Beck: John Birch Society makes ‘more and more sense.’
Beck: John Birch Society makes ‘more and more sense.’
On his CNN Headline News show last night, Glenn Beck hosted Sam Antonio, a national spokesperson for the John Birch Society, to discuss various “conspiracy theories” about immigration and border security, including the idea that “the Mexican government” has “a hold on our enforcement of laws here in America.” Beck told Antonio that he used to think the Society members were “a bunch of nuts,” but that they are now “starting to make more and more sense” to him. Watch it:
As Salon’s Alex Koppelman notes, the group’s founder, Robert Welch, once accused Dwight Eisenhower of being “a dedicated conscious agent of the communist conspiracy.” The Southern Poverty Law Center has listed the John Birch Society as a group that “advocates or adheres to extreme antigovernment doctrines.”
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sam antonio...
at least his parents had a sense of humor...
July 26th, 2007 at 7:22 pm.
Next I'm gonna snitch on Glenn Beck.
July 26th, 2007 at 7:23 pmAnd hey, the Society was founded right here in suburban Boston, Mass. Belmont to be specific. Home of, huh, Mitt Romney. Whaddya know. Just a coincidence I'm sure.
July 26th, 2007 at 7:24 pmThe WorldNetDaily crowd. So far right, they are left.
July 26th, 2007 at 7:26 pmJohn Birch Society: Kind of like our own home-grown Al Queda cell.
July 26th, 2007 at 7:28 pmWow, these troglodites still walk the earth?
July 26th, 2007 at 7:30 pmFrom the list link:
Is the Souther Poverty Law Center saying that people that oppose the New World Order are anitgovernment? Since when is the New World Order part of the United States government policy?
If so, I think that most people would be considered anitgovernment to these people, because other than the irrelevant trolls, I don't know anybody who backs Big Brother (aka New World Order).
July 26th, 2007 at 7:31 pmWhat a surprise: a CNN correspondent claiming his love for the John Birch Society. The mass media's political affiliations have gone so far right that they're one step short of reich. Glenn Beck is an A-Number-1 asshole, moron, racist, xenophobe, and out to be publicly caned on CNN rather than given an open microphone. Why anyone would sponsor this jaded jackass is beyond me. Then again, I'm still wondering why Congress gleefully lays on its stomach, bent over a desk, whenever Rupert Murdercoch needs a favor. . . .
July 26th, 2007 at 7:33 pmCNN, hello, can you hear Beck now?
July 26th, 2007 at 7:33 pmBetcha' them good ol' Birchers just love them some Sam Antonio! It's like Michelle malkin screaming the we're being overrun by little brown people.
July 26th, 2007 at 7:36 pmSpudge,
Complete idiots and rich pigs back the New World Order.
July 26th, 2007 at 7:36 pmComing from Beck, that's HILARIOUS!!
July 26th, 2007 at 7:36 pmWhere do I sign up?
Not!
Is there any drug testing for CNN employees? Must not be. Beck still has a Job.
July 26th, 2007 at 7:37 pmGuess Norquist must be a Bircher. he wants to make the government (of and by the people - BTW) small enough to drown in a bath tub. If successful, I can't, for the life of me, figure out how they will satisfy their imperial blood-lust if they somehow achieve their goal.
July 26th, 2007 at 7:39 pm#7 They are referring to anti-government extremists, not merely people who criticize or oppose our current government policies. SPLC specializes in tracking organized hate groups such as the KKK, Posse Comitatus, and all other supremacist movements.
July 26th, 2007 at 7:41 pmBeck is probably already a card caring member of the Birch Society. From the clip, it looks like Antonio would even fit in with the Birchers I grew up with. Someone give that poor misguided Texan a better hobby! Seriously, Beck's sponsors have a lot of splaing to do for allowing him to even reference such a fascist, white supremist organization. -Kevo
July 26th, 2007 at 7:43 pmI think Dick Nixon was a Bircher. Maybe not. But he certainly was a Dick.
