Senate passes ‘Wounded Warrior’ bill.
Senate passes ‘Wounded Warrior’ bill.
The Senate passed legislation today to overhaul military health care and increase troop pay by 3.5 percent for members of the military. The pay raise would take effect at the beginning of 2008.
Read Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s (D-NV) statement:
I remain deeply disappointed in some of the conditions I saw earlier this year at Walter Reed Medical Center — just one deficiency among many across our veterans’ health care system — and I am proud that the Senate today has passed the Wounded Warriors Act to address those problems. It is our duty to ensure our courageous service-members do not fall through the cracks when they need that care the most.
This bill will improve the substandard facilities like those at Walter Reed, expand medical care for veterans, bridge gaps between the Departments of Defense and Veterans Affairs, and resolve inadequate severance pay. And despite the President’s objection, we are also giving our troops a well-deserved pay raise. Since taking over the majority, Democrats have provided billions of dollars to help our veterans because Americans willing to pay the ultimate price for our nation should receive the care they deserve, from enlistment to retirement and beyond.
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go ahead preznit – veto that.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:50 pmMy idea, tie the treatment our vets get to the treatment our senators get.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:52 pmDo you see this trolls. Wasn’t done when there was republican majority. This congress does move forward.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:53 pmSeems like a decent bill as far as I can see.
Our men and women deserve better treatment and more pay.
July 25th, 2007 at 5:57 pm#4 And your heroe, Dubya, has threatened to veto it, let us know how you feel about that, OK?
July 25th, 2007 at 6:00 pmIs this veto proof? Are the newspapers and main stream media going to begin posting who voted for what? NO??? Why not?
July 25th, 2007 at 6:01 pmThis just in:
July 25th, 2007 at 6:01 pmTony Snow: “While the President is aware of the need to treat wounded soldiers, he is amazed that Congress continues to waste time on issues.”
If he veto’s, it means there’s not enough corporate welfare in the bill for his friends.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:02 pmI had in mind a 10% pay increase. Looks like these democrats only want a 3.5% increase. I told you they were unreliable. The President told you they were unreliable.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:05 pmI had in mind a 10% pay increase. Looks like these democrats only want a 3.5% increase. I told you they were unreliable. The President told you they were unreliable.
Comment by Lefty Cat Scan — July 25, 2007 @ 6:05 pm
How would you pay for that, C**T?
Oh, that’s right — you guys don’t worry about that stuff. You just put it on the national Visa bill and let our grandkids pick up the tab, then give your rich buddies another tax cut.
Silly little C**T.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:09 pmNo chance the chimp signs it. It smells of socialism. And it wasn’t introduced by one of his favorite pets.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:09 pmWow! A whole 3.5%. Gee Wiz!
Hey Honey, I get an extra 50$ a month now. well wait a minute take away the tax…. make that 38 $ a month. I can fill up the car twice a month now.
Golly Gee Sweetie, isn’t our President Swell?
July 25th, 2007 at 6:10 pmArmy KIDNAPS “Loose Change” Producer:
Read This!
http://www.thedailystar.com/news/stories/2007/07/25/jprowearrest0722.html
http://www.prisonplanet.com./articles/july2007/250707neoconscheer.htm
THEN…
Watch this whole thing!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3837554806768067398
POLICE STATE!
SPREAD THE WORD!
July 25th, 2007 at 6:10 pm# 9: “I had in mind a 10% pay increase. Looks like these democrats only want a 3.5% increase. I told you they were unreliable. Lefty Cat Scan”
The straw man blows down in the wind — it is a very windy day (woosh – you’re gone)
July 25th, 2007 at 6:10 pmThe President also told you he doesn’t spend much time thinking about OBL. the President also told you the large military operations in Iraq were over 3 years ago. The president also told you that Gonzo is the right man for the job.
Saying the president told you something holds less credibility than when you just talk and leave the shrub out of it.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:11 pmI had in mind a 10% pay increase. Looks like these democrats only want a 3.5% increase. I told you they were unreliable. The President told you they were unreliable.
