Time For President To Come Clean On Tillman Cover-Up
Time For President To Come Clean On Tillman Cover-Up
Our guest blogger is Jon Soltz, chairman of VoteVets.org and veteran of the Iraq war.
The worst way you can further exacerbate the pain survivors of a fallen soldier feel, is to keep them wondering why and how their loved one died. Now past three years since former NFL star Pat Tillman died in Afghanistan, his mother, Mary Tillman, and her family do not have answers. Unfortunately, documents meant to put the investigation into his death to rest are only bringing up more painful questions, rather than calming them. What’s worse is that the case could start to have serious repercussions with internal confidence in the Armed Forces.
Yesterday, the Associated Press reported that among the files on the case that the news agency obtained were details of Army medical examiners being unable to convince the military to look into whether Tillman was intentionally killed. According to the documents, the wounds they found were inconsistent with the government’s original official story that Tillman was cut down by Afghan fighters and looked more like he was killed by an American M-16 just a mere 10 yards away.
After an investigation, the government changed the story — that Tillman was a victim of friendly fire, an honest mistake, because he was mistaken for the enemy. The recent revelations now cast this conclusion into serious doubt. You don’t mistake someone from 10 yards away. But, was it murder or negligence? Was this a deliberate homicide?
President Bush is not helping at all. With these new details, and his decision to invoke executive privilege in the Tillman investigation, the President is certainly sending the signal that he has something to hide.
It is inevitable, then, that unless the President comes clean, rumors about Tillman’s death will take hold. By stonewalling, there is no way to stop people from wondering, “Was the man the White House used to promote the war ordered to be killed because he was becoming increasingly critical of the war in Iraq?” It was well known that Tillman was critical of the decision to go to war, and had often read and quoted Noam Chomsky. I don’t personally believe such a conspiracy to be the case, but until the President comes clean, rumors like that will continue to grow. Every officer knows that if a soldier in their command is killed they must write the family and tell them the truth, for exactly that reason. Why can’t the man who sent Pat Tillman to war, and used his death for political gain, have the courage to tell a family what happened to their son?
Ultimately, besides causing unfair pain to the Tillman family, the President is perilously close to doing severe damage to the military with his bullheadedness. If America looks at the Tillman case and concludes that the military cannot be trusted to tell the truth and take care of its own, and that the White House is an enabler of that behavior, public confidence in our fine military will wane.
Recruiters rely on the family members like mothers and fathers to allow their 18-year olds to sign up. The longer this festers and the longer questions linger, these families and our young people will lose their will to serve our country. Who gives their child to country who doesn’t honor their sacrifice? We don’t need new hurdles to recruiting like that, at a time when we desperately need to increase the size of our active duty component. Additionally, those already in the military will lose faith that the leadership actually gives a damn about them, as the Tillman case becomes a hot topic in chow halls. Morale and confidence in the institution will crumble.
In the Army, we have a saying: Good units have problems, but great units fix them. In other words, we’re largely judged in the military by how we are able to step up, accept responsibility, and correct problems, because problems that are allowed to fester are unacceptable. Unfortunately, the Tillman case just extends the pattern from this President of being unwilling or unable to step up and fix problems.
In that sense, this President, everyday, firms up his legacy as the worst Commander-in-Chief this nation has ever seen.
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Trolls say….
“Well it is war!”
“Clinton’s Fault”
“There’s no underlying crime here!”
July 27th, 2007 at 6:04 pmIt’s obvious that there is no legitimate national security reason why the president would have to hide the facts around Tillman’s death.
The only logical conclusion is that Dumbya is invoking “executive privilege” to avoid humiliating himself further.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:04 pm“Who gives their child to country who doesn’t honor their sacrifice?”
Powerful stuff!!
July 27th, 2007 at 6:05 pm… thank you, jon soltz…
July 27th, 2007 at 6:05 pmSuggesting that someone might start rumors like “Was the man the White House used to promote the war ordered to be killed because he was becoming increasingly critical of the war in Iraq?†is tantamount to starting that rumor and IMO just as misleading as something you might see on DRUDGE! We need to do better than that! This sort of sleaze is beneath the high standards I’ve come to expect from Think Progress.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:07 pmPat Tillman was murdered by a sharpshooter. The proof is in the doctors report. Pat Tillman was an out spoken person who thought he was doing the right thing and listening to the President. Like all of our honest soldiers who found out they were lied to by not only the President but their State representatives. McCain is also covering up for the White House. He knows Pat was murdered but didn’t say a word. This murder could also be pre-medicated murder as the upper rating officers played their part. Many more of our soldiers have been killed by US soldiers and those investigations will not take place because it will name names. We thought our enemy was Al Qaeda we now know the real enemy is the White House and their supporters. McCain should be charged with the cover up and the soldier who killed Pat should be charged with murder. Bush/Cheney/Rummy will give themselves executive privilege so not to take responsibility for their part.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:08 pmI hope Congress will keep the pressure on til we get the whole truth. The coverup smells.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:08 pmIt is obvious that the administration owes the Tillman’s a very public apology for the way they have handled this thing. This is a disgrace.
Tillman Family… Thank you for your sacrifice. I’m sorry that we don’t have the proper leaders in control of our country so that you would not have to go through this continued pain. We can never re-pay your debt, but many of us are trying to make it right. While no one would blame you if you did, please don’t give up on your countrymen. We are trying to fix this thing, and slowly, with your help, we will.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:09 pmExecutive privilege? In a battle field case? Just what the hell is this?
July 27th, 2007 at 6:10 pm“I don’t personally believe such a conspiracy to be the case”
July 27th, 2007 at 6:10 pm——————-
Good, neither do I.
“Why can’t the man who sent Pat Tillman to war, and used his death for political gain, have the courage to tell a family what happened to their son?”
The main reason is because it was not a “man” who sent Mr. Tillman to an illegal war. It was a self-centered egotistical sociopath that cares nothing for anyone or anything except himself. He does not have the human capability nor capacity to show remorse, sympathy, or concern for anyone or anything except himself and his desires.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:11 pmNobody died when Clinton lied
July 27th, 2007 at 6:12 pmI also think that Clinton’s lie didn’t screw with the hearts of families who’ve lost loved once. This issue is as cut and dry as health care, and they’re going to lose all these battles.
