Comments on: Beck: John Birch Society makes ‘more and more sense.’ http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/26/beck-john-birch-society-makes-more-and-more-sense/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:26:27 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Larry L. Lawson http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/26/beck-john-birch-society-makes-more-and-more-sense/comment-page-2/#comment-4029810 Larry L. Lawson Wed, 22 Aug 2007 19:27:07 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/26/beck-john-birch-society-makes-more-and-more-sense/#comment-4029810 The J B.S. has lately become what is called "PLANNED OPPOSITION." They may talk against the globalists but they're more than SOFT on actually fighting them. In fact, they tend to discourage most grass roots opposition. And they've outright LIED in some cases regarding 9-11 and FRONT for those who really pulled it off! see www . realnews247 . com The J B.S. has lately become what is called “PLANNED OPPOSITION.” They may talk against the globalists but they’re more than SOFT on actually fighting them. In fact, they tend to discourage most grass roots opposition. And they’ve outright LIED in some cases regarding 9-11 and FRONT for those who really pulled it off! see www . realnews247 . com

]]> By: chris lawton http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/26/beck-john-birch-society-makes-more-and-more-sense/comment-page-2/#comment-4026949 chris lawton Tue, 21 Aug 2007 16:58:36 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/26/beck-john-birch-society-makes-more-and-more-sense/#comment-4026949 GO RON PAUL! GO RON PAUL! GOD BLESS RON PAUL! RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT 2008! Best Ron Paul video - (Reply: WRONG!...Best Presidential Candidacy Video EVER!!!) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFfdB5OzlyQ GO RON PAUL! GO RON PAUL! GOD BLESS RON PAUL!
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]]> By: Roberta http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/26/beck-john-birch-society-makes-more-and-more-sense/comment-page-2/#comment-4017976 Roberta Fri, 17 Aug 2007 08:46:55 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/26/beck-john-birch-society-makes-more-and-more-sense/#comment-4017976 For those of you who doubt the impact or existence of the threat of the Security and Prosperity Partnership (AKA the North American Union), please google:stopthenorthamericanunion.com or stopspp.com, grassfire.com or Worldnetdaily.com for starters. Did you know there's been an African Union, replete with AU flag, constitution and army since 2001? That an Asian Union is being formed, modeled after the European Union? That a South American Union will be finalized in December? How could any sane person doubt that a North American Union is right here, right now? Did you know that Pre-EU, England, for example, was lied to and told the EU wouldn't impact their borders or sovereignty? Post-EU, they helplessly watch as hordes of poor Eastern Europeans flood into the country. Why? Because the EU constitution supercedes the individual nation's constitution. France and Holland voted down the EU constitution, yet the unelected, unaccountable EU "ministers" send out directives anyway that are to be obeyed. Please keep in mind that the SPP or NAU is modeled after the EU. In France this summer, vintners have taken to the streets by the thousands to protest the EU directive to rip out the vines in thousands of acres of private vineyards so that the EU can bring in cheap, generic wine from Spain and Italy. (It's all about money) This,despite the fact the French voted against the EU constitution. Has the news media reported that the French are overturning incoming wine trucks, derailing trains containing wine and promising that there will be blood in the streets if the French president doesn't stop the EU's interference? The media silence is deafening on this and all matters EU. Google on-line European papers to uncover what is really happening. This will be our fate unless we overturn NAFTA and ban the NAU as Representative Virgil Goode of VA is trying to do with the bill he sponsored. Twenty five other Congressmen are co-sponsoring the bill. Google Rep. Goode and see for yourself. If you think there are too many Illegals now, wait until our borders with Mexico are erased (Why do you think the Senate mandated and funded fence was never built?) and we are overrun by a hundred millon Mexicans and South Americans. This mess we have now will look like the good old days. For those of you who doubt the impact or existence of the threat of the Security and Prosperity Partnership (AKA the North American Union), please google:stopthenorthamericanunion.com or stopspp.com, grassfire.com or Worldnetdaily.com for starters.

Did you know there’s been an African Union, replete with AU flag, constitution and army since 2001? That an Asian Union is being formed, modeled after the European Union? That a South American Union will be finalized in December? How could any sane person doubt that a North American Union is right here, right now?

