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Conyers seeks copies of Mueller’s notes.

By Faiz on Jul 26th, 2007 at 9:19 pm

Conyers seeks copies of Mueller’s notes.»

During the House Judiciary Committee’s hearing with FBI Director Robert Mueller today, Rep. Arthur Davis (D-AL) asked Mueller whether he retained notes of his March 2004 conversation with Ashcroft in the hospital. Mueller said he did take notes because the events were so “out of the ordinary.” Chairman John Conyers wrote to Mueller after the hearing requesting access to those notes. “I write now to formalize that request, and ask that you provide the Committee with copies of the notes to which you referred in your testimony,” Conyers said. The notes will likely provide further evidence that Alberto Gonzales misled Congress when he said those 2004 discussions were about “other intelligence activities.”

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482 Responses to “Conyers seeks copies of Mueller’s notes.”


  1. Zehava Says:

    The focus sharpens….


  2. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    Ooooo… this could be vewy, vewy interestin’!


  3. JG Says:

    Does it feel like finally this is a little crack in the dike and the water is dripping a little harder??


  4. JG Says:

    Geez, I am afraid to start getting my hopes up..


  5. upside00 Says:

    Did any of you see Snow-job interviewed on Matthews show tonight? Ol’ Tony was spinning faster than a dreidel during Hanukkah!! Made me DIZZEEE!!!


  6. ace Says:

    I’m sure that Bush will declare that his notes are covered under “Executive Privilege” - which would of course then implicate Bush as having directed these guys to go to Ashcroft’s bedside.

    Rock, meet hard place.


  7. GoTFreedumb Says:

    JG,.
    No, We lost along time ago.
    this will not have any affect as to the damage allread did and done.
    there is no hope for freedumb.


  8. GoTFreedumb Says:

    #

    Geez, I am afraid to start getting my hopes up..

    Comment by JG — July 26, 2007 @ 9:27 pm
    I gave up along time ago. I,ve learned to accept the truth.
    freedom IS freedumb.
    God never gave us freedom.
    freedom is NOT free.


  9. Zehava Says:

    Does it feel like finally this is a little crack in the dike and the water is dripping a little harder??
    Comment by JG — July 26, 2007 @ 9:26 pm

    Yes. There is ALWAYS hope.


  10. Jay Says:

    Every time the truth gains a little traction against this criminal administration, they conveniently slither away unscathed. My guess is that the “enforcers” (Rove and Dick, et al.) make a few phone calls to the party that strayed out of line and whammo, retractions, backpedaling, media complicity in changing the complexion of the story.

    If Rove or Cheney can be removed from power, the game is over.


  11. ForTruth Says:

    I’m glad to see someone with the nads to continue. And someone was actually a professional at there job (Mueller).


  12. Marcus Aurelius Says:

    I’m sure that Bush will declare that his notes are covered under “Executive Privilege” - which would of course then implicate Bush as having directed these guys to go to Ashcroft’s bedside.

    Rock, meet hard place.

    Comment by ace — July 26, 2007 @ 9:29 pm

    Bush thinks Executive Privilege is a Get Out of Jail Card.


  13. Elizabeth Yeager Says:

    Just a small correction - it’s Artur Davis, not Arthur.


  14. Jeannie See Says:

    Sorry, guys, I’m still smelling another “Executive Privilage” coming around the bend.


  15. helenahandbasket Says:

    Bedtime for Gonzo


  16. Pat Says:

    Off topic here but…

    If you tell a troll to fu(k off on TP, do they ban you? I thought I was only doing the right thing! There may have been a real c in there by the way…


  17. Jeannie See Says:

    ace, if memory serves me correctly, he did say that he went there “on behalf of the president”.


  18. GoTFreedumb Says:

    #10
    Yes. There is ALWAYS hope.

    Comment by Zehava — July 26, 2007 @ 9:33 pm
    PROVE IT! MAKE THE RICH FEEL SORRY FOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE!


  19. GoTFreedumb Says:

    Yes. There is ALWAYS hope.

    Comment by Zehava — July 26, 2007 @ 9:33 pm
    PROVE IT!


  20. GoTFreedumb Says:

    Yes. There is ALWAYS hope.

    Comment by Zehava — July 26, 2007 @ 9:33 pm
    PROVE IT!!


  21. Jeannie See Says:

    Man, the trolls are really coming unglued aren’t they?


  22. Zehava Says:

    If you tell a troll to fu(k off on TP, do they ban you? I thought I was only doing the right thing! There may have been a real c in there by the way…
    Comment by Pat — July 26, 2007 @ 9:43 pm

    They probably wouldn’t ban you, but your comment will get deleted. I have lots of experience with that.

    That filter is set so high, that I put up a comment where I only wanted to tell someone to f*ck off, and it was deleted. That’s not fair.


  23. Mr. President Says:

    Yeah right.

    So now Gonzales “misled” Congress.

    Please.

    GIVE IT UP, LEFTIES!!!


  24. GoTFreedumb Says:

    Yes. There is ALWAYS hope.

    Comment by Zehava — July 26, 2007 @ 9:33 pm
    PROVE THERE IS SO CALLED HOPE! because, i don,t believe it!
    WHERE ARE YOUR FACTS ?


  25. upside00 Says:

    Comment by Zehava — July 26, 2007 @ 9:33 pm
    PROVE IT! MAKE THE RICH FEEL SORRY FOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE!

    Comment by GoTFreedumb

    I think the last person to make a rich man feel sorry was Bob Cratchett in Tiny Tim.


  26. Egreggious Says:

    “Now, where did I put those notes again…..”

    If you tell a troll to fu(k off on TP, do they ban you? I thought I was only doing the right thing! There may have been a real c in there by the way…

    Comment by Pat — July 26, 2007 @ 9:43 pm

    You only earn our undying admiration.


