Iraqi government ‘in the midst of the worst crisis.’
By on Jul 27th, 2007 at 3:00 pm
Iraqi government ‘in the midst of the worst crisis.’
“Iraq is in the throes of its worst political crisis since the fall of Saddam Hussein with the new democratic system, based on national consensus among its ethnic and sectarian groups, appearing dangerously close to collapsing, say several politicians and analysts.”
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Iraqi government ‘in the midst of the worst crisis.’
Yes, it’s called the Occupation of Imperial America.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:03 pmIts called war.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:03 pmCome on Trolls say it.
“Good thing we’re there or who knows how bad it would be.”
July 27th, 2007 at 3:03 pmHeckuva job, neocons!
July 27th, 2007 at 3:04 pm“Iraq is in the throes of its worst political crisis since the fall of Saddam Hussein with the new democratic system, based on national consensus among its ethnic and sectarian groups, appearing dangerously close to collapsing, say several politicians and analysts.â€
In other words, all is going to plan.
Remember, the last thing this administration wants is an competent, effective, and independent Iraqi government, all their pontificating notwithstanding. What they want is a failed state that will justify their perpetual occupation.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:05 pmFlaco sez:
For it to be a “war”, you generally need at least two armies.
Also, it helps if Congress declares war.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:05 pmAnyway, the war is over. Bush said so. Mission accomplished.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:07 pmThank God the USA is there preventing full blown genocide.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:07 pmYeah they’re so much better off with our invasion. And I love throwing billions of tax dollars away on occupations. It’s a win-win!
July 27th, 2007 at 3:09 pmTime to reboot CPA v.2.0…..just in time for the 2008 elections? Gotta get that laundered cash from somewhere.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:09 pmThings are bad, but the U.S. is preventing the worst. Iraqis should do more to settle down and be appreciative of our help.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:09 pmThank God the USA is there preventing full blown genocide.
Comment by Mr. President — July 27, 2007 @ 3:07 pm
Then why aren’t we also in Darfur? Oh, that’s right — we only sacrifice our troops to prevent genocides that WE set in motion. You troop-hating, name-jacking troll.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:10 pm#7 Another prediction pulled from beneath Mr. P’s buttcheeks.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:11 pmWMD – Greated with Flowers – Mission Acomplished – War will pay for itself with oil revenues, ad infintim . . .
Things are bad, but the U.S. is preventing the worst. – CT Scan
July 27th, 2007 at 3:11 pm———————————
Indeed. It makes me proud to be an American!
“Several politicians and analysts?” Geeze, name names.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:11 pmIf I were them I would be sooo appreciative of all our “help”. Why can’t they be grateful for mass mayhem, economic collapse and millions left as refugees?
Ingrates!
July 27th, 2007 at 3:11 pmThankfully, the Iraqis will be taking a month long vacation in August.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:12 pmCrawford Ranch, here we come!
Iraqis should do more to settle down and be appreciative of our help.
Comment by CT Scan — July 27, 2007 @ 3:09 pm
July 27th, 2007 at 3:12 pm—————————————
I totally agree, the Iraqis need to get their shit together.
11: Since they don’t appreciate all we’ve done, maybe we should just leave.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:12 pmThen why aren’t we also in Darfur? – mikey
July 27th, 2007 at 3:12 pm———————-
The UN is handling that situation.
Iraqis should do more to settle down and be appreciative of our help.
Comment by C**T Scan — July 27, 2007 @ 3:09 pm
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Iraqis should be appreciative of our unleashing Shia to attack Sunni, and drawing thousands of foreign fighters to the country and inspiring the formation of new terrorist groups in their midst! Not to mention destroying their infrastructure, failing to rebuild their electrical service or oil production or even protecting their sacred sites.
What ingrates!
Keep ‘em coming, little C**T! Hilarious!
July 27th, 2007 at 3:13 pm#14s: You neoconartists can’t predict sh@t.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:14 pmI think the government should use this disaster to our advantage.
Be nice to us or we’ll bring democracy to your country.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:14 pmComment by Mr. President — July 27, 2007 @ 3:09 pm
Clinton had not a clue of how of how to be a manly, efficient commander-in-chief during a time of war.
I think I caught him on “Dateline” the other night, but Chris Hansen did a first and let him quietly out the back door. No, you won’t catch it on the news, as you can imagine. Coverage of “God” isn’t something the news likes to take up.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:14 pmIts called war. Comment by Flaco
Ethnic Sectarian is infighting between the Sunni, Shia Kurdish and other factions and does not help the RIGHT WING PNAC/AEI Plan to free the Oppressed Iraqis that suffered under Saddam, nor does it help bring about Democracy in the middle east, or help to stabilize Iraq and provide the people the security they need to become a functioning Democracy.
I know war, to many of our younger chickenhawk brigade of keyboardists, is some sudo-reality game consisting of flicking your Wii and blowing up digitally produced images.
GTHU
July 27th, 2007 at 3:14 pmIt’s true, the Iraqis don’t appreciate all that we’ve done for them
We give, and give, and give… and what thanks do we get?
I think we should all decide to not stay where we’re not appreciated.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:15 pmWell, we could always overthrow this government too and start over. Not like it could go any worse then the first time around.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:15 pmComment by mikey r — July 27, 2007 @ 3:13 pm
That’s right, blame the U.S. As a typical lefty, do you think your statements are covering any new ground here. I mean, you are a predictable, irrational lefty.
Sit and spin, mykee.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:16 pmOkay, CT. Here is the Lefty talking point:
And this is what we say:
When the Hutu majority told the Belgians and the UN to leave Rwanda in the early 1990s, they proceded to exterminate 800,000 innocent Tutsis. President Bush is not going to be as heartless and foolish as Bill Clinton. The US will secure peace, and will not abandon the Iraqi people.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:16 pmIs this the “we’re making progress” part? Or is it the “we’ve turned the corner” part? Or is this just the “we’re turning this whole place to sh!t just as fast as we can” part?
July 27th, 2007 at 3:17 pmfailing to rebuild their electrical service
Comment by mikey r
Not true! We’re something like 1/24 of the way there…we’re making progress.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:17 pmLefties, always good to see you putting your defeatocrat skills to work!
July 27th, 2007 at 3:18 pmThank God the USA is there preventing full blown genocide.
