Bush Administration Subpoenas Michael Moore
Bush Administration Subpoenas Michael Moore
For the filming of his documentary SiCKO, Michael Moore took sick 9/11 workers to Guantanamo Bay, Cuba to help them obtain free medical care. “The (rescue workers) just want medical attention!” Moore shouts into a loudspeaker in the movie, in a futile attempt to win over the security guards. “The same kind Al Qaeda is getting!” In May, Moore announced that the Treasury Department launched an investigation into his trip, examining “whether he had violated restrictions on travel to Cuba.”
Last night on NBC’s Tonight Show with Jay Leno, Moore announced that “the Bush administration has now issued a subpoena for me, going after me for helping these 9/11 rescue workers.” Moore said that the subpoena was unwarranted, since journalists are allowed to travel to Cuba, and “this was a work of journalism.” “I was there to help them and now I’m going to face this further harrassment from the Bush people,” said Moore. “Aren’t they busy with something else?” Watch it:
In May, Moore received a letter from Dale Thompson in the Treasury Department’s Office of Foreign Assets Control, claiming, “OFAC has information indicating that you claimed to qualify under the provision for general license for full-time journalists.”
Moore also announced that on Aug. 11, The Weinstein Company, which distributes SiCKO, will donate 11 percent of the box office receipts to help 9/11 rescue workers who need medical care.
Transcript:
LENO: I was asking you about them in the dressing room. And this is like one of these dramatic moments. We were backstage, and I said, “Hey, what happened with them? I know you took them to Cuba, and I know a couple of months ago the government went after you for going to Cuba” –
MOORE: Took them to Guantanamo Bay.
LENO: Yeah. And everybody to get their health care.
MOORE: Because I heard the al Qaeda terrorists that we have in the camps there detained are receiving free dental, medical, eye care, the whole deal, and our own 9/11 rescue workers can’t get that in New York City. And I just thought there was something completely crazy about that, so we sailed into Guantanamo Bay and filmed it, to try to get them the same care we’re giving al Qaeda. The Bush administration became upset at that, and it informed me at the same — when I was on the show last — that they were investigating me for doing this.
LENO: Well, investigating you for going to Cuba.
MOORE: Yeah, because Guantanamo Bay is in Cuba, and once we’re there in Cuba, we couldn’t get any help, so we went and got help from the Cuban doctors.
LENO: But a lot of celebrities go to Cuba.
MOORE: Yeah, oh yeah. Leonardo DiCaprio has been there, Cameron Diaz.
LENO: Sure, a lot of people go. But what happened just an hour ago —
MOORE: You want me to tell what happened –
LENO: Sure, go ahead.
MOORE: Ok, well, I haven’t even told my own family this yet, so you’re asking me to do this on national television.
LENO: Yeah, but it’s NBC, so not that many people are watching.
MOORE: Alright. Well, I was just informed while I was back there with Jay that the Bush administration has now issued a subpoena for me, going after me for helping these 9/11 rescue workers.
LENO: Well, no, for going to Cuba, it wasn’t for helping them –
MOORE: Well, that’s why I went there. I didn’t go there like Cameron Diaz to get a tan. No offense, I’m all for her tan. I’m just sailing around on a pontoon there in Cuba, but that’s not why I was there. I was there to help them and now I’m going to face this further harrassment from the Bush people. Aren’t they busy with something else?
LENO: What does the subpoena involve? Is it because you went to Cuba, is that why?
MOORE: Yeah, because as free citizens in a free country we’re not allowed to travel to Cuba, but journalists can go, and this was a work of journalism. But frankly, the larger point’s being missed here. The point is that first of all, can we all agree that we should take care of 9/11 rescue workers? You know? And you know, actually, Harvey Weinstein who owns the company that’s distributing the film — the Weinstein Company — they have said that on Aug. 11 this year, they’re going to donate 11 percent of the box office of SiCKO to help these workers and the other workers who need some help.
LENO: That’s good.
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Moore must L-O-V-E this. More publicity, AND he may get to publicly SPANK the Bush administration in court.
July 27th, 2007 at 9:54 amMichael Moore should decline to respond to the subpoena. After all, the Chimpy administration has previously established that subpoenas need not be heeded.
July 27th, 2007 at 9:54 amRepublicans Can’t Govern sez:
Indeed he must. It’s a foolish move by the White House to do something this public. The more attention Moore gets the more he wins.
July 27th, 2007 at 9:56 amIf there is anything that this administration has shown us, it is that subpoenas are voluntary. You can ignore them. Hell, Moore should claim that Executive Privelege appiles to him, because he once worked with a guy that knew someone who worked at the White House. Seems to be working for Harriet Miers.
July 27th, 2007 at 9:57 amJust when you think that the Keystone Kops could not possibly do anything stupider, they come up with another clinker.
I am sure that Moore is saying “bring ‘em on”.
July 27th, 2007 at 9:58 am“Who you going to send after me? The Attorney General??”
July 27th, 2007 at 10:02 amMoore should claim movie executive privilege.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:04 amTrolls are gonna love this
July 27th, 2007 at 10:04 amI am printing a few thousand SICKO cards for my friends and neighbors today. I am going to hand it to my doctor, mayor and everyone else.
I can’t wait to see this one play out. Someone we trust like Mike, and someone we can’t trust for anything except criminal activity on a global scale.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:04 amMoore needs a new lawyer. Journos don’t have a right to access to Cuba.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:05 amLa administración de Bush es estúpida. That just about sums it up!
July 27th, 2007 at 10:05 amhey moore, just claim executive privilege and tell them to go to hell.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:06 am“movie executive privilege” @ 7
Nice.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:10 amPlease keep us posted on the date, so we can make travel and hotel bookings.
