Conyers seeks copies of Mueller’s notes.
During the House Judiciary Committee’s hearing with FBI Director Robert Mueller today, Rep. Arthur Davis (D-AL) asked Mueller whether he retained notes of his March 2004 conversation with Ashcroft in the hospital. Mueller said he did take notes because the events were so “out of the ordinary.” Chairman John Conyers wrote to Mueller after the hearing requesting access to those notes. “I write now to formalize that request, and ask that you provide the Committee with copies of the notes to which you referred in your testimony,” Conyers said. The notes will likely provide further evidence that Alberto Gonzales misled Congress when he said those 2004 discussions were about “other intelligence activities.”
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Better get those notes before Cheney gets his shotgun out!!!
July 26th, 2007 at 9:21 pmThe focus sharpens….
July 26th, 2007 at 9:22 pmOoooo… this could be vewy, vewy interestin’!
July 26th, 2007 at 9:22 pmDoes it feel like finally this is a little crack in the dike and the water is dripping a little harder??
July 26th, 2007 at 9:26 pmGeez, I am afraid to start getting my hopes up..
July 26th, 2007 at 9:27 pmDid any of you see Snow-job interviewed on Matthews show tonight? Ol’ Tony was spinning faster than a dreidel during Hanukkah!! Made me DIZZEEE!!!
July 26th, 2007 at 9:28 pmI’m sure that Bush will declare that his notes are covered under “Executive Privilege” - which would of course then implicate Bush as having directed these guys to go to Ashcroft’s bedside.
Rock, meet hard place.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:29 pmJG,.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:29 pmNo, We lost along time ago.
this will not have any affect as to the damage allread did and done.
there is no hope for freedumb.
#
Geez, I am afraid to start getting my hopes up..
Comment by JG — July 26, 2007 @ 9:27 pm
July 26th, 2007 at 9:32 pmI gave up along time ago. I,ve learned to accept the truth.
freedom IS freedumb.
God never gave us freedom.
freedom is NOT free.
Does it feel like finally this is a little crack in the dike and the water is dripping a little harder??
Comment by JG — July 26, 2007 @ 9:26 pm
Yes. There is ALWAYS hope.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:33 pmEvery time the truth gains a little traction against this criminal administration, they conveniently slither away unscathed. My guess is that the “enforcers” (Rove and Dick, et al.) make a few phone calls to the party that strayed out of line and whammo, retractions, backpedaling, media complicity in changing the complexion of the story.
If Rove or Cheney can be removed from power, the game is over.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:34 pmI’m glad to see someone with the nads to continue. And someone was actually a professional at there job (Mueller).
July 26th, 2007 at 9:34 pmBush thinks Executive Privilege is a Get Out of Jail Card.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:39 pmJust a small correction - it’s Artur Davis, not Arthur.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:39 pmSorry, guys, I’m still smelling another “Executive Privilage” coming around the bend.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:41 pmBedtime for Gonzo
July 26th, 2007 at 9:41 pmOff topic here but…
If you tell a troll to fu(k off on TP, do they ban you? I thought I was only doing the right thing! There may have been a real c in there by the way…
July 26th, 2007 at 9:43 pmace, if memory serves me correctly, he did say that he went there “on behalf of the president”.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:45 pm#10
Yes. There is ALWAYS hope.
Comment by Zehava — July 26, 2007 @ 9:33 pm
July 26th, 2007 at 9:45 pmPROVE IT! MAKE THE RICH FEEL SORRY FOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE!
Yes. There is ALWAYS hope.
Comment by Zehava — July 26, 2007 @ 9:33 pm
July 26th, 2007 at 9:46 pmPROVE IT!
Yes. There is ALWAYS hope.
Comment by Zehava — July 26, 2007 @ 9:33 pm
July 26th, 2007 at 9:46 pmPROVE IT!!
Man, the trolls are really coming unglued aren’t they?
July 26th, 2007 at 9:47 pmIf you tell a troll to fu(k off on TP, do they ban you? I thought I was only doing the right thing! There may have been a real c in there by the way…
Comment by Pat — July 26, 2007 @ 9:43 pm
They probably wouldn’t ban you, but your comment will get deleted. I have lots of experience with that.
That filter is set so high, that I put up a comment where I only wanted to tell someone to f*ck off, and it was deleted. That’s not fair.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:47 pmYeah right.
So now Gonzales “misled” Congress.
Please.
GIVE IT UP, LEFTIES!!!
July 26th, 2007 at 9:47 pmYes. There is ALWAYS hope.
Comment by Zehava — July 26, 2007 @ 9:33 pm
July 26th, 2007 at 9:48 pmPROVE THERE IS SO CALLED HOPE! because, i don,t believe it!
WHERE ARE YOUR FACTS ?
Comment by Zehava — July 26, 2007 @ 9:33 pm
PROVE IT! MAKE THE RICH FEEL SORRY FOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE!
Comment by GoTFreedumb
I think the last person to make a rich man feel sorry was Bob Cratchett in Tiny Tim.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:48 pm“Now, where did I put those notes again…..”
If you tell a troll to fu(k off on TP, do they ban you? I thought I was only doing the right thing! There may have been a real c in there by the way…
Comment by Pat — July 26, 2007 @ 9:43 pm
You only earn our undying admiration.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:48 pmPROVE IT!!
Comment by GoTFreedumb — July 26, 2007 @ 9:46 pm
Prove there is no hope.
