Intelligence Official Contradicts Bush: ‘Primary’ Terrorist Threat Is From ‘South Asia,’ Not Iraq
Intelligence Official Contradicts Bush: ‘Primary’ Terrorist Threat Is From ‘South Asia,’ Not Iraq
On Tuesday, President Bush delivered an address claiming that al Qaeda in Iraq is the central terror threat to the United States:
Here’s the bottom line: Al Qaida in Iraq is run by foreign leaders loyal to Osama bin Laden. … We are fighting bin Laden’s al Qaida in Iraq; Iraq is central to the war on terror; and against this enemy, America can accept nothing less than complete victory.
Top U.S. intelligence officials testifying before the House yesterday explained that Bush’s monolithic conception of al Qaeda does not represent their views. As NPR reported, “none of the officials testifying would put it quite the way President Bush has.”
In rare testimony, Edward Gistaro, “a principal author” of the recent National Intelligence Estimate, said the “primary concern” today comes from Afghanistan and Pakistan.
CRAMER: So then, if, as the NIE reflects, we are concerned about a threat to the homeland here, who calls that shot from al Qaeda?
GISTARO: Primary concern is al Qaeda in South Asia, organizing its own plots against the United States.
Watch it:
Rep. Bud Cramer (D-AL) pressed Gistaro to parse out the connections between al Qaeda in Iraq and al Qaeda in Afghanistan, a subject of extensive public interest in recent weeks. While Gistaro acknowledged that “al Qaeda n Iraq is an affiliate organization to al Qaeda in South Asia,” he asserted that “we’re dealing with an Al Qaida that has a decentralized command-and-control structure. And I don’t want to leave a false impression that we’re talking about a monolithic organization.”
Spencer Ackerman has more.
Transcript:
CRAMER: So, based on what I’ve heard so far, are you saying that al Qaeda and al Qaeda in Iraq are one and the same organization?
GISTARO: Sir, the way the relationship is described in the NIE is that al Qaeda in Iraq is an affiliate organization to al Qaeda in South Asia.
CRAMER: So — let me help you with that. Then the answer to that is, yes, they’re basically one and the same organization?
GISTARO: Sir, I think, you know, as the president described yesterday, we’re dealing with an Al Qaida that has a decentralized command-and-control structure. And I don’t want to leave a false impression that we’re talking about a monolithic organization.
CRAMER: So then, if, as the NIE reflects, we are concerned about a threat to the homeland here, who calls that shot from al Qaeda?
GISTARO: Primary concern is Al Qaida in South Asia, organizing its own plots against the United States. What we’re concerned about is that AQI, as the most visible and capable affiliate of Al Qaida, has also expressed an interest in attacking inside the United States.
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Mr. Bin Laden (Democrat-SA) thanks you for being willing to ignore the presence of his outfit in Iraq.
July 26th, 2007 at 3:15 pm“Intelligence Official Contradicts Bush”
July 26th, 2007 at 3:15 pmWelcome to the majority of the country.
Everyone knows the greatest threat to America is from Liberals.
I know this because Rush tells me everyday between noon and 3 pm.
Is there a lot of oil in Asia?
July 26th, 2007 at 3:15 pmUh-oh….looks like Gistaro didn’t get the memo with the updated talking points.
Remember, guys…you need to keep your fearmongering bullshit consistent if you’re going to fool anyone.
July 26th, 2007 at 3:16 pmPizza the Hutt sez:
I think you got that party affiliation wrong….bin Laden has done more for Chimpy & Co than anyone else.
By the way, how’s that manhunt coming along?
July 26th, 2007 at 3:17 pmI hope I live to see the day when people in this country actually start calling it the United States again instead of the Conservative propaganda title “Homeland”. This isn’t Germany, or Russia.
July 26th, 2007 at 3:20 pmthis whole al qaeda boogey man thing is just nonsene to me. I’m not afraid of being killed by terrorists. I’m more afraid of getting on the freeway this afternoon!
But, Bush and his cronies play on this whole fear thing over and over…and over…and over.
Terrorists will never, ever destroy this country or our way of life. It’s not possible. period.
The only way this country will be destroyed is from within - from politicians like Bush who love their own power more than they love your liberty.
That’s my rant. read on if you’d like:
“You Are Destroying America. Yes, You.”
July 26th, 2007 at 3:20 pmhttp://www.populistamerica.com/ you_are_destroying_america_yes_you
Can’t this guy get the talking points straight?
July 26th, 2007 at 3:22 pmWell, here’s the newest talking point: two different factions. There’s al Qaeda and then there’s al Qaida…
Theresa
July 26th, 2007 at 3:24 pmNow’s the time for Cheney to convince the American people that Iraq is actually in south Asia — just like he worked so hard to convince people that Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Forgotten worked together to implement the events of 9/11.
July 26th, 2007 at 3:24 pmWell, we should take all threats seriously.
July 26th, 2007 at 3:24 pmI see that we are back to nothing but complete victory again.
July 26th, 2007 at 3:24 pmMr. Bin Laden wishes to thank the bush administration for all its help in our recruitment efforts. Also a special thanks to bush for “not thinking about me, too much.”
July 26th, 2007 at 3:25 pmObviously, Gistaro forgot to read:
July 26th, 2007 at 3:25 pm“The Official Republican Iraq Talking Points.”
