Conyers seeks copies of Mueller’s notes.
By on Jul 26th, 2007 at 9:19 pm
Conyers seeks copies of Mueller’s notes.
During the House Judiciary Committee’s hearing with FBI Director Robert Mueller today, Rep. Arthur Davis (D-AL) asked Mueller whether he retained notes of his March 2004 conversation with Ashcroft in the hospital. Mueller said he did take notes because the events were so “out of the ordinary.” Chairman John Conyers wrote to Mueller after the hearing requesting access to those notes. “I write now to formalize that request, and ask that you provide the Committee with copies of the notes to which you referred in your testimony,” Conyers said. The notes will likely provide further evidence that Alberto Gonzales misled Congress when he said those 2004 discussions were about “other intelligence activities.”
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Better get those notes before Cheney gets his shotgun out!!!
July 26th, 2007 at 9:21 pmThe focus sharpens….
July 26th, 2007 at 9:22 pmOoooo… this could be vewy, vewy interestin’!
July 26th, 2007 at 9:22 pmDoes it feel like finally this is a little crack in the dike and the water is dripping a little harder??
July 26th, 2007 at 9:26 pmGeez, I am afraid to start getting my hopes up..
July 26th, 2007 at 9:27 pmDid any of you see Snow-job interviewed on Matthews show tonight? Ol’ Tony was spinning faster than a dreidel during Hanukkah!! Made me DIZZEEE!!!
July 26th, 2007 at 9:28 pmI’m sure that Bush will declare that his notes are covered under “Executive Privilege” – which would of course then implicate Bush as having directed these guys to go to Ashcroft’s bedside.
Rock, meet hard place.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:29 pmJG,.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:29 pmNo, We lost along time ago.
this will not have any affect as to the damage allread did and done.
there is no hope for freedumb.
#
Geez, I am afraid to start getting my hopes up..
Comment by JG — July 26, 2007 @ 9:27 pm
I gave up along time ago. I,ve learned to accept the truth.
freedom IS freedumb.
God never gave us freedom.
freedom is NOT free.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:32 pm
Does it feel like finally this is a little crack in the dike and the water is dripping a little harder??
Comment by JG — July 26, 2007 @ 9:26 pm
Yes. There is ALWAYS hope.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:33 pmEvery time the truth gains a little traction against this criminal administration, they conveniently slither away unscathed. My guess is that the “enforcers” (Rove and Dick, et al.) make a few phone calls to the party that strayed out of line and whammo, retractions, backpedaling, media complicity in changing the complexion of the story.
If Rove or Cheney can be removed from power, the game is over.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:34 pmI’m glad to see someone with the nads to continue. And someone was actually a professional at there job (Mueller).
July 26th, 2007 at 9:34 pmBush thinks Executive Privilege is a Get Out of Jail Card.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:39 pmJust a small correction – it’s Artur Davis, not Arthur.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:39 pmSorry, guys, I’m still smelling another “Executive Privilage” coming around the bend.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:41 pmBedtime for Gonzo
July 26th, 2007 at 9:41 pmOff topic here but…
If you tell a troll to fu(k off on TP, do they ban you? I thought I was only doing the right thing! There may have been a real c in there by the way…
July 26th, 2007 at 9:43 pmace, if memory serves me correctly, he did say that he went there “on behalf of the president”.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:45 pm#10
Yes. There is ALWAYS hope.
Comment by Zehava — July 26, 2007 @ 9:33 pm
PROVE IT! MAKE THE RICH FEEL SORRY FOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE!
July 26th, 2007 at 9:45 pm
Yes. There is ALWAYS hope.
Comment by Zehava — July 26, 2007 @ 9:33 pm
PROVE IT!
July 26th, 2007 at 9:46 pm
Yes. There is ALWAYS hope.
Comment by Zehava — July 26, 2007 @ 9:33 pm
July 26th, 2007 at 9:46 pmPROVE IT!!
Man, the trolls are really coming unglued aren’t they?
July 26th, 2007 at 9:47 pmIf you tell a troll to fu(k off on TP, do they ban you? I thought I was only doing the right thing! There may have been a real c in there by the way…
Comment by Pat — July 26, 2007 @ 9:43 pm
They probably wouldn’t ban you, but your comment will get deleted. I have lots of experience with that.
That filter is set so high, that I put up a comment where I only wanted to tell someone to f*ck off, and it was deleted. That’s not fair.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:47 pmYeah right.
So now Gonzales “misled” Congress.
Please.
GIVE IT UP, LEFTIES!!!
July 26th, 2007 at 9:47 pmYes. There is ALWAYS hope.
Comment by Zehava — July 26, 2007 @ 9:33 pm
July 26th, 2007 at 9:48 pmPROVE THERE IS SO CALLED HOPE! because, i don,t believe it!
WHERE ARE YOUR FACTS ?
Comment by Zehava — July 26, 2007 @ 9:33 pm
PROVE IT! MAKE THE RICH FEEL SORRY FOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE!
Comment by GoTFreedumb
I think the last person to make a rich man feel sorry was Bob Cratchett in Tiny Tim.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:48 pm“Now, where did I put those notes again…..”
If you tell a troll to fu(k off on TP, do they ban you? I thought I was only doing the right thing! There may have been a real c in there by the way…
Comment by Pat — July 26, 2007 @ 9:43 pm
You only earn our undying admiration.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:48 pmPROVE IT!!
Comment by GoTFreedumb — July 26, 2007 @ 9:46 pm
Prove there is no hope.
And stop spamming this thread, you’re acting like a troll.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:49 pmSo, wouldn’t a statement like “on behalf of the president” mean that it was at the president’s request?
July 26th, 2007 at 9:49 pm#15 Jeannie See,
I agree. I also believe the repugs are just throwing shit out there to frustrate the dems. KKKRove and group know the only way to have ANY possiblity in 2008 is to make the dems appear non effective. So far, it’s working.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:49 pmHeh.
Ooooo… this could be vewy, vewy interestin’!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 26, 2007 @ 9:22 pm
This is why you are next in line for the Daily Show.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:51 pmSo, wouldn’t a statement like “on behalf of the president†mean that it was at the president’s request?
Comment by Jeannie See — July 26, 2007 @ 9:49 pm
That could prove awkward. :D
My thoughts on Executive Privilege are that the more Bush invokes it, the more attention he draws from the sheeple. His commutation of Libby’s sentence may prove to his Bush’s “Saturday Night Massacre.”
July 26th, 2007 at 9:51 pmI actually do have some hope. How does Bush call his own FBI director a liar..?
July 26th, 2007 at 9:52 pmI work for a construction company however, i run books for 14 different companies. Whenever I have to conduct business for one of those companies (outside of the construction company) I always have to say, “I calling on the behalf of…..” which means that I am conducting business for which ever company I am call on the behalf of.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:53 pmGIVE IT UP, LEFTIES!!!
Comment by Mr. President — July 26, 2007 @ 9:47 pm
Mr Pres,
YOU ARE PROBABLY RIGHT.
BUT, I CAN GUARANTEE YOU, YOU WILL GO DOWN TOO!!!
July 26th, 2007 at 9:54 pm
All of this coming to a head just in time for….
Congressional recess.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:54 pm33 JG,
It seems the WH is welcoming the fight with the congress. They believe they can tie things up and blame it on the dems. I wouldn’t put anything past KKKRove.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:56 pmBUT, I CAN GUARANTEE YOU, YOU WILL GO DOWN TOO!!!
Comment by GoTFreedumb — July 26, 2007 @ 9:54 pm
———————————————————
Guarantee?
The best you can do is hope!
July 26th, 2007 at 9:56 pmDidn’t I read somewhwere that the Deoms were going to have people there in their offices off and on throughout the recess to make sure Bush didn’t try to slip through a recess appointment??) I know I read it somewhere..)
July 26th, 2007 at 9:57 pmAll of this coming to a head just in time for….
Congressional recess.
Comment by Egreggious
A sticking point, I agree. But not insurmountable.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:57 pmComment by JG — July 26, 2007 @ 9:57 pm
I’ve only read that here.
But we can HOPE!
July 26th, 2007 at 9:58 pmDidn’t I read somewhwere that the Deoms were going to have people there in their offices off and on throughout the recess to make sure Bush didn’t try to slip through a recess appointment??) I know I read it somewhere..)
Comment by JG — July 26, 2007 @ 9:57 pm
I remember something about that. Harry Reid was going to try to prevent recess appointments.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:58 pmIt would actually be funny if Congress didn’t go on recess.
While the Iraqi Parliament was on vacation.
And Bush was clearing brush.
July 26th, 2007 at 9:59 pmJuly 26th, 2007 at 10:00 pm
Hope and sh!t both float.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:01 pmMaybe we could just impeach Bush and CHeney WHILE they were on vacation.. Sort of like a RECESS IMPEACHMENT!! What d’ya think??
July 26th, 2007 at 10:02 pm#44 was intended for Mr P
July 26th, 2007 at 10:02 pm
JG,
Good one. Yeah, recess impeachment!
July 26th, 2007 at 10:03 pm#44 was intended for Mr P
Comment by GoTFreedumb — July 26, 2007 @ 10:02 pm
It’s OK. I didn’t get any #44 on me.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:03 pmGoTFreedumb
The return of the banned ‘freedumb is not free’?
July 26th, 2007 at 10:04 pmHope and sh!t both float.
Comment by ForTruth
Thanks.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:05 pmI CAN GUARANTEE YOU, YOU WILL GO DOWN TOO!!!
MARK MY WORDS FREEDUMB LOVER!!!
Comment by GoTFreedumb — July 26, 2007 @ 10:00 pm
————————————————————–
Oh, I see…
It’s either hopelessness or apodeicticity with you libs.
Well, sorry, but the real world isn’t strictly black or white, there are shades of gray!
July 26th, 2007 at 10:05 pmCongress could just change the dates of recess at the last minute, and not tell Bush.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:05 pmMaybe we could just impeach Bush and CHeney WHILE they were on vacation.. Sort of like a RECESS IMPEACHMENT!! What d’ya think??
Comment by JG — July 26, 2007 @ 10:02 pm
I could go for that!
July 26th, 2007 at 10:06 pmGUARANTEED!
July 26th, 2007 at 10:07 pmI GAVE UP THE FIRST TIME BUSH STOLE THE ELECTIONS!
OR RATHER THE REPUBS STOLE THE ELECTIONS!
LIKE I SAID!
I CAN GUARANTEE YOU, YOU FREEDUMB LOVERS WILL GO DOWN TOO!!!
MARK MY WORDS FREEDUMB LOVERS!!!
GOD WILL ALLOW US TO DESTROY OURSELVES.
AS THE OLD SAYING GOES:
GIVE THEM ENOUGH ROPE, THEY WILL HANG THEMSELVES!
It’s either hopelessness or apodeicticity with you libs.
Comment by Mr. President — July 26, 2007 @ 10:05 pm
All right. I got to look that one up, Trashy Machos.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:07 pmWell, sorry, but the real world isn’t strictly black or white, there are shades of gray!
Comment by Mr. President
Coming from you, that means absolutely nothing.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:07 pmComing from you, that means absolutely nothing.
Comment by Zehava
Or even less!
July 26th, 2007 at 10:08 pmNotes taken at the hospital meeting = Stain on blue dress
July 26th, 2007 at 10:08 pm“So now Gonzales “misled†Congress.
Please.
GIVE IT UP, LEFTIES!!!”
You are right. The word is lied. The torture loving son of a b!tch flat out lied to Congress. Are you proud of that?
July 26th, 2007 at 10:08 pmColor me confused, but why is everone so upset with the Iragi Parliament taking a vacation when our own government takes vacations?
July 26th, 2007 at 10:08 pmOr even less!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 26, 2007 @ 10:08 pm
Pow!
July 26th, 2007 at 10:09 pmComment by GoTFreedumb — July 26, 2007 @ 10:07 pm
R U “freedomrings”?
July 26th, 2007 at 10:09 pmBy the way, Primus, how much gray is involved in torture? And you KNOW the 24 scenario is bullsh!t.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:09 pmWell, sorry, but the real world isn’t strictly black or white, there are shades of gray!
Comment by Mr. President — July 26, 2007 @ 10:05 pm
WELL ,SORRY, BUT THE REAL WORLD DOESN’T BELONG TO YOU OR ME OR US!
July 26th, 2007 at 10:09 pm
JPark,
No.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:10 pmColor me confused, but why is everone so upset with the Iragi Parliament taking a vacation when our own government takes vacations?
Comment by Jeannie See — July 26, 2007 @ 10:08 pm
Part of the stated purpose of the “surge” was to buy the Iraqi government time to make progress on various issues. So, while our kids are dying, the Iraqi Parliament has decided it’s a little too warm to conduct business right now.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:11 pmAlright Mr. President, that word you used was wayyy too big. Kinda bombastic of ya’.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:11 pmIt’s either hopelessness or apodeicticity with you libs.
Comment by Mr. President
Mr P found another way to say “black or white.”
Here’s a cookie.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:11 pmBy the way, Primus, how much gray is involved in torture? And you KNOW the 24 scenario is bullsh!t.
Comment by JPark — July 26, 2007 @ 10:09 pm
July 26th, 2007 at 10:12 pm———————————————————–
I don’t recall.
Color me confused, but why is everone so upset with the Iragi Parliament taking a vacation when our own government takes vacations?
Comment by Jeannie See
Because American soldiers will still be fighting and dying in 130 degree heat while the Iraqi and, yes, American legislatures, are vacationeering.
Trust me, folks around here are plenty annoyed at our own government over this BS.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:12 pmThen what is the deal, Primus? I know you like pulling legs and BSing. What do you really think? Should Gonzo be in jail?
July 26th, 2007 at 10:12 pmAlright Mr. President, that word you used was wayyy too big. Kinda bombastic of ya’.
Comment by ForTruth — July 26, 2007 @ 10:11 pm
July 26th, 2007 at 10:14 pm————————————————-
Sorry, it just popped into my head.
Color me confused, but why is everone so upset with the Iragi Parliament taking a vacation when our own government takes vacations?
Comment by Jeannie See — July 26, 2007 @ 10:08 pm
*everone” s/b everyone, sorry.
Hey, where has Wayne and Jane been lately?
July 26th, 2007 at 10:14 pmI gave up along time ago. I,ve learned to accept the truth.
freedom IS freedumb.
God never gave us freedom.
freedom is NOT free.
Comment by GoTFreedumb
Freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose….
July 26th, 2007 at 10:15 pmI think Wayne was here this morning.
I believe they have lives.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:15 pmIt’s either hopelessness or apodeicticity with you libs.
Comment by Mr. President
…the property of apodeicticity (of universal, necessary and inevitable validity) inseparably attached to it…
Me’thinks the pot is calling the kettle black, AGAIN…
July 26th, 2007 at 10:17 pm(Sorry for being off-topic..)
Speaking of our soldiers, did anyone read this today:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/07/26/army-billing-vets-for-damaged-equipment/
Then read this:
http://www.uslaboragainstwar.org/article.php?id=13594
Including this:
“Another young Halliburton worker named James Logsdon told me about the burn pits. Burn pits are large dumps near military stations where they would burn equipment, trucks, trash, etc. If they ordered the wrong item, they’d throw it in the burn pit. If a tire blew on a piece of equipment, they’d throw the whole thing into the burn pit. They burn pits had so much equipment, they even gave them a nickname — “Home Depot.”