And stop spamming this thread, you’re acting like a troll.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:49 pmSo, wouldn’t a statement like “on behalf of the president” mean that it was at the president’s request?
July 26th, 2007 at 9:49 pm#15 Jeannie See,
I agree. I also believe the repugs are just throwing shit out there to frustrate the dems. KKKRove and group know the only way to have ANY possiblity in 2008 is to make the dems appear non effective. So far, it’s working.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:49 pmHeh.
Ooooo… this could be vewy, vewy interestin’!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 26, 2007 @ 9:22 pm
This is why you are next in line for the Daily Show.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:51 pmSo, wouldn’t a statement like “on behalf of the president†mean that it was at the president’s request?
Comment by Jeannie See — July 26, 2007 @ 9:49 pm
That could prove awkward. :D
My thoughts on Executive Privilege are that the more Bush invokes it, the more attention he draws from the sheeple. His commutation of Libby’s sentence may prove to his Bush’s “Saturday Night Massacre.”
July 26th, 2007 at 9:51 pmI actually do have some hope. How does Bush call his own FBI director a liar..?
July 26th, 2007 at 9:52 pmI work for a construction company however, i run books for 14 different companies. Whenever I have to conduct business for one of those companies (outside of the construction company) I always have to say, “I calling on the behalf of…..” which means that I am conducting business for which ever company I am call on the behalf of.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:53 pmGIVE IT UP, LEFTIES!!!
Comment by Mr. President — July 26, 2007 @ 9:47 pm
July 26th, 2007 at 9:54 pmMr Pres,
YOU ARE PROBABLY RIGHT.
BUT, I CAN GUARANTEE YOU, YOU WILL GO DOWN TOO!!!
All of this coming to a head just in time for….
Congressional recess.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:54 pm33 JG,
It seems the WH is welcoming the fight with the congress. They believe they can tie things up and blame it on the dems. I wouldn’t put anything past KKKRove.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:56 pmBUT, I CAN GUARANTEE YOU, YOU WILL GO DOWN TOO!!!
Comment by GoTFreedumb — July 26, 2007 @ 9:54 pm
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Guarantee?
The best you can do is hope!
July 26th, 2007 at 9:56 pmDidn’t I read somewhwere that the Deoms were going to have people there in their offices off and on throughout the recess to make sure Bush didn’t try to slip through a recess appointment??) I know I read it somewhere..)
July 26th, 2007 at 9:57 pmAll of this coming to a head just in time for….
Congressional recess.
Comment by Egreggious
A sticking point, I agree. But not insurmountable.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:57 pmComment by JG — July 26, 2007 @ 9:57 pm
I’ve only read that here.
But we can HOPE!
July 26th, 2007 at 9:58 pmDidn’t I read somewhwere that the Deoms were going to have people there in their offices off and on throughout the recess to make sure Bush didn’t try to slip through a recess appointment??) I know I read it somewhere..)
Comment by JG — July 26, 2007 @ 9:57 pm
I remember something about that. Harry Reid was going to try to prevent recess appointments.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:58 pmIt would actually be funny if Congress didn’t go on recess.
While the Iraqi Parliament was on vacation.
And Bush was clearing brush.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:59 pmJuly 26th, 2007 at 10:00 pm
Hope and sh!t both float.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:01 pmMaybe we could just impeach Bush and CHeney WHILE they were on vacation.. Sort of like a RECESS IMPEACHMENT!! What d’ya think??
July 26th, 2007 at 10:02 pm#44 was intended for Mr P
July 26th, 2007 at 10:02 pmJG,
Good one. Yeah, recess impeachment!
July 26th, 2007 at 10:03 pm#44 was intended for Mr P
Comment by GoTFreedumb — July 26, 2007 @ 10:02 pm
It’s OK. I didn’t get any #44 on me.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:03 pmGoTFreedumb
The return of the banned ‘freedumb is not free’?
July 26th, 2007 at 10:04 pmHope and sh!t both float.
Comment by ForTruth
Thanks.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:05 pmI CAN GUARANTEE YOU, YOU WILL GO DOWN TOO!!!
MARK MY WORDS FREEDUMB LOVER!!!
Comment by GoTFreedumb — July 26, 2007 @ 10:00 pm
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Oh, I see…
It’s either hopelessness or apodeicticity with you libs.
Well, sorry, but the real world isn’t strictly black or white, there are shades of gray!
July 26th, 2007 at 10:05 pmCongress could just change the dates of recess at the last minute, and not tell Bush.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:05 pmMaybe we could just impeach Bush and CHeney WHILE they were on vacation.. Sort of like a RECESS IMPEACHMENT!! What d’ya think??
Comment by JG — July 26, 2007 @ 10:02 pm
I could go for that!
July 26th, 2007 at 10:06 pmGUARANTEED!
July 26th, 2007 at 10:07 pmI GAVE UP THE FIRST TIME BUSH STOLE THE ELECTIONS!
OR RATHER THE REPUBS STOLE THE ELECTIONS!
LIKE I SAID!
I CAN GUARANTEE YOU, YOU FREEDUMB LOVERS WILL GO DOWN TOO!!!
MARK MY WORDS FREEDUMB LOVERS!!!
GOD WILL ALLOW US TO DESTROY OURSELVES.
AS THE OLD SAYING GOES:
GIVE THEM ENOUGH ROPE, THEY WILL HANG THEMSELVES!
It’s either hopelessness or apodeicticity with you libs.