Did you know that Pre-EU, England, for example, was lied to and told the EU wouldn’t impact their borders or sovereignty? Post-EU, they helplessly watch as hordes of poor Eastern Europeans flood into the country. Why? Because the EU constitution supercedes the individual nation’s constitution. France and Holland voted down the EU constitution, yet the unelected, unaccountable EU “ministers” send out directives anyway that are to be obeyed.

Please keep in mind that the SPP or NAU is modeled after the EU.

In France this summer, vintners have taken to the streets by the thousands to protest the EU directive to rip out the vines in thousands of acres of private vineyards so that the EU can bring in cheap, generic wine from Spain and Italy. (It’s all about money) This,despite the fact the French voted against the EU constitution. Has the news media reported that the French are overturning incoming wine trucks, derailing trains containing wine and promising that there will be blood in the streets if the French president doesn’t stop the EU’s interference? The media silence is deafening on this and all matters EU. Google on-line European papers to uncover what is really happening.

This will be our fate unless we overturn NAFTA and ban the NAU as Representative Virgil Goode of VA is trying to do with the bill he sponsored. Twenty five other Congressmen are co-sponsoring the bill. Google Rep. Goode and see for yourself.

If you think there are too many Illegals now, wait until our borders with Mexico are erased (Why do you think the Senate mandated and funded fence was never built?) and we are overrun by a hundred millon Mexicans and South Americans. This mess we have now will look like the good old days.

]]> By: Jim http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/26/beck-john-birch-society-makes-more-and-more-sense/comment-page-2/#comment-3991394 Jim Tue, 07 Aug 2007 20:40:28 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/26/beck-john-birch-society-makes-more-and-more-sense/#comment-3991394 Glenn Beck was raised a Roman Catholic in Mt. Vernon, Washington. His mother committed suicide when he was 13. One of his brothers also committed suicide, and another had a fatal heart attack. Beck is a self-described reformed alcoholic and drug addict. In the aftermath of those three family tragedies, Beck said he used “Dr. Jack Daniels” to cope. He and his first wife divorced amid his struggle with substance abuse. Beck cites the help of Alcoholics Anonymous in his sobriety, and he eventually converted to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints which teaches against the consumption of alcohol. Beck believes he has a personal relationship with God. “God stalked me like he had a giant baptismal rifle,” Beck said. “I thwarted him. I led people astray as much I could but he kept putting Mormons in my way.” ——— Ergo, he’s a dry alcoholic, right-wing Mormon. No wonder he’s trying so hard, despite all evidence to the contrary, to seem like he has something intelligent to say. Maybe he’s holding an Urim and Thummim while he spews…kinda puts him in the same camp as Joseph Smith, who was convicted after an admitting to being a “disorderly person” and an “impostor” in a court in Bainbridge, New York, before he began his ultimate “treasure-hunting expedition”. Glenn Beck was raised a Roman Catholic in Mt. Vernon, Washington. His mother committed suicide when he was 13. One of his brothers also committed suicide, and another had a fatal heart attack.

Beck is a self-described reformed alcoholic and drug addict. In the aftermath of those three family tragedies, Beck said he used “Dr. Jack Daniels” to cope. He and his first wife divorced amid his struggle with substance abuse. Beck cites the help of Alcoholics Anonymous in his sobriety, and he eventually converted to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints which teaches against the consumption of alcohol.

Beck believes he has a personal relationship with God. “God stalked me like he had a giant baptismal rifle,” Beck said. “I thwarted him. I led people astray as much I could but he kept putting Mormons in my way.”

———

Ergo, he’s a dry alcoholic, right-wing Mormon. No wonder he’s trying so hard, despite all evidence to the contrary, to seem like he has something intelligent to say.

Maybe he’s holding an Urim and Thummim while he spews…kinda puts him in the same camp as Joseph Smith, who was convicted after an admitting to being a “disorderly person” and an “impostor” in a court in Bainbridge, New York, before he began his ultimate “treasure-hunting expedition”.

