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Strained relations between Maliki and Petraeus.

A key aide to to Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki said that “relations with U.S. commander Gen. David Petraeus are so poor the Iraqi leader may ask Washington to withdraw the well-regarded U.S. military leader from duty here. The Iraqi foreign minister calls the relationship ‘difficult.’”



90 Responses to “Strained relations between Maliki and Petraeus.”

  1. Mr. President says:

    Maliki can’t be trusted!


  2. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    Maliki can’t be trusted!

    Comment by Mr. President — July 27, 2007

    And yet another thing we have in common w/ our Iraqi brothers and sisters. We can’t trust our president either.


  3. em says:

    hahahahahhahaha!


  4. Jambi says:

    “Iraqi leader may ask Washington the withdraw the U.S. military leader”

    Then he shall be gone:

    ‘Maliki liky hi–mecca hiney ho’


  5. dlet says:

    Maliki can’t be trusted!
    Comment by Mr. President

    I agree.

    Petraeus can’t be trusted!

    (Mr. P?)


  6. VerbalKint says:

    I truly wish that Mr. PeePee mouth would just shut up.


  7. pgw says:

    from october 2004:

    “MCINTYRE: There’s a big dispute, Paula, about whether the Pentagon is overstating the number of Iraqis that are truly combat ready.

    But the general who’s in charge of the training, very respected general, General Petraeus, insists that 100,000 is the right number out of 164,000 in Iraq.”

    Petraeus is an administration hack.


  8. david says:

    Hmmmm. I suspect Maliki may simply ask all the US troops to withdraw. The UN mandate expires at the end of the year.


  9. Mr. President says:

    Maliki is Mucktard al-Sadist’s little b!tch.


  10. bucketsofbloodforbucketsofoil says:

    Impeach Bush for war crimes against humanity.

    Fire Patreus.


  11. Egreggious says:

    If it wasn’t so tragic, I’d laugh my ass off!


  12. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    Maliki is Mucktard al-Sadist’s little b!tch.

    Comment by Mr. President

    But… but… Maliki was the duly elected President, correct? Or did the nascent Iraqi Supreme Court throw the election his way? (Yet ANOTHER thing we have in common!)

    I mean, isn’t Maliki proof that AMERICAN democracy is working in Iraq, making all the death and gore worhtwhile? Proves the surge is working?


  13. JG says:

    Can’t wait to see how Tony Snow is gonna spin this..


  14. bucketsofbloodforbucketsofoil says:

    Impeach Bush for war crimes against humanity and put him in jail.


  15. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    Oops, my bad… Maliki is the duly elected Prime Minister!


  16. bucketsofbloodforbucketsofoil says:

    Put Bush and Maliki in jail


  17. Zehava says:

    Can’t wait to see how Tony Snow is gonna spin this..
    Comment by JG — July 27, 2007 @ 10:31 pm

    “The General and Prime Minister are fast friends. The president completely supports them, and has invited the Prime Minister to go hunting with the VP this weekend.”


  18. bucketsofbloodforbucketsofoil says:

    Put the whores of Babylon in jail – Bush and maliki


  19. Egreggious says:

    Comment by Zehava — July 27, 2007 @ 10:34 pm

    Giggle.


  20. alp3 says:

    Maliki is Mucktard al-Sadist’s little b!tch.

    Comment by Mr. President — July 27, 2007 @ 10:26 pm

    f*kc, kid. keep this up. who are you trying to help?
    your future looks bleak, son.


  21. km4 says:

    Petraeus is a Bush/Cheney shill. Can his ass !


  22. bucketsofbloodforbucketsofoil says:

    Get cash from your bank account cause the bottom’s about to drop out of the stock market. Not that the cash will be worth much.


  23. Mr. President says:

    Jeez…

    Who’s this BoBfBoO guy?

    He seems dedicated to the cause!


  24. pgw says:

    “Maliki is Mucktard al-Sadist’s little b!tch.
    Comment by Mr. President — July 27, 2007 ”

    and bush is the saudi’s little b!tch.