The trucker said he would get us some photos. And I naively asked, how big are they, the size of a backyard swimming pool? He laughed, and referred to one that he had seen that was 15 football fields large, and burned around the clock! It infuriated him to have to burn stuff rather then give it to the Iraqis or to the military. Yet Halliburton was being rewarded each time they billed the government for a new truck or new piece of equipment. With a cost- plus contract, the contractors receive a percentage of the money they spend. As Shane told me, “It’s a legal way of stealing from the government or the taxpayers’ money.”"
This has me really pissed.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:18 pmI believe they have lives.
Comment by Egreggious — July 26, 2007 @ 10:15 pm
What? What is this thing you speak of…..lives?
July 26th, 2007 at 10:19 pmWhat do you really think? Should Gonzo be in jail?
Comment by JPark — July 26, 2007 @ 10:12 pm
July 26th, 2007 at 10:19 pm————————————–
I think that he should never have been in the situation in the first place. With all of the (possibly needless) secrecy in the Bush Adm. Gonzales did not seem to know what he should or should not say, due to the interests of national security and on-going programs.
This has me really pissed.
Comment by JG — July 26, 2007 @ 10:18 pm
Wow, JG. It just keeps getting worse, doesn’t it?
July 26th, 2007 at 10:21 pmNo, MP, he threw himself into the dialogue in the first place. He and Yoo were the big legal pushers of the very illegal acts of the administration before he was AG. Why do you think he got the job???
July 26th, 2007 at 10:22 pmComment by Mr. President — July 26, 2007 @ 10:19 pm
Much better than HeyoooOOoOOOoooOOooo in my opinion.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:22 pmWhy do you think he got the job???
Comment by JPark — July 26, 2007 @ 10:22 pm
—————–
Merit?
July 26th, 2007 at 10:23 pmComment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 26, 2007 @ 10:12 pm
Maybe I’m wrong in my sentiment, I just feel that old saying, “what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.” If we are going to get into an uproar about their govenment taking a vacation because people are fighting and dying, then why in the hell is our government taking a vacation?
At this moment in time, we don’t need our government taking a vacation wither.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:24 pmComment by Mr. President — July 26, 2007 @ 10:19 pm
July 26th, 2007 at 10:24 pmWhat are you talking about? Gonzales is a GREAT Consigliere. His Don, Pres. Bush, will take care of him and cover his backside.
His interest is not the office of Attorney GEneral or this country. His interest is voering for whatever Bush is doing. Period.
HEyOOOooOOO!!!
July 26th, 2007 at 10:24 pmGonzales did not seem to know what he should or should not say, due to the interests of national security and on-going programs
Comment by Mr. President
And alibis… don’t forget the alibis… “due to the interests of national security, on-going programs, and badly-needed alibis…”
July 26th, 2007 at 10:24 pmThat was a joke, right, Primus?
July 26th, 2007 at 10:25 pmthen why in the hell is our government taking a vacation?
At this moment in time, we don’t need our government taking a vacation wither.
Comment by Jeannie See
That exact sentiment has been voiced more than once here…
July 26th, 2007 at 10:26 pmPrimus, I am guessing Omerta, more likely. He certainly is no legal genius.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:26 pmComment by JG
But… but… national security… on-going programs…
July 26th, 2007 at 10:26 pmAahhh, spelling is starting to fall apart.. Try again..
What are you talking about? Gonzales is a GREAT Consigliere. His Don, the Pres. Bush, will take care of him and cover his backside.
His interest is not the office of Attorney General or this country. His interest is covering for whatever Bush is doing. Period.
(Better..)
July 26th, 2007 at 10:26 pmPrime, you know that those ongoing programs are unconstitutional, right?
July 26th, 2007 at 10:27 pmeither. sheese. finding nail clipper now.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:28 pmEverybody who pays attention knows Gonzalez was not appointed for his legal expertise. He was appointed for his loyalty.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:28 pmAt this moment in time, we don’t need our government taking a vacation wither.
Comment by Jeannie See — July 26, 2007 @ 10:24 pm
When you’re right, you’re right! There should be no breaks while the troops are dying.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:29 pmhttp://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/8971
Let’s impeach the entire GOP! This is a great article that suggests what must be done: sweep every Repuke out of office. They are supporting the criminal violation of our laws and our constitution.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:29 pmPrime, you know that those ongoing programs are unconstitutional, right?
Comment by JPark — July 26, 2007 @ 10:27 pm
July 26th, 2007 at 10:29 pm————————————————————
Well, sometimes the constitution isn’t adequate when fighting an enemy that knows no honor.
Well, sometimes the constitution isn’t adequate when fighting an enemy that knows no honor.
Comment by Mr. President — July 26, 2007 @ 10:29 pm
Bullshit. That’s when it’s most important.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:30 pmHe was appointed for his loyalty.
Comment by JPark — July 26, 2007 @ 10:28 pm
July 26th, 2007 at 10:31 pm————————–
Yeah, like I said… merit.
Well, sometimes the constitution isn’t adequate when fighting an enemy that knows no honor.
Comment by Mr. President — July 26, 2007 @ 10:29 pm
What are we supposed to do when the Constitution isn’t adequate?
July 26th, 2007 at 10:32 pm“Well, sometimes the constitution isn’t adequate when fighting an enemy that knows no honor”
You are joking, right? If not…Tom Jefferson and Tom Payne would be kicking your a$$ right now.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:32 pmWell, sometimes the constitution isn’t adequate when fighting an enemy that knows no honor.
Comment by Mr. President
Care to tell us which parts you think are “silly”???
July 26th, 2007 at 10:32 pmBush is running out of time to restore “dignity” back to the White House. I guess when you get advice from people like Rove, Cheney, Perle, and Wolfowitz dignity kind of takes a back seat–along with the truth.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:33 pmWell, sometimes the constitution isn’t adequate when fighting an enemy that knows no honor.
What about an Administration that knows no honor..??
You opened the door.
Here are my quotes from the FATHER of the Constitution – James Madison (he knew what he was talking about):
“The accumulation of all powers legislative, executive and judiciary in the same hands, whether of one, a few or many…may justly be pronounced the very definition of tyranny”
“No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare.” – James Madison
“If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.” – James Madison
“The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home.” – James Madison
“We are right to take alarm at the first experiment upon our liberties.” – James Madison
July 26th, 2007 at 10:33 pmPrimus, you are not that stupid. Loyalty does not equal competence.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:33 pmWhy do you think he got the job???
Comment by JPark — July 26, 2007 @ 10:22 pm
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Merit?
Comment by Mr. President — July 26, 2007 @ 10:23 pm
But… but… national security… on-going programs…
Comment by Mr. President — July 26, 2007 @ 10:26 pm
I knew you had a sense of humor. :D
Of course the one and only reason that Alberto Gonzales is now this country’s Attorney General has absolutely nothing to do with “merit”, for there are very few meritorious about him, save perhaps his complete and utter devotion to protecting the man who made his “career”, but “loyalty”. Loyalty to one man, above all else, including the people, the country, the law, and the constitution. It really is that simple.
And the primary reason he is desperate to protect the existence of thos national security reason is because they are quite likely illegal and unconstitutional and, therefore, not subject to the protection of true national security interests. And if they were subject to thsi protection, they would also be subject to Congressional review, to make sure that the power was not being abused. I can;t tell you how many times I’ve heard a Republican say about these porgrams, “If you’ve done nothing wrong, you’ve got nothing to worry about.” Funny how it doesn;t work the other way around.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:34 pmWhat are we supposed to do when the Constitution isn’t adequate?
Comment by Egreggious — July 26, 2007 @ 10:32 pm
July 26th, 2007 at 10:34 pm——————————————————————-
Amend, revise, improve… work around it, find loop-holes, etc. etc.
Eggy, we are supposed to wipe our a$$es with it like George does.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:34 pmGonzales did not seem to know what he should or should not say, due to the interests of national security and on-going programs
Comment by Mr. President
Bullshit. He’s the friggin’ AG. The head of all law enforcement (supposedly). If he doesn’t know what he can or cannot say, then he has absolutely no business beinging in the position that he holds. Comeon, even you aren’t that stupid.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:35 pmThe President finally admits he feels the Constitution is inadequate. Let me guess a group of “Pioneers” want to change all that. Neocons anyone?
July 26th, 2007 at 10:36 pmWhat are we supposed to do when the Constitution isn’t adequate?
Comment by Egreggious
July 26th, 2007 at 10:37 pmSorry, . that was a sheep question..
mr p gave you the wrong answer.
The Right Answer is
GIVE IT(FREEDOM) UP! WE ARE LOSING!
CHINA WILL WIN!
“Amend, revise, improve… work around it, find loop-holes, etc. etc.”
Well, the first three work (there are provisions for that). Loop-holes, not so much, and you know it. Bush is a criminal.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:38 pmI think Mr. Pee has a valid point. There are times the Constitution “lets us down” (I would suggest that “Executive Privilege” might be an example of that). But I also feel that we stray from the Constitution at our peril. Where, if not there, do we draw the line? Where will Hillary draw the line?
July 26th, 2007 at 10:39 pmAmend, revise, improve… work around it, find loop-holes, etc. etc.
Comment by Mr. President — July 26, 2007 @ 10:34 pm
I see you’re having fun tweaking the folks here with your blatantly inane responses. Tell me, do you have a blog with more of this humor of yours? I’d be interested in reading it. Is it funny as these guys’?
July 26th, 2007 at 10:39 pmPrimus, you are not that stupid.
Comment by JPark
Come on, even you aren’t that stupid.
Comment by Jeannie See
Appears to be the underlying theme of this thread…
July 26th, 2007 at 10:40 pmComment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 26, 2007 @ 10:39 pm
Nah, I don’t have my own blog… I wish I did, though.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:41 pmIs it funny as these guys’?
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
Does it come w/ a codpiece, ya know, so it’ll be life-like?
July 26th, 2007 at 10:41 pmLoop-holes, not so much, and you know it.
Comment by JPark — July 26, 2007
What about the Sanity Clause?
July 26th, 2007 at 10:43 pmNah, I don’t have my own blog… I wish I did, though.
Comment by Mr. “I am Gonna Kill Em All, Laura†President — July 26, 2007 @ 10:41 pm
You should start one. It’s easy and free. And you’d spend less time here.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:44 pmImpeachment is the solution.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:45 pmThis Administration is milking the American public for EVERY STINKING DOLLAR they can make off this continual ‘TERROR THREAT’ they keep pounding into us, and their keeping the American public AFRAID and off kilter with their constant reminders and false warnings to BE AFRAID.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/06/04/olbermann-the-nexus-of-politics-and-terror-2/
In the meantime, they haven’t done a damn thing to make this country safer (for all their blustering – God forbid any dollars would be diverted from the WAR!). Hello, the proof is in the pudding. In fact, they have done MANY things to make us LESS SAFE! They have milked the treasury of all the taxpayers’ money (now working their way to a TRILLION dollars) for this war on the PREMISE of fighting terror, a nameless, faceless, borderless enemy (but basically for control of the oil and for the purpose of empire building).
I am SICK of this! And, I am done for tonight.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:45 pmComment by JG — July 26, 2007 @ 10:33 pm
Kick ass, JG.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:45 pmImpeachment is the solution.
Comment by Tom3 — July 26, 2007 @ 10:45 pm
I think a blog would do it.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:45 pm# 116
July 26th, 2007 at 10:46 pmO(H GOD Wayne A. Schneider —:( DID YOU REALLY HAVE TO SEND PEOLE TO THAT GROSSED OUT SITE?PALEASE!IMAO!
EXCUSE ME, I MUST GO PUKE! BARF!
Comment by Egreggious — July 26, 2007 @ 10:39 pm
I seriously believe that we need to have a constitutional convention, and i would love to be able to find a way to have real average citizens make real suggestions. take in all of them. Show the world how a true Democracy works.
But that’s beside the point. The concept of Executive Privilege appears nowhere inthe constitution, despite the fact that past SCOTUS decisions have acknowledged some “necessity” for it. Their reasoning is flawed in that they ignore the fact that advice given to the president ought to be in the public interest and, if not truly dealing with national security, available to the public to scrutinize. If it can’t withstand public scutiny, then it is probably not in the public’s interest. And, this is the most important point that seems to be overlooked, amazingly enough, they are public servants, and they are supposed to be working in our interests AT ALL TIMES!
Somewhere along the line these a-holes actually got the idea that they are allowed to use out money, and the power we gave them, to enrich themselves and their friends. I’m not naive, it’s been going on since man has had governments. And there used to be reasons for that related to the cultures and times involved. But for a nation founded upon the principles of which this one was?
July 26th, 2007 at 10:46 pmTake care, JG.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:46 pmComment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 26, 2007 @ 10:39 pm
He’s a troll, Wayne, plain and simple. Your discussion with him the other night was an aberration. You should have seen him the last couple of days — this is nothing.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:47 pmComment by GoTFreedumb — July 26, 2007 @ 10:46 pm
It’s a parody site. They aren’t serious. They are absolutely ridiculous. Sorry, I should have forewarned you. My bad. :(
July 26th, 2007 at 10:48 pm“The notes will likely provide further evidence that Alberto Gonzales misled Congress when he said those 2004 discussions were about “other intelligence activities.â€
I am so sick and tired of people saying that someone “mislead” or “misspoke” when in actuality what they did was lie. Is there something wrong with the word lie? Why don’t they just call a spade a spade?
July 26th, 2007 at 10:48 pmWas Pat Tillman fragged?
July 26th, 2007 at 10:49 pmWhat about the Sanity Clause?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 26, 2007 @ 10:43 pm
These guys are from Texas?
Taxes? I got an uncle who live down in Taxes.
No, I’m talking about dollars.
Dollars? Dollars, Taxes. That’s where my uncle live!
Gotta love those Marx Brothers. :)
July 26th, 2007 at 10:50 pmShow the world how a true Democracy works.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 26, 2007 @ 10:46 pm
The USA is a Republic, a representative democracy.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:50 pm(but basically for control of the oil and for the purpose of empire building).
I am SICK of this! And, I am done for tonight.
Comment by JG
Umpire building??? WTF??? First it was OBL, and now MLB is the enemy?
Oh… it says, EMPIRE building… sorry, my bad…
July 26th, 2007 at 10:51 pmWhy don’t they just call a spade a spade?
Comment by bilbobaggins — July 26, 2007 @ 10:48 pm
Because it’s inflammatory, and it’s traditional that Congress people be polite — even if it’s useless.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:51 pmJG,
Thursday, July 26th, 2007
“Probe: Bechtel Fails on Majority of Iraq Projects
July 26th, 2007 at 10:51 pmU.S. investigators have found the engineering giant Bechtel National failed on more than half of projects assigned under its one point eight billion dollar contract in Iraq. The failed efforts include a sewage treatment facility, an electrical plant and a massive landfill. Bechtel was one of the first U.S. companies to benefit from the post-invasion contracting boom in Iraq. The Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction says state department officials assigned just two staffers to oversee Bechtel’s work.”
It’s a parody site. They aren’t serious. They are absolutely ridiculous. Sorry, I should have forewarned you. My bad. :(
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 26, 2007 @ 10:48 pm
July 26th, 2007 at 10:51 pmI , M Sti(ROFL,BARF))ll Nuasiated!
Apoligy Accepted. but, please be more carefull. thanks.