This will be the show of the century.
I see a broadway musical based on this.
Jack Jett
July 27th, 2007 at 10:11 amhttp://www.jackejett.com
So what? Subpoenas don’t mean sh!t these days, right? I mean, you can just ignore them and not show up. That’s what I heard.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:11 amI watched that last night, as I await word on a date for gallbladder surgery, for which I have no insurance. I will be deeper in debt, (my double cancer two years ago makes me essentially uninsurable) and there is no guarantee the operation will relieve my pain, but it is necessary. I have several friends in similar or worse situations, and a couple of them have health insurance, but they must battle for every payment.
My 18-year old, who took me to see SICKO watched the Leno show with me. He finally asked me how it made me feel, especially in light of the government “investigation”, and I just turned to him with tears in my eyes. He understood. America is failing at this…the richest country in the world is now extra rich in irony.
I had a contemptuous moment over the weekend, watching Bush walk away from his polyp-removing colonoscopy, knowing that I (an every other taxpayer) paid for his return to good health, too.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:12 amThe Bushneys have fallen into Moore’s trap. Moore wants as much light as possible to be shone on the dismal health care situation in this country, and if it means getting subpoenaed, arrested, or even jailed, this will keep the topic in the news — and thereby keep the pressure on our government for change.
If Bush was smart (yes, I realize the absurdity of that remark), he would have just ignored Moore. SiCKO would have had its run in the theaters, made a slight splash again when it hit DVD, and then the country would have turned their attention to something else.
Keep fanning the fire, George. We need to do something about health care, and you are helping to keep the issue in the papers.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:15 amThis proves they have nothing better to do with their time and the salaries we are paying them. The entire country is going to hell in a handbasket (sorry, hellinahandbasket!) and they are going after Michael Moore. This bespeaks the level of chicanery and charlatanism which they epitomize.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:16 ammissmolly: Yes, they’re certainly now drawing everyone’s attention to the great disparity in our healthcare model. They’re actively “fanning the flames” of a critical mass of dissent. I also believe that there will be an investigation into the price fixing practices of Big Insurance - one of Bush’s “Holy Trinity”. Big Oil, Big Pharma, and Big Insurance….the money which continues to fund the GOP.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:18 amhe needs to claim Directorial Privilege
July 27th, 2007 at 10:18 ammissmolly: And the longer this remains headline news, the more people who either have no healthcare coverage because they cannot afford it or who have it and have experienced nightmares when attempting to utilize it will join together into one collective voice and demand that this country change this abomination we now call “healthcare”. I think Georgie Porgie is doing a “heckova job” in tanking his own constituency.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:19 amBut…but…but…I thought Gitmo was an infamous torture center? Now Moore, whom you all seem to idolize, is under the impression that the place provides first-class medical care.
You whackheads need to keep your conspiracies straight, your tracks are starting to diverge.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:20 amHi Ace, Wayne (both Wayne’s), et al…I peruse the threads each morning and I see that, once again, you’ve all outdone yourselves with valuable information, support data via links to your comments, as well as annihilation of the trolls. Good work!
July 27th, 2007 at 10:23 amBig Oil, Big Pharma, and Big Insurance
What you need to do is advocate that the government take over responsibility for producing new drugs and medical devices, Im sure they could create a new beuracracy that would do a better job than private industry.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:23 amMr. President
July 27th, 2007 at 10:24 amHe should claim executive privilege
July 27th, 2007 at 10:24 amIt looks like the idiots in chief are playing right into Michael Moore’s hands on this move. Gotta love it! Now Michael will receive notoriety and visibility for this on top of that which his movie is already receiving. Since Michael Moore has more innate intelligence in one of his toes than Dumbya has in his entire body, I’d have to believe that Michael strategized and goaded them into this. Moore is pure genius.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:26 amValuable information? You mean ‘truther’ shat about the WTC being destroyed by alien technology under the control of Rove? That information?
Leave it to the libs to embrace a feverish anti-semite as one of their trusted sources.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:26 amPizza: Don’t be such a fatalist. I’m merely suggesting that we utilize the same drug companies who are providing the drugs to Canadians for half the price. You know….the ones who do not have Bush on their payroll…..yeah…those guys.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:28 am#24. No thanks. BUT, how about Big Oil, Big Pharma, and Big Medical leave Federal policy to the U.S. citizens and their representatives? Instead, we have their lobbyists actually writing the bills that are signed into law.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:29 amMoore is a liar. He did not go to Cuba merely for journalistic purposes, as he himself states: “The (rescue workers) just want medical attention!â€
Which is it Michael, journalism, or medical attention?
I suspect Moore is lying so as to draw attention to himself, promote his movie, and take cheap shots at the USA.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:29 amBesides, we can’t entrust the surity of getting water to thousands of dying Katrina victims in New Orleans to THIS government so how can anyone realistically suggest that they can handle something as complex as healthcare?
July 27th, 2007 at 10:29 amThe White House throws another tantrum. This is Rove’s response to getting subpoenaed. He’s probably writing dirty words on the walls of his office with crayon right now. Is there no adult supervision there at all?
July 27th, 2007 at 10:29 amNow Michael will receive notoriety and visibility for this on top of that which his movie is already receiving.
Which would be next to nothing. I wonder if Moore talked to the average Cubans who dont get to visit the fancy hospitals reserved for foreigners. I also wonder why Castro had to bring in a Spanish doctor to operate on him.