Another horrid event so obvious a cover up….
July 27th, 2007 at 6:15 pmThe Bush ad has been nothing but LIES, cover ups,… one wonders are we really ever going to get to the bottom of all the filth, scum….
The events about 9/11, too, are becoming a growing concern to the masses. Could the masses handle that truth?
Anyone and everyone involved in the cover up of this murder should be held accountable for treason.
Why is Bush claiming Executive Privilege? Does he have Tillman’s blood on his hands?
This goes so far beyond Republican vs Democrat, beyond left or right. This is a clear matter of wrongdoing. It will be interesting to see the trolls who defend this administartion on every issue, defend this cover-up.
If Bush knew about it, if Karl knew about it, if Cheney knew about it, they should all have three little matching holes.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:15 pm“Why can’t the man who sent Pat Tillman to war, and used his death for political gain, have the courage to tell a family what happened to their son?”
Because George W. Bush is a complete and utter coward.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:16 pmIf the bush administration has nothing to hide then why are they hiding?
July 27th, 2007 at 6:16 pmI wonder if Pelosi would move to impeach if it was discovered that the WH ordered the assassination of Pat Tillman to keep their public relations hero for arguing against the Iraq war.
I wonder if this is what happened. I think surely not, but can not rule it out.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:16 pmIMPEACH This USER of OUR troops to secure HIS oil.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:17 pmThis is a shame. This exposes the abject cowardice of the Bushistas and their “support the troops” mantras.
They only care about the US troops as agents of utility for their foreign policy agenda.
Nothing more.
-GSD
July 27th, 2007 at 6:17 pmIt wasn’t too long ago when conservatives around here were saying, “hey, if you’ve done nothing wrong, you’ve got no reason to worry. Why the concerns about secrecy?”
Conservatives: if the Bush administration has done nothing wrong regarding the Tillman case, why the secrecy?
July 27th, 2007 at 6:19 pm“Ret. Col. Jack Ripper”
Aka Dr. Larry Korb?
July 27th, 2007 at 6:20 pmMr. P shows up to defend his God
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Comment by nanlichi — July 27, 2007 @ 6:18 pm
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How did you come to the conclusion that Jon Soltz is my “God”?
I agree with him, I don’t worship him.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:22 pmWhat’s Up, The Eck?!?!
July 27th, 2007 at 6:22 pmIf there’s a dead soldier’s grave around, you can bet Mr. Pee will be dancing on it.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:23 pmBUSH COME CLEAN????????????????????????????????????????????
July 27th, 2007 at 6:23 pmMOAHAAAHAAHAAHMOAHAHAHAMOAHAAAAHAAHAAAAHAAMOAMOAHAAA
ACTUALLY, I AM CRYING!!!!!!
If one can’t hate Bushites after this…
…truly ypu have no mind or soul…
July 27th, 2007 at 6:24 pmGood, neither do I.
Comment by Mr. President — July 27, 2007
But then, NO ONE here cares what you think.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:24 pmAka Dr. Larry Korb?
Comment by The Eck — ?
July 27th, 2007 at 6:24 pmGoTFreeDUMB? Mr Eck?????LOSE IT!
Hello Mr. President.
I salute you sir.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:25 pmWhat’s Up, The Eck?!?!
Comment by Mr. President —
July 27th, 2007 at 6:25 pmTALKING TO YOURSELF AGAIN?
Thanks, The Eck!
(say, you’re not me are you?)
July 27th, 2007 at 6:28 pmThree American bullets in Pat Tillman’s forehead.
It’s as simple as that.
Keep claiming “executive privilege,” Chimperor, no one will catch on……
July 27th, 2007 at 6:28 pmThis sort of sleaze is beneath the high standards I’ve come to expect from Think Progress.
Comment by Rob Carpenter — July 27, 2007 @ 6:07 pm
I just couldn’t disagree more strongly, Rob. Stoltz is not starting the rumor. All the ingredients are there. A major coverup, that Tillman was killed by his own mates, has already been exposed. The friendly fire “accident” version is very suspicious, and for Bush to invoke executive privilege smacks more than a little of further coverup. That Tillman was used to sell the war, then turned against the war, proved to be plenty embarrassing to the administration. Their own hero called their war illegal. Nothing frightens these cowards more than the threat of exposure for their war crimes. It all begs the question why.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:29 pmBig papa, nice to read you, sir.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:29 pmStoltz is not starting the rumor.
Comment by VerbalKint — July 27, 2007 @ 6:29 pm
I’ll agree with that. This “rumor” has already made the rounds here and elsewhere.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:32 pmPat Tillman was incredibly visible, well-known, respected and admired. He was becoming increasingly critical and disillusioned with this war. He had made arrangements to meet with Noam Chomsky when he came home. It was an election year. This looks REALLY bad.
I am so sorry for the family and friends. He did not deserve what happened to him.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:34 pmSo…the govt really cares about its people, right?
And we are the conspiracy theorists.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:34 pmRove ordered the murder.
Rove directed the spin.
Rove ran the coverup.
Prove me wrong.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:34 pmConservative constitutional lawyer Bruce Fein has said that George Bush ran for president not because of a quest for power - he’s given all his away to Dick Cheney - or out of an ideological passion - his ideology evolves according to whatever needs to be said to protect the president.
He ran for president because he was bored. He had nothing better to do.
That seems pretty much the way he’s responding to the controversy about the death of Pat Tillman, which wouldn’t be one but for GW’s intransigence. He just can’t be bothered to find out, and unusual for him, doesn’t want anybody else to do what he’s supposed to do.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:34 pmCongressman Mike Honda who is the Tillman’s family’s congressman has been leading on the charge for the truth. I hope Mary Tillman gets an a truthful answer some day. She deserves the truth and so does the country.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:35 pmThis country is made of of mostly good, hard working, honorable people. Its just that there is a small group of insane misguided people with a stranglehold on power that are perverting what this country stands for and ruining it for the rest of us. They don’t represent America. Frankly, I am not sure who or WHAT they represent.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:37 pmSean Hannity has been yammering on and on about whether of not Vince Foster was actually murdered by the Clintons. They’ve been so concerned with Vince Foster, they’ve been arguing about him for 15 years now. Getting to the bottom of the facts surrounding Vince Foster’s death is very, very important.