Comment by Mr. President — July 26, 2007 @ 10:05 pm
All right. I got to look that one up, Trashy Machos.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:07 pmWell, sorry, but the real world isn’t strictly black or white, there are shades of gray!
Comment by Mr. President
Coming from you, that means absolutely nothing.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:07 pmComing from you, that means absolutely nothing.
Comment by Zehava
Or even less!
July 26th, 2007 at 10:08 pmNotes taken at the hospital meeting = Stain on blue dress
July 26th, 2007 at 10:08 pm“So now Gonzales “misled†Congress.
Please.
GIVE IT UP, LEFTIES!!!”
You are right. The word is lied. The torture loving son of a b!tch flat out lied to Congress. Are you proud of that?
July 26th, 2007 at 10:08 pmColor me confused, but why is everone so upset with the Iragi Parliament taking a vacation when our own government takes vacations?
July 26th, 2007 at 10:08 pmOr even less!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 26, 2007 @ 10:08 pm
Pow!
July 26th, 2007 at 10:09 pmComment by GoTFreedumb — July 26, 2007 @ 10:07 pm
R U “freedomrings”?
July 26th, 2007 at 10:09 pmBy the way, Primus, how much gray is involved in torture? And you KNOW the 24 scenario is bullsh!t.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:09 pmWell, sorry, but the real world isn’t strictly black or white, there are shades of gray!
Comment by Mr. President — July 26, 2007 @ 10:05 pm
July 26th, 2007 at 10:09 pmWELL ,SORRY, BUT THE REAL WORLD DOESN’T BELONG TO YOU OR ME OR US!
JPark,
No.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:10 pmColor me confused, but why is everone so upset with the Iragi Parliament taking a vacation when our own government takes vacations?
Comment by Jeannie See — July 26, 2007 @ 10:08 pm
Part of the stated purpose of the “surge” was to buy the Iraqi government time to make progress on various issues. So, while our kids are dying, the Iraqi Parliament has decided it’s a little too warm to conduct business right now.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:11 pmAlright Mr. President, that word you used was wayyy too big. Kinda bombastic of ya’.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:11 pmIt’s either hopelessness or apodeicticity with you libs.
Comment by Mr. President
Mr P found another way to say “black or white.”
Here’s a cookie.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:11 pmBy the way, Primus, how much gray is involved in torture? And you KNOW the 24 scenario is bullsh!t.
Comment by JPark — July 26, 2007 @ 10:09 pm
July 26th, 2007 at 10:12 pm———————————————————–
I don’t recall.
Color me confused, but why is everone so upset with the Iragi Parliament taking a vacation when our own government takes vacations?
Comment by Jeannie See
Because American soldiers will still be fighting and dying in 130 degree heat while the Iraqi and, yes, American legislatures, are vacationeering.
Trust me, folks around here are plenty annoyed at our own government over this BS.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:12 pmThen what is the deal, Primus? I know you like pulling legs and BSing. What do you really think? Should Gonzo be in jail?
July 26th, 2007 at 10:12 pmAlright Mr. President, that word you used was wayyy too big. Kinda bombastic of ya’.
Comment by ForTruth — July 26, 2007 @ 10:11 pm
July 26th, 2007 at 10:14 pm————————————————-
Sorry, it just popped into my head.
Color me confused, but why is everone so upset with the Iragi Parliament taking a vacation when our own government takes vacations?
Comment by Jeannie See — July 26, 2007 @ 10:08 pm
*everone” s/b everyone, sorry.
Hey, where has Wayne and Jane been lately?
July 26th, 2007 at 10:14 pmI gave up along time ago. I,ve learned to accept the truth.
freedom IS freedumb.
God never gave us freedom.
freedom is NOT free.
Comment by GoTFreedumb
Freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose….
July 26th, 2007 at 10:15 pmI think Wayne was here this morning.
I believe they have lives.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:15 pmIt’s either hopelessness or apodeicticity with you libs.
Comment by Mr. President
…the property of apodeicticity (of universal, necessary and inevitable validity) inseparably attached to it…
Me’thinks the pot is calling the kettle black, AGAIN…
July 26th, 2007 at 10:17 pm(Sorry for being off-topic..)
Speaking of our soldiers, did anyone read this today:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/ 2007/ 07/ 26/ army-billing-vets-for-damaged-equipment/
Then read this:
http://www.uslaboragainstwar.org/article.php?id=13594
Including this:
“Another young Halliburton worker named James Logsdon told me about the burn pits. Burn pits are large dumps near military stations where they would burn equipment, trucks, trash, etc. If they ordered the wrong item, they’d throw it in the burn pit. If a tire blew on a piece of equipment, they’d throw the whole thing into the burn pit. They burn pits had so much equipment, they even gave them a nickname — “Home Depot.”
The trucker said he would get us some photos. And I naively asked, how big are they, the size of a backyard swimming pool? He laughed, and referred to one that he had seen that was 15 football fields large, and burned around the clock! It infuriated him to have to burn stuff rather then give it to the Iraqis or to the military. Yet Halliburton was being rewarded each time they billed the government for a new truck or new piece of equipment. With a cost- plus contract, the contractors receive a percentage of the money they spend. As Shane told me, “It’s a legal way of stealing from the government or the taxpayers’ money.”"
This has me really pissed.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:18 pmI believe they have lives.
Comment by Egreggious — July 26, 2007 @ 10:15 pm
What? What is this thing you speak of…..lives?