Comment by Mr. President — July 27, 2007 @ 3:07 pm
Those 655,000 dead Iraqis and their families couldn’t be happier.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/10/11/iraq.deaths/
How many have to die in a “religious war” as you call it before it is a full blown genocide.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:18 pmThis can’t be on the official plan that nobody seems to know or provide.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:18 pm#8
…and Clinton was a “peace time” President.
He save us a few trillion by not invading Rwanda.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:18 pm29: No, this is the “last throes” of the insurgency!
July 27th, 2007 at 3:19 pmFor a moment there I thought they were talking about OUR government.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:19 pmYou know, the imperial chympocracy.
31: Righties, always good to see you putting your headupmyass skills to work!
July 27th, 2007 at 3:20 pmIngrates! Where are our flowers?
July 27th, 2007 at 3:20 pmCT scan sez:
Oh, yes…I’ll bet that they’re especially appreciative of the 75 tons of depleted uranium that we left strewn across the country as a highly toxic dust that will insure terrible cancer rates and horrific birth defects among the citizens of the region for the foreseeable future.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:20 pmthink I caught him on “Dateline†the other night, but Chris Hansen did a first and let him quietly out the back door. No, you won’t catch it on the news, as you can imagine. Coverage of “God†isn’t something the news likes to take up.
Comment by CT Scan
Nothing ever changes with these trolls. Always wearing the same 10 year old diaper and slinging the same lame comments ad nauseum. I hear George talks to God. Are you saying he now talks to Bill for guidance? Heh.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:21 pmI love spending my hard earned tax dollars on a country of ingrates. No matter how many billions it takes, we must force them to accept our occupation, since we know what’s best for Iraq.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:21 pm37: They simply cannot admit they’re wrong. They’re complete nutters.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:21 pmMr President
Don’ t forget
2.2 million dispalced Bosnians under Clinton/UN leaderhship/
July 27th, 2007 at 3:22 pmHell of a foreign policy. Blame that darn intern with the blue dress.
Devil with the Blue Dress off..
I am very heartened by the troll’s concern for accountability and honesty in our government.
It would be nice if they would apply it to the current administration as well as the one that hasn’t been in office for seven years.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:22 pmComment by TripMaster Monkey — July 27, 2007 @ 3:20 pm
When the Hutu majority told the Belgians and the UN to leave Rwanda in the early 1990s, they proceded to exterminate 800,000 innocent Tutsis. President Bush is not going to be as heartless and foolish as Bill Clinton. The US will secure peace, and will not abandon the Iraqi people.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:22 pmGood then we can divide the country and move our troops to the boarders.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:23 pmWhen the Hutu majority told the Belgians and the UN to leave Rwanda in the early 1990s, they proceded to exterminate 800,000 innocent Tutsis. President Bush is not going to be as heartless and foolish as Bill Clinton. The US will secure peace, and will not abandon the Iraqi people.
Comment by Mr. President — July 27, 2007 @ 3:16 pm
Nice try but this thread is about the CRISIS IN IRAQ. Since obviously you have no defense of the current situation why don’t you try not commenting for a while.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:24 pmSome armies spread happiness whereever they go.
Others spread hapiness whenever they go…
Just sayin…
July 27th, 2007 at 3:24 pm800,000 innocent Tutsis in 100 days
July 27th, 2007 at 3:24 pmthat’s fast
43: How may of our servicemen died in Bosnia?
July 27th, 2007 at 3:24 pm“It would be nice if they would apply it to the current administration as well as the one that hasn’t been in office for seven years.”
Hahahaha!
July 27th, 2007 at 3:24 pmNot true! We’re something like 1/24 of the way there…we’re making progress.
Comment by SGT Higgins
Hello Sarge,
And of course, this is saying we have accomplished 1/24th of the effort in only 4 years. If my math is any good, we will complete the electrical mission in just 92 more years, right?
July 27th, 2007 at 3:25 pmJudging from the results of the US intervention in Iraq, it may well be a good thing that we did not intervene in Rwanda as well.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:25 pmThe trolls must have hired some new writers, because this “Clinton is responsible for Rwanda” material is comedy gold. And they love it soooo much!
I guess they don’t have much of a choice, what with the MSM refusing to report any of the GOOD news out of Iraq, and their hero Abu G looking like the incompetent weasel that Bush hoped he’d be, and the stock market taking a major-league dump. They really don’t have any other options. They’ve got to go to their pathetic “Clinton did it in Rwanda” talking point, even though they know how totally lame it is. They’ve GOT to know. I mean, it’s obvious, isn’t it?
C**T? Mr. Urine — I mean, Mr. Pee? You trolls realize how lame your Rwanda schtick is, don’t you?
July 27th, 2007 at 3:25 pm49. History was my worst subject. Get relevant.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:25 pmComment by CT Scan — July 27, 2007 @ 3:22 pm
Copying and pasting an earlier screed of yours that has nothing to do with my post is pathetic, even for you, CT.
Care to actually address the DU issue, or would you rather just keep your mouth closed and salvage what little credibility remains to you?
July 27th, 2007 at 3:25 pm…move our troops to the boarders.
Comment by Troll — July 27, 2007 @ 3:23 pm
Isn’t there a Constitutional amendment prohibiting this?
July 27th, 2007 at 3:26 pmIf this government is in such crisis, then why the hell are they taking a summer break?
I say the same about our own government, of course.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:26 pmPresident Benjamin Harrison is responsible for the stock market losing over 300 points yesterday!
July 27th, 2007 at 3:26 pmI know cause a troll told me so!
800,000 innocent Tutsis in 100 days
that’s fast
Comment by Flaco — July 27, 2007 @ 3:24 pm
———————————————————
Indeed, too fast. Never forget. Never again.
God Bless President Bush and Vice President Cheney.
God Bless the USA!!!
July 27th, 2007 at 3:27 pmThe US will secure peace, and will not abandon the Iraqi people.
Comment by CT Scan — July 27, 2007 @ 3:22 pm
If you’d read the actual threads you would see that WE HAVE abandoned them even while we’re there.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:28 pmmove our troops to the boarders.
I wonder what the boarding house renters will think about that?
July 27th, 2007 at 3:28 pmOff-topic, Unrelated, Neocon talking points of the day:
July 27th, 2007 at 3:28 pm1) Rwanda
2) Clinton
Copying and pasting an earlier screed of yours that has nothing to do with my post is pathetic, even for you, CT.