  25. bucketsofbloodforbucketsofoil says:

    Ever heard of “naked short”

    It’s a new term on Wall Street. It’s like an IOU. Instead of actually buying the stock you agreed to sell at a certain price, you create a non-existent stock in its place – it’s called a naked short. This is what’s going on in the Hedge Funds.


  26. upside00 says:

    Maliki, be careful, Cheney is only letting you stay in power if you don’t make waves. He may just have to get his shotgun out…….and you know what THAT means!


  27. bucketsofbloodforbucketsofoil says:

    Maliki is Cheney


  28. Mr. President says:

    Maliki is Cheney

    Comment by bucketsofbloodforbucketsofoil — July 27, 2007 @ 10:46 pm

    ———————————————–
    Bob F. Boo,

    That is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard!


  29. TripMaster Monkey says:

    Comment by bucketsofbloodforbucketsofoil — July 27, 2007 @ 10:44 pm

    Interesting…puts the recent “exceptional performance” of the stock market in a new light. Wasn’t the stock market allegedly performing very well in late 1929?

    From wikipedia:

    The roaring twenties were a time of prosperity and excess in the city, and, despite warnings of speculation, many believed that the market could sustain high price levels. In the words of Irving Fisher, “Stock prices have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau.”

    Sound familiar?


  30. JG says:

    It is like fattening the pig before slaughter.. (Follow the money).


  31. JG says:

  32. GSD says:

    Replace Petraeus with General Shinseki. Replace Al Maliki with Borat.

    -GSD


  33. BucketsofBloodforBucketsofOil says:

    Naked short sales used to drive down stock prices
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfi3Hxasm2s


  34. JG says:

    Someone makes a killing when the stock market crashes. No different than someone making a killing when they bomb a country and disrupt the flow of oil.
    I really believe at that level, there is no loyalty to any person or country. It is all about money and power.

    I just read here that the WH is now making a deal with the Saudis for arms in the price range of $20 BILLION! Someone please explain this to me.. Supposedly we were attacked on 9/11 by 15 Saudis, 1 Egyptian, 1 Lebanese, 2 from union of Arab Emirates, and instead we bombed the sh*t out of Iraq and have spent over half a TRILLION on this war.. I feel like ‘Alice In Wonderland’..


  35. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    Sound familiar?

    Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 27, 2007 @ 10:51 pm

    Actually, yes, but not for the reason you’re thinking. I just read that very quote in a book not more than a few hours ago. Those kinds of coincidences happen to me all the time. Maybe I should start documenting them. To be honest, it scares me a little.


  36. Willy says:

    Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 27, 2007 @ 11:09 pm

    Wayne,

    Sounds like you’re having synchonicities which is a term coined by C.G. Jung and which is essentially a meaningful coincidence. My belief is that synchonicities are a good thing!


  37. Willy says:

    Woops, misspelled it: synchronicities or synchronicity


  38. The Eck says:

    Good evening. How’s everybody doing tonight?


  39. The Eck says:

    Wasn’t this one of the best movies ever made?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iASJHXUV75M


  40. The Eck says:

    “Interesting…puts the recent “exceptional performance” of the stock market in a new light.”

    The current dip has created a great buying opportunity.


  41. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    My belief is that synchonicities are a good thing!

    Comment by Willy — July 28, 2007 @ 12:03 am

    That’s what “The Celestine Prophecy” said. But since I doubt I’ll ever explore my birth drama or anything, I’m going to have to settle for going nuts seeing these things happen. I never read Jung. Does he sound grounded in non-sexually explicit reality? or does he start with the idea that everything is about sex, unless in those rare instances when it’s not.


  42. Rick says:

    Nouri al-Maliki, Iraq’s Ngo Ding Diem.


  43. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    BTW, not to start a fight, but I did a littel research onsometing mentioned earlier, and it turns out that the term “plausible deniability dates back to Allen Dulles.

    http://www.answers.com/topic/plausible-deniability

    But the Reagans certainly based their Iran-Contra operation around this tactic. That much is documented. Just wanted to clear that up.

    Back to Naked Fridays at ThinkProgress!



  44. The Hack says:

    Good evening. How’s everybody doing tonight?

    I’m about to make some stupid comments, if you all don’t mind.


  45. The Hack says:

    No need to thank me; it’s just what I do.