July 26th, 2007 at 7:44 pmSorry, the would needs to be a negative wouldn't in #15. -Kevo
July 26th, 2007 at 7:45 pmRick Perstein's Goldwater book has a great rundown of Welch and the early days of the Society. Fascinating stuff. The most astounding thing is that, in George W. Bush, they finally managed to get one of their own into the White House. The rants about Yalta, the burning desire to privatize Social Security, the addled paranoia about worldwide conspiracies, the belligerent urgency to pursue war - it was all there in the 50s and 60s with these people, and W is onboard with all of it today. Truly amazing. Say what you will about Reagan, but he at least had the good sense to put non-crazy people like George Schultz and James Baker into key positions of responsibility. There was something of a balance between doctrine and effective governance. A willingness to accept reality. Not so with the Bush crowd.
July 26th, 2007 at 7:47 pmI think a flood of non-english speaking illegal aliens is very dangerous, but I don't think it's a conspiracy.
July 26th, 2007 at 7:47 pmIn the town where I grew up, there was a Bircher bookstore; they were called American Opinion Bookstores. This is how insanely retrograde the Birchers were: the store sold bumperstickers that said "54-40 or a Negotiated Compromise!" It was a reference to the Treaty of Oregon, which resolved the Canadian-US border in 1846. The Canadian-US border hadn't been an issue since the Polk-vs.-Clay election of 1844, but the Birchers... man, they just couldn't let go of it.
July 26th, 2007 at 7:58 pmHmm, do you think there could be any connection between the right-wing anti-government crowd complaining about the Border Patrol, and standing up for the agents who shot the suspect in the back, and Blackwater building a "training" facility a couple of miles from the Mexican border? Does someone want to privatize the Border Patrol?
July 26th, 2007 at 8:00 pmShame on CNN for hiring this extremist asshole.
CNN = Corporate News Network.
July 26th, 2007 at 8:01 pmSam Antonio? Sounds like the name of a porn star from the 80's.
July 26th, 2007 at 8:09 pmI just discovered a way to solve our illegal invader problem. The US is required by treaty to provide 1.53 million acre-feet of Colorado river water to Mexico. That is just about the amount of water the illegals use each year. The US should hold the water in lake Mead until Mexico takes back all the illegals, regardless of nation of origin because most of them came through Mexico.
July 26th, 2007 at 8:19 pmYeah, the John Birch Society makes a lot of sense...
...if you're the kind of person who thinks carrying out terrorist attacks on federal government buildings is a good idea.
July 26th, 2007 at 8:21 pmSam Antonio?
You gotta be kidding me!
July 26th, 2007 at 8:23 pmi'm sure the birchers make sense to beck - he's a retrograde dullard
mexicans are no real problem to anyone, and immigration is no real problem to anyone
how does that red herring taste, folks?
July 26th, 2007 at 8:24 pmSam Antonio? Sounds like the name of a porn star from the 80’s.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 26, 2007 @ 8:09 pm
I think I know which one you're talking about.
July 26th, 2007 at 8:25 pmI watched the clip and tried to take this nutbag seriously for a minute and his argument boils down to this:
On the SPP.gov website, they mention that the U.S. and Mexican government have been "sharing information."
From this fact, he jumps to the laughably insane conclusion that the Mexican government has somehow assumed total control of U.S. law with respect to border security.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
July 26th, 2007 at 8:38 pmDidn't Sam Antonio star in the gay porno, "The A-Blow-Mo"?
July 26th, 2007 at 8:51 pmComment by Sam and Janet Evening
**snort**
July 26th, 2007 at 8:52 pmHere's that loon Sam Antonio being interviewed at Young Americans for Chickenhawkia, I mean Freedom:
[What's] Your greatest YAF story?
July 26th, 2007 at 9:04 pmAt San Diego State University (my alma mater) three YAFFERS and myself shutdown a pro-abort rally of over one hundred men-hating femi-nazis. Dressed in doctor smocks and covered with blood, we made the CRs blush and the liberals pee in their Birkenstocks. It took over 25 campus public safety officials to break up our wonderful Lilith Faire for the unborn.
Beck and Savage might be the only racist assholes that could out-bigot this guy.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:10 pmThe comments above that relate the John Birch Society to George W. Bush are without merit. Their monthly magazine (the New American) consistently and without falter exposes the misdeeds of the current administration and has been one of few media outlets that routinely reports on issues concerning both state and federal government corruption.