Bite me JG and good night, you fascist piglet.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:52 pmWas Pat Tillman fragged?
Comment by Egreggious
That’s actually a very good question, and it only makes you wonder even more when Bush feels compelled to bottle up the investigation the way he did.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:52 pmComment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 26, 2007 @ 10:46 pm
I did not mean to suggest that the Constitution actually addressed Executive Privilege, but that it would be nice if it actually did, so that the limits on it were clearly defined.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:53 pm#99- M.President: you said
[Well, sometimes the Consitution isn't adequate when fighting an enemy that knows no honor]
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1. Who decides that the Constitution isn’t adequate?
2. Constitution can be amended,and in the past, Articles has been amended when approved by the States assemblies,and the US Congress.
3. Anything other than that, is a violation of the law to disregard the law or anyone create his own law.
4.Nobody can create his own amendments because he thinks articles are ‘not adequate’.
5. You gave justification that ‘we are fighting enemy that knows no honor’.
US Constitution is the corner stone of American existence,and the supreme law.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:53 pmIt is an internal matter.
Any changes must be approved by the majority of the people.
“So now Gonzales “misled†Congress.
Please.
GIVE IT UP, LEFTIES!!!
Comment by Mr. President”
You are 100% correct Mr. President. Gonzales didn’t “mislead” Congress. He flat out lied to Congress. And with his lie, he committed perjury.
Perjury is a serious crime and in punishable by up to 5 years in prison.
God wouldn’t I just love to see Gonzo go to prison for 5 years. You think his voice is high now. Just think how high it would be when he got out.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:54 pmComment by Wayne A. Schneider
Geez, it sure took ya long enough to run w/ it. Why do I give you guys the openings I do?
July 26th, 2007 at 10:54 pmComment by Zehava — July 26, 2007 @ 10:47 pm
I know who he is. I was hoping that in the few minutes I have before Jon Stewart starts here in the East, that I could bring him back to some semblance of “normalcy”, as he seems willing to be with me. I’ve been working late and not had much time to post lately, so I haven’t been around to “rein him in”. I still see the potential in him to turn to the side of goodness and light and turn his wit against the truly ignorant, moronic trolls that come here. He’s just having fun with you guys being cleverly obtuse. When the real acerebralists show up, he’ll expand their stupidy and ridicule it the way Colbert does with O’Reilly, but pretending to attack us.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:55 pmBite me JG and good night, you fascist piglet.
Comment by JPark — July 26, 2007 @ 10:52 pm
This better be a name hijacking, JPark, or you’re gonna have a problem with me.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:55 pmThe USA is a Republic, a representative democracy.
Comment by Mr. President
What??? Did someone just call for a Republic???
July 26th, 2007 at 10:55 pmHe’s just having fun with you guys being cleverly obtuse. When the real acerebralists show up, he’ll expand their stupidy and ridicule it the way Colbert does with O’Reilly, but pretending to attack us.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 26, 2007 @ 10:55 pm
I’ve been down this path with him, Wayne. I know what he is.
Check your facebook!
July 26th, 2007 at 10:57 pmEggy, the Constitution DOES address executive priveledge by specifying the responsibilities of each branch. The executive does NOT WRITE LAW.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:57 pmNational Security.
and with that…
screw you guys, I’m gonna go watch the Daily Show.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:57 pmComment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 26, 2007 @ 10:54 pm
I just got here! And now I have to get my yucks with The Daily Show, where you really shouldn’t probably be getting your news. But if you do, you;re better informed about the lies of the bush Administration than almost any regular Fox Nuts Channel viewer!
Gotta run, it;s astarting!
July 26th, 2007 at 10:58 pmZehava, it is not a namejacking. From the other thread, JG is a John Bircher. That is not good.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:58 pmThis better be a name hijacking, JPark, or you’re gonna have a problem with me.
Comment by Zehava — July 26, 2007 @ 10:55 pm
I was hoping it was satire.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:59 pmZehava, it is not a namejacking. From the other thread, JG is a John Bircher. That is not good.
Comment by JPark — July 26, 2007 @ 10:58 pm
I don’t know if she’s a John Bircher, but she is not a fascist piglet. Read her stuff.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:00 pmLater, Trashy.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:01 pmOh, and Wayne too.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:02 pmThe executive does NOT WRITE LAW.
Comment by JPark
Apparently it doesn’t READ LAW either.
And I’m comfortable sayin’ they’re no good at ‘RITHMATIC either…
July 26th, 2007 at 11:02 pmThe executive does NOT WRITE LAW.
HELLOOOOO… Signing statements??? Try over 1,000 times trying to rewrite laws!! What do you think that is?
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/06/20/countdown-federal-officials-rebelling-against-bush-signing-statements/
Oaky, I really am gone now.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:02 pmAwww, crap, it wasn’t JG, it was GC. My apologies, JG and everybody else!!!
July 26th, 2007 at 11:03 pmMr Presidense, give it up. You have lost all credibility and never supply anything to back up your posts. Therefore you will continue to stand in the northeast corner spinning uselessly. Please make some pertinent posts that are not of the left/right blame game variety. Please, just try not to be a dittohead whos only goal is to create arguments modeled after the talking heads.
Thanks for thinking outside the box.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:04 pmI am NOT a John Bircher. I am just a mom with a temper.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:04 pmOh, and someone who LOVES my country and doesn’t want it to go away..
July 26th, 2007 at 11:04 pmAwww, crap, it wasn’t JG, it was GC. My apologies, JG and everybody else!!!
Comment by JPark — July 26, 2007 @ 11:03 pm
I hope JG caught that.
I did the same thing earlier today, but a troll was my victim so I didn’t feel bad about it at all.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:04 pmJG, I am very sorry. It was a case of mistaken identity (in other words I was a moron).
July 26th, 2007 at 11:06 pmAwww, crap, it wasn’t JG, it was GC. My apologies, JG and everybody else!!!
Comment by JPark — July 26, 2007 @ 11:03 pm
If JG saw this, you will escape the wrath of Zooey.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:06 pmIt is so much nicer when you insult a troll accidentally, Eggy.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:06 pmI saw it. Now off to play games with one of the kiddos..
July 26th, 2007 at 11:07 pmNo problems mate.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:07 pmWere the $uck is zep tepi when you need him?
July 26th, 2007 at 11:07 pmHave a great evening, JG. :)
July 26th, 2007 at 11:07 pmIf JG saw this, you will escape the wrath of Zooey.
Comment by Zehava — July 26, 2007 @ 11:06 pm
Zooey who?
July 26th, 2007 at 11:07 pmLOL, JG saw it. I am safe from the Zoomaster. Oy vey.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:08 pmZooey Zehava goyim so and so.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:11 pmMr. Pee makes my head hurt.
He is so askeerrrrd of the “Moslems” that he is ready to throw the Constitution out the window.
It’s hard for me to wrap my mind around that.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:12 pmZooey who?
Comment by Egreggious — July 26, 2007 @ 11:07 pm
You know, that crazy libtroll.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:13 pmEggy, Christians love to tell us what a majority they are…and they are pu$$ies when it comes to Muslims. Scared as kittens. Cute.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:14 pmI forget the name of the crazy Zoo alias!! She was funny. Started with a Z I think.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:15 pmHe is so askeerrrrd of the “Moslems†that he is ready to throw the Constitution out the window.
It’s hard for me to wrap my mind around that.
Comment by Egreggious
It’s the trolls’ fearful attitude that is the terrorists’ goal. Their fear validates the terrorists actions, in a really sick way.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:15 pmNope, Yenta, great woman :)
July 26th, 2007 at 11:15 pmEggy, Christians love to tell us what a majority they are…and they are pu$$ies when it comes to Muslims. Scared as kittens. Cute.
Comment by JPark — July 26, 2007 @ 11:14 pm
911 was a horrendous event. And vengeance is a powerful “emotion”. Even when it is misdirected.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:16 pm(m12=my IQ=12 ) breaking news! Approval ratings; Congress=37% and Bush=23%. Bush now has lowest approval rating of any president ever in history. Faux ? news reports only morons now support him. People having sex with their siblings were not counted in the poll or brother- sister( you know what).
July 26th, 2007 at 11:16 pmNope, Yenta, great woman :)
Comment by JPark
Ahhh, Yenta. Nearly as whacked as her creator. I should ring up the old dahlink.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:17 pmNope, Yenta, great woman :)
Comment by JPark
If I recall correctly, Yenta had you going once upon a time. :D
July 26th, 2007 at 11:18 pmIt’s the trolls’ fearful attitude that is the terrorists’ goal. Their fear validates the terrorists actions, in a really sick way.
Comment by Zehava — July 26, 2007 @ 11:15 pm
If the terrorists want our country to be undermined, the best way to do so is for us to abandon our covenant with the Constitution. This country will crumble if we do so.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:18 pmSure it was, Eggy. It does not let them off the hook for being thoughtless violent beings rather than thinking human beings.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:19 pmYeah, Yenta came as a surprise to me :)
July 26th, 2007 at 11:19 pm911 was a horrendous event. And vengeance is a powerful “emotionâ€. Even when it is misdirected.
Comment by Egreggious
It’s not vengeance, not primarily, it’s fear. Much more dangerous.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:19 pmYes, I am back, for at least this post.
This was too important to not post this breaking news.
Looks like Pat Tillman was murdered, and it was covered up
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2007/07/26/ap3958728.html
They murdered a fellow Ranger and I am pissed off as hell.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:20 pmComment by Joefriday — July 26, 2007 @ 11:16 pm
Is this a real poll?
July 26th, 2007 at 11:20 pmIf the terrorists want our country to be undermined, the best way to do so is for us to abandon our covenant with the Constitution. This country will crumble if we do so.
Comment by Egreggious
Yes, we destroy ourselves from within — the terrorists win not only the battle, but the war.
Oy, 90 degrees, cool enough to make a little dinner….back in a bit.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:21 pmIt is amazing that they don’t realize they are following Darwin’s theory to letter.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:21 pmComment by Wayne — July 26, 2007 @ 11:20 pm
America will not stand for this!
July 26th, 2007 at 11:22 pmThey murdered a fellow Ranger and I am pissed off as hell.
Comment by Wayne
Hey Wayne. Wondering what had become of you.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:23 pmWar is hell.
Sheer hell.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:25 pmIt’s not vengeance, not primarily, it’s fear. Much more dangerous.
Comment by Zehava — July 26, 2007 @ 11:19 pm
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What are talking about?
Fear is an instinctive life preserver for all animals!!!!!
July 26th, 2007 at 11:25 pmNice try, Repuke troll.
Trying to hijack “troll”.
Lame atttempt by another dimwitted Repuke troll.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:25 pmHey Wayne. Wondering what had become of you.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
I was boycotting TP for banning some regular posters and not trolls like sh*thead Mr.Pee heh
July 26th, 2007 at 11:25 pmMr. President, you forget, we have no connection to animals according to the right.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:30 pmI was boycotting TP for banning some regular posters and not trolls like sh*thead Mr.Pee heh
Comment by Wayne
I can understand that. Some trolls are so frickin’ loathesome it defies description, but some nights, like last, we manage to run ‘em outta here!
As far as TP goes, uh, not sure what to say. It was rather strange here for a while. Still gets taht way from time to time. I’m an ornery cuss. I refuse to give into trolls.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:30 pmahhhhhhhhhHHHH!!
July 26th, 2007 at 11:30 pmThey murdered a fellow Ranger and I am pissed off as hell.
Comment by Wayne — July 26, 2007 @ 11:20 pm
OMG Wayne, I hadn’t heard about this. This is devastating.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:30 pmWhat are talking about?
Fear is an instinctive life preserver for all animals!!!!!
Comment by Mr. President
Stop being such a simpleton.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:31 pmOMG Wayne, I hadn’t heard about this. This is devastating.
Comment by Zehava
Just broke on AP about 7:30 ET tonight.
Someone has to pay. Bush is involved because he tried covering it up under Executive Privilidge. Bush is an accessory to murder, for participating in the cover-up.
Shot in the forehead 3 times with an M16 from less than 10 yards away. That was no accident as was claimed, he was executed.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:36 pmStop being such a simpleton.
Comment by Zehava — July 26, 2007 @ 11:31 pm
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Um… this is basic psychology here, Zoo.
Do I need to provide a link to the Lefty Encyclopedia (Wikipedia)?
July 26th, 2007 at 11:39 pmShot in the forehead 3 times with an M16 from less than 10 yards away. That was no accident as was claimed, he was executed.
Comment by Wayne — July 26, 2007 @ 11:36 pm
Now we know why he used the EP! Conspiracy, accessory after the fact….wow.
I’ll believe the forensic docs before I believe anyone in this admin or anyone who was there.
Thanks for coming back and letting us know about this, Wayne. We’ve missed you.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:40 pmThat was no accident as was claimed, he was executed.
Comment by Wayne
There has been a bad odor around this one right from the start, and it’s only getting worse.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:40 pmDo I need to provide a link to the Lefty Encyclopedia (Wikipedia)?
Comment by Mr. President
Gee. would that be the vaunted “missing link”???
July 26th, 2007 at 11:41 pmUm… this is basic psychology here, Zoo.
Do I need to provide a link to the Lefty Encyclopedia (Wikipedia)?
Comment by Mr. President — July 26, 2007 @ 11:39 pm
Basic psychology refers to necessary fear, useful fear — you trolls, and 25% of this country, have ventured into phobialand. That’s not natural. It’s deadly.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:41 pmYeah, Primus, Wikipedia is so lefty. I hope that was a joke.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:42 pmhttp://www.forbes.com/ feeds/ ap/ 2007/ 07/ 26/ ap3958728.html
They murdered a fellow Ranger and I am pissed off as hell.
Comment by Wayne
Wow… just read the article. Man, that’s UGLY.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:44 pmMr. President, you forget, we have no connection to animals according to the right.
Comment by JPark — July 26, 2007 @ 11:30 pm
July 26th, 2007 at 11:44 pm———————————————
I haven’t heard that one. However, now that I think about it, I believe some insects, namely ants, will keep marching right into a fire. There are most likely other examples of fearless/oblivious creatures, however, the “higher animals” usually have the innate drive of self-preservation.
Thanks for coming back and letting us know about this, Wayne. We’ve missed you.
Comment by Zehava
I’ve missed you guys =)
( Not you Mr “kissing Bush’s a$$” Pee Brain )
July 26th, 2007 at 11:44 pmZehava,
willyloman wrote me that he will know you by your squiggly straw.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:45 pmLOL, ants=Republicans.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:45 pmNot fearless, just stupid.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:46 pmYou’re stupider than you are left.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:47 pmwillyloman wrote me that he will know you by your squiggly straw.
Comment by Egreggious
He better!! Where’s he been?
July 26th, 2007 at 11:47 pmwillyloman wrote me that he will know you by your squiggly straw.
Comment by Egreggious
Ooooh… Mr Cheze Pufes… isn’t that special?
July 26th, 2007 at 11:47 pmZoom in, would you like to say something less profound?
July 26th, 2007 at 11:47 pmYou’re stupider than you are left.
Comment by Zoom in
Meaningless comment from someone determined to be hostile…
July 26th, 2007 at 11:48 pmI’ve missed you guys =)
( Not you Mr “kissing Bush’s a$$†Pee Brain )
Comment by Wayne
:-)
July 26th, 2007 at 11:48 pmBasic psychology refers to necessary fear, useful fear — you trolls, and 25% of this country, have ventured into phobialand. That’s not natural. It’s deadly.