    The losses in the stock market are evidence of the booming economy.


  46. spit take says:

    it turns out that the term “plausible deniability dates back to Allen Dulles.

    Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 28, 2007 @ 12:40 am

    Them’s fighting words!

    Put up yer dukes!


  47. had enough says:

    Nouri al-Maliki does not get along with our commanding gen???? I wonder why? In the year 2010 would president Kucinich appreciate a commanding general from another country that has massacred our infrastructure, murdered, raped and tortured our citizens and then trying to steal our resources occupying our country?


  48. Jackie says:

    The rats turn on the rats. Looks like Iraq is ready to join the rest of the Middle East now that they have played the White House. Even the Saudi’s are finished with Bush. Let’s see how well the Middle East made out as Bush/Cheney gave them US land and US tax dollars. Big Business made out real good too. Look the voters thought they had a President as Bush used God’s name for the votes. Now we see the Middle East knew Bush was a drunken idiot and Cheney was an evil greedy old man so the Middle East played them for the fools they are. Now Americans will pay the price for letting Bush steal the White House twice. Iran/Syria/Jordan and all the Middle East countries are laughing at how easy it was to use the US. Oh Israel just sets back and using the US for what they can get. At lease China has moved ahead to the number one spot as the US moves down.


  49. Jay Randal says:

    Lol Bush loves General Be-Tray-Us, so I guess Dubya will have Maliki overthrown or murdered. Heck he did Tillman, so icing an Iraqi is no big deal to him.


  50. bilbobaggins says:

    “Hmmmm. I suspect Maliki may simply ask all the US troops to withdraw. The UN mandate expires at the end of the year.
    Comment by david “

    Bush would never allow that to happen. He will try to overthrow Maliki and if that doesn’t work he will have Maliki assassinated.


  51. JTitor says:

    Spy Agency OKs Bloggers as Journalists:

    The U.S. government — led by two of its most secretive agencies — is increasingly saying, “Yes, they are.”

    Despite the rap that bloggers simply “bloviate” and “don’t try to find things out,” as conservative newspaper columnist Robert Novak once sniffed, the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the National Security Agency (NSA) have altered policies to indicate they’re taking blogs seriously, and a growing number of public offices are actively reaching out to the blogosphere.

    The CIA recently updated its policies on Freedom of Information Act requests to allow bloggers to qualify for special treatment once reserved for old-school reporters. And last August, the NSA issued a directive to its employees to report leaks of classified information to the media — “including blogs,” the order said.

    Experts say it’s part of a trend. Earlier this year, the criminal trial of former White House aide I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby was the first time a federal court had issued press credentials to bloggers. A rotating pool of five to 10 bloggers sat alongside dozens of traditional media reporters to hear the government try and convict one-time aide to Vice President Dick Cheney on perjury and obstruction of justice charges stemming from the leak of an undercover CIA operative’s identity.


  52. bilbobaggins says:

    “Jeez…
    Who’s this BoBfBoO guy?
    He seems dedicated to the cause!
    Comment by Mr. President”

    He sounds a lot like you Mr. Pee.


  53. This Just In says:

    USA selling 20 billion dollars of weapons to Saudi’s

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/28/washington/28weapons.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

    Never ending wars coming.


  54. bilbobaggins says:

    “USA selling 20 billion dollars of weapons to Saudi’s”

    Wow, what a sweet deal for the war profiteers. First we give them gobs of our tax dollars to arm our military to destabilize the middle east. Then we give the war profiteers gobs of money to the Saudis to protect themselves from the mess we have caused. And to top it all off we offer Israel $30.4 billion in military aid over the next decade.

    Do we profit from this endless war? I think not. The only people who profit from endless war are the war profiteers like Halliburton and Bechtel.

    This was all part of Bush’s plan in the first place. Destabilize the Middle East to give his fat cat friends endless profits from wars and to give his fat cat oil friends the oil in the area he has destabilized. If Bush is ever assassinated, it won’t be by someone in our country, it will be by someone from one of the many countries he has put in jeopardy by his warmongering.