Care to actually address the DU issue, or would you rather just keep your mouth closed and salvage what little credibility remains to you?
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 27, 2007 @ 3:25 pm
C**T has credibility remaining?
Why? How?
Did it get stuck in the cushions of her couch when she was drunkenly squandering all the rest on Bushie and “Clinton did it in Rwanda” gags?
Poor, bankrupt little C**T.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:28 pmthe reason the iraqis are not making any progress is because like their close related republicans over here both just have trouble walking without their knuckles bleeding…. hell if they cant even walk, how are they supposed to get anything else done?
July 27th, 2007 at 3:29 pmI Love Me. I think I’ll give myself a pat on the back, a high five and a hug. God Bless me, myself and I.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:29 pmComment by TripMaster Monkey — July 27, 2007 @ 3:20 pm
Mr. Monkey,
If the Iraqis decide to act all kooky in response to our help, it doesn’t mean they know what’s best for them. They’re making decisions and projecting insults based on anger, but they fail to see how bad the problem really would be if they don’t allow us to finish the job. U.S. forces are attempting to bring peace to them. The Iraqi’s need to be held to greater account so that can happen.
There are insurgents who would reign in good people of the Iraqi community if we leave now. We have to protect them, and a good conscience would convey that.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:29 pmCoverage of “God†isn’t something the news likes to take up.
Gee, the
liberalCentrist media doesn’t even recognize their own God. I guess I’m not surprised, even FOX news never shows a picture of GOD. Wonder why that is?The US will secure peace, and will not abandon the Iraqi people.
Comment by CT Scan.
Its war according to Flaco, your trollip friend. Its a roadmap to the nuclear holocaust and a religious war against the muslims to cleanse the world by Armageddon according to Hagee. Who BTW blames the Jews for their persecution. Not Hitler and not the mythical ‘Godless Lefties’. The fact is you can’t stay on message and flip flip like an oxygen starved fish on a hot sidewalk trying to avoid hungry squalling seagulls.
Is it a religious war, a police action, ethnic sectarian violence, or a freedom operation? WTF exactly do you call Trollips call this shock and awe quagmire that was supposed to last six months culminmating in a parade of flowers with Chalabi and Curveball holding hands on their flowry flotilla pulled by smiling Sunnis and Shiites?
July 27th, 2007 at 3:29 pmBut Clinton, Rwanda, Monica, Blue dress . . .sigh.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:31 pm#62 If you’d read the actual threads you would see that WE HAVE abandoned them even while we’re there.
Comment by shane
As you all know, this is one demented troll, not many, and why would they read anything except the talking point of the day (Rwanda is today.s it is all over the blogosphere.).
best to just step over them, as you would fresh dogshit on the sidewalk. It is a lot less messy and odorous that way.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:31 pmMr. Bush; Who you gonna believe? Me? Or your own lyin’ eyes?
July 27th, 2007 at 3:31 pmComment by Egreggious — July 27, 2007 @ 3:26 pm
Not US borders, Iraqi borders. Iraq was the subject.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:31 pmOh, and by the way, CT, regarding your screed regarding the 800,000 exterminated Tutsis, the death toll for innocent Iraqi citizens in Iraq was 655,000 as of October 2006, and this is with us there.
When exactly can we expect to “win” this “war”, you dolt? Feel free to express your answer in Friedmans.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:32 pmThe libs have resorted to personal insults and name-jacking…
we all know that means trolls win.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:32 pm#64
July 27th, 2007 at 3:33 pmIt’s called history pea brain.
Comment by CT Scan — July 27, 2007 @ 3:29 pm
You’re psychotic.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:33 pmHello Sarge, — Hello
(Im in hit & run mode today)
If my math is any good, we will complete the electrical mission in just 92 more years, right?
Comment by upside00
Well sure. That’s makin’ good time, too. You gotta factor in the logistics here: We’re talkin’ more than just electricity, we’re talkin’ sockets, bulbs and the like.
The lightbulb is made out of glass……glass is made out of sand…..Iraq is made out of sand. (see where I’m going with this?) …therefore….The lightbulb is made out of Iraq! Bet you got a little bit of bright, shiny Iraqi-ness in your living room right now, as a matter of fact.
OK, on that note………..
July 27th, 2007 at 3:33 pmNot US bo[a]rders, Iraqi bo[a]rders. Iraq was the subject.
Comment by Troll — July 27, 2007 @ 3:31 pm
You might want to check this comment to see what I was talking about:
Comment by RUCerious — July 27, 2007 @ 3:28 pm
July 27th, 2007 at 3:34 pmBleeding heart Bush Republicans want to be their brothers keeper in Iraq but don’t give a sh*t about Americans in New Orleans.
America haters!
-GSD
July 27th, 2007 at 3:34 pmWASHINGTON, July 26 — During a high-level meeting in Riyadh in January, Saudi officials confronted a top American envoy with documents that seemed to suggest that Iraq’s prime minister could not be trusted.
One purported to be an early alert from the prime minister, Nuri Kamal al-Maliki, to the radical Shiite cleric Moktada al-Sadr warning him to lie low during the coming American troop increase, which was aimed in part at Mr. Sadr’s militia. Another document purported to offer proof that Mr. Maliki was an agent of Iran.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/27/world/middleeast/27saudi.html?ex=1343188800&en=b73de4057a0eff74&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss
July 27th, 2007 at 3:34 pm“There are insurgents who would reign in good people of the Iraqi community if we leave now.
Comment by CT Scan — July 27, 2007″
they already are ‘reigning people in’. how many iraqi hearts and minds do you think we’ve won? they don’t have clean water or electricity. all that anyone who wants to stir up trouble or recruit insurgents has to do is point at the american presence as a scapegoat.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:37 pmOur commitment is to Iraq. Thanks Mr. President
It take years of military help before countries are able to stand on their own.
Armed Forces are a force for good wherever they serve in the world.
TPers can now go back to shopping at the mall. Lots of sales on today.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:37 pmMr. President
July 27th, 2007 at 3:37 pmThere are insurgents who would reign in good people of the Iraqi community if we leave now. We have to protect them, and a good conscience would convey that.
Comment by CT Scan
CT,
the word is ‘rein’…’reign in’ implies something rather disgusting and somehow, sinister.
And if they are ‘good people’, what makes you think they’re so easily swayed by ‘bad people’ ie insurgents?