Comment by Zehava — July 26, 2007 @ 11:41 pm
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Um… okay.
Wait…
WHAT?!?!
When did you become my psychologist?
July 26th, 2007 at 11:48 pmComment by Wayne — July 26, 2007 @ 11:44 pm
Hi, Wayne. This angers the hell out of me, too. I have always had the utmost respect for you Rangers. We used to joke in the Air Force that we were smarter because we had the sense not to jump out of a perfectly good airplane. But the truth, for most of us, I’m sure, was that we respect you guys because you have the courage to jump out of a perfectly good airplane. That’s one of the reasons many of us chose to go into the Air Force. If y ou and your team did your jobs right, you’d never have to do that. (Unless you were in a Combat Comm squad.)
There was a General who attended the funeral who knew that this was a case of fraticide. I wonder how much of the details he knew at that time? Did he know it was murder, or just that one of our own killed another of our own?
July 26th, 2007 at 11:49 pmHe better!! Where’s he been?
Comment by Zehava — July 26, 2007 @ 11:47 pm
Just blogging, I guess. He has some interesting perspective on Gonzogate.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:50 pmWhen did you become my psychologist?
Comment by Mr. President
I’ve always been your psychologist — pay up or die.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:50 pm#223 confuses me. Who is writing to who?
July 26th, 2007 at 11:52 pmWhen did you become my psychologist?
Comment by Mr. President
What’s really needed here is a quality psychoproctologist…
Calling Doctor Jellyfinger, calling Dr Jellyfinger…
July 26th, 2007 at 11:54 pmLooks like C&L put up a story on it too. Good, It’s gonna be talked about in Washington in the morning.
Head had better roll.
This veteran is pissed as hell and my ex-squadmates that have emailed me tonight are furious too.
A whole f*cking lot Pissed-off Rangers are not gonna be a pretty sight.
( Like Marines, even retired we are still Rangers )
I am going to be calling my old Lieutenant Colonel in the morning and see what the f*ck is going to be done about this from the Army side.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:55 pmThen I am calling my congresscritters and yell at them, very loudly.
“Wayne Schneider” is speaking to “wayne”, a different person.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:55 pm#223 confuses me. Who is writing to who?
Comment by Egreggious
Wayne is writing to Wayne, of course. :)
July 26th, 2007 at 11:55 pmI am going to be calling my old Lieutenant Colonel in the morning and see what the f*ck is going to be done about this from the Army side.
Then I am calling my congresscritters and yell at them, very loudly.
Comment by Wayne
I just finished the story. This goes clear up the line. Jesus….
July 26th, 2007 at 11:57 pmJust blogging, I guess. He has some interesting perspective on Gonzogate.
Comment by Egreggious
Thanks, Egg. Heading over to willy’s for a few….
July 26th, 2007 at 11:58 pmMr. P and other repugs expect everyone to give up their rights because of the enemy we fight. The idiot Glenn Beck said today that we should just have a drive through justice system. One where they drive the two alleged killers in CT up to one window and execute them at the next. In their world everyone is presumed guilty.
If I had my choice of enemies I would prefer taking my chances with the terrorists…at least they’re straight up with their hate.
July 26th, 2007 at 11:58 pmWe used to joke in the Air Force that we were smarter because we had the sense not to jump out of a perfectly good airplane. But the truth, for most of us, I’m sure, was that we respect you guys because you have the courage to jump out of a perfectly good airplane.
It takes a certain amount of crazy to jump, especially into a firefight. LOL
There was a General who attended the funeral who knew that this was a case of fraticide. I wonder how much of the details he knew at that time? Did he know it was murder, or just that one of our own killed another of our own?
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
They burned his diary, clothes anf belongings, which his brother has blogged had some evidence of criminal doings. His brother is also a Ranger.
Pat was also a celebrity who could have gotten MSM attention if he had a chance to speak out.
The coverup went all the way to the White House.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:02 amComment by Wayne — July 26, 2007 @ 11:55 pm
The entire military and their families will not like this one bit.
Nor will any decent American.
It’s one of those cases where you want to throw the Constitution out the window and storm the White House.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:02 amMost trolls here insist that the general public will think that the dems are inneffective becaust the thugs have tied them up. I don’t think the general public is that stupid. All of the chickens coming home to roost are clearly from eggs laid by the thugs. The general public is being frustrated by the BA just as much as the Congress is being frustrated. Mr. Peepee and his gang of idiots can laugh and play games, but when the chickens have all settled in, they’ll be the first to disown their party and their creedo, because they are cowardly instigators. Already, neocon acquaintences of mine (who used to shout-down BA detractors, as if he who yells the loudest or acts the cockiest has won the debate) cringe and quickly change the subject when their past claims to superior political ideology are mentioned. As the old chestnut goes, a fool and his money are soon parted. The fools that voted the asshat and his cronies into office (twice!) are starting to understand that they are not part of the club, and have been rankly abused.
God it feels great to have been right from the get-go.
Go ahead Mr. Peepee, fling your neocon pig crap all over America. The only person who has to live with you permanently is you. If you can’t stand the thought, or when that day comes, you can always open a vein.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:04 am“Wayne Schneider†is speaking to “wayneâ€, a different person.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 26, 2007 @ 11:55 pm
Wayne is writing to Wayne, of course. :)
Comment by Zehava — July 26, 2007 @ 11:55 pm
From one vet to an even braver vet. Wayne, thank you for your service to our country. I could never imagine myself doing what you did, and I salute you for it, sir. All I did was fix AFSatCom equipment from I’m not allowed to say where (only meant to keep me out of trouble, not to sound impressive; it wasn’t ).
July 27th, 2007 at 12:04 amCareful about saying that. Fox Security will turn you in to the great big talking head of Falafel Boy.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:04 amHey Egreggious? Did they just take a post out?
July 27th, 2007 at 12:05 amNo, there it is. My bad. Paranoid.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:06 amGood evening, Mr Cobb. :)
July 27th, 2007 at 12:11 amHey Egreggious? Did they just take a post out?
Comment by Lee J. Cobb — July 27, 2007 @ 12:05 am
Posts have a way of disappearing and reappearing here. That’s why I learned to not reference posts by number (even though I just did that).
July 27th, 2007 at 12:12 amGot your squiggly straw, young lady? I have a half a box o wine.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:12 amGod it feels great to have been right from the get-go.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius — July 27, 2007 @ 12:04 am
I know, but try to get them to admit it. The proof is finally uncovered, and yet they will not accept the fact that they were wrong about the way the world should be run.
I think the primary flaw in their thinking is that they think that everyone else ibnt the world will approach the solution to a problem in the same way that they would, and treat everyone else as such. And when the opposition to them turns out to have the facts on their side, rather than attack their own beliefs, they attack their attackers. They cannot accept that the model upon which their socio-political philosophy is based is incorrect.
In short, they forget that we all need each other in order to survive. They just feel that you are entitled to make your own life better as payment for helping another human being out. They do not believe in altruism, as there is no money in it, and nothing material to be gained for yourself.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:12 amHi all, just finished my game with son and poking my head in before I head to bed. Just read the Tillman article.
Read this on C&L:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/07/26/breaking-horrific-twist-in-pat-tillman-investigation/
Also, I remember reading that Pat Tillman had arranged to meet with Noam Chomsky when he returned from Afghanistan. I wonder if that played into this.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:13 amhttp://www.thehumanist.org/humanist/articles/Niman.JanFeb06.html
“Tillman, we now know, was also in contact with one of his favorite authors, America’s leading intellectual dissident, Noam Chomsky. According the Chronicle, Tillman had set up a meeting with Chomsky to take place when he returned from Afghanistan, where he eventually wound up after serving his tour in Iraq.”
Comment by Zehava — July 27, 2007 @ 12:11 am
How did you know about Cobb? Is it a literary reference or something I’m not getting.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:13 amPosts have a way of disappearing and reappearing here. That’s why I learned to not reference posts by number (even though I just did that).
Comment by Egreggious — July 27, 2007 @ 12:12 am
Actually, it looks like you referenced it by the time stamp, which I find most helpful. It tells someone exactly where the post should be found, instead of searching through everry post to find the frame of reference. I personally favor seeing more posters use this method, but I can’t demand it of them. Some trolls like to omit that information in order to make you waste your time. I won’t name any, except to say that I am not thinking of anyone here in particular.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:15 amGot your squiggly straw, young lady? I have a half a box o wine.
Comment by Lee J. Cobb — July 27, 2007 @ 12:12 am
Heh. Squiggly straw at the ready, sir.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:15 amGoogle has answered my question.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:15 amStage reference, Egg. (thanks for the comment)
July 27th, 2007 at 12:15 amIn short, they forget that we all need each other in order to survive. They just feel that you are entitled to make your own life better as payment for helping another human being out. They do not believe in altruism, as there is no money in it, and nothing material to be gained for yourself.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
Well stated, Wayne. Fantastic.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:16 amyou can always open a vein.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius — July 27, 2007 @ 12:04 am
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July 27th, 2007 at 12:16 amcool!
How did you know about Cobb? Is it a literary reference or something I’m not getting.
Comment by Egreggious
He played a certain salesman role…
July 27th, 2007 at 12:17 amUnfortunately Wayne, the more they run the Government like a corporation the more we will see this type of behavior. The corporate model is designed to opperate in direct opposition to human empathy.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:18 amComment by JG — July 27, 2007 @ 12:13 am
I heard he was meeting with someone, but I never knew it was Chomsky. Wow, he really was fragged.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:20 amI feel guilty thinking in terms of political gain but, if this Tillman story goes where it looks like it’s going, this is the end of Bush and Cheney, and possibly the Iraq War as well.
America will get that this is wrong, very, very, wrong.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:20 ams
July 27th, 2007 at 12:21 amThere’s my least favorite letter.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:22 amWhat’s the details of the story Egg? Lat I heard they covered up burning his uniform because the powder burns might show he was shot from close range and that the General and even the Administration staff knew it was FF before they made the recruitment drive speech.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:22 amNot putting much effort into the fake names these days are you Mr. President?
And by the way, it’s a Constitutional Representative Republic. That first word is what makes it unique. But you’re a true American, you knew that.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:24 amEveryone, please ignore the “s” troll.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:25 amThere’s some links to the story above. I actually haven’t read them thoroughly yet.
(For the record, I was actually the one who scooped this story at TP, and briefly linked to it earlier. I just want credit for something around here. Wayne always gets all the credit.)
*weeping*
July 27th, 2007 at 12:25 amComment by Zehava — July 27, 2007 @ 12:16 am
Thank you. It’s just how I feel. I’m not always that lucid.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:26 am*weeping*
Comment by Egreggious
Awwww, I’m sorry. I didn’t see it…
July 27th, 2007 at 12:27 amFrom one vet to an even braver vet. Wayne, thank you for your service to our country. I could never imagine myself doing what you did, and I salute you for it, sir. All I did was fix AFSatCom equipment from I’m not allowed to say where (only meant to keep me out of trouble, not to sound impressive; it wasn’t ).
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
A few things I can’t talk about either, know how that is =)
I never thought of myself as brave. Just a guy doing his job. I had always been kind of an adrenaline junkie as well. Things like Parachuting, riding rapids, etc.
Frankly, real combat always scared the sh*t out of me. Anyone that claims it doesn’t either was never there or is section 8 material. That fear, if you don’t let it control you, keeps you alive and reacting when needed.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:27 amI’m not always that lucid.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 27, 2007 @ 12:26 am
You are one of the finest writers here. Clear, intelligent, organized. You amaze me.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:28 amCool! Cool! So, what are you waiting for?
July 27th, 2007 at 12:28 amMy least favorite letter is W.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:28 amWell, whoever said that this could be the last straw, may be onto something. The American People will not tollerate the willfull misuse of the name of a fallen soldier who gave his life for this country. Especially if they did it to further their own greedy agenda.
Isn’t that right, Mr. Pee?
July 27th, 2007 at 12:29 amThank you. It’s just how I feel. I’m not always that lucid.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
I’ve got that comment bookmarked. Pure gold.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:29 amMy least favorite letter is W.
Comment by Tom3 — July 27, 2007 @ 12:28 am
A+
July 27th, 2007 at 12:30 amsorry. couldn’t help that one. slipped, don’t ya know.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:30 amFrankly, real combat always scared the sh*t out of me. Anyone that claims it doesn’t either was never there or is section 8 material. That fear, if you don’t let it control you, keeps you alive and reacting when needed.
Comment by Wayne — July 27, 2007 @ 12:27 am
Mr Pee and the trolls need to read that, Wayne.
And where are they? Never where they ought to be….
July 27th, 2007 at 12:31 amIsn’t that right, Mr. Pee?
Comment by Lee J. Cobb — July 27, 2007 @ 12:29 am
Ouch!
July 27th, 2007 at 12:31 amAnd where are they? Never where they ought to be….
Comment by Zehava — July 27, 2007 @ 12:31 am
Usually you can’t even move, there’s so many of them underfoot.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:31 am(For the record, I was actually the one who scooped this story at TP, and briefly linked to it earlier. I just want credit for something around here. Wayne always gets all the credit.)
*weeping*
Comment by Egreggious
Aww, you can have the credit.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:32 amNever be it said I took credit from someone else. =)
I was just really pissed when I posted.
Usually you can’t even move, there’s so many of them underfoot.
Comment by Egreggious — July 27, 2007 @ 12:31 am
Either s is compiling one of those massive spam comments, or he ran away sniveling.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:33 amhe’s looking up Cobb. Since I know who he is, he wants to return the favor.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:35 amWhen they’re underfoot…
Its STOMPIN’ time!!
July 27th, 2007 at 12:35 amThat fear, if you don’t let it control you, keeps you alive and reacting when needed.
Comment by Wayne — July 27, 2007 @ 12:27 am
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I agree:
July 27th, 2007 at 12:35 am
How’s your health, Cobb?
July 27th, 2007 at 12:36 amAll, right, maybe I should change my name, too? Any suggestions?
BTW, I’ve always respected Lee J. Cobb as an actor. Apparently an excellent writer, too, as we’ve discovered! Besides the discussed role, he was also excellent in “12 Angry Men” (”And a Baby”) :D
July 27th, 2007 at 12:36 amBetter. How are the Bee People treating you, Egg?
July 27th, 2007 at 12:36 amHow are the Bee People treating you, Egg?
Comment by Lee J. Cobb — July 27, 2007 @ 12:36 am
I’m askeerrrdd. But apparently that’s a good thing.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:37 amHi Jane. 12 Angry Men. Wow. I hadn’t thought of that script in a while. That’s a good play. Didn’t they just revive it on Broadway a couple years back?
July 27th, 2007 at 12:38 amGood to hear from you, Jane.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:38 amI’m askeerrrdd. But apparently that’s a good thing.
Comment by Egreggious
The Bee People will probe you if you show fear.
Maybe that’s a good thing.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:39 amThank you. It’s just how I feel. I’m not always that lucid.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
Your writing is awsome.
And much more eloquent than mine.
I tend to tell trolls to bluntly just go Cheney themselves lmao
July 27th, 2007 at 12:39 amComment by Mr. President — July 27, 2007 @ 12:35 am
The operative phrase being “if you don’t let it control you.”
You and your kind are ruled by fear.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:40 amAll, right, maybe I should change my name, too? Any suggestions?