  55. Carmikl says:

    Iraq is engaged in a civil war. Maliki represents one side and Petraeus is arming and training the other side. It’s not hard to see why they don’t get along. There is a bit of irony here though. We are arming and training the very Saddamists that we removed from power when we invaded. This also qualifies as a major Oops.


  56. Jackie says:

    Remember when Republicans gave Saddam the weapons look what happen. Now India will to the same and so will the Saudis. The Middle East have some smart leaders they knew the US President was and idiot and they used him for all he is worth. They studied Dick Cheney and knew he was greedy and would fall for anything that looked like gold but really was coal. Now the new age begins and the US has to rebuild but future generation will see the weapons Bush gave away will come back to bite the US in the butt. Look for higher taxes as the GOP says it was all Bill Clinton’s fault, Bush had nothing to do with the past 6 1/2 years of crimes and stealing.


  57. Willy says:

    Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 28, 2007 @ 12:30 am

    Wayne,

    I’m certainly not an expert and I’ve only read a small amount of Jung, but my impression is that Jung was light years ahead of Freud. I think I read somewhere that Freud who wrote about sexual repression was also himself sexually repressed and so as a result he had an obsession with sex (kinda like today’s Republicans). Anyway, even though Freud did some important work, I believe he was way off base on a lot of things, whereas I think Jung was much more on the mark.


  58. Willy says:

    Wayne,

    Oh, and to answer your question, I believe Jung rejected Freud’s assertions that everything was based on sex and so Jung was much more reality-based.


  59. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    Thanks, willy. That’s the general impression I got from other refences I’ve encountered. Amazing how much trivia you can pick up and retain from the of oddest of places. I’ll have to find the Cliff’s Notes “review” of his work to catch up, or consult my “Incomplete Education” books.


  60. Mr. President says:

  61. Johnsnottoodistracted says:

    This has got to really strain the (what’s actually there) mental capacity of the entire gang.
    Who do you stick with?The paid help or the paid help?
    Who tells it like it isn’t, best?
    How did this happen anyway.Didn’t they both get the same script?


  62. Ben Dover says:

    Do you think this means the Iraqis wont be greeting us as liberators? Wolfie said they would do that. Now I’m afraid (four years after the fact) that they might not because Maliki doesn’t like our resident occupier.


  63. Chocolat Jesus + God Help Us into uranUs says:

    >Maliki is Mucktard al-Sadist’s little b!tch.
    >Comment by Mr. President

    Mr. Pee, Jake, whatever your name is this week, I really have to say.. just when I’ve thought I’ve heard the dumbest thing possible, you come along and break a new record.

    Is it really you saying this, or someone apeing you? Because you know, Maliki is the leader chosen by the FREE , DEMOCRATIC Iraq system…..
    Don’t you like Iraqis having the freedom to choose the leaders they want? You allegedly support a free, democratic Iraq, so why shouldn’t
    you support the results of that democracy in action? I mean, if a majority of Iraqis choose to breakaway the southern half and make it a satelite of Iran, don’t you support their right to make this choice?

    I take it you don’t like Maliki because you’ve figured out he’s esentially a pawn for the radical shia death squads. Well, this is the freedom you insisted the Iraqis must have, and that americans must die to give them, and now your p1ssed about how they used it.

    Typical, hypocritical republican.


  64. b-52 says:

    And now bush wants to give Billions of $ worth of arms to the Saudis and other “pro-western” gulf states.

    Things in Baghdad just got wa-aay hotter.


  65. AboveTheClouds says:

    Maybe Bush should bring back Perle and Wolfowitz and Bremer, get their advice, then just to the exact opposite of what they say (since EVERYTHING they predicted has been WRONG). Bush assigns clowns like these guys and Rumsfeld to ledership roles in our Gov’t and he wonders why he’s getting his ass kicked in Iraq?


  66. bilbobaggins says:

    “Bush gave away will come back to bite the US in the butt. “

    It’s already biting us in the but. We train and equip the Iraqi army and then they walk away taking their training and arms to join the insurgents. One has to wonder how many of our brave men and women have been killed by a US made weapon (besides Pat Tillman, of course).


