O’Reilly On His Message Board: ‘When We See Objectionable Things, We Take It Off Immediately’
O’Reilly On His Message Board: ‘When We See Objectionable Things, We Take It Off Immediately’
Fox News pundit Bill O’Reilly has embarked on a smear campaign to marginalize the netroots through a full frontal assault on the Daily Kos site. First, he was able to pressure JetBlue into distancing itself from the upcoming YearlyKos convention. Now, he is focused on preventing presidential candidates from attending the conference next week.
Last night on the O’Reilly Factor, he labeled Daily Kos a “hate website.” His guest, Howard Wolfson — a political adviser for Sen. Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign — defended the netroots as a community of people “participating in our democracy.” O’Reilly responded by cherry-picking a few comments that were demeaning and derogatory towards Clinton, prompting Wolfson to note that O’Reilly’s own site contains similar garbage:
WOLFSON: Bill, even your website has things on it that you would find objectionable.
O’REILLY: That’s bull. Look, we know what you’re going to say because the Kos planted someone in there. But when we see objectionable things, we take it off immediately. They traffic in it.
Watch the interview:
Yesterday, ThinkProgress perused the O’Reilly messageboard (available only to paid subscribers) to examine the contents of the comments posted there. We found Bill Clinton referred to as “cow manure,” Hillary as “the she devil,” Obama as “the anti-Christ,” and other derogatory remarks. Contrary to O’Reilly’s claim that “objectionable things” are taken off immediately, these comments are still on the site this morning:
I thought that Bill Clinton was a piece of cow manure, but he still was the President of the United States. [posted by vvatc, 7/23/07, 8:23 PM PT]
Yeppers, the she devil is the smart one. A turn towards the right does that for people. She’s crafty! [posted by Martha Wells, 7/24/07, 3:11 AM PT]
Obama may well be the anti-Christ for the way the media builds him up as the savior for all of the ills in the country. [posted by Mike Piche, 7/19/07, 5:56 PM PT]
RE: Illegal immigrants worth fighting for??? they breed likes rats 100 make 1000 in 9 months [posted by bullpen, 7/16/07, 11:16 AM PT]
My daughters looking through it the other day, sees Chertoff, says, “is that the guy in charge of our homeland? He looks like a Nazi mom.” I concur. [posted by Debra Sanders, 7/15/07, 9:48 AM PT]
Aravosis has more here and here.
Previously, O’Reilly blasted ThinkProgress as “hired guns” who are “paid to smear people.” He also suggested that the best way to deal with the blogosphere is to “go in with a hand grenade.”
Editor’s Note: It is very difficult to sanitize comments sections. While each blog should have a terms of use policy that restricts hateful or threatening commentary, it is extremely difficult to find the resources to enforce these policies around the clock in a fair way. ThinkProgress commenters know this as well as anyone. O’Reilly shouldn’t be trying to smear blog sites by cherry-picking a few unrepresentative comments. If he has objections to front-page posts, he should voice them.
UPDATE: Lane Hudson has more.
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Well clearly those things aren’t objectionable… to Bill O’Reilly.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:23 amHe looks like a Nazi mom.†I concur. [posted by Debra Sanders, 7/15/07, 9:48 AM PT]
you’d think THAT one would be the first to go…
there’s a deb sanders in my town… huh…
amazing that people would pay to post on oLIElly’s message board…
July 25th, 2007 at 11:24 amSo O’Reilly’s a lying whore. Again.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:25 amWhy on earth does he even care about KOS?
Unless he feels threatened by bloggers calling him out for the loser pervert that he is.?
July 25th, 2007 at 11:26 am…pants on fire
July 25th, 2007 at 11:27 amWhy waste space on this guy. It only encourages him.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:28 amAlthough I must admit that the comment about breeding “like rats” is pretty offensive.
Those comments above are nothing compared to the deranged hatred that runs through virtually every thread at Kos, HuffingtonPost and ThinkProgress.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:28 amnothing objectionable to a man who likes-a to loof-a….
July 25th, 2007 at 11:29 amWhat say you, Mr. O’Reilly? And no bloviating.
they breed likes rats 100 make 1000 in 9 months[posted by bullpen—– That one’s my favorite. Just doing the math in my head, I’m pretty sure that 100 could only make an additional 50 in 9 months, barring multiples. But to make 1000 would mean that 50 women had to carry an average of 20 babies in 9 months. That’s gotta be some kind of record.
These posts WILL be taken off, now. And I bet he’ll be only too proud to pat himself on the back for it.
Oh yeah, and I think it’s ridiculous to charge for access to your site. I thought only porn sites did that.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:29 amDid TP just miss his excuse for the posts? He states they’re there because Kos had someone plant those messages.
Or am I missing something?
“because the Kos planted someone in there”
July 25th, 2007 at 11:29 amThe Prince Of Intolerance speaks!.
O’Liely: Shove it. Now I’d like to see my comment on your TV show…oh, that’s right: I don’t watch your show!
And also, O’Liely: Did ya ever suspect that maybe, just maybe, those examples you read are ‘con trolls?
July 25th, 2007 at 11:29 amusually spouting by idiotic retarded trolls like you, Ringo.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:29 amWhy on earth does he even care about KOS?
Unless he feels threatened by bloggers calling him out for the loser pervert that he is.?
Comment by RUCerious
Bill flies into a hissy fit whenever anyone badmouths him, which is certainly enough to set him off on one of his crusades. But I suspect he’s just the front line for a planned attack on netroots and the Democrats by Republics who feel justifiably threatened as we head toward 2008. They’ll continue to press this in order to discredit critics of the administration and the Republics as “loonies”, much as they have successfully discredited all of the anti-war voices over the last few years — the voices that have been demonstrably right, I might add.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:31 amThis coming from the guy who built his show on confrontation, lies, and vitriol.