Feel free to peruse the pics. The one on the top left should suffice.
http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm
July 27th, 2007 at 10:30 ampersonally, mr. pizza, i don’t want profit-hungry pharmaceuticals pushing inadequately tested drugs to the market.
i prefer the model of research institutions and universities with an actual motive of helping the public. when drugs are a profit industry, we get bad drugs that are lobbied to the market. jonas salk didn’t patent his vaccine for polio; he didn’t want profit, he wanted to end polio.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:30 amMoore didn’t travel to Castro’s Cuba, he went to Gitmo, which is an American base. How is this illegal?
I lived in Gitmo many years ago, and there was lots of security around the land border, of course, but I was not aware of the security over the water.
Seriously, if anyone actually knows the answer, I’d like to hear it. Although not from a troll, please.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:31 amThis bespeaks… chicanery and charlatanism…
Comment by veritas — July 27, 2007 @ 10:16 am
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Indeed. I feel the same about Moore.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:31 amBut…but…but…I thought Gitmo was an infamous torture center? Now Moore, whom you all seem to idolize, is under the impression that the place provides first-class medical care.
Comment by Pizza the Hutt — July 27, 2007 @ 10:20 am
I believe the reason WHY Moore was under the impression that Gitmo provided first-class medical care is because our current administration has continually put out the talking point that the detainees there are staying in a warm resort-like Caribbean location, getting fed well, and getting first-class medical care. Since the people accompanying him couldn’t get any medical care in the U.S., why not see if ordinary Americans could get the same great health care afforded terrorism suspects?
BTW — we are still unconvinced that Gitmo provides first-class medical care. Since Moore was turned away, we still have no evidence except our government’s word for it.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:31 amZehava: That’s correct. Gitmo is an american base and not illegal at all, as I see it.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:32 amComment by chimpeach
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July 27th, 2007 at 10:32 amOn a lighter note, I hope Moore gets lots of attention over this subpoena, he’ll draw even more attention to the healthcare problems in this country. And the whacked out priorities of this administration.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:33 amI think this is great because it really shows how myopic this administration actually is: They are taking the time (and our tax dollars) to go after Michael Moore when our national security is threatened at every open border in this country??? WTF??? Do they expect the people to rally around this level of chicanery and deceit?
What this will handily accomplish is an even greater repudiation of Bush and his entire cabal. His numbers on one poll yesterday toiletted to 23%….I expect he will be in the teens before the summer is over.
Maybe he’ll do all americans a huge favor and decide to retire and not come back following his month long vacation in August? One can only wish for such a “gift”.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:34 amWhich is it Michael, journalism, or medical attention?
Moore went there to document the rescue workers receiving medical care. That’s why they call it a “documentary”. It’s considered to be a form of journalism.
See? That wasn’t so hard.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:34 amZehava: Precisely what Moore is doing! He’s making the myopic president look like a fool and he is accomplishing his task: drawing mega attention to his message of the corruption within the healthcare industry. This is genius.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:35 amMoore went there to document the rescue workers receiving medical care. That’s why they call it a “documentaryâ€. It’s considered to be a form of journalism.
See? That wasn’t so hard.
Comment by chimpeach — July 27, 2007 @ 10:34 am
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So he went there to document himself and others breaking US law!
Great idea!
July 27th, 2007 at 10:36 amBy the time the Chump returns from his vacation in September, there will be so many scandals and fires to put out that he’ll be totally engulfed and overwhelmed.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:37 amMr. Pissflaps?
Taking cheap shots at the USA? I beg to differ little man, taking shots at the Bush administration is taking shots FOR the USA. Your blind faith is getting old. Bush is the enemy of our country and what we stand for.
He will be remembered as the worst pResident ever, and he will be reviled in the history books just as he and his cowardly weak supporters are despised today.
Maybe even by the time you get to High School the history books will have a chapter on this black period in our history.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:37 amAnd, isn’t the president supposed to be busy doing the people’s business instead of putting on political theatre like this?
July 27th, 2007 at 10:37 amI really think that every time a lawmaker speaks about private insurance being the best and government supplied health care not working they should be asked to give up their government supplied health care just as Moore suggested.
Also the democrats should raise the point that lawmakers get government supplied health care in the upcoming debate over expanding schip. They should point it out when Bush vetoes the bill. they should shame the hypocrites that wish to deny health care for all Americans while letting the tax payer foot their own medical bills.
We need an online netroots campaign to remind the tax payers that these lawmakers think government supplied healthcare is wrong for you but right for them.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:37 amSo he went there to document himself and others breaking US law!
Great idea!
Comment by Mr. President
Which law?
July 27th, 2007 at 10:38 amThe White House is being foolish by going after Moore. They may not like Michael Moore, but he does have the right to say what he wants. This is good publicity for Moore though.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:38 amBush is the enemy of our country and what we stand for.
Comment by nanlichi — July 27, 2007 @ 10:37 am
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Well, I don’t know which Islamic country y’all stand for, but here in the USA, President George W. Bush is no criminal.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:39 amAs long as our country treats its people like disposable razors there are NO cheap shots that shouldn’t be taken.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:39 am#52 you shall shortly find out otherwise…then again there are STILL peeps in russia that LOVE stalin.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:40 amSo he went there to document himself and others breaking US law!
Since he was the one documenting it, he really needed to be there. And journalists are allowed to go. Why didn’t Karl want to subpoena the rescue workers? They were the documentees, not the documentors.
Could it be that the White House finally figured out that they’d screwed these people as much as they possibly could and that anything more would start taking a chunk out of the remaining 26% who are Idiots for Bush? Just a theory.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:41 amWell, I don’t know which Islamic country y’all stand for, but here in the USA, President George W. Bush is no criminal.
Comment by Mr. President — July 27, 2007 @ 10:39 am
He hasn’t stood trial yet, but soon.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:43 amWhich law?