  67. veritas says:

    #64 Bush & the Saudis? Why is that surprising to anyone? Pappy Bush is in bed with them in the Carlyle Group and what about the plane load of Saudis who were flown out immediately following 9/11 when airspace was, ostensibly, closed to ALL air traffic?

    Besides, when we were in bed with Saddam, Pappy Bush sold him WMD’s, etc. Why is this surprising? We get to “play god” and decide whom to arm and support and when? After all, that’s every good Bully’s MO. Likewise, we trained our public enemy #1, OBL, when we wanted him to help us drive the Russians out of Afghanistan.

    Our allegiance and support is predicated not on anything logical or moral; it’s all a matter of whom we intend to play with in our sandbox and when. Who can wonder why our credibility is around zero these days?


  68. veritas says:

    What Bush is doing right now with the Saudis is absolutely no different than what this schizophrenic group of thugs has been doing since the days of #41. Nothing’s changed one iota.


  69. veritas says:

    I can’t wait for the new President to out the members of PNAC and the self-dubbed “architects” of this amoral, highly illegal war based on lies and propaganda. We’ll all get to see who they are: Perle, Kristol, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush, Rice and others. The american people will see to it that they are all brought to justice.


  70. veritas says:

    This administration (and Pappy’s) play people for personal and political gain. They set them up and then topple them. I wonder if Abu Gonzo will resign during the recess so Bush can appoint another “recess appointee” to his post? Anyone taking bets yet?


  71. Lee J. Cobb says:

    It’s already biting us in the but. We train and equip the Iraqi army and then they walk away taking their training and arms to join the insurgents.

    Comment by bilbobaggins

    Last month news broke that we had been directly arming and training the Sunni insurgent; the very same ones that had been killing US Soldiers. We struck a deal with the to go after al Qaeda!
    How long do you think that “truce” will last?


  72. veritas says:

    This thread has been up for over 23 hours now….you’d think that someone at TP would be up having a latte at least by now???!!@@#$$


  73. GSD says:

    the fact that the US is now supplying weapons to some of the same Sunnis that have been blowing up Shiites might be a bit of a problem.

    Shiites must realize that the Bush’s are treacherous people. Just like Poppy Bush screwed them in 1991 so is his son doing to them in 2007.

    -GSD


  74. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    I wonder if Abu Gonzo will resign during the recess so Bush can appoint another “recess appointee” to his post? Anyone taking bets yet?

    I forgot about that trick! This is why Congress must impeach Gonzo immediately. Since the president’s pardon authority does not extend to “cases of impeachment”, it means he not only can’t prevent the trial and subsequent conviction and removal of Gonzo from office, but he can’t use it to protect Gonzo from facing criminal prosecution for lying because it would be a “case of impeachment”, and the constitution says that the removed party “shall be liable” for any crimes. Act fast, before Gonzo resigns, gets pardoned, and stays out of jail (as long as he can keep his mouth shut after that.)


  75. KYJurisDoctor says:

    That MUST mean that the General is getting ready to “hose down” the PM come September 15th!

    http://OsiSpeaks.com or http://OsiSpeaks.org


  76. JG says:

    I read somewhere that the Dems were going to hvae people in DC off and on throughout the break so that there would ALWAYS be somewhere there in order to prevent any recess appointments. I don’t remember where I read it though…


  77. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    I read somewhere that the Dems were going to hvae people in DC off and on throughout the break so that there would ALWAYS be somewhere there in order to prevent any recess appointments. I don’t remember where I read it though…

    Comment by JG — July 28, 2007 @ 11:28 am

    That would be a good plan, but if they do that, look for the Bush Admin to re-define “recess” as the next lunch break.


  78. boxorox says:

    It’s much easier to change the puppet than the hand.


  79. upside00 says:

    Act fast, before Gonzo resigns, gets pardoned, and stays out of jail (as long as he can keep his mouth shut after that.)

    Comment by Wayne A. Schneider

    The other thought is that they are destroying documents as fast as the shredders and dick cleaners can move, buying time, then Gonzo suddenly leaves the country for either Paraguay or Dubai, neither of which have extradition to the US. Then we get John Yoo as new AG during the recess.


  80. upside00 says:

    In #78 OOPS, a Freudian slip, menat to be DISK cleaners!


