pmlike i said on the other thread…
July 25th, 2007 at 1:09 pmrepublicans are declaring war on liberal internet activists. expect this to continue full on until november 08
Yes I did, New York City not too long ago. They burned a flag though, not a falg.
Comment by LibTeenie — July 25, 2007 @ 1:01 pm
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Ever seen a false-flag burning?
I have. I’ve also seen a false-falg burning.
July 25th, 2007 at 1:10 pmWhat’s the matter, Mr. Pee? Not enouugh mean libs are talking to you? You have to create another reality-challenged screen name to “converse” with?
Sad, son, very sad. Not that you ever had a lot of promise, but it’s still sad.
July 25th, 2007 at 1:13 pmYes I did, New York City not too long ago. They burned a flag though, not a falg.
Comment by LibTeenie — July 25, 2007 @ 1:01 pm
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Ever seen a false-flag burning?
I have. I’ve also seen a false-falg burning.
Comment by Thrasymachos — July 25, 2007 @ 1:10 pm
I would be interested in the specifics but not from antisemites.
July 25th, 2007 at 1:14 pmRagingGurrl,
Thanks so much for Bush’s A-S-S-trological sign.
George W. Bush is one Cancer that pulls into a S-H-E-L-L Service Station at the first sign of trouble. How can you blame the guy? Shell Oil is about his only friend left.
A-S-S-trological? Bush is an ass who’s not L-O-G-I-C-A-L. Gee, maybe this astrological stuff is making sense!
July 25th, 2007 at 1:19 pmSo, Grover is insincere and he strives to make our little woodenhead president Pinocchio appear insincere too. Grover hates Bush!
July 25th, 2007 at 1:23 pmTROLL ALERT! TROLL ALERT!
LibTeenie = Thrasymachos = Mr. President
July 25th, 2007 at 1:23 pmBack on thread, Mr. Norquist’s ideas remind me of Hitler during his last days. He’s making plans that can’t possibly change anything. He’s rejecting our reality and substituting his own. He’s harbouring the belief that this administratrion will rise like the phoenix from its ashes and fly forth in splendor. Its a really pretty fantasy, but its still a fantasy. Unfortunately, no matter how much they don’t want it to happen, reality is gonna bite this administration in the ass. Its easy to make excuses. Its hard to face reality
July 25th, 2007 at 1:23 pm#99 TROLL ALERT! TROLL ALERT!
LibTeenie = Thrasymachos = Mr. President
Comment by troll alert
We all know that and the best thing is to just ignore it and it will slither back into the basement if it gets no attention.
July 25th, 2007 at 1:24 pm#100 Mr. Norquist’s ideas remind me of Hitler during his last days. Comment by Leporello
Now if we could only have another “bunker bash” like Adolf and Ava had, things might improve!
July 25th, 2007 at 1:27 pmLibTeenie = Thrasymachos = Mr. President
Comment by troll alert — July 25, 2007 @ 1:23 pm
July 25th, 2007 at 1:34 pm———————–
2 outta 3 ain’t bad.
#35 spit take:
Arne, forgive me truncating your good post, but I think the reason Grover thinks that MoveOn would adopt a position just because it is “not Bush†is actually two reasons….
You’re quite right. I was simply pointing out that Norquist is an eedjit in thinking so. Thank goodness…
Cheers,
July 25th, 2007 at 1:37 pmupside00,
I think Grover is a very confused guy in many areas of his life.
I think Ted, Mark, and Grover should take vacations together. You know, fly to cities featuring the hottest GIRLS at the hottest strip clubs.
They could all have a gay old time.
July 25th, 2007 at 1:42 pm“All the spin in the world won’t make any difference unless Bush supports legislation with a timeline for redeployment.â€
I wish that were true. The sad fact is that it DOES make a difference because the typical american voter is misinformed and gullible. These tactics worked like a charm in 2000 and in 2004. Also, look at the polls immediately after bush addresses/spins the nation. His approval rating increases despite regurgitating the same old crap. There are millions of simpletons out there that take this shit seriously.
Sad, but true.
July 25th, 2007 at 1:45 pm#58 Paul:
upside00. Well, twice….
Twice too often. We know where to go looking for the piece’o’shit when we smell the stink.
… But, I thought this place could use it. You sound open-minded. Did you tune in?
I’ve tuned in quite often, thank you. You’re an eedjit for suggesting that we’re unaware of what droppings of wisdom are left behind by His Emanence Rush.
One such dropping was his insistance that because one study gave an answer of 63 (just representative numbers; can’t remember the actual one OTTOMH) and then another using different methodology gave a number of 37, that the actual number is thus 0. But then again, His Emanence is a drop-out, and hardly even a novitiate ikn the methods or science or statistics.
But, sad to say, there are so many piles of scat that His Emanence leaves, it’s hard to pick which ones to avoid sometimes.