July 26th, 2007 at 10:19 pmWhat do you really think? Should Gonzo be in jail?
Comment by JPark — July 26, 2007 @ 10:12 pm
July 26th, 2007 at 10:19 pm————————————–
I think that he should never have been in the situation in the first place. With all of the (possibly needless) secrecy in the Bush Adm. Gonzales did not seem to know what he should or should not say, due to the interests of national security and on-going programs.
This has me really pissed.
Comment by JG — July 26, 2007 @ 10:18 pm
Wow, JG. It just keeps getting worse, doesn’t it?
July 26th, 2007 at 10:21 pmNo, MP, he threw himself into the dialogue in the first place. He and Yoo were the big legal pushers of the very illegal acts of the administration before he was AG. Why do you think he got the job???
July 26th, 2007 at 10:22 pmComment by Mr. President — July 26, 2007 @ 10:19 pm
Much better than HeyoooOOoOOOoooOOooo in my opinion.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:22 pmWhy do you think he got the job???
Comment by JPark — July 26, 2007 @ 10:22 pm
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Merit?
July 26th, 2007 at 10:23 pmComment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 26, 2007 @ 10:12 pm
Maybe I’m wrong in my sentiment, I just feel that old saying, “what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.” If we are going to get into an uproar about their govenment taking a vacation because people are fighting and dying, then why in the hell is our government taking a vacation?
At this moment in time, we don’t need our government taking a vacation wither.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:24 pmComment by Mr. President — July 26, 2007 @ 10:19 pm
July 26th, 2007 at 10:24 pmWhat are you talking about? Gonzales is a GREAT Consigliere. His Don, Pres. Bush, will take care of him and cover his backside.
His interest is not the office of Attorney GEneral or this country. His interest is voering for whatever Bush is doing. Period.
HEyOOOooOOO!!!
July 26th, 2007 at 10:24 pmGonzales did not seem to know what he should or should not say, due to the interests of national security and on-going programs
Comment by Mr. President
And alibis… don’t forget the alibis… “due to the interests of national security, on-going programs, and badly-needed alibis…”
July 26th, 2007 at 10:24 pmThat was a joke, right, Primus?
July 26th, 2007 at 10:25 pmthen why in the hell is our government taking a vacation?
At this moment in time, we don’t need our government taking a vacation wither.
Comment by Jeannie See
That exact sentiment has been voiced more than once here…
July 26th, 2007 at 10:26 pmPrimus, I am guessing Omerta, more likely. He certainly is no legal genius.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:26 pmComment by JG
But… but… national security… on-going programs…
July 26th, 2007 at 10:26 pmAahhh, spelling is starting to fall apart.. Try again..
What are you talking about? Gonzales is a GREAT Consigliere. His Don, the Pres. Bush, will take care of him and cover his backside.
His interest is not the office of Attorney General or this country. His interest is covering for whatever Bush is doing. Period.
(Better..)
July 26th, 2007 at 10:26 pmPrime, you know that those ongoing programs are unconstitutional, right?
July 26th, 2007 at 10:27 pmeither. sheese. finding nail clipper now.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:28 pmEverybody who pays attention knows Gonzalez was not appointed for his legal expertise. He was appointed for his loyalty.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:28 pmAt this moment in time, we don’t need our government taking a vacation wither.
Comment by Jeannie See — July 26, 2007 @ 10:24 pm
When you’re right, you’re right! There should be no breaks while the troops are dying.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:29 pmhttp://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/8971
Let’s impeach the entire GOP! This is a great article that suggests what must be done: sweep every Repuke out of office. They are supporting the criminal violation of our laws and our constitution.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:29 pmPrime, you know that those ongoing programs are unconstitutional, right?
Comment by JPark — July 26, 2007 @ 10:27 pm
July 26th, 2007 at 10:29 pm————————————————————
Well, sometimes the constitution isn’t adequate when fighting an enemy that knows no honor.
Well, sometimes the constitution isn’t adequate when fighting an enemy that knows no honor.
Comment by Mr. President — July 26, 2007 @ 10:29 pm
Bullshit. That’s when it’s most important.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:30 pmHe was appointed for his loyalty.
Comment by JPark — July 26, 2007 @ 10:28 pm
July 26th, 2007 at 10:31 pm————————–
Yeah, like I said… merit.
Well, sometimes the constitution isn’t adequate when fighting an enemy that knows no honor.
Comment by Mr. President — July 26, 2007 @ 10:29 pm
What are we supposed to do when the Constitution isn’t adequate?
July 26th, 2007 at 10:32 pm“Well, sometimes the constitution isn’t adequate when fighting an enemy that knows no honor”
You are joking, right? If not…Tom Jefferson and Tom Payne would be kicking your a$$ right now.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:32 pmWell, sometimes the constitution isn’t adequate when fighting an enemy that knows no honor.
Comment by Mr. President
Care to tell us which parts you think are “silly”???
July 26th, 2007 at 10:32 pmBush is running out of time to restore “dignity” back to the White House. I guess when you get advice from people like Rove, Cheney, Perle, and Wolfowitz dignity kind of takes a back seat–along with the truth.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:33 pmWell, sometimes the constitution isn’t adequate when fighting an enemy that knows no honor.
What about an Administration that knows no honor..??
You opened the door.