Comment by Republicans Can’t Govern. — July 27, 2007 @ 10:38 am
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Well, from what I understand, and I’m no lawyer, Moore was restricted by the gov’t as to what he could and could not do while in Cuba. Also, from what I hear, he had not yet been authorized to even go to Cuba (I could be wrong about this).
However, he has been subpoenaed, so I’m sure we will learn more about the specifics in due time.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:43 amWell, I don’t know which Islamic country y’all stand for, but here in the USA, President George W. Bush is no criminal.
Well, I guess y’all don’t know what the f*ck you’re talking about then. Hyuk-hyuk-hyuk.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:43 amLesly at 10:05–From the State Department website:
Licenses are granted to the following categories of travelers and they are permitted to spend money for Cuban travel and to engage in other transactions directly incident to the purpose of their travel under a general license, without the need to obtain special permission from the U.S. Treasury Department’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC):
* Journalists and supporting broadcasting or technical personnel (regularly employed in that capacity by a news reporting organization and traveling for journalistic activities)
July 27th, 2007 at 10:45 am#52 you shall shortly find out otherwise…then again there are STILL peeps in russia that LOVE stalin.
Comment by bobh — July 27, 2007 @ 10:40 am
July 27th, 2007 at 10:45 am——————————————
What? You’re saying that your from an Islamic ex-Soviet nation that hates America?
MOORE: Yeah, because Guantanamo Bay is in Cuba, and once we’re there in Cuba, we couldn’t get any help, so we went and got help from the Cuban doctors.
Moore took them into Cuba (that is not Gitmo) and the doctors there. So, yes, he and the others did go to Cuba. Now, riddle me this - Why is Moore getting a subpoena but the the other people with him are not?
It’s so funny that there are people in the US that are still pissed at Castro. What did he do? Oh yeah, kicked the rich americans out of the land they stole from Cuba. Boo hoo.
Look over there - could it be terrorist coming to do damage to america on it’s own soil? Nope, some Cubans trying to escape Cuba and come to the land of the free where you aren’t allowed to go to Cuba!!!!! LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
July 27th, 2007 at 10:45 amWhy is Moore getting a subpoena but the the other people with him are not?
It was Moore’s idea, and provided the means to get there… in short, it was his fault.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:47 amHowever, he has been subpoenaed, so I’m sure we will learn more about the specifics in due time.
Comment by Mr. President — July 27, 2007 @ 10:43 am
LOL Like this is more important than having the head of the US Justice department forget what job he was supposed to do. Funny stuff.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:49 amwell, yikes, castro also let the soviet union build missile silos on his island…there was this little thing called the cuban missile crisis…
not that i support the embargo, that is. it’s been the main thing that’s kept castro in power and gave him a direct way to demonize the u.s. in his country. in fact there’s almost a direct corollary here
the embargo is to cuba asthe subpeona is to moore
both are attempts to punish an enemy that actually help them. shortsighted and vindictive policies rarely work.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:50 amWhen will this Administration get down to the business of this country instead of engaging in these witch hunts?
July 27th, 2007 at 10:51 amIt was Moore’s idea, and provided the means to get there… in short, it was his fault.
Sorry. Law enforcement doesn’t work that way. He didn’t make them do it. They were willing participants. If there’s any guilt to be had, it would be shared by all of them equally, except that Moore was the one who was there as a journalist.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:51 amhey i’ve got an idea, let’s not use the term ‘witch hunt’ anymore. it’s been massively trivialized and has become the standard partisan tit-for-tat.
waiting on troll to accuse congress of a witch hunt over gonzales in 3…2…1…
July 27th, 2007 at 10:54 amTwo way street people. If Democrats in Congress are going on a fish hunt, the GOP better start striking back. Next up - Dianne Feinstein and her husband’s business ties, Hillary eavesdropping pollster and of course Gov. Spitzer ridiculous fascist eavesdropping scam on Bruo.
This is just the beginning. The Democrats will get their’s - trust me.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:59 amMoore wants socialized medicine, so why not let people see his movie for free?…
Oh, that’s right, Moore is really a capitalist who is using people’s fears about health insurance to cash in.
All you supporters of Moore are dupes.
July 27th, 2007 at 11:03 amThis is just the beginning. The Democrats will get their’s - trust me.
Comment by The Left Hates our Troops — July 27, 2007 @ 10:59 am
Bring it on! Corruption out of my government now!
July 27th, 2007 at 11:03 amBy all means Moore should abide by the laws of this land and respect the subpeona. He should fufill his constitutional obligation and confront his accusers in a court of law.
Now let’s hear the same call for Harriet, Josh and Karl. Nobody is above the law so quit playing the partisan games and work to uphold the constitution.
If Moore is guilty then should pay his debt to society. Same goes for the growing list of Bush Administration loyalists.
July 27th, 2007 at 11:05 amMoore is a tool. Remember Ferenheit 9/11? How is the USA going to give everyone health care when our own government creates false flag ops like 9/11?
What country would want to emulate the US now? No one, the US is a bunch of corrupt elected officials and the idiots still out of the loop, think its a right left thing.
9/11 was an inside job. Newtons laws of basic concepts in physics do not get suspended just because we need to justify a war on terror(bullshit) and the war in Iraq wich now 70% of people think is bullshit.
So lets spread the bullshit of the USA to other countries.
July 27th, 2007 at 11:05 amthanks. you can call it a fish hunt if you want, but you fell for it.
c’mon, hates our troops, you know if this were gore doing what bush has done you righties would’ve already impeached. the funny thing is you’ve all got your panties in a knot and the dems have actually slow-walked this thing.
perhaps they’re smart enough to know, like you say, that’s what republicans are about: the democrats will get theirs.
there’s no rule of law as far as you’re concerned, only partisan retaliation. i want bush gone, but i want it done lawfully and with cause. i’m impatient, but i appreciate the need to not give republicans a precedent for turning our government into an impeach-fest.
