Baghdad Residents Receiving Just One Hour Of Electricity Per Day
Baghdad Residents Receiving Just One Hour Of Electricity Per Day
In Sept. 2003, President Bush promised that he would help Iraqis “restore basic services, such as electricity and water, and to build new schools, roads, and medical clinics. This effort is essential to the stability of those nations, and therefore, to our own security.”
Before the war, Baghdad residents received 16-24 average hours of electricity each day. But on July 19, the U.S. ambassador to Iraq Ryan Crocker said that residents of Baghdad are now receiving just one or two hours of electricity each day — the lowest level of the war:
The hard fact is, Senator, the availability of electricity — (off mike) — in Baghdad is still at very low levels — an hour or two a day. It’s better in much of the rest of the country, but — (off mike) — Baghdad in the middle of summer. There are a lot of reasons for it, and the main reasons have to do with continued attacks by insurgents against the electrical transmission lines and against the fuel pipeline that provide the — (inaudible) — that you need to generate electricity. It’s one more in a long series of problems, but it’s a very real problem for many, many Iraqis.
But as the LA Times notes, “that piece of data has not been sent to lawmakers for months because the State Department, which prepares a weekly ’status report’ for Congress on conditions in Iraq, stopped estimating in May how many hours of electricity Baghdad residents typically receive each day.” Instead, the State Department is just reporting electricity levels nationwide, which “does not indicate how much power Iraqis in Baghdad or elsewhere actually receive.”
Crocker’s excuse that it’s “the middle of the summer” is not an explanation for the abysmally low electricity levels. Last year in July — before Bush’s surge — Baghdad received seven hours/day (data compiled by The Brookings Institution):
Earlier this month, Crocker told CBS News that electricity “is more important to the average Iraqi than all 18 benchmarks rolled up into one.”
Editor’s Note: We left June off the chart because no State Department data is available. July is based on Crocker’s remarks.
UPDATE: On June 14, 2006, Bush spoke about ways to measure progress in Iraq, stating, “You can measure progress in megawatts of electricity delivered.”
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Well ‘cuz the AmeriKKKans are taking it all to build the embassy!
Mission accomplished!
July 27th, 2007 at 12:32 pm“In Sept. 2003, President Bush promised that he would help Iraqis “restore basic services, such as electricity and water, and to build new schools, roads, and medical clinics. “
So, where did the billions of dollars of our taxpayer dollars to that were supposed to pay for these things?
And one wonders why the Iraqi’s hate us and want us to leave. That’s a no-brainer.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:32 pmNow, Occupyin’ is hard work,
July 27th, 2007 at 12:34 pmHeckuva job, Darth, chympie, Rove, et al.
Some one check Haliburtons coffers, I am willing to bet they have a lot of the missing money hidden in Dubai.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:35 pmYou might want to fix the label on the chart to “2006-2007“
July 27th, 2007 at 12:35 pmTerrorists know what there doing. Iraqis will overcome and come through this.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:35 pmWell I am glad someone is taking energy conservation to heart. I just can’t understand why they aren’t thanking us more for bringing them this “democracy” thing we throw about when we need to cover our tracks
July 27th, 2007 at 12:36 pmMickey Moore owns some Halliburton stock. I bet he is making some money now!
July 27th, 2007 at 12:36 pmHere’s their energy solution: Squirrels on treadmills chasing a dangling acorn.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:37 pmI wonder how much they’ll get when we have a precipitous withdrawl and Al Qaeda slaughters them all. Ask Obama and Hillary.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:39 pmWho needs electricity when you have “freedom?”
July 27th, 2007 at 12:39 pmHere’s their energy solution: Squirrels on treadmills chasing Bush’s dangling testicles…
July 27th, 2007 at 12:39 pmMission Demolished!
“So, where did the billions of dollars of our taxpayer dollars to that were supposed to pay for these things?” Let me take a WAG on that…it got recycled to Republican front companies who held fundraisers to “elect” GW Bush in 2004. Remember how the #1 criteria for the CPA hiring was that you had to be a good Republican, preferably inexperienced and totally clueless?
July 27th, 2007 at 12:40 pm“Just One Hour Of Electricity Per Day”
-All part of the plan to hinder commincations amongst the Iraqi people in order to avoid opposition. Operation ‘Keep them in the Dark’.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:40 pm——
I believe they would cut services here in the same manner in the event of Martial Law. It’s how you keep a majority down.
Oh, but not in the Green Zone.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:41 pmBush blames Al Gore.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:43 pmThank God the Americans are there!
Can you imagine the carnage and atrocities that would ensue if we left Iraq to the Crazed-Islamo-Murders?
July 27th, 2007 at 12:43 pmActually, it’s a great tactic.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:45 pmWith only one hour a day, that’s not enough to keep cell phones charged, so they can’t be used to trigger IEDs.
Brilliant tactical maneuver.
Course it’s going to piss off so many people that they’ll be wanting to blow themselves up just to get out of the heat, but brilliant tactical maneuver.
Here’s their energy solution: Squirrels on treadmills chasing a dangling acorn.
Sounds like GDumbya and the Keystone Kops who blundered into this dirty little war in the first place. They’re still chasing that little acorn.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:45 pm“Can you imagine the carnage and atrocities that would ensue if we left Iraq to the Crazed-Islamo-Murders?”
They said the same of Vietnam and there was relative calm after the U.S. troops left. Big trouble came with the Americans and will leave with them.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:47 pmGee, what a shock that the administration:
–running this war and dictating how things should be done in Baghdad,
–that has as one of its fundamental tenets that “government is Bad”
–that let New Orleans get destroyed by an anticipated hurricane and has let that entire region rot for the last two years through sheer incompetence
–that would like to “norquist” the government in the US (i.e., drown it in a bathtub)
should prove itself completely befuddled as to how to organize and run operations to support the iraqi government.
I’m shocked I tells ya!