  27. Zehava Says:

    PROVE IT!!
    Comment by GoTFreedumb — July 26, 2007 @ 9:46 pm

    Prove there is no hope.

    And stop spamming this thread, you’re acting like a troll.


  28. Jeannie See Says:

    So, wouldn’t a statement like “on behalf of the president” mean that it was at the president’s request?


  29. Pat Says:

    #15 Jeannie See,

    I agree. I also believe the repugs are just throwing shit out there to frustrate the dems. KKKRove and group know the only way to have ANY possiblity in 2008 is to make the dems appear non effective. So far, it’s working.


  30. s Says:

    Heh.

    Ooooo… this could be vewy, vewy interestin’!

    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 26, 2007 @ 9:22 pm

    This is why you are next in line for the Daily Show.


  31. Zehava Says:

    So, wouldn’t a statement like “on behalf of the president” mean that it was at the president’s request?
    Comment by Jeannie See — July 26, 2007 @ 9:49 pm

    That could prove awkward. :D

    My thoughts on Executive Privilege are that the more Bush invokes it, the more attention he draws from the sheeple. His commutation of Libby’s sentence may prove to his Bush’s “Saturday Night Massacre.”


  32. JG Says:

    I actually do have some hope. How does Bush call his own FBI director a liar..?


  33. Jeannie See Says:

    I work for a construction company however, i run books for 14 different companies. Whenever I have to conduct business for one of those companies (outside of the construction company) I always have to say, “I calling on the behalf of…..” which means that I am conducting business for which ever company I am call on the behalf of.


  34. GoTFreedumb Says:

    GIVE IT UP, LEFTIES!!!

    Comment by Mr. President — July 26, 2007 @ 9:47 pm
    Mr Pres,
    YOU ARE PROBABLY RIGHT.
    BUT, I CAN GUARANTEE YOU, YOU WILL GO DOWN TOO!!!


  35. Egreggious Says:

    All of this coming to a head just in time for….

    Congressional recess.


  36. Pat Says:

    33 JG,

    It seems the WH is welcoming the fight with the congress. They believe they can tie things up and blame it on the dems. I wouldn’t put anything past KKKRove.


  37. Mr. President Says:

    BUT, I CAN GUARANTEE YOU, YOU WILL GO DOWN TOO!!!

    Comment by GoTFreedumb — July 26, 2007 @ 9:54 pm
    ———————————————————
    Guarantee?

    The best you can do is hope!


  38. JG Says:

    Didn’t I read somewhwere that the Deoms were going to have people there in their offices off and on throughout the recess to make sure Bush didn’t try to slip through a recess appointment??) I know I read it somewhere..)


  39. Zehava Says:

    All of this coming to a head just in time for….
    Congressional recess.
    Comment by Egreggious

    A sticking point, I agree. But not insurmountable.


  40. Egreggious Says:

    Comment by JG — July 26, 2007 @ 9:57 pm

    I’ve only read that here.

    But we can HOPE!


  41. Zehava Says:

    Didn’t I read somewhwere that the Deoms were going to have people there in their offices off and on throughout the recess to make sure Bush didn’t try to slip through a recess appointment??) I know I read it somewhere..)
    Comment by JG — July 26, 2007 @ 9:57 pm

    I remember something about that. Harry Reid was going to try to prevent recess appointments.


  42. Egreggious Says:

    It would actually be funny if Congress didn’t go on recess.

    While the Iraqi Parliament was on vacation.

    And Bush was clearing brush.


  43. GoTFreedumb Says:

    GUARANTEED!
    I GAVE UP THE FIRST TIME BUSH STOLE THE ELECTIONS!
    OR RATHER THE REPUBS STOLE THE ELECTIONS!
    LIKE I SAID!
    I CAN GUARANTEE YOU, YOU WILL GO DOWN TOO!!!
    MARK MY WORDS FREEDUMB LOVER!!!


  44. ForTruth Says:

    Hope and sh!t both float.


  45. JG Says:

    Maybe we could just impeach Bush and CHeney WHILE they were on vacation.. Sort of like a RECESS IMPEACHMENT!! What d’ya think??


  46. GoTFreedumb Says:

    #44 was intended for Mr P


  47. ForTruth Says:

    JG,

    Good one. Yeah, recess impeachment!


  48. Egreggious Says:

    #44 was intended for Mr P

    Comment by GoTFreedumb — July 26, 2007 @ 10:02 pm

    It’s OK. I didn’t get any #44 on me.


  49. John Says:

    GoTFreedumb

    The return of the banned ‘freedumb is not free’?


  50. Zehava Says:

    Hope and sh!t both float.
    Comment by ForTruth

    Thanks.


  51. Mr. President Says:

    I CAN GUARANTEE YOU, YOU WILL GO DOWN TOO!!!
    MARK MY WORDS FREEDUMB LOVER!!!

    Comment by GoTFreedumb — July 26, 2007 @ 10:00 pm
    ————————————————————–
    Oh, I see…

    It’s either hopelessness or apodeicticity with you libs.

    Well, sorry, but the real world isn’t strictly black or white, there are shades of gray!


  52. ForTruth Says:

    Congress could just change the dates of recess at the last minute, and not tell Bush.


  53. Zehava Says:

    Maybe we could just impeach Bush and CHeney WHILE they were on vacation.. Sort of like a RECESS IMPEACHMENT!! What d’ya think??
    Comment by JG — July 26, 2007 @ 10:02 pm

    I could go for that!