O’Reilly just can’t stand that he’s becoming irrelevent.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:32 amThis is projection, purely. We all know trolls here who only exist to throw hand grenades and should have no doubt about who pays them for it.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:32 amOh yeah, and I think it’s ridiculous to charge for access to your site. I thought only porn sites did that.
Comment by SGT Higgins
Limbaugh does the same thing, I believe. It’s not just that they’re all about the money, but it does tend to weed out anyone who would argue with the host. Limbaugh and O’Reilly are not exactly big on dissension.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:33 amEvery time you pay attention of O’Reilly, you give O’Reilly what he wants ~ attention. Stop paying his salary and get back to us when it’s a police blotter.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:34 amI agree with Ringo. Even I have posted pretty offensive things.
BTW, about the rats thing… well, that says all about the quality of people posting there.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:35 amRingo -
Dude. You pretend as though every right wing blogger or commentor has a halo that floats over their head.
There are people on both sides that take it too far and use hateful language. There are bad apples in both the liberal and conservative barrels. Duh. For O’Reilly to cherry pick a few comments and then label the entire site a ‘hate site’ is disingenuous at best.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:35 amComment by Ringo
Although I must admit that the comment about breeding “like rats†is pretty offensive. — THAT’S the only comment you take offense to? Let’s just look at that one closer. “Illegal immigrants worth fighting for???” —- This suggests that because an immigrant is illegal, they are somehow sub-human, and not worthy of defense. That’s not only offensive, it’s dangerous.
Those comments above are nothing compared to the deranged hatred that runs through virtually every thread at Kos, HuffingtonPost and ThinkProgress. — I can’t speak for the other sites, but when you see ‘hatred’ on this site, it’s legitimately aimed at individuals, not entire races. Not a defense, but there is a difference. And you just contributed to that by referring to the hatred as ‘deranged’. Are you a psychologist, or is that your hateful opinion?
Comment by Ringo
July 25th, 2007 at 11:36 amIf this site is a good example, the language here would be much nicer without the contributions from trolls. The rabid anger and contempt from the right on this site seems rile up the loyal TPers.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:37 amNot that I’m arguing against trolls. Free speech and all. But trolls certainly egg on people to drop to low levels of discourse. Unfortunately, they succeed far too often.
I go to most of the popular blogs on the right and left. The hatred on the lefty blogs is much more pronounced. It’s not even close.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:38 amWhat is said on the TV show is so objectionable, I can’t imagine the forum being any worse.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:40 am“Limbaugh and O’Reilly are not exactly big on dissension.”
No kidding. Both screen calls and only let people on that agree with them. Kinda like Bush and his handpicked ‘town hall’ meetings. What is with conservatives squashing dissent?
I’ve tried a few time calling into Rush’s show (when I can stomach a few minutes of actually listening to it to see what the other side is cooking up) to point out a few rather obvious lies or over generalizations. When the screener asks what I want to talk about and I honestly tell them… ‘click.’ Not even a polite, “I’m sorry, we only want people who agree with Rush” or “No thank you. We can’t have our audience think that Rush might be making crap up.” They just hang up.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:40 amI personally dont care too much about words or insults or that kind of stuff unless they are personally directed knowing a weak spot in the person being insulted like making fun of a disability, dead parents or relatives, etc. Trying to humiliate or hurt intentionally should be forbidden.
And as we exchange words and comments, people are dying in Iraq for a cocktail of reasons that have been changing since the first day in order to support we all knew were but a rude attempt of getting Iraq resources and surrounding Iran.
People defending that are pissing on all those dead bodies. Thats insulting.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:42 amToliver -
Which blogs Toliver?
Which are the ‘most popular’ blogs on the left and right that you visit?
And how did you determine ‘hatred’ was more pronounced on the left?
And how many hours of Fox News do you watch each day?
July 25th, 2007 at 11:44 amFox Network = Ann Coultier = Sean Hannity = moot issue.
Hey Ringo: You want to take any bets that nearly all of the comments O’Liely quoted are ‘cons?
Free speech: Don’t leave home without it…even if it offends somebody.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:45 amI hope that with TPs editors note… it means TP is saying that just because they cherry picked their OWN comments from Bills site… doesn’t mean those in charge of Bills site don’t try and get rid of all they can too.
Yes, it’s difficult for TP to erase all bad comments, and it should be the same will Bills site.
Where Bill is wrong of course, is trying to make it seem like only left-wing blog sites have the hateful comments, and trying to pretend that his site has NONE.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:46 amI’ve tried a few time calling into Rush’s show (when I can stomach a few minutes of actually listening to it to see what the other side is cooking up) to point out a few rather obvious lies or over generalizations. When the screener asks what I want to talk about and I honestly tell them… ‘click.’ Not even a polite, “I’m sorry, we only want people who agree with Rush†or “No thank you. We can’t have our audience think that Rush might be making crap up.†They just hang up.
Comment by bobcat_grad
Next time, try sounding really stupid or just sound like a fringe leftie during the screening. If it looks like it would be really easy to make fun of you on the air, I bet they let you through.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:48 amO’Reilly is refusing to look in the mirror.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:48 amThe Daily KOS removes any comments that are not in line with their Stalinist anti-American hate philosophy. They are as much about free speech as Hitler loved the Jews.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:49 amToliver is absolutely correct, the hatred is far more pronounced on the Left.
Conservative blogs tend to ban commentors who leave hatefilled, crazy or threatening posts while the Lefty blogs seem to thrive on it. Huffingtonpost can’t even allow comments on threads about Dick Cheney’s health because of all the death wishes. And read the comments at HuffPo or Kos when a thread is posted about Israel, many Lefties (especially those posting from Europe) can hardly contain their anti-Semitism.
There is simply no comparison.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:51 amHey, baby put down that pipe and get my pipe…. UP!
July 25th, 2007 at 11:53 amABC (#28), I agree with what you said.