Jane. How about my next favorite play, Major Barbara?
July 27th, 2007 at 12:40 amAll, right, maybe I should change my name, too? Any suggestions?
Comment by Jane E. Schneider — July 27, 2007 @ 12:36 am
How about “Big Baby Jesus?” :D
July 27th, 2007 at 12:41 amI tend to tell trolls to bluntly just go Cheney themselves lmao
Comment by Wayne — July 27, 2007 @ 12:39 am
Me too, but Wayne A.S. has a way of making them want to find a way to do it.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:43 amEvening all… anyone want a slice of vintage, aged-to-perfection, gormet Velveeta? Circa 1986? It’s “a food-like substance” heaven!
July 27th, 2007 at 12:44 ammmmmmmmm…foood like substances……aggghhhhhhh…….
does that come with a dusty donut?
July 27th, 2007 at 12:45 amThe closer anyone gets to real,the more sewage there is to filter.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:46 amStay focused.
Remeber the objective is show the criminal conspiracy.We already know about the sewage problem.
All these side shows are indicative of the whole factory operation.
The prodcut that comes from this factory is sewage.All the machines in the factory are part of the same process of manufacturing sewage.Nothing but sewage.This factory makes sewage.It cannot make anything else.It was built to manufacture sewage.
All the different pieces of sewage making machinery are not worth spending time with.
This ag show has been over for a long time.
Remember while we play with the sewage the heist goes on and they continue to win.
Don’t get distracted.Please don’t stay distracted.I know it’s tempting.
does that come with a dusty donut?
Comment by Lee J. Cobb
Indeed, and a complimentary box of “Fix-All” brand white wine!
July 27th, 2007 at 12:46 amDid any of you see that film about the Zionist Christians that had Rick Santorum and Joe L? It was on one of these sites (Huffpo)?
July 27th, 2007 at 12:47 amI agree:
Fear is an instinctive life preserver for all animals!!!!!
Comment by Mr. President
You are willing to give up your rights and everyone elses because of your fear. Not the same thing at all.
I fought for the Constitution, I gave an oath to defend the same. That is why the Constitution trashing Bush makes me sick and pissed as hell. As do his supporters.
“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.” –Benjamin Franklin (1706–1790)
July 27th, 2007 at 12:47 amYou and your kind are ruled by fear.
Comment by Zehava — July 27, 2007 @ 12:40 am
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That’s how my kind (human-beings) have survived.
natural instincts: hunger, sex, fear.
Self-preservation.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:47 amHey, Egg, and everyone!
I agree with Jeannie See (way back aroung #15), I predict a claim of “executive privilege”; at that point, I think, Congress is going to have to make the big decision to really, FINALLY, do their job. Start impeachment proceedings against Gonzales; seriously persist with the “criminal comtempt” against Harriet Miers and Josh Bolten; and go for the “inherent contempt” against BushCo.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:48 amThanks, Wayne, and Zehava, too, and everyone else. Sometimes you’re in the groove and it just comes through as natural as can be; as clear as it sounds in your head when you thought of it. I’ve seen it all of you at one time or another. You’ve all had some excellent things to say and said them well. Most of the time we joke around, but when the passion comes through, the words I’ve seen written here (by others, not me) are as moving as anything anyone ever wrote, from any genre. But thank you again. I better watch myself. I don’t want to stay up all night again and get yelled at by my mother.
And I know how that sounds. For the record, I moved her in with me, not the other way around. And I love her and I’m going to make sure she’s okay, and that’s just the way it is. And I’ve gotten her to read these threads, so “Hi, Mom. You caught me!”
July 27th, 2007 at 12:49 amThat’s how my kind (human-beings) have survived.
natural instincts: hunger, sex, fear.
Self-preservation.
Comment by Mr. President — July 27, 2007 @ 12:47 am
And intelligence.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:51 amMe too, but Wayne A.S. has a way of making them want to find a way to do it.
Comment by Zehava — July 27, 2007 @ 12:43 am
ROFL. :D. Thanks. Just trying to do my part for Literacy.
Give a hoot!
Read a book!
July 27th, 2007 at 12:51 amdoes that come with a dusty donut?
Comment by Lee J. Cobb
Indeed, and a complimentary box of “Fix-All†brand white wine!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
***looks around***
Someone mentioned Donuts and Wine?
July 27th, 2007 at 12:52 amAnd intelligence.
Comment by Egreggious — July 27, 2007 @ 12:51 am
July 27th, 2007 at 12:53 am————————————
I would call that a capacity, not an instinct.
Goodnight, W.A.S.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:53 amFINALLY, do their job. Start impeachment proceedings against Gonzales; seriously persist with the “criminal comtempt†against Harriet Miers and Josh Bolten; and go for the “inherent contempt†against BushCo.
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
Geez, that looks like my Christmas wish list. I sure hope Sanity is listenin’…
Aw… I know… there ain’t no Sanity Clause!
Just kiddin’… this Tillman thing is so freakin’ ugly it might be the final straw so to speak. First murder, and then an incredibly involved, wide-ranging cover-up, all whilst using the dead soldier’s name to continue selling this abomination? It’s almost beyond belief. Is this really what our country has become?
July 27th, 2007 at 12:53 amOff topic. This is a story that every American must see.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:54 amhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/26/AR2007072602025.html
…about the close proximity of the three bullet holes in Pat Tillman’s forehead …
…was cut down by an M-16 fired from a mere 10 yards or so away.
Comment by Wayne — July 26, 2007 @ 11:20 pm
3 holes in the forehead (which is a very small area) from 10 yards away? Is that easy to do?
July 27th, 2007 at 12:54 amGee, uh, thanks for the suggestions, guys. I was thinking along the lines of “JaneTheIntelligentSlut”, or something. ;-)
July 27th, 2007 at 12:54 amSomeone mentioned Donuts and Wine?
Comment by Wayne
It’s nature’s perfect meal!
July 27th, 2007 at 12:54 amI would call that a capacity, not an instinct.
Comment by Mr. President — July 27, 2007 @ 12:53 am
Sorry. I was referring to this statement:
“That’s how my kind (human-beings) have survived.”
July 27th, 2007 at 12:54 amAnd intelligence.
Comment by Egreggious
And unrestricted free-trade argeements with 3rd world countries for unsupervised business friendly work envirnments and unsafe eccological desimation.
Whoopie! Gooooooo Profit!
July 27th, 2007 at 12:54 amIs that easy to do?
Comment by Juan C
Only if you’re trying really, really hard…
July 27th, 2007 at 12:55 amExecutive Privilege??? Not on these.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:56 amHave fun picking Gonzo’s carcass limb from limb.
Have fun picking Gonzo’s carcass limb from limb.
Comment by RUCerious
I can’t help but feel it will be rancid. Best left to the trolls.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:57 amGoodnight, W.A.S.
Comment by Egreggious — July 27, 2007 @ 12:53 am
I am 47, and I can stay up as late as I want to. And I can remind her whose house she’s living in, too! :D
I still have to go to work tomorrow, but I did have a nap when I finally got home today (crashed?), so I have a little energy. I just have to watch the time. Maybe I’ll get lucky and the Muse will not have left. :)
July 27th, 2007 at 12:59 amThat’s how my kind (human-beings) have survived.
natural instincts: hunger, sex, fear.
Self-preservation.
Comment by Mr. President — July 27, 2007 @ 12:47 am
No. You are ruled by an unnatural fear. Read Wayne’s comment again.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:59 amSelf-preservation.
Comment by Mr. President
Locking yourself in a cage and giving the keys to a meglomaniac is not my idea of self preservation. Taking rights and liberty away by shreading the constitution is just that.
You are sheep, willing to go into that . cage.
If they try force me to go into that cage, they will have to kill me first. I will not willingly give up my rights without a fight. Be it politically, with my freedom of speech, and god forbid if it ever gets that far, defending my Liberty and even yours, my scared little troll, with my own death
July 27th, 2007 at 1:00 ammmm…Wayne, I dont know much about this, but do you think US soldiers would have killed Tillman for whatever reason?
My guess, completely ignorant about the issue, is that he was killed by the insurgency and authorities sought to make it appear a glorifying episode in the struggle against “evil”. Like the one they did with a girl that was rescued from supposedly Muslim captors or whatever.
Just like the fraudulent “thin man behind the barb wire” cover of Newsweek.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:00 amComment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 27, 2007 @ 12:59 am
Geesh, maybe I’m the one who should call it a night. I got the impression from your post you were leaving. I had to go back and re-read it.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:01 amIt’s almost beyond belief. Is this really what our country has become?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Did you know that White Phospherous was used in the battle for Fallujah?
Do you know what effects the gas that is expelled has on people?
I think we have to indict these people now and take ever stinking document right to Congress.
But lets not forget the other victoms of this crime. Maybe we should get a little indignate about them too.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:01 amThat’s how my kind (human-beings) have survived.
Comment by Mr. President
How nice of him to include himself in the human race. Comments, anyone?
July 27th, 2007 at 1:01 am***looks around***
Someone mentioned Donuts and Wine?
Comment by Wayne — July 27, 2007 @ 12:52 am
Are they trying to lure YOU in now…? :D
July 27th, 2007 at 1:02 amJust like the fraudulent “thin man behind the barb wire†cover of Newsweek.
Comment by Juan C
That really doesn’t seem to fit the facts coming forth, Juan.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:02 amI would call that a capacity, not an instinct.
Comment by Mr. President — July 27, 2007 @ 12:53 am
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Sorry. I was referring to this statement:
“That’s how my kind (human-beings) have survived.â€
Comment by Egreggious — July 27, 2007 @ 12:54 am
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Oh.
Still, without the equiprimordial, innate drives, intelligence is inconsequential.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:02 amHow nice of him to include himself in the human race. Comments, anyone?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 27, 2007 @ 1:01 am
I think it’s cute when he plays Pretend.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:03 amI am 47, and I can stay up as late as I want to. And I can remind her whose house she’s living in, too! :D
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 27, 2007 @ 12:59 am
Wayne, I know it’s your house, but please…..tell me you’re not in the basement.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:04 amStill, without the equiprimordial, innate drives, intelligence is inconsequential.
Comment by Mr. President — July 27, 2007 @ 1:02 am
Please see my previous comment.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:04 amYou are ruled by an unnatural fear.
Comment by Zehava — July 27, 2007 @ 12:59 am
July 27th, 2007 at 1:05 am————————————
How do you figure?
Did you know that White Phospherous was used in the battle for Fallujah?
Yes…
Do you know what effects the gas that is expelled has on people?
Doesn’t it eat the flesh right off the bones?
I think we have to indict these people now and take ever stinking document right to Congress.
I was for this months, if not yrs ago. That’s why I come here. So I don’t feel so alone in this nightmare.
But lets not forget the other victoms of this crime. Maybe we should get a little indignate about them too.
You mean the multiple hundreds of thousands of Iraqis slaughtered w/out a thought?
Comment by Lee J. Cobb
If I weren’t as old as I am, I’d be crying, Lee J. As it is, I’m close.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:05 amIs that easy to do?
Comment by Juan C
I still can bounce a can with a 9mm pistol, emtying the clip and hit it every time, rapid fire.
Hitting something that close with a rifle is too easy. You are right on top of the target. With a rifle that close I wouldn’t even have to aim, just point and shoot.
He was murdered, executed.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:06 amThat really doesn’t seem to fit the facts coming forth, Juan.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
What do you think?
July 27th, 2007 at 1:06 amintelligence is inconsequential.
Comment by Mr. President
…some may see it that way.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:06 amThe mouse, lacking any real intelligence, steps right into the mousetrap in its quest to satisfy hunger.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:06 amThat’s what I’m talking about Mr Pee.
We will fight to stay out of the cage — you volunteer to go inside.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:06 amComment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 27, 2007 @ 12:53 am
You’re right, this is an incredibly abhorrent incident that should truly expose to all Americans just how tyrannical this cabal running/ruining our country is. Hopefully even the 25%ers will finally be convinced.
There was a story in “The Nation” several months ago about Tillman’s death, where they interviewed Kevin Tillman. That was where I first heard about Pat’s uniform and everything being burned.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:06 amHe was murdered, executed.
Comment by Wayne
Motive?
July 27th, 2007 at 1:07 amPlease see my previous comment.
Comment by Egreggious — July 27, 2007 @ 1:04 am
*Yawn*
July 27th, 2007 at 1:07 amintelligence is inconsequential.
Comment by Mr. President
tell that to the 70 million y/o dinosaur reign.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:08 amHow do you figure?
Comment by Mr. President — July 27, 2007 @ 1:05 am
Read very comment you ever made on this blog regarding Muslims — or anyone not you.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:08 amWhat do you think?
Comment by Juan C
If the facts presented in the article are true – 3 closely grouped shots in the forehead, no evidence of hostiles anywhere near the death scene – I’d call it a deliberate execution.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:09 amyou volunteer to go inside.
Comment by Zehava — July 27, 2007 @ 1:06 am
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Ha!
Zooey, I thought you knew,
I’m not a follower.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:09 amLee,
I agree with you that Fallujah was a great tragedy. Unfortunately, I’m not sure a lot of Americans have much empathy for Muslims.
But an American football hero, well, the public will have the heads of those responsible for his death.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:10 amMotive?
Comment by Juan C — July 27, 2007 @ 1:07 am
He had a meeting set up with Noam Chomsky, upon his return from Afghanistan….
July 27th, 2007 at 1:10 amI’m not a follower.
Comment by Mr. President — July 27, 2007 @ 1:09 am
Stop kidding yourself, sheep.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:11 amMy guess, completely ignorant about the issue, is that he was killed by the insurgency and authorities sought to make it appear a glorifying episode in the struggle against “evilâ€.
Comment by Juan C
He was shot at close range 3 times in the forehead with an M16. Not an Chinese made AK47 that the Taliban had/has, an M16, US Army Issue.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:11 amI think it’s cute when he plays Pretend.
Comment by Egreggious
Kind of like a chimpanzee in diapers?
July 27th, 2007 at 1:11 amIf I weren’t as old as I am, I’d be crying, Lee J. As it is, I’m close.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
If you tell people as they grow up that America stands for something..something honest and beautiful and free.
Some of those people grow up and out of a true sense of patriotism and honor they join up to defend these things and our country.
I cannot begin to understand how someone would have such deeply rooted feelings of patriotism, and then find themselves in this fiasco… waking up to the reality of what this administration has done to the military.
We need to do what ever it takes to bring our soldiers home.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:13 amStop kidding yourself, sheep.
Comment by Zehava — July 27, 2007 @ 1:11 am
—
July 27th, 2007 at 1:13 amok
Wayne, I know it’s your house, but please…..tell me you’re not in the basement.
Comment by Zehava — July 27, 2007 @ 1:04 am
HELL NO! I try to stay out of my basement as much as possible. It’s an unfinished basement, and it is the Realm of the Spiders. And there’s this one “room” off to the side that’s really dark, with lots of places for the giant ones to hide. I only go down there when I need to.
Actually I’m sitting in what was once the breezeway bwetween the house and the garage my mother now lives in. (It’s been turned into an apartment; she’s not living with my car and garden tools, for chrissakes!) Anyway, I’m in full view of anyone walking by on the street. I’ve got nothing to hide.
Hello, World! Hello, Movie Theater! Hello, you old Savings and Loan! Actually, I’m not in the downtown part of my village anymore, and I don’t live in Bedord Falls, but you get the idea.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:14 amHe had a meeting set up with Noam Chomsky, upon his return from Afghanistan….