Comment by Lefty Cat Scan
The King threatened to veto the bill when it was only 3%.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:12 pmWhat do you think he’ll do now?
I’m all for this kind of bill, but it creates the assumption that these men and women are going to be serving in Iraq for a while longer. They should be coming home by 2008.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:12 pmAce,
I saw something in the MSM about this guy deserting the Army. I look at it as more exposure for him, and more people finding out about his “loose change” stuff.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:14 pmCan anyone tell an ignorant Englishman if 3.5% is above the rate of inflation in the US?
Cheers if you can help me out.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:15 pmPOLICE STATE! SPREAD THE WORD!
Bwahahaha! Yeah. That’s why I was waiting for your posts, ace.
I knew you’d go ballistic over the arrest of this deserter. Kind of makes sense now that he’d make such delusional movies, too. He’s got a beef with authority in general.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:17 pmComment by mikey r — July 25, 2007 @ 6:09 pm
We can very well pay for it, troop hater. We can start by eliminating useless government programs, like the State Department program paying $450 to each new refugee in this country (we should take in fewer of them) and other programs benefiting illegal bummigrants.
You’re a slimy lefty. You should go post elsewhere.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:17 pmComment by Lefty Cat Scan — July 25, 2007 @ 6:05 pm
http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/672198221/m/8860093731001
The President ( Mr Support The Troops) is the one who opposed the pay increase.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:18 pmComment by Jihad Jesus — July 25, 2007 @ 6:13 pm
Congress should also budget for your imprisonment.
You should stop directing your posts (with talking points) to me, since the FBI might be watching you. I don’t care to be associated with a prospective jihadist. Heck, you may already be wanted.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:20 pmCan anyone tell an ignorant Englishman if 3.5% is above the rate of inflation in the US?
Cheers if you can help me out.
Comment by UKBristolDave
In 2006, the inflation rate was 3.24%.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:23 pm#
Ace,
I saw something in the MSM about this guy deserting the Army. I look at it as more exposure for him, and more people finding out about his “loose change†stuff.
Comment by ForTruth — July 25, 2007 @ 6:14 pm
#
I’ll bet they confiscate his next Loose Change film and block its release. He’s got the government red-handed for their role in 9/11.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:24 pmComment by Zehava — July 25, 2007 @ 6:23 pm
So the real wage increase is 0.26%?
Well it shows the Bush really does support the troops.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:25 pmComment by Zehava — July 25, 2007 @ 6:23 pm
If you don’t support a 10% pay raise for the troops, then you don’t support the troops.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:25 pmIn 2006, the inflation rate was 3.24%.
Comment by Zehava — July 25, 2007 @ 6:23 pm
Good work, Zehava.
You didn’t get this number from David Brooks, did you? :)
July 25th, 2007 at 6:26 pmIf you don’t support a 10% pay raise for the troops, then you don’t support the troops.
Comment by Lefty Cat Scan — July 25, 2007 @ 6:25 pm
I heard 15% was the threshold.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:27 pmI’ll bet they confiscate his next Loose Change film and block its release. He’s got the government red-handed for their role in 9/11.
Uh. Right. Yet another brilliant example of the abuse of logic exhibited by the black helicopter conspiracy crowd. Keep it up, ace, and show us how irrational you can be.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:27 pmWhat’s a 10% increase for a just cause? You lefties have no problem paying for ineffective and radical socialist programs benefiting illegal aliens, right? Insuring all of their excessive children, right?
I guess lefties do hate the troops after all…
July 25th, 2007 at 6:30 pmComment by Egreggious — July 25, 2007 @ 6:26 pm
OK, so Zehava is wrong. What was the payrise in comparison to inflation?
July 25th, 2007 at 6:32 pmSo the real wage increase is 0.26%?
Well it shows the Bush really does support the troops.
Comment by UKBristolDave
Yeah, the troops will take home pennies and pennies. :)
July 25th, 2007 at 6:33 pmIf you don’t support a 10% pay raise for the troops, then you don’t support the troops.