I should add that we’ll be deploying new comments features soon (hopefully) that will help us moderate the blog.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:55 amwhy does billo care about kos (or kristol, or any other wingnut)?
this is another conservative preemptive war, folks. republicans are sensing that they’ve lost the internet and the only way to erase the advantage is to poison the well:
a) change the rules (see net neutrality), and
b) enact a smear campaign wherein online activists are demonized as hate-mongers equivalent to nazi sympathizers or kkk members. that way you make pariahs out of bloggers.
with free speech and unhindered access, the playing field is level and the market has decided that liberal blogs are more popular. what’s a good republican to do? change the rules, even if it means restricting the field for everyone, including conservative bloggers.
o’reilly’s mighty wurlitzer is certainly spewing pure propaganda, but the meme is going to be hammered from now until november 2008 (and beyond if the results aren’t an overwhelming democratic victory): blogs are bad, hate is their trade and it’s debasing our society.
this is the first full-on assault in the war for ideological supremacy of the internet.
if they win the net will be a vastly different place. i fully believe they have no qualms with the metaphorical nuking of internet speech, and it’s the citizens who will suffer for it.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:56 amForgive me if someone posts the same thought, but I think the difference between right-wing and left wing sites is that left-wingers don’t engage in eliminationist rhetoric; they say they’d like to kick someone’s ass for a specific act, like outing a covert CIA agent, or lying about WMD’s, but right wing sites routinely allow nut-jobs to talk about killing those they don’t like. The difference is the left’s anger is specific, while the right’s anger is more unfocused, and about what group one belongs to, or what one believes.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:57 amThere is simply no comparison.
Comment by Ringo
That’s the problem with free speech. As long as you tolerate it, you have to allow some pretty unpleasant words — much as we see here constantly from so-called “conservatives”, usually operating as trolls.
The wingnut blogs delete or ban anyone dissenting from their dogma, which makes it simpler to winnow out the “hateful”. And, of course, they get to define what “hateful” includes, which means anti-Clinton screeds, anti-immigrant, anti-gay comments are perfectly OK. Not hateful at all, just impassioned.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:57 amI truly love the left is anti-semitic baloney. I can guarantee there are far more Jews on the left than the right.
The comment forums are open to free expression. All kinds of people will comment and many of them will say some nasty things.
But deliberately blurring the difference between a posting by Kos or any other blogger and a comment by a reader is cheap and pathetic.
You’re not going to win any arguments about whether the left is nastier or hatier than the right. It’s a matter of opinion. Unfortumately for you trolls and neocon fascists in the house, your opinions over the last 6-7 years have proven to be utterly worthless.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:58 amThey don’t want a debate, they just want a place to spew their lies and anti-American crap. It seems that every loser in this country, every abled body that has shun work, shun the productive life and has lived a lazy existence of video games, bong hits and skateboarding has become a liberal. It is with the liberals that you can attempt to destroy what you can’t have - through your own falt and recklessness. Anger due to self destruction - so let’s take it out on the world. KOS is the bastion of such a place.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:58 amWhere Bill is wrong of course, is trying to make it seem like only left-wing blog sites have the hateful comments, and trying to pretend that his site has NONE.
Comment by Anonymous By Choice — July 25, 2007 @ 11:46 am
that’s it… in a nutshell… the hypocrisy…
… of course, it’s well known that the righty sites do not allow
July 25th, 2007 at 11:58 amcomments by dissenters of that ideal… only cheerleaders…
and any vitriol” directed towards lefty’s will be hailed as
evident yet profound truths …
…
Doesn’t Biley’s site have a note that it isn’t monitored???
July 25th, 2007 at 11:58 am“Huffingtonpost can’t even allow comments on threads about Dick Cheney’s health because of all the death wishes.”
Slightly different than actually threatening others, such as is seen on right-wing sites, daily.
July 25th, 2007 at 11:59 am35 - spot on, they have lost. and now worst of all, they are getting the real and correct sense that the punditocracy is about to be overthrown.
DOWN WITH THE PUNDITS!
July 25th, 2007 at 11:59 amthe hatred is far more pronounced on the Left.
Comment by Ringo
Yes, we supported an invasion, 500,000 civilians dead and 3500+ of your soldiers. Yep.
There is simply no comparison.
You got that right.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:00 pmThe difference is the left’s anger is specific, while the right’s anger is more unfocused, and about what group one belongs to, or what one believes.
Comment by barfly
Spot on. How many times do we have loonies advocating ethnic cleansing of Muslims, bombing Iran, shooting immigrants, etc.?
#40 - KOS deletes any post from anyone who disagrees with their warped philosophy. They are not interested in a debate, only a spew fest of anti-American hate.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:01 pmI should add that we’ll be deploying new comments features soon (hopefully) that will help us moderate the blog.
Comment by Admin
Hooray!
If you need any help, just ask. You’ve got my email address, and I’m more than willing to pitch in.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:01 pm“They don’t want a debate, they just want a place to spew their lies and anti-American crap. It seems that every loser in this country, every abled body that has shun work, shun the productive life and has lived a lazy existence of video games, bong hits and skateboarding has become a liberal. It is with the liberals that you can attempt to destroy what you can’t have - through your own falt and recklessness. Anger due to self destruction - so let’s take it out on the world. KOS is the bastion of such a place.”
Comment by John Sacks
This proves my previous point. Notice how the hatred is unfocussed, and directed at those whom this person considers fair game, because of their supposed beliefs and lifestyle.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:02 pm39. yeah no hate here LOL
you’re all cupcakes and rainbows and kittens and hearts
Do you “folks” realize what a complete joke you are?
July 25th, 2007 at 12:02 pmringo, toliver,
the problem is that when the forum is open and people post under fake identities (as you do), you have no way of telling whether the post is by a liberal, conservative, atheist, theocrat, jew, anti-semite…
…or merely someone posing as such in order to create the sense that a certain online community is prejudiced in some way or another.
and i’m not sure what you’re talking about, because i see plenty of hate to go around, no matter what the ideological bent is.