July 27th, 2007 at 11:06 amThe Left Hates Our Troops sez:
“Fish hunt”? Did you try to say “witch hunt” and “fishing expedition”, and get confused? Coming from someone whose very nick is a demonstrably false, thoroughly debunked reichwing talking point, I can believe it.
Fair enough…we can handle all that next…as soon as we take care of all this treasonous activity in the White House.
July 27th, 2007 at 11:10 amjt, that’s a bunk argument.
moore (whom i’m not exactly a fan of, btw) isn’t advocating socialism. there’s a simple premise here that you seem to miss - a society as wealthy as ours should be able to take care of itself, especially the millions who can’t afford insurance. i’m sure you think all those people are just deadbeats who don’t want to work, but that’s far from the truth.
adequate healthcare shouldn’t be only for those who can afford it. our society is in sad shape if we leave people sick and dying with no options.
July 27th, 2007 at 11:12 amIt’s funny, even GOPers should be able to see how stupid it is for BushCo to pursue Moore with the result of only inflaming the “problem”. In this case the problem is our have-and-have-not health insurance system. I can’t bring myself to actually call this a health-care system.
But for some reason GOPers can’t seem to apply the same logic to BushCo in Iraq and Bin Laden. If you read much on Bin Laden you’ll see that BushCo is absolutely proving his every criticism of America. BushCo is fanning the flames of US hatred around the world in and out of the Muslim community. Perhaps best of all, from OBL’s perspective, BushCo has pretty much refused to kill or capture him. Everyday he’s alive he is not only a star in the terrorist community around the globe, but he makes a ass out of the United States for no other reason than he is alive.
When given a choice, when making a decision, the Decider will always make the wrong decision. You can take that to the bank.
July 27th, 2007 at 11:12 am#52 you shall shortly find out otherwise…then again there are STILL peeps in russia that LOVE stalin.
Comment by bobh — July 27, 2007 @ 10:40 am
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What? You’re saying that your from an Islamic ex-Soviet nation that hates America?
Comment by Mr. President — July 27, 2007 @ 10:45 am
Dude. Seriously. First you say that Saudis aren’t muslims, and now you’re saying that Russians are?
July 27th, 2007 at 11:14 am#62 - Yikes
Thanks for that, Yikes.
SICKO hasn’t come to my great red state, so I haven’t seen it — or I might have known that.
Pretty sad state of affairs when 9/11 workers have to go to such lengths.
July 27th, 2007 at 11:14 amyes, bring on the witching expedition! get rid of all the corrupt bastards, democrat or republican.
July 27th, 2007 at 11:15 amMoore is such a fat-@ss that the taxpayers will end up paying for his healthcare (not that he couldn’t do anything about it, like eating less and exercising more). So, he wants you to pay for his movie and he for his healthcare. Does that sound fair to you?…
He’s too busy counting his movie ticket receipts and laughing all the way to bank…
July 27th, 2007 at 11:15 amDude. Seriously. First you say that Saudis aren’t muslims, and now you’re saying that Russians are?
Comment by Luis M — July 27, 2007 @ 11:14 am
What do you expect from someone who thinks slavery is good because it saves money?
July 27th, 2007 at 11:19 amYes, Bush is a criminal, and yes, he is the enemy of all true Americans. Not the sniveling, piss soaked, cumchewing trolls, who are not Americans. Anyone who is so short of self esteem that they have to suck up to a father figure, can’t be called a true American.
But the pathetic little pukes will still support their God Bush to the end.
We will get through this black period, and the silver lining will be the demise of the Repugnicunt Party.
July 27th, 2007 at 11:20 amWouldn’t a subpoena be a public record?
July 27th, 2007 at 11:21 amHe’s too busy counting his movie ticket receipts and laughing all the way to bank…
Comment by JT — July 27, 2007 @ 11:15 am
As opposed to Bush, Cheney and pals counting their buckets of oil money and laughing behind your back? Yeah JT, Moore is waaaaaay worse.
July 27th, 2007 at 11:23 amI say lets drive the conservatives into the ocean, Clinton/Moore ‘08
ROFL
July 27th, 2007 at 11:25 amAll the more attention for his flick. Thanks Bushies!
July 27th, 2007 at 11:29 amDoes Cheney or Bush hold any stock in the production company of Moore’s films because Kelso and others are spot on. This is free advertising.
July 27th, 2007 at 11:34 amclaim citizen privilege and don’t show up
July 27th, 2007 at 11:35 amJT has demonstrated a profound misunderstanding of (1) what Moore is proposing; and (2) the broader system of socialism.
JT, can you show me ONE example of a proposed health care policy where the system is FREE? Or, ONE example in any other country in the world where the system is FREE? Be sure to consider that payments to or from the government would negate the concept of FREE.
I’ll wait. and wait.
July 27th, 2007 at 11:37 amad hominem
1. appealing to one’s prejudices, emotions, or special interests rather than to one’s intellect or reason.
2. attacking an opponent’s character rather than answering his argument.
The above is thanks to dictionary.reference.com. I had to look this up the other day and am I glad i did. It seems this is a GOPer speciality, ad hominem attacks. I’d bet this is chapter one in the Rove playbook.
GOPers, please deal with Moore’s arguments, deal with his facts, deal with our FUBAR health insurance system why don’t you? I wouldn’t care if Bush and Kennedy came together to craft the toughest drunk driving law in the nation. If it saves thousands of lives a year then I’m all for it. Yes, it would be easy to criticize them both as drunks, but I’d rather deal with how to effectively such a law might save American lives.