July 27th, 2007 at 12:49 pm#11 DiM WIT IS RIGHT.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:49 pmAl Qaeda slaughters them all. Ask Obama and Hillary.
Comment by The Left Hates our Troops — July 27, 2007 @ 12:39 pm
This is not the agenda of Al Qaeda. Besides if we were to leave I have been told they would follow us here so who would be left to conduct your slaughter?
July 27th, 2007 at 12:50 pmThis Crocker guy probably doesn’t exist. Or if he does, he’s a liberal America-hater. Or maybe Mexican or gay or something.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:51 pmWow, Dickwad Cheney owns $$Millions$$ worth of Halliburton stock AND he directs no-bid government contract to Halliburton.
He’s a total BOOB.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:52 pmI bet the U.S. Embassy has all the electricity it needs. Plus space for a large number of people to camp out there. Since we’re over there to “help” them, I would think we could be a little neighborly here…
July 27th, 2007 at 12:53 pmMickey Moore owns a lot Halliburton stock. I bet he is making some money now!
July 27th, 2007 at 12:54 pmThe United States could care less about what the Iraq people don’t have unless they can use it to get more money from the US Treasury. Millions have left Iraq to Iran/Syria notice none to the US. We are in Iraq to steal oil and have control of an area to bomb other countries with oil. Slaves have built the US Embassy and the US paid Iraq leaders are on vacation because it’s to hot right now in Iraq. The Bush Administration wants to use the US military to force countries to do as the White House says. The world sees that the real Axis of Evil is the United States of America.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:54 pmPresident Bush was heard to say, “Who cares? I don’t give a cr*p about the Iraqi people. Now, where’s my oil money? heh heh.”
July 27th, 2007 at 12:55 pmHey smaller carbon footprint. We are making progress thanks to Al the Goracle.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:55 pmThank God the British are there!
Can you imagine the carnage and atrocities that would ensue if we left America to the Crazed-Colonists?
Comment by King George III (the other crazy guy) — July 27, 1775 @ 12:43 pm
July 27th, 2007 at 12:56 pmComment by Cecil — July 27, 2007 @ 12:47 pm
Comparing the conflict in Vietnam (political), to the conflict in Iraq (cultural), is irresponsible.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:57 pmMaybe they’re just helping to fight “global warming.”
It’s called “conservation.”
You should try it.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:57 pmFox “News” should shut down and donate their electricity to the Iraqi people. Maybe we could ship it over to the Iraqis in the form of AAA batteries.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:58 pmTemperatures in mid summer in Baghdad can exceed 130 degrees in the shade, so one hour of electricity is next to worthless. Americans who cannot understand the misery, in Iraq, should visit Death Valley in California to feel how horrible it is in Iraq.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:58 pmBut look at all the painted schools! Just don’t look at night.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:58 pm#33
HEyoooOOOooo!!!
What’s up, muckdog?!
July 27th, 2007 at 12:59 pm#17
Thank God the Americans are there!
Can you imagine the carnage and atrocities that would ensue if we left Iraq to the Crazed-Islamo-Murders?
Comment by Mr. President
July 27th, 2007 at 1:00 pm—————————————————————————–
President Bush is doing the right thing.
The Iraqis need the US to support them during this difficult time and not abandon Iraq.
“Mickey Moore owns a lot Halliburton stock. I bet he is making some money now! ”
*****OWNED*******
I bought Halliburton stock a couple of years back. I sold it, made a bundle, donated to leftwing media causes,then rebought Halliburton during a slight downturn. I recommend it to all on the left. Use their greed against them.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:00 pmWhat has the President (and not the pissant blogging here) promised to the people of Iraq? What has he delivered? I’d like to see the list and let’s check off all that has been accomplished. Let’s also get on the PINO’s ass and demand to know the status of the remaining items on the list.
Simple really. Where are the promises. Where is the accountability.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:03 pmComment by King George III (the other crazy guy) — July 27, 1775 @ 12:43 pm
Comment by Innocent Bystander — July 27, 2007 @ 12:56 pm
Delectable!
July 27th, 2007 at 1:05 pmto the conflict in Iraq (cultural), is irresponsible.
Comment by Mr. President
I guess those are books and paintings that are being killed everyday.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:06 pmNotice the massive slump in May to July when the Oil contracts should have been signed
Bush is also starving food and medical supplies too since May
Bush is a Nazi for sure
July 27th, 2007 at 1:06 pmThe Iraqis need the US to support them during this difficult time and not abandon Iraq.
The real, you know, Iraqis seem to think otherwise.
Conservatives: not safe outside their fantasy world.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:06 pm.
We’re using up all the power to electricute their testicles - so there has been a lot of progress in the surge, in terms of fried scrotums. But the politically correct librul media won’t tell you that.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:07 pmPresident Bush is doing the right thing.
The Iraqis need the US to support them during this difficult time and not abandon Iraq.
Comment by Flaco — July 27, 2007 @ 1:00 pm
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I know.
Remember when Clinton let nearly 1 million Tutsis die in Rwanda?
Tragic, and detestable. It will haunt him for the rest of his life, I’m sure.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:07 pmComparing the conflict in Vietnam (political), to the conflict in Iraq (cultural), is irresponsible.
Yes, and questioning Bush’s failure means we’re not “serious.”
See? When conservatives are losing, they just move the goal posts. And, since no one can remember the last thing conservatives got right, said goalposts are now mounted on golf-carts.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:09 pm.
yes Clinton foriegn policy was terrible
July 27th, 2007 at 1:09 pmRemember when Clinton let nearly 1 million Tutsis die in Rwanda?
Nope, and neither do you because it wasn’t in Clinton’s authority to do a damned thing about it.
History is written by the winners. Revisionist history is written by the conservatives.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:10 pm.
Remember when Clinton let nearly 1 million Tutsis die in Rwanda?
Tragic, and detestable. It will haunt him for the rest of his life, I’m sure.