Comment by Lefty Cat Scan
The King didn’t even support it at 3%. Get off it.
If you don’t support a 100% pay raise for the troops — then YOU don’t support the troops!
July 25th, 2007 at 6:35 pmDamn. Please TP. You deleted ace’s delusional post, but some of it is still shown in post #29. Please delete my post.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:35 pmYou didn’t get this number from David Brooks, did you? :)
Comment by Egreggious
Um, I used “the Google.” :D
July 25th, 2007 at 6:35 pmOK, so Zehava is wrong. What was the payrise in comparison to inflation?
Comment by UKBristolDave — July 25, 2007 @ 6:32 pm
I was just having fun with Zehava. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:36 pm#
If you don’t support a 10% pay raise for the troops, then you don’t support the troops.
Comment by Lefty Cat Scan — July 25, 2007 @ 6:25 pm
I heard 15% was the threshold.
Comment by Egreggious — July 25, 2007 @ 6:27 pm
#
I say we make the average soldier’s pay equal that of a Blackwater employee.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:37 pmWhen will they vote for body armor for those in the US who work for minimum wage?!
July 25th, 2007 at 6:37 pmI say we give each soldier every baby boy born beginning August 1st.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:38 pmHey Egreggious and Zehava
Sorry for coming out of the starting blocks a bit aggressive. My bad.
0.26% pay rise. That’s just a disgrace isn’t it?
July 25th, 2007 at 6:39 pmPoor little C**T. He only supports a 10% pay increase for the troops. He’s a troop hater.
He thinks we can pay for it by taking in fewer immigrants.
Poor, silly little C**T.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
July 25th, 2007 at 6:39 pm0.26% pay rise. That’s just a disgrace isn’t it?
Comment by UKBristolDave — July 25, 2007 @ 6:39 pm
Pretty sad. I wonder if they could have gotten more past the Republicans.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:40 pmI think Dumbya has vowed to veto this as “too expensive.”
July 25th, 2007 at 6:41 pmWe’ll see what he does.
THE RNC had recently sent orders to all in their camp to delay, deny and destroy any and all attempts by the Dems to push aything through congress, perpetuating the myth that the Dems “can’t get anything done.”
So let’s see Bush veto this, and let’s see him veto the SCHIP program too.
Mr. compassion or Mr. Warmonger?
0.26% pay rise. That’s just a disgrace isn’t it?
Comment by UKBristolDave
It’s disgusting, UKDave. Absolutely disgusting.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:46 pmComment by Egreggious — July 25, 2007 @ 6:40 pm
Ah, the republicans are the party of fiscal responsibility remember. Just ignore the last three republican presidents and it’s all true!
Jesus H freaking Christ……
July 25th, 2007 at 6:46 pmComment by Zehava — July 25, 2007 @ 6:35 pm
You originally voiced a “100%” pay raise for the troops. Had I not voiced my discontent with this bill, you would have been perfectly content with 3.5%.
Gettin’ a little mad there, heh?
Zooey and her fellow libetrolls really do hate the troops. You can sure spin their legacy for a nice 2008 outing, can’t cha? To democrats, the heck with em’ afterwards.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:48 pmComment by Zehava — July 25, 2007 @ 6:46 pm
You have it all wrong Zehava. Supporting the troops means nothing more than putting stickers on your car bumper, flying the flag and going shopping as much as you can.
Hell, US soldiers are fighting, killing and dying in Iraq and Afghan but buy that 42 inch widescreen because if you don’t the terrorists win!
July 25th, 2007 at 6:49 pmPretty sad. I wonder if they could have gotten more past the Republicans.
Comment by Egreggious
The Repubs have already said they will do everything they can to obstruct Democrats getting any bills passed.
But you know what? Even if they succeed, the 110th has still achieved more than the 109th Congress — the last Repub controlled Congress.
Heh.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:50 pmComment by Lefty Cat Scan — July 25, 2007 @ 6:48 pm
Good point. The left hate our troops so much they don’t want them to go and die in pointless wars.