Pat Tillman? Not so much.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:37 pmStoltz did not describe a rumor in which Bush ordered Tillman killed. He described a rumor in which someone ordered Tillman killed. It might be rumor that Tillman’s CO ordered it, for example, or anyone up the chain of command, or possibly even CIA or NSA agents. Such a theory is far from outlandish.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:38 pmIndividually maybe one can say, well it looks bad, but…
But taken in whole, with denied subpoenas, The 911 Commission Report, No Bid Contracts, new “Treat as Classified” system of classifications, destroyed evidence from 911, destroyed video tapes from 911, missing black boxes from all 4 planes, missing passenger logs fron flights, panted evidence, fabricated evidence of “Yellow Cake”, the “white paper” that never showed up, shadowy “put options” that the CIA director’s ex company just happen to buy, stalling criminal inestigations with “Executive Privilege” claims, and it all starts to add up to one massive sh_t storm!
July 27th, 2007 at 6:40 pmOT:
Glenn Greenwald looks into Joe Lieberman’s unholy relationship with evangelical Minister John Hagee.
Now who’s the lunatic fringe?
July 27th, 2007 at 6:41 pmSean Hannity has been yammering on and on about whether of not Vince Foster was actually murdered by the Clintons. They’ve been so concerned with Vince Foster, they’ve been arguing about him for 15 years now.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — July 27, 2007
You have to wonder… does Hannity ever look at himself in the mirror, pause for a second, and ask himself… “Dear god, how did I ever turn into such a loathesome piece of crud?”
July 27th, 2007 at 6:42 pmJG: “Its just that there is a small group of insane misguided people with a stranglehold on power that are perverting what this country stands for and ruining it for the rest of us.”
Yes, they’re modern neocons, what Leo Strauss would call “special gentlemen,” and, as Ace points out, their political philosophy rests on lying to the masses about their real goals.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:44 pmThis country is made of of mostly good, hard working, honorable people.
Comment by JG #46
…History might have a rebuttal or two…
…to dispute this statement…
…especially…
…the history of…
…the last two Presidential selections…
…”mostly good, hard working, honorable people”…
…would’ve revolted!
July 27th, 2007 at 6:45 pm“Ret. Col. Jack Ripper”
You’re a member of the TP staff, right?
Just a yes or a no.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:46 pm(Plato’s “philosopher-kings†are, by definition, men - ace
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False.
See: The Republic, Book V, 454b-456b
July 27th, 2007 at 6:46 pmRove ordered the murder.
Rove directed the spin.
Rove ran the coverup.
Prove me wrong.
Comment by ace — July 27, 2007 @ 6:34 pm
Ace, I appreciate that you post here and would not want you to stop doing so. Also, I am very disturbed by these recent revelations about Pat Tillman.
But this doesn’t seem to me to be a very good way to approach this subject.
It’s like me claiming that God is a bowl of spaghetti, and then insisting you prove me wrong.
You can do better.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:47 pmThis is why the people more and more frequently are mistrusting Bush & Cheney. Why all the secrecy over things they don’t need to keep secret. This administration has hidden more, classified more, and just plain said less then any in recent history. No wonder the American public is unhappy with them.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:47 pm““The Dow lost more than 585 points, or 4.2%â€
It’s a great buying opportunity.
Comment by The Captain “
I thought the same thing at the beginning of the stock market crash the last time. I’m $200,000 poorer today because of thinking like that.
Comment by bilbobaggins
Bill, that’s because you panicked and sold your stock. If you would have held to today, you would be $600k ahead.
If you would have bought Wal Mart in the mid 80’s, it would probably have split about 9 times now.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:50 pmI’m really lost on this executive priviledge claim in this case. It amounts to a middle finger in the face of Mary Tillman. Hasn’t anyone in Congress questioned this ridiculous claim?
July 27th, 2007 at 6:51 pm#6 Sharpshooter would be a single head shot. The report said 3 rounds close together. Very different.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:51 pmno, I am NOT “Ret. Col. Jack Ripperâ€
July 27th, 2007 at 6:51 pmI Had Capt Stripes.
The NeoCons are the instument; like the SS or the Phyops division.
The problem is the same as it has been since The Gulf of Tonkin and the USS Liberty and Prescott Bush and Standard Oil.
Check out Bolivia and what the World Bank did to those people with Bechtel and Verizon. This story is why Hugo wanted our “freedom” out of his country.
The neoCons aren’t the World Bank, they work for the World Bank and those super rich mega corporations. They used neoCons to devise a way to drive this country into a one world ecconomy.
Go after the NeoCons and go after the global banking systems.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:51 pmI have been reading posts here for the past couple weeks, and some of the comments are just too “advanced” to be regular posters. They have to be staffers of TP coming in here posting.
Thoughts?
July 27th, 2007 at 6:51 pm#6 Sharpshooter would be a single head shot. The report said 3 rounds close together. Very different.
Comment by Toss these losers
3 shots makes me think of a m-16 on burst. does the m-16 have burst fire setting?
July 27th, 2007 at 6:52 pmThoughts?
Comment by The Eck — July 27, 2007 @ 6:51 pm
July 27th, 2007 at 6:53 pm—————
Do you mean… too much truth?
Comment by Lee J. Cobb — July 27, 2007 @ 6:40 pm
Isn’t it maddening how our elected officials haven’t connected the dots even after all you have mentioned?
Is anyone listening in Washington?
Are the American people so out of touch?
July 27th, 2007 at 6:54 pmA question for the trolls here, if you are man enough to answer it. I won’t hold my breath:
The question is, you seem to think that Bush has done nothing wrong. If that’s the case, then why is he hiding behind Executive Privilege? Why would he invoke Executive Privilege in the Pat Tillman case.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:54 pmI have been reading posts here for the past couple weeks, and some of the comments are just too “advanced†to be regular posters. They have to be staffers of TP coming in here posting.