So, how do you think they are going to smear this guy? I’m betting they’re going to say he has a history of depression and a problem with authority. Also, he once gave $5 to a Democrat running for mayor in 1977, so his partisanship caused Bush Derangement Syndrome.
Comment by coda — July 26, 2007 @ 2:35 pm
The above is from a previous thread, but I think it applies here as well.
July 26th, 2007 at 3:25 pmWhy are the neocolons afraid of a couple thousand foreign fighters in Iraq?
July 26th, 2007 at 3:26 pmThey are busy blowing up Shiia shrines and inflaming the population against the occupation.
No occupation, no Al-Qaeda in Iraq, simple, yet the simpleton neocolonics just don’t freakin get it.
Instead of going after the heart and main body, we’re using most of our resources to go after only one of many tentacles. It makes no sense.
July 26th, 2007 at 3:27 pmWell, we should take all threats seriously.
Comment by Mr. President — July 26, 2007 @ 3:24 pm
HeYoooOOOOooOoooOoooOoooooooo!!!!!!
Or whatever.
July 26th, 2007 at 3:27 pmThere is absolutely nothing that comes from the WH that can’t be met with skepticism. People with the facts are ignored. America must now rely on congressonal testimony. Of course, not testimony from Bush cronies, though.
July 26th, 2007 at 3:27 pmThis is not America. I must assume that Gistaro will soon come up missing.
The enemy grows within. You get one guess who the enemy is.
Ah yes, BDS.
July 26th, 2007 at 3:29 pmCaused by being forced to watch your nation go down the tubes behind the maniac you didn’t elect screw up everything he touches, so help him God.
Then why do you think that we should give our port security over to Dubai, one of the countries sited in the 9/11 Commission’s Report as funding the 9/11 attacks? And a follow question. Why do you feel it is okay for Haliburton to move to this same al Qaida supporting country?
July 26th, 2007 at 3:30 pmYou forgot the part where Bush mangles the English language, because he can’t speak properly.
July 26th, 2007 at 3:32 pmTry this: ” Intelligence contradicts Bush”…….
July 26th, 2007 at 3:33 pmMr. Pee,
Have you gone back on your renunciation of Flaco?
July 26th, 2007 at 3:35 pmWhere is the news media??? Why are they not informing the masses?
copy and paste:
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This is interesting to not because SE Asia is one of the poorest places in the world where every 3.6 seconds, another person dies of starvation [Borgen Project]. 78% of Americans and the great Corporate Leaders of America agree that solving terrorism would be by solving global poverty so what is the United States waiting for?
July 26th, 2007 at 3:36 pmThe bloodiest Oil President ever needed a better war song to get his oily loot. There is nothing in Southern Asia except Harsish & Poppies and a tyrant sitting on real nukes (not like the idiotic Saddam Hussein who would hate himself in his grave for not getting the nukes in time. I mean, the idiot only got Ancient Toys of Mass Desruption).
July 26th, 2007 at 3:37 pmBush, Cheney & Co are talking the real oil which is in Saudi, (a country long enslaved by us), Iraq (a place where we are not doing so bad ((the pumps are gulping millions of barrels daily, if not billions…and with the rate we are doing we could suck their entire reserve dry before the end of 2010, and trust the successors to keep the good work on)) )…and maybe probably Iran (but I am sure we could leave Iran alone….the entire 2006 profit posting of Haliburton alone is x10 the entire total capital income of Iran)….I think the pig are well fattened for now, and kinda pleased….everything is as it should be.
So, I would tell y’all to shut the f**K up. Those boys getting killed in Iraq are not dying in vain. Atleast, they did the fat ceos’ of the big oil companies great benefit and pride!
Have you gone back on your renunciation of Flaco?
Comment by Egreggious — July 26, 2007 @ 3:35 pm
———————–
Flaco =/= The Joker
The Joker was the one who messed with SGT Higgins and Tired of Fighting.
Flaco is cool.
July 26th, 2007 at 3:37 pmMy bad.
I can’t keep all these alter egos straight.
July 26th, 2007 at 3:38 pmTrolls (as you wish to be called) will not banned by TP. You may right all the inane comments you can blather. We will protect your right to be assholes. That is what democracy is about.
July 26th, 2007 at 3:39 pmHowever, we cannot take responsibility for the new software that is availabe to determine you IP addresses.
Best wishes.
“I don’t want to leave a false impression that we’re talking about a monolithic organization.â€
but, but… this comicbook storyline plays better when Faux News breaks, “top officer in al Qaeda killed in Iraq” once a week.
July 26th, 2007 at 3:40 pmComment by warkosky — July 26, 2007 @ 3:37 pm
Who could argue with that!
July 26th, 2007 at 3:40 pmI just posted this on another thread but it bears repeating:
July 26th, 2007 at 3:44 pmAuthoritarian Aggression. When I say authoritarian followers are aggressive
I don’t mean they stride into bars and start fights. First of all, high RWAs go to church
enormously more often than they go to bars. Secondly, they usually avoid anything
approaching a fair fight. Instead they aggress when they believe right and might are
on their side. “Right†for them means, more than anything else, that their hostility is
(in their minds) endorsed by established authority, or supports such authority. “Mightâ€
means they have a huge physical advantage over their target, in weaponry say, or in
numbers, as in a lynch mob. It’s striking how often authoritarian aggression happens
in dark and cowardly ways, in the dark, by cowards who later will do everything they
possibly can to avoid responsibility for what they did. Women, children, and others
unable to defend themselves are typical victims. Even more striking, the attackers
typically feel morally superior to the people they are assaulting in an unfair fight. We
shall see research evidence in the next chapter that this self-righteousness plays a huge
role in high RWAs’ hostility.