(apparent) right-wing trolls here and at huffpo certainly spew hatred on a daily basis.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:02 pmTP had to peruse hundreds of threads before finding those few derogoratory remarks.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:03 pm…pretty tame compared to what’s usually posted here…
July 25th, 2007 at 12:03 pm#47 - KOS deletes opposition opinion (not hate comments) all the time. I see it every day over there.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:03 pmThanks, Juan. Alan Berg wasn’t killed by left-wingers.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:04 pmOne more thing - YOU are anti-American, my leetle Trolls! WE are the majority. You respresent a mere 25% of the population now. Did you read that? That’s ONE QUARTER. As in you’re outnumbered 3 to 1. You can no longer claim to represent America when you are but a small and diminishing minority.
Get a clue.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:05 pmJohn Sacks
KOS deletes any post from anyone who disagrees with their warped philosophy. They are not interested in a debate, only a spew fest of anti-American hate.
Ummm, in a word, No?
As much as I try and stay away from that site, there are conservative/libertarian comments in the few threads I’ve been in, as long as they are in good taste.
Vice President Bush
you’re all cupcakes and rainbows and kittens and hearts
But I’m allergic to kittens.
Do you “folks†realize what a complete joke you are?
July 25th, 2007 at 12:06 pmAt least this way we get to laugh.
again, the right is losing the internet and this is their response. expect a full assault until november 08
July 25th, 2007 at 12:06 pmAs far as the spew, if a conservative chooses to jump into a debate on a liberal site - very true here, KOS and anywhere else - the personal attacks and anti-American hate speech is immediate. The problem is that the conservative jumps down to that level and fights fire with fire. The entire discourse in this country is a joke in my opinion. Who is to blame? Well, I don’t remember leaders from the Conservatives taking peronal shots at people like the Pelosi’s and the Reeds of todays 16% favorable Congress. I think it started at the top with them and has poisoned the entire debate.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:06 pm“Well, I don’t remember leaders from the Conservatives taking peronal shots at people like the Pelosi’s and the Reeds of todays 16% favorable Congress.”
oh sacks, please. that’s inane. they’re doing it as we speak, attacking reid for “getting nothing done” even as they obstruct the senate.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:08 pmI posted a comment on KOS indicating why I thought Obama was not qualified to be President. I simply stated that as a junior senator - that having absolutely no executive experience indeed made im nonqualified. No hate, no personal attacks - and boom - comment deleted. I have had several of these types of comments deleted over there. Their version of free speech is neither free nor really good speech.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:08 pmThis is an effort and an arguement we will not win because O’Reilly and the right-wingers are not arguing from a rational, logical or reality-based position. To them, anything negative said about Bush, the administration, the right, or any policies associated with them is instantly labelled as “hate”. It isn’t a matter of them seeing posts advocating for the death of Bush…they see simple posts such as “Bush sucks” or “Bush is a moron” as being “hate” regardless of what evidence we will use to back our position behind forming those opinions.
It is just another case of reality having a liberal bias, and the right wanting to shut up anyone who would dare point out the flaws and hypocrisy in their thinking, or the danger of Bush’s policies to America and the world. No amount of logic, exposing hypocrisy or double-standards, or evidence is going to make them change their mind or back down. They will simply label your fighting back as more evidence of your hatred and your unhinged anger.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:09 pmComment by Vice President Bush
And thats hateful? You should be an Iraqi and watch your country being blown apart. Then you will know hate, otherwise, sshhh.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:09 pmWhy do progressives or D’crats even go on O’Reilly? Why?
July 25th, 2007 at 12:09 pmBill needs to feel powerful. He needs to be percieved as powerful. So he goes on these crusades to try to demonstrate his power.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:09 pmWhen he is in attack mode, angrily comparing bloggers to nazis and mobsters, he has strayed about as far from being a “newsperson” as one can get.
What do viewers get out of that kind of rant? Does it inform them in any way? Who, other than Bill, benefits?
#47 - KOS deletes opposition opinion (not hate comments) all the time. I see it every day over there.
Comment by John Sacks
But not here. Quit broadbrushing everyone with your rhetoric, as if it were endemic of “the left.”
Your post shows the unfocused anger I alluded to. Did typing all that sterotypical hogwash, “It seems that every loser in this country, every abled body that has shun work, shun the productive life and has lived a lazy existence of video games, bong hits and skateboarding has become a liberal. It is with the liberals that you can attempt to destroy what you can’t have - through your own falt and recklessness.” make you feel powerful?
It’s unhinged, and exposes a propensity for two-dimensional thinking.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:09 pmIt only seems unhinged to those that are living the lifestyle.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:11 pmif they win the net will be a vastly different place. i fully believe they have no qualms with the metaphorical nuking of internet speech, and it’s the citizens who will suffer for it.
Comment by lonesomerobot — July 25, 2007 @ 11:56 am
(one of) my worst fears…
agree totally… we cannot become complacent about
July 25th, 2007 at 12:11 pmNET NEUTRALITY… we’re gonna have to fight for it, i worry…
…
#64 - my guess is that Ward Churchill is one of your heros.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:11 pmIf the fairness doctrine is ever passed, the government will simple give the Internet to the left.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:12 pmAnd as we exchange words and comments, people are dying in Iraq for a cocktail of reasons that have been changing since the first day in order to support we all knew were but a rude attempt of getting Iraq resources and surrounding Iran.
People defending that are pissing on all those dead bodies. Thats insulting.
Comment by Juan C — July 25, 2007 @ 11:42 am
Well said, Juan. :)
July 25th, 2007 at 12:12 pmWhen the terrorists are eleminated, when those that would rather cut your face off with a piano wire than live in a civilized world are gone, this war will continue. If not, you haven’t seen blood the way it could flow in our streets. 9/11 was not your wet dream, it was reality son.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:14 pmIt only seems unhinged to those that are living the lifestyle.