Their investigative research into the Waco, Ruby Ridge, and Oklahoma City bombing events make a mockery out the "official" government reports, and they have been overtly and covertly targeted by various organizations attached to the current administration including the Council on Foreign Relations and various other appendages of world government that would much rather submerge the United States of America into a North American Union and destroy those precious civil liberties that your forefathers sacrificed everything for.
I am not a member of the John Birch Society but I am a semi regular reader of The New American Magazine; I would suggest to anyone reading this thread to go read the contents of their magazine yourself (http://www.thenewamerican.com and http://www.jbs.org) and make up your own opinion about what JBS constitutes before jumping to any of the afore-referenced conclusions.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:19 pmMust be a dramatic break-through moment when you drop yourself into a pile of nuts and find you are one.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:21 pm#33 Comment by Gregory Perry
Thank you for the information and I will look at it again. It hs been a while since I last read any of it.
Can I ask you if you listen to and/or subscribe to Beck and Savage's rhetoric? Would be interesting to find out your perspective.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:25 pmYou also might do some research into flight KAL007, which was shot down by the Soviet Union (with Congressman Larry McDonald onboard). McDonald had recently become the president of the John Birch Society before KAL007 was shot down, many folks suggest that he was such a threat to the ruling elite in his support for defending the United States Constitution that the flight was intentionally routed into Soviet airspace to provoke the attack.
The John Birch Society is serious business, they fight at all levels of the government to preserve and uphold the United States Constitution. Research them before you jump to any conclusions.
Glenn Beck is a complete turd that is unqualified to speak about the JBS in any regard.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:28 pmIn my personal opinion, Glenn Beck is about as far from the members of JBS as you can possibly get.
He has been harping on the immigration agent issue for a while now and has garnered a lot of listeners on the subject, other than that he is little more than a shill for the current administration and in no way affiliated with the John Birch Society.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:30 pm#36 and 37 - GP
Thank you for your honest answers. I respect that.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:32 pmGuess who's a member of the J.B.S.?
I'll give you a hint.
His name is Ron Paul.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:40 pmsam jose, sam francisco, sam clemente, sam souci (?),
and best of all sam and janet evening -
thanks for the chuckles!
i know very little about the JBS... but, from reading the comments,
i wonder if anyone could tell me how the JBS feels about that line,
"all men are created equal"...
oh yea... that's the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE...
July 26th, 2007 at 9:44 pmnot the CONSTITUTION... in the clear...
...
Is it just me, or is Sammie projecting a little self-loathing?
July 26th, 2007 at 9:55 pmDidn’t Sam Antonio star in the gay porno, “The A-Blow-Mo�
Comment by Badmoodman
Dunno. Maybe we should ask one of the resident trolls. They see all that stuff, over and over and over again. I'd bet they've got every line of dialog, and every... **snicker... snicker**... "shot" memorized.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:01 pmDoesn't surprise me about Beck. This is Mormon conditioning. He was raised thinking this way as a lot of devout Mormons think. They believe this is their God given country. They believe Jesus came to America to preach after he was crucified.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:08 pmWhen did the John Birch Society become quoteworthy? Is it Scalia? These guys are fricking nuts and stupid as boxes of rocks. Just listen to Antonin.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:15 pmAnd Jebus, Sam Antonio? His parents were fricking morons.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:30 pmThe Right Wingers, from John Birchers to Libertarians are against gays, Global Warming research, the government in general, the ACLU, woman's libber's, environmentalists, animal rights activists, and gun regulation, but are antiwar. They claim to be against the "New World Order" and globalization, yet want corporations to run our lives. Truly a contradictory group.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:39 pm"...yet want corporations to run our lives. Truly a contradictory group."