Goddamn the left.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:50 pmHell, US soldiers are fighting, killing and dying in Iraq and Afghan but buy that 42 inch widescreen because if you don’t the terrorists win!
Comment by UKBristolDave — July 25, 2007 @ 6:49 pm
Trolling liberal sites is also a great way to show your support.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:51 pmAwesome. Glad that there’s at least one party that supports the troops with more than just empty rhetoric.
Now if it can just escape the Great Decider’s veto pen..
July 25th, 2007 at 6:51 pmComment by Lefty Cat Scan — July 25, 2007 @ 6:48 pm
No, I was being sarcastic, and you know it.
I have supported the troops since my father was in Vietnam — in other words, in my living memory.
Don’t pretend to care about anything but yourself.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:52 pmComment by mikey r — July 25, 2007 @ 6:39 pm
Yeah, that’s right, bum. We can cut billions upon billions of dollars in costs by taking in fewer “refugees” and gang members that you tend to support.
Did your mother feed you paint chips? For the record, you wouldn’t have supported anything more than 3.5% had I not brought up the apparent disconnect of your crazy party’s bill.
Shove it, Mykee JuNiOr. You can talk to the wall.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:53 pmAnother thread kidnapped by the trolls.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:53 pmYou have it all wrong Zehava. Supporting the troops means nothing more than putting stickers on your car bumper, flying the flag and going shopping as much as you can.
Hell, US soldiers are fighting, killing and dying in Iraq and Afghan but buy that 42 inch widescreen because if you don’t the terrorists win!
Comment by UKBristolDave
Oy, my bad. What was I thinking!?
July 25th, 2007 at 6:54 pmComment by Egreggious — July 25, 2007 @ 6:51 pm
Hey, I know all the trolls would be out fighting if it wasn’t for some sort of b0llocks excuse. Why don’t they just admit they are scared? it’s nothing to be afraid of. I was scared last season away at Brentford. I dealt with it though.
Trolls – I understand your fear. Keep it together mind
July 25th, 2007 at 6:56 pmComment by Zehava — July 25, 2007 @ 6:54 pm
It’s all about empty gestures Zehava. I thought you knew that.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:57 pmComment by Zehava — July 25, 2007 @ 6:54 pm
The libetrolls pretend to luvee the troops so they can convey a false impression to win in 2008. Afterwards, the troops to them will be a distant memory. It’s all about 2008 to them. That’s right, grandstanding.
I am a good quality scanner. A CT scanner.
July 25th, 2007 at 6:58 pmComment by Lefty Cat Scan — July 25, 2007 @ 6:58 pm
So lets get this right. A pay raise just above the rate of inflation shows that the current Presidency cares about the troops yeah?
Actions speak louder than words son.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:01 pmI know my policy is to ignore the trolls, but, damn, that Lefty Cat Scan is having a meltdown, isn’t it?
It’s kind of entertaining.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:03 pmI am a good quality scanner. A C**T scanner.
Comment by Lefty C**t Scan — July 25, 2007 @ 6:58 pm
poor, silly litttle C**T.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
July 25th, 2007 at 7:04 pmThe trolls are increasingly shrill. They sense their Dear God and Fearless Leader is going down. Who then will they look to for a father figure? Who will love them and keep them safe from the 75% of Americans who detest them?
July 25th, 2007 at 7:09 pmComment by UKBristolDave — July 25, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
No. I advocate 10% – well above the rate of inflation. And besides, it’s not just about the rate of inflation, it’s taking into account the increasing value of their services during this period of conflict. 10% isn’t too much to ask (the government could at least categorize it as combat-zone pay), and this overrated democrat congress isn’t even going to consider it.
They should feel endless shame.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:11 pmIt’s all about empty gestures Zehava. I thought you knew that.
Comment by UKBristolDave
I need to pay more attention to the troll way of life.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:12 pmComment by mikey r — July 25, 2007 @ 7:04 pm
Shouldn’t somebody draw up your deportation papers? I mean, you are un-American.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:12 pmComment by Lefty Cat Scan — July 25, 2007 @ 6:58 pm
Did anyone notice that the post by Left at 6:58pm was totally empty of content and just packed full of….well, I don’t know what.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:13 pmIt’s kind of entertaining.