Comment by Mr. President
July 27th, 2007 at 1:11 pm——————————————————-
He did apoligize though. He must feel their pain and loss.
Why should the Iraqis get any better support from Dubya and BushCo than the victims of Katrina; we already know how effective they can be to major issues.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:11 pmHistory is written by the winners. Revisionist history is written by the conservatives.
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Comment by Grand Moff Texan — July 27, 2007 @ 1:10 pm
Wasn’t it Napolean who said that “history was the agreed upon fantasy” or something along those lines?
July 27th, 2007 at 1:13 pmHe did apoligize though. He must feel their pain and loss
Kinda fun, watching the last two bushtards on earth doing it “troll style.”
July 27th, 2007 at 1:13 pm.
I guess those are books and paintings that are being killed everyday.
Comment by Juan C — July 27, 2007 @ 1:06 pm
July 27th, 2007 at 1:13 pm————
In order to resolve the conflict, a clear understanding of the contributing factors is absolutely imperative. The sectarian violence in Iraq is religious in nature and cannot be compared to the political situation in Vietnam.
#20 - Did you forget about Saigon? That was only a million people that were slaughtered, but still…
July 27th, 2007 at 1:14 pmIn order to resolve the conflict, a clear understanding of the contributing factors is absolutely imperative.
Why didn’t anyone tell the chymp that before the invasion>?
July 27th, 2007 at 1:14 pmAll Clinton could think about was sex, and more sex.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:14 pmThat distracted him on a daily basis thinking about how he could get laid.
dbadass: “History is a set of lies agreed upon.”
Considering the state of history in the early eighteenth century, I can see his point.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:14 pm.
In order to resolve the conflict, a clear understanding of the contributing factors is absolutely imperative.
Which is why Bush had to have the difference between Sunni and Shi’ite explained to him … after the invasion began.
This is what is known as “serious foreign policy thinking.”
July 27th, 2007 at 1:16 pm.
All Clinton could think about was sex, and more sex.
That distracted him on a daily basis thinking about how he could get laid.
Comment by Flaco — July 27, 2007 @ 1:14 pm
As opposed to W’s distraction of trying to get his God to like him?
July 27th, 2007 at 1:16 pmHe did apoligize though. He must feel their pain and loss.
Comment by Flaco — July 27, 2007 @ 1:11 pm
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Not really.
Clinton used weasel words and tryed to play dumb. He denied that he knew about the genocide that was taking place, but he knew perfectly well how many innocent lives were taken on a daily basis.
He is a failure as a human-being.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:16 pmAll Clinton could think about was sex, and more sex.
Or at least that’s all that FOX “News” would talk about, and some people were dumb enough to believe it.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:16 pm.
Comment by Grand Moff Texan — July 27, 2007 @ 1:14 pm
Thanks! I knew it was something like that.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:16 pmWhat? no list from PINO supporters? No concrete evidence of the great work that this administration has done? This thread shows some pretty damaging evidence that there hasn’t been an improvement of electricity in Baghdad. I’d like to see where they are with the sanitary system, the public services such as garbage removal, street maint and such.
All involved deserve to see progress. All trolls here are content to spew digibitching strawmen. They like the shadows.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:17 pmAll that stuff about Clinton is right-wing disinformation, you know. Read “The Hunting of the President” by Joe Conason and Gene Lyons.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:18 pmHard to believe they’re upset with their occupiers.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:18 pmAs opposed to W’s distraction of trying to get his God to like him?
I don’t for a moment buy into the assumption that Bush believes in God. Republicans have simply realized that Marx was right about religion being the ‘opiate of the masses’ and used it to divide America.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:19 pm.
Did you forget about Saigon? That was only a million people that were slaughtered, but still…
Comment by God Help Us
You mean before or after Napalm?
July 27th, 2007 at 1:20 pmHe is a failure as a human-being.
Comment by Mr. President
Keep cheering Iran next bombing and slave slabor, Mr. “Saudis are not Muslims and Russia is an Islamic country”. What a joke.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:21 pmHey, hey, hey, that’s biased. I bet the ligts of the USA monstro-embassy are lit 24/7
July 27th, 2007 at 1:21 pmI honestly cannot imagine surviving in 130 degree heat. Or even 110 degrees for that matter! The anger the Iraqis must be feeling for the U.S. after what we’ve done to their country must be deep.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:21 pm…and Clinton allowed the Rwadan genocide during his peace time Presidency.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:22 pmIt’s not like he was fighting terrorism or a war. He had lots of freetime to do something but again he is just another Bubba looking for a “good time”.
Flaco, hows that ark going? Remember to put the dinosaurs in there just like Noah did, nutjob.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:22 pmFALLUJAH, Jun 27 (IPS) - Strict curfew and tight security measures have brought difficult living conditions and heightened tempers to residents of this besieged city.
The siege in this city located 60km west of Baghdad has entered its second month. There is little sign of any international attention to the plight of the city. Fallujah, which is largely sympathetic to the Iraqi resistance, was assaulted twice by the U.S. military in 2004.
The second attack in November destroyed roughly three-quarters of the city of 350,000 residents. Now, Fallujah faces assault of another kind by way of a strict curfew where people are closed in from all sides.
Many people who had earlier supported the Iraqi police that works with the U.S. military, now oppose it.
“We have supplies but it is impossible to reach the families. They are afraid to leave their homes to look for food, and children are getting sick with diarrhoea caused by the dirty water they are drinking,” IAA spokesman Fatah Ahmed told reporters. “We have information that pregnant women are delivering their babies at home as the curfew is preventing them from reaching hospital.”
http://www.dahrjamailiraq.com/ hard_news/ archives/ iraq/ 000605.php#more
TOTALLY UNNACTCEPTABLE BEHAVIOUR — ALL I CAN SAY IS YOUR WORSE THAN NAZIS -
July 27th, 2007 at 1:22 pmClinton used weasel words and tryed to play dumb. He denied that he knew about the genocide that was taking place
No, his administration speficially referred to genocide and actually used the word (something Frontline nailed him for), but the move received no international support. In fact, his adminstration was roundly criticized at the time for exactly that, especially by the left.