Citations please.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:43 pmswamp, righties (including and especially libertarians) hate everybody but people exactly like them.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:45 pmThe SPLC has an indirect link to the Mexican government, so I wouldn't exactly consider them a trustworthy source.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:47 pmJG, are you joking??? John Birch Society fighting FOR the Constitution? That is hilarious. Those KKK loving hicks are not fans.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:49 pmShut up SPLC, you wouldn't know a trustworthy source if it slapped you in your inbred face.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:50 pmWow, I had no idea they still existed. I love a good anachronism.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:56 pm“…yet want corporations to run our lives. Truly a contradictory group.â€
Citations please.
Comment by gp — July 26, 2007 @ 10:43 pm
Ron Paul calls for a free market, yet wants to abolish the federal government. He wants State governments existing, yet is opposed to taxes. You can't have corporatism and government at the same time. We are witnessing that right now. That is by definition Fascism. Libertarians and Right Wingers are a mixed up lot. The only thing they have going for them is antiwar. Other than that, they are Sociological Cro-Magnons.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:23 pmThe right has been a cross between theocrats, fascists and JBS'ers for the last 25 years.
http://blog01.kintera.com/christianalliance/archives/2006/12/sons_of_bircher.html
July 26th, 2007 at 11:25 pm
Alex Jones, another well known "Libertarian" is claiming Stephen Colbert iwants to join the Illuminati, and depopulate the planet. Now seriously, Jones is cracking up. Some of his 9/11 research is good, but this guy has gone over the edge....Again!!!!
http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/260707_colbert_depopulation.html
July 26th, 2007 at 11:33 pmRon Paul wants to abolish the federal government because the Founding Fathers envisioned a small and relatively powerless central government, the concept of which is rooted in their initial departure from the throne of England. In addition, it is not taxes per se that Dr. Paul is against (nor the John Birch Society for that matter), but rather federal taxation at the personal income level.
Personal income is an exchange of time and work for services rendered - it should be an equal exchange between you and your employer. The original federal income tax was a voluntary tax used to provide benefits for federal government employees, nothing more. The power to tax is the power to destroy, and this entire concept of working as a subservient slave to the federal tax hydra does nothing but further the goals of the federal leviathan that has absolutely no business or authority controlling the collective business of the States (a direct result of federal judicial activism and an absurd interpretation of the Interstate Commerce Clause).
On top of all of that, you have a privately owned central bank (the Federal Reserve) working in conjunction with the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund to wholly manipulate and control global finance, by extending loans to member countries and essentially lining the pockets of foreign dictators that we prop up by way of coups which are used to overthrow democratically elected government officials that happen to control vast amounts of mineral deposits and natural resources - all funded with the federal tax dollars that are lopped off the top of your wages.
A free market is exactly that - a free market to engage in trade unmolested and without state or federal intervention. Hardly a fascist viewpoint, the exact antithesis of fascism in fact.
Research your facts on Dr. Paul's platform before you go spouting any more pinko drivel.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:37 pmSo, gp, your Neo-Fascist ideas are clouded by the fact that I do not want Exxon/Mobil, Microsoft, or any unaccountable corporation controlling goods and services. You Crackpot Libertarians want guns everywhere, you are so paranoid.
Ron Paul is a one-trick pony (antiwar). Other than that, he is as nutty as they come.
A free market is exactly that - a free market to engage in trade unmolested and without state or federal intervention. Hardly a fascist viewpoint, the exact antithesis of fascism in fact
That is what Mussolini thought. Glad you fringe nutcases let the rest of know what your plans are. WOW! There's a thought. Let Exxon/Mobil take care of the environment. Let Wyeth take care of health. Let Microsoft police the Internet. Let General Motors develop an electric car. Let Blackwater be the police.
You are living in Bizarro World, gp. Go back and read your Superman comics and see what "Square World" meant.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:07 amTime to send the Birch John Society back to the outhouse they so recently crawled back out of...wasn't their favorite book from the sixties titled "None Dare Call It Stupid"...or something like that...
July 27th, 2007 at 12:14 amOff topic. This is a story that every American must see.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:54 amhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/26/AR2007072602025.html
Ron Paul and JBS. Just what this country needs after 10 years of Bush and the neocons. Not.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:02 amJesus I had no idea the John Birch Society even still existed.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:48 amRon Paul and JBS. Just what this country needs after 10 years of Bush and the neocons. Not.