  81. Quadrajet says:

    “Then we get John Yoo as new AG during the recess.”
    Comment by upside00 — July 28, 2007 @ 11:55 am

    Yikes! Now that’s a scary thought. I remember thinking “great, Asscroft is out, who could be worse?”…..then Gonzo showed up. Before I even had time to seriously consider who could be worse than Gonzo, you’ve answered the question Upside….


  82. Carmikl says:

    “Sounds like you’re having synchonicities which is a term coined by C.G. Jung and which is essentially a meaningful coincidence. My belief is that synchonicities are a good thing!”

    Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — July 27, 2007 @ 11:09 pm at # 35

    The problem with Jung’s theory of synchronicity is determining which coincidences are meaningful. Superstitions, and many religious beliefs are based on coincidences that are not meaningful. Jung was worried that some meaningful serial events were buried by the rule of large numbers used in most research. Most statistical formulas used in research require and least 30 events or an N of 30 to be valid, but the more the better and more events decrease the margin of error. However, Jung wasn’t talking about mere coincidence, but serial events where some phenomena may occur 8 or 10 times in a row, but then be buried in the numbers of hundreds of the same phenomena. Usually that serial occurrence of phenomena wouldn’t be statistically significant.


  83. JG says:

    Act fast, before Gonzo resigns, gets pardoned, and stays out of jail (as long as he can keep his mouth shut after that.)

    I didn’t even think of that.. That would be terrible.
    If Bush were smart, he would nominate US Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald. I am not 100% sure, but I thought he was a VERY smart straight up guy. Who really knows though. It would go a long ways towards giving the DOJ some credibility and regaining the trust of Americans.
    Although.. on the other hand.. I am long past wanting Bush to make things right. I want Bush GONE. I want all of his (and Cheney’s and Rove’s) misdeeds exposed and I want them to be made accountable in a VERY big way so this can’t happen again.


  84. upside00 says:

    Yikes! Now that’s a scary thought. I remember thinking “great, Asscroft is out, who could be worse?”…..then Gonzo showed up. Before I even had time to seriously consider who could be worse than Gonzo, you’ve answered the question Upside….

    Comment by Quadrajet

    I KNOW!!! That thought has cost me some sleep as well. I get terminal nausea every time I see him interviewed. How he can even be on campus at Berkley, let alone be a Professor is beyond me.


  85. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    How he can even be on campus at Berkley, let alone be a Professor is beyond me.

    Comment by upside00 — July 28, 2007 @ 12:28 pm

    Damn liberal tenure! No wonder our kids aren’t learning right!

    /sarcasm off


  86. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    Comment by Carmikl — July 28, 2007 @ 12:09 pm

    Being Atheist, I don’t think there’s anything divine in all this. I’ve often said about the weird coincidences I’ve noticed that if someone’s trying to tell me something, I’d wish they’d just spell it the f*ck out! And I have not been able to find anything of significance to the coincidences. They’re random, and unrelated to winning the lottery. No useful purpose.


  87. Thrasymachos says:

    I take it you don’t like Maliki because you’ve figured out he’s esentially a pawn for the radical shia death squads. Well, this is the freedom you insisted the Iraqis must have, and that americans must die to give them, and now your p1ssed about how they used it.

    Typical, hypocritical republican.

    Comment by Chocolat Jesus + God Help Us into uranUs — July 28, 2007 @ 9:26 am
    ————————————————————
    Hey, I never said that I wanted the Iraqis to elect a leader. You’re assuming that I am a “Bush-bot,” if you will.

    I’ll fill you in on a little secret, if I were running the show, Bush would look like Jimmy Carter.


  88. Chocolat Jesus + God Help Us into uranUs says:

    >I’ll fill you in on a little secret, if I were running the show,
    > Bush would look like Jimmy Carter.

    Ahhh.. a little Bi-Partisan slash fiction eh? heheeh.

    I’m not going to query you further, because I don’t like the mental images it would create…


  89. Paul in LA says:

    “Well regarded”?

    Betrayus is as well regarded as the BUTTLICKING he did on Hugh Hewitt’s rightwing talk show.

    Either he’s a loyal general, or a rightwing PATSY. Guess.



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