Comment by John Sacks
Do you ever venture outside of that carefully-constructed stereotypical world, and experience the real thing?
It would appear not.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:14 pmThe right is losing the battle online. This is because they can’t fix the game like an NBA ref which they can on TV. Online, only the better argument wins in the mind of the reader. And the left has a fair opportunity to rebut any argument which is not the case on TV.
You’re losing online because your arguments, rationalizations and excuses are sh!t.
Ooops! I said a bad word. I’m so vile and despicable! LOL!
July 25th, 2007 at 12:14 pmI should add that we’ll be deploying new comments features soon (hopefully) that will help us moderate the blog.
Comment by Faiz — July 25, 2007 @ 11:55 am
Fantastic!
July 25th, 2007 at 12:15 pmTP and O’reilly have more in common than you think : they both erase posts.
It’s getting to look a lot like China…
July 25th, 2007 at 12:15 pmWell said, Juan. :)
Comment by Zehava
You must be new.
I always say things well. (I couldnt resist) :D
How are you, Z? I posted photos on facebook. What about you?
July 25th, 2007 at 12:15 pmJohn Sacks
If the fairness doctrine is ever passed, the government will simple give the Internet to the left.
But will it be gift-wrapped?
Additionally, the most viewed political website, KOS, is left, as well as the majority of web hits in general to political blogs that are tracked, so the fairness doctrine, while hurting the right in radio, would help the right in the interwebs.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:15 pm#70 - you have no idea what I have lived and seen in this world.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:16 pmIt only seems unhinged to those that are living the lifestyle.
Comment by John Sacks — July 25, 2007 @ 12:11 pm
That’s just ridiculous. I don’t know anyone who lives like that — left or right.
You should get out more.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:16 pmIf the fairness doctrine is ever passed, the government will simple give the Internet to the left.
Comment by John Sacks
Why do you so fear honest debate? The Fairness Doctrine would allow righties to break that old “msm” bubble, wouldn’t it? Or is it because you fear being exposed as an unserious thinker?
July 25th, 2007 at 12:16 pmHow are you, Z? I posted photos on facebook. What about you?
Comment by Juan C — July 25, 2007 @ 12:15 pm
I’ll look at your pictures and send you a message. :)
July 25th, 2007 at 12:17 pmFaiz
I should add that we’ll be deploying new comments features soon (hopefully) that will help us moderate the blog.
your making a few regulars moderators?
July 25th, 2007 at 12:17 pmsacks, you clearly don’t understand the fairness doctrine at all.
it’s about equal time for opposing viewpoints, not ideological domination of a medium by one side or the other. get a grip.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:18 pm#75 I don’t think your metrics are that accurate. Back that web stat up pal.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:18 pm“because the Kos planted someone in thereâ€
O’Reilly needs to re-adjust his tin-foil hat.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:20 pmUnfortumately for you trolls and neocon fascists in the house, your opinions over the last 6-7 years have proven to be utterly worthless.
Comment by Vice President Bush — July 25, 2007 @ 11:58 am
i don’t know how “worthless” they are…
considering how DAMAGING to our civilization they have been…
utterly defenseless, maybe… utterly wrong, surely…
July 25th, 2007 at 12:20 pm…
Honest debate is already there. What is the left afraid of? The free market of ideas does not fit their model well since they have not been able to compete - so they complain. I love it.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:21 pmHe said “objectionable” not “offensive.” The remarks cited are probably not objectionable to O’Reilly and his worshippers, and hence, will not be removed.
Whereas anything remotely liberal is probably seen as highly objectionable!
July 25th, 2007 at 12:21 pm#70 - you have no idea what I have lived and seen in this world.
Comment by John Sacks
Nor do I care. I merely point out your insular, two-dimensional world-view.
Now, this bong-smoking alcoholic has to go to his job.
Later.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:21 pmA couple of things to consider: O’Reilly only attacks things by which he feels threatened. He’s goiung after Kos now with the same fervor that characterized his attacks against NBC (proxy for Keith Olberman).
When O’Reilly (and the trolls) blithely dismisses the “objectionable” comments found on his site as “planted” by Kos operatives, doesn’t that raise as equally likely the possibility that the comments on Kos were planted by O’Reilly operatives, who wouldn’t even have to pay for access?
And finally, the open access to progressive sites like Kos and TP inevitably ratchets up the harsh rhetoric. When everyone agrees with you (as on so many right-wing sites that ban dissenters in a heartbeat) the conversation stays nice and mellow. But, as trolls know and depend on, conflict tends to intensify emotional responses to issues, and when the forum is as anonymous as this one, language becomes the only weapon available. Some are willing to take it to extremes in order to get their point across. (Others just get frustrated at the obtuseness of trolls whose only purpose is to disrupt, but that’s another issue.)
July 25th, 2007 at 12:22 pmyou have no idea what I have lived and seen in this world.
Comment by John Sacks
Thats a Lestat line in Interview with a Vampire?
I’ll look at your pictures and send you a message. :)
July 25th, 2007 at 12:22 pmComment by Zehava
You dont have to. :)
You re ok?
Air America is a perfect example of not being able to compete in the free market. Is it because there is simply not a large enough audience for them? Somewhat true. Is is because the so called mainstream media already feeds their lefty needs for spew and hate? Somewhat true. It is a fact though that those that push this so called fairness doctrine are more about silencing popular opinion than debating the issues.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:23 pm“Honest debate is already there. What is the left afraid of? The free market of ideas does not fit their model well since they have not been able to compete - so they complain. I love it.”
what you just said applies to the internet as well, and even moreso, because corporate conglomerates do not own the majority of blogs as they do radio stations. the competition is free and open and if liberal blogs weren’t winning you wouldn’t be seeing these attacks.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:24 pm#75 I don’t think your metrics are that accurate. Back that web stat up pal.
Comment by John Sacks
Uh,oh, Squeege; he’s on to you!