And then Sean Hannity fed some moron these talking points and the rest is [revisionist] history.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:23 pm.
I don’t for a moment buy into the assumption that Bush believes in God. Republicans have simply realized that Marx was right about religion being the ‘opiate of the masses’ and used it to divide America.
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Comment by Grand Moff Texan — July 27, 2007 @ 1:19 pm
This gets the prize for most intelligent thought I have seen this morning.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:23 pmObviously the morally and intellectually bankrupt trolls think this is some kind of joke. Listen up, assholes: people are really suffering in Iraq, and it is because of you and all the other losers who put Bush into power and enable him. Women are suffering, children are suffering, and it goes on day after day, year after year, misery you obviously cannot begin to comprehend. You are genuinely sick, mean, hateful people.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:23 pm#69 Juan C
We are following the same plan as we did in Vietnam; We have to destroy the country (and the residents) in order to save it (and them)!
And we see how well this plan has worked out!
July 27th, 2007 at 1:23 pmALL I CAN SAY IS YOUR [sic] WORSE THAN NAZIS
If that’s all you can say, call your highschool and demand your money back.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:24 pm.
“All Clinton could think about was …”
And all Grover Cleveland could think about was railroads, railroads, railroads…Geezus Herbert Kreist, you are pointless.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:25 pmWhat does Clinton’s sex life have to do with the fact that Iraqis are getting ONE hour of electricity a day - 4 YEARS after “Mission Accomplished”??
Especially given that in the Green Zone (where most Iraqis aren’t allowed entrance) they have electricity 24/7, clean water, hospitals and medicine, pizza and fast food, air-conditioning, clean swimming pools, plenty of alcohol, gasoline for their cars, and SO much more! In the Green Zone - where we are building the largest embassy in the world with kidnapped slave labor - I bet THEY have electricity too!
July 27th, 2007 at 1:25 pm#82 What does Clinton’s sex life have to do with the fact that Iraqis are getting ONE hour of electricity a day - 4 YEARS after “Mission Accomplished�?
Comment by JG
JG, you have to remember, the lack of focus and inability to stay on task is why these trolls are still living in mom’s basement at age 36.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:27 pmIs this a part of the “values” system? Isn’t Bush representing the party of VALUES? I don’t consider this values. I consider this hypocritical, criminal and despicable.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:27 pmHey Mr. President ace is here!!!
July 27th, 2007 at 1:27 pmNo, his administration speficially referred to genocide and actually used the word (something Frontline nailed him for), but the move received no international support. In fact, his adminstration was roundly criticized at the time for exactly that, especially by the left.
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Comment by Grand Moff Texan — July 27, 2007 @ 1:23 pm
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Wrong.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:28 pmhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/ rwanda/ story/ 0,14451,1183889,00.html
JG, you have to remember, the lack of focus and inability to stay on task is why these trolls are still living in mom’s basement at age 36.
Comment by upside00
Not to mention it’s past feeding time, as they’ve Failed to Lunch!
July 27th, 2007 at 1:28 pmMickey Moore owns a lot Halliburton stock. I bet he is making some money now!
Comment by Flaco
Moore sold his, but DICK CHENEY still owns an ENOMOUS amount of Halliburton stock. Apparently you forgot about Cheney’s huge interest in Halliburton having mention Moore twice and Cheney not even once.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:29 pm#88 very good!!!
July 27th, 2007 at 1:29 pm**
Remember when BUSH allowed al Qaeda to fly two jet airliners into the World Trade Center and a third jet airliner into our PENTAGON?
Tragic. An example of pathetic leadership.
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July 27th, 2007 at 1:29 pmHey Mr. President ace is here!!!
Comment by Flaco — July 27, 2007 @ 1:27 pm
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I know. I have debunked his “bin Laden is not real” claim, and others have proved his “Hidden Concentration Camps in the USA” claim wrong.
He’s getting old.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:30 pmDick Cheny sold Halliburtoon to Mickey Moore.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:30 pm-”Baghdad Residents Receiving Just One Hour Of Electricity Per Day”
-poor sanitation and water
-travel restricted
-check points
-runaway inflation
-fuel prices up 10X
-massive unemployment
-individuals,groups,whole cities; being made an example of
- little or no healthcare
-empty schools - violence against academics
-random arrests
-inciting unrest between groups
etc. etc.
all part of the plan of the US occupier to subdue a country bring them to their knees and steal their resources.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:31 pm…and Clinton allowed the Rwadan genocide during his peace time Presidency.
Comment by Flaco — July 27, 2007 @ 1:22 pm
Trying to understand Flaco’s point here… so, the justification for Baghdad residents getting 1 hour of electricity per day, is that a million Tutsis were killed in Africa years ago? Is that it?
July 27th, 2007 at 1:31 pm“In fact, his adminstration was roundly criticized at the time for exactly that, especially by the left.”
I can only imagine how Flaco and his fellow RNC-bots would have reacted if Clinton had actually stepped in to stop the carnage there….”WAG THE DOG! ……WAG THE DOG!….WAG THE DOG!!!!”
They sure do have selective memories about how Republicans were acting in the 90s.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:31 pmThanks Mr. President
July 27th, 2007 at 1:31 pmYou are a great leader.
79 / Grand Moff Texan - and you get reading lessons
75 / read the link it will make your proud of your country
Snipers are shooting anybody they feel like, IF ANYBODY NEEDS EDUCATED ITS THE US
85% dont know of US schoolchildren dont know where Afghanistan is
Your the one that lives in a country that would rather bomb women and children than talk to Iran for a misdemeanor 28 years ago
trully Pathetic
July 27th, 2007 at 1:31 pmmr p/flaco —- try to not play with yourself here, OK? It is NOT cute any more! Even the howler monkeys have been getting treatment for that behavior. We can get you help as well.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:32 pmRep. from Kansas on how rightwingers don’t mind throwing away the troops’ lives.