]]> By: Bliss Tew http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/26/beck-john-birch-society-makes-more-and-more-sense/comment-page-2/#comment-3985763 Bliss Tew Sun, 05 Aug 2007 02:56:02 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/26/beck-john-birch-society-makes-more-and-more-sense/#comment-3985763 So many can only cast stones with name-calling at the 50-year-old John Birch Society rather than look at the truth they have given us as warnings, often so far in advance of others. The JBS warned of the communists in government, yes. And today they have been vindicated entirely by such books as THE VENONA SECRETS-EXPOSING SOVIET ESPIONAGE AND AMERICA'S TRAITORS. Sam Antonio did a great job in 3 short minutes warning of a plan by power elites to create a North American Community on the way to an integrated North American Union (NAU) of the three North American nations. The Council on Foreign Relations have urged such integration in their publication if anyone cares to investigate. Try reading Professor Robert A. Pastor's articles in January/Feburay 2004 FOREIGN AFFAIRS about NAFTA, or M. Delal Baer's article "Mexico agt an Impasse" and start seeing the NAU. Instead of name calling try reading the JBS website at www.jbs.org/freedom So many can only cast stones with name-calling at the 50-year-old John Birch Society rather than look at the truth they have given us as warnings, often so far in advance of others. The JBS warned of the communists in government, yes. And today they have been vindicated entirely by such books as THE VENONA SECRETS-EXPOSING SOVIET ESPIONAGE AND AMERICA’S TRAITORS. Sam Antonio did a great job in 3 short minutes warning of a plan by power elites to create a North American Community on the way to an integrated North American Union (NAU) of the three North American nations. The Council on Foreign Relations have urged such integration in their publication if anyone cares to investigate. Try reading Professor Robert A. Pastor’s articles in January/Feburay 2004 FOREIGN AFFAIRS about NAFTA, or M. Delal Baer’s article “Mexico agt an Impasse” and start seeing the NAU. Instead of name calling try reading the JBS website at http://www.jbs.org/freedom

]]> By: boomchaka http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/26/beck-john-birch-society-makes-more-and-more-sense/comment-page-2/#comment-3981221 boomchaka Thu, 02 Aug 2007 01:14:03 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/26/beck-john-birch-society-makes-more-and-more-sense/#comment-3981221 I'm confused by this NAU thing. folks that balk at it point towards the right wing kooks for fueling the NAU fire, calling them bigots for riding the anti-immigration/maintain the borders aspect of what's being proposed by the NAU concept or 'conspiracy theory'. I, in no way associate with the right wing 'kooks'. but, are those that are balking not in the least concerned with any aspect of the SPP, its associated acronyms, their agendas and the largely unpublicized meetings? are the un-kooks being pitted against the kooks purposely so that the un-kooks disassociate/ignore anything that is unfolding as a result of the SPP? because gee, if the un-kooks did investigate and question the SPP, NAU, FTAA, NACC blah blah blah they'd be siding with bigots, nativists, supremacists and nationalists, etc. I do feel a sense watchfulness regarding the SPP and NAU theory. not because I fear globalization necessarily but because I don't understand why it appears to have been kept out of the media, hasn't really been under public scrutiny(of the mainstream sort) and doesn't seem to be going thru any sort of congressional process. help me out here I’m confused by this NAU thing. folks that balk at it point towards the right wing kooks for fueling the NAU fire, calling them bigots for riding the anti-immigration/maintain the borders aspect of what’s being proposed by the NAU concept or ‘conspiracy theory’. I, in no way associate with the right wing ‘kooks’. but, are those that are balking not in the least concerned with any aspect of the SPP, its associated acronyms, their agendas and the largely unpublicized meetings? are the un-kooks being pitted against the kooks purposely so that the un-kooks disassociate/ignore anything that is unfolding as a result of the SPP? because gee, if the un-kooks did investigate and question the SPP, NAU, FTAA, NACC blah blah blah they’d be siding with bigots, nativists, supremacists and nationalists, etc.

I do feel a sense watchfulness regarding the SPP and NAU theory. not because I fear globalization necessarily but because I don’t understand why it appears to have been kept out of the media, hasn’t really been under public scrutiny(of the mainstream sort) and doesn’t seem to be going thru any sort of congressional process. help me out here

]]> By: bluehalo http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/26/beck-john-birch-society-makes-more-and-more-sense/comment-page-2/#comment-3975506 bluehalo Mon, 30 Jul 2007 21:39:52 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/26/beck-john-birch-society-makes-more-and-more-sense/#comment-3975506 While it would appear difficult to influence someone who writes under the pen name swampgas, I will have a go at it: Big wars, and big corporations that feed off them, do not happen without big government. This is the general reasoning behind the desire of libertarians and Birchers to reduce the size of of government in all areas. That a relatively small group of people within our society is attempting to lord over the rest of us seems to be a point we agree on. Where we differ is that you have come to the conclusion (or accept a priori) that empowering government will protect you from those who control the levers of power in government. We need smaller and fewer levers not more lever pullers. In the mean time, if you want to work towards avoiding having the country you live in go totally fascist you should consider the kooks who want smaller government as your allies for the moment. The Clinton or Gore wing of the ruling party is not the antidote to the Bush-Cheney wing. While it would appear difficult to influence someone who writes under the pen name swampgas, I will have a go at it:

Big wars, and big corporations that feed off them, do not happen without big government. This is the general reasoning behind the desire of libertarians and Birchers to reduce the size of of government in all areas.