Although it can be fun to get side tracked in the fact that Moore has short comings and is unquestionably an unhealthy fat man, I am far less concerned with his life expectancy than with the MILLIONS of American lives that his film is trying to shine a light on, that have almost no access to health care — except as the Decider says, “they just go to the emergency room”. Are you more concerned about Mr. Moore or about millions of Americans?
You trolls are so silly. You guys and gals should aways claim the 5th because every time you open your mouth you prove our argument.
July 27th, 2007 at 11:38 amYikes…
You’re such an idiot. I never said he was worse than Bush, et al. Don’t try to put words in other people’s posts that were never there. Typical lefty b.s.
July 27th, 2007 at 11:39 amBush has vowed to deny 4.1 million kids access to health care because;
1 million of the kids under the plan have health insurance that their parents are paying for and that will take money from the insurance industry.
This administration is about business and nothing else. They serve only the corporate “citizenry”.
This is a treason of policy and MUST NOT be tolerated any longer!!
July 27th, 2007 at 11:47 am#67 well, yikes, castro also let the soviet union build missile silos on his island…there was this little thing called the cuban missile crisis…
Comment by lonesomerobot — July 27, 2007 @ 10:50 am
Curiously, the USA has thousands of nuclear missiles that can reach Cuba…
July 27th, 2007 at 11:50 amMoore wants socialized medicine, so why not let people see his movie for free?…
Oh, that’s right, Moore is really a capitalist who is using people’s fears about health insurance to cash in.
All you supporters of Moore are dupes.
Comment by JT — July 27, 2007 @ 11:03 am
And your idea that social=Socialism=for free comes exactly from?
July 27th, 2007 at 11:51 amShit. Sorry about that…
See you on the boat then… DONT GET BOUGHT WILLINGLY!
-Wilfred L. Guerin
July 27th, 2007 at 11:52 amWilfredGuerin@gmail.com
aim/msn/yp/gt/etc “WilfredGuerin”
Moore knows how to handle the Bush Regime goons, so he will be OK.
July 27th, 2007 at 11:52 amput fat boy in prison
July 27th, 2007 at 11:54 amYea sign me up for Canadian health care where I can wait 6 months to 2 years for major surgery.
Mikey go have another double cheese burger w/fries and a supersized soda.
July 27th, 2007 at 11:54 amHey Michael,
Tell them you will be happy to show up right after Rove, Meirs and Gonzo show up and tell us anything that remotely resembles the truth and/or is relevant to the questions being asked.
That aside, the movie Sicko is an outstanding movie. Hopefully it will wake up America to the second most important domestic issues facing the U.S.
The first being secure, accurate, verifiable elections without DRE touch-screen voting machines. Remember, he who casts the votes decides nothing, he who COUNTS the votes decides everything - Josef Stalin!
July 27th, 2007 at 11:56 amYea sign me up for Canadian health care where I can wait 6 months to 2 years for major surgery.
Comment by Flaco — July 27, 2007 @ 11:54 am
Would this be elective surgery or critically needed surgery? Oh and your source? Why do you believe Canadadians are healtheir overall than Americans or do believe this to be an untrue statement?
July 27th, 2007 at 11:57 amFunny thing Flaco, every Canadian I have talked to looks at me funny if I mention a 6 month waiting period. The disinformation spread about every country with a socialized health care system is pretty funny. Perhaps you should actually talk to the people affected by the system, instead of believing the rants written by people like you.
July 27th, 2007 at 11:58 amFurther proof that the White House is manned by out-of-touch dumbasses.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:00 pmHas anyone ever thought what the REAL crisis is?…
Health insurance is used to pool collective risks together and pay for costs that arise from time to time from the collective pool of money.
Health insurance companies are for-profit enterprises. Doctors and nurses and for-profit individuals.
The problem isn’t lack of insurance or the profits of companies, it’s the absurdly high cost of health care itself. We need to make it easier for persons to practice medicine and become doctors and drive down the cost of healthcare.
When healthcare itself becomes more affordable, then we can all afford it. Right now, we are so focused on the cost of health insurance that we’re missing the forest for the trees. When you go to the doctor, do you ask how much a procedure costs? No. You ask whether your health insurance will cover the costs.
Because of this mentality, there is no incentive to drive down healthcare costs. Rather, we get ticked if our insurance doesn’t cover the procedure (or we don’t have insurance at all).
This is all started with medicare. When patients are not directly involved in the market for healthcare, the costs go up and up and up. And all do is moan about the cost of insurance going up, and up…
If you really want to effect change, start with the cost of healthcare itself. Focusing on insurance doesn’t solve the problem, and neither does forcing everyone to pay for a person’s heathcare. We saw this with public housing–if you receive something for free, you don’t respect or take care it and eventually get pissed when it runs down or doesn’t work anymore.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:00 pmYikes…
You’re such an idiot. I never said he was worse than Bush, et al. Don’t try to put words in other people’s posts that were never there. Typical lefty b.s.
Comment by JT — July 27, 2007 @ 11:39 am
What the hell is the point of your post then? Is it typical righty b.s.? What’s Moore’s health have to do with it? Who is allowed to make money JT? I’d call you an idiot but I’m afraid your not worth it.
Talk about being duped!
July 27th, 2007 at 12:00 pmput fat boy in prison
Comment by crimedog — July 27, 2007 @ 11:54 am
why?
July 27th, 2007 at 12:01 pmOops that last comment was from me. I posted a “Tony Snow” comment yesterday and forgot to change back to my normal handle. Sorry folks.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:01 pmFlaco,
“Yea sign me up for Canadian health care where I can wait 6 months to 2 years for major surgery.”