Here are my quotes from the FATHER of the Constitution - James Madison (he knew what he was talking about):
“The accumulation of all powers legislative, executive and judiciary in the same hands, whether of one, a few or many…may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny”
“No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.” - James Madison
“If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.” - James Madison
“The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home.” - James Madison
“We are right to take alarm at the first experiment upon our liberties.” - James Madison
July 26th, 2007 at 10:33 pmPrimus, you are not that stupid. Loyalty does not equal competence.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:33 pmWhy do you think he got the job???
Comment by JPark — July 26, 2007 @ 10:22 pm
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Merit?
Comment by Mr. President — July 26, 2007 @ 10:23 pm
But… but… national security… on-going programs…
Comment by Mr. President — July 26, 2007 @ 10:26 pm
I knew you had a sense of humor. :D
Of course the one and only reason that Alberto Gonzales is now this country’s Attorney General has absolutely nothing to do with “merit”, for there are very few meritorious about him, save perhaps his complete and utter devotion to protecting the man who made his “career”, but “loyalty”. Loyalty to one man, above all else, including the people, the country, the law, and the constitution. It really is that simple.
And the primary reason he is desperate to protect the existence of thos national security reason is because they are quite likely illegal and unconstitutional and, therefore, not subject to the protection of true national security interests. And if they were subject to thsi protection, they would also be subject to Congressional review, to make sure that the power was not being abused. I can;t tell you how many times I’ve heard a Republican say about these porgrams, “If you’ve done nothing wrong, you’ve got nothing to worry about.” Funny how it doesn;t work the other way around.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:34 pmWhat are we supposed to do when the Constitution isn’t adequate?
Comment by Egreggious — July 26, 2007 @ 10:32 pm
July 26th, 2007 at 10:34 pm——————————————————————-
Amend, revise, improve… work around it, find loop-holes, etc. etc.
Eggy, we are supposed to wipe our a$$es with it like George does.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:34 pmGonzales did not seem to know what he should or should not say, due to the interests of national security and on-going programs
Comment by Mr. President
Bullshit. He’s the friggin’ AG. The head of all law enforcement (supposedly). If he doesn’t know what he can or cannot say, then he has absolutely no business beinging in the position that he holds. Comeon, even you aren’t that stupid.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:35 pmThe President finally admits he feels the Constitution is inadequate. Let me guess a group of “Pioneers” want to change all that. Neocons anyone?
July 26th, 2007 at 10:36 pmWhat are we supposed to do when the Constitution isn’t adequate?
Comment by Egreggious
July 26th, 2007 at 10:37 pmSorry, . that was a sheep question..
mr p gave you the wrong answer.
The Right Answer is
GIVE IT(FREEDOM) UP! WE ARE LOSING!
CHINA WILL WIN!
“Amend, revise, improve… work around it, find loop-holes, etc. etc.”
Well, the first three work (there are provisions for that). Loop-holes, not so much, and you know it. Bush is a criminal.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:38 pmI think Mr. Pee has a valid point. There are times the Constitution “lets us down” (I would suggest that “Executive Privilege” might be an example of that). But I also feel that we stray from the Constitution at our peril. Where, if not there, do we draw the line? Where will Hillary draw the line?
July 26th, 2007 at 10:39 pmAmend, revise, improve… work around it, find loop-holes, etc. etc.
Comment by Mr. President — July 26, 2007 @ 10:34 pm
I see you’re having fun tweaking the folks here with your blatantly inane responses. Tell me, do you have a blog with more of this humor of yours? I’d be interested in reading it. Is it funny as these guys’?
July 26th, 2007 at 10:39 pmPrimus, you are not that stupid.
Comment by JPark
Come on, even you aren’t that stupid.
Comment by Jeannie See
Appears to be the underlying theme of this thread…
July 26th, 2007 at 10:40 pmComment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 26, 2007 @ 10:39 pm
Nah, I don’t have my own blog… I wish I did, though.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:41 pmIs it funny as these guys’?
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
Does it come w/ a codpiece, ya know, so it’ll be life-like?
July 26th, 2007 at 10:41 pmLoop-holes, not so much, and you know it.
Comment by JPark — July 26, 2007
What about the Sanity Clause?
July 26th, 2007 at 10:43 pmNah, I don’t have my own blog… I wish I did, though.
Comment by Mr. “I am Gonna Kill Em All, Laura†President — July 26, 2007 @ 10:41 pm
You should start one. It’s easy and free. And you’d spend less time here.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:44 pmImpeachment is the solution.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:45 pmThis Administration is milking the American public for EVERY STINKING DOLLAR they can make off this continual ‘TERROR THREAT’ they keep pounding into us, and their keeping the American public AFRAID and off kilter with their constant reminders and false warnings to BE AFRAID.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/ 2007/ 06/ 04/ olbermann-the-nexus-of-politics-and-terror-2/
In the meantime, they haven’t done a damn thing to make this country safer (for all their blustering - God forbid any dollars would be diverted from the WAR!). Hello, the proof is in the pudding. In fact, they have done MANY things to make us LESS SAFE! They have milked the treasury of all the taxpayers’ money (now working their way to a TRILLION dollars) for this war on the PREMISE of fighting terror, a nameless, faceless, borderless enemy (but basically for control of the oil and for the purpose of empire building).
I am SICK of this! And, I am done for tonight.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:45 pmComment by JG — July 26, 2007 @ 10:33 pm
Kick ass, JG.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:45 pmImpeachment is the solution.