When you say ‘We have to protect them’, you mean we have to protect them from themselves? From making a bad decision and joining the insurgents? how will they ever learn from their ‘mistakes’?
July 27th, 2007 at 3:38 pmI wonder if people realize that the failure of Iraq could have been avoided long before even going into Iraq. 78% of Americans and Most Major Corporate leaders agree that fighting poverty is the key to fighting terrorism [Borgen Project].
July 27th, 2007 at 3:38 pmThis obsession with Clinton and Rwanda is nothing new for Mr. President, folks. He was way into this even before he came up with the idea of namejacking dead servicemen as a way to hide his hatred of troops who actually risk something for their country.
He got interested in Rwanda because when he first heard about it, he thought it was LaWanda — Lawanda Page, that is, the actress who played Aunt Esther on Sanford and Son. Yeah, Mr. President’s always had a “thing” for her — so don’t any of you libs go calling him “racist”! No friggin’ way! He said many a time, “if I were in Sanford’s junkyard, I’d be on top of Esther so fast, she wouldn’t even have time to hit me with her handbag.”
Sick, I know, but I’ve gotten used to it with Mr. Pee. I’ve also suffered some trauma from his sickness, but I’d rather not talk about that with anyone but my sock therapist.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:39 pmArmed Forces are a force for good wherever they serve in the world.
Comment by Flaco
Really? Big fan of Pol Pot are you? Hitler? They each ruled an ‘armed force’…still think they were a ‘force for good’?
July 27th, 2007 at 3:40 pm#24
and does not help the RIGHT WING PNAC/AEI Plan to free the Oppressed Iraqis that suffered the RIGHT WING PNAC/AEI Plan ,
GTHU
Comment by DAGIM — July 27, 2007 @ 3:14 pm
July 27th, 2007 at 3:40 pmthe Oppressed Iraqis that ARE suffering under the RIGHT WING PNAC/AEI Plan had MORE RELIGIOUS FREEDOM
under Saddam Regime!
Really? Big fan of Pol Pot are you? Hitler? They each ruled an ‘armed force’…still think they were a ‘force for good’?
Comment by SGT Higgins — July 27, 2007 @ 3:40 pm
Excellent point, Sarge.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:41 pmYou are right Mr. President
name jackin’, insults etc.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:41 pm#89 Agreed.
Not to mention more electricity, food, gas, cars (Unexploded ones). shelter, quiet, fewer Saudis and no Green Zone!
July 27th, 2007 at 3:42 pm#88
July 27th, 2007 at 3:43 pmHeyoooOOOoOoOOoooOoOO you cut back on the Red Bull drink.
This obsession with Clinton and Rwanda is nothing new for Mr. President, folks.
And yet, since it’s nothing new, you’d think he could get something right about it … maybe once?
July 27th, 2007 at 3:43 pm.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 27, 2007 @ 3:33 pm
Success will seem psychotic to any lefty, son. What’s new?
July 27th, 2007 at 3:44 pmExcellent point, Sarge.
Comment by Zehava
Thanks, but considering who it was meant for, it’ll go in one eye and out the other.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:45 pmGM Tex gives his version/opinion of history freely
July 27th, 2007 at 3:45 pm#88
HeyoooOOOoOoOOoooOoOO you cut back on the Red Bull drink.
Comment by Flaco
Zehava,
July 27th, 2007 at 3:46 pmSee what I mean?
Thanks, but considering who it was meant for, it’ll go in one eye and out the other.
Comment by SGT Higgins — July 27, 2007 @ 3:45 pm
True. But the point remains. :)
July 27th, 2007 at 3:46 pmSuccess will seem psychotic to any lefty, son. What’s new?
“Success”? What “success”? Psychotic is supporting the same failure over and over and pretending it’s working.
There are only two kinds of people who want us to stay in Iraq: the Republicans and al Qaeda.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:47 pm.
You might want to check this comment to see what I was talking about:
Comment by RUCerious — July 27, 2007 @ 3:28 pm
Comment by Egreggious
Got it, just poking a little fun at the troll!
July 27th, 2007 at 3:48 pmZehava,
See what I mean?
Comment by SGT Higgins — July 27, 2007 @ 3:46 pm
What can I say? We gotta keep on keepin’ on. :D
July 27th, 2007 at 3:48 pmWell, maybe if they had a government that was truly chosen by the people of Iraq, it wouldn’t be so much of a problem. But since the current Iraqi government consists of people the United States has chosen, the people of Iraq are probably not feeling like they are truly being represented with their best interests in mind. Kind of like we feel right now with our current government. Actually, I think that I am identifying with the people of Iraq. Their government can’t be much worse than ours.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:48 pmThere are only two kinds of people who want us to stay in Iraq: the Republicans and al Qaeda.
Comment by Grand Moff Texan — July 27, 2007 @ 3:47 pm
And I’m starting to hold both in about the same level of esteem.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:48 pmThere are only two kinds of people who want us to stay in Iraq: the Republicans and al Qaeda.
.
Comment by Grand Moff Texan — July 27, 2007 @ 3:47 pm
Both groups full of relgious fundamentalists.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:49 pmAnd I’m starting to hold both in about the same level of esteem.
Comment by Egreggious — July 27, 2007 @ 3:48 pm
At this point in time, one would collapse without the other.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:49 pmFlaco, son. You better pray to the flying spaghetti monster
the nation makes it through these next couple of years.
i have a feeling you aint a gonna fair so well when you have to
finally walk your talk.
son.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:50 pmGM Tex gives his version/opinion of history freely. Comment by Flaco — July 27, 2007 @ 3:45 pm
Well, you shouldn’t complain much, after all your allowed to type your opinions here unlike many other sites. Go figure this secular site promotes freedom of speech for all.
Besides that, aren’t you gonna claim that this article from the Christian Science Montor is more conspiratorial liberul media propaganda?
July 27th, 2007 at 3:50 pmThere are only two kinds of people who want us to stay in Iraq: the Republicans and al Qaeda
I guess you’d have to include Halliburton execs in the former category??
July 27th, 2007 at 3:50 pmComment by Grand Moff Texan — July 27, 2007 @ 3:47 pm
Al Qaeda will say anything to make us (the good guys) appear to be crazy. They’ll play reverse psychology and claim they want us to stay in Iraq because it “makes us terrorists look good.”
The democrat mindset will do that to a normal person.