If this is true, Why aren’t the Canadians pissed about their system like Americans are pissed about their’s? Why do they have better results from their system than we do? Why aren’t they dropping dead up there if it’s so bad? Could it be because they see what a failure a privatized system is?
July 27th, 2007 at 12:03 pmFirst Chimpy refuses to sign a bill extending insurance for children, now he and his Fourth Reich administration have supoenaed him just because he took a bunch of ill 9/11 rescue workers to get them medical care.
Nice job Chimpy. If Michael claims executive privilege and refuses to participate in your monkey show, does that mean you’ll get the law on him?
July 27th, 2007 at 12:03 pmBushCo. hates 9/11 rescue workers and victims
July 27th, 2007 at 12:04 pmMM is a money grubbing capitalist leftist pig.
MM hearts money.
Comment by Flaco — July 27, 2007 @ 12:03 pm
Well you should be in love with him then.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:04 pmMM has quietly helped nearly every person who was in need that had a part in any of his documentaries and has expained that he must keep it quiet do to the overwhelming requests for his help. FACT.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:07 pm“Every day we’re paying for health care, yet when we go to access it, it’s just not there,” said Pelton.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:07 pmMM is the people’s hero, conservative or liberal. He is not the hero of the greedy.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:09 pmMM is a money grubbing capitalist leftist pig.
MM hearts money.
Comment by Flaco — July 27, 2007 @ 12:03 pm
Who knows maybe that’s true but I believe you were going to unlighten us all with intelligent responses to the posts asking you to stand up with some clearly sited source to defend your statement that people are going without needed surgeries in Canada due to a failed system. By implication you seem to be suggesting the US system is superior. So lay it down brother and skip the delaying attacks on a “husky” fellow you do not like
July 27th, 2007 at 12:09 pmTo all the trolls who are responding with a straw man argument that Michael Moore is a capitalist pig for charging admission for the film:
Is this the best you can do? It costs money to make a film and distribute it, and the box office is the way the cost is offset. Did you not know this?
Further, Michael Moore has offered more free screenings of his film than most other movie makers. Besides his distributors showing the film for free to critics and journalists (standard procedure for pretty much all movies), MM has shown the film for free to doctors, nurses, and other health care professionals. He has held screenings for the insurance and pharmaceutical industry (although not as many showed up). And he has held free screenings for other groups. He’s entitled to make a living, and it’s not like he’s bilking the public.
Trying to hang a hypocrisy label on him won’t work. Next, please.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:09 pmMM fat poster child for the left/libs!
July 27th, 2007 at 12:09 pm“Every day we’re paying for health care, yet when we go to access it, it’s just not there,†said Pelton.
Comment by Flaco — July 27, 2007 @ 12:07 pm
Works the same way in the US though =P
Hehe, besides Flaco, we don’t have to have the exact same system as the Canadians. I realize you badly need to prove your point, but talking to average Canadians, they love their system, and are able to get the medical care they need, including going to a doctor, before something becomes a catastrophic problem. The US Health Care system is heading for ruination, because of HMO’s and drug companies, and insurance companies. Time to take care of American Citizens.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:10 pmMore publicity equals “Moore” money.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:11 pmMikeys not dumb.
MM is your modern day snake oil salesman.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:13 pmWhat I love about this story is the media’s unquestioning acceptance of the notion of the White House issuing a subpoena.
THE WHITE HOUSE DOESN’T DO THAT, YOU FREAKS!
July 27th, 2007 at 12:14 pmComment by Flaco — July 27, 2007 @ 12:07 pm
From the article you linked:
Raisa Deber, a professor of health policy at the University of Toronto, believes Canada’s system is one of the world’s fairest.
“Canadians are very proud of the fact that if they need care, they will get care,” she said. Of the United States, she said: “I don’t understand how they got to this worship of markets, to the extent that they’re perfectly happy that some people don’t get the health care that they need.”
Canada does not have fully nationalized health care; its doctors are in private practice and send their bills to the government for reimbursement.
“That doctor doesn’t have to worry about how you’re going to pay the bill,” said Deber. “He knows that his bill will be paid, so there’s absolutely nothing to stop any doctor from treating anyone.”
Deber acknowledges problems in the system, but believes most Canadians get the care they need. She said the federal government should attach more strings to its annual lump-sum allocations to the provinces so that tax dollars are better spent on preventive care and improvements in working conditions for health-care professionals.
So, the system is a mixed one and the doctors or hospitals are private and the government pays the bills they send.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:14 pmveritas,
Hi - just read the article posted on you url link about how Bush may react to losing the war in Iraq. Very interesting and frightening. I don’t like to think about Bush’s lack of conscious and his sadistic tendencies because it is so scary.
Thanks for the post.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:14 pmGO Mike!!!! Truth is the kryptonite of the RIGHT! I saw SICKO twice. The second time just for spite to the RIGHT, Take my money MIKE!!!! Smack Down The RIGHT!!!
July 27th, 2007 at 12:15 pmevilspaniard, i totally agree. my response was to the comment that all castro did was toss rich americans out of cuba. the embargo began because american investors and companies were thrown out of cuba, but it certainly continued because castro allied himself with the soviet union.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:15 pm#125 Yes, I know, lonesomerobot, I was only appointing some facts to trolls out here :)
July 27th, 2007 at 12:16 pmCanadian Health Care In Crisis
Free And First-Class — If You Can Wait
An estimated 4 million of Canada’s 33 million people don’t have family physicians and more than 1 million are on waiting lists for treatment, according to the Canadian Medical Association.
We first need to guarantee that everybody has access to quality health care,” she said, “and we just don’t have that.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/ stories/ 2005/ 03/ 20/ health/ main681801.shtml?cmp=EM8705
July 27th, 2007 at 12:17 pm“The World Health Organization in 2000 ranked France’s health system as the best, followed by Italy, Spain, Oman and Australia. Canada came in 30th and the United States 37th.”