Comment by Zehava
Is that all? I mean, Im not defending anyone here and, of course, I wont ever be against you Z or you guys, cause you are far more informed than me, but I mean, how many soldiers would you have to kill in order to keep the silence?
July 27th, 2007 at 1:15 amComment by Zehava — July 27, 2007 @ 1:10 am
That’s what Wayne and I were talking about a few minutes ago. Lee J. Cobb brought that piece of trivia up recently because he’s reading the Chomsky book. LJC, when did Chomsky say he and Tillman had set up their meeting for? Wasn’t it supposed to have been shortly after the “incident”? (BTW, I didn’t have time to read all of the comments on this thread, so I apologize if this has already been discussed.)
July 27th, 2007 at 1:15 amUnfortunately, I’m not sure a lot of Americans have much empathy for Muslims.
Comment by Egreggious — July 27, 2007
It somehow galls me to no end to hear so many talk about the horrible toll this is taking on Americans but never, ever mention the number of irqis killed in this bloodbath, Eg…
July 27th, 2007 at 1:16 amHe had a meeting set up with Noam Chomsky, upon his return from Afghanistan….
Comment by Zehava
Noam Chomsky meets with world leaders and all kinds of big-wigs.
I hate to say it, but not all soldiers would have appriciated him talking to Chomsky, or his anti-Iraq war views.
But there is one thing. I remember an interview with Clinton when he came back from Afganistan he said that a soldier had shown him a list of the Poopy fields they weren’t able to burn our because they were connected with “friendly” tribesman.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:16 amAnd there’s this one “room†off to the side that’s really dark, with lots of places for the giant ones to hide.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 27, 2007 @ 1:14 am
The Bee People!
July 27th, 2007 at 1:17 amComment by Lee J. Cobb — July 27, 2007 @ 1:13 am
Well said. (That’s what I was talking about.)
July 27th, 2007 at 1:18 amHello, World! Hello, Movie Theater! Hello, you old Savings and Loan! Actually, I’m not in the downtown part of my village anymore, and I don’t live in Bedord Falls, but you get the idea.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 27, 2007 @ 1:14 am
Thank goodness, no spider basement. I just had this horrific thought of you blogging from your basement, and your mom upstairs, and I had to get rid of it. :D
July 27th, 2007 at 1:19 amThe Bee People!
Comment by Egreggious — July 27, 2007 @ 1:17 am
:D That’s what I also fear. Killer Bees, with guns and bandaleros!
July 27th, 2007 at 1:19 amComment by Egreggious
I think you underestimate Americans.
They didn’t have much sympathy for the Vietnamese either, until footage aired for 2 days straight of that young kid running down the road with his flesh hanging off.
Once we see what is going on there, this war will end. Hence, no imbedded journalists in Fallujah.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:19 amWhoa! I’m totally enlightened!
Since I stopped kidding myself, I just realized that we are all being played for fools by the EVIL, EVIL US gov’t!
Yeah.
And the EVIL, EVIL NeoCOns, who want Israel to rule the whole middle east… but I love Jewish people, I just hate Israel… you know, their God-given land. We should force them to give it back to the Muslims, because the Muslims say so.
Yeah.
Also, 9 1 1 was an inside job. Yep. The BushCrimeCo ™ pulled a false-flag… I mean… we have some of the most advanced technology in the world, so how could an airplane crash into the Pentagon? It would have been shot down as soon as they realized what was going to happen!!!
Yeah.
Also… anyone who has a different opinion than the one’s I just stated, is a total tool!!!
July 27th, 2007 at 1:19 amI remember an interview with Clinton when he came back from Afganistan he said that a soldier had shown him a list of the Poopy fields they weren’t able to burn our because they were connected with “friendly†tribesman.
Comment by Lee J. Cobb
Oh, oh… I think that something among those lines is very much likely to become a motive to kill him. Im just talking out of my ass (as much of the time) so sorry, if I seem hard-headed with such an obvious painful issue for you, guys.
but never, ever mention the number of irqis killed in this bloodbath, Eg…
July 27th, 2007 at 1:19 amComment by The Republic of Stupidity
They dont do body counts. Enough said.
Oh, I forgot to mention… Noam Chomsky is totally respectable.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:20 amhow many soldiers would you have to kill in order to keep the silence?
Comment by Juan C
I think the problem w/ Tillman was that he was just too high-profile. He had to have been the best-known American soldier on the ground over there, and to have your No 1 poster-boy for patriotism jump up and turn against you? Apparently a fatal move on Mr. Tillman’s part.
This is gonna be an absolutely awesome sh*tstorm comin’ up, folks.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:21 amIt somehow galls me to no end to hear so many talk about the horrible toll this is taking on Americans but never, ever mention the number of irqis killed in this bloodbath, Eg…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 27, 2007 @ 1:16 am
I think it is reprehensible as well, TRoS. Even if our intentions in Iraq had been noble, it still would be a horrible tragedy.
And whether we stay or leave, more will die, probably for quite some time.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:21 amComment by The Enlightened Mr. President
*yawn*
July 27th, 2007 at 1:21 amDown with whitey!
July 27th, 2007 at 1:22 amMotive?
Comment by Juan C
Because, I suspect, Pat was going to speak out against torture and detentions, that were authorized from the highest levels.
As Zehava said he was going to talk about what he saw and already had meetings set up on his return.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:22 amSomeone found out and didn’t like it.
His Brother wrote an article at Truthdig, a must read.
Is that all? I mean, Im not defending anyone here and, of course, I wont ever be against you Z or you guys, cause you are far more informed than me, but I mean, how many soldiers would you have to kill in order to keep the silence?
Comment by Juan C — July 27, 2007 @ 1:15 am
This particular soldier was an huge football star, who left his career to join a fight he believed in. He was disillusioned, and was going to talk to Chomsky. People would listen to his story because of his star quality. He may have been very dangerous….
July 27th, 2007 at 1:22 am“footage aired for 2 days straight of that young kid running down the road with his flesh hanging off.”
Comment by Lee J. Cobb
That was actually a girl. She survived the war and even ended up in the US.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:23 amI call for Chimpeachment!
July 27th, 2007 at 1:24 amOk, TROS, Wayne and Z. Much more clear now.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:24 amhow many soldiers would you have to kill in order to keep the silence?
Comment by Juan C
How many Soldiers are celebrities that could catch the ear of the media?
Hell, I was never interviewed once and I was wounded 3 times in the 9 years I served, in multiple conflicts.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:25 amThe Enlightened Mr. President
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Piss off.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:25 amThere are none so blind as those who will not see.
Piss off.
Comment by Zehava — July 27, 2007 @ 1:25 am
——————
Sheeple.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:26 amCall your Congresspersons!!!
CHIMPEACH!!!
July 27th, 2007 at 1:26 amThat was actually a girl. She survived the war and even ended up in the US.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 27, 2007 @ 1:23 am
I saw that footage again on a DVD I was watching yesterday. I had no idea she survived. Thanks, TRoS.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:27 amWhere has zooey gone? Is she really that afraid of me?
July 27th, 2007 at 1:28 amComment by The Enlightened Mr. President
Just STFU idiot.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:28 amHey guys, and Mr. P, too.
Since Mr P insists on sticking around and making a complete fool of himself, here’s a little sporting proposition for you all.
Wayne has offered in the past to arrange a sparring match between Mr P and Wayne’s daughter, a ahem, fairly well-trained martial artist. **snicker… snicker** I believe Mr P has said he lives in Virginia, and Wayne, it’s Texas, right? Anyone want to pool some money so Mr P can fly to Texas for this little **cough… cough** sportin’ contest?
Wayne, you are going to tape this, correct? Who’s in? I’m put up $50 for starters. How ’bout, P?
July 27th, 2007 at 1:28 amLet’s fly michael out too…
July 27th, 2007 at 1:29 amThere have been some god-awful images from this war as well. Of course, they don’t really show up where people would see them.
I thought that ABC News segment that TP featured a few days ago was really wrenching, but again, it was more about US than THEM.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:29 amThat was actually a girl. She survived the war and even ended up in the US.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
July 27th, 2007 at 1:30 amWhere has zooey gone? Is she really that afraid of me?
Comment by michael
Tell me where to find you and I will see how afraid you are stalker troll.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:30 amOr do you only pick on women?
Ann Coulter hates women.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:31 amPlease please please please, michael…
TAKE HIM UP ON IT!
July 27th, 2007 at 1:32 amThere have been some god-awful images from this war as well. Of course, they don’t really show up where people would see them.
Comment by Egreggious — July 27, 2007 @ 1:29 am
I forced myself to look at some of those pictures. They were unsanitized and hardcore — REAL.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:32 amI saw that footage again on a DVD I was watching yesterday. I had no idea she survived. Thanks, TRoS.
Comment by Zehava
My girlfriend sent me a ppt with the most famous photos in the world, and one of them was that one. Naked, scared and hurt. I try to imagine what she must have felt at that moment and I cant. The sickest part of it is that only after 50,000+ US soldiers killed, US govt decided to withdraw from Vietnam, while that little country was pounded with bombs, chemicals and landmines, leaving millions of Vietnamese dead. Nobody cares about civilians.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:32 amUh Oh.
Tense moment for some Lefties, one is advocating violence on women, one is standing up for a woman in danger, and another is hiding.
Let’s see how this plays out.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:33 amNobody cares about civilians.
Comment by Juan C — July 27, 2007 @ 1:32 am
We do. :)
July 27th, 2007 at 1:34 amThere’s also that Vietnam footage of the guy being executed with a gun held right at his head. That was horrendous as well.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:34 amMotive?
Comment by Juan C — July 27, 2007 @ 1:07 am
First, I would want to know WHEN (the date) he was supposed to come home from Afghanistan and meet with Chomsky to discuss what he had learned that had him so disillusioned about the war (that had Tillman calling it ‘illegal’). Then I would want to ask if it was an election year..? What did he learn that he wanted to tell Chomsky that may have been so threatening to the war effort?
Who benefits? Who was threatened?
Frankly if it was murder, they took care of something they percieved as a problem AND turned it to their advantage by painting him the hero and destroying all evidence to the contrary that might implicate them. Who would question the death of a hero who died in action fighting for his country? (Thank God his family).
Pat Tillman WAS a hero, not just the way they tried to ‘play’ it.
If this ends up being proved to be murder, then somebody had better pay, and pay big time. I just feel like everybody who gets in the way of the momentum of this ‘war plan’ pays dearly. Senator Clinton asks the Pentagon this week about any plans for redeplyment at some point and she is immediately painted as unpatriotic and accused of aiding the enemy.
Has it always been like this with Administrations and war? Is it just because this is the first time in my life I paid attention??
July 27th, 2007 at 1:35 amWhat? You’re down for the match, Mr P? You want to fly out and get into the ring w/ Wayne’s daughter? Sweet….
Com’on folks… times a-wastin’… strike while the iron’s hot… and all that good stuff.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:36 amThere’s also that Vietnam footage of the guy being executed with a gun held right at his head. That was horrendous as well.
Comment by Egreggious — July 27, 2007 @ 1:34 am
That executioner is in the US now — or he was a few years ago. I read a story about him.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:36 amJuan said: how many soldiers would you have to kill in order to keep the silence?
I tend to believe this. It wasn’t that he was JUST a soldier, it was who he was. He was recognizable and wildly admired and respected. He was VISIBLE. People would listen to him and believe him, whatever he had to say when he came home.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:37 amand another is hiding.
Comment by Mr. President
and another is hiding=Mr. P.
No, literally… pee… as in yellow, a coward…
July 27th, 2007 at 1:38 amMr. President
July 27th, 2007 at 1:38 amnot wildy, WIDELY.. Aahhh. I need to take some typing lessons..
July 27th, 2007 at 1:38 amI’m really starting to believe that michael is Ann Coulter.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:38 amCom’on folks… times a-wastin’… strike while the iron’s hot… and all that good stuff.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 27, 2007 @ 1:36 am
I’ll send you my personal check for the entire amount needed.
You’ll accept post-dated…?
July 27th, 2007 at 1:38 amYou cannot support the US constitution AND George W. Bush. You must choose sides my fellow Americans.
-GSD
July 27th, 2007 at 1:39 amI think I have perhaps the darkest view of this administration in this thread, and the most hopeful of the American people.
The only reason the Mr. Pees of this country believe what they do is because they are influenced by the corporate myth writers to see the world the way that they do. Like those people who have been taught that the Anti-Christ is the one who brings peace to the Middle East.
They don’t see the horrors of this war, and when one slips into their frame of reference, they immidiately discount it as propaganda or justified collateral damage. They have been programed how to process information for a long time.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:39 amone is advocating violence on women…
Comment by Mr. President
Take the bet, sucker. I DARE you.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:39 amYou’ll accept post-dated…?
Comment by Zehava
Absolutely. Now, Mr P, you’ll have to sign a release here, ya know… no legal liability should someone end up w/, oh, cracked ribs or a broken nose…
We can probably recoup expenses by selling copies of the taped fight on DVD to TPers.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:41 amWe do. :)
Comment by Zehava
I know :D, but sane people does not make important choices. :(
July 27th, 2007 at 1:42 amPeople would listen to him and believe him, whatever he had to say when he came home.
Comment by JG
The more I think about it, the more I agree with what already has been posted here (Wayne, Z and TRoS), looking at how celebrities are being depicted by US media.
What? You’re down for the match, Mr P? You want to fly out and get into the ring w/ Wayne’s daughter? Sweet….
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
That would be fun to watch.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:42 amShe can take down all 3 of her big brothers.
With a cane she can take me down faster than I can react. hehe
Has it always been like this with Administrations and war? Is it just because this is the first time in my life I paid attention??
Comment by JG — July 27, 2007 @ 1:35 am
Yes, but not to the extent and complete dishonesty of this particular administration. There have been true war heroes in previous conflicts (Audie Murphy, Sgt Alvin York) who have been, to some degree exploited, but I don’t think they had to lie about the circumstances, like the way they did with Pvt Jessica Lynch (whom I do not blame in the least for what was done to her, and who still exhibited bravery above and beyond to survive her ordeal. But they used her, and in an ugly way.) And now this about Pat Tillman?
July 27th, 2007 at 1:43 amWith a cane she can take me down faster than I can react. hehe
Comment by Wayne
Zooey has already offered to cover the cost of air fare for Mr P, Wayne.
Oooo, Mr P… where are you? Come out, come out wherever you are.
Hmm, he, and michael, seemed to have gone off, together. Perhaps they’re powdering their noses.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:45 amComment by Lee J. Cobb — July 27, 2007 @ 1:39 am
The whole identity of the right-wingers is wrapped up in their prejudices.
I can understand it to a bit. Like the “Clinton did it too” thing. I’m very ambivalent in my feelings toward the Clintons, not a real big fan, if the truth be told, but I feel the need to defend them (or at least not attack them) because the Clintons don’t have an R after their names. It’s kind of a misplaced loyalty, but it’s better than the alternative.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:45 amHmmmmm, it appears Mr Pee is having difficulty posting comments. :)
July 27th, 2007 at 1:45 amThere’s also that Vietnam footage of the guy being executed with a gun held right at his head. That was horrendous as well.
Comment by Egreggious — July 27, 2007 @ 1:34 am
That one is so seared into my brain that I could probably draw it (badly, but still…) without ever seeing it again.