  54. GoTFreedumb Says:

    GUARANTEED!
    I GAVE UP THE FIRST TIME BUSH STOLE THE ELECTIONS!
    OR RATHER THE REPUBS STOLE THE ELECTIONS!
    LIKE I SAID!
    I CAN GUARANTEE YOU, YOU FREEDUMB LOVERS WILL GO DOWN TOO!!!
    MARK MY WORDS FREEDUMB LOVERS!!!
    GOD WILL ALLOW US TO DESTROY OURSELVES.
    AS THE OLD SAYING GOES:
    GIVE THEM ENOUGH ROPE, THEY WILL HANG THEMSELVES!


  55. Egreggious Says:

    It’s either hopelessness or apodeicticity with you libs.

    Comment by Mr. President — July 26, 2007 @ 10:05 pm

    All right. I got to look that one up, Trashy Machos.


  56. Zehava Says:

    Well, sorry, but the real world isn’t strictly black or white, there are shades of gray!
    Comment by Mr. President

    Coming from you, that means absolutely nothing.


  57. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    Coming from you, that means absolutely nothing.

    Comment by Zehava

    Or even less!


  58. Art Says:

    Notes taken at the hospital meeting = Stain on blue dress


  59. JPark Says:

    “So now Gonzales “misled” Congress.

    Please.

    GIVE IT UP, LEFTIES!!!”

    You are right. The word is lied. The torture loving son of a b!tch flat out lied to Congress. Are you proud of that?


  60. Jeannie See Says:

    Color me confused, but why is everone so upset with the Iragi Parliament taking a vacation when our own government takes vacations?


  61. Egreggious Says:

    Or even less!

    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 26, 2007 @ 10:08 pm

    Pow!


  62. Mr. President Says:

    Comment by GoTFreedumb — July 26, 2007 @ 10:07 pm

    R U “freedomrings”?


  63. JPark Says:

    By the way, Primus, how much gray is involved in torture? And you KNOW the 24 scenario is bullsh!t.


  64. GoTFreedumb Says:

    Well, sorry, but the real world isn’t strictly black or white, there are shades of gray!

    Comment by Mr. President — July 26, 2007 @ 10:05 pm
    WELL ,SORRY, BUT THE REAL WORLD DOESN’T BELONG TO YOU OR ME OR US!


  65. Mr. President Says:

    JPark,

    No.


  66. Egreggious Says:

    Color me confused, but why is everone so upset with the Iragi Parliament taking a vacation when our own government takes vacations?

    Comment by Jeannie See — July 26, 2007 @ 10:08 pm

    Part of the stated purpose of the “surge” was to buy the Iraqi government time to make progress on various issues. So, while our kids are dying, the Iraqi Parliament has decided it’s a little too warm to conduct business right now.


  67. ForTruth Says:

    Alright Mr. President, that word you used was wayyy too big. Kinda bombastic of ya’.


  68. Zehava Says:

    It’s either hopelessness or apodeicticity with you libs.
    Comment by Mr. President

    Mr P found another way to say “black or white.”

    Here’s a cookie.


  69. Mr. President Says:

    By the way, Primus, how much gray is involved in torture? And you KNOW the 24 scenario is bullsh!t.

    Comment by JPark — July 26, 2007 @ 10:09 pm
    ———————————————————–
    I don’t recall.


  70. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    Color me confused, but why is everone so upset with the Iragi Parliament taking a vacation when our own government takes vacations?

    Comment by Jeannie See

    Because American soldiers will still be fighting and dying in 130 degree heat while the Iraqi and, yes, American legislatures, are vacationeering.

    Trust me, folks around here are plenty annoyed at our own government over this BS.


  71. JPark Says:

    Then what is the deal, Primus? I know you like pulling legs and BSing. What do you really think? Should Gonzo be in jail?


  72. Mr. President Says:

    Alright Mr. President, that word you used was wayyy too big. Kinda bombastic of ya’.

    Comment by ForTruth — July 26, 2007 @ 10:11 pm
    ————————————————-
    Sorry, it just popped into my head.


  73. Jeannie See Says:

    Color me confused, but why is everone so upset with the Iragi Parliament taking a vacation when our own government takes vacations?

    Comment by Jeannie See — July 26, 2007 @ 10:08 pm

    *everone” s/b everyone, sorry.

    Hey, where has Wayne and Jane been lately?


  74. had enough Says:

    I gave up along time ago. I,ve learned to accept the truth.
    freedom IS freedumb.
    God never gave us freedom.
    freedom is NOT free.

    Comment by GoTFreedumb

    Freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose….


  75. Egreggious Says:

    I think Wayne was here this morning.

    I believe they have lives.


  76. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    It’s either hopelessness or apodeicticity with you libs.

    Comment by Mr. President

    …the property of apodeicticity (of universal, necessary and inevitable validity) inseparably attached to it…

    Me’thinks the pot is calling the kettle black, AGAIN…


  77. JG Says:

    (Sorry for being off-topic..)
    Speaking of our soldiers, did anyone read this today:
    http://www.crooksandliars.com/ 2007/ 07/ 26/ army-billing-vets-for-damaged-equipment/

    Then read this:
    http://www.uslaboragainstwar.org/article.php?id=13594

    Including this:

    “Another young Halliburton worker named James Logsdon told me about the burn pits. Burn pits are large dumps near military stations where they would burn equipment, trucks, trash, etc. If they ordered the wrong item, they’d throw it in the burn pit. If a tire blew on a piece of equipment, they’d throw the whole thing into the burn pit. They burn pits had so much equipment, they even gave them a nickname — “Home Depot.”

    The trucker said he would get us some photos. And I naively asked, how big are they, the size of a backyard swimming pool? He laughed, and referred to one that he had seen that was 15 football fields large, and burned around the clock! It infuriated him to have to burn stuff rather then give it to the Iraqis or to the military. Yet Halliburton was being rewarded each time they billed the government for a new truck or new piece of equipment. With a cost- plus contract, the contractors receive a percentage of the money they spend. As Shane told me, “It’s a legal way of stealing from the government or the taxpayers’ money.”"