Al Qaeda can count on more bombs for breakfast.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:51 pm#108
July 27th, 2007 at 3:52 pmthanks Pa
Both groups full of relgious fundamentalists.
Comment by shane — July 27, 2007 @ 3:49 pm
And the sectarian violent criminals in Iraq aren’t? You don’t know how to draw the line correctly, do you?
July 27th, 2007 at 3:52 pmI personally would like to stick Flaco, Mr. P and CT in Baghdad for ONE DAY just to knock some sense into their pathetic brains. One day with no power, no phones and only a chunk of ice to cool them off. Good times.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:53 pmInteresting tidbit from TO..
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/072707O.shtml
” At a separate hearing before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Undersecretary of State Nicholas Burns reiterated the view that the United States would take unilateral action against al Qaeda in Pakistan under certain circumstances.
But he stressed that Washington’s strong preference was to work with the Pakistani government.”
So if Mushareff is overthrown, watch out Pakistan!
July 27th, 2007 at 3:54 pmWhat can I say? We gotta keep on keepin’ on. :D
Comment by Zehava
True enough. But sheesh! do we have to keep carrying these trolls? I mean, we could drop ‘em, nobody’s around to see us do it? Look, there’s plenty of troll food out here in the woods, they make it back, we’ll deal with ‘em then. If not, well hey, we’ll say it was survival of the fittest. Trolls are notoriously un-fit.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:54 pmClinton’s Fault….
Clinton did it too…
Two wrongs make it right…
No underlying Crime….
Monica was used….
We are obsessed with sex lives of Dems only….
Tillman died of Friendly Fire….
Things go bad in War…..
It’s never our fault….
Liberals just want to blame America….
Liberals are Stalinists….
Death to all who aren’t with Jesus…..
Bush will bring Jesus back….
I suck my thumb…..
We will borrow and spend our way to economic destruction…errr… I mean economic domination….
Kids should buy there own health care….
We should give our Social Security to greedy wealthy stock brokers….
Only listen to Generals that agree with you, and fire the rest….
Let Halliburton run our education system….
Force people to have babies against their will, then we should turn our backs on them if they need help….
Cry about abortion and gay marriage, but let’s make sure we don’t do anything about it, or we will have nothing to run on….
Cry about ‘activist’ judges then appoint conservative judges that will consistently overturn the will of the Congress to our advantage. Which will inherently make them ‘activist’ but we will call it sound legal reasoning when they do it.
Iraqi’s should thank us because death by our ineptitude is better than death by Saddam…
Be sure that all our candidates support ‘enhanced interrogation techniques’ which know don’t work, but makes us sound tough…
Complain about long waits in Canada, even though vast majorities of Canadian’s are happy with their health care system….
Make fun of Michael Moore instead of actually confronting the truth of statements. Just change the subject because we can’t beat him on the issue…
Alberto Gonzalez is a solid yes man that is lying to Congress because he supports the troops while Democrats don’t….. (see I changed the subject)
I’m tired now, I’m going to get in my crib and take a nappy….
July 27th, 2007 at 3:55 pmComment by C**T Scan — July 27, 2007 @ 3:51 pm
Poor deluded C**T. She thinks the terrorists are using “reverse psychology” when they say they want us to stay in Iraq. Maybe they’re using “reverse psychology” when they say they want us out of Saudi Arabia?
Either way, C**Ty, you’re letting the terrorists determine your actions.
Poor sad little smelly C**T.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:55 pm#118
Typical Right wing responses to most things
July 27th, 2007 at 3:55 pmAnd I’m starting to hold both in about the same level of esteem.
Comment by Egreggious
Perhaps you meant steamy instead of esteem?
(as in steamy pantload)
July 27th, 2007 at 3:55 pmAl Qaeda will say anything to make us (the good guys) appear to be crazy. They’ll play reverse psychology and claim they want us to stay in Iraq because it “makes us terrorists look good.â€
What are you quoting, there? Anything?
No, that’s what I thought.
Meanwhile, back in reality, al Qaeda is doing exactly what they said what they’d do back in 2002 and our own NIE shows that they’re winning. That’s not psychology, that’s you running from a debate you can’t handle.
The democrat mindset will do that to a normal person.
I see the GOP has sewn up the 7th grade vote. No wonder they can’t get anything right.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:56 pm.
And the sectarian violent criminals in Iraq aren’t? You don’t know how to draw the line correctly, do you?
Comment by CT Scan — July 27, 2007 @ 3:52 pm
As usual, not a denial, just a diversion.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:56 pmWhy didn’t Clinton save all those Rwandans? He could have done it all by himself, no matter what racist Rethugs (am I one?) would have done if he’d tried it! I’m a Rethug, and I care about “teh coloreds”! I think this cut is infected from Cheetohs and spit.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:56 pmTopic: “Iraqi government ‘in the midst of the worst crisis.’”
July 27th, 2007 at 3:57 pmNot Topic: History
Comment by shane — July 27, 2007 @ 3:53 pm
….and you continue to miss the point. Instead, you c-o-n-t-i-n-u-e to push lefty crazy-points.
War is a messy, but sometimes necessary institution. This is one of those times.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:57 pmListening to the radio on the way home last night, the US Army commander in Diyala province was quoted as saying he could count the number of foreign fighter “Al-Qaeda types he’d encountered in the last month on one hand.
But watch out, they must be following us home already!
July 27th, 2007 at 3:57 pmGM Tex gives his version/opinion of history freely. Comment by Flaco — July 27, 2007 @ 3:45 pm
Especially around morons who think they can just make things up to cover for Bush’s failure, yes.
Why shouldn’t I?
July 27th, 2007 at 3:57 pm.
Crump respond to his own post. Must be Crumps other brother
July 27th, 2007 at 3:57 pmBoth groups full of relgious fundamentalists.
Comment by shane — July 27, 2007 @ 3:49 pm
And the sectarian violent criminals in Iraq aren’t? You don’t know how to draw the line correctly, do you?
Comment by CT Scan — July 27, 2007 @ 3:52 pm
We were talking about al Qaeda and Republicans, jackass. Are you implying they’re not groups that include a large contingent of religious fundamentalist? Not that anybody was talking to you any way.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:57 pmI personally would like to stick Flaco, Mr. P and CT in Baghdad for ONE DAY just to knock some sense into their pathetic brains. One day with no power, no phones and only a chunk of ice to cool them off. Good times.