The only organization GWB can be credited with creating in Iraq is AQI.
I wonder how many thank you letters the White House has received from Bin Ladin?
July 26th, 2007 at 3:44 pmFirst there was Sybil…. and now?……..Mr. Pee, care for an enema on the kitchen table?
July 26th, 2007 at 3:45 pmComment by warkosky — July 26, 2007 @ 3:37 pm
July 26th, 2007 at 3:47 pmIt will be the poor, disenfrancished and ex-members of our penal system ( the fastes rising Moslem polulation) that will be the next terrorists in America.
George Bush is fermenting a Middle-East breakout of terror on biblical proportions. That is his messianc goal; usher in the next coming, or at the very least take out country into facism.
July 26th, 2007 at 3:51 pmWatch the following:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4-TL5AGHFY
They seem to be saying at CNN that Mueller at the FBI is now contradicting Fredo’s testimony. I think he’s headed under the bus real soon.
July 26th, 2007 at 3:51 pmFirst there was Sybil…. and now?……..Mr. Pee, care for an enema on the kitchen table?
Comment by Bad Mommy — July 26, 2007 @ 3:45 pm
Well said. I always have said his mother need to pay more attention to him.
July 26th, 2007 at 3:54 pmThey seem to be saying at CNN that Mueller at the FBI is now contradicting Fredo’s testimony. I think he’s headed under the bus real soon.
Comment by Menehune — July 26, 2007 @ 3:51 pm
Bedtime for Gonzo!
July 26th, 2007 at 3:54 pmIn the event that Gonzo resigns, who will Bush appoint; Joseph Goebbels?
July 26th, 2007 at 3:58 pmWell, don’t worry any, your stock markets a crashing right now, and the Bush administrations will reap the harvest from “conservative” fiscal responsibility. DOW loses 400 points right this minute.
Hell, this is one successful admin. But maybe the big money guys will run from Bush now, too. He couldn’t even fulfil what was promised to them.
July 26th, 2007 at 3:59 pmOf course the Mueller/Gonzales Breaking News got replaced within five minutes by a new banner saying that Michael Vick pleaded not guilty to dog fighting. Nothing to see here.
July 26th, 2007 at 3:59 pmOT:
Max Blumenthal once again wanders into enemy territory at the Christians United for Israel Tour. And it’s packed with stars. Tom Delay! Joe Lieberman! Rick Santorum!
July 26th, 2007 at 4:00 pmDidn’t one troll call it the Bush boom, recently?
BOOOOM!
July 26th, 2007 at 4:00 pmAnd for not being a loyal Bushie this guy will be transferred to the CIA office in Barrow Alaska by COB Friday.
July 26th, 2007 at 4:05 pmThe imperialistic ways of America have created many a threat in many a place. Which will embolden the military industrial complex.
Lets be total dicks to people, and when they get angry and make threats of retaliation, we have a good reason to bomb the sh!t out of them. Yeah, I see now.
July 26th, 2007 at 4:06 pmDigg this :-
July 26th, 2007 at 4:06 pmSenate stronger than people who gave then the seats.
Bush stronger than the entire arm of goverment.
Cheney stronger than the “Bush”.
Haliburton ceos stronger than Cheney.
The oil shareholders stronger than the ceos.
The country weaker than the shareholders of oil companies.
Now the whole sh*t might be extended than we fear.
I mean, I hate this current picture; but I think Obama is right.
H’lary might be a demo, but a real republican when it comes to taking funds and donations from groups like AIPACS, and these smart guys whose bloody fantasies came tru…
I mean, she’s a perfectly “Blackmailable!” and under her, the prospect a nuking Iran might not be a pipe dream…I mean these guys could use her too.
Isnt that sweet for them, and bad for - noisemakes like us - the liberals ?
Al Queda Bin Laden and Al Queda Iraq are different heres the proof
The United States Finds Few Non-Iraqis Among Insurgents
“I can count them [foreign fighters] as a total I have engaged, dead or alive, in the 10 months I’ve been here on one hand,” says Col. David Sutherland, the U.S. commander of coalition forces in the hotly contested area of Diyala province,
http://news.yahoo.com/ s/ usnews/ 20070725/ ts_usnews/ theunitedstatesfindsfewnoniraqisamonginsurgents
so can the trolls shut the F()ck up and get wise
July 26th, 2007 at 4:07 pmWhy is it that anyone and everyone who comments publicly on “the terror threat” completely ignores the well-established and widely documented fact that the “extremism” and the “extremists” are vastly Saudi, supported by Saudis, and driven by a indigenous Saudi ideology????? It’s like a discussion of igloos that never once mentions eskimos!!! Why is everyone so pitifully ignorant that this discussion is allowed to continue!?