    This has me really pissed.


  78. Zehava Says:

    I believe they have lives.
    Comment by Egreggious — July 26, 2007 @ 10:15 pm

    What? What is this thing you speak of…..lives?


  79. Mr. President Says:

    What do you really think? Should Gonzo be in jail?

    Comment by JPark — July 26, 2007 @ 10:12 pm
    ————————————–
    I think that he should never have been in the situation in the first place. With all of the (possibly needless) secrecy in the Bush Adm. Gonzales did not seem to know what he should or should not say, due to the interests of national security and on-going programs.


  80. Egreggious Says:

    This has me really pissed.

    Comment by JG — July 26, 2007 @ 10:18 pm

    Wow, JG. It just keeps getting worse, doesn’t it?


  81. JPark Says:

    No, MP, he threw himself into the dialogue in the first place. He and Yoo were the big legal pushers of the very illegal acts of the administration before he was AG. Why do you think he got the job???


  82. Egreggious Says:

    Comment by Mr. President — July 26, 2007 @ 10:19 pm

    Much better than HeyoooOOoOOOoooOOooo in my opinion.


  83. Mr. President Says:

    Why do you think he got the job???

    Comment by JPark — July 26, 2007 @ 10:22 pm
    —————–

    Merit?


  84. Jeannie See Says:

    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 26, 2007 @ 10:12 pm

    Maybe I’m wrong in my sentiment, I just feel that old saying, “what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.” If we are going to get into an uproar about their govenment taking a vacation because people are fighting and dying, then why in the hell is our government taking a vacation?

    At this moment in time, we don’t need our government taking a vacation wither.


  85. JG Says:

    Comment by Mr. President — July 26, 2007 @ 10:19 pm
    What are you talking about? Gonzales is a GREAT Consigliere. His Don, Pres. Bush, will take care of him and cover his backside.
    His interest is not the office of Attorney GEneral or this country. His interest is voering for whatever Bush is doing. Period.


  86. Mr. President Says:

    HEyOOOooOOO!!!


  87. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    Gonzales did not seem to know what he should or should not say, due to the interests of national security and on-going programs

    Comment by Mr. President

    And alibis… don’t forget the alibis… “due to the interests of national security, on-going programs, and badly-needed alibis…”


  88. JPark Says:

    That was a joke, right, Primus?


  89. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    then why in the hell is our government taking a vacation?

    At this moment in time, we don’t need our government taking a vacation wither.

    Comment by Jeannie See

    That exact sentiment has been voiced more than once here…


  90. JPark Says:

    Primus, I am guessing Omerta, more likely. He certainly is no legal genius.


  91. Mr. President Says:

    Comment by JG

    But… but… national security… on-going programs…


  92. JG Says:

    Aahhh, spelling is starting to fall apart.. Try again..

    What are you talking about? Gonzales is a GREAT Consigliere. His Don, the Pres. Bush, will take care of him and cover his backside.
    His interest is not the office of Attorney General or this country. His interest is covering for whatever Bush is doing. Period.

    (Better..)


  93. JPark Says:

    Prime, you know that those ongoing programs are unconstitutional, right?


  94. Jeannie See Says:

    either. sheese. finding nail clipper now.


  95. JPark Says:

    Everybody who pays attention knows Gonzalez was not appointed for his legal expertise. He was appointed for his loyalty.


  96. Zehava Says:

    At this moment in time, we don’t need our government taking a vacation wither.
    Comment by Jeannie See — July 26, 2007 @ 10:24 pm

    When you’re right, you’re right! There should be no breaks while the troops are dying.


  97. veritas Says:

    http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/8971

    Let’s impeach the entire GOP! This is a great article that suggests what must be done: sweep every Repuke out of office. They are supporting the criminal violation of our laws and our constitution.


  98. Mr. President Says:

    Prime, you know that those ongoing programs are unconstitutional, right?

    Comment by JPark — July 26, 2007 @ 10:27 pm
    ————————————————————
    Well, sometimes the constitution isn’t adequate when fighting an enemy that knows no honor.


  99. Zehava Says:

    Well, sometimes the constitution isn’t adequate when fighting an enemy that knows no honor.
    Comment by Mr. President — July 26, 2007 @ 10:29 pm

    Bullshit. That’s when it’s most important.


  100. Mr. President Says:

    He was appointed for his loyalty.

    Comment by JPark — July 26, 2007 @ 10:28 pm
    ————————–
    Yeah, like I said… merit.


  101. Egreggious Says:

    Well, sometimes the constitution isn’t adequate when fighting an enemy that knows no honor.

    Comment by Mr. President — July 26, 2007 @ 10:29 pm

    What are we supposed to do when the Constitution isn’t adequate?


  102. JPark Says:

    “Well, sometimes the constitution isn’t adequate when fighting an enemy that knows no honor”

    You are joking, right? If not…Tom Jefferson and Tom Payne would be kicking your a$$ right now.


  103. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    Well, sometimes the constitution isn’t adequate when fighting an enemy that knows no honor.

    Comment by Mr. President

    Care to tell us which parts you think are “silly”???


  104. AboveTheClouds Says:

    Bush is running out of time to restore “dignity” back to the White House. I guess when you get advice from people like Rove, Cheney, Perle, and Wolfowitz dignity kind of takes a back seat–along with the truth.


  105. JG Says:

    Well, sometimes the constitution isn’t adequate when fighting an enemy that knows no honor.

    What about an Administration that knows no honor..??
    You opened the door.