Comment by shane
Don’t forget the incoming mortars..the 20 minute phone cards that last 3 minutes from IRAQ…Oh, and my all time favorite…they’d love this….bottled water that’s so friggin’ hot, it feels like it’s boiling your throat. Ahhhh Good times, good times.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:58 pm“Al Qaeda can count on more bombs for breakfast.
Comment by CT Scan — July 27, 2007″
you forgot the part about how someone other than you has to do all the hard work involved with that.
July 27th, 2007 at 3:58 pmthe 20 minute phone cards that last 3 minutes from IRAQ…
How in the hell does that work?
July 27th, 2007 at 3:59 pm.
Comment by mikey r — July 27, 2007 @ 3:55 pm
Never would I attempt to take a war plan from a loser-determined lefty. Do yourself a favor, piss off, and don’t waste your time with the defeatist language. General Petraeus wouldn’t care to hear it.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:00 pmWar is a messy, but sometimes necessary institution.
Comment by CT Scan
I don’t think ‘war’ is what needs to be ‘institutionalized.’
July 27th, 2007 at 4:01 pmComment by Most Heinous Troll — July 27, 2007 @ 3:55 pm
Tough talk CT, you couldn’t handle tough talk. That’s why you sit your scared sorry ass behind your keyboard all day so the normal kids at the trailer park don’t kick your ass.
You trolls are so imprisoned by your own fear you can be convinced of anything. The rest of us prefer the danger that comes with freedom.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:02 pmHow in the hell does that work?
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Comment by Grand Moff Texan
lmao..those cards are for ‘domestic minutes’. Iraq aren’t domestic.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:02 pmWar was never declared. It’s symbolic, just like the War on Drugs and has about the same result.
Republicans bury their heads in the sand and their cracks are used for bike parking.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:03 pmComment by cha cha cha — July 27, 2007 @ 3:58 pm
You forgot that I support the use of high-tech aviation wings over ground forces. Costs less in lives.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:03 pmYeah, and remember when Clinton caused that tsunami that killed 170,000 people? Man, Clinton gets away with everything.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius
Yeah, and remember when those Virginia Tech students didn’t dodge bullets and disarm a gunman like Mr. President has seen on dah Tee-Vee?
Bunch of damned lefties.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:03 pm.
Never would I attempt to take a war plan from a loser-determined lefty. Do yourself a favor, piss off, and don’t waste your time with the defeatist language. General Petraeus wouldn’t care to hear it.
Comment by C**T Scan — July 27, 2007 @ 4:00 pm
No, you’d rather take your war plan from alQaeda. At least they’re conservatives.
And I’m not planning on emailing Gen. Petreaus. So if he comes here and rads my comments, then I don’t really care what he would “care to read”.
Poor silly little C**T.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:04 pmComment by shane — July 27, 2007 @ 4:02 pm
Again, more of nothing said.
Don’t flatter yourself….
July 27th, 2007 at 4:04 pmWar is a messy, but sometimes necessary institution. This is one of those times.
Comment by CT Scan — July 27, 2007 @ 3:57 pm
We’re at war? With what army?
July 27th, 2007 at 4:04 pmMr. Peepee loves the UN!
July 27th, 2007 at 4:06 pmShane go home boy1
July 27th, 2007 at 4:06 pmlmao..those cards are for ‘domestic minutes’. Iraq aren’t domestic.
… and … there are no larger denominations available?
That sucks.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:07 pm.
Comment by shane — July 27, 2007 @ 4:04 pm
Again, don’t flatter yourself.
This is the War on Terror. The army is radical Islam.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:07 pmDon’t forget the incoming mortars..the 20 minute phone cards that last 3 minutes from IRAQ…Oh, and my all time favorite…they’d love this….bottled water that’s so friggin’ hot, it feels like it’s boiling your throat. Ahhhh Good times, good times.
Comment by SGT Higgins — July 27, 2007 @ 3:58 pm
I’d even spare them the incoming mortars, I have a heart. And adult diapers in extra large are probably expensive. And I want to see them spew this same crap after the experience, if their hearts give out we wouldn’t get to see them with some humility.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:08 pmhe UN is handling that situation.
Comment by Mr. President
You mean you don’t want to blow the top 20 floors off like Mr Bolton and Anne Coulter? Shocked I say..just….Dayum…Shocked!
July 27th, 2007 at 4:08 pmd8 Rattle Rattle 8P
“You forgot that I support the use of high-tech aviation wings over ground forces. Costs less in lives.
Comment by CT Scan — July 27, 2007″
which of course means someone other than you is flying that ‘high-tech aviation.’ maybe you ought to man up and take some flying lessons.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:08 pmThese lefties just can’t get their mind straight.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:08 pm… and … there are no larger denominations available?
That sucks.
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Comment by Grand Moff Texan
the 20 minute ones I’m referring to were free ones. We could buy larger ones at the PX. But yeah, the general rule was that the card lasted for roughly 15-20% of the face amount.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:09 pmsays the neocon pig, coward.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:09 pmTrolls,
Maybe you can help explain how it is that the left (and its not just the left, but I digress) wants to leave Iraq, you characterize it as us not caring about the Iraqis when, in fact, this is double think at its finest.
Why is it that you only pretend to care about other people when it can be used as a talkingpoint to support your dubious goals? That is a notable difference between us, while it is the mission of the left to serve the best interests of the people.
You say that we are there to help Iraqis yet you do not give them the credit to know what is best for themselves while nearly 80% of them recognize that our presence there is fueling the violence and they want us out. What makes you think that you know what is best for them? Why do YOU not support the Iraqi people and their collective wishes? Please answer this question or at least stop pretending that you care.
In addition, as lame as it is, you will never catch me complaining about you bringing Bill Clinton up every chance you get because I am sure I will still be talking about Bush for years to come. Although I do not see the damage that Clinton has done to our democracy, beyond leaving the door open for a Bush presidency, I only hope that you will provide me with the same courtesy at that future date.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:09 pmBut yeah, the general rule was that the card lasted for roughly 15-20% of the face amount.
What about internet phone? Any setups for that?
July 27th, 2007 at 4:10 pm.
Just remember ;
JoooOOOOOoooOooooOs and Halliburton & Bushco.