That a relatively small group of people within our society is attempting to lord over the rest of us seems to be a point we agree on. Where we differ is that you have come to the conclusion (or accept a priori) that empowering government will protect you from those who control the levers of power in government.

We need smaller and fewer levers not more lever pullers.

In the mean time, if you want to work towards avoiding having the country you live in go totally fascist you should consider the kooks who want smaller government as your allies for the moment.

The Clinton or Gore wing of the ruling party is not the antidote to the Bush-Cheney wing.

]]> By: liber http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/26/beck-john-birch-society-makes-more-and-more-sense/comment-page-2/#comment-3970218 liber Sat, 28 Jul 2007 19:51:59 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/26/beck-john-birch-society-makes-more-and-more-sense/#comment-3970218 Now, just wait a second, swampgas, you say the aryan-nations website looks good at first glance. There's a quotation at the top of Adolf Hitler saying those who refuse to fight don't deserve to live. Then you read through the history that this organization is obviously for building a "Fourth Reich" and establishing some sort of white-aryan nation of sorts in North America. It's clearly a neo-Nazi group. The motto is "violence solves everything." They advocate racial purity. At first glance, this looks like a terrible organization. Hard to imagine a worse first impression. The JBS doesn't advocate anything even remotely similar. Yes, both the JBS and Aryan nations are concerned about illegal immigration. But to go from that fact to asserting that JBS has the same motives as Aryan nations is just a huge leap in logic. The same type of reasoning could be (and has been) applied to many people and groups concerned about illegal immigration. I see someone from Aryan nations posted an article that is concerned about the "North American Union," which the JBS is also concerned about. Again, so what? There are many groups concerned about similar things for different reasons. It's entirely possible. So when you ask if you need to say more, YES!! there's a whole lot more you could say to clarify what you mean. So, you may have met a member of JBS, who said something that sounded off the wall, or they let their love for their country get the best of them and said something that seemed a little to inflammatory. If that's the case, why keep this chip on your shoulder? Why go around with such an axe to grind? Is it really worth it? Now, just wait a second, swampgas, you say the aryan-nations website looks good at first glance. There’s a quotation at the top of Adolf Hitler saying those who refuse to fight don’t deserve to live. Then you read through the history that this organization is obviously for building a “Fourth Reich” and establishing some sort of white-aryan nation of sorts in North America. It’s clearly a neo-Nazi group. The motto is “violence solves everything.” They advocate racial purity. At first glance, this looks like a terrible organization. Hard to imagine a worse first impression.

The JBS doesn’t advocate anything even remotely similar. Yes, both the JBS and Aryan nations are concerned about illegal immigration. But to go from that fact to asserting that JBS has the same motives as Aryan nations is just a huge leap in logic. The same type of reasoning could be (and has been) applied to many people and groups concerned about illegal immigration. I see someone from Aryan nations posted an article that is concerned about the “North American Union,” which the JBS is also concerned about. Again, so what? There are many groups concerned about similar things for different reasons. It’s entirely possible. So when you ask if you need to say more, YES!! there’s a whole lot more you could say to clarify what you mean.

So, you may have met a member of JBS, who said something that sounded off the wall, or they let their love for their country get the best of them and said something that seemed a little to inflammatory. If that’s the case, why keep this chip on your shoulder? Why go around with such an axe to grind? Is it really worth it?