Thoughts?
Comment by The Eck
Intimidated by the fact that some here can actually “read’ and “think”?
July 27th, 2007 at 6:54 pmI suspect “Ret. Col. Jack Ripper” is Faiz, Amanda, or one of the other TP staffers, for example.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:54 pmI believe the M-16 has 3 settings Full Auto, 3 round burst, and single shot.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:54 pmM-16 Doesnt, M-16A2 DOES.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:54 pmA Burst of Three SHots.
The question is, you seem to think that Bush has done nothing wrong. If that’s the case, then why is he hiding behind Executive Privilege? Why would he invoke Executive Privilege in the Pat Tillman case.
Comment by bilbobaggins — July 27, 2007 @ 6:54 pm
July 27th, 2007 at 6:55 pm———–
i dunno
Ummm.. the link to the president invoking executive privilege links back to this story. Just sayin> Hello?
July 27th, 2007 at 6:55 pmJust one thing to say. It’s time for the Republican Party to experience electoral euthanasia.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:55 pmI suspect “Ret. Col. Jack Ripper†is Faiz, Amanda, or one of the other TP staffers, for example.
Comment by The Eck — July 27, 2007 @ 6:54 pm
Does it matter?
July 27th, 2007 at 6:56 pmEck, no, I have nothing to do with the staff at TP, but thanks, I’m honored that you thought I might be. That’s very kind of you.
Captain, I’m not as optimistic about the market, because of one major issue: world market liquidity. Two of the largest buyout deals in history went bust this week because institutional investors couldn’t secure the credit. That’s what sent the market into a tailspin yesterday and, on rumor, the day before. Today and yesterday, the market dropped precipitously at the very end of the trading period. That almost always means large insitutional investors were trying to unload holdings quietly withnout creating a panic. The last time world markets suffered from this kind of a lack of liquidity was 1929.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:57 pmThe older version M 16 Has Semi Automatic. Meaning one shot at a time.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:57 pmThe Newer version M16A2 Has Burst, Meaning Three Shots at a Time.
i dunno
Comment by Mr. President — July 27, 2007 @ 6:55 pm
and i dun’t care.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:57 pmRanger Pat Tillman Was Murdered, But Who Ordered His Execution?
Friday 27th of July 2007
by Jay Randal
Newly released autopsy documents on Pat Tillman reveal that he was shot 3 times in the forehead, at close range, by an M-16 American issued military weapon.
According to the autopsy Tillman was professionally executed, by a skilled assassin, so a new investigation of the crime is mandated and the killer(s) found out.
All the soldiers who were present at the incident must be interrogated, by FBI agents not military police, so they are persuaded to reveal identity of the assassin(s).
Once the perpetrator(s) is/are revealed, then it must be found out if any conspiracy to assassinate Tillman took place, so was the Pentagon involved or higher up.
The Congress must not allow this crime to be covered up, nor for the investigation to be done in secrecy, nor for the White House to refuse to fully cooperate either.
Whoever are involved must be tried for Pat Tillman’s murder!
(Jay Randal, political activist and writer in Georgia, USA.)
July 27th, 2007 at 6:58 pm“It’s time for the Republican Party to experience electoral euthanasia.”
If the election were held today, Hillary would probably win. But it’s not and a lot of things can and will change.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:58 pmThe NeoCons are an amalgamation of Straussian Philosophy, and yes, they do think the “noble lie” is key to keeping control of the masses.
But Rove is just a tool of those he serves. he is not smart enough for this plan, nor has he been around long enough.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:58 pmThere atre only two settings on the old m16
July 27th, 2007 at 6:59 pmthree on the new m16a2s i think.
If the election were held today, Hillary would probably win. But it’s not and a lot of things can and will change.
Comment by The Eck — July 27, 2007 @ 6:58 pm
As an “I’ll hold my nose and vote for her” individual, I hope you’re right.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:00 pmRanger Pat Tillman Was Murdered, But Who Ordered His Execution?
There’s a difference between “murder” and a contracted/ordered hit.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:00 pmComment by Juan C #36
Hey Juan c,
…I knew you’d be carrying the banner…
…whilst I was on hiatus…
…our work is never done though…
July 27th, 2007 at 7:01 pmIs anyone listening in Washington?
Are the American people so out of touch?
Comment by trueblue
Well, if we hadn’t been distracted by Gonzo-gate, Kucinich is pressing for a full Independant investigation into these matters and the buildup to the Invasion of Iraq.
check out his sight.
but aside from him, everyone else is hiding for fear of being labled “radical leftists”
July 27th, 2007 at 7:01 pmThe neoCons aren’t the World Bank, they work for the World Bank and those super rich mega corporations. They used neoCons to devise a way to drive this country into a one world ecconomy.
Go after the NeoCons and go after the global banking systems.
Comment by Lee J. Cobb — July 27, 2007 @ 6:51 pm
Good point! Some of the more fringe “New World Order” people try to tie everything to “The Illuminati”. People like David Icke and Alex Jones say the 60s, The Beatles, the ACLU, environmentalists, gays, Woman’s Libbers, Al Gore, Satan, the Pope, Democrats, Owls, Vegetarians, and your mother are all members. Personally, I think “Globalization” is the key. Making a one world economy. The rich and the poor, and wipe out the middle class. All of this other claptrap is nonsense, and it makes serious fields of study like the police state and 9/11 anomalies, to be throw in the crackpot conspiracy bin, even though I have serious doubts about the official conspiracy theory about 9/11
Here’s a good one for you
http://www.jonesreport.com/ articles/ 260707_colbert_depopulation.html
July 27th, 2007 at 7:01 pmBut, back to Tillman. Medical evidence clearly suggests that he was executed at close range (within 10 yards) with an American weapon. This is beyond outrageous and we need to insist on an investigation. Tillman was an outspoken liberal. His favorite author was Noam Chomsky for crissakes. I want to know if some right-wing zealot in special forces fragged him! And, if that happened, I want to know if it happened on orders. And if it did, I want to know who gave the orders… AND SO ON!