Comment by spit take — July 25, 2007 @ 7:03 pm
I’m glad you find democrats giving measly pay increases to the troops entertaining.
I can already predict (not that it’s hard): On January 20th, 2009, the democrat “support” for the troops will officially end.
Why do you hate the troops?
July 25th, 2007 at 7:14 pmComment by Lefty Cat Scan — July 25, 2007 @ 7:12 pm
Hey, how you define un-American?
Seriously. I’m interested.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:15 pmI am a good quality scanner. A CT scanner.
Comment by Lefty Cat Scan
I know who you are, CT. I’m trying to avoid clogging the threads with troll shit. Maybe you could help me with that?
July 25th, 2007 at 7:15 pmComment by UKBristolDave — July 25, 2007 @ 7:13 pm
Why do you hate the troops?
July 25th, 2007 at 7:16 pmComment by UKBristolDave — July 25, 2007 @ 7:13 pm
Yep.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:16 pmI’m glad you find democrats giving measly pay increases to the troops entertaining.
I can already predict (not that it’s hard): On January 20th, 2009, the democrat “support†for the troops will officially end.
Why do you hate the troops?
Comment by Lefty Cat Scan — July 25, 2007 @ 7:14 pm
You just can’t buy this kind of entertainment!
Thanks, LCS!
July 25th, 2007 at 7:17 pmComment by UKBristolDave — July 25, 2007 @ 7:15 pm
A Islamo-Stalinist Muslim (defined in previous threads by Thrasy) who’s more to the left than (s)he can handle.
Also, plenty of lefties support open borders, so they’re un-American.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:18 pmComment by Lefty Cat Scan — July 25, 2007 @ 7:16 pm
I hate them so much I don’t want them to die in pointless wars.
So, why do you want young Americans to die for no reason?
July 25th, 2007 at 7:18 pmComment by spit take — July 25, 2007 @ 7:17 pm
It’s not entertainment to you. You don’t have to lie.
America hates a crazy troop-hating lefty. All of you generic fools prove it time and time again.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:20 pmIslamo-Stalinist Muslim?
I wasn’t on the other thread so please tell me what it means please.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:20 pmHow many Republicans have proposed that 10% pay raise?
July 25th, 2007 at 7:20 pmComment by UKBristolDave — July 25, 2007 @ 7:18 pm
This is not a pointless war. The troops have an objective in their mission in Iraq, and the U.S. is not doing enough to support them, particularly the left.
Really, who should be listening to the media’s draw-up of war plans/assessment?
July 25th, 2007 at 7:22 pmDid anyone else see the footage today of Spanky McDumbass jogging with two Iraq veterans with artificial legs?
This latest PR stunt pisses me off just as much as “mission accomplished”, if not more. Thanks to Der Chimperer, those men don’t have their legs.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:24 pm“YEEEHHAAAAA!!!” is not foreign policy
Comment by Lefty Cat Scan — July 25, 2007 @ 7:22 pm
So what is the objective?
July 25th, 2007 at 7:24 pmComment by Zehava — July 25, 2007 @ 7:15 pm
Can you precisely define “troll sh!t.”
You think I don’t respect you, Zooey, but I do.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:25 pmJuly 25th, 2007 at 7:25 pm
Comment by Lefty Cat Scan — July 25, 2007 @ 7:25 pm
So what is the objective?
July 25th, 2007 at 7:27 pmComment by UKBristolDave — July 25, 2007 @ 7:24 pm
The objective is to curb roadside (and other bombings), train Iraqi forces, and to get Iraq’s political entities off their ass and do something with their country. U.S. troops are buying them time, and success is possible with their cooperation. We’re not in it for us.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:28 pmCan you precisely define “troll sh!t.â€
You think I don’t respect you, Zooey, but I do.
Comment by Lefty Cat Scan
You know the definition, I’m not going into it here.