]]> By: liber http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/26/beck-john-birch-society-makes-more-and-more-sense/comment-page-2/#comment-3970131 liber Sat, 28 Jul 2007 19:14:39 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/26/beck-john-birch-society-makes-more-and-more-sense/#comment-3970131 How about this one: Go to the www.jbs.org website or find an article in the New American or something else published by JBS and publish it for the world to see.... something really off the wall, way out there, nutty, kooky, crazy, neurotic, hateful, un-American, pure lies, libelous, etc. Heck, you can read the whole "Politician" book that Robert Welch wrote about Pres. Eisenhower online now. You can even read the whole Blue Book of the John Birch Society online (the transcript of the organizational meeting of the JBS). Yep, those are on JBS.org, too. Have fun, and good luck. :) How about this one: Go to the http://www.jbs.org website or find an article in the New American or something else published by JBS and publish it for the world to see…. something really off the wall, way out there, nutty, kooky, crazy, neurotic, hateful, un-American, pure lies, libelous, etc. Heck, you can read the whole “Politician” book that Robert Welch wrote about Pres. Eisenhower online now. You can even read the whole Blue Book of the John Birch Society online (the transcript of the organizational meeting of the JBS). Yep, those are on JBS.org, too. Have fun, and good luck. :)

]]> By: Regina http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/26/beck-john-birch-society-makes-more-and-more-sense/comment-page-2/#comment-3968662 Regina Sat, 28 Jul 2007 03:45:35 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/26/beck-john-birch-society-makes-more-and-more-sense/#comment-3968662 I know Sam Antonio and I’ve been a JBS member over 10 years, since I was 13. We work to restore the Constitution, and get out of the UN. JBS started an Impeach Clinton campaign two months before the Lewinski story broke. We pushed impeachment because Clinton gave secrets to China. The Washington Post later credited JBS with leadership in the Impeachment, saying that the Birch Society had once again proved that an ideologically committed few can change the course of history. The racist accusation came from a smear in the 60’s. Several of the members in our chapter joined during that time because they heard the smear in the news, and then realized patriotic friends they admired most were members! What I’ve seen of Birch policy toward racism, if any guest or member makes a racist comment, their membership is pulled and they are not invited back. My dad is a public school teacher (and homeschooling father) who got his degree at Berkeley. He almost didn’t go into his first JBS event, a speech on education by Samuel Blumenfeld, when he realized it was Birch sponsored. Now Dad has been a JBS chapter leader for over 20 years and considers JBS, along with God and family, one of the greatest things in his life These border Patrol agents were doing their job. Their trial has sent shock waves through the Border Patrol. Ramos and Compian were on the front lines. Check out the story Punished for Doing Their Job, at thenewamerican.com I know Sam Antonio and I’ve been a JBS member over 10 years, since I was 13. We work to restore the Constitution, and get out of the UN. JBS started an Impeach Clinton campaign two months before the Lewinski story broke. We pushed impeachment because Clinton gave secrets to China. The Washington Post later credited JBS with leadership in the Impeachment, saying that the Birch Society had once again proved that an ideologically committed few can change the course of history.

The racist accusation came from a smear in the 60’s. Several of the members in our chapter joined during that time because they heard the smear in the news, and then realized patriotic friends they admired most were members!
What I’ve seen of Birch policy toward racism, if any guest or member makes a racist comment, their membership is pulled and they are not invited back.

My dad is a public school teacher (and homeschooling father) who got his degree at Berkeley. He almost didn’t go into his first JBS event, a speech on education by Samuel Blumenfeld, when he realized it was Birch sponsored. Now Dad has been a JBS chapter leader for over 20 years and considers JBS, along with God and family, one of the greatest things in his life

These border Patrol agents were doing their job. Their trial has sent shock waves through the Border Patrol. Ramos and Compian were on the front lines. Check out the story Punished for Doing Their Job, at thenewamerican.com

]]> By: swampgas http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/26/beck-john-birch-society-makes-more-and-more-sense/comment-page-2/#comment-3967833 swampgas Fri, 27 Jul 2007 22:40:24 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/26/beck-john-birch-society-makes-more-and-more-sense/#comment-3967833 <em>You know, I never really heard of these people until recently. I looked up their wikipedia page and I looked at their website, and I don’t really see what’s so “nutty” about what they say. I don’t agree with a lot of things they say, but it’s not “nutty.” Comment by Alejandro — July 27, 2007 @ 5:25 pm</em> Then you have never dealt with them on a personal level. This site below looks good at first glance. Need I say more? <a href="http://www.aryan-nations.org/about.htm" rel="nofollow"> http://www.aryan-nations.org/about.htm</a> You know, I never really heard of these people until recently. I looked up their wikipedia page and I looked at their website, and I don’t really see what’s so “nutty” about what they say.

I don’t agree with a lot of things they say, but it’s not “nutty.”