WTF!! - who is the general public supposed to turn to to know squat about squat, and when will “the public” have enough pride and self-respect to take it upon themselves to find out these things????
fuxsakes, people
July 26th, 2007 at 4:09 pmDenmark pulls out Iraq troops early
COPENHAGEN. Denmark has withdrawn most of the 430 troops it has stationed in Iraq earlier than expected, a report said Wednesday quoting the Danish military.
The battalion, stationed in the southern city of Basra since 2003, under British command, was supposed to begin pulling out its soldiers on August 10.
But, according to a report by the Iraqi correspondent of the Danish TV channel TV2, sustained attacks by insurgents have led to most of them heading home early.
Danish military spokesman Lieutenant-Colonel Jes Rasmussen denied that the early withdrawal was due to security reasons.
“We have found a way of packing our bags more quickly than expected and the soldiers have worked hard for that,” he told TV2.
More than 250 Danish soldiers had travelled to Kuwait en route back to Denmark, it was reported. Another 150 soldiers were expected to leave Basra soon on a date that could not be given for security reasons.
Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen announced in February that Denmark would withdraw the 430 troops it has operating under British command in northern Basra in August this year.
A unit of four Danish helicopters and 55 soldiers will work alongside the British until December.
http://www.focus-fen.net/?id=n117912
EVEN THE DANES HAVE HAD ENOUGH
July 26th, 2007 at 4:10 pm“Mr. Bin Laden (Democrat-SA) thanks you for being willing to ignore the presence of his outfit in Iraq.”
Mr. Bin Laden (R-SA) thanks you for being willing to ignore the presence of his outfit in Pakistan.
July 26th, 2007 at 4:10 pmIsnt that sweet for them, and bad for - noisemakes like us - the liberals ?
Comment by warkosky
July 26th, 2007 at 4:11 pmwarkowsky- I do not trust the money coming into her campaign. I’m going to watch this thing shake out before I make up my mind.
“Well, we should take all threats seriously.
Comment by Mr. President “
You are quite right Mr. President. I take the threat of Mr. Bush and his cronies towards our constitution and the rule of law very seriously.
July 26th, 2007 at 4:13 pmThe biggest threat to America is actually right wing idiots in power like Bush and Cheney
If only Al Gore had won the election , America would be respected worldwide by now
July 26th, 2007 at 4:13 pmThe biggest threat to America is actually right wing idiots in power like Bush and Cheney
If you cannot see this then you have an IQ as low as Bush
July 26th, 2007 at 4:15 pmI wish Bush would finally take his out of his butt, don’t you?
July 26th, 2007 at 4:16 pmTobey Hall: Karmic payback is a bitch, isn’t it? The truth is that Al Gore did win both the popular vote as well as the electoral vote - that is, before the hackers went to town (Katherine Harris and Jebbie Bush).
July 26th, 2007 at 4:17 pmEveryone knows that now.
“And I don’t want to leave a false impression that we’re talking about a monolithic organization.”
July 26th, 2007 at 4:17 pm* * *
Mm hm. The Prez would NEVER do anything like that, would he?
2009 : Ubetchucan pulled their 3 troops out of Iraq today. They were a huge part of the Third Term Bush coallition forces at this point. They accused the Bush Administration of lying about the barrel of oil promised them. Tony Snow, said, “Heh, the administratin likes Ubetchucan, but they are so arrogant, who cares if they leave?
July 26th, 2007 at 4:18 pmTheres a saying in Tennessee and I know its in Texas too
” its nobodies fault but mine”
Basically the American empire is dying in a cess pit of its own making, its really a shame for the nice people of America to be tarred with the same brush as neocons
But America as a whole voted for the mess its in today, enjoy it , Me sitting on the other side of the world and getting on with a great life with social benefits, health care and a fatastic qulaity of life DONT REALLY F()CKING CARE WHAT AMERICA DOES , the place is completely meaningless to us
July 26th, 2007 at 4:21 pm#36 Comment by funky p — July 26, 2007 @ 3:44 pm
Thanks for the article! (What does RWA mean.)
Excellent description of the neocon mindset! And of course of all the little trolls here on TP like Flaco and Mr. President. Although they all may be the same deranged troll. (Only TP would know and be sure to tell your doctor.)
Of course the article is talking in code as far as the trolls are concerned. Might take them a lifetime to decode it. Their level of communication is reduced to:
July 26th, 2007 at 4:22 pm“HEyOOOoOOOoOOOOoOOOOoOOOOOOOO!!!!!!”
Something you are likely to hear in the Amazon jungle by primates swinging from trees. (No offense Trip…)
And the answer comes back:
“HEyOOOoOOOoOOOOoOOOOoOOOOOOOO!!!!!!”
Never changes. Either in intellegence or in content.
In the event that Gonzo resigns, who will Bush appoint; Joseph Goebbels?
Comment by leftcoast — July 26, 2007 @ 3:58 pm
No. That’s Rove’s job
July 26th, 2007 at 4:25 pmJust a thought… if the article at the top of the thread is true, does that mean nearly every 7/11 in America is a breeding ground for future terrorists?
July 26th, 2007 at 4:25 pmWell, we should take all threats seriously.
Comment by Mr. President
And the biggest threat to our way of life is you, Mr. President.
July 26th, 2007 at 4:26 pmDidn’t one troll call it the Bush boom, recently?
BOOOOM!
Comment by doro — July 26, 2007 @ 4:00 pm
Mr. doro,
You seem to be happy about the stock market down turn. Where is your life savings, wrapped in a rubber band in your shirt pocket?