July 27th, 2007 at 7:01 pmI’m going to have sex with my wife tonight.
Comment by Jim — July 27, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
Me too. Your wife’s great!
July 27th, 2007 at 7:02 pmThanks for the update, I am have not served in the Military, but know plenty of people who have, and a 3 round burst if I remember correctly is pretty common on an assault rifle.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:03 pmI’m going to have sex with my wife tonight.
Comment by Jim — July 27, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
Live Stream?
Tillman was murdered/contracted. I knew this when it happened, and this is just another nail in the Bushista coffin. These frightening revalations come out twice……no three times a day now, and I wonder what one year from now will look like?
July 27th, 2007 at 7:04 pmJack Ripper, i had heard his uniform was burned and that he was redressed.
Is this an accurate portrayal of the story-line, and if so it certainly would point to someone trying to ditch evidence of close range powder burns on his clothing.
have you heard the same thing?
July 27th, 2007 at 7:04 pmYou wish, Egreggious. :D
July 27th, 2007 at 7:05 pmI’m going to have sex with my wife tonight.
Comment by Jim
wait your turn
July 27th, 2007 at 7:06 pmSome questions have been answered as to why the White House is protecting the murder information about Pat Tillman. Pat was famous and other soldiers listen to him. Pat’s mistake was he spoke out about how wrong Bush was. That’s why this cover up goes all the way to the top. In the tight election the Bush team didn’t need any trouble and Pat was his own man. Now it makes since why McCain, Military and White House used the information as classified. Pat Tillman was ordered to be murdered by those at the top of the Government. The idiots they are came up with a lam excuse of Pat’s death in combat fire. As the leaks came the story changed and the order of no investigation. The proof is with the doctors report. Now we know why all we need to know is who gave the order and what soldier shot him.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:06 pmThere’s no business like SHOWBUSINESS. Pat Tillman, ( And Jessica Lynch) Were unwilling actors in a propaganda narrative to boost Bush’s war efforts. Needless to say, Tillman’s criticism of the Iraq war, and his unfortunate and tragic death by friendly fire did not fit the storyline. Bush and his underlings obviously tried to cover this up…that’s what he is trying to protect with “Executive Privilige”
July 27th, 2007 at 7:07 pmMe too. Your wife’s great!
Comment by Egreggious
OMG You Did Not Just Say That?!!
I’m torn between laughing my butt right off this seat or admonishing you.
OK. I’ll take the former.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:07 pmBWaaaaaaaaaHAHAHAHAHaaaaaa!
You’re not invited, Lee (Willy Loman).
July 27th, 2007 at 7:08 pmExecutive privilege is not to be used to cover up homicide.
It is disgraceful to the office of the President and disrespectful to the soldier who was killed.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:09 pmIt’s OK, trueblue. It was funny. But I’m going to enjoy my wife of 10 years tonight!
July 27th, 2007 at 7:09 pmI’m going to have sex with my wife tonight.
Comment by Jim
Won’t you have to inflate her first?
July 27th, 2007 at 7:10 pmComment by Jim
I’ve been outed. I feel so dirty.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:10 pmMy wife is not the blowup kind, like yours is, TROS. :D
July 27th, 2007 at 7:10 pmI fail to see how the case is made for executive privilage in this tragic case.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:11 pmEvery time W wants to cover his ass, he invokes executive privilege. He’s a supposed adult playing the kids game of tag and he’s always “on gool.”
I’m going to have sex with my wife tonight.
Comment by Jim — July 27, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
Me too. Your wife’s great!
Comment by Egreggious
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha…
…(tears)…
…hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
..best laugh of the year…
…so far…
…Jim…
…I’d say there’s a lesson to be learned here somewhere…
…unfortunately at your expense…
…hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
July 27th, 2007 at 7:11 pmThere’s a difference between “murder†and a contracted/ordered hit.
Comment by Mr. President
Whilst all murders are not “hits”, all hits are murders.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:11 pmMy wife is not the blowup kind, like yours is, TROS. :D
Comment by Jim
Nice. the CO2 self inflating model? nice
July 27th, 2007 at 7:12 pmTillman’s criticism of the Iraq war, and his unfortunate and tragic death by friendly fire did not fit the storyline. Bush and his underlings obviously tried to cover this up…that’s what he is trying to protect with “Executive Priviligeâ€
You may be right. But these bullets at close range, the unwillingness of those at the scene to talk, and the burning of Tillman’s effects (including, I have heard, a diary), raise questions it would be nice to have answered.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:12 pmAssociated Press reports that the new documents released show (among other things) -
– In his last words moments before he was killed, Tillman snapped at a panicky comrade under fire to shut up and stop “sniveling.”
Problem with this is, Tillman was known by almost unanimous approval of his unit to be well liked.
Also: The young SP4 who was with Tillman when he died changed his story between seeing a Chaplain right after the incident, and testimony he gave at a later time. The Chaplain’s report says the SP4 told him that Tillman had reacted to his “God help us!” kinda funk with a realistic “God ain’t gonna help you, stop sniveling and help yourself!” response right before he got it. The later testimony has Tillman waving his hands in the air and calling out that he was a friendly… no mention of snivels.
The wild disparity between the two stories is a gigantic red flag, esp. when combined with the 3 round burst to the forehead at 10 yards bit. By all accounts the only person in a position to be that close to Tillman was that same SP4…..
July 27th, 2007 at 7:12 pmMy wife is not the blowup kind, like yours is, TROS. :D
Comment by Jim
Oh, completely imaginary then, like all of Mr P’s “friends”…
July 27th, 2007 at 7:12 pmI already admited it was funny, Big Papa. What more do you want?
July 27th, 2007 at 7:13 pm…â€mostly good, hard working, honorable peopleâ€â€¦
…would’ve revolted!