Comment by Tom3 — July 26, 2007 @ 10:45 pm
I think a blog would do it.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:45 pm# 116
July 26th, 2007 at 10:46 pmO(H GOD Wayne A. Schneider —:( DID YOU REALLY HAVE TO SEND PEOLE TO THAT GROSSED OUT SITE?PALEASE!IMAO!
EXCUSE ME, I MUST GO PUKE! BARF!
Comment by Egreggious — July 26, 2007 @ 10:39 pm
I seriously believe that we need to have a constitutional convention, and i would love to be able to find a way to have real average citizens make real suggestions. take in all of them. Show the world how a true Democracy works.
But that’s beside the point. The concept of Executive Privilege appears nowhere inthe constitution, despite the fact that past SCOTUS decisions have acknowledged some “necessity” for it. Their reasoning is flawed in that they ignore the fact that advice given to the president ought to be in the public interest and, if not truly dealing with national security, available to the public to scrutinize. If it can’t withstand public scutiny, then it is probably not in the public’s interest. And, this is the most important point that seems to be overlooked, amazingly enough, they are public servants, and they are supposed to be working in our interests AT ALL TIMES!
Somewhere along the line these a-holes actually got the idea that they are allowed to use out money, and the power we gave them, to enrich themselves and their friends. I’m not naive, it’s been going on since man has had governments. And there used to be reasons for that related to the cultures and times involved. But for a nation founded upon the principles of which this one was?
July 26th, 2007 at 10:46 pmTake care, JG.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:46 pmComment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 26, 2007 @ 10:39 pm
He’s a troll, Wayne, plain and simple. Your discussion with him the other night was an aberration. You should have seen him the last couple of days — this is nothing.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:47 pmComment by GoTFreedumb — July 26, 2007 @ 10:46 pm
It’s a parody site. They aren’t serious. They are absolutely ridiculous. Sorry, I should have forewarned you. My bad. :(
July 26th, 2007 at 10:48 pm“The notes will likely provide further evidence that Alberto Gonzales misled Congress when he said those 2004 discussions were about “other intelligence activities.â€
I am so sick and tired of people saying that someone “mislead” or “misspoke” when in actuality what they did was lie. Is there something wrong with the word lie? Why don’t they just call a spade a spade?
July 26th, 2007 at 10:48 pmWas Pat Tillman fragged?
July 26th, 2007 at 10:49 pmWhat about the Sanity Clause?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 26, 2007 @ 10:43 pm
These guys are from Texas?
Taxes? I got an uncle who live down in Taxes.
No, I’m talking about dollars.
Dollars? Dollars, Taxes. That’s where my uncle live!
Gotta love those Marx Brothers. :)
July 26th, 2007 at 10:50 pmShow the world how a true Democracy works.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 26, 2007 @ 10:46 pm
The USA is a Republic, a representative democracy.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:50 pm(but basically for control of the oil and for the purpose of empire building).
I am SICK of this! And, I am done for tonight.
Comment by JG
Umpire building??? WTF??? First it was OBL, and now MLB is the enemy?
Oh… it says, EMPIRE building… sorry, my bad…
July 26th, 2007 at 10:51 pmWhy don’t they just call a spade a spade?
Comment by bilbobaggins — July 26, 2007 @ 10:48 pm
Because it’s inflammatory, and it’s traditional that Congress people be polite — even if it’s useless.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:51 pmJG,
Thursday, July 26th, 2007
“Probe: Bechtel Fails on Majority of Iraq Projects
July 26th, 2007 at 10:51 pmU.S. investigators have found the engineering giant Bechtel National failed on more than half of projects assigned under its one point eight billion dollar contract in Iraq. The failed efforts include a sewage treatment facility, an electrical plant and a massive landfill. Bechtel was one of the first U.S. companies to benefit from the post-invasion contracting boom in Iraq. The Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction says state department officials assigned just two staffers to oversee Bechtel’s work.”
It’s a parody site. They aren’t serious. They are absolutely ridiculous. Sorry, I should have forewarned you. My bad. :(
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 26, 2007 @ 10:48 pm
July 26th, 2007 at 10:51 pmI , M Sti(ROFL,BARF))ll Nuasiated!
Apoligy Accepted. but, please be more carefull. thanks.
Bite me JG and good night, you fascist piglet.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:52 pmWas Pat Tillman fragged?
Comment by Egreggious
That’s actually a very good question, and it only makes you wonder even more when Bush feels compelled to bottle up the investigation the way he did.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:52 pmComment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 26, 2007 @ 10:46 pm
I did not mean to suggest that the Constitution actually addressed Executive Privilege, but that it would be nice if it actually did, so that the limits on it were clearly defined.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:53 pm#99- M.President: you said
[Well, sometimes the Consitution isn’t adequate when fighting an enemy that knows no honor]
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1. Who decides that the Constitution isn’t adequate?
2. Constitution can be amended,and in the past, Articles has been amended when approved by the States assemblies,and the US Congress.
3. Anything other than that, is a violation of the law to disregard the law or anyone create his own law.
4.Nobody can create his own amendments because he thinks articles are ‘not adequate’.
5. You gave justification that ‘we are fighting enemy that knows no honor’.
US Constitution is the corner stone of American existence,and the supreme law.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:53 pmIt is an internal matter.
Any changes must be approved by the majority of the people.
“So now Gonzales “misled†Congress.
Please.
GIVE IT UP, LEFTIES!!!