*snerk!*
July 25th, 2007 at 12:24 pmHonest debate is already there. What is the left afraid of? The free market of ideas does not fit their model well since they have not been able to compete - so they complain. I love it.
Comment by John Sacks
So what’s your purpose in being here — honestly?
July 25th, 2007 at 12:24 pmWhat are you afraid of?
“Honest debate is already there. What is the left afraid of? The free market of ideas does not fit their model well since they have not been able to compete - so they complain. I love it.”
You mean how totally unlike the right complains about the MSM? The Liberal Media? I guess the free market has decided that people want to see “lefty” TV news and lefty papers too. So the right should stop complaining, right, since the free martket has decided? You know, since they “have not been able to compete - so they complain.”
July 25th, 2007 at 12:24 pmRight?
“Air America is a perfect example of not being able to compete in the free market. Is it because there is simply not a large enough audience for them? Somewhat true.”
the operative term for mr. sacks: echo chamber.
sorry sacks, you are now repeating right-wing dogma verbatim. the overwhelming majority of radio stations are owned by a very few corporate conglomerates and they know who butters their bread - republicans. the market is closed.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:26 pmWhen I want serious debate and discussion about the issues facing us today, I don’t come here that is for sure. Liberal blogs are more amusing than usefull, and very telling of the modern liberal. I see no new ideas nor do I see why their candidates are better - all I see is why the other guys suck and why the world is such a shitty place because of the other guys. As I read these comments I see one of the strongest economies in history, no new terror attacks on US soil since 9/11 and major military offensives against the bad guys. Today Obama was overheard talking about how he is the most qualified candidate for foreign policy. That definagely made me laugh out loud.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:27 pmJohn Sacks
I don’t think your metrics are that accurate. Back that web stat up pal.
The biggest blogs in the blogosphere, as measured by unique links in the last six months.
http://technorati.com/pop/blogs/
The Huffington Post and DailyKos are the first political ones to show up, didn’t bother to look past that.
Heres another by Unique visters by day
http://truthlaidbear.com/TrafficRanking.php
DailyKos is the first political one I noticed
Now I didn’t feel like totaling the first X amount of right and left sites links/hits/whatevers to back up my second point, but feel free to go for it yourself if you want.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:29 pm“sorry sacks, you are now repeating right-wing dogma verbatim. the overwhelming majority of radio stations are owned by a very few corporate conglomerates and they know who butters their bread - republicans. the market is closed.”
– Corporpate conglomerates only care about one thing and that is dollars. If Air America had the ratings that many of the conservative talk shows have then they would still be around - because they would be making money for their bosses.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:30 pmbarfly
Uh,oh, Squeege; he’s on to you!
*snerk!*
That hurt me here:
*points to heart*
Which is good, because it means I can feel it today.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:31 pmI can’t believe that righties are still using “Air America” as an example of left-wing radio “not working.” Have they checked their radio dials lately? Air America is not only still around, they are growing! They file for bankruptcy due to bad accounting practices, yes, but the company still exists. Even their beloved Fox News wasn’t profitable for like 10 years after its creation. The difference is that Fox News had Rupert Murdoch’s MASSIVE pockets to draw funds from, whereas Air America ran dry and had to file for bankruptcy.
Not to mention Ed Shultz, Stephanie Miller (who got excellent TV ratings too), Bill Press, and the others. They have nothing to do with Air America and are very successful too, especiall Big Eddy who is growing and making money hand over fist!
July 25th, 2007 at 12:33 pmThat’s funny since you have yet to back up a SINGLE claim you’ve made on this thread.
Once again, some troll holds others to a standard he himself cannot obtain.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:33 pmBased on Alexa.com ratings:
July 25th, 2007 at 12:36 pm1) The Drudge Report: 329
2) Salon: 1,250
3) Newsmax: 1,315
4) World Net Daily: 1,799
5) Real Clear Politics: 2,361
6) TownHall: 3,410
7) The Christian Science Monitor: 3,869
8) Daily Kos: 4,066
9) The Rush Limbaugh Show: 4,073
10) Common Dreams: 4,445
11) Antiwar.com: 4,516
12) The Democratic Underground: 4,674
13) The Village Voice: 6,422
14) Instapundit: 8,242
15) The Weekly Standard: 8,450
16) AlterNet: 8,522
17) Little Green Footballs: 10,015
18) Buzzflash: 10,068
19) The Nation: 10,121
20) Lucianne: 10,191
John Sacks is great!! His comments are some of the funniest things i’ve read in a long time!! All that great neocon rhetoric and hypocrisy: Fabulous!! I love how he complains that there is no debate on the left-wing blogs. Why debate these brilliant comedians!! I’m only here for the show :)
July 25th, 2007 at 12:42 pmcorporate conglomerates also care about who is writing the laws in their favor, sacks.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:43 pmCorporate conglomerates are definately going to fight the so called fairness doctrine. This legislation has little if no chance of making it to law unless a Democratic President is elected.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:45 pm“O’Reilly On His Message Board: ‘When We See Objectionable Things, We Take It Off Immediately’”
Well, that is a whole lot more than I can say for some blogs…
July 25th, 2007 at 12:47 pm“unless a Democratic President is elected”
Thankfully there’s not much time left before that happens
July 25th, 2007 at 12:48 pmJohn Sacks
Based on Alexa.com ratings:
From what year?
If you actually go to alexa.com you’ll get much different ratings.
For example:
Instapundit 24,583
daily kos 4,860
townhall 7,768
And just to cover my spread, please don’t post anything from this source:
July 25th, 2007 at 12:48 pmhttp://www.rightwingnews.com/special/topblogs.php
It’s from 2003, and isn’t that useful currently.
O’Reilly is sputtering with impotent rage because the Democrats won’t debate on Fox. Who in his/her right mind would go on this republican propaganda network (except for Holy Joe Llieberman, of course)?
July 25th, 2007 at 12:48 pmHmmmm,
A Troll pissing on himself while barfing us some pathetic logic to defend Rightards.