On a less horrific note: Count me in on the “Wayne’s Daughter vs Mr P” action!
July 27th, 2007 at 1:46 amI’m really starting to believe that michael is Ann Coulter.
Comment by Egreggious — July 27, 2007 @ 1:38 am
And I thought it was just me. I bet if one of us is brave enough to go to townhall.com and scour her commentaries, we’d find some similar phrasing of views. Just speculation since, as I explained to Wayne above, I’m not that brave! In fact, I think I would rather jump out of a perfectly good airplane than read one of her screeds. With or without a chute.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:46 amOn a less horrific note: Count me in on the “Wayne’s Daughter vs Mr P†action!
Comment by Jane E. Schneider
We’ve definitely got the necessary green to get Mr P to da ring! Hmmm, where’d he go? He was here shootin’ his mouf off jes a couple ‘o minutes ago…????
July 27th, 2007 at 1:48 amYou cannot support the US constitution AND George W. Bush. You must choose sides my fellow Americans.
-GSD
Comment by GSD — July 27, 2007 @ 1:39 am
I know this may sound wrong, and I am not advocating any kind of violent overthrow, for I believe in finding peaceful solutions (like impeachment), but I think it’s come down to this:
You’re either with us, or you’re with the president. (The real one)
July 27th, 2007 at 1:49 amHmmmmm, it appears Mr Pee is having difficulty posting comments. :)
Comment by Zehava — July 27, 2007 @ 1:45 am
They may be destroying all the computers in the White House basement about now.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:49 amThere’s also that Vietnam footage of the guy being executed with a gun held right at his head. That was horrendous as well.
Comment by Egreggious
I saw that, it was sickening.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:49 amHi all.
It’s way past my bedtime so I’m gonna post and run. If one, even the president, conceals evidence and testimony in a murder; one is an accessory. Legally there is no difference between the one who pulled the trigger and the one who covered it up. If anyone in the administration can be connected it’s prison time for Bushco.
G’night
July 27th, 2007 at 1:49 ammichael is currently talking to himself on the scary Muslim School thread. :D
July 27th, 2007 at 1:50 amNot to get too far off subject; but did you guys ever see “cripple fight” on South Park?
that was funny. “Timmeh!”
I can’t get behind the “Wayne’s Daughter vs Mr. Pee” throw-down.
It would be about as fair as “Chuck Liddel vs me” and that wouldn’t be pretty.
No, Mr. Pee would have to work his way up the ranks to prove he could survive. Otherwise, no state would sanction it.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:52 amI know this may sound wrong, and I am not advocating any kind of violent overthrow, for I believe in finding peaceful solutions (like impeachment), but I think it’s come down to this:
You’re either with us, or you’re with the president. (The real one)
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
I have faith that eventually Rule of Law will catch up to these criminals.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:53 amI hope to “whatever power may be” that it never ever goes far enough for a 2nd American Revolution to be needed.
No, Mr. Pee would have to work his way up the ranks to prove he could survive.
Comment by Lee J. Cobb — July 27, 2007 @ 1:52 am
Maybe he should start with me. I’m a wimpy, wispy hippy.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:54 amTRoS, I think Mr Pee got caught in a filter — poolhouse or TP, whatever. :D
I need to get off this computer, cuz my eyes are going crossed.
It’s been a great night talking about interesting topics.
Goodnight all!!
July 27th, 2007 at 1:54 amHis Brother wrote an article at Truthdig, a must read.
Comment by Wayne
WOW. I just read the article, Wayne.
I usually dont respect guys with necks as thick as 100 meter runner thighs, most of them are dumb and tend to be more worried about their next cycle of steroids than reading a book now and then.
I have to swallow it up from now on. That was an excellent, passionate, direct article.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:54 amAnd I’m starting to get a headache.
Good night. Best wishes to all.
Lee, great to talk to you again.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:55 amI hope to “whatever power may be†that it never ever goes far enough for a 2nd American Revolution to be needed.
Comment by Wayne — July 27, 2007 @ 1:53 am
If it does, you know I got your back. I’m not giving up this country either without a fight.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:56 amI have faith that eventually Rule of Law will catch up to these criminals.
I hope to “whatever power may be†that it never ever goes far enough for a 2nd American Revolution to be needed.
Comment by Wayne — July 27, 2007 @ 1:53 am
Our minds are working on the same plain this evening, Wayne. Welcome back. :)
Goodnight!
July 27th, 2007 at 1:56 amnight zehava.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:56 amI saw that, it was sickening.
Comment by Wayne — July 27, 2007
I came across a photo from Iraq about a year ago at another website. It was a picture of an Iraqi man who had been executed. He was wearing a suit and his hands had been tied behind his back. Someone had taken some sort of gun and literally blown his skull right out of his head.
The skin of his head was lying flat on the ground at the end of his neck, like a a deflated rubber ball, and there was a big spot of red matter on the ground leading away from what had been his head.
It was one of the gruesomest pictures I had ever seen. I wanted to turn it into a Christmas card and send it to Republicans.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:56 amI hope to “whatever power may be†that it never ever goes far enough for a 2nd American Revolution to be needed.
Comment by Wayne
I’m afraid it’s already started. And like the health care battle, no one ever told us.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:57 amGood night, Zahava. Goodnight Egreggious.
Sleep, little posters, do not cry.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:58 amAnd we will make them testify.
michael is currently talking to himself on the scary Muslim School thread. :D
Comment by Zehava
omg LMAO!!!
July 27th, 2007 at 1:59 amGoodnight, Zehava and Egg!
July 27th, 2007 at 1:59 amIt was one of the gruesomest pictures I had ever seen. I wanted to turn it into a Christmas card and send it to Republicans.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
When it starts we had better all know that it won’t be on the grounds of republicans and Democrats.
it wasn’t just Republicans who pushed this war on us.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:00 amI hope to “whatever power may be†that it never ever goes far enough for a 2nd American Revolution to be needed.
Comment by Wayne
BTW, Wayne, you do ralize I have complete faith in your daughter because of our prior, in-depth chat about the martial arts. Mr P is a sickening blowhard and a coward. I’d love to see him get stupid enough to climb into the ring w/ your daughter.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:00 amI have faith that eventually Rule of Law will catch up to these criminals.
I hope to “whatever power may be†that it never ever goes far enough for a 2nd American Revolution to be needed.
Comment by Wayne — July 27, 2007 @ 1:53 am
I don’t think we’ve reached revolution stage yet. There’s still some flexibility left in our system of government.
I ‘m hoping if we can get a party change in 2008, we may see some improvement. We shall see.
Good night again.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:00 amIt was one of the gruesomest pictures I had ever seen.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
I think nothing beats the girl of Haditha (I guess) with a hole in what was her face.
The proof that humans should extinct.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:00 amI’m afraid it’s already started. And like the health care battle, no one ever told us.
Comment by Lee J. Cobb
we’ve been a major constitutional crisis for several yrs now. It’s just finally coming to the surface.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:01 amP.S. By revolution I mean “violent revolution”.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:03 amIt was one of the gruesomest pictures I had ever seen. I wanted to turn it into a Christmas card and send it to Republicans.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
I think the pictures of the babies of Falujha with their skin melted off by illegal use of white phospherous was the most horrendous thing I ever saw in my life. I actually had nightmares after seeing those.
Whoever was behind that, whoever ordered that, all the way up the chain, needs to be tried for War Crimes.
No wonder the insurgency there is so strong. You do not endear the civilian population when you f*cking melt the skin off their babies.
Just think if that was done here to our children.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:05 amwe’ve been a major constitutional crisis for several yrs now. It’s just finally coming to the surface.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
What do you know about the put options on United and American Airlines before 9/11?
July 27th, 2007 at 2:05 amNight all!
Nice to see you back, Lee J and Wayne.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:06 amComment by Wayne — July 27, 2007 @ 2:05 am
did you know they positioned the troops for that battle and then waited till the election of 2004 was over and Bush had won, before they launched?
July 27th, 2007 at 2:07 amNight Republic
July 27th, 2007 at 2:07 amJust think if that was done here to our children.
Comment by Wayne — July 27, 2007 @ 2:05 am
Sadly, it would make a lot of our fellow citizens start sounding like our friend Mr. P. They would blame all Arabs, Iraqi in particular, and Muslims everywhere for the actions of a few. Just as many Iraqis and Muslims hate all of us for the actions of the few in our government who acted extra-legally and unconstitutionally. Can anyone blame them for thinking that we are complicit for not having ridded ourselves of them yet?
For the sake of everything this nation stands for, we must remove this criminal cabal from power immediately. Impeachment shouldn’t merely be put back on the table, it should be the entire table’s contents! Then, and only then, should they move on with the rest of the people’s business. Until then, impeachment should be our only business!
July 27th, 2007 at 2:10 amGood night , TRoS.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:11 amComment by Wayne A. Schneider — Completely agree.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:12 amUntil then, impeachment should be our only business!
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 27, 2007 @ 2:10 am
I agree.
If we cannot get Pelosi to act, maybe someone can defeat her and throw her out of office. If she keeps protecting Bush, she has to be thrown out.
Then even though Bush and Crew are outof office, still impeach thelot of them, so they never draw government pensions and can never serve again. Then put them on trial for all the crimes, including War Crimes.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:17 amdid you know they positioned the troops for that battle and then waited till the election of 2004 was over and Bush had won, before they launched?
Comment by Lee J. Cobb
Yeah, I know
July 27th, 2007 at 2:21 amComment by Wayne — July 27, 2007 @ 2:17 am
I made an argument on my blog (I’m not promoting it, I just don’t want to repeat it sue to length) in which I say that if they go ahead and impeach Gonzales (and Cheney), they not only can’t be pardoned to avoid it but, if convicted and removed, can also still be charged with crimes. It’s my own interpretation of the constitution since, as we both know from outr oaths, was important enough to read and memorize as much as possible. I copied and pasted what I used, but I knew it was there to find from having read it many times. I keep a copy of it and the Amendments in a Word Document, linked on my desktop, so I can open it up and get the exact wording I need. Quite useful.
But Jane and I are up well past our bedtime, so we’ll have to leave this to the West-coasters.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:22 amPROVE IT! MAKE THE RICH FEEL SORRY FOR WHAT THEY HAVE DONE!
July 27th, 2007 at 2:22 amHeck with that. How about we just put ‘em in jail?
Good night, Wayne. And I’d appreciate it iof you could keep an eye on this story for us. I’ll be working a lot of late days in the coming weeks, so I won’t have time to find out much. It’s going to be an interesting August, right before a pivotal September.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:24 amBut Jane and I are up well past our bedtime, so we’ll have to leave this to the West-coasters.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
Night
July 27th, 2007 at 2:28 amTime for me to head to bed too.
Day off work tomorrow, but it is booked up with practices and 3 different gigs hehe
SENATOR GRAHAM CALLS FOR ACTION AGAINST AMERICANS WHO DISAGREE WITH BUSH
Sen. Lindsey Graham suggested to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales a new target for the administration’s domestic operations — Fifth Columnists, supposedly disloyal Americans who sympathize and collaborate with the enemy.
“The administration has not only the right, but the duty, in my opinion, to pursue Fifth Column movements,” Graham, R-S.C., told Gonzales during Senate Judiciary Committee hearings on Feb. 6.
“I stand by this President’s ability, inherent to being Commander in Chief, to find out about Fifth Column movements, and I don’t think you need a warrant to do that,” Graham added, volunteering to work with the administration to draft guidelines for how best to neutralize this alleged threat. “Senator,” a smiling Gonzales responded, “the President already said we’d be happy to listen to your ideas.”
http://uncapitalist.com/blog/?itemid=1329
CHERTOFF SETTING THE STAGE FOR ARRESTING BLOGGERS:
http://www.rawstory.com/showarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.yahoo.com%2Fs%2Fnm%2F20061017%2Fwr_nm%2Fsecurity_chertoff_dc%3B_ylt%3DAq31AQx4TKjh9chd4l0E4ZQjtBAF%3B_ylu%3DX3oDMTA0cDJlYmhvBHNlYwM-
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“PROBABLE CAUSE”
These are the two words that represent the threshold required to obtain a warrant under FISA.
“REASONABLE SUSPICION”
These are the two words that separate Bush’s existing program from falling within the law of the land.
Bush and Gonzales have attempted to reinterpret the Constitution, claiming that spying on US Persons is justified when there exists a “REASONABLE SUSPICION” of wrong doing.
The threshold is “PROBABLE CAUSE” – a HIGHER THRESHOLD than Reasonable Suspicion.
They will avoid using these two words at all cost.
Regardless, a warrant under the supervision of FISA is ALWAYS a requirement for spying on US persons…period.
The ONLY reason not to seek a warrant under FISA is if the target of the spying is a US person for whom there is no “PROBABLE CAUSE” of a direct connection to terrorism.
Logic dictates that those who have been the subject of NSA surveillance without benefit of FISA have been US Persons not likely to be involved with terrorists.
Spying on US Persons for political purposes (or revenge) is the stuff impeachments are made of.
IMPEACH
July 27th, 2007 at 6:36 amGood morning ace. You still trying to formulate an answer as to why Bush chose Liebermann to join his pro-Israel racket?
Its only been 24 hours, you think a guy could answer-up by now.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:39 amAt a Republican National Convention many years ago, I visited in the Indiana delegation with U.S. Senator Bill Jenner. Bill told me a story I suspect may be apocryphal, but it packs quite a wallop.
In Germany, said Bill, during the 1930s, when that country was forbidden to rearm, a young man worked in a baby carriage factory. His wife was pregnant, so he conceived the idea of stealing a part from each factory division. When he had all the parts, he would assemble them and have a baby carriage.
So, every couple of days, he stole a part. When he had all the parts at home, he assembled them. What he wound up with was not a baby carriage, but a machine gun – which recalls the fact that in the beginning Hitler built his war machine with subterfuge. By the time the world became aware of it, it was too late.
Today, here in the United States, all the elements of totalitarian dictatorship that, because of modern technology would leave Hitler, and Stalin, etc., breathless with envy, have been meticulously installed, from the Patriot Act, which the congressmen who voted on it were not allowed to read, to Patriot II, the existence of which the White House denied, through the emasculation of the Posse Comitatus Act that forbade the domestic use of our military, to the act that cancels habeas corpus.
“From now on, if you are found to be “undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq and to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people,†or if you are discovered to “pose a significant risk of committing†an act of violence that could threaten “the peace or stability of Iraq,†the federal government can “block†your property. The determination would be made by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretaries of State and Defense.
So, what does this mean? What does it mean to “undermine efforts?†What does it mean not just to commit an act of violence, but to “pose a significant risk of committing†one? However broad and sloppy it is, doesn’t this language obviously refer to violent Islamic terrorists? Shouldn’t we give our own government the benefit of the doubt?
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What does it mean to “undermine efforts?†Could it mean to criticize severely? If an American sincerely opposes spending our money to effect the economic reconstruction of Iraq, would “undermine efforts†to do that include organizing and working to prevent it? If the Secretary of the Treasury decides that is what you are doing, he apparently can seize your property.
Indeed, remember, the language of the new presidential Executive Order says nothing about undermining the American war effort. It says nothing about interfering with the military. The new offense consists of “undermining†the administration’s foreign economic policy. If you do that, you become, in the terminology of the Communist Manifesto, a “rebel†whose property the government can legally seize.