Comment by Mr. President”
You are 100% correct Mr. President. Gonzales didn’t “mislead” Congress. He flat out lied to Congress. And with his lie, he committed perjury.
Perjury is a serious crime and in punishable by up to 5 years in prison.
God wouldn’t I just love to see Gonzo go to prison for 5 years. You think his voice is high now. Just think how high it would be when he got out.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:54 pmComment by Wayne A. Schneider
Geez, it sure took ya long enough to run w/ it. Why do I give you guys the openings I do?
July 26th, 2007 at 10:54 pmComment by Zehava — July 26, 2007 @ 10:47 pm
I know who he is. I was hoping that in the few minutes I have before Jon Stewart starts here in the East, that I could bring him back to some semblance of “normalcy”, as he seems willing to be with me. I’ve been working late and not had much time to post lately, so I haven’t been around to “rein him in”. I still see the potential in him to turn to the side of goodness and light and turn his wit against the truly ignorant, moronic trolls that come here. He’s just having fun with you guys being cleverly obtuse. When the real acerebralists show up, he’ll expand their stupidy and ridicule it the way Colbert does with O’Reilly, but pretending to attack us.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:55 pmBite me JG and good night, you fascist piglet.
Comment by JPark — July 26, 2007 @ 10:52 pm
This better be a name hijacking, JPark, or you’re gonna have a problem with me.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:55 pmThe USA is a Republic, a representative democracy.
Comment by Mr. President
What??? Did someone just call for a Republic???
July 26th, 2007 at 10:55 pmHe’s just having fun with you guys being cleverly obtuse. When the real acerebralists show up, he’ll expand their stupidy and ridicule it the way Colbert does with O’Reilly, but pretending to attack us.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 26, 2007 @ 10:55 pm
I’ve been down this path with him, Wayne. I know what he is.
Check your facebook!
July 26th, 2007 at 10:57 pmEggy, the Constitution DOES address executive priveledge by specifying the responsibilities of each branch. The executive does NOT WRITE LAW.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:57 pmNational Security.
and with that…
screw you guys, I’m gonna go watch the Daily Show.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:57 pmComment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 26, 2007 @ 10:54 pm
I just got here! And now I have to get my yucks with The Daily Show, where you really shouldn’t probably be getting your news. But if you do, you;re better informed about the lies of the bush Administration than almost any regular Fox Nuts Channel viewer!
Gotta run, it;s astarting!
July 26th, 2007 at 10:58 pmZehava, it is not a namejacking. From the other thread, JG is a John Bircher. That is not good.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:58 pmThis better be a name hijacking, JPark, or you’re gonna have a problem with me.
Comment by Zehava — July 26, 2007 @ 10:55 pm
I was hoping it was satire.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:59 pmZehava, it is not a namejacking. From the other thread, JG is a John Bircher. That is not good.
Comment by JPark — July 26, 2007 @ 10:58 pm
I don’t know if she’s a John Bircher, but she is not a fascist piglet. Read her stuff.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:00 pmLater, Trashy.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:01 pmOh, and Wayne too.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:02 pmThe executive does NOT WRITE LAW.
Comment by JPark
Apparently it doesn’t READ LAW either.
And I’m comfortable sayin’ they’re no good at ‘RITHMATIC either…
July 26th, 2007 at 11:02 pmThe executive does NOT WRITE LAW.
HELLOOOOO… Signing statements??? Try over 1,000 times trying to rewrite laws!! What do you think that is?
http://www.crooksandliars.com/ 2007/ 06/ 20/ countdown-federal-officials-rebelling-against-bush-signing-statements/
Oaky, I really am gone now.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:02 pmAwww, crap, it wasn’t JG, it was GC. My apologies, JG and everybody else!!!
July 26th, 2007 at 11:03 pmMr Presidense, give it up. You have lost all credibility and never supply anything to back up your posts. Therefore you will continue to stand in the northeast corner spinning uselessly. Please make some pertinent posts that are not of the left/right blame game variety. Please, just try not to be a dittohead whos only goal is to create arguments modeled after the talking heads.
Thanks for thinking outside the box.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:04 pmI am NOT a John Bircher. I am just a mom with a temper.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:04 pmOh, and someone who LOVES my country and doesn’t want it to go away..
July 26th, 2007 at 11:04 pmAwww, crap, it wasn’t JG, it was GC. My apologies, JG and everybody else!!!
Comment by JPark — July 26, 2007 @ 11:03 pm
I hope JG caught that.
I did the same thing earlier today, but a troll was my victim so I didn’t feel bad about it at all.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:04 pmJG, I am very sorry. It was a case of mistaken identity (in other words I was a moron).
July 26th, 2007 at 11:06 pmAwww, crap, it wasn’t JG, it was GC. My apologies, JG and everybody else!!!
Comment by JPark — July 26, 2007 @ 11:03 pm
If JG saw this, you will escape the wrath of Zooey.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:06 pmIt is so much nicer when you insult a troll accidentally, Eggy.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:06 pmI saw it. Now off to play games with one of the kiddos..
July 26th, 2007 at 11:07 pmNo problems mate.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:07 pmWere the $uck is zep tepi when you need him?
July 26th, 2007 at 11:07 pmHave a great evening, JG. :)
July 26th, 2007 at 11:07 pmIf JG saw this, you will escape the wrath of Zooey.
Comment by Zehava — July 26, 2007 @ 11:06 pm
Zooey who?