That’s all of the TP talking points.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:11 pmShane go home boy1
Comment by Flaco — July 27, 2007 @ 4:06 pm
I’m trying to get out of here because my daughter wants the computer but doing what YOU say, I don’t think so.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:11 pmThis is the War on Terror. The army is radical Islam.
Comment by CT Scan
No, I specifically remember it being a freedom operation. George said so. Democracy, purple fingers. Let Freedom Reign! Iraq is sovereign -Condi Rice
July 27th, 2007 at 4:11 pmThank God Saddam Hussein isn’t still in power and tens (hundreds?) of thousands of Iraqis would still be alive, over 3000 US troops would still be alive, Iraq wouldn’t be in ruins and Iraq would still have electricity (among other things).
Heckuva job, right-wing enablers.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:11 pmThese lefties just can’t get their mind straight.
Comment by C**T Scan — July 27, 2007 @ 4:08 pm
And another pearl of wisdom is squeezed from the tip of silly little C**T and drops on the toilet seat. And C**T recognizes his accomplishment.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:11 pmIn addition, as lame as it is, you will never catch me complaining about you bringing Bill Clinton up every chance you get because I am sure I will still be talking about Bush for years to come.
The difference being that we won’t have to make stuff up.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:11 pm.
This cracked me up.
How’s this for an army?
http://www.defensetech.org/archives/003615.html
July 27th, 2007 at 4:12 pmThat’s all of the TP talking points.
Comment by Flaco
TP is funded by Soros, JOOOOOoooo. How man times do toy have to be reminded of that. Besides Mr Erma Geddon, The good Rev, Hagee says it’s the JOoOooOOoss fault for their persecution.
Please try to stay current.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:13 pmAgain, don’t flatter yourself.
This is the War on Terror. The army is radical Islam.
Comment by CT Scan — July 27, 2007 @ 4:07 pm
Then why are so many “non radical” Iraqis dying? And a war against radical Islam that creates more radicals daily. You do need to be institutionalized.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:13 pmWhat about internet phone? Any setups for that?
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Comment by Grand Moff Texan
There may be now, there weren’t then (’03). One NCO in the company tried to do that but couldnt’ get it to work. It was fairly new on the market then, too. We did get e-mail via satellite, but being a trans co, we were on the road a lot, and frankly, anywhere other than base camp was better. So a lot of times we’d get somewhere else, bed down, and then go hit the USO.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:14 pm2.2 million dispalced Bosnians under Clinton/UN leaderhship/
Hell of a foreign policy
Same number of displaced Iraqis under Bush, plus 650,000 dead, by his hand. This is how a sociopath “helps” an oil-rich country. bush occupies the wame place in history as Hitler, pol Pot, Stalin, and all the rest of the rightwing monsters you Repigs never learn anything good from. Bring up Clinton all you want, he’s already proven to be one of the 20th century’s best presidents, and, having left office with a very high approval rating, will go down in history as a success, whereas Georgie the Deserter will be another loser, a failure, and an object of ridicule for the next century or more. No president can lose two wars, destroy the economy and America’s reputation, pardon convicted felons, wipe themselves with the Constitution and imprison thousands od innocents without destroying his reputation forever, and Chimpy has accomplished all of that and more. He makes Nixon look pretty good.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:14 pmIn that case, Sarge, you’re gonna love this!
July 27th, 2007 at 4:14 pm.
smells like fish, it’s a dish…
dayum 8^|
… gotta get back to writing my term paper… it’s due monday,
cya later, M. Bivins
July 27th, 2007 at 4:15 pm2.2 million dispalced Bosnians under Clinton/UN leaderhship/
Hell of a find, ronjazz. Dumbass bushtard thinks Clinton was the imperator of Serbia at the time, I guess.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:15 pm.
Shouldn’t have gone in to git Saddam.
Further proof that even a tyrannical leader is better than no leader at all.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:15 pmComment by Marcus Aurelius — July 27, 2007 @ 4:15 pm
That is in no way a response.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:17 pmThen why are so many “non radical†Iraqis dying?
Because the War on Terror is an import to Iraq, courtesy of Chimpy McCokespoon.
His installation and service suck.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:17 pm.
Comment by Grand Moff Texan — July 27, 2007 @ 4:14 pm
A taxi? killed by a taxi? Oh man, you gotta wonder how many millions of $$’s from the defense budget went into a program that was taken out by a friggin’ taxi!
July 27th, 2007 at 4:18 pmThat is in no way a response.
Comment by CT Scan — July 27, 2007 @ 4:17 pm
Kinda ruins the joke if we have to explain it to you.
So … we won’t.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:19 pm.
Smells like cologne leave it alone Mr P. BTW a smart religious fella such as yourself should have caught onto My Fishy, actually Christian Piscean moniker I would think Mr P.
“You forgot that I support the use of high-tech aviation wings over ground forces. Costs less in lives. Comment by CT Scan
Even George realized that spending a million dollars to shoot a camel up the butt wasn’t very resourceful. The Shock and Awe campaign cannot be successful without boots on the grouind. This is why we are currently having to create surges, remember? Sheeshus.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:20 pmIt is, however, a fact.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:21 pmRemember shock and awe. What was all that about again?
CT is such a rightie that he can’t make left turns.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:28 pmYou got that wrong – CT is an upper-middleclass or better neocon turd kid. He can’t go near the trailer park, or the normal kids will give him the threashing of his life.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius — July 27, 2007 @ 4:12 pm
#
Bingo. I’d say a young repug. Tough talker, big w/ a gang o’ goons backing
it, or tap tap tappin’ away at its keyboard.
safe and smug – the new strain of an old party.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:37 pmwell put mikey r.
the late great republican party.
July 27th, 2007 at 4:39 pmWhat’s that?
Tyranny is better than anarchy?!
July 27th, 2007 at 4:43 pmA summary of many of the points in the first 169 posts….
*takes deep breath*
Troll Channeling Engaged.
*starts foaming at mouth, eyes turn red*
CLINTON DID IT!!!!!11!!!111!!!11!!!1!!!!!!11!!!!one!!11eleventyone!11
*clears throat*
Pathetic.
*raises eyebrow, then does that pathetic line right*
*duns black Karate Gi*
*turns back on Trolls*
*black fire erupts from his shoulders as the Chinese symbol for Heaven glows in a blood-red glow on his back*
Shoushi!