July 26th, 2007 at 4:29 pm“Heh, the administratin likes Ubetchucan, but they are so arrogant, who cares if they leave?
Comment by leftcoast
Ubetchucan… is that right next to Quackistan and Fraudistan?
July 26th, 2007 at 4:30 pmHEyOOOoOOOoOOOOoOOOOO, Mr. President !!!!
July 26th, 2007 at 4:31 pmHEyOOOoOOOoOOOoOOOOOO, FlaKo !!!!
#36 Comment by funky p — July 26, 2007 @ 3:44 pm
I didn’t know what RWA meant either but I didn’t want to say anything. I was afraid I’d get thrown out of TP open mike night.
July 26th, 2007 at 4:33 pmIndonesia is one of the most dangerous places in the world.
July 26th, 2007 at 4:33 pmPakistan and Indonesia both …
I was afraid I’d get thrown out of TP open mike night.
Comment by r
Nah, li’l r… we’ll just laugh you outta here, like we always do.
July 26th, 2007 at 4:34 pmI didn’t know what RWA meant either but I didn’t want to say anything. I was afraid I’d get thrown out of TP open mike night.
Comment by r — July 26, 2007 @ 4:33 pm
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me 2
i thought that i would look stupid if i were 2 ask for clarification,
July 26th, 2007 at 4:35 pmi just pretended 2 understand
#56
Digg this :-
Senate stronger than people who gave then the seats.
Bush stronger than the entire arm of goverment.
Cheney stronger than the “Bushâ€.
Haliburton ceos stronger than Cheney.
The oil shareholders stronger than the ceos.
The country weaker than the shareholders of oil companies.
Now the whole sh*t might be extended than we fear.
I mean, I hate this current picture; but I think Obama is right.
H’lary might be a demo, but a real republican when it comes to taking funds and donations from groups like AIPACS, and these smart guys whose bloody fantasies came tru…
I mean, she’s a perfectly “Blackmailable!†and under her, the prospect a nuking Iran might not be a pipe dream…I mean these guys could use her too.
Isnt that sweet for them, and bad for - noisemakes like us - the liberals ?
Comment by warkosky — July 26, 2007 @ 4:06 pm
All I can do is sit here alone in the basement and snap my fingers.
July 26th, 2007 at 4:35 pmTobey,
I usually like your posts, but when you get too aggro towards America, it does bother me.
All of your girls have bad teeth and smelly breath, over there in Great Britain.
July 26th, 2007 at 4:36 pmFlaco and Mr. President share adjoining cubicles down at the Troll Center. Occasionally they high-five over the partition when they have completely derailed a thread because they know they earned an extra dollar in their pay envelope. After work they like to go bowling and drink PBR. Then home to their respective parents’ basements and a late supper of Honey-Nut Cheerios.
July 26th, 2007 at 4:37 pmComment by Mr. President — July 26, 2007 @ 4:35 pm
You possess an uncommon skill at ignoring the cheap personal attacks of these radical anarchist lefties, Mr. President. Good for you.
July 26th, 2007 at 4:38 pmComment by Menehune — July 26, 2007 @ 4:37 pm
July 26th, 2007 at 4:39 pmHe types as he sits looking into the cracked mirror selflothingly…
Comment by CT Scan — July 26, 2007 @ 4:38 pm
**Cyber high-five**
July 26th, 2007 at 4:42 pm#85 No mirrors. It’s called remote viewing. A little technique I picked up over at the C.I.A. back in my younger years.
July 26th, 2007 at 4:44 pm#36 Comment by funky p — July 26, 2007 @ 3:44 pm
Thanks for the article! (What does RWA mean.)
Comment by Merlin — July 26, 2007 @ 4:22 pm
Hey Merlin. The book is written by Bob Altemeyer an associate professor of Psychology at U of Manitoba. His book is available as a PDF online, and was used by John Dean in his most recent work about the authoritarian mindset and how it is almost exclusively a conservative (Republican) far right mindset.
RWA stands for right wing authoritarian. It describes the type of person that is attracted to the authoritarian mindset, and some about authoritarian leaders. I recently started reading it, and yes, the troll mindset fits like a glove.
From the introduction:
Authoritarianism is something authoritarian followers and authoritarian
July 26th, 2007 at 4:45 pmleaders cook up between themselves. It happens when the followers submit too
much to the leaders, trust them too much, and give them too much leeway to do
whatever they want–which often is something undemocratic, tyrannical and
brutal. In my day, authoritarian fascist and authoritarian communist dictatorships
posed the biggest threats to democracies, and eventually lost to them in wars
both hot and cold. But authoritarianism itself has not disappeared, and I=m going
to present the case in this book that the greatest threat to American democracy
today arises from a militant authoritarianism that has become a cancer upon the
nation.
Oh, I thought your were describing the Middle East Males Authoritarianism over women.
Works just as good though - for all the feminists out there.
July 26th, 2007 at 4:52 pm#84 Comment by CT Scan — July 26, 2007 @ 4:38 pm
You possess an uncommon skill at ignoring the cheap personal attacks of these radical anarchist lefties, Mr. President. Good for you.
Yeah it might look that way. But its only because he doesn’t understand them. See my post #70… er never mind. You wouldn’t understand it either.