Now go infest someplace that is more on your intellectual level.
Cheers,
July 25th, 2007 at 1:47 pmHerein lies a fundamental flaw in this abominable administration. Bush and his ilk, including unlovable, furry ol’ Grover, neither embrace nor understand leadership—they know only salesmanship, and poorly. Regrettably, I find this all too appropriate for a society saturated by perpetual corporate advertising and beholden to material gain. Please welcome George W. Bush, the Marketer-in-Chief.
July 25th, 2007 at 1:47 pm#105 Comment by John Gilpins
Yea, he and Jack Abramoff and PudgeBoy Rover were all in the Young Repugs in college. I can only imagine the “fun” that trio must have had!! YECHHH!!
July 25th, 2007 at 1:56 pmCompletely OT, but wasn’t Nordquist OJ’s character on Naked Gun??
July 25th, 2007 at 2:10 pmGrover’s wrong. There’s only one way for Bush to resonate with the public at this point:
He needs to hold a press conference and announce, “Even I hate me” and begin kicking his own ass on camera.
They could brodcast it on pay per view and use the proceeds to pay off the national debt!
July 25th, 2007 at 2:11 pmupside00,
I really don’t know how much fun they had.
Power is their main motivation in life and you don’t become powerful without stepping on a few toes along the way. They play in the big leagues and it gets pretty rough at times.
July 25th, 2007 at 3:09 pmYou mean he’s not going to tell Chimp to drown Iraq in a bathtub?
July 25th, 2007 at 3:24 pmWhy isn’t Grover (and Gale Norton) in jail, yet?
July 25th, 2007 at 4:08 pmthis piece of shit should be in federal prison doing time for laundering Abramoff’s ill- gotten millions, with his boyfriend Ralph Reed, not blathering to other scum and giving chimpy and KKKarl rove advice.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:19 pmBUT, I think a bare majority of the public has begun to realize how full of it they are.
maybe,…………..
This guy is a piece of CRAP!!! Another right-wing pig spewing his garbage. How in the hell can these scumbags get sooooooooooooooooooo much face time in the “LIBERAL MEDIA”?????????
July 25th, 2007 at 4:25 pm“The one-paragraph explanation of what we’re doing in Iraq has to have the word ‘leaving’ in there,†said Grover Norquist…
Grover, please, take your own advice and just LEAVE my country.
July 25th, 2007 at 4:59 pmA few words for Grover to look up:
(a) Sociopath
July 25th, 2007 at 5:02 pm(b) karma
(c) empathy
(d) soul
(e) conscience
Grover plays with linguistics while the killing and maiming continues in Iraq. He at once hates government even as he counts on it for continued profit.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:08 pmWith these fascist right-wingers, it’s all about fooling and misleading people for votes in order to stay in position to route tax dollars to their industry friends.
Comment by WaltinTexas — July 25, 2007 @ 12:16 pm
Fooling and misleading people?
You mean like, for example, demanding increased spending and calling it “investment” in order to re-route tax dollars to the bloodsucking base of the Democrat party–the trial loyahs, unions and welfare recipients?
Or relabeling your failed, despised, regressive political philosophy “progressive?”
Or trying to ram through your unpopular, unwanted socialist agenda by playing up mostly phony issues, like global warming, the uninsured, and racism?
As for fascism, only one party uses the force of government to silence political opponents, take citizens’ property, restrict their use of guns and administer race-based benefits. And only one party idolizes dictators, murderers, cop killers and deviants of all kinds.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:09 pm#199 Quiz…He only wants to drown the social government programs, the New Deal Programs. Because those are bad! He doesn’t want to drown the Military Industrial Complex. Its good!
July 25th, 2007 at 5:20 pmWhat to do when confronted with a stubborn problem that will just not to away? Worse still, the problem also happens to be self-inflicted.
Do you look for new ideas? Change your course of action? Call for a meeting to brainstorm potential solutions?
Of course not!
Bury your head in the sand, change the wording to describe the issue, pretend you actually have found a solution and that the situation is improving. When confronted with facts, deny, deny, deny.
Genius -absolute genius I tell ya!
July 25th, 2007 at 10:03 pmLeave it to Bathtub Norquist to think you can win a rhetorical battle involving NOT leaving Iraq by masking it in language that suggests you are.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:53 pmJust like you body, your mind needs exercise, too.
Rush is on from 12-3pm est. Here’s a link to listen live:
http://www.640wgst.com/pages/listenlive.html
comment by Paul
I can’t think of many people who need physical exercise as well as a drug-free mind more than Rush.
July 26th, 2007 at 1:37 amWhy isn’t Grover in jail? He was extorting money from Abranmoff and I’m guessing even a cursory examination of his books would reveal all kinds of dirty deals.
July 26th, 2007 at 12:06 pmRegarding the comparison of Bush to Hitler, someone said that Hitler was a Great Speaker.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:32 pm