Comment by Alejandro — July 27, 2007 @ 5:25 pm

Then you have never dealt with them on a personal level.

This site below looks good at first glance. Need I say more?

http://www.aryan-nations.org/about.htm

]]> By: Alejandro http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/26/beck-john-birch-society-makes-more-and-more-sense/comment-page-2/#comment-3967669 Alejandro Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:25:45 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/26/beck-john-birch-society-makes-more-and-more-sense/#comment-3967669 You know, I never really heard of these people until recently. I looked up their wikipedia page and I looked at their website, and I don't really see what's so "nutty" about what they say. I don't agree with a lot of things they say, but it's not "nutty." You know, I never really heard of these people until recently. I looked up their wikipedia page and I looked at their website, and I don’t really see what’s so “nutty” about what they say.

I don’t agree with a lot of things they say, but it’s not “nutty.”

]]> By: swampgas http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/26/beck-john-birch-society-makes-more-and-more-sense/comment-page-2/#comment-3967615 swampgas Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:02:56 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/26/beck-john-birch-society-makes-more-and-more-sense/#comment-3967615 <em>#53 gp got it right. It’s all about the city, county, state - rely on your neighbors. If you don’t like corporations in your neighborhood, find a new one or move them out - it’s your choice. Comment by bn — July 27, 2007 @ 2:13 pm</em> Like the old saying "Love it or Leave It". The idea is to stop it at the source, not after the damage is done. #53 gp got it right. It’s all about the city, county, state – rely on your neighbors. If you don’t like corporations in your neighborhood, find a new one or move them out – it’s your choice.

Comment by bn — July 27, 2007 @ 2:13 pm

Like the old saying “Love it or Leave It”. The idea is to stop it at the source, not after the damage is done.

]]> By: bn http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/26/beck-john-birch-society-makes-more-and-more-sense/comment-page-2/#comment-3967002 bn Fri, 27 Jul 2007 18:13:44 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/26/beck-john-birch-society-makes-more-and-more-sense/#comment-3967002 #53 gp got it right. It's all about the city, county, state - rely on your neighbors. If you don't like corporations in your neighborhood, find a new one or move them out - it's your choice. #53 gp got it right. It’s all about the city, county, state – rely on your neighbors. If you don’t like corporations in your neighborhood, find a new one or move them out – it’s your choice.

]]> By: Mary http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/26/beck-john-birch-society-makes-more-and-more-sense/comment-page-2/#comment-3966937 Mary Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:59:10 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/26/beck-john-birch-society-makes-more-and-more-sense/#comment-3966937 For almost 50 years, The John Birch Society has educated and informed its members and others, and played an important role in halting legislation and federal policies that threaten the independence of our country and our people. They believe in family values and personal freedom with less government and more personal responsibility, while adhereing to The Constitution of the United States of America. Explore the website, learn more about The John Birch Society at www.jbs.org. For almost 50 years, The John Birch Society has educated and informed its members and others, and played an important role in halting legislation and federal policies that threaten the independence of our country and our people.

They believe in family values and personal freedom with less government and more personal responsibility, while adhereing to The Constitution of the United States of America.

Explore the website, learn more about The John Birch Society at http://www.jbs.org.

]]> By: Kyle http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/26/beck-john-birch-society-makes-more-and-more-sense/comment-page-2/#comment-3966645 Kyle Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:48:00 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/26/beck-john-birch-society-makes-more-and-more-sense/#comment-3966645 Given the paranoid streak JBS has had over the years it's hard for them not to have a lot of enemies. Given the paranoid streak JBS has had over the years it’s hard for them not to have a lot of enemies.

]]> By: Kevin Good http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/26/beck-john-birch-society-makes-more-and-more-sense/comment-page-2/#comment-3966623 Kevin Good Fri, 27 Jul 2007 16:42:56 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/26/beck-john-birch-society-makes-more-and-more-sense/#comment-3966623 John Birch Society? This guy could make a lot more money appearing as a GOP strategist on a FOX news debate. John Birch Society? This guy could make a lot more money appearing as a GOP strategist on a FOX news debate.