July 26th, 2007 at 4:57 pmOh, I thought your were describing the Middle East Males Authoritarianism over women.
Works just as good though - for all the feminists out there.
Comment by s — July 26, 2007 @ 4:52 pm
I do not know how cross-cultural these personalities are, but the belief that women should be subservient to men is a defining aspect of the Right Wing Authoritarian, usually with religion as the excuse.
For example these churches strongly advocate a traditional family structure of
July 26th, 2007 at 5:00 pmfather-as-head, mother as subservient to her husband and caretaker of the husband’s
begotten, and kids as subservient, period. The authoritarian followers who fill a lot of
the pews in these churches strongly agree. And they want everybody’s family to be
like that. (A word of advice, guys: check with your wives first.)
The Bible says women cannot survive without their “head” (the man). Ugh. sick stuff.
July 26th, 2007 at 5:03 pmChristianity thinks women are less than, as well as Muslims. Christianity just hides it better.
July 26th, 2007 at 5:04 pm#88 Comment by funky p — July 26, 2007 @ 4:45 pm
Thanks for the tease and the answer!
I will get it right after I finish Glenn Greenwald’s new book, “A Tragic Legacy.” An excellent read, by the way. Greenwald rocks! He makes the powerful case of how the entire thrust of Bush is based around “Good vs Evil” and how, because of that, he has been manipulated by the factions that are driving “The Decider.” (like the religious right and the neocon warmongers.)
July 26th, 2007 at 5:07 pm#
The Bible says women cannot survive without their “head†(the man). Ugh. sick stuff.
Comment by ForTruth — July 26, 2007 @ 5:03 pm
Christianity thinks women are less than, as well as Muslims. Christianity just hides it better.
Comment by ForTruth — July 26, 2007 @ 5:04 pm
All that stuff is true, and I did not intend to hijack the thread. I just have been struck by the consistency of the troll posts in terms of meeting the criteria for Right Wing Authoritarians. These people make up some 23% of the general population. (ironically, about Bush’s approval rating). These are the die hards in America who still cling to the Bush cabal’s cloud of lies as if they were golden nuggets of truth and wisdom. And here, on this thread, another official contradicts the fog of lies we have been getting from this criminal administration. And the trolls are fine with fearless leader wanting to kill dark skinned people to protect us from al Qaeda and the people who god put on our oil.
July 26th, 2007 at 5:13 pm#93 Comment by ForTruth — July 26, 2007 @ 5:04 pm
Christianity thinks women are less than, as well as Muslims. Christianity just hides it better.
They don’t hide it at all! In Catholicism, where are the women priests? The obvious list is long. Nuns are respected for their subservience in my view, although it is not stated openly. Actions scream louder than papal encyclicals.
July 26th, 2007 at 5:14 pmComment by Merlin — July 26, 2007 @ 4:57 pm
Comment by Merlin — July 26, 2007 @ 4:22 pm
Your post doesn’t explain anything, neither does it reference Mr. President’s ignorance of the inane personal attacks of the venomous left.
There’s no shortage of untalented libetroll employees. Heck, there may even be some layoffs. Wages are also stagnant.
July 26th, 2007 at 5:21 pm#95 Comment by funky p — July 26, 2007 @ 5:13 pm
… I did not intend to hijack the thread.
You did not do that! This is not Off Topic at all! RWA needs to be talked about again and again until it becomes a mantra of the American public. They are hiding this ideology through many means! It has many heads like Medusa. We keep arguing and cutting off one head (issue, with true facts,) or another but another grows to replace it! Attack the ideology!
We need to go to the psychological heart of these sick people and expose their basic sickness. That sickness shows up in every issue that is important to the American people. Whether its women’s rights, foreign policy or poverty. George Lakoff pushes this point as well. Unfortunately he is misunderstood… Sigh.
July 26th, 2007 at 5:27 pmEveryone covered the words of Bozo Bush when he spoke the other day, but so far, no one has covered a word of this testimony today.
This doesn’t even fall under the political heading of liberal or coservative — this is about America — but it makes a fool and/or a liar out of the stupid one, so no one will show a clip, or print a word of it.
July 26th, 2007 at 5:27 pmThe media is not liberal — they are the ones making everything political and if it makes Bushie look bad, it’s “liberal” and therefore untouchable.
#97 Comment by CT Scan — July 26, 2007 @ 5:21 pm
Your post doesn’t explain anything, neither does it reference Mr. President’s ignorance of the inane personal attacks of the venomous left.
As I said, “You wouldn’t understand it either.” You have just proved my point!
HEyOOOoOOOoOOOOoOOOOO, understand that better?
I thought so.
July 26th, 2007 at 5:31 pmThe Bible says women cannot survive without their “head†(the man). Ugh. sick stuff.
Comment by ForTruth — July 26, 2007 @ 5:03 pm
And the female praying mantis gnaws off her mate’s head as he engages in foreplay. That is real insurance that he will never cheat on her.
July 26th, 2007 at 5:36 pmTrue Merlin.
In the Catholic Church, its the elephant in the room. No women priests. Even the Sisters have to be practically dead to be called “mother”. Jeez.
July 26th, 2007 at 5:37 pmGood stuff WaltTheMan!
I’ll stay away from those female praying mantis types.
July 26th, 2007 at 5:42 pmPapal encyclicals are just g*ddamned pieces of paper!