Then again, why wouldn’t an aristocratic party feel free to waste the lives of poor people? Why wouldn’t a 90% white party feel free to throw away the lives of the “mud people”?
No wonder that for the right, “winning” in Iraq is all about “not losing our nerve” and “leaving = losing” even after the actual war was won. The troops are cheap to the Republicans.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:33 pm.
I have debunked his “bin Laden is not real†claim, and others have proved his “Hidden Concentration Camps in the USA†claim wrong.
Comment by Mr. President
Hahaha, sure.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:33 pm#88 very good!!!
Comment by Flaco — July 27, 2007 @ 1:29 pm
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Thanks!
You’re doing great today too!
July 27th, 2007 at 1:33 pm79 / Grand Moff Texan - and you get reading lessons
Your snark is as weak as your grammar.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:34 pm.
#98
July 27th, 2007 at 1:35 pmRemember Bosnia do you? good boy
Mr. P/Flaco, is this a race to the bottom? Seems pretty neck and neck to me..
July 27th, 2007 at 1:35 pmThey sure do have selective memories about how Republicans were acting in the 90s.
They’re good little soviets. They’ll believe one thing one week, and then another thing another week, simply because they were told to.
That’s how the “Friedman Unit” phenomenon works.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:35 pm.
Comparing the conflict in Vietnam (political), to the conflict in Iraq (cultural), is irresponsible.
Comment by Mr. President
Thank God the Americans are there!
Can you imagine the carnage and atrocities that would ensue if we left Iraq to the Crazed-Islamo-Murders?
Comment by Mr. President
You ignore the carnage and atrocties that are taking place while American troops are there. And you ignore the fact that these people are living through summer heat in Bagdad with no refrigeration for food. And then you have the gall to talk about other’s posts being irresponsible based on what? Your military expertise as learned studying philosophy at a community college.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:36 pmTrying to understand Flaco’s point here
The point is that he has to change the subject, from something that Bush actively did to something he thinks Clinton “let” happen, because the president he was dumb enough to support can’t get anything right.
And because the troll isn’t man enough to face that simple fact. Why else do you think bizarro-Clinton is now the model for the Bush administration? They have to change the subject from the real world, in which they’ve failed, to a fantasy world where Clinton … you know … did … stuff?
July 27th, 2007 at 1:38 pm.
Notice the massive slump in May to July when the Oil contracts should have been signed
Bush is also starving food and medical supplies too since May
Bush is a Nazi for sure
Comment by Tobey Tall — July 27, 2007 @ 1:06 pm
Good call. Of couse you’re out of the US so you get the real news about the oil contracts that Americans never hear about. Thanks for sharing.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:39 pmI honestly cannot imagine surviving in 130 degree heat. Or even 110 degrees for that matter! The anger the Iraqis must be feeling for the U.S. after what we’ve done to their country must be deep.
Comment by margaret
I spent the day hitchhiking in 120F heat once. I don’t recommend it. At least when my friend and I got home I could fall asleep in front of his swamp cooler. Without electricity, this is difficult.
A few years ago, I visited Phoenix and hung out with some locals, trying (in and around the cigar smoke) to figure out why they had actually moved there. After all the jokes about “it’s a dry heat”, they conceded that it would be impossible without a/c and that it is pretty common during extended hot spells for people to move into motels because their home a/c has crashed. The houses are simply uninhabitable without cooling. Part of this is just poor architectural design, but even a house with thick walls and plenty of insulation will eventually heat up in this kind of weather.
Clearly, humans can survive temperatures like this without a/c or the entire area would have been uninhabitated for thousands of years, but it cannot be pleasant, especially once having experienced modern comfort.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:39 pmall part of the plan of the US occupier to subdue a country bring them to their knees and steal their resources.
Comment by John — July 27, 2007 @ 1:31 pm
Yes but how do you steal a country’s resources if you’ve destroyed basic infrastructure so badly that you can neither extract nor transport it. Seems like a pretty boneheaded plan to me.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:40 pmThe founding fathers didn’t have electricty either.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:40 pm#110 our military expertise as learned studying philosophy at a community college.
Comment by shane
Uhh, shane, I think the Comm College assumption is stretching a loooong way. Just a thought.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:41 pmHahaha, sure.
Comment by Juan C — July 27, 2007 @ 1:33 pm
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http://thinkprogress.org/ 2007/ 07/ 22/ karl-rove-was-so-inept/ #comment-3954283
and
http://thinkprogress.org/ 2007/ 07/ 22/ karl-rove-was-so-inept/ #comment-3954354
I’m “Mr. Kalashnikov”
July 27th, 2007 at 1:41 pmWrong.
…
… the administration did not publicly use the word genocide until May 25 and even then diluted its impact by saying “acts of genocideâ€
Uh, I just referred to that same fact and even provided a source.
Simply by using the word “genocide,” the Clinton adminstration was invoking US law. Receiving no international support, they changed course. The left nailed Clinton for this long ago, including the Guardian.
So now the thing you’re citing is “wrong”?
If you say so.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:42 pm.
Clinton-Approved Iranian Arms Transfers Help Turn Bosnia into Militant Islamic Base
July 27th, 2007 at 1:42 pmYes but how do you steal a country’s resources if you’ve destroyed basic infrastructure so badly that you can neither extract nor transport it. Seems like a pretty boneheaded plan to me.
Comment by toasterhead
All speaks to that issue of “competence.” None of this was supposed to happen. The Army was to be greeted as liberators, Chalabi was to be placed on the throne, er, presidential chair, and the oil taps were supposed to be wide open and under US corporate control.