    Here are my quotes from the FATHER of the Constitution - James Madison (he knew what he was talking about):

    “The accumulation of all powers legislative, executive and judiciary in the same hands, whether of one, a few or many…may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny”

    “No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.” - James Madison

    “If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.” - James Madison

    “The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home.” - James Madison

    “We are right to take alarm at the first experiment upon our liberties.” - James Madison


  106. JPark Says:

    Primus, you are not that stupid. Loyalty does not equal competence.


  107. Wayne A. Schneider Says:

    Why do you think he got the job???

    Comment by JPark — July 26, 2007 @ 10:22 pm
    —————–

    Merit?

    Comment by Mr. President — July 26, 2007 @ 10:23 pm

    But… but… national security… on-going programs…

    Comment by Mr. President — July 26, 2007 @ 10:26 pm

    I knew you had a sense of humor. :D

    Of course the one and only reason that Alberto Gonzales is now this country’s Attorney General has absolutely nothing to do with “merit”, for there are very few meritorious about him, save perhaps his complete and utter devotion to protecting the man who made his “career”, but “loyalty”. Loyalty to one man, above all else, including the people, the country, the law, and the constitution. It really is that simple.

    And the primary reason he is desperate to protect the existence of thos national security reason is because they are quite likely illegal and unconstitutional and, therefore, not subject to the protection of true national security interests. And if they were subject to thsi protection, they would also be subject to Congressional review, to make sure that the power was not being abused. I can;t tell you how many times I’ve heard a Republican say about these porgrams, “If you’ve done nothing wrong, you’ve got nothing to worry about.” Funny how it doesn;t work the other way around.


  108. Mr. President Says:

    What are we supposed to do when the Constitution isn’t adequate?

    Comment by Egreggious — July 26, 2007 @ 10:32 pm
    ——————————————————————-
    Amend, revise, improve… work around it, find loop-holes, etc. etc.


  109. JPark Says:

    Eggy, we are supposed to wipe our a$$es with it like George does.


  110. Jeannie See Says:

    Gonzales did not seem to know what he should or should not say, due to the interests of national security and on-going programs

    Comment by Mr. President

    Bullshit. He’s the friggin’ AG. The head of all law enforcement (supposedly). If he doesn’t know what he can or cannot say, then he has absolutely no business beinging in the position that he holds. Comeon, even you aren’t that stupid.


  111. ForTruth Says:

    The President finally admits he feels the Constitution is inadequate. Let me guess a group of “Pioneers” want to change all that. Neocons anyone?


  112. GoTFreedumb Says:

    What are we supposed to do when the Constitution isn’t adequate?

    Comment by Egreggious
    Sorry, . that was a sheep question..
    mr p gave you the wrong answer.
    The Right Answer is
    GIVE IT(FREEDOM) UP! WE ARE LOSING!
    CHINA WILL WIN!


  113. JPark Says:

    “Amend, revise, improve… work around it, find loop-holes, etc. etc.”

    Well, the first three work (there are provisions for that). Loop-holes, not so much, and you know it. Bush is a criminal.


  114. Egreggious Says:

    I think Mr. Pee has a valid point. There are times the Constitution “lets us down” (I would suggest that “Executive Privilege” might be an example of that). But I also feel that we stray from the Constitution at our peril. Where, if not there, do we draw the line? Where will Hillary draw the line?


  115. Wayne A. Schneider Says:

    Amend, revise, improve… work around it, find loop-holes, etc. etc.

    Comment by Mr. President — July 26, 2007 @ 10:34 pm

    I see you’re having fun tweaking the folks here with your blatantly inane responses. Tell me, do you have a blog with more of this humor of yours? I’d be interested in reading it. Is it funny as these guys’?


  116. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    Primus, you are not that stupid.

    Comment by JPark

    Come on, even you aren’t that stupid.

    Comment by Jeannie See

    Appears to be the underlying theme of this thread…


  117. Mr. “I am Gonna Kill Em All, Laura” President Says:

    Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 26, 2007 @ 10:39 pm

    Nah, I don’t have my own blog… I wish I did, though.


  118. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    Is it funny as these guys’?

    Comment by Wayne A. Schneider

    Does it come w/ a codpiece, ya know, so it’ll be life-like?


  119. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    Loop-holes, not so much, and you know it.

    Comment by JPark — July 26, 2007

    What about the Sanity Clause?


  120. Egreggious Says:

    Nah, I don’t have my own blog… I wish I did, though.

    Comment by Mr. “I am Gonna Kill Em All, Laura” President — July 26, 2007 @ 10:41 pm

    You should start one. It’s easy and free. And you’d spend less time here.


  121. Tom3 Says:

    Impeachment is the solution.


  122. JG Says:

    This Administration is milking the American public for EVERY STINKING DOLLAR they can make off this continual ‘TERROR THREAT’ they keep pounding into us, and their keeping the American public AFRAID and off kilter with their constant reminders and false warnings to BE AFRAID.
    http://www.crooksandliars.com/ 2007/ 06/ 04/ olbermann-the-nexus-of-politics-and-terror-2/
    In the meantime, they haven’t done a damn thing to make this country safer (for all their blustering - God forbid any dollars would be diverted from the WAR!). Hello, the proof is in the pudding. In fact, they have done MANY things to make us LESS SAFE! They have milked the treasury of all the taxpayers’ money (now working their way to a TRILLION dollars) for this war on the PREMISE of fighting terror, a nameless, faceless, borderless enemy (but basically for control of the oil and for the purpose of empire building).

    I am SICK of this! And, I am done for tonight.


  123. Zehava Says:

    Comment by JG — July 26, 2007 @ 10:33 pm

    Kick ass, JG.


  124. Egreggious Says:

    Impeachment is the solution.

    Comment by Tom3 — July 26, 2007 @ 10:45 pm

    I think a blog would do it.