Please drop the name, I don’t want a repeat of yesterday’s clogged threads. Thanks.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:31 pmComment by GOTFREEDUMBSYET? — July 25, 2007 @ 7:30 pm
Wow. This is a prime candidate for deletion.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:31 pmComment by Zehava — July 25, 2007 @ 7:31 pm
You mean, return to CT_V1?
July 25th, 2007 at 7:33 pmLEFTY CAT SCAN
I ASKED A SIMPLE QUESTION THAT YOU, APPARENTLY, DIDN’T SEE. HERE IT IS AGAIN.
How many Republicans have proposed a 10% pay raise for U.S. military personnel?
July 25th, 2007 at 7:35 pmComment by Lefty Cat Scan — July 25, 2007 @ 7:28 pm
It’s good to hear that it’s love for the fellow man that made the US and the UK invade Iraq.
How is the objective going to be achieved? Haven’t we been in charge for 4 years? OK, it’s been a total balls up until now. We ignored the deep historic rivalries between the Sunni, Shia and the Kurds. We ignored that Iraq was an artifical state created by the UK empire.
We ignored History. How are we going to sort this out?
July 25th, 2007 at 7:35 pmYou mean, return to C**T_V1?
Comment by Lefty C**t Scan — July 25, 2007 @ 7:33 pm
Oh, you couldn’t do that, now could you C**T???
Poor silly little C**T.
Usually I think of a troll “spinning” as doing the best they can to make a bad situation for their side look good.
But today I think Lefty C**T Scan is just literally spinning ’cause it doesn’t know which way is up and it gets battered from all sides.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:36 pmCT,
It seems that I’m banned. Catch you on the flip-side.
Representing VA 4 Life!
And I’m out,
Mr. President
July 25th, 2007 at 7:37 pmThis is a very strange discussion. The Democratic congress passes a pay raise for soldiers. The president is on record opposing it and may veto the bill….
and a conservative Bush-worshipping poster named “Lefty Cat Scan” is going on and on about how Democrats hate the troops. Sorry, Lefty, that’s just certifiably insane. Take a lesson from your fellow Bush supporter, Ringo. Say thanks for the attempt to raise pay and then STFU about it.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:37 pmComment by UKBristolDave — July 25, 2007 @ 7:35 pm
Maybe Iraqi’s should stop blowing themselves up. Then, perhaps the objective would be much easier to achieve. Blame has to be assigned to them at some point.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:38 pmComment by mikey r — July 25, 2007 @ 7:36 pm
I mean, your posts are a really easy skip.
You’re not even good at playing a bully. You’re a pretty bad actor, at that.
Careful, don’t smash your head into the monitor…
July 25th, 2007 at 7:40 pmhuh… i posted a story and link from huffpo…
a MM article, the title of which includes some of these words:
Challenge to the Presidential Candidates…
about governemntal health care…
can’t imagine why TP would not allow that to post…
just can’t…
July 25th, 2007 at 7:41 pm…
Blame has to be assigned to them at some point.
Comment by Lefty Cat Scan — July 25, 2007 @ 7:38 pm
It’ll be much easier to do that when we’re gone.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:42 pmLefty, you seem to care about the troops. Do you think soldiers who have been in combat deserve a little rest between stints of combat duty? Democrats do, and tried to pass a bill mandating that combat troops get enough rest between tours of duty. Republicans obstructed the bill and Bush promised to VETO it if it got through congress. I guess I’m just wondering how long people like you can hold on to this conservative meme that Democrats don’t support the troops and Repubs do.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:43 pmnever mind… wrong thread… see SCHIPS thread… oops…
July 25th, 2007 at 7:43 pmbreak time…
Army KIDNAPS “Loose Change†Producer
Comment by Ace
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He was arrested for desertion: http://www.thedailystar.com/news/stories/2007/07/25/jprowearrest0722.html
Oy.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:44 pmComment by pete — July 25, 2007 @ 7:35 pm
Democrats have an obligation to do big things for the troops if they want power, given their history of spitting on them constantly. There are remedies that they’re expected to make. It only seems that they ’suddenly’ care about the welfare of the troops when we have a president in office who tends to be a lax communicator and can’t get his position straight.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:44 pmComment by Lefty Cat Scan — July 25, 2007 @ 7:38 pm
I couldn’t agree more. The genie was roaring in the bottle for decades. Something let the genie of sectarianism out of that bottle – let’s be intellectually honest that was the invasion.