*grins*
July 27th, 2007 at 4:44 pmIsn’t this thread about how the Iraqi government is in free fall, and the Cheney/Bush administration simply does not care? Cannot we stop pissing on the trolls and discuss the failures and lies of the Cheney/Bush administration?
July 27th, 2007 at 4:53 pm“That’s right, blame the U.S. As a typical lefty, do you think your statements are covering any new ground here. I mean, you are a predictable, irrational lefty.
Sit and spin, mykee.
Comment by CT Scan “
That’s right, make Excuses for Bush as a typical neoCon, do you think your statements are covering any new ground here. I mean, you are predictable, insane neoCon.
You gotta love these trolls talking about “covering new ground”. These are the “Clinton did it” crowd. And they think that’s new ground. What a bunch of right-wing loons they are.
July 27th, 2007 at 5:01 pm“Cannot we stop pissing on the trolls and discuss the failures and lies of the Cheney/Bush administration?”
True. Lets start at the beginning… Now why is our military in Iraq? I still haven’t had that explained to me yet.
July 27th, 2007 at 5:09 pm“The UN is handling that situation.
Comment by Mr. President — July 27, 2007 @ 3:12 pm”
Ok, if Bush’s excuse for ignoring Darfur is that “the UN is handling it”, then why doesn’t the same apply to Clinton. Because the UN was handling Rwanda too. And it is to Clinton’s shame, he didn’t do enough to help in Rwanda. The same as it is to Bush’s shame that he isn’t doing anything to help in Darfur.
July 27th, 2007 at 5:11 pm“Cannot we stop pissing on the trolls and discuss the failures and lies of the Cheney/Bush administration?â€
True. Lets start at the beginning… Now why is our military in Iraq? I still haven’t had that explained to me yet.
Comment by J — July 27, 2007 @ 5:09 pm
What I’ve gotten from this thread is that it has something to do with Clinton and Rwanda.
July 27th, 2007 at 5:16 pmYes, Egg, we are in Iraq because the Bosnian Rwandans will follow us here…
July 27th, 2007 at 5:24 pmYeah, I guess, though we’ve hashed that out enough already. Failures and lies of Cheney/Bush? He’s had 6 years of unfettered access to this country’s manpower and materials, turned his head the other direction while AQ started its final preparations to strike New York and DC, started a war in Afghanistan with no intention to finish it, switched to his real goal, Iraq, after botching catching the bastard that hit us, introduced whole new layers of bureaucracy and cronyism in the federal government that came to a head in August of 2005 with the absolute destruction of an American city in his watch not by terrorists but by Mother Nature herself (and it’s not like she didn’t give plenty of warning…I shudder to think of the response time to a terrorist attack), and got his party beat in 2006, and only now is starting to be checked like he should have been since 2001.
Summed it up good enough?
The trolls, however, are part of this. We hear the talking points day in and day out from these fools about how 9/11 isn’t Bush’s fault and how Iraq is a part of the War on Terror. We know these fools get their talking points from sources on high. While I don’t think people like Mr. P are actually on Karl Rove’s payroll, I do think he reads conservative blogs and talking point sources (Drudge Report, Redstate, Fox News, etc), and spews their bull$#!+ on TP. The “Clinton Responsible for 9/11″ meme was originated in August of 2001, as intel made it abundantly clear that something was going to happen in the late summer/early fall of 2001. We’ve got to keep in mind that these people lie, lie, lie some more, push their memes out into the public discourse, keep lieing, attack the character of those that disagree with them, and in general keep pushing until their memes are as big a part of society as memes that preceded them. The people running the show (for whom our trolls mouthpiece for) are extremely smart and are not concerned with morals or ethics in the slightest. Memes are powerful if they’re allowed to run unchecked into society. The lightest version of a meme? Well, remember the big craze about ‘All Your Base are Belong to Us’ a little ways back? Now, imagine getting ‘Clinton was behind 9/11′ out there like that AYBABTU line? It’s happening as we speak.
Don’t think that just because the stated goal of pacifying and democratizing Iraq failed that this administration is a failure. Their goals have not failed. We’re closer to the dream of Unitary Executive today than in most, if not all of our past, and the real goal of creating never-ending conflict is so close to completion that it’ll take great people to pull us off from the brink, and our current leadership will fight every step of the way, tooth and nail, to keep from being pulled back from the brink. The trolls are just another Cheney/Bush method of lying out there.
July 27th, 2007 at 5:27 pmSo, the Iraq government isn’t meeting the 18 US imposed benchmarks. I say, more power to em. Personally, I see the Oil law as degrading and I bet the Iraqis do to. I suspect the Iraqi parliament is trying to run out the clock. The Yanks can’t expect to stay past December and so it will be a whole new ballgame in 2008.
July 27th, 2007 at 5:45 pmComment by david — July 27, 2007 @ 5:45 pm
HEy!!!
You didn’t mention Rwanda!!!!
Get lost, kid!!!
July 27th, 2007 at 5:52 pmNow that sounds like “last throes” doesn’t it, Dick?!
July 27th, 2007 at 5:57 pm“Iraq is in the throes of its worst political crisis since the fall of Saddam Hussein…”
On 14 May 2003, John Howard, Australia’s fearless leader said:
“Not only was the military operation completed quickly and successfully but it is also worth recording that all of the doomsday predictions… were not realised. The decisive victory of the American led coalition reflects enormous credit on the strength and the determination of the leadership of President Bush.â€
D’oh!
July 27th, 2007 at 10:13 pmThe surge has clearly failed. The Maliki government has not come through on any of its promises. There is no oil law. Allowing more Sunnis into the government has not taken place via the de-baathification process. The militias and death squads have not been disbanded. While we have American forces dying in Iraq everyday (100+ a month) the Iraqi government is taking a vacation. That is unacceptable. While our soldiers are taking IEDs and dying and getting injured the Iraqi government is taking a vacation?
Bush, Cheney, Rice and everyone else in this administration have said that Iraq has a political solution and not a military one so where are we having a surge at all? Our brave troops have done all they can. It is time to bring them home. The surge was supposed to give a chance to Maliki to make political progress, he has not done that. The surge has clearly failed. The republicans who stand up against Bush don’t have the courage of their convictions. They didn’t vote to end cloture in the all night debate that recently took place in the Senate. Except for 4 republicans all of them voted with the president. They continue to support a policy they don’t believe in. A policy they know is wrong.
July 28th, 2007 at 6:22 pm