  125. GoTFreedumb Says:

    # 116
    O(H GOD Wayne A. Schneider —:( DID YOU REALLY HAVE TO SEND PEOLE TO THAT GROSSED OUT SITE?PALEASE!IMAO!
    EXCUSE ME, I MUST GO PUKE! BARF!


  126. Wayne A. Schneider Says:

    Comment by Egreggious — July 26, 2007 @ 10:39 pm

    I seriously believe that we need to have a constitutional convention, and i would love to be able to find a way to have real average citizens make real suggestions. take in all of them. Show the world how a true Democracy works.

    But that’s beside the point. The concept of Executive Privilege appears nowhere inthe constitution, despite the fact that past SCOTUS decisions have acknowledged some “necessity” for it. Their reasoning is flawed in that they ignore the fact that advice given to the president ought to be in the public interest and, if not truly dealing with national security, available to the public to scrutinize. If it can’t withstand public scutiny, then it is probably not in the public’s interest. And, this is the most important point that seems to be overlooked, amazingly enough, they are public servants, and they are supposed to be working in our interests AT ALL TIMES!

    Somewhere along the line these a-holes actually got the idea that they are allowed to use out money, and the power we gave them, to enrich themselves and their friends. I’m not naive, it’s been going on since man has had governments. And there used to be reasons for that related to the cultures and times involved. But for a nation founded upon the principles of which this one was?


  127. Egreggious Says:

    Take care, JG.


  128. Zehava Says:

    Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 26, 2007 @ 10:39 pm

    He’s a troll, Wayne, plain and simple. Your discussion with him the other night was an aberration. You should have seen him the last couple of days — this is nothing.


  129. Wayne A. Schneider Says:

    Comment by GoTFreedumb — July 26, 2007 @ 10:46 pm

    It’s a parody site. They aren’t serious. They are absolutely ridiculous. Sorry, I should have forewarned you. My bad. :(


  130. bilbobaggins Says:

    “The notes will likely provide further evidence that Alberto Gonzales misled Congress when he said those 2004 discussions were about “other intelligence activities.”

    I am so sick and tired of people saying that someone “mislead” or “misspoke” when in actuality what they did was lie. Is there something wrong with the word lie? Why don’t they just call a spade a spade?



  131. Wayne A. Schneider Says:

    What about the Sanity Clause?

    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 26, 2007 @ 10:43 pm

    These guys are from Texas?

    Taxes? I got an uncle who live down in Taxes.

    No, I’m talking about dollars.

    Dollars? Dollars, Taxes. That’s where my uncle live!

    Gotta love those Marx Brothers. :)


  132. Mr. President Says:

    Show the world how a true Democracy works.

    Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 26, 2007 @ 10:46 pm

    The USA is a Republic, a representative democracy.


  133. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    (but basically for control of the oil and for the purpose of empire building).

    I am SICK of this! And, I am done for tonight.

    Comment by JG

    Umpire building??? WTF??? First it was OBL, and now MLB is the enemy?

    Oh… it says, EMPIRE building… sorry, my bad…


  134. Zehava Says:

    Why don’t they just call a spade a spade?
    Comment by bilbobaggins — July 26, 2007 @ 10:48 pm

    Because it’s inflammatory, and it’s traditional that Congress people be polite — even if it’s useless.


  135. John Says:

    JG,

    Thursday, July 26th, 2007

    “Probe: Bechtel Fails on Majority of Iraq Projects
    U.S. investigators have found the engineering giant Bechtel National failed on more than half of projects assigned under its one point eight billion dollar contract in Iraq. The failed efforts include a sewage treatment facility, an electrical plant and a massive landfill. Bechtel was one of the first U.S. companies to benefit from the post-invasion contracting boom in Iraq. The Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction says state department officials assigned just two staffers to oversee Bechtel’s work.”


  136. GoTFreedumb Says:

    It’s a parody site. They aren’t serious. They are absolutely ridiculous. Sorry, I should have forewarned you. My bad. :(

    Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 26, 2007 @ 10:48 pm
    I , M Sti(ROFL,BARF))ll Nuasiated!
    Apoligy Accepted. but, please be more carefull. thanks.


  137. JPark Says:

    Bite me JG and good night, you fascist piglet.


  138. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    Was Pat Tillman fragged?

    Comment by Egreggious

    That’s actually a very good question, and it only makes you wonder even more when Bush feels compelled to bottle up the investigation the way he did.


  139. Egreggious Says:

    Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 26, 2007 @ 10:46 pm

    I did not mean to suggest that the Constitution actually addressed Executive Privilege, but that it would be nice if it actually did, so that the limits on it were clearly defined.


  140. tarazan Says:

    #99- M.President: you said
    [Well, sometimes the Consitution isn’t adequate when fighting an enemy that knows no honor]
    ————————————-
    1. Who decides that the Constitution isn’t adequate?

    2. Constitution can be amended,and in the past, Articles has been amended when approved by the States assemblies,and the US Congress.

    3. Anything other than that, is a violation of the law to disregard the law or anyone create his own law.

    4.Nobody can create his own amendments because he thinks articles are ‘not adequate’.
    5. You gave justification that ‘we are fighting enemy that knows no honor’.

    US Constitution is the corner stone of American existence,and the supreme law.
    It is an internal matter.
    Any changes must be approved by the majority of the people.


  141. bilbobaggins Says:

    “So now Gonzales “misled” Congress.
    Please.
    GIVE IT UP, LEFTIES!!!
    Comment by Mr. President”

    You are 100% correct Mr. President. Gonzales didn’t “mislead” Congress. He flat out lied to Congress. And with his lie, he committed perjury.

    Perjury is a serious crime and in punishable by up to 5 years in prison.

    God wouldn’t I just love to see Gonzo go to prison for 5 years. You think his voice is high now. Just think how high it would be when he got out.