Oh, and Cheney’s pals were supposed to get even more filthy rich during the occupation. At least they’ve gotten one thing right.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:43 pmSeems like a pretty boneheaded plan to me.
Comment by toasterhead
So, you think that lack of electricity applies also to oil facilities? Not a chance.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:44 pmWell, ad hominem arguments and name-jackings…
we all know that means trolls win!
July 27th, 2007 at 1:44 pmThe Clinton Administration’s blunder in giving the green light to the Iranian arms pipeline was based, among other errors, on a gross misreading of the true nature and goals of the Izetbegovic regime in Sarajevo. It calls to mind the similar mistake of the Carter Administration, which in 1979 began lavish aid to the new Sandinista government in Nicaragua in the hopes that (if the United States were friendly enough) the nine comandantes would turn out to be democrats, not communists, despite abundant evidence to the contrary
July 27th, 2007 at 1:44 pm#114 Yes but how do you steal a country’s resources if you’ve destroyed basic infrastructure so badly that you can neither extract nor transport it. Seems like a pretty boneheaded plan to me.
Comment by toasterhead
But think of this concept; the Major oil companies DON’T want the second largest reserve country to come back on line. Why produce product and lower the price when you can keep the price up and NOT produce.
Think about it!! (And yes, I WAS in the oil business)
July 27th, 2007 at 1:44 pmAfter all of the BILLIONS of $$$$ wasted in Iraq. I have calculated that it would cost 3 Billion or so to give every Iraqi hosehold their own generator and even much less with larger generators for larger #’s of households.
They do not want the Iraqis to have any comforts so they will capitulate.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:45 pmAll Clinton could think about was sex, and more sex.
That distracted him on a daily basis thinking about how he could get laid.
Comment by Flaco
When you CAN get laid any time you feel like it, like Clinton could, you don’t have to think about it constantly. He only had to focus on it while the Republican congress was conducting their witch hunt.
I understand that somebody as hard up as you does think about sex all day, but those of us with normal sex lives understand the difference between Clinton and you.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:45 pmThey hate us because of our freedom.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:46 pmApparently, in the warped brains of the trolls one hour of electricity a day is okay.
Just imagine how difficult it would be for them to spew their crap with only one hour a day at their computers! They’d have to go pick on people in the street to get all of that pent-up misery out of their systems! TP is actually doing society a favor by keeping these black-hearted “people” off the streets!
July 27th, 2007 at 1:46 pmClinton-Approved Iranian Arms Transfers Help Turn Bosnia into Militant Islamic Base
The weapons turned them into … militants?
Strange, I recall militant Islam meeting jeers in the former Yugoslavia. They already had an Islamic culture there and weren’t going to be told they weren’t Islamic enough. Then again, I’m actually old enough to remember this stuff and was in touch with members of the Serbian opposition at the time.
The troll’s claim was made by Republicans in Congress, but few were dumb enough to fall for it.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:46 pm.
Comment by Grand Moff Texan — July 27, 2007 @ 1:42 pm
Good Lord!
Read carefully! Here I’ll embolden the pertinent information
http://www.guardian.co.uk/ rwanda/ story/ 0,14451,1183889,00.html
July 27th, 2007 at 1:47 pmComment by Mr. President
You are discredited. Namejacking the name of a dead soldier and supporting that kind of stuff, advocating ethnich cleansing (Persian) and supporting slave labor puts you in a position of complete credibility bankrupcy.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:48 pmCome on TPers same ole lies
You keep bringing up the Jews. I wonder why.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:48 pm.
Let’s just send them a Billion or so Dollars worth of Solar Panel Systems.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:49 pmIn order to resolve the conflict, a clear understanding of the contributing factors is absolutely imperative. The sectarian violence in Iraq is religious in nature and cannot be compared to the political situation in Vietnam.
Comment by Mr. President — July 27, 2007 @ 1:13 pm
Just too bad nobody took any of this into account when planning this fiasco…or did they. Can you say perpetual warfare.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:50 pm#114 Yes but how do you steal a country’s resources if you’ve destroyed basic infrastructure so badly that you can neither extract nor transport it. Seems like a pretty boneheaded plan to me.
Comment by toasterhead
Unless of course part of the plan involced US contracts to rebuild Iraqi infrastructure and power plants and roads.
Let me see, who all is doing most of that? hmmm Haliburton, Bechtel, Parsons, GE, KBR…. hmmmmmmm
What is the last thing that Bush said the the Iraqis on the Video statement delivered the night before the attack in March?
“Don’t destroy the oil fields on the way out” hmmmmmmm
July 27th, 2007 at 1:50 pmHere I’ll embolden the pertinent information
Embolden your brain, moron. You and I are citing the same phenomenon, only I have given more background and told you where to find it.
The idea that Clinton “let” them die is just ignorant. I’ve already explained why.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:50 pm.
If the goal is actually Genocide, then we’re winning.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:51 pm#134 Grand Moff
Because this troll has an innate fear of any one smarter, richer, happier and successful than it is. Which makes the jewish population just one of many that feeds the troll’s inferiority complex.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:51 pmNice drift, Flaco.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:51 pmHey, Flaccido, you are supposed to give credit when you plagiarize other people’s words. You couldn’t even bother to put quotation marks around this one.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/DCH109A.html
An interesting website you stole it from. Among other featured articles: Rumsfeld Helped Al Qaeda Establish a Stronghold in Northwestern Pakistan
And you probably skipped over the introduction to the article you stole from, which contained these words. In quotation marks and attributed to the article listed above:
July 27th, 2007 at 1:51 pmComment by Juan C — July 27, 2007 @ 1:48 pm
Don’t listen to me…
“Follow the LOGOS”
July 27th, 2007 at 1:52 pm- Heracleitus
Remember people; the quotes that were taken from KOS to be used to discredit the site by Bill-O …
were responses to trolls by frustrated posters!