We broke Iraq so how do we fix it?
July 25th, 2007 at 7:47 pmComment by mikey r — July 25, 2007 @ 7:36 pm
I mean, your posts are a really easy skip.
Comment by Lefty Cat Scan — July 25, 2007 @ 7:40 pm
Funny, for a c**t who says my posts are a “pretty easy skip”, Lefty C**T Scan seems to reply to an awful lot of them.
Every one, in fact. Doesn’t sound like it’s skipping very many.
But then just ’cause something’s easy doesn’t mean Lefty C**T Scan is capable of it.
Poor, silly little C**T.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:48 pmComment by Lefty Cat Scan — July 25, 2007 @ 7:44 pm
You didn’t answer my question so, here ir is for the third time.
How many Republicans have proposed a 10% pay raise for U.S. military personnel?
July 25th, 2007 at 7:48 pmComment by Ringo — July 25, 2007 @ 7:44 pm
See, Ringo, THIS is exactly why “Ringo” is now synonymous with “Off-topic” here.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:49 pmComment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — July 25, 2007 @ 7:43 pm
The bill is a great idea, but it was also criticized as political tactic by democrats to slow-bleed the troops out of Iraq. If a widespread bill can’t be passed, the individual services should issue their orders in more creative ways that give their troops at least 6 months of rest between each deployment.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:51 pmCT,
Can you read this?
July 25th, 2007 at 7:57 pmWe broke Iraq so how do we fix it?
Comment by UKBristolDave — July 25, 2007 @ 7:47 pm
The WH should start by sending the Generals to the Iraqi parliament to let them know directly that a military hang-around isn’t going to solve the problem in Iraq. The generals will needs to give a wake up call to the political entities of Iraq to stop being so comfortable of our military presence there. Constant squabbling between Congress and the WH isn’t working very much, so I would suggest less civilian control of the military.
Maybe then will the Iraqi parliament get the show going. I feel that the lack of political cooperation (Iraqi) with U.S. forces is the leading impediment.
July 25th, 2007 at 7:58 pmIt only seems that they ’suddenly’ care about the welfare of the troops when we have a president in office who tends to be a lax communicator and can’t get his position straight.
Comment by Lefty Cat Scan — July 25, 2007 @ 7:44 pm
No, silly naive Bushbot, we always understood that this war would have this eventual outcome. We never doubted we’d “win” the tactical war, just that we could never “win” the peace. Show me any occupying army that has 70% of the population who hates their presence who “wins” in the longterm. Some of us learned from our VietNam debacle, others like you obviously didn’t. You chose to believe the Alpha-Monkeys in charge. That makes you a Beta-Monkey.
July 25th, 2007 at 8:07 pmComment by Lefty Cat Scan — July 25, 2007 @ 7:58 pm
I have to disagree. The issue isn’t the Iraqi parliament – any Government body wants stability as it validates their existence. The issue is that Iraq has turned into an area where sectarian violence has been able to flourish. Iraq has now become a place where ancient rivalries are being played out.
We can’t stop this. It’s 4 years old now.
July 25th, 2007 at 8:11 pmWe broke Iraq so how do we fix it?
Comment by UKBristolDave — July 25, 2007 @ 7:47 pm
We can’t. We can signal our decision to exit Iraq (just like we did in VietNam) and leave. Then, when the smoke clears the people of Iraq will determine their future….they will either overcome their ethnic-religious differences to reformulate their own government (probably not based on the pipedreams of a bunch of Washington, DC Republican ideologues who can’t run our country, never mind Iraq) or break down into proxy-states controlled by Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Kurdistan. Maybe then, we can start to help finance the reconstruction of the area, by actually employing the locals to fix what we broke.