Comment by John Birch's Body — July 27, 2007 @ 3:02 am
Could you imagine the scenario?...Toll collectors and motorists pulling guns on each other, corporations running everything, legalized Pot (well, maybe one other good thing besides being antiwar), no taxes, no health insurance, no military, no police, woman's rights eroded, dismantle the ACLU, no unemployment insurance, banning the FDA (OK, another good move), and the NRA over NEA. Just read the Cato Institute's insanity, and you will see what we are dealing with. They almost universally think Global Warming is a "scam" (50,000 climalatoligists vs 60 industry funded "skeptics"), yet do not advocate the electric car. Basically, Libertarians are Conservatives who get laid and smoke reefer. They are a fringe group with a few good ideas, but the idea of corporations running our lives, without accountability, does not sit well with the average person or intellectuals. Like someone said earlier, having Exxon Mobil in charge of environmental concerns is something we do not desire. I have heard them on catastrophic illness wiping out savings, and their response is , "We all have to take chances". They are opposed to safety nets for people.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:39 amThe John Birchers spent 30 years accusing everyone in the government of being a communist--and didn't find a single one.
July 27th, 2007 at 8:36 amThe John Birchers spent 30 years accusing everyone in the government of being a communist–and didn’t find a single one.
Comment by Perry Logan — July 27, 2007 @ 8:36 am
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But, I still hear JBSers and Libertarians say that McCarthy was "misunderstood" or "Was Correct". I have this opinion that the Witch hunts were a smoke screen to the fact that Operation Paperclip had brought in Nazis to the USA, and placed them in various positions of power. Any coincidence that the target of the "Commie" witch hunts were Jews, Gays, Liberals, Union organizers, comedians, and folk singers? In fact, McCarthy and Nixon was VERY sympathetic to the Nazi cause during the late 1930s, as was Prescott Bush.
The Libertarians, Neo-Cons. JBSers, Skinheads, Klansmen, Nazis, Republicans, Corporate Democrats, Corporatists, Fascists, War Mongers, Communists, Totalitarians, Inquisitors, Witch Hunters, Fundmentalists, and Rednecks are all variations of the same mold...Anti-Human.
July 27th, 2007 at 8:55 amJohn Birch Society = bunch of loonies.
July 27th, 2007 at 9:27 amWow, for a nonpartisan organization's blog that seeks to provide a forum advancing progressive ideas and policies, there doesn't seem to be much of that going on here. Very few are doing their own research. Go to http://www.jbs.org if you want to see what the John Birch Society is up to. They have had more than their fair share of enemies over the years, including mainstream media that were involved in a smear campaign in the 60s and 70s, which still follows them to this day. Of course, the easiest way to make them enemies is to accuse them of being a hate group and liken them to such. I know a number of "Birchers" and have found them to not be the stereotypical sort I thought they would be. Don't let ignorance be bliss. Check out the facts for yourself and base your opinions on that. Your grandkids will thank you for it when we still have a United States of America left.
God bless...
July 27th, 2007 at 9:57 amhere we have the moron glenn beck agreeing with anti american insane people on CNN but jet blew caves to bill oreilly's hypocritical attacks on the dailykos.
this country is doomed.
July 27th, 2007 at 11:00 amthe libertarian ideal is happening right now in china. no oversight, no regulation, lots of pollution, unsafe products, child labor, poisonous food, etc. hey but lots of money is being made!
and the libertarian NRA wet dream is in full flourish in iraq right now too. a well armed society is a polite society. good one.
go ron paul!
July 27th, 2007 at 11:06 amWow, for a nonpartisan organization’s blog that seeks to provide a forum advancing progressive ideas and policies, there doesn’t seem to be much of that going on here. Very few are doing their own research. Go to http://www.jbs.org if you want to see what the John Birch Society is up to. They have had more than their fair share of enemies over the years, including mainstream media that were involved in a smear campaign in the 60s and 70s, which still follows them to this day. Of course, the easiest way to make them enemies is to accuse them of being a hate group and liken them to such. I know a number of “Birchers†and have found them to not be the stereotypical sort I thought they would be. Don’t let ignorance be bliss. Check out the facts for yourself and base your opinions on that. Your grandkids will thank you for it when we still have a United States of America left.