July 26th, 2007 at 11:07 pmLOL, JG saw it. I am safe from the Zoomaster. Oy vey.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:08 pmZooey Zehava goyim so and so.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:11 pmMr. Pee makes my head hurt.
He is so askeerrrrd of the “Moslems” that he is ready to throw the Constitution out the window.
It’s hard for me to wrap my mind around that.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:12 pmZooey who?
Comment by Egreggious — July 26, 2007 @ 11:07 pm
You know, that crazy libtroll.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:13 pmEggy, Christians love to tell us what a majority they are…and they are pu$$ies when it comes to Muslims. Scared as kittens. Cute.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:14 pmI forget the name of the crazy Zoo alias!! She was funny. Started with a Z I think.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:15 pmHe is so askeerrrrd of the “Moslems†that he is ready to throw the Constitution out the window.
It’s hard for me to wrap my mind around that.
Comment by Egreggious
It’s the trolls’ fearful attitude that is the terrorists’ goal. Their fear validates the terrorists actions, in a really sick way.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:15 pmNope, Yenta, great woman :)
July 26th, 2007 at 11:15 pmEggy, Christians love to tell us what a majority they are…and they are pu$$ies when it comes to Muslims. Scared as kittens. Cute.
Comment by JPark — July 26, 2007 @ 11:14 pm
911 was a horrendous event. And vengeance is a powerful “emotion”. Even when it is misdirected.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:16 pm(m12=my IQ=12 ) breaking news! Approval ratings; Congress=37% and Bush=23%. Bush now has lowest approval rating of any president ever in history. Faux ? news reports only morons now support him. People having sex with their siblings were not counted in the poll or brother- sister( you know what).
July 26th, 2007 at 11:16 pmNope, Yenta, great woman :)
Comment by JPark
Ahhh, Yenta. Nearly as whacked as her creator. I should ring up the old dahlink.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:17 pmNope, Yenta, great woman :)
Comment by JPark
If I recall correctly, Yenta had you going once upon a time. :D
July 26th, 2007 at 11:18 pmIt’s the trolls’ fearful attitude that is the terrorists’ goal. Their fear validates the terrorists actions, in a really sick way.
Comment by Zehava — July 26, 2007 @ 11:15 pm
If the terrorists want our country to be undermined, the best way to do so is for us to abandon our covenant with the Constitution. This country will crumble if we do so.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:18 pmSure it was, Eggy. It does not let them off the hook for being thoughtless violent beings rather than thinking human beings.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:19 pmYeah, Yenta came as a surprise to me :)
July 26th, 2007 at 11:19 pm911 was a horrendous event. And vengeance is a powerful “emotionâ€. Even when it is misdirected.
Comment by Egreggious
It’s not vengeance, not primarily, it’s fear. Much more dangerous.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:19 pmYes, I am back, for at least this post.
This was too important to not post this breaking news.
Looks like Pat Tillman was murdered, and it was covered up
http://www.forbes.com/ feeds/ ap/ 2007/ 07/ 26/ ap3958728.html
They murdered a fellow Ranger and I am pissed off as hell.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:20 pmComment by Joefriday — July 26, 2007 @ 11:16 pm
Is this a real poll?
July 26th, 2007 at 11:20 pmIf the terrorists want our country to be undermined, the best way to do so is for us to abandon our covenant with the Constitution. This country will crumble if we do so.
Comment by Egreggious
Yes, we destroy ourselves from within — the terrorists win not only the battle, but the war.
Oy, 90 degrees, cool enough to make a little dinner….back in a bit.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:21 pmIt is amazing that they don’t realize they are following Darwin’s theory to letter.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:21 pmComment by Wayne — July 26, 2007 @ 11:20 pm
America will not stand for this!
July 26th, 2007 at 11:22 pmThey murdered a fellow Ranger and I am pissed off as hell.
Comment by Wayne
Hey Wayne. Wondering what had become of you.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:23 pmWar is hell.
Sheer hell.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:25 pmIt’s not vengeance, not primarily, it’s fear. Much more dangerous.
Comment by Zehava — July 26, 2007 @ 11:19 pm
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What are talking about?
Fear is an instinctive life preserver for all animals!!!!!
July 26th, 2007 at 11:25 pmNice try, Repuke troll.
Trying to hijack “troll”.
Lame atttempt by another dimwitted Repuke troll.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:25 pmHey Wayne. Wondering what had become of you.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
I was boycotting TP for banning some regular posters and not trolls like sh*thead Mr.Pee heh
July 26th, 2007 at 11:25 pmMr. President, you forget, we have no connection to animals according to the right.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:30 pmI was boycotting TP for banning some regular posters and not trolls like sh*thead Mr.Pee heh
Comment by Wayne
I can understand that. Some trolls are so frickin’ loathesome it defies description, but some nights, like last, we manage to run ‘em outta here!
As far as TP goes, uh, not sure what to say. It was rather strange here for a while. Still gets taht way from time to time. I’m an ornery cuss. I refuse to give into trolls.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:30 pmahhhhhhhhhHHHH!!
July 26th, 2007 at 11:30 pmThey murdered a fellow Ranger and I am pissed off as hell.
Comment by Wayne — July 26, 2007 @ 11:20 pm
OMG Wayne, I hadn’t heard about this. This is devastating.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:30 pmWhat are talking about?
Fear is an instinctive life preserver for all animals!!!!!
Comment by Mr. President
Stop being such a simpleton.