Comment by big papa — July 27, 2007 @ 6:45 pm
I sort of agree with you, but I am trying to be realistic (that doesn’t mean others aren’t being realistic). ‘Good, hard working, well-meaning people’ want to believe that people wouldn’t lie to them. They want to trust people, even if they don’t agree with everything they say or do, and believe that basically they have the good of the country at heart and would never LIE to them. I know this because my husband is a good man, very idealistic, intellectual and broadminded. He is a Democrat and a liberal. He tries to give everyone the benefit of the doubt until they prove otherwise. He may not agree with everybody’s ideas or beliefs, but he thinks basically all people are good. He has been taken advantage of a couple of times and hurt in business because of his trusting of people who didn’t deserve it.
I personally go by gut instinct and when I get a bad feeling about someone I will distrust them until they prove otherwise. My gut feelings are usually right.
As far as our leaders, people in this country just want to believe their leaders are trustworthy and would never do anything to hurt this country or Americans in general. Definitely you would hope that a President would NEVER send young men and women into battle without being damn sure that it was necessary. Surely a President would never LIE to his country!?
I think that in 2004 people were starting to wake up and realize they had been lied to. I don’t think Kerry lost that election in 2004. I don’t believe Gore lost the previous election either. I believe the 2004 election was clearly stolen through careful planning, manipulation, dirty tricks, voter caging, voter intimidation, etc, etc,..
http://www.rollingstone.com/ news/ story/ 10432334/ was_the_2004_election_stolen
http://www.buzzflash.com/ contributors/ 06/ 06/ con06219.html
I think a whole lot of people have woken up now. People are angry. I believe that the stolen elections are what is really behind all of Bush’s claiming Executive Privilege, behind all the attorneys being fired, behind all the ‘deleted’ or missing emails, documents, records, etc.. If Congress will just stick to their guns and take this to the finish they will have a chance at finding the truth. If we can expose this and hold these guys to account, then perhaps we can take steps to ensure this can’t happen again. Sure, they have done a LOT of very bad things, but I think this is a big one. It is a CRIME.
As far as Gore, I could never understand why if Bush thought he had won fair and square, then why couldn’t all the votes be counted? Why was that threatening? And how can ANY election in this country count for anything if every American who voted doesn’t have his vote counted? This stops being a democracy. I guess that would be the point.. Is this still a democracy?
I am very uncomfortable with the fact that people have not become more demanding about uniform, verifiable method of voting before this next very important election arrives. We have to take steps NOW to ensure these same people don’t prevent this country from having FAIR and ABOVE-BOARD elections.
OK, stepping off my soap box..
July 27th, 2007 at 7:13 pmLee Cobb: “have you heard the same thing?”
Yes, they actually reported that in some of the news releases regarding his death but it was never really discussed in the media. Very strange to burn his uniform at the site. The whold thing just stinks to high heaven. That conservatives are trying not to notice should tell us volumes about their character.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:13 pmComment by Marie #105
…ALL of these Bushite theatrics…
…are aimed at…
…running out the clock on his administration…
…WE CANNOT LET THEM OFF THE HOOK…
…EVER!
July 27th, 2007 at 7:14 pmYour right hand is not imaginary, TROS.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:14 pmLee (Willy Loman) I see you have experience using the CO2 model.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:15 pm3 years and Tillman’s family is still waiting for the truth….
July 27th, 2007 at 7:15 pmI hope they get the answer they have been waiting for as soon as possible.
Comment by JG #113
…one simply MUST…
…pay attention to…
…History…
July 27th, 2007 at 7:16 pmMr. President > murder is murder, whether done by a nut or a contracted killer. Whoever shot Pat Tillman must be found out and prosecuted for the crime. During the trial the killer can try to claim it was accidental, but the evidence shows otherwise. Was Tillman fragged or contracted to be iced? An investigation has to be done to find out.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:16 pm…hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
Comment by big papa
Careful, big papa, you can hurt yourself REAl bad laughing at the trolls. I did about 2 weeks ago, and I’m still sore.
(I think it was Mr P’s now famous “Saudis aren’t Moslems” comment…
Snicker… snicker - ouch -snicker - ouch… BWAHA-ouch-HA-ouch-HA-ouch… damn, and just when I was gittin’ better… HA-ouch-HA-ouch…)
July 27th, 2007 at 7:16 pmbig papa: “…WE CANNOT LET THEM OFF THE HOOK…
…EVER!”
There’s actually no running out the clock on this one. This one could be an actionable legal issue years after these guys leave office.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:17 pmComment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — July 27, 2007 @ 7:13 pm
That would lead me to believe that it was someone who didn’t like his politics.
but i have also heard, that there is alot of strange stuff going on over there with our soldiers. They are in a bad situation and alot of them are coming to the conclusion that they are there for bad reasons.
Maybe Tillman saw something that was conducted by fellow soldiers and they thought he couldn’t be bought or scared into silence.
Maybe it had to do with the drug lords that the administration lets run certain areas. Who knows. But if they shot him at close range and then burned the clothing to hide the gunpowder residue, it should be investigated.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:17 pmLee (Willy Loman) I see you have experience using the CO2 model.
Comment by Jim
I got no time for pumps! Click, squeeze, ahhhhhhhh. then back to the cheese puffs.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:18 pmOne has to wonder why the president is willing to endanger the ability to recruit new soldiers over this single death?
Why is this so important to invoke executive privilege? Americans understand friendly fire, they understand mistakes happen, they forgive and let live, (how do you think you got elected again W?) however Americans don’t like to be lied and misled to time and time again.
Why are you hiding information on this President Bush? Why?
July 27th, 2007 at 7:20 pmThis one could be an actionable legal issue years after these guys leave office.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper
Correct, Col. I don’t think there is a statue of limitations on murder.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:20 pmHey, I FINALLY got namejacked!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 27, 2007 @ 7:19 pm
You actually got namejacked a couple of days ago. But I slammed them for you.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:21 pm..best laugh of the year… - big papa
—————–
Wow. You Lefties really are a dreary bunch!
July 27th, 2007 at 7:22 pmYes you did. How them apples?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
I think it’s hilarious. I’m kinda suspecting Mr P. He’s such a wienie that it’s the only way he can fight back, at this point.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:22 pm…one simply MUST…
…pay attention to…
…History…
Comment by big papa — July 27, 2007 @ 7:16 pm
So why do we keep repeatings the same stuff throughout history over and over again?? (Shaking my head while I ask that). Why do we let it keep happening? Do we think “they wouldn’t do that again would they??”