]]> By: swampgas http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/26/beck-john-birch-society-makes-more-and-more-sense/comment-page-2/#comment-3966329 swampgas Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:31:57 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/26/beck-john-birch-society-makes-more-and-more-sense/#comment-3966329 <em>Wow, for a nonpartisan organization’s blog that seeks to provide a forum advancing progressive ideas and policies, there doesn’t seem to be much of that going on here. Very few are doing their own research. Go to www.jbs.org if you want to see what the John Birch Society is up to. They have had more than their fair share of enemies over the years, including mainstream media that were involved in a smear campaign in the 60s and 70s, which still follows them to this day. Of course, the easiest way to make them enemies is to accuse them of being a hate group and liken them to such. I know a number of “Birchers” and have found them to not be the stereotypical sort I thought they would be. Don’t let ignorance be bliss. Check out the facts for yourself and base your opinions on that. Your grandkids will thank you for it when we still have a United States of America left. God bless… Comment by Will — July 27, 2007 @ 9:57 am</em> Dog Bless! JBS does not like NAFTA, yet is for unregulated trade. It does not like trade with China, is for unregulated trade. Birchers are racists, anti-science, homophobes, gun nuts, government haters, police haters, and corporatists. Aryan Nation, Skinheads, and Neo-Nazis love them. I have read them on sites like newnation.org BTW, Will, go to FreeRepublic, where you belong, if you don't like it here. What is the point you and your troll brethren hope to accomplish? I was on the fence with Ron Paul, until I read the attacks on people who don't agree with most of what he stands for, and it caused me to look further into him. I then found that he is a stealth Right-Winger, with the same sorry platform for social change. Same with the JBS. I just thought they were a bit kooky, but now you caused me to look into them, and I find they are more of what people have always said they are. Wow, for a nonpartisan organization’s blog that seeks to provide a forum advancing progressive ideas and policies, there doesn’t seem to be much of that going on here. Very few are doing their own research. Go to http://www.jbs.org if you want to see what the John Birch Society is up to. They have had more than their fair share of enemies over the years, including mainstream media that were involved in a smear campaign in the 60s and 70s, which still follows them to this day. Of course, the easiest way to make them enemies is to accuse them of being a hate group and liken them to such. I know a number of “Birchers” and have found them to not be the stereotypical sort I thought they would be. Don’t let ignorance be bliss. Check out the facts for yourself and base your opinions on that. Your grandkids will thank you for it when we still have a United States of America left.

God bless…

Comment by Will — July 27, 2007 @ 9:57 am

Dog Bless!

JBS does not like NAFTA, yet is for unregulated trade. It does not like trade with China, is for unregulated trade. Birchers are racists, anti-science, homophobes, gun nuts, government haters, police haters, and corporatists. Aryan Nation, Skinheads, and Neo-Nazis love them. I have read them on sites like newnation.org

BTW, Will, go to FreeRepublic, where you belong, if you don’t like it here. What is the point you and your troll brethren hope to accomplish? I was on the fence with Ron Paul, until I read the attacks on people who don’t agree with most of what he stands for, and it caused me to look further into him. I then found that he is a stealth Right-Winger, with the same sorry platform for social change. Same with the JBS. I just thought they were a bit kooky, but now you caused me to look into them, and I find they are more of what people have always said they are.

]]> By: sam diego http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/26/beck-john-birch-society-makes-more-and-more-sense/comment-page-2/#comment-3966255 sam diego Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:06:09 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/26/beck-john-birch-society-makes-more-and-more-sense/#comment-3966255 the libertarian ideal is happening right now in china. no oversight, no regulation, lots of pollution, unsafe products, child labor, poisonous food, etc. hey but lots of money is being made! and the libertarian NRA wet dream is in full flourish in iraq right now too. a well armed society is a polite society. good one. go ron paul! the libertarian ideal is happening right now in china. no oversight, no regulation, lots of pollution, unsafe products, child labor, poisonous food, etc. hey but lots of money is being made!

and the libertarian NRA wet dream is in full flourish in iraq right now too. a well armed society is a polite society. good one.

go ron paul!

]]> By: sam diego http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/26/beck-john-birch-society-makes-more-and-more-sense/comment-page-2/#comment-3966240 sam diego Fri, 27 Jul 2007 15:00:51 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/26/beck-john-birch-society-makes-more-and-more-sense/#comment-3966240 here we have the moron glenn beck agreeing with anti american insane people on CNN but jet blew caves to bill oreilly's hypocritical attacks on the dailykos. this country is doomed. here we have the moron glenn beck agreeing with anti american insane people on CNN but jet blew caves to bill oreilly’s hypocritical attacks on the dailykos.

this country is doomed.

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