They will do it again in every site they can to get the sites shut down.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:52 pmBush, and his regime, and his occupation, and his entire history of endeavors.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:53 pmAll a complete goddamn failure.
#133: Your as clever as a pig with a pocket watch.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:53 pmB b but Clinton….
At least he didn’t order the death of those million.
Dubya is personally responsible for the murder of a million Iraqi’s. 3 million refugee’s where we may never know how many of them die living in camps. And the forgotten war in Afghanistan, how many innocent people did we Shawk & AWW there?
Again… B B but Clinton, is that ALL you trolls have left?
http://www.goarmy.com you pussies! Show your support!
July 27th, 2007 at 1:53 pmI bad sorry about quotations marks I is home skooled
July 27th, 2007 at 1:53 pmComment by shane — July 27, 2007 @ 1:45 pm
Why is this dusty broken record only capable of repeating absolutely nothing?
Really, do you have an axe to grind with your myth-pushhing of community colleges because they rejected your application?
You have a sheer record of contradicting yourself. Why are you still here?
July 27th, 2007 at 1:54 pmOh I see Clinton could get a blow job and do foreign policy at the same time.
What a great thing to multitask like that.
Comment by Flaccido
Another troll who has never actually had a blow job and is therefore confused by how long it takes to get one. Usually it doesn’t take months, Flaccido, thus allowing people to accomplish other tasks. In your case, you could probably continue to walk without any serious interruption. At least, as long as you weren’t chewing gum.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:54 pmBosnia displace 2.2 million with Clinton so what?
July 27th, 2007 at 1:55 pm“Bringing Democracy to Iraq, one hour of power at a time.” You know, as a nation, we ARE a bunch of fucking idiots. Our pResident is a dangerous retard, as are the people who (s)elected him.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:55 pmI know. I have debunked his “bin Laden is not real†claim, and others have proved his “Hidden Concentration Camps in the USA†claim wrong.
He’s getting old.
Comment by Mr. President — July 27, 2007 @ 1:30 pm
I’ve never seen you debunk anybody, ever. Least of all ace. You and an army of 100 trolls on your perpetual circle jerk might believe your inane ramblings but no thinking person does.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:56 pmSo, you think that lack of electricity applies also to oil facilities? Not a chance.
Comment by Juan C — July 27, 2007 @ 1:44 pm
Good point. Then again, most electricity in Baghdad is informal these days. Whole parks in Baghdad have been stocked with privately-owned generators, so I’m sure wells are using them too. Can you run a generator on light sweet crude?
But think of this concept; the Major oil companies DON’T want the second largest reserve country to come back on line. Why produce product and lower the price when you can keep the price up and NOT produce.
Think about it!! (And yes, I WAS in the oil business)
Comment by upside00 — July 27, 2007 @ 1:44 pm
They don’t want it to come back on line with the GOI in charge of the oil. They would love, on the other hand, to have production-sharing agreement contracts with the Iraqi government, like they have in Indonesia and Kazakhstan and Nigeria. If they control the fields, they can trickle the oil out for as long as they like. This is exactly the deal that BP, ChevronTexaco, Eni, and Total have been lobbying the Oil Ministry for.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:56 pmDick Cheny sold Halliburtoon to Mickey Moore.
Comment by Flaco — July 27, 2007 @ 1:30 pm
Just keep making up lies, it really helps your credibility.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:56 pmComment by Grand Moff Texan — July 27, 2007 @ 1:50 pm
You didn’t tell me anything new. My source shows that Clinton lied, and that you are wrong.
The Rwandan genocide only lasted 100 days, Clinton said “acts of genocide” (2 months after he knew about the full-blown genocide) which does not carry the legal obligation of saying “genocide.”
You are wrong, sir.
But remember the words that Mr. Rogers told you,
you’re still special.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:57 pmI have hard time make sense. . . I be home sckuled.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:57 pmBosnia
“Clinton declined to pledge that this goal would be reached by the time he leaves office in three years and said — after twice setting target dates for bringing troops home and twice missing those targets — that he would no longer define a military mission by dates on a calendar.
“I understand your job is try to get a deadline nailed down, but we tried it . . . and it turned out we were wrong,” Clinton told reporters at the White House briefing room.”
July 27th, 2007 at 1:59 pmThe trolls are starting to make me think that maybe there really is such a thing as adult attention deficit disorder. They have such a diffucult time staying on topic!
And man oh man are they ever jealous of Bill Clinton! They must not get much if you know what I mean.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:59 pmthat he would no longer define a military mission by dates on a calendar.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:59 pmAnd man oh man are they ever jealous of Bill Clinton! They must not get much if you know what I mean.
Comment by margaret — July 27, 2007 @ 1:59 pm
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Bill Clinton is a horrible man.
A detestable human-being.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:00 pmMy source shows that Clinton lied, and that you are wrong.
I was wrong that the adminstration did in fact use the word “genocide”?
Whatever. You already proved yourself wrong on that score.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:01 pm.
#156 Tiasterhead:
Exactly,
And they could put Iraq back in OPEC, which would allow them to help set production quotas and in turn, prices.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:01 pmAnd man oh man are they ever jealous of Bill Clinton! They must not get any if you know what I mean.
Comment by margaret
Here. Fixed it for you.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:01 pmAt least, as long as you weren’t chewing gum.
Comment by gummitch
Hilarious post!!!
July 27th, 2007 at 2:01 pmI have hard time make sense. . . I be home sckuled.
Comment by Flaco — July 27, 2007 @ 1:57 pm
Does this explain why you never got around to explaining your thoughts relative to US healthcare on the other thread? It was mostly just I don’t like UHC especially in Canada. Never any examination of pros/cons of the US system. I thought you where just dodging but this clears it up. Home schoolings a bitch. It is so hard to do successfully.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:02 pmLast I checked, Clinton didn’t have anything to do with Baghdad only getting one hour of electricity a day. Did I miss something?
July 27th, 2007 at 2:02 pmBill Clinton is a horrible man.
A detestable human-being.
Still beats the crap out of the loser in the White House now.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:02 pm.
Bill Clinton is a horrible man. A detestable human-being.
Comment by Mr. President — July 27, 2007 @ 2:00 pm
Yet he’s the goal post against which you keep comparing Bush’s failures.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:03 pmLast I checked, Clinton didn’t have anything to do with Baghdad only getting one hour of electricity a day. Did I miss something?
Comment by margaret
He was so busy getting a blowjob that he forgot to pay the electric bill?
Something like that, anyway. It’s always difficult to follow the “thinking” of our trolls, especially PiPPy and Flaccido.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:04 pmUhh, shane, I think the Comm College assumption is stretching a loooong way. Just a thought.
Comment by upside00 — July 27, 2007 @ 1:41 pm
I believe he said as much when he started posting here. But if you feel he’s worthy of defending go right ahead. I know for certain he has no military expertise though.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:04 pm#169 Last I checked, Clinton didn’t have anything to do with Baghdad only getting one hour of electricity a day. Did I miss something?
Comment by margaret
Clinton is the only thing these trolls can think of: They/it all live in the past because the present is too painful. And sometimes mom forgets to leave their Ritilin on the top basement stair. That can cause the behavior like we are witnessing today.
ANd just to clarify, we are seeing only one shit-slinger here, just has that multiple personality thing going on.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:05 pmit makes perfectly good sense to me….You see, we don’t want those iraquis using OUR ( I mean BIGOIL’s) oil to generate electricity THERE….WE WANT IT for OUR USE HERE (after a hefty profit to the BushChaney Oil Cabal).
In fact, something should be done to eliminate that one hour a day BaDDag is stealing from AmerKUUh.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:08 pmComment by C**T Scan — July 27, 2007 @ 1:54 pm
Hey, C**T Scan is here to join the troll circle-jerk.
You kids must be happy it’s Friday. There’s probably a troll dance at the rec center you can hit, were you can lean against the wall and pretend you’re too cool to dance.
But it’s not like you haven’t got yourselves some beforehand, after servicing each other all day. Dive in and get yourself a handful of dead-soldier name-jacker Mr Pee. And it’s too bad Flaco is Flaccid. But he’s always got his mouth and fingers.
Poor, silly little C**T.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:08 pm#173 I believe he said as much when he started posting here. But if you feel he’s worthy of defending go right ahead. I know for certain he has no military expertise though.
Comment by shane
I wasn’t defending it/he/she at all, just felt a comm college education was a stretch, with the lack of basic communications skills being displayed.
And it goes without saying that there is no military experience; that is a prerequisite to be a card-carrying republic party member.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:08 pm#174. Yeah, but after Hillary is elected, I can claim it’s “Clinton’s fault” with more credibility.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:10 pmComment by mikey r — July 27, 2007 @ 2:08 pm
Again, why are you lefties experts at saying absolutely nothing?
Painful childhood, mikey r JuNiOr?
July 27th, 2007 at 2:11 pmCan anyone provide a list of what the President has promised these last 5 years to the Iraqi people and just how many of them have been accomplished.
All this side issue whiny cr@p is really old. Baghdad (not Rwanda, Kosovo or Kokomo for that matter) has only one hour of electricity a day a full 4 1/2 year since we kicked the cr@p out of a third world army. We are the strongest nation in the world and can’t provide electricity to the capital of the country we trounced. And the best you a$$hats have to say is bullsh!t about Clinton.
Bitch and moan here all you want but you have been left behind long ago and offer nothing more than to be a punching bag for those who care to knock your sorry a$$es around.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:11 pmIt’s interesting that the number of hours Baghdad had electricity per day took a precipitous drop soon after the November elections, when BushCo no longer had to be able to provide evidence of how wonderful things were there.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:11 pm#164
My source shows that Clinton lied, ???
What Clinton is full of integrity, honesty. How dare you make such false accusations about Bubba.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:12 pmWhy does mikey r, JuNiOr, suck Muslims as he goes?
July 27th, 2007 at 2:13 pm169
July 27th, 2007 at 2:13 pmI agree. Bush’s gross imcopetence is the problem here, but the troll’s do not have defense of this. They accept Bush is incompetent so they do the next best thing, which, of course, is to attack the guy who was President 10yrs ago.
I guess Republicans are always wanting to return to the “good ‘ol days”
Something like that, anyway. It’s always difficult to follow the “thinking†of our trolls, especially PiPPy and Flaccido.
Comment by gummitch — July 27, 2007 @ 2:04 pm
Silly me. I thought these were synonyms. Is there anyway to get “it” to respond to politely presented and sincere inquiries as to their ideas, the basis of these ideas, and the data which supports these ideas or is that pointless? I have attempted to engage the Socratic method as a means of drawing out the foundations of “their” opinions but it has yielded little success. No disrespect intended to either/one party.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:13 pmPainful childhood, mikey r JuNiOr?
Comment by C**T Scan — July 27, 2007 @ 2:11 pm
Here’s where C**T Scan takes several posts to insult me with the cutting wit and insight she’s known for, and then will probably claim how “easy ” it is to skip my posts.
Poor little C**T.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:13 pmHe tries to take as little time as possible when he gives one.
Comment by mikey r
Hey, hey, you are assuming too much. How do you know he doesnt enjoy it? You know, the slurpy type.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:14 pmSilly me. I thought these were synonyms. Is there anyway to get “it†to respond to politely presented and sincere inquiries as to their ideas, the basis of these ideas, and the data which supports these ideas or is that pointless? I have attempted to engage the Socratic method as a means of drawing out the foundations of “their†opinions but it has yielded little success. No disrespect intended to either/one party.
Comment by dbadass — July 27, 2007 @ 2:13 pm
Bad idea. It’s so much better to just ignore them. B