Same shit, different day, eh?
Mr. Sacks, you’re in way over your head here. This isn’t about winning arguments. We are doggedly changing public opinion.
Be forewarned; if you stay here too long you just may join us!
July 25th, 2007 at 12:55 pmAgain, the real issue is being clouded while we discuss the straw man that O’Reilly has created. This isn’t about who has the nastiest comments, it is about the truth and facts represented in the articles.
Regardless of the comments, if you are going to bash a site, do it on the merits or faults of the content they provide. Attacking their policy on user comments is silly. I think this site should have some sort of registration because comments are getting out of hand; however, that is an opinion and is extremely subjective. I think if you can’t discuss an issue without swearing, then you probably should be filtered out - that will clean up alot of peoples postings, but that is only my opinion. Not many people will agree to what is “offensive” or should be filtered.
It is ridiculous to discredit a web site - and all its information with it - because of the content they don’t filter. It should be judged on the content it produces. If you have an issue with that, then show where they are inaccurate to PROVE the site is false or a “hate site”. I would be very surprised if an TP article could reasonably be labeled as “hate speech” even if you disagree with the content.
Not to mention, you can tell as much about a poster by the way they comment on an issue as you can by the content of their post. This is helpful when taking into account their credibility as well as whether you can have a productive discussion with them.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:56 pmWhere is this “fairness doctrine” troll food coming from? I can’t remember ever hearing a single liberal advocating for its return. The only thing I’ve heard (which I also agree with) is the return of media ownership restrictions. One company owning all media outlets in a city (all TV stations, phone service, internet service, all radio stations) is down-right Orwellian. And yes, it happened during the Clinton years, so what? Does that mean I agreed with it when it happened? NO! That was Clinton’s biggest mistake next to NAFTA.
July 25th, 2007 at 12:56 pmGET OVER TO AMERICABLOG.COM…THE SECRET SERVICE IS ON O’REILLY’S ASS!
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July 25th, 2007 at 1:01 pmsquegeeboo,
(#107) LOL!! I was thinking the exact same thing. Where did John Sacks get that information? Definitely not from alexa.com. If so, then not recently. Try again Johnny boy…
July 25th, 2007 at 1:01 pm#112:
Heh. Busted, BO. Your poster with over 1000 posts on your site is being investigate by the Secret Service.
Yup. Your site is filled with reasonable, lovely people - right?
I expect an apology and a retraction.
July 25th, 2007 at 1:07 pmBe forewarned; if you stay here too long you just may join us!
Comment by Zimzone — July 25, 2007 @ 12:55 pm
Johnny Sack won’t ever change his opinion — for one thing, he’s a wingnut. For another thing, he’s not a real person. He’s a creation of Mr. pee, useful for whatever pruposes Mr. pee has in trolling these boards. Agreeing with himself, expressing way-out ideas that he doesn’t want asscoiated with his “good name” (whichever name he’s using at the time), whatever.
July 25th, 2007 at 1:16 pmHmm…my office has a filter program that blocks Americablog.com because it’s porn?
July 25th, 2007 at 1:19 pm“Unless he feels threatened by bloggers calling him out for the loser pervert that he is.?”
That’s part of it. The bigger part is the same reason why the neoCONs are in a full frontal attack on the blogs. They see the netroots bloggers as an extreme threat to their ability to keep hold on the power they have achieved through their lies and criminal acts. If it was not for the blogisphere, many people would have no idea what is really going on in our government. They sure aren’t going to hear what’s important from the MSM. I don’t take any newspapers and I don’t watch any news programs on TV. I get all my news from the internet.
July 25th, 2007 at 1:20 pmNow Bill Orally has even threatened death on Sen. Clinton and Sen Obama if any one of them becomes President. The Secret Service right now is investigating that.
God, If only we can send Billo to one of our own secret prisons.
July 25th, 2007 at 1:27 pmA person who told Cheney his policy was “reprehensible” was
ARRESTED FOR ASSAULT.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/ 2007/ 07/ 25/ cheney-criticizer-arrested-for-assault/
RIP, Amerikkka!!!
July 25th, 2007 at 1:29 pmGod, If only we can send Billo to one of our own secret prisons.
Comment by JIMBO — July 25, 2007 @ 1:27 pm
As much satisfaction as this would give me, I can not advocate that. We are only the good guys if we ACT like the good guys. The minute you start falling back on your morals because “they did it” you become just as bad as “them”. That is exactly what is happening in this country.
You must ALWAYS take the high road, even if the low road is quicker or appears more effective.
July 25th, 2007 at 1:34 pmthose that push this so called fairness doctrine are more about silencing popular opinion than debating the issues.
funny… the only ones “pushing” the fairness doctrine talk
July 25th, 2007 at 1:36 pmare right wing scaredy cats…
…
There’s a screenshot at Americablog of Bill O’s page, with a thread on whether or not people would respect HRC if she was elected. The responses give the lie to all the wingnuts who whine about Bush-bashing, blah blah, need to respect the commander in chief blah blah. Not surprising, of course.
July 25th, 2007 at 1:36 pmYou must ALWAYS take the high road, even if the low road is quicker or appears more effective.
Plus, if you take the low road, you and your true love will never, never meet On the bonnie, bonnie banks of Loch Lomond
July 25th, 2007 at 1:42 pmYou must ALWAYS take the high road, even if the low road is quicker or appears more effective.
Plus, if you take the low road, you and your true love will never, never meet On the bonnie, bonnie banks of Loch Lomond
Comment by squegeeboo — July 25, 2007 @ 1:42 pm
you just made your mom, and me, very proud!
July 25th, 2007 at 1:45 pm…
I was intrigued about the possibility of Obama being the Antichrist. Is this a supportable argument (if a religious argument truly could be)?
July 25th, 2007 at 1:45 pmkaty
you just made your mom, and me, very proud!