July 27th, 2007 at 7:22 pmSometimes I think it is easiet to lie and mislead people if you make the lie REALLY huge and outrageous, because then they would think nobody would every do something like that.. I think that is what is happening here. They have lied REALLY BIG! People can’t open their minds to the possibility..
I have been reading posts here for the past couple weeks, and some of the comments are just too “advanced†to be regular posters. They have to be staffers of TP coming in here posting.
Thoughts?
Comment by The Eck — July 27, 2007 @ 6:51 pm
“Advanced?” I think this is a first - a troll actually admitting his ignorance in the light of a factual discussion!!!!
July 27th, 2007 at 7:22 pmYou actually got namejacked a couple of days ago. But I slammed them for you.
Comment by Egreggious
Really??? I missed taht one. Uh… what did “I” say?
July 27th, 2007 at 7:23 pmThere’s actually no running out the clock on this one. This one could be an actionable legal issue years after these guys leave office.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper #122
…but will there be the political will?
…To be certain the pain…
…(when the bill for Iraq/Cheney and Halliburton comes due)…
…is imminent…
…but will the people in their zeal to, “Let’s just move on” (from this nightmare)…
…have the stomach to go after the Bushite TRAITORS…
…who are (at least subliminally)…
… many of these peoples’ “champions”…
July 27th, 2007 at 7:24 pmTROS has his eye on you big guy. :D
Comment by Jimbo
This really does not sound like a Jimbo comment either.
How many personalities do you have, Mr P?
July 27th, 2007 at 7:24 pmThe Pentagon has not explained WHO decided to strip Tillman’s clothing off his dead body and burned it? From the moment Pat was shot dead a cover up began and the Pentagon has taken part in it. If Pat was fragged by another soldier, over some personal issue, then the Pentagon should have prosecuted the soldier and hanged him.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:25 pmBut I slammed them for you.
Comment by Egreggious — July 27, 2007
Thank you, BTW…
July 27th, 2007 at 7:26 pmRove ordered the murder.
Rove directed the spin.
Rove ran the coverup.
Prove me wrong.
Comment by ace — July 27, 2007 @ 6:34 pm
Ace, I appreciate that you post here and would not want you to stop doing so. Also, I am very disturbed by these recent revelations about Pat Tillman.
But this doesn’t seem to me to be a very good way to approach this subject.
It’s like me claiming that God is a bowl of spaghetti, and then insisting you prove me wrong.
You can do better.
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Any thread that mentions BushCo., Halliburton or Jews ace is gonna sniff out.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:27 pmApparently you suddenly came to the realization that you were gay.
Comment by Egreggious
Damn… Mr P is his own “One-man clusterf*ck” today.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:27 pmIf Pat TIllman had been killed by another soldier over something personal, the military wouldn’t have burned his clothing and all her personal items. Why the need to burn his diary? That was the point I realized this was about something else.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:27 pmThis is really where I was afraid these broad claims of executive priviledge could lead. We’re talking about possible murder here, and this administration is abusing the priviledge now beyond anything we’ve seen before, making itself complicit in what could be a horrible crime, co-conspirators in the cover up of a murder. I don’t think that’s what executive priviledge was meant to be.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:27 pmAny thread that mentions BushCo., Halliburton or Jews ace is gonna sniff out.
Comment by Flaco — July 27, 2007
WARNING! WARNING!
Do NOT reply to this troll AT ALL!!!!
July 27th, 2007 at 7:28 pmLet me repeat TP talkin’ points:
Oil
July 27th, 2007 at 7:28 pmBushCo.
Jews
Halliburton
TROS is not gay. He’s bi. :D
July 27th, 2007 at 7:29 pmDamn… Mr P is his own “One-man clusterf*ck†today.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 27, 2007 @ 7:27 pm
He’s used to playing all of the roles in, er, social intercourse.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:30 pm“Why can’t the man who sent Pat Tillman to war, and used his death for political gain, have the courage to tell a family what happened to their son?â€
The main reason is because it was not a “man†who sent Mr. Tillman to an illegal war. It was a self-centered egotistical sociopath that cares nothing for anyone or anything except himself. He does not have the human capability nor capacity to show remorse, sympathy, or concern for anyone or anything except himself and his desires.
—
July 27th, 2007 at 7:31 pmThere is no way I can anyhting to this post - but it’s worth posting again.
Lee, I think you make a very good point about the system of deception surrounding us.
People still think that Bush, ROve and the front faces are in charge of these disastrous govt actions. IN fact, they are just the enablers, the real owners of the system just make phone calls from their high offices and sunny beaches.
These national extremists are not guided by Bush or Cheney, in any way.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:31 pm“There is no way I can anyhting to this post”
Did you type this too fast or something?
July 27th, 2007 at 7:32 pmI hear you, Big Papa, but I don’t think anyone could possible move on from this one. This is a balls out execution and the more people hear about it the more people are going to be angry. This one will build, not fade away.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:32 pmtroqua > now that autopsy material on Tillman proves he most likely was murdered, the White House can NO longer claim executive privilege. Bush cannot use that to cover up a murder.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:33 pmSo why do we keep repeatings the same stuff throughout history over and over again??
Comment by JG #136
…CHANGE…
…my dear JG…
…even for the better…
…is perhaps the most difficult transformation to digest/accept…
…serious personal introspection (and historical analysis) bears this out I’m sure…
…”staying the course”…
…especially that of privilege (pleasure)…
…even if it portends one’s eventual destruction…
…is easier to embrace in the short term…
…than concerning onesself with long term consequences…
July 27th, 2007 at 7:34 pmI believe the M16A1 had single shot or full auto settings; the A2’s normal infantry settings are single shot or three-shot bursts. Tillman’s Rangers worked with Special Forces and may have had variants that have full auto settings.