God bless…
Comment by Will — July 27, 2007 @ 9:57 am
Dog Bless!
JBS does not like NAFTA, yet is for unregulated trade. It does not like trade with China, is for unregulated trade. Birchers are racists, anti-science, homophobes, gun nuts, government haters, police haters, and corporatists. Aryan Nation, Skinheads, and Neo-Nazis love them. I have read them on sites like newnation.org
BTW, Will, go to FreeRepublic, where you belong, if you don't like it here. What is the point you and your troll brethren hope to accomplish? I was on the fence with Ron Paul, until I read the attacks on people who don't agree with most of what he stands for, and it caused me to look further into him. I then found that he is a stealth Right-Winger, with the same sorry platform for social change. Same with the JBS. I just thought they were a bit kooky, but now you caused me to look into them, and I find they are more of what people have always said they are.
July 27th, 2007 at 11:31 amJohn Birch Society? This guy could make a lot more money appearing as a GOP strategist on a FOX news debate.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:42 pmGiven the paranoid streak JBS has had over the years it's hard for them not to have a lot of enemies.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:48 pmFor almost 50 years, The John Birch Society has educated and informed its members and others, and played an important role in halting legislation and federal policies that threaten the independence of our country and our people.
They believe in family values and personal freedom with less government and more personal responsibility, while adhereing to The Constitution of the United States of America.
Explore the website, learn more about The John Birch Society at http://www.jbs.org.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:59 pm#53 gp got it right. It's all about the city, county, state - rely on your neighbors. If you don't like corporations in your neighborhood, find a new one or move them out - it's your choice.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:13 pm#53 gp got it right. It’s all about the city, county, state - rely on your neighbors. If you don’t like corporations in your neighborhood, find a new one or move them out - it’s your choice.
Comment by bn — July 27, 2007 @ 2:13 pm
Like the old saying "Love it or Leave It". The idea is to stop it at the source, not after the damage is done.
July 27th, 2007 at 5:02 pmYou know, I never really heard of these people until recently. I looked up their wikipedia page and I looked at their website, and I don't really see what's so "nutty" about what they say.
I don't agree with a lot of things they say, but it's not "nutty."
July 27th, 2007 at 5:25 pmYou know, I never really heard of these people until recently. I looked up their wikipedia page and I looked at their website, and I don’t really see what’s so “nutty†about what they say.
I don’t agree with a lot of things they say, but it’s not “nutty.â€
Comment by Alejandro — July 27, 2007 @ 5:25 pm
Then you have never dealt with them on a personal level.
This site below looks good at first glance. Need I say more?
http://www.aryan-nations.org/about.htm
July 27th, 2007 at 6:40 pmI know Sam Antonio and I’ve been a JBS member over 10 years, since I was 13. We work to restore the Constitution, and get out of the UN. JBS started an Impeach Clinton campaign two months before the Lewinski story broke. We pushed impeachment because Clinton gave secrets to China. The Washington Post later credited JBS with leadership in the Impeachment, saying that the Birch Society had once again proved that an ideologically committed few can change the course of history.
The racist accusation came from a smear in the 60’s. Several of the members in our chapter joined during that time because they heard the smear in the news, and then realized patriotic friends they admired most were members!
What I’ve seen of Birch policy toward racism, if any guest or member makes a racist comment, their membership is pulled and they are not invited back.