Sorry Katy, the high road comment was DanCaveman’s not mine. I just went with the easy Scottish reference off of it.
Not that I disagree in any way with his comment, which is why I picked the line from the song about the bad half of the low road, not the good half (Being in Scotland afore ye)
fredsanford
July 25th, 2007 at 1:49 pmI was intrigued about the possibility of Obama being the Antichrist. Is this a supportable argument (if a religious argument truly could be)?
Um, I have a lovely timeshare I’d like to show you?
Hmm…my office has a filter program that blocks Americablog.com because it’s porn?
Comment by Wilco — July 25, 2007 @ 1:19 pm
They cover a lot of gay issues. Maybe that’s it?
July 25th, 2007 at 1:57 pmI already sent an email to Keith Olbermann in hopes that he covers Felafel Boy’s newest meltdown.
If there’s a possibilty of prison time, maybe he can show his cellmate the proper way to handle a felafel. In turn the cellmate can show him the proper way to handle a bar of soap.
July 25th, 2007 at 1:58 pmSorry Katy, the high road comment was DanCaveman’s not mine. I just went with the easy Scottish reference off of it.
Comment by squegeeboo
I’m sure your mom is proud of you anyway, Squeegy.
July 25th, 2007 at 1:58 pmRead the Lane Hudson link. Apparently, he’s the one who called the Secret Service. Thanks Lane. If you destroy Billo, you might have
saved us from his Goebbels-like propaganda.
WE SALUTE!
July 25th, 2007 at 2:04 pmZehava
I’m sure your mom is proud of you anyway, Squeegy.
Only way she’d be prouder is if I was in a kilt playing a bagpipe right now, and sadly the kilt company still doesn’t have the one I want in stock.
They cover a lot of gay issues. Maybe that’s it?
July 25th, 2007 at 2:10 pmbrilliant.
Um, I have a lovely timeshare I’d like to show you?
Comment by squegeeboo
Timeshare, hmmm? That sounds like a sound conservative winning investment to me. Send me some information.
July 25th, 2007 at 2:15 pmI can’t wait to whatch tonight’s “Countdown with Keith Olbermann”.
July 25th, 2007 at 2:17 pmIt’s probably going to be a real doozy.
“I thought that Bill Clinton was a piece of cow manure”
And someone has a problem with the above statement?
July 25th, 2007 at 2:36 pmOnly way she’d be prouder is if I was in a kilt playing a bagpipe right now, and sadly the kilt company still doesn’t have the one I want in stock.
Comment by squegeeboo
No Hawaiian print?
July 25th, 2007 at 2:52 pmSay, Baby, put down that pipe and get my pipe… UP!
— Bill O’Reilly
July 25th, 2007 at 5:14 pmPeople say mean things on the internet?! How could that BE?! What an outrage!
Welcome to the 21st century, Bill-o.
~Sean
July 25th, 2007 at 5:16 pmChertoff does look like the Nazi from the Indiana Jones movie. compare:
http://www.indianajones.com/ museum/ exhibit/ photochronicles/ img/ photochronicles012.jpg
and
http://www.ruggedelegantliving.com/a/images/Michael.Chertoff.jpg
They both have the same smug look of self-certainty and taking joy in the suffering of others. I think you can do better than the comments you post as an example of the hate - Kos has a post up where Oreilly’s commenters have already prompted an investigation by the secret service. Nice going, assh0les!
July 25th, 2007 at 5:45 pmSorry Katy…
Comment by squegeeboo — July 25, 2007 @ 1:49 pm
aaaw… well, i still see signs of hope…
and, yes, your mom is proud of you anyway…
July 25th, 2007 at 5:55 pmmost of the time…
:-)
Hasn’t this ass polyp died of syphillis yet?
July 25th, 2007 at 5:56 pm“And someone has a problem with the above statement?”
Yup, by Bill O’Reilly’s standards, that’s “hate speech.”
July 25th, 2007 at 11:43 pmFortunately, as a patriotic American citizen who served in the U.S. Air Force in the early 1970s and who firmly believes in truth, justice and the American way, I prefer Factual News over Foxtual News, which is why I never watch Fixed Noise or O’Lielly. They aren’t into “factual” at all. They spout Foxtual News, which is completely opposite factual news in every way.
July 26th, 2007 at 1:40 amI thought that Bill Clinton was a piece of cow manureâ€
And someone has a problem with the above statement?
Comment by michael — July 25, 2007 @ 2:36 pm
Yes, because the poster really meant to write, “and I thought that michael the troll was a piece of cow manureâ€
July 26th, 2007 at 3:10 amGood grief. These reichwingers have their hatemongers on the public airwaves every single day - Billo, Sean et. al; they own 90% of the radio airwaves, they own the vast majority of the newspapers (Rupert Murdoch, anyone?) - and all they can do is bitch and piss and moan about how hateful WE are??
Give me a fleeping break.
July 26th, 2007 at 12:48 pmFor those who haven’t seen this YOU HAVE TO SEE THIS. Stephen Colbert does a brilliant spoof of O’Reilly’s DailyKOS crusade on his show last night.
VIDEO - Colbert Spoofs O’Reilly KOS Anger
July 26th, 2007 at 2:30 pmhttp://beta.redlasso.com/ Community/ ClipPlayer.aspx?i=c9d00694-0e2e-4375-badd-b936c4af875a
Corporpate conglomerates only care about one thing and that is dollars.
Comment by John Sacks — July 25, 2007 @ 12:30 pm
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This is the first time I’ve read thru’ a thread here and have been astounded at the inaccuracies and (as someone else mentioned) the unfocused hate spouted by Mr. Sacks.
That’s why I didn’t expect to see him post anything true.
You are right, Mr. Sacks. Corporations, which are by definition RIGHT WING, care only about one thing and that is the almighty dollar. They don’t even care if it’s American dollars.
With all my love,
July 29th, 2007 at 2:37 pmAunty Em