So, if we now have taken, or are about to take, without exception, every single one of the Communist Manifesto’s steps to Communism, wouldn’t that make us a Communist country? Yes, we fought the Communist countries we founded. So what? Dion O’Bannion fought Al Capone. Did that make him any less a gangster?
Four star general Tommy Franks, our former commander in Iraq, says the President will impose martial law and abolish the Constitution after the next “terrorist attack.†Some victims of astigmatism tell us there is nothing to worry about because, after all, we don’t have martial law today. In fact, a couple of weeks have passed since Boosh issued the new Executive Order and nobody’s property has been seized. No one has been called a “rebel.†The elaborate, totalitarian powers the government has written into the law have not been invoked, so there is “nothing to fear.â€
Yes, maybe that is true. But there was “nothing to fear†from Hitler until he put everything in place. Remember the Enabling Act? There was “nothing to fear†from Stalin until he consolidated power. There was “nothing to fear†from Mao until Washington had forced President Chiang to flee. There was “nothing to fear†from Castro until he arrived in Havana and was installed by the United States.
Everything to do what they did and then some is now in place here.
http://www.etherzone.com/2007/stang072707.shtml
July 27th, 2007 at 6:44 amYou are a dolt. I again contacted TP to see if they could muzzle your bandwidth-stealing ass and perhaps teach you how to link.
Why Liebermann, ace, why did Bush choose Liebermann for his cabal?
July 27th, 2007 at 6:46 amIts no use, pizza. Ace is a bigot, you can tell that much from his posts, though I suspect you know that already.
He is also one of the most feverish conspiracy goofnuts I have ever seen online, along with another toad who comes here named Jay Randal. The things these two geeks dream-up are laughable.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:54 amWhy Liebermann, ace, why did Bush choose Liebermann for his cabal?
Comment by Pizza the Hutt — July 27, 2007 @ 6:46 am
You add nothing to the search for the truth. You are clearly here to block others from learning the truth (as evidenced by your fervent desire to silence me). Your intentions are revealed by your own words and actions.
Thank you for providing me with a legitimate platform for posting the lengthy response above, which is precisely “on topic” in response to the question posed to me.
Any other questions you’d like me to answer?
Any questions about Israel’s Hasbara program or their Megaphone blogging software, perhaps?
July 27th, 2007 at 6:54 am#
Its no use, pizza. Ace is a bigot, you can tell that much from his posts, though I suspect you know that already.
He is also one of the most feverish conspiracy goofnuts I have ever seen online, along with another toad who comes here named Jay Randal. The things these two geeks dream-up are laughable.
Comment by Piper — July 27, 2007 @ 6:54 am
Piper:
Provide facts and links that prove the existence of Osama Bin Laden.
Provide facts and links that prove he played a role in 9/11.
This should be a simple enough task, right?
After all, it’s easy to prove a positive.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:56 amYeah, I know, and Ace will never answer about Liebermann because he is an anti-semite.
Yesterday he posted some screed about nuclear bombs being moved from Germany, breathlessly intoning that perhaps they were given to someone in an effort to vaporize the middle east or something. Then at the end of the rant he says he has no idea where the bombs went. LOL!
Its a circus in his head I tell ya. Living in the unlit basement of his parents house must be doing strange things to his mind.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:57 amIs the United States Government a bigot?
When I write about the Israeli spies and operatives in our government, how does that imply bigotry more than it implies patriotism and respect for the rule of law?
Is this written by a “conspiracy goofnut?”
AIPAC SPY SCANDAL:
CONSPIRACY TO COMMUNICATE CLASSIFIED INFORMATION TO AGENT OF FOREIGN GOVERNMENT
1. Defendant LAWRENCE ANTHONY FRANKLIN was employed by the United States government at the Department of Defense (DoD) in the Office of the Secretary of Defense (OSD), International Security Affairs (ISA), Office of Near East and South Asia, Office of Northern Gulf Affairs, Iran desk, and held a Top Secret security clearance with access to Sensitive Compartmented Information (SCI). FRANKLIN’S office was located within the Pentagon, in the Eastern District of Virginia. FRANKLIN was also a Colonel in the United States Air Force Reserve (USAFR).
2. Throughout his employment with the United States government, FRANKLIN repeatedly signed written agreements acknowledging his duty to safeguard classified information
3. At no time was FRANKLIN authorized to release classified information to ROSEN and WEISMANN except with respect to Overt Acts 43 and 44 in count one.
4. Defendant STEVEN J. ROSEN was employed as the Director of Foreign Policy Issues for the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) in Washington, D.C. ROSEN was hired by AIPAC in or about July 1982. AIPAC, according to its website, is ” America’s ProIsrael Lobby.” AIPAC lobbies the U.S. Congress and Executive Branch agencies on various issues related to Israel and U.S. Foreign policy in the Middle East. As the Director of Foreign Policy Issues, ROSEN lobbied on behalf of AIPAC, primarily with officials within the Executive Branch of the U.S. government. During the time period of this indictment, ROSEN did not have a U.S. government security clearance and was not authorized to receive or possess U.S. government classified information.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/intell/library/reports/2005/franklin_indictment_04aug2005.htm
WAYS, MANNER AND MEANS OF THE CONSPIRACY
A. It was part of the conspiracy that, in an effort to influence persons within and outside the United States government, ROSEN and WEISSMAN would cultivate relationships with FRANKLIN and others and would use their contacts within the U.S. government and elsewhere to gather sensitive U.S. government information, including classified information relating to the national defense, for subsequent unlawful communication, delivery and transmission to persons not entitled to receive it.
B. It was further part of the conspiracy that FRANKLIN would use his position as a desk officer in the Office of the Secretary of Defense to gather information relating to the national defense, for subsequent unlawful communication, delivery and transmission to ROSEN and WEISSMAN and others not entitled to receive it.
C. It was further part of the conspiracy that FRANKLIN, ROSEN and WEISSMAN would meet at locations in the Eastern District of Virginia and elsewhere, to exchange information, including classified information relating to the national defense.
D. It was further part of the conspiracy that FRANKLIN would unlawfully deliver, communicate and transmit classified national defense information in an effort to advance his own personal foreign policy agenda and influence persons within and outside the United States government.
E. It was further part of the conspiracy that ROSEN and WEISSMAN, without lawful authority, would communicate to persons not entitled to receive it, classified information relating to the national defense.
On or about June 11, 1999, WEISSMAN had a conversation with FO-1 and told FO-1 that a “Secret FBI, classified FBI report” on the Khobar Towers bombing had been prepared and that he (WEISSMAN) had gotten this information from three different sources, including United States government officials.
On or about March 13, 2003 , WEISSMAN had a separate conversation with FO-1. WEISSMAN asked FO-1, “Have you talked to Steve about Iran lately?” WEISSMAN related that “we” had heard from a “friend of ours in the Pentagon” about a national intelligence document. WEISSMAN discussed specifics about the classified draft internal policy document and the internal deliberations of United States government officials.
On or about March 18, 2003 , in a conversation with a member of the media about the classified draft internal policy document, ROSEN stated, “I’m not supposed to know this,” and that it was a “considerable story.” He encouraged the member of the media to pursue the story.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:00 amCome on ace. Yesterday you said that Bush enlisted the help of Liebermann to keep his “racket” up and running.
This was your accusation ace, not something you gleaned from an article or something, its YOUR accusation and Id like to know why you think Liebermann was chosen by Bush and why the democrat Liebermann would accept the offer from the republican POTUS.
Answer up or are you unable to support the feverish bullshitt you post here which means its all just conspiracist crap?
July 27th, 2007 at 7:00 amCareful there pizza, ace is wired-in to the underground network of posse commitatus-like bigots who see danger and conspiracy in everyone who isnt white or has even a touch of Jewish blood in them. They might come for you one day.
Heh.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:03 amPizza the hutt:
The lengthy post – including attributions and links at number 456 is my direct response to your prior question.
Have you read through everything in that post an all of the links provided?
Of course not – learning the truth is not your goal.
Intent
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Keep those questions coming. I don’t get angry, I just expose more of the information you are desperate to keep hidden.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:06 amI have a feeling that ace is sweatily perusing his database in his bunker for yet another mile-long article, written by a different guy in another bunker down the road, which says that the Joooos are responsible for everything from the fall of the Abyssinian Empire to his moped not starting this morning.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:07 amYou believe this stuff ace, youre the purveyor of these achingly long articles. Give me your personal opinion as to why you think Liebermann was chosen by Bush?
Its a simple question and if you consider yourself capable of even simple reasoning I would suspect you have an answer. How can I trust the content of the information you provide if youre nothing more than a simple newspaper boy, waving the latest edition on the local street corner?
Enlighten me, or is it you dont have the capability to understand what you post?
July 27th, 2007 at 7:11 amHeh pizza, youre getting to him. See how he turned the argument back on you, saying youre a troll and and…really mean.
He wont answer, he CANT answer, and we both know why. Ace is a simpleton and you wont find much more than his low-level brand of debate here at TP, they arent capable of backing up their “Hate Bush/Military/America” train of thought.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:15 amPiper:
I missed all of those facts and links you were asked to provide to prove the existence of Osama Bin Laden.
Surely you can prove he was involved in 9/11, and that he actually exists, right?
July 27th, 2007 at 7:16 amHe is also a bigot.
Im sure he doesnt see himself that way, most bunker-dwelling types dont. He probably considers himself a ‘freedom fighter’, even though the nazi memorabilia he surrepticiously collects would say otherwise.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:18 amhttp://www.physics911.net/kevinbarrett.htm
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/osamatape.html
http://www.911blimp.net/vid_fakeOsamaVideo.shtml
July 27th, 2007 at 7:18 amEvil jews, bringing down the towers the way they did.
Why is it the libs can fully accept that the US government arranged 911 but that muslim terrorists, who have been killing people for decades, are incapable of murder?
Tells you who they really believe in and who the rest of us cant trust to lead the nation.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:27 amAce is the guy from the 1800’s who ran around telling everyone that the Native Americans were scalping, skinning and eating white children, all in an effort to peddle the hate he would never admit to.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:35 amWell the hijackers were predominantly Saudi exiles. Wahhabis.
It Saudi princes wife actually did send checks to the attackers. The truth, as with Kennedys shooting, will never be known. I’m sure we can expect
Lieberman attended a rally with Hagee/Delay recently.
Hagee stressed the need for a preemptive military attack on Iran to “prevent a nuclear holocaust” as he introduced Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) to thunderous applause from the crowd. Lieberman compared Hagee to Moses and pointed out a visiting Rick Santorum as a “worker for what is good in our society.”
Other conference attendees were quick to note that Muslims are satanic, and that the anti-Christ would most likely be a “man of peace.” Much like the College Republican convention, Blumenthal is eventually kicked out after confronting Hagee with a passage from his book that blames the Jews for their own persecution.
Other conference attendees were quick to note that Muslims are satanic, and that the anti-Christ would most likely be a “man of peace.”
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I don’t know how Jesus came to be a warrior. He didn’t write what we see in the bible. He could draw pictures, spoke Hebrew and Armenic. Moses was a general, Joe is not. Moses knew alchemy, Joes does not. Joe surely doesn’t want to see Israel destroyed. I ‘m not so sure he knows what Hagee has written. I have a hard time believing Jesus would return with a sword and bring about nuclear Armageddon. The Muslims recognize Jesus as a Prophet. The second coming was likely in 70AD.
Lets not forget Tim Mcveigh, An Elohimist, blew up the Murrah Federal Building. I don’t see people condemning Christianity because of a few extremist nuts. Hagees own words undermine his own words. I don’t think Churches should become involved in persuing partisan political views based on scripture. The word Babel, Bible, means to confound. The bible is the most read, also interpreted book ever written with some 800 denominations [interpretations]
BTW I do consider myself a Judao/Christian. I don’t understand what Hagee and his group speak of. Dont confuse a word, Liberal, with religion. There is no correlation. Your basically promoting a myth Piper.
George Soros, who funds TP, is a Dovish Jew who is seeking an more peaceful alternative to AIPAC. So that pretty much derails your liberal [liberty/Freedom] mythical jaunt we see repeated so much by people who follow your mythical wackiness.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:58 amAce, thank you for the wealth of verifiable information you’ve posted here this morning. You’ve given all of us plenty of homework to do. Keep writing and including links. Thanks.
July 27th, 2007 at 8:21 amComment by plantbulbs — July 27, 2007 @ 8:21 am
Thanks. Best to copy and paste it for your own future reference. Feel free to repost anywhere without attribution. Nobody owns the truth – it just is.
Check out all of this too:
http://plungerspeaks.blogspot.com
share the truth.
July 27th, 2007 at 8:36 amthey arent capable of backing up their “Hate Bush/Military/America†train of thought. Comment by Piper
Let me reiterate what Hagee, an evangelical, wrote in his book. He blames the Jews for their own persecution. Not the ‘liberals’ Not the Left, but the JEWS!!!!
What do you have to say about that Piper?
Not much I imagine.
July 27th, 2007 at 8:44 amWhy is it the libs can fully accept that the US government arranged 911 but that muslim terrorists, who have been killing people for decades, are incapable of murder?
Comment by Piper — July 27, 2007 @ 7:27 am
Why is it the libs can fully accept that the US government arranged 911…
… but that muslim terrorists, who have been killing people for decades, are incapable of murder?
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July 27th, 2007 at 8:45 amWow piper post #468 what a stretch you make. Don’t ever believe any one group has a corner on the market when it comes to evil, there is enough for everyone.
July 27th, 2007 at 8:47 amMC CAIN:
In an interview with Chris Matthews, John McCain was pressed to explain just where another 100,000 troops are supposed to come from for Iraq:
“I don’t think we need to think of the draft again because I don’t think it makes sense in a whole variety of ways. But I guarantee you, if these young people felt that this nation was in a crisis and we asked them to serve, virtually every one of them would stand up because I have the greatest confidence in the young people of America.”
(Transcript at: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15330717/)
CRISIS?
WHAT CRISES?
ARE WE IN A CRISIS, OR ARE YOU FORETELLING ONE?
JOHN MC CAIN – YOU’VE GOT FOREKNOWLEDGE OF A PENDING ATTACK. EXPOSE IT TO PREVENT IT – OR SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES.
Is THIS the pending CRISIS?
http://iraqwar.mirror-world.ru/article/104451
Here is the DRESS REHEARSAL for the sinking of the USS Enterprise:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-05-17-ship-reef_x.htm
McCain’s Dad covered up Israel’s attack on the USS Liberty – is history repeating?
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/margolis12.html
The stranglehold of AIPAC
THE ARCHITECTS OF TERROR ARE IN THE WHITE HOUSE.
WITHOUT TERROR – THEY HAVE NO POWER.
IT IS THEY WHO ARE ATTACKING US.
July 27th, 2007 at 8:53 amSometimes comming to a conclusion that does not logically follow from what comes can make friendly debate colorfull, but there is never a case for circular reasoning, even if you believe it.
July 27th, 2007 at 9:00 am#468 piper –
Wow, piper, you project much? Does paranoia run deeply in your family?
There is help for that now, ……….just saying.
July 27th, 2007 at 9:14 amWow, piper, you project much?
Comment by upside00 — July 27, 2007 @ 9:14 am
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Mr. Piper’s comment is not an example of projection.
Here:
July 27th, 2007 at 10:53 amhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection