Escalation Architect Says Calling The Army Broken ‘Is One Of The Most Offensive Statements To Make’
Escalation Architect Says Calling The Army Broken ‘Is One Of The Most Offensive Statements To Make’
During testimony before the House Armed Services Committee today, the Center for American Progress’ military expert and co-author of Strategic Reset, Lawrence Korb, challenged Congress to address the growing crisis of troop morale and readiness in the U.S. forces as a result of the Bush administration’s failures in Iraq. Korb argued the Army is “broken” and in need of immediate repair:
I say to those people who want to keep up this surge indefinitely, if you have the courage of your convictions, then call for reinstatement of the draft. Because our volunteer Army was not designed, as Gen. Abizaid said, for the long war.
Escalation architect ret. Gen. Jack Keane and Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-CA) tag-teamed in an effort to downplay the diminished strength of the military. Keane said calling the Army broken “is one of the most offensive statements we can make.”
Hunter, ignorant of the views of numerous national security experts, said to Korb, “I don’t think that any of those people you’ve quoted — did Gen. McCaffrey ever say, ‘the Army is broken?’” Korb responded, “I will give you the exact quote, ‘The ground combat capability of the U.S. Army forces is shot.’” Watch it:
Keane and Hunter are not only callously ignorant of the reality of the situation in Iraq and the condition of U.S. forces fighting there, but are also ignorant of the judgments of other military experts:
- Gen. Colin Powell: The “active Army is about broken,” Powell said. Even beyond Iraq, the Army and Marines have to “grow in size, in my military judgment,” he said, adding that Congress must provide significant additional funding to sustain them. [LINK]
- Lt. Gen. James R. “Ron” Helmly: In a “memo to other military leaders [Helmly expressed] “deepening concern” about the continued readiness of his troops, who have been used heavily in Iraq and Afghanistan, and warning that his branch of 200,000 soldiers “is rapidly degenerating into a ‘broken’ force.”" [LINK]
- Former Defense Secretary William Perry: The Bush administration has “failed adequately to assess the size of force and equipment needed in post-invasion Iraq, creating “a real risk of ‘breaking the force’.” [LINK]
- Chief Of Staff Gen. Peter Schoomaker: “Over the last five years, the sustained strategic demand … is placing a strain on the Army’s all-volunteer force,” Schoomaker told the commission in a Capitol Hill hearing. “At his pace … we will break the active component” unless reserves can be called up more to help, Schoomaker said. [LINK]
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His face is broken
July 27th, 2007 at 2:12 pmI’ll sign up when I turn 17.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:13 pmI funny.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:14 pmYeah, well go “the army is broken” yourself!
July 27th, 2007 at 2:15 pm“Look at where all the money is being raised right now, for Hillary, Obama and Edwards. It’s the hedge funds, it’s Wall Street bankers, it’s the people who brought you what you have today — they’re lock, stock and barrel in their pocket.” - Mike Gravel
“The Military Industrial Complex not only controls our government lock, stock, and barrel, but they control our culture.” - Mike Gravel
“If you’re not going to answer the question, I’m going to answer that mother’s question. The answer to your question, ma’am, is: Yes, it is politics. The Democrats have failed the American people. When we took over in January, the American people didn’t expect us to give them a Democratic version of the war. They expected us to act quickly to end the war.” - Dennis Kucinich after Hillary Clinton avoided answering a question about Democrats putting Politics before conscience as a reason for not ending the iraq occupation.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:17 pmDemocratic leaders should reinstate the draft or defund the war.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:17 pmPolitical correctness is more important than the actual jobs that need to be done.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:18 pmIn related news:
B-2 Fitted for Huge Bunker Buster
http://www.strategypage.com/ htmw/ htairw/ articles/ 20070723.aspx
The U.S. Air Force is developing yet another capability for its 20 B-2 stealth bombers. A new bomb rack is being designed and built so the B-2 can drop the new, 15 ton Massive Ordnance Penetrator (MOP). Three years ago, MOP replaced the proposed nuclear bomb penetrator. MOP can be carried by a B-52, but a B-2 is more likely to get through an intact, modern, air defense system.
The air force is putting a lot of money into developing new bomb racks for the B-2. Recent additions are racks which allow a B-2 to carry eighty 500 pound smart bombs, or sixteen 2,000 pound smart bombs. Another new rack allows the B-2 to carry over a hundred of the 250 pound SDB (Small Diameter Bomb) which has a ground penetrating ability.
The B-2 is also being equipped with a phased array radar and targeting pod capabilities, to enable it to find targets, as well as bomb them.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:19 pmWhen we took over in January, the American people didn’t expect us to give them a Democratic version of the war. They expected us to act quickly to end the war.†- Dennis Kucinich after Hillary Clinton avoided answering a question about Democrats putting Politics before conscience as a reason for not ending the iraq occupation.
Comment by Larry from C — July 27, 2007 @ 2:17 pm
That is worth repeating gain and again and again.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:20 pm8: Bomb, bomb, bomb
July 27th, 2007 at 2:21 pmbomb, bomb Iran . . .
#9, Troll…You just did.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:21 pmKeane and Hunter ~ please stand up and at least attempt to grab your ass with both hands, for X sake.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:21 pmHe took a talking point lesson from Edleman.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:22 pmcall for reinstatement of the draft.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:23 pmIt Will Never again Work.
call for reinstatement of the draft. ?
July 27th, 2007 at 2:24 pmit,ll never work!
Larry from C :
thank you for that Kucinich quote. It sure does say it all.
If anyone thinks that The Chimp in Chief gives a rats ass about the truth should have their head examined.
They are just pawns in the Bush Crime Family Killing Machine.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:24 pmcall for reinstatement of the draft. ?
July 27th, 2007 at 2:24 pmit,ll never work!AGAIN!
i think “we need you guys to go back to iraq even though you haven’t been home for a full 12 months, and by the way, you have to stay in iraq for 15 months now” is a much more offensive statment. “i’m going to veto a bill that would give you guys a raise” comes in a close 2nd.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:24 pmcall for reinstatement of the draft. ?
July 27th, 2007 at 2:25 pmit,ll never work!AGAIN!
what a Freudian slip :
If anyone thinks that The Chimp in Chief gives a rats ass about the truth should have their head examined.
I meant to say ‘troops’ not truth.
Still works.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:26 pmGod help this country if we really need our military within the next three to five years to repel a REAL threat.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:28 pmThanks chymp, you fu(kUp!
Those who can, do.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:31 pmThose who can’t, retire from the military and form consulting firms.
#16 Kay…Remember, the Corporate Media told you Kucinich is not mainstream. Translation = The corporate masters who buy commericals on this network are deathly afraid of Kucinich’s message.
(a) bring the troops home
(b) single payer not-for-profit health care
(c) cut the military waste and reverse Bush’s tax cut for billionaires
(d) end war as an instrument of policy
(e) pursue peaceful means to solve societal problems
OH…how RADICAL! Gee, hardly anyone would want to see any of these issues accomplished!!
July 27th, 2007 at 2:34 pmWell, I really don’t understand this. My RNC group leader sends me an e-mail every week and he’s always telling me that good things are happening - schools are being painted and the troops are really enjoying their stay in Iraq. I send the RNC a $20.00 donation every week to their “Support the Troops” Fund. I also belong to the FreeRepublic prayer group and pray for our soldiers and for wisdom and strength for our President, George W. Bush. A family friend suggested I look into this site. I am very disturbed with what I am reading and seeing. Could I have been wrong all these years?
July 27th, 2007 at 2:34 pmSpin spin spin spin spin…ooooh I’m getting dizzy. Where did they dig up that pathetic old general? Actually nevermind, this is what I found about the general:
In January 2007, Keane and scholar Frederick W. Kagan released a policy paper, entitled “Choosing Victory: A Plan for Success in Iraq”,[2] through the American Enterprise Institute that called for bringing security by putting around 30,000 additional American troops there for a period of at least 18 months
Ahhhhh, the old AEI that bastion of reasoned thought.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:35 pmEscalation Architect Says Calling The Army Broken ‘Is One Of The Most Offensive Statements To Make’
If merely pointing out the obvious is so “offensive”, how offensive are the actions of the Chimpy junta that have led us to this sorry state of affairs?
July 27th, 2007 at 2:35 pm#24: Martha T. are you for real or are you a troll with a stealthy new approach?
July 27th, 2007 at 2:37 pmDimwit you are dead wrong. These vets have been treated abysmally–they are not getting the care they need when they come back, suicides are way up, divorce is rampant, and many are coming back to find their jobs no longer exist.
Keep cheering Chimpy and Drunken Hunter on–because you are with the crowd that are about 23% of the population. The rest of the country KNOW what frauds this administration is.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:38 pmLarry from C :
The Corporate Media Whores (CNN, FOX, NBC, ABC, CBS etc) right from the get-go set up a ‘top tier’ candidates (Hitlary, Obama, Edwards)
July 27th, 2007 at 2:39 pmand then ’second tier’ candidates which included Kucinich. So “We the Sheeple” cannot make up our own fu**ing mind! This is the crap that bothers me.
The Army isn’t as broke as this Country and it’s current administration.
BubbleBush has:
Broken our fiscal stability
Broken our credibility to the rest of the world.
Broken all of it’s promises.
Broken all ethical or moral principles.
Broken trust in our Judiciary.
Broken ‘compassionate conservative’ rhetoric.
Broken the trust Americans have in each other.
Broken 30,000 American parents’ hearts.
Thanks, Bubble Boys. Thanks a lot.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:39 pm#24 Martha T. Maam
July 27th, 2007 at 2:39 pmthe answer to your question?
YES!
You Could have been wrong all these years.
Shall I Explain?
Better yet. let me give you some bible passages to read.
AP
Economy Growth Is Best in a Year
Friday July 27, 11:50 am ET
By Jeannine Aversa, AP Economics Writer
Economy Springs Out of Rut and Grows at 3.4 Percent Pace, Best Showing in More Than a Year
WASHINGTON (AP) — The economy snapped out of a lethargic spell and grew at a 3.4 percent pace in the second quarter, the strongest showing in more than a year. A revival in business spending was a main force behind the energized performance.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:39 pmMartha T. are you for real or are you a troll with a stealthy new approach?
Comment by Larry from C — July 27, 2007 @ 2:37 pm
Martha T. is a synonym for satire.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:39 pmCalling the Army broken is the MOST offensive statement?
How about “Mission Accomplished?”
Or “Freedom is on the March?”
Or “We’re fighting them there, so we don’t have to fight them here?”
Anyone else…?
July 27th, 2007 at 2:40 pmFlaco,
“I’ll sign up when I turn 17.”
Come one man, it’s already broken. It surely doesn’t need your help to make it worse!
July 27th, 2007 at 2:42 pmI’d like to see Chimpy and Darth spend their summer in Iraq :
no electricity etc.
God help us all…
July 27th, 2007 at 2:42 pmThis just in,
President Bush has agreed to let the polyps removed from his ass to be used for stem cell research.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:44 pmHe demanded he autograph them before R&D receives them.
1 ¶ Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
July 27th, 2007 at 2:44 pm2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
http://www.audio-bible.com/bible/genesis_3.html
22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
July 27th, 2007 at 2:46 pm23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
http://www.audio-bible.com/bible/luke_16.html
We are rapidly getting to the point where we are going to have to end our fighting and bring our troops home to recuperate, or reinstate the draft. The BA seems to think that if we just whip the horse enough, we can get it to run farther.
I challenge the next administration — Democrat or Republican — to reinstate the draft if they want to go invade other countries. It sounds like political suicide, but if the cause is truly righteous, what American would object?
July 27th, 2007 at 2:46 pmhttp://www.audio-bible.com/bible/luke_6.html
July 27th, 2007 at 2:47 pmhttp://www.audio-bible.com/bible/genesis_4.html
Comment by The Captain — July 27, 2007 @ 2:39 pm
I somehow suspect The Captain was one of those trolls waving the “new record high” of the stock market last week as evidence of how “strong” the Bush economy is. Yeah, have to come up with a new one this week, huh?
By the way, The Captain didn’t feel it necessary to paste this piece of the article:
Stronger spending by businesses and government powered the rebound in the April-to-June quarter. Individuals, however, tightened their belts as they coped with high gasoline prices and the ill effects of the housing slump. The sour housing market continued to weigh on national economic activity in the spring but not nearly as much as it had in previous quarters.
Interesting. Government spending played a big part in the stronger growth. I would think a conservative would decry more government spending? The rest of the paragraph doesn’t really sound all that rosy, does it?
July 27th, 2007 at 2:48 pmhttp://www.audio-bible.com/bible/revelation_16.html
July 27th, 2007 at 2:48 pmhttp://www.audio-bible.com/bible/revelation_18.html
The democrats should demonstrate the leadership they complain the administration does not demonstrate and defund the war. Obama is correct Hillary (and most of the dems) are simply “Cheney lite”.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:49 pmCan we cut the Bible Crap???
July 27th, 2007 at 2:50 pmComment by GoTFreeDUMB
And your point is?????
Stay on topic, OK? We aren’t here for a bible study session.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:50 pmThe Republicans should demonstrate the leadership they do not demonstrate and defund the war.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:51 pmThe Republicans should demonstrate the leadership they do not demonstrate and END the (war?).
July 27th, 2007 at 2:52 pmComment by missmolly — July 27, 2007 @ 2:46 pm
Why wait? Get the dems to vote on it now. Bush will veto it but it will be a show of support for the troops and make the dems appear strong on defense.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:52 pmPaul and Kucinich Team Up to End War
Thursday, July 26, 2007 - FreeMarketNews.com
Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) and Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio), both presidential candidates, are co-sponsoring a bill that would end President Bush’s authority in Iraq within the next six months, according to Raw Story.
“I think if you approach this from a constitutional viewpoint, we can join hands with the left as well as the right and come up with a solution and get our troops home,” Paul said on MSNBC on Tuesday. Besides Kucinich, 18 other Democrats have signed on.
**Kucinich and Paul have more in common than just a deisre to end the occupation. They are truthtellers and uncorruptable. And that means more than policy disagreement.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:53 pmTroll —
July 27th, 2007 at 2:53 pmI Thought you said this isn,t war. make up your mind.
Government spending played a big part in the stronger growth. I would think a conservative would decry more government spending? The rest of the paragraph doesn’t really sound all that rosy, does it?
Comment by mikey r — July 27, 2007 @ 2:48 pm
Nice catch, mikey.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:53 pmTroll — I Thought you Republicans said this isn,t War? Make up your Flip Flopping Minds!
July 27th, 2007 at 2:54 pmComment by GoTFreeDUMB? — July 27, 2007 @ 2:53 pm
Where did I say that?
July 27th, 2007 at 2:55 pm“The Republicans should demonstrate the leadership they do not
demonstrate”
Huh?
Is this some Zen-type saying?
The plants that do not grow should grow. The dog should bark even though he is not barking. The monkey should ride the tricycle that he is not riding.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:55 pmWASHINGTON - Vice President Dick Cheney will undergo a minor surgical procedure Saturday to replace the battery in the special pacemaker he has in his chest, a spokeswoman said.
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July 27th, 2007 at 2:55 pmthanks Mr VP for serving us. You will do fine!
I bet this “feud” between Hitlary and Obama is fake. They are both the same. They belong the Democratic wing of the War Party.
Hitlary Clinton is a Neo-CON in a pantsuit with make-up.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:57 pmObama is the greatest disappointment of the whole bunch.
WASHINGTON - Vice President Dick Cheney will undergo a minor surgical procedure Saturday to replace the battery in the special pacemaker he has in his chest, a spokeswoman said.
——————————
God Bless You, Vice President Cheney!
I’m sure you will be fine.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:58 pmThe monkey should ride the tricycle that he is not riding.
Comment by bobcat_grad — July 27, 2007 @ 2:55 pm
Not according to Laura. It’s too dangerous.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:58 pm“Troll — I Thought you Republicans said this isn,t War? Make up your Flip Flopping Minds!
Comment by GoTFreeDUMB? — July 27, 2007″
go over to iraq, come back, and let us know what you think.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:59 pmyour opinion matters!
WASHINGTON - Vice President Dick Cheney will undergo a minor surgical procedure Saturday to replace the battery in the special pacemaker he has in his chest, a spokeswoman said
Maybe the bunny will finally stop drumming…
July 27th, 2007 at 3:00 pmOR, they become “president†with the help of Daddy and his “supreme court†buddies
and their PNAC war-criminals buddies.
Funny how FEW of the PNAC member have EVER been to war THEMSELVES.
COWARDS who PROFIT from the DEATHS of American soldiers…
When people like Pat Tillman TELL THE TRUTH and say “fvcking ILLEGAL WARâ€, they are SHOT in the head by their “fellow soldiersâ€.
Chickenhawk (5-deferment) Cheney is a PRIME example of such an EVIL “human”.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:00 pmcha cha cha — Who you talking to.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:01 pmI WAS There!.
WAS YOU?
WASHINGTON - Vice President Dick Cheney will undergo a minor surgical procedure Saturday to replace the battery in the special pacemaker he has in his chest, a spokeswoman said.
Also, Alberto Gonzalez will be hidden in the empty cavity.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:01 pm#61 Maybe the bunny will finally stop drumming…
Comment by Kay
If God granted this earth ONE miracle… that would be it!!!
July 27th, 2007 at 3:01 pmbobcat_grad — J
July 27th, 2007 at 3:02 pmWhat I said. Did it go over your head?
Comment by Kay — July 27, 2007 @ 3:00 pm
Kay’s going to be on Bill O’Reilly!
July 27th, 2007 at 3:02 pmmust i explain everything i say?
July 27th, 2007 at 3:03 pm“cha cha cha — Who you talking to.
I WAS There!.
WAS YOU?
Comment by GoTFreeDUMB? — July 27, 2007″
so you can probably answer your own question then. is there war in iraq or not?
July 27th, 2007 at 3:03 pm#66 Kay’s going to be on Bill O’Reilly!
Comment by Egreggious
EWWWWW! What a disgusting thought that is!! Do you not like Kay??? Do you want her sexually harassed by the best in the business, ol’ billo?
July 27th, 2007 at 3:04 pm#68 sSo you can probably answer your own question then. is there war in iraq or not?
Comment by cha cha cha
I’ll help you out there. Iraq is in the middle of a sectarian civil war and the US is in the middle of an illegal occupation.
Hope that cleared things up for you.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:06 pmGeneral (ret) Jack Keane defended long deployments before reminding the committee he had to leave by 11:30.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:07 pmComment by Kay — July 27, 2007 @ 2:57 pm
She is a Neo-con as is her husband. Switching between the Dems and the Neo-cons is like nautical tacking, the illusion is a different direction when in actuality the destination is the same the enslavement of the citizens by corporation and government.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:07 pmYEs, !
July 27th, 2007 at 3:07 pmThe Republicans Started IT!
Then Denounced it As WAR!
With their Mission Accomplished Statement!
Ask a Repug if we are at war and you get 20 different answers.
Go to Iraq and see for yourself and you will know we are still at war.
Why do you think mccain and all still wear body protection. flakvest etc.
Soldiers are still battlefield dressed and armed to the tee.
Do you not like Kay???
Comment by upside00 — July 27, 2007 @ 3:04 pm
I love Kay! If it makes you feel better, I didn’t mean Kay, per se, just her post, as an example of Bill’s latest witch hunt.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:09 pmseems like we’re all in agreement on the whole war thing.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:10 pmThank you, mikey r #42 for rebutting The Captain. If increasing the Federal spending helps the GNP, then this nation is in for a big hurt, ’cause the Congress hasn’t increased our taxes to cover it. Just more borrowing to increase our debt!! This is so like the Republicans, spending us to the disaster–then blaming the other guy!! Our military will pay a price far greater than gold for the greed of these Republicans.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:11 pm#57…Kay, I don’t have the quotes from Hillary and Barack in front of me but I heard them on the radio today.
Barack called Hillary Republican-Lite? Then Hillary responded that she wouldn’t meet with Hugo Chavez?
Has anybody asked Hillary why she dislikes Hugo Chavez? Wasn’t it a Republican backed coup attempt on Hugo Chavez that failed. Then Chavez nationalized his oil and withdrew billions of his dollars from our treasury. Now he spends his country’s oil wealth on his poor.
So I can see why the Republicans don’t like Hugo Chavez. They wanted to replace him with a neo-con puppet President who’d make sure the petro-dollars flowed through Texas.
So I ask the question again…Why does Hillary dislike Hugo Chavez? Sounds like Barack’s comment about Hillary being Republican-lite was right on the mark. Because a Democrat would have very little reason to hate Hugo Chavez. Unless Hillary stood to benefit from this? But then that would make Hillary undeniably a Republican. Hope this isn’t too complicated.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:13 pmWe simply have to get some leaders in place who firmly and unwaveringly support the view that telling the truth is never “offensive.” Truth always furthers progress; deceit and denial always obstruct progress. Maybe we also need to see this guy Korb get a prominent cabinet position with whoever winds up being the Dem nominee next year. It wouldn’t be bad to start hearing how these candidates are thinking in terms of organizing their team. I’d much rather be voting for a team rather than a single individual. We’ve seen how the other way works: you vote for a man supported by an unknown cadre of political cronies, and you get disaster.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:14 pmcha cha cha sez:
Glad you agree with upside00’s statement.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:14 pmNot ignorant, just doing their jobs. Wake up, lie to your wife and kids, get to work, lie, obfuscate, ignore and deny. Lunch. Go to Congress. Obfuscate, lie, puff chest in fake outrage, lie some more, think about dinner plans. Return to office. Nap. Take car to restaurant. Gorge. Get home. Lie to wife and kids some more. Go to bed. Have no trouble sleeping. It’s all going fine.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:14 pm#75 Eg,
I know what you meant, was just being sarcastic. So easy to do with anything billo is involved in. One of the poster children for the assclown wacko righties to jerk off to, in the basement. (along with Mann Coultergeist, the rusher, hanniteehee, Herr beck and a few others.)
July 27th, 2007 at 3:16 pm“Glad you agree with upside00’s statement.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 27, 2007″
was never in disagreement, but 2 other commenters seemed to be debating whether there was a war. probably should’ve just stayed out of it.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:19 pmThese numbnuts are quick to put our military men and women asses on the line. I can’t say it enough. Anyone if favor of the escalation should enlist no matter age.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:32 pm#84
Don’t hold your breath. It is a prerequisite of the republic party to NOT serve. The goal is to kill OPK (other people’s kids) and rake the war profits off the top. They teach that at GOP University.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:36 pmMr. President
July 27th, 2007 at 3:37 pmIt looks like it distills down to either reinstating the draft or defunding the war - a pretty obvious choice there. Or….if Congress wants to have a protracted war and long-term presence, then let them put their money where their mouths are by enlisting themselves, or a member of their immediate family to serve. It’s a pretty simple case for “defunding this war” and would occur in a heartbeat if they have to serve themselves or sacrifice their first-born child.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:45 pmBeginning with all Republicans…..your vote consitutes your agreement to serve….let’s get on with the enlistment process, shall we?
July 27th, 2007 at 3:45 pmOne of the most offensive statements “EVER” made was:
“Well sometimes you go to was with the Army you have”
I am 38, a 21 year active Army Soldier and I can’t remember a worst statement. But where was GEN. Keane when this statement was made? Why he was sitting on some Board of Directors making money while WE went to war with what we had.
Un-F’in-believable
RIP
SGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
Gave his life so that Generals could forget what war and Soldier’s welfare was really about.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:46 pmSorry
go to WAR with the Army you have.
RIP
July 27th, 2007 at 3:46 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
#61: Okay, now that’s funny. LMAO.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:49 pmComment by Tired Of Fighting
Of course, the next statement from the trols will be why do you (and us) hate the troops. Never seen a more demented bunch of wack jobs in my life. Maybe it is too many hours behind the keyboard of Grand Theft Auto and no breastfeeding when younger (or maybe too much of it now, at 36).
July 27th, 2007 at 3:49 pm#81: Whew!!You wore me out with the description of that day!
July 27th, 2007 at 3:50 pmTired of Fighting.
My personal hero.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:51 pmIs anyone surprised by this? it is the goal of the Neocons, as stated by Grover Norquist, to “strangle the government in a bathtub”. You can’t do this with a strong military. All ges according to plan.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:54 pm#92
I’m prepared for that, but NONE of them would ever meet me on the battlefield and say anything. Nor could any of them name one of us so-called “troops”. We are Soldiers not props, not idiots, and we’re damn sure not inhuman to the point where this BS doesn’t effect us. So to all who want to start that, I’ll quote another offensive statement, “Bring it On”
RIP
July 27th, 2007 at 3:54 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
Whats going on Egreggious!!!
RIP
July 27th, 2007 at 3:55 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
From a psychological perspective, the Bush/Cheney administration and its neocon allies succeeded in promoting the misguided and destructive war in Iraq by targeting our core concerns about vulnerability, injustice, distrust, superiority, and helplessness. Looking ahead, they will likely try to sell us a continuing occupation of Iraq—or an attack on Iran—in much the same way. I examine these warmongering appeals and how to counter them in a 10-minute YouTube video entitled “Resisting the Drums of War.” It’s available for viewing HERE.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:56 pmRepublican presidential candidate George W. Bush said in his nomination acceptance speech that “if called on by the commander-in-chief today, two entire divisions of the Army would have to report …, ‘Not ready for duty, sir.’”
July 27th, 2007 at 4:03 pm# 98, Great Job on the Video. Anyway to Diseminate this worldwide?
July 27th, 2007 at 4:08 pmComment by Tired Of Fighting
I hear you! I am a wounded vet of the Vietnam “situation” and know what it feels like to have people criticize how I felt being an anti-war protester when I returned and threatened with arrest for my beliefs. I will never understood the mentality of throwing stones from a distance. Guess it comes with the Chickenhawk suit!!
Thanks for your service!
July 27th, 2007 at 4:08 pmTO ALL OF YOU TROLLS OUT THERE“Resisting the Drums of War.†IS NOT “RESISTING ARREST”!
July 27th, 2007 at 4:12 pmTHOUGHT I WOULD CLEAR THAT UP FOR YOU!
UNLESS OF COURSE, YOU WAS BEING ARRESTED BY THE MOFIA.
Of course, the next statement from the trols will be why do you (and us) hate the troops.
Comment by upside00
Respectfully, who cares about what they have to say? They have been wrong about everything since they were born. Let them play here posting incredibly stupid comments to get some attention.
Their credibility is in the bottom, cuz it takes courage to admit when you are wrong and all of them are but cowards.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:14 pmDO NOT TRUST EVEN YOUR OWN NEIGHBORS ! WHO Could blindly stir you into a war frenzy.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:15 pmsorry. should have added nothing. Nothing but cowards.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:15 pmThe army should be upset at this statement. But, should they be upset because he said it out loud, or because it is true?
July 27th, 2007 at 4:20 pmWhy wait? Get the dems to vote on it now. Bush will veto it but it will be a show of support for the troops and make the dems appear strong on defense.
Comment by Troll — July 27, 2007 @ 2:52 pm
Great idea! The very moment that the Dems decide to invade another country, I’ll be first in line to pressure my Congressmen (a Dem) to introduce the necessary legislation.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:21 pmEVEN YOUR OWN MINISTERS,PREACHERS,WHATEVERYOUCALLEMS CAN blindly stir you into a war frenzy.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:23 pmNotice how Hunter retermed it as it as if Korb was saying (quote) “our soldiers are broken. Kean and Hunter try to attack Korb for saying something he never said, and (naturally) completely ignore the point he is making.
We saw this before when Giulliani attacked Ron Paul for supposedly “blaming America for the attacks of 9/11″.
Maybe the problem is Conservativism is a simple hearing disorder? The only difference between a Conservative and a Liberal is a “MiracleEar“???
July 27th, 2007 at 7:56 pmI’m so sick and tired of these idiots like Ducan Hunter sitting on their fat butts and making stupid statements. Mr. Hunter is a moron who knows absolutely nothing about hard combat or hard work. He’s never “Humped” with a pack on his back and rifle in his hand during combat operations. What the fools doesn’t understand is that our soldier may be brave, but they are not robots. They get sick, hurt, see their friends die and have more stress than ordinary people can understand. Just take a minute and think about being blown up, shot at, while you are tired, sweating in over 100 degree heat. This is what our soldiers go through day in and day out. I’ve been through it during combat operations and I can personally tell you it’s no fun. The heat makes it worst because you can’t take time to see realy sweat without worrying about get wasted.
If Hunter and some of the other chicken hawks spent on day in combat with these guys, they cry like a little w(b)itch. When I think back about my experience it still scares me. I still have nightmares about combat and it seems like its real.
July 27th, 2007 at 11:19 pmHunter is the guy who is pushing the building of a 700 mile fence to defend our 2100 mile border with Mexico. He is on the ball.
July 28th, 2007 at 12:01 amComment by The Unknown Democrat — July 27, 2007 @ 11:19 pm
Thank you for your service and for your post.
July 28th, 2007 at 12:01 amIn the 1970s, the Portuguese fascist dictatorship was breaking their own military with a long drawn out and deeply unpopular war. They refused to listen to the generals, and the army stepped in and restored democracy, which has been thriving ever since in Portugal. The parallels between Bush and the Portuguese dictatorship are eerie. No one in their right mind wants a coup, but Bush might want to watch his back.
July 28th, 2007 at 4:19 pmSee “Another History Lesson,” in McSweeney’s:
http://www.mcsweeneys.net/ links/ philipgraham/ 25dispatch13.html