  142. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    Comment by Wayne A. Schneider

    Geez, it sure took ya long enough to run w/ it. Why do I give you guys the openings I do?


  143. Wayne A. Schneider Says:

    Comment by Zehava — July 26, 2007 @ 10:47 pm

    I know who he is. I was hoping that in the few minutes I have before Jon Stewart starts here in the East, that I could bring him back to some semblance of “normalcy”, as he seems willing to be with me. I’ve been working late and not had much time to post lately, so I haven’t been around to “rein him in”. I still see the potential in him to turn to the side of goodness and light and turn his wit against the truly ignorant, moronic trolls that come here. He’s just having fun with you guys being cleverly obtuse. When the real acerebralists show up, he’ll expand their stupidy and ridicule it the way Colbert does with O’Reilly, but pretending to attack us.


  144. Zehava Says:

    Bite me JG and good night, you fascist piglet.
    Comment by JPark — July 26, 2007 @ 10:52 pm

    This better be a name hijacking, JPark, or you’re gonna have a problem with me.


  145. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    The USA is a Republic, a representative democracy.

    Comment by Mr. President

    What??? Did someone just call for a Republic???


  146. Zehava Says:

    He’s just having fun with you guys being cleverly obtuse. When the real acerebralists show up, he’ll expand their stupidy and ridicule it the way Colbert does with O’Reilly, but pretending to attack us.
    Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 26, 2007 @ 10:55 pm

    I’ve been down this path with him, Wayne. I know what he is.

    Check your facebook!


  147. JPark Says:

    Eggy, the Constitution DOES address executive priveledge by specifying the responsibilities of each branch. The executive does NOT WRITE LAW.


  148. Mr. President Says:

    National Security.

    and with that…

    screw you guys, I’m gonna go watch the Daily Show.


  149. Wayne A. Schneider Says:

    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 26, 2007 @ 10:54 pm

    I just got here! And now I have to get my yucks with The Daily Show, where you really shouldn’t probably be getting your news. But if you do, you;re better informed about the lies of the bush Administration than almost any regular Fox Nuts Channel viewer!

    Gotta run, it;s astarting!


  150. JPark Says:

    Zehava, it is not a namejacking. From the other thread, JG is a John Bircher. That is not good.


  151. Egreggious Says:

    This better be a name hijacking, JPark, or you’re gonna have a problem with me.

    Comment by Zehava — July 26, 2007 @ 10:55 pm

    I was hoping it was satire.


  152. Zehava Says:

    Zehava, it is not a namejacking. From the other thread, JG is a John Bircher. That is not good.
    Comment by JPark — July 26, 2007 @ 10:58 pm

    I don’t know if she’s a John Bircher, but she is not a fascist piglet. Read her stuff.


  153. Egreggious Says:

    Later, Trashy.


  154. Egreggious Says:

    Oh, and Wayne too.


  155. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    The executive does NOT WRITE LAW.

    Comment by JPark

    Apparently it doesn’t READ LAW either.

    And I’m comfortable sayin’ they’re no good at ‘RITHMATIC either…


  156. JG Says:

    The executive does NOT WRITE LAW.

    HELLOOOOO… Signing statements??? Try over 1,000 times trying to rewrite laws!! What do you think that is?
    http://www.crooksandliars.com/ 2007/ 06/ 20/ countdown-federal-officials-rebelling-against-bush-signing-statements/

    Oaky, I really am gone now.


  157. JPark Says:

    Awww, crap, it wasn’t JG, it was GC. My apologies, JG and everybody else!!!


  158. Mr Presidense Says:

    Mr Presidense, give it up. You have lost all credibility and never supply anything to back up your posts. Therefore you will continue to stand in the northeast corner spinning uselessly. Please make some pertinent posts that are not of the left/right blame game variety. Please, just try not to be a dittohead whos only goal is to create arguments modeled after the talking heads.

    Thanks for thinking outside the box.


  159. JG Says:

    I am NOT a John Bircher. I am just a mom with a temper.


  160. JG Says:

    Oh, and someone who LOVES my country and doesn’t want it to go away..


  161. Egreggious Says:

    Awww, crap, it wasn’t JG, it was GC. My apologies, JG and everybody else!!!

    Comment by JPark — July 26, 2007 @ 11:03 pm

    I hope JG caught that.

    I did the same thing earlier today, but a troll was my victim so I didn’t feel bad about it at all.


  162. JPark Says:

    JG, I am very sorry. It was a case of mistaken identity (in other words I was a moron).


  163. Zehava Says:

    Awww, crap, it wasn’t JG, it was GC. My apologies, JG and everybody else!!!
    Comment by JPark — July 26, 2007 @ 11:03 pm

    If JG saw this, you will escape the wrath of Zooey.


  164. JPark Says:

    It is so much nicer when you insult a troll accidentally, Eggy.


  165. JG Says:

    I saw it. Now off to play games with one of the kiddos..


  166. JG Says:

    No problems mate.


  167. Joefriday Says:

    Were the $uck is zep tepi when you need him?


  168. Zehava Says:

    Have a great evening, JG. :)


  169. Egreggious Says:

    If JG saw this, you will escape the wrath of Zooey.

    Comment by Zehava — July 26, 2007 @ 11:06 pm

    Zooey who?


  170. JPark Says:

    LOL, JG saw it. I am safe from the Zoomaster. Oy vey.


  171. JPark Says:

    Zooey Zehava goyim so and so.


  172. Egreggious Says:

    Mr. Pee makes my head hurt.

    He is so askeerrrrd of the “Moslems” that he is ready to throw the Constitution out the window.

    It’s hard for me to wrap my mind around that.


  173. Zehava Says:

    Zooey who?
    Comment by Egreggious — July 26, 2007 @ 11:07 pm

    You know, that crazy libtroll.