July 26th, 2007 at 5:44 pmComment by Merlin — July 26, 2007 @ 5:31 pm
Be sure not to confuse anybody’s comprehension skills with the fact that your postings are cliched lefty gibberish.
‘Merlin’ goes to prove the ‘pompous, entitled’ assertion of blogcrats, an issue I raise in the thread directly above.
July 26th, 2007 at 5:48 pmPapal encyclicals are just g*ddamned pieces of paper!
Comment by ForTruth — July 26, 2007 @ 5:44 pm
Like Constitutions!
July 26th, 2007 at 5:49 pmPapal encyclicals are just g*ddamned pieces of paper!
Comment by ForTruth — July 26, 2007 @ 5:44 pm
Like Constitutions!
Comment by funky p — July 26, 2007 @ 5:49 pm
Like blog posts - well… …if you print them out. Heh.
July 26th, 2007 at 6:00 pm#105 Comment by CT Scan — July 26, 2007 @ 5:48 pm
‘Merlin’ goes to prove the ‘pompous, entitled’ assertion of blogcrats, an issue I raise in the thread directly above.
HaaaaaHaaaaaHaaaaa
Keep tryin,’ fool. You are such an easy punching bag! Oooooh, that soothing sound as your head bangs around. Keep responding and meekly defending yourself, fool. More Blappity, blappity bilppity, blap. Too bad you cabn’t hear that sound your head makes.
July 26th, 2007 at 6:02 pmreeks of trolldung in here
these guys will be here years from now, still yammering away like streetcorner kooks with cardboard commandments, long after they’ve been rendered moot, like some sad japanese soldiers stranded on a pacific island in ‘55, digging their foxholes and securing their perimeters…
btw, and i repeat - islamic terrorsim/fundamentalism is Saudi Arabia’s doing - has been, and will be, til we free ourselves from their stateside shills like dubbie and his worthless, fundy, coxukker, texas/baptist petro-biz buttbuddies
July 26th, 2007 at 6:07 pmKeep tryin,’ fool. You are such an easy punching bag! Oooooh, that soothing sound as your head bangs around. Keep responding and meekly defending yourself, fool. More Blappity, blappity bilppity, blap. Too bad you cabn’t hear that sound your head makes.
Comment by Merlin — July 26, 2007 @ 6:02 pm
…And now to the issue of lefty personal attacks, the #1 issue that makes the “blogosphere” a surefire venemous swamp.
Why do you hate America, Merlin?
July 26th, 2007 at 6:10 pm2004 election
Bush received about 51 percent of the votes cast (62 million votes),
2000 election
Gore failed to win the popular vote in his home state of Tennessee, which both he and his father had represented in the Senate. Had he won Tennessee, he could have won the election without Florida.
Dumb Dems that’s the truth!
July 26th, 2007 at 6:11 pm111 - WRONG!!!! We have a Loser!!!!!!
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/072607A.shtml
losers such as yourself , flaky one, and your mancrush hero King Dullard the Last, must always cheat to win.
July 26th, 2007 at 6:14 pm2004 election
Bush received about 51 percent of the votes cast (62 million votes),
2000 election
Gore failed to win the popular vote in his home state of Tennessee, which both he and his father had represented in the Senate. Had he won Tennessee, he could have won the election without Florida.
Dumb Dems that’s the truth!
Comment by Flaccido
In 2004, Bush won the popular vote by 2.7%, the smallest margin of victory for an incumbent president since 1828. That’s 1828. And he was not only the incumbent but a war-time incumbent. Bush 2004 won because of a very narrow victory in one state, Ohio.
So, what’s your point? Oh, I forgot. You don’t have one.
July 26th, 2007 at 6:39 pmI will get it right after I finish Glenn Greenwald’s new book, “A Tragic Legacy.†An excellent read, by the way. Greenwald rocks! He makes the powerful case of how the entire thrust of Bush is based around “Good vs Evil†and how, because of that, he has been manipulated by the factions that are driving “The Decider.†(like the religious right and the neocon warmongers.)
Comment by Merlin
Me, too! Seriously, I’ve recommended the book on several threads at TP. Excellent book.
Maybe someone could explain to the trolls what a “book” is.
July 26th, 2007 at 6:41 pm#110 Comment by CT Scan — July 26, 2007 @ 6:10 pm
Why do you hate America, Merlin?
You keep right on “staying the course,” fool! Love to hear inane comments. Keep tryin’ to gain a foot hold. You haven’t got a chance, fool.
Blappity, blappity bilppity, blap!
BwaaaaaHaaaaaHaaaaaaa
July 26th, 2007 at 7:01 pm#114 Comment by gummitch — July 26, 2007 @ 6:41 pm
Maybe someone could explain to the trolls what a “book†is.
OK. I’ll give it a try.
HeYOOOoOOOOoOOOOoOOOOOoOOOO.
July 26th, 2007 at 7:07 pmIn the event that Gonzo resigns, who will Bush appoint; Joseph Goebbels?
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July 26th, 2007 at 7:18 pmI think Himmler would be the closer equivalent.
In the event that Gonzo resigns, who will Bush appoint; Joseph Goebbels?
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I think Himmler would be the closer equivalent.
Comment by bogtrotters — July 26, 2007 @ 7:18 pm
Gee, that’s a tossup. They are both dead. Perhaps Alito or Roberts?