My dad is a public school teacher (and homeschooling father) who got his degree at Berkeley. He almost didn’t go into his first JBS event, a speech on education by Samuel Blumenfeld, when he realized it was Birch sponsored. Now Dad has been a JBS chapter leader for over 20 years and considers JBS, along with God and family, one of the greatest things in his life
These border Patrol agents were doing their job. Their trial has sent shock waves through the Border Patrol. Ramos and Compian were on the front lines. Check out the story Punished for Doing Their Job, at thenewamerican.com
July 27th, 2007 at 11:45 pmHow about this one: Go to the http://www.jbs.org website or find an article in the New American or something else published by JBS and publish it for the world to see.... something really off the wall, way out there, nutty, kooky, crazy, neurotic, hateful, un-American, pure lies, libelous, etc. Heck, you can read the whole "Politician" book that Robert Welch wrote about Pres. Eisenhower online now. You can even read the whole Blue Book of the John Birch Society online (the transcript of the organizational meeting of the JBS). Yep, those are on JBS.org, too. Have fun, and good luck. :)
July 28th, 2007 at 3:14 pmNow, just wait a second, swampgas, you say the aryan-nations website looks good at first glance. There's a quotation at the top of Adolf Hitler saying those who refuse to fight don't deserve to live. Then you read through the history that this organization is obviously for building a "Fourth Reich" and establishing some sort of white-aryan nation of sorts in North America. It's clearly a neo-Nazi group. The motto is "violence solves everything." They advocate racial purity. At first glance, this looks like a terrible organization. Hard to imagine a worse first impression.
The JBS doesn't advocate anything even remotely similar. Yes, both the JBS and Aryan nations are concerned about illegal immigration. But to go from that fact to asserting that JBS has the same motives as Aryan nations is just a huge leap in logic. The same type of reasoning could be (and has been) applied to many people and groups concerned about illegal immigration. I see someone from Aryan nations posted an article that is concerned about the "North American Union," which the JBS is also concerned about. Again, so what? There are many groups concerned about similar things for different reasons. It's entirely possible. So when you ask if you need to say more, YES!! there's a whole lot more you could say to clarify what you mean.
So, you may have met a member of JBS, who said something that sounded off the wall, or they let their love for their country get the best of them and said something that seemed a little to inflammatory. If that's the case, why keep this chip on your shoulder? Why go around with such an axe to grind? Is it really worth it?
July 28th, 2007 at 3:51 pmWhile it would appear difficult to influence someone who writes under the pen name swampgas, I will have a go at it:
Big wars, and big corporations that feed off them, do not happen without big government. This is the general reasoning behind the desire of libertarians and Birchers to reduce the size of of government in all areas.
That a relatively small group of people within our society is attempting to lord over the rest of us seems to be a point we agree on. Where we differ is that you have come to the conclusion (or accept a priori) that empowering government will protect you from those who control the levers of power in government.
We need smaller and fewer levers not more lever pullers.
In the mean time, if you want to work towards avoiding having the country you live in go totally fascist you should consider the kooks who want smaller government as your allies for the moment.
The Clinton or Gore wing of the ruling party is not the antidote to the Bush-Cheney wing.
July 30th, 2007 at 5:39 pmI'm confused by this NAU thing. folks that balk at it point towards the right wing kooks for fueling the NAU fire, calling them bigots for riding the anti-immigration/maintain the borders aspect of what's being proposed by the NAU concept or 'conspiracy theory'. I, in no way associate with the right wing 'kooks'. but, are those that are balking not in the least concerned with any aspect of the SPP, its associated acronyms, their agendas and the largely unpublicized meetings? are the un-kooks being pitted against the kooks purposely so that the un-kooks disassociate/ignore anything that is unfolding as a result of the SPP? because gee, if the un-kooks did investigate and question the SPP, NAU, FTAA, NACC blah blah blah they'd be siding with bigots, nativists, supremacists and nationalists, etc.
I do feel a sense watchfulness regarding the SPP and NAU theory. not because I fear globalization necessarily but because I don't understand why it appears to have been kept out of the media, hasn't really been under public scrutiny(of the mainstream sort) and doesn't seem to be going thru any sort of congressional process. help me out here
August 1st, 2007 at 9:14 pmSo many can only cast stones with name-calling at the 50-year-old John Birch Society rather than look at the truth they have given us as warnings, often so far in advance of others. The JBS warned of the communists in government, yes. And today they have been vindicated entirely by such books as THE VENONA SECRETS-EXPOSING SOVIET ESPIONAGE AND AMERICA'S TRAITORS. Sam Antonio did a great job in 3 short minutes warning of a plan by power elites to create a North American Community on the way to an integrated North American Union (NAU) of the three North American nations. The Council on Foreign Relations have urged such integration in their publication if anyone cares to investigate. Try reading Professor Robert A. Pastor's articles in January/Feburay 2004 FOREIGN AFFAIRS about NAFTA, or M. Delal Baer's article "Mexico agt an Impasse" and start seeing the NAU. Instead of name calling try reading the JBS website at http://www.jbs.org/freedom
August 4th, 2007 at 10:56 pmGlenn Beck was raised a Roman Catholic in Mt. Vernon, Washington. His mother committed suicide when he was 13. One of his brothers also committed suicide, and another had a fatal heart attack.