  174. JPark Says:

    Eggy, Christians love to tell us what a majority they are…and they are pu$$ies when it comes to Muslims. Scared as kittens. Cute.


  175. JPark Says:

    I forget the name of the crazy Zoo alias!! She was funny. Started with a Z I think.


  176. Zehava Says:

    He is so askeerrrrd of the “Moslems” that he is ready to throw the Constitution out the window.
    It’s hard for me to wrap my mind around that.
    Comment by Egreggious

    It’s the trolls’ fearful attitude that is the terrorists’ goal. Their fear validates the terrorists actions, in a really sick way.


  177. JPark Says:

    Nope, Yenta, great woman :)


  178. Egreggious Says:

    Eggy, Christians love to tell us what a majority they are…and they are pu$$ies when it comes to Muslims. Scared as kittens. Cute.

    Comment by JPark — July 26, 2007 @ 11:14 pm

    911 was a horrendous event. And vengeance is a powerful “emotion”. Even when it is misdirected.


  179. Joefriday Says:

    (m12=my IQ=12 ) breaking news! Approval ratings; Congress=37% and Bush=23%. Bush now has lowest approval rating of any president ever in history. Faux ? news reports only morons now support him. People having sex with their siblings were not counted in the poll or brother- sister( you know what).


  180. Zehava Says:

    Nope, Yenta, great woman :)
    Comment by JPark

    Ahhh, Yenta. Nearly as whacked as her creator. I should ring up the old dahlink.


  181. Zehava Says:

    Nope, Yenta, great woman :)
    Comment by JPark

    If I recall correctly, Yenta had you going once upon a time. :D


  182. Egreggious Says:

    It’s the trolls’ fearful attitude that is the terrorists’ goal. Their fear validates the terrorists actions, in a really sick way.

    Comment by Zehava — July 26, 2007 @ 11:15 pm

    If the terrorists want our country to be undermined, the best way to do so is for us to abandon our covenant with the Constitution. This country will crumble if we do so.


  183. JPark Says:

    Sure it was, Eggy. It does not let them off the hook for being thoughtless violent beings rather than thinking human beings.


  184. JPark Says:

    Yeah, Yenta came as a surprise to me :)


  185. Zehava Says:

    911 was a horrendous event. And vengeance is a powerful “emotion”. Even when it is misdirected.
    Comment by Egreggious

    It’s not vengeance, not primarily, it’s fear. Much more dangerous.


  186. Wayne Says:

    Yes, I am back, for at least this post.
    This was too important to not post this breaking news.

    Looks like Pat Tillman was murdered, and it was covered up

    Army medical examiners were suspicious about the close proximity of the three bullet holes in Pat Tillman’s forehead and tried without success to get authorities to investigate whether the former NFL player’s death amounted to a crime, according to documents obtained by The Associated Press.

    “The medical evidence did not match up with the, with the scenario as described,” a doctor who examined Tillman’s body after he was killed on the battlefield in Afghanistan in 2004 told investigators.

    The doctors - whose names were blacked out - said that the bullet holes were so close together that it appeared the Army Ranger was cut down by an M-16 fired from a mere 10 yards or so away.

    http://www.forbes.com/ feeds/ ap/ 2007/ 07/ 26/ ap3958728.html

    They murdered a fellow Ranger and I am pissed off as hell.


  187. Egreggious Says:

    Comment by Joefriday — July 26, 2007 @ 11:16 pm

    Is this a real poll?


  188. Zehava Says:

    If the terrorists want our country to be undermined, the best way to do so is for us to abandon our covenant with the Constitution. This country will crumble if we do so.
    Comment by Egreggious

    Yes, we destroy ourselves from within — the terrorists win not only the battle, but the war.

    Oy, 90 degrees, cool enough to make a little dinner….back in a bit.


  189. JPark Says:

    It is amazing that they don’t realize they are following Darwin’s theory to letter.


  190. Egreggious Says:

    Comment by Wayne — July 26, 2007 @ 11:20 pm

    America will not stand for this!


  191. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    They murdered a fellow Ranger and I am pissed off as hell.

    Comment by Wayne

    Hey Wayne. Wondering what had become of you.


  192. Egreggious Says:

    War is hell.

    Sheer hell.


  193. Mr. President Says:

    It’s not vengeance, not primarily, it’s fear. Much more dangerous.

    Comment by Zehava — July 26, 2007 @ 11:19 pm
    ———————————————————————
    What are talking about?

    Fear is an instinctive life preserver for all animals!!!!!


  194. Tom3 Says:

    Nice try, Repuke troll.

    Trying to hijack “troll”.

    Lame atttempt by another dimwitted Repuke troll.


  195. Wayne Says:

    Hey Wayne. Wondering what had become of you.

    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity

    I was boycotting TP for banning some regular posters and not trolls like sh*thead Mr.Pee heh


  196. JPark Says:

    Mr. President, you forget, we have no connection to animals according to the right.


  197. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    I was boycotting TP for banning some regular posters and not trolls like sh*thead Mr.Pee heh

    Comment by Wayne

    I can understand that. Some trolls are so frickin’ loathesome it defies description, but some nights, like last, we manage to run ‘em outta here!

    As far as TP goes, uh, not sure what to say. It was rather strange here for a while. Still gets taht way from time to time. I’m an ornery cuss. I refuse to give into trolls.


  198. a in pa Says:

    ahhhhhhhhhHHHH!!


  199. Zehava Says:

    They murdered a fellow Ranger and I am pissed off as hell.
    Comment by Wayne — July 26, 2007 @ 11:20 pm

    OMG Wayne, I hadn’t heard about this. This is devastating.


  200. Zehava Says:

    What are talking about?
    Fear is an instinctive life preserver for all animals!!!!!
    Comment by Mr. President

    Stop being such a simpleton.