July 25th, 2007 at 8:16 pmLefty Cat Scan
It’s 01:18 in the UK. I have to go and crash. It’s been good chatting.
Cheers
July 25th, 2007 at 8:19 pmOOoooOOOOoooOOooo…
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CT…
TP banned me…
They are FASCISTS, just like C&L!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TP hates free speech!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CT, never stop fighting Islamo-Stalinism!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I’ll see ya when I see ya…
July 25th, 2007 at 8:20 pmGoing once, twice, three times. And now I get to answer for you. No Republican has proposed a 10% pay raise for our troops. Perhaps they don’t care.
July 25th, 2007 at 8:23 pmLefty: “The bill is a great idea, but it was also criticized as political tactic by democrats to slow-bleed the troops out of Iraq.”
Well, that was the administration’s talking point, but I don’t believe anything they say anymore. Why would anyone believe anything they say?
July 25th, 2007 at 10:18 pmThe first thing that happens when we leave is the Iraqis get rid of al Qaeda. Most of them are Sunnis from Saudi Arabia and the Shiites now running Iraq want nothing to do with them.
July 25th, 2007 at 10:19 pm“We can start by eliminating useless government programs, like the State Department program paying $450 to each new refugee in this country…”
Comment by Lefty Cat Scan — July 25, 2007 @ 6:17 pm
What program is this? And are they paying $450 to each new refugee from any country, or certain particular ones? Got a link?
July 26th, 2007 at 12:09 amIf anyone has paid attention to who has voted for what in the House or Senate for the past thirty years (or which president has been for or against proposals) it is very obvious that Democrats and liberals are in favor of increased pay and benefits for our troops and Republicans and conservatives are opposed.
I remember Clinton always being in favor of increased pay and benefits for the lower ranks at least. And he took us from record deficits to record surpluses.
If the Pentagon gets $600 billion per year and the lower ranks are not paid enough, then the problem is priorites within the Pentagon.
July 26th, 2007 at 12:23 amUKBristolDave,
I used to take computer results from Uxbridge to TrustHouseForte HQ in Bristol 25 years ago.
Those kids in Bristol are sharp as a whistle when they do the stomp.
July 26th, 2007 at 12:27 amWe could save $200 billion each year by cutting back on corporate welfare.
We could save $250 billion each year by switching to single-payer healthcare.
We could eliminate a few unwanted jet, bomber, and carrier programs.
We could have fewer generals.
July 26th, 2007 at 12:30 am> The bill is a great idea, but it was also criticized as political tactic
> by democrats to slow-bleed the troops out of Iraq.
Ah yes, the old “don’t fight wars of choice unless you can do so without breaking your military” tactic.. clever dems… Funny that you, who claim to support the troops (BTW, how many repubs supported the 10 pct troop raise your hollering about?), prefer the “fast bleed” of having our troops stay in Iraq to help them build a prosperous islamic theocracy with ties to Iran…
You know, that little part in the iraqi constitution that says that no law of the iraqi government will contradict islam..is that what you think our troops should be dying for?
You know, I never really beleived the people who claim that there are paid trolls on here, but the more I read threads, it really does seem as if there is always one, or maybe two, paid putz’s out there always trying to disrupt things. Only the threads with the most indefensible subjects (such as republicans chastising other republicans) are troll free… it almost does seem as if some jack@ss is literally on duty around here….
In any case, its nice watching these inbred flaghumping douchebags have a meltdown..your empire is on fire…
July 26th, 2007 at 1:18 amTo Reid and the Dems, support our troops is more than a slogan. Give em hell Harry!
July 26th, 2007 at 2:13 amToo long over due, WHAT ? Are we living in the dark ages ? For God’s sake Help our Women and Men of OUR armed forces when they are wounded Physicaly or mentaly. N O W ! !
August 3rd, 2007 at 1:25 pmWhat ! Are we living in the dark ages ? Yes ! Help our Women and Men of OUR armed forces when wounded physicaly or mentaly…. NOW>
August 3rd, 2007 at 1:27 pm