Beck is a self-described reformed alcoholic and drug addict. In the aftermath of those three family tragedies, Beck said he used “Dr. Jack Daniels†to cope. He and his first wife divorced amid his struggle with substance abuse. Beck cites the help of Alcoholics Anonymous in his sobriety, and he eventually converted to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints which teaches against the consumption of alcohol.
Beck believes he has a personal relationship with God. “God stalked me like he had a giant baptismal rifle,†Beck said. “I thwarted him. I led people astray as much I could but he kept putting Mormons in my way.â€
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Ergo, he’s a dry alcoholic, right-wing Mormon. No wonder he’s trying so hard, despite all evidence to the contrary, to seem like he has something intelligent to say.
Maybe he’s holding an Urim and Thummim while he spews…kinda puts him in the same camp as Joseph Smith, who was convicted after an admitting to being a “disorderly person†and an “impostor†in a court in Bainbridge, New York, before he began his ultimate “treasure-hunting expeditionâ€.
August 7th, 2007 at 4:40 pmFor those of you who doubt the impact or existence of the threat of the Security and Prosperity Partnership (AKA the North American Union), please google:stopthenorthamericanunion.com or stopspp.com, grassfire.com or Worldnetdaily.com for starters.
Did you know there's been an African Union, replete with AU flag, constitution and army since 2001? That an Asian Union is being formed, modeled after the European Union? That a South American Union will be finalized in December? How could any sane person doubt that a North American Union is right here, right now?
Did you know that Pre-EU, England, for example, was lied to and told the EU wouldn't impact their borders or sovereignty? Post-EU, they helplessly watch as hordes of poor Eastern Europeans flood into the country. Why? Because the EU constitution supercedes the individual nation's constitution. France and Holland voted down the EU constitution, yet the unelected, unaccountable EU "ministers" send out directives anyway that are to be obeyed.
Please keep in mind that the SPP or NAU is modeled after the EU.
In France this summer, vintners have taken to the streets by the thousands to protest the EU directive to rip out the vines in thousands of acres of private vineyards so that the EU can bring in cheap, generic wine from Spain and Italy. (It's all about money) This,despite the fact the French voted against the EU constitution. Has the news media reported that the French are overturning incoming wine trucks, derailing trains containing wine and promising that there will be blood in the streets if the French president doesn't stop the EU's interference? The media silence is deafening on this and all matters EU. Google on-line European papers to uncover what is really happening.
This will be our fate unless we overturn NAFTA and ban the NAU as Representative Virgil Goode of VA is trying to do with the bill he sponsored. Twenty five other Congressmen are co-sponsoring the bill. Google Rep. Goode and see for yourself.
If you think there are too many Illegals now, wait until our borders with Mexico are erased (Why do you think the Senate mandated and funded fence was never built?) and we are overrun by a hundred millon Mexicans and South Americans. This mess we have now will look like the good old days.
August 17th, 2007 at 4:46 amGO RON PAUL! GO RON PAUL! GOD BLESS RON PAUL!
RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT 2008!
Best Ron Paul video - (Reply: WRONG!...Best Presidential Candidacy Video EVER!!!)
August 21st, 2007 at 12:58 pmhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFfdB5OzlyQ
The J B.S. has lately become what is called "PLANNED OPPOSITION." They may talk against the globalists but they're more than SOFT on actually fighting them. In fact, they tend to discourage most grass roots opposition. And they've outright LIED in some cases regarding 9-11 and FRONT for those who really pulled it off! see www . realnews247 . com
August 22nd, 2007 at 3:27 pm