July 26th, 2007 at 7:23 pmsouth asia? - does he mean indonesia?
July 26th, 2007 at 9:40 pmThe trolls here are really not very smart. All they can do is parrot what they have been told. Sometimes not very well. I came across this today and just had to share it. This is what these gutless wonders are made of. What a sad group they are.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ max-blumenthal/ generation-chickenhawk-t_b_56676.html
July 26th, 2007 at 10:10 pmComment by KayT — July 26, 2007 @ 10:10 pm
Exactly! They are the same everywhere. “Seen one troll, seen ‘em all” The walking emotional dead in its early phase. They do provide lots of humor as their heads get punched around here on TP.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:21 pm“Biggest” threat is in South Asia; all the more reason for the Country to go to war somewhere else: To chase them _there_.
OMG. . . This President is insane.
July 26th, 2007 at 10:58 pmOff topic. This is a story that every American must see.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:56 amhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp-dyn/ content/ article/ 2007/ 07/ 26/ AR2007072602025.html
Sorry for reposting - but not feeling too bad since Pete is doing the same . . . if you’re not interested, scroll doll past this post
Responding to post by O. Bigfoot — July 26, 2007 @ 12:23 pm
Big Zero, you are a piece of work. To say:
In spite of Hitler’s evil, he was a fascinating character in what he was able to accomplish during his lifetime. Who knows how far Hitler could have gone in destroying European nations and rebuilding them in his image had it not been for the United States’ “interventionismâ€.
Yikes!!! You admire Hitler!!! ………………..Not good.
Hitler embarked on a war of aggression, not unlike Bush. Driven by his delusion that he was on God’s mission.
Fortunately, genocide isn’t (or doesn’t at this point appear to be) on dub’ya’s mind.
GWB started this disaster based on his desire to rectify what he perceived to be his father’s failure. He appealed to greed, his own and that of his buds, as well as his utter faith in the ignorance of the American people, to get the thumbs up. This was not a war to stop a genocide, it was a war to settle a beef. Not yours. Not mine. Not the thousands of soldiers who sacrificed their lives. For his.
If Halliburton and the Bush “Rangers†can make a buck in the process . . . . Yee Haw!
Napolean complex run amok. Perhaps that’s why you want to super-size yourself . . . size zero “big†foot.
Comment by rockyroad — July 27, 2007 @ 12:09 am
Anon,
You raise good points. Why did Pelosi come right out of the box asserting that no empeachment proceedings were in the works? I’m a bit rushed, but that’s a question that deserves an answer.
We must know who knew what and when they knew it.
Comment by rockyroad — July 27, 2007 @ 12:30 am
Recognizing that Anon is a troll, I’ve got to say . . . here in blog-land, we are demanding action, and we are getting none. If dems are complicit in the various debacles, our good dems have no ultimate incentive to tackle these problems.
These facts and this knowledge could come back and bite dems.
Perhaps Pelosi has weighed the odds and decided to obfuscate.
Me? Dem, Repug . . . . don’t care. Just want the truth.
Empeach the whole lot of them.
Comment by rockyroad — July 27, 2007 @ 12:46 am
July 27th, 2007 at 1:27 amPete, sorry to break your suprise - but the AP report is absolutely sickening . . . a few key excerpts:
“The doctors _ whose names were blacked out _ said that the bullet holes were so close together that it appeared the Army Ranger was cut down by an M-16 fired from a mere 10 yards or so away.
. . . .
_In his last words moments before he was killed, Tillman snapped at a panicky comrade under fire to shut up and stop ’sniveling.’
_ Army attorneys sent each other congratulatory e-mails for keeping criminal investigators at bay as the Army conducted an internal friendly-fire investigation that resulted in administrative, or non-criminal, punishments.”
Yeah, thank God we’re fighting the terrorists.
(Lord help us all)
Compliments AP
July 27th, 2007 at 1:44 amSatyam,
Do you speak English? Read English? Can you comprehend English?
Bush: “Iraq is central to the war on terror”
Satyam, attempting to parse Bush: “Iraq is the central terror threat”
Are these statements congruent? No, they’re not.
As Gistaro explained, the primary concern is al Qaeda i South Asia, you know, where bin Laden is? Thus, as Bush said, Iraq is central because he says bin Laden and his men are running the enterprise in Iraq.
The primary concern is thus the men behind the operation, al Qaeda with bin Laden, while Iraq is a central battleground because al Qaeda is using it to attack US soldiers and create a safe haven where they can plan and train for attacks.
If only Think Progress writers comprehended English… Well, actually, they probably do - they’re just being dishonest.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:31 amThe terrorist group that attacked us on 9/11 has been empowered and glorified by the unjust war in Iraq. Now they are thriving in Iraq because of Bush. And he is now trying to use this fact to his advantage as an excuse for continuing the illegal war. How much longer will the lies and mass murders of this administration be tolerated?
July 27th, 2007 at 5:15 pm1. What year was it exactly that the U.S. began supporting the charge of terroristic threats as apposed to verbal threats?
2. Where can I find a case that discribes a definition of this term?
3. Does each state have the lattitude to defne this term as it sees fit?
4. Who among us natural born citizens were convicted of the verbal charge of terroristic threats?
August 5th, 2007 at 11:09 pm