A three-round burst into the forehead - about a 4″ radius target - at less than 30 feet seems odd unless Tillman were on the ground and incapacitated. Those rounds leave the muzzle at about 2800 feet/sec; at thirty feet or closer, a .223 caliber rifle round packs quite a wallop. If he were alert and moving, he would have moved or fallen, or the impact would have changed his head’s position before the third round hit it. Odd, too, that the rounds hit him and not his helmet.
So the story is materially incomplete or Tillman was flat out when the rounds were fired, which means a coup de grace, not so-called friendly fire. A competent investigator would certainly investigate that possibility, if he or she weren’t under orders not to. Since “the Army” ordered his clothes, armor and effects destroyed - odd don’t you think, it’s usually the other way round - we may never know what happened. But once again, Bush is covering up. Not for the family’s sake, clearly; as usual, for his own.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:34 pmComment by The Republic of Stupidity ……..
People actually respond to that nimrod, Flaco?
OT:
Cheney to Get New Battery
**damned energizer bunny**
July 27th, 2007 at 7:35 pmPat’s mistake was he spoke out about how wrong Bush was.
Tillman said much, much more than that. He said that the Iraq war was illegal. He said it repeatedly, and he was going to tell it to the whole country when he returned home. Saying this is tantamount to calling the president a war criminal. This is serious stuff.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:35 pmthanks, many times.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:35 pmHey Juan c,
…I knew you’d be carrying the banner…
Comment by big papa
There are others far more capable of doing that. Thanks, anyway.
Glad to have you back.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:35 pmI agree. Egregious, Tros get a room guys.
Comment by Jimbo — July 27, 2007 @ 7:33 pm
July 27th, 2007 at 7:36 pm————–
But that will make Lee J. Cobb jealous!
Juan C is carrying the banner for the Democrat party.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:36 pmCheney to Get New Battery
**damned energizer bunny**
Comment by trueblue
You probably need a new battery for your vibrator. :D
July 27th, 2007 at 7:38 pm#50 Comment by Egreggious — July 27, 2007 @ 6:41 pm
OT:
Glenn Greenwald looks into Joe Lieberman’s unholy relationship with evangelical Minister John Hagee.
Now who’s the lunatic fringe?
Right on! Greenwald rocks! Thanks for the link, Egreggious.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:38 pmHi Juan!
It’s been quite a while. :)
Everyone,
Ignore “Jimbo”
July 27th, 2007 at 7:39 pmIt’s a hijacked name, who should be banned soon enough if we all write TP.
HeyooOOOoOOOooooooooOooooooOOoooOOoOoOo Mr President!
July 27th, 2007 at 7:39 pmIgnore “Jimboâ€
It’s a hijacked name
——
It certainly is not!
July 27th, 2007 at 7:40 pmCelebrity is a double edged sword. The same FAME that Bush used in his HERO narative will keep this COVERUP narrative in the news. Lots of folks, who don’t follow the news, know who Pat Tillman was.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:40 pmIt’s a hijacked name, who should be banned soon enough if we all write TP.
Comment by trueblue — July 27, 2007 @ 7:39 pm
No it isn’t:
Jimbo =/= jimbo DUDE
July 27th, 2007 at 7:41 pm“The same FAME that Bush used in his HERO narative will keep this COVERUP narrative in the news.”
John Kerry covered up his military records.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:42 pmFlaco, I see you noticed ace’s posts!
They are getting out of control!
July 27th, 2007 at 7:42 pmOutSourced post 165 > interesting points you make. Could Pat have been shot from just a few feet away to make sure he died? Wounds to his forehead were very accurate and could denote Pat laying down or in sitting position before he is executed. Sounds more and more like an execution.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:42 pmTrolls, the fact that you’re crapping all over a discussion on the murder of Pat Tillman with your absurd, childish posts says much more about your character then I’m sure you’d like to think.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:44 pmI just obtained this document from the White House:
July 27th, 2007 at 7:44 pmHave to go eat, but will be back.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:44 pm“Sounds more and more like an execution.”
Wishful thinking on your part.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:44 pmHi Juan!
It’s been quite a while. :)
Comment by trueblue
Hi, C!!
Yes, sort of, becuz Im checking you out at Facebook, sweetie. :D
July 27th, 2007 at 7:44 pm“the murder of Pat Tillman”
Do you have a witness?
July 27th, 2007 at 7:45 pm**blush**, Juan.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:46 pmTrolls, the fact that you’re crapping all over a discussion on the murder of Pat Tillman with your absurd, childish posts says much more about your character then I’m sure you’d like to think.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — July 27, 2007 @ 7:44 pm
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By all means, don’t let us keep you from your conspiracy theories.
Here, I’ll start it off for you:
I’m sure you can cook up something with that!!!
July 27th, 2007 at 7:46 pm“the murder of Pat Tillmanâ€
Do you have a witness?
Comment by Jimbo — July 27, 2007 @ 7:45 pm
We have a dead body riddled with bullet holes.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:47 pmThe comments in this thread are despicable. I just joined and I am a liberal Dem.
But I gotta say you guys gotta be ashamed of yourselves. You are bickering mostly about stupid BS on a topic about a man that gave up a million dollar professional athletic job to fight Al Qaeda so another 9/11 would never happen again. This man is the pinnacle of the American dream and spirit, and you break down into banal comments about what? What?!?!
The man was murdered by another US soldier. President Bush covered it up and used his death as political fodder for 4 weeks, while know he was killed by friendless, because it bolstered the right wing talking points and validated the war in Iraq!
And now we learn of all of this, and this thread is pure trash.
You make me embarrassed to be a member of the Democratic party with this sort of drivel.
You are dishonoring Pat Tillmans name and his family.
call your representative on Monday and demand and investigation,!!
NOW!
July 27th, 2007 at 7:48 pmThe key in the next few days will be television news. Will they discuss this and, if they do, will they keep the discussion going. The mainstream television media discussed purely speculative conservative suspicions about Vince Foster’s death for months. 15 years later, Sean Hannity is still going on about it.
Memo to Hannity: three tightly grouped American bullits to the forehead of a true American hero. Are you interested?
If Hannity isn’t interested, his adoring fans should wonder why.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:48 pmOh my! you mention Chomsky.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:49 pmHe is a god here at TP.