Thanks for the link, Flaco.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:17 pmGO Mike!!!! Truth is the kryptonite of the RIGHT! I saw SICKO twice. The second time just for spite to the RIGHT, Take my money MIKE!!!! Smack Down The RIGHT!!!
Comment by SUE
July 27th, 2007 at 12:19 pm——————————————————————-
Oh he’ll take your money for sure and turn it into a cheese burger. :)
What’s up, Flaco?!
July 27th, 2007 at 12:19 pmWhat’s up, crimedog?!
heyooooooooo0O0ooooooooooo!
the embargo was and is a bad idea, but let’s not toss any sympathy castro’s way.
the effective means of getting rid of castro would’ve been to attempt to flood the cuban market with american products. castro probably would have resisted, but he wouldn’t have been able to blame america for his country’s isolation. cubans would’ve been able to see that it was castro that was making cuba a pariah nation.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:20 pmMM has your XXL flowered panties in a twist Flako…BWahahhaahahahahaha
July 27th, 2007 at 12:21 pmHeyoooOOOoooOOOOoooooOOOOOOOOooo Mr President.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:21 pmoh, flaco. so you’re saying you have no argument, just insults.
that’s pretty pathetic.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:21 pm#127 An estimated 4 million of Canada’s 33 million people don’t have family physicians and more than 1 million are on waiting lists for treatment, according to the Canadian Medical Association.
Comment by Flaco — July 27, 2007 @ 12:17 pm
Meanwhile, the USA has more people uninsured that population has Canada (46 million, that is, the 16% of the population):
http://www.usatoday.com/ money/ perfi/ insurance/ 2007-03-14-uninsured-usat_N.htm
July 27th, 2007 at 12:22 pmLooks like the reichwing Bears just don’t dig Mike.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:24 pm“Moore” publicity equals “Moore†money.
Mikeys not dumb just fat.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:25 pmHey imposter! FLACO
July 27th, 2007 at 12:26 pm#137,pathetic comeback used-douchebag Flako..You could teach a 3 year old a thing or two about comebacks…. BVWaahahahahahahahhaahhaaa
July 27th, 2007 at 12:27 pmMM has XXL flowered panties? cool:-)
Comment by Flaco — July 27, 2007 @ 12:23 pm
I think you missed the word “your”. Anyway when your done with the middle school mentality insults, want to get back to a discussion of the status of healthcare in the US. Are you happy with the status quo? Why do you believe we rank so poorly relative to other comparable cuntries (and some with far less resources)? What would you suggest for changes if any?
July 27th, 2007 at 12:27 pmUm, can he claim “Executive Privilege”?
July 27th, 2007 at 12:32 pmHow bout we run a health insurance in a non-profit way, instead of for profit? How about we care about people before money? How about we help each other, not hurt? How about a women in an emergency room getting the care she needs instead of dieing? If you think the US health care system is fine, you are either delusional or just plain stupid, your choice.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:37 pmHow about free condoms/abortions/marijuana for TPers.
Comment by Flaco — July 27, 2007 @ 12:33 pm
Okay that’s a start. Will these services be denied to nonTPer’s in your idealized system? How about the fixed income elderly and indigent? What suggestions do you have here? I also can’t help but notice you avoided almost all the questioned posed. Are you ill informed on the topic and thus avoiding it for fear you will seem shallow?
July 27th, 2007 at 12:41 pmMM should invoke Producer Privilege.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:42 pmKeep filming Mike! I see a sequel to SICKO just begging to be made.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:45 pmHas anyone ever thought what the REAL crisis is?…
Health insurance is used to pool collective risks together and pay for costs that arise from time to time from the collective pool of money.
Health insurance companies are for-profit enterprises. Doctors and nurses are for-profit individuals.
The problem isn’t lack of insurance or the profits of companies, it’s the absurdly high cost of health care itself. We need to make it easier for persons to practice medicine and become doctors and drive down the cost of healthcare.
When healthcare itself becomes more affordable, then we can all access the healthcare system without having to moan about insurance companies. Right now, we are so focused on the cost of health insurance that we’re missing the forest for the trees. When you go to the doctor, do you ask how much a procedure costs? No. You ask whether your health insurance will cover the costs. This is like ignoring the cost of food at the grocery store and hoping your insurance will pick up the tab.
Because of this mentality, there is no incentive to drive down healthcare costs. Rather, we get ticked if our insurance doesn’t cover the procedure (or we don’t have insurance at all).
This is all started with medicare. When patients are not directly involved in the market for healthcare, the costs go up and up and up. And all do is moan about the cost of insurance going up, and up… California’s healthcare crisis is a perfect example.
If you really want to effect change, start with the cost of healthcare itself. Focusing on insurance doesn’t solve the problem, and neither does forcing everyone to pay for a person’s heathcare. We saw this with public housing–if you receive something for free, you don’t respect or take care it and eventually get pissed when it runs down or doesn’t work anymore.
Posting abusive comments about others’ comments don’t work. Get off the Canada bandwagon and worry about fixing the problem here.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:48 pmYou asshats here at TP want the government to provide healthcare?
Good luck fools.
Comment by Flaco — July 27, 2007 @ 12:42 pm
Why do you hate your government? So about that adult dialoque about healthcare reform again. Would you like to give more info as to how a nation should best provide for their citizenry?
July 27th, 2007 at 12:48 pm# You asshats here at TP want the government to provide healthcare?
Good luck fools.
Comment by Flaco — July 27, 2007 @ 12:42 pm
Sure, but only after we get rid of the structural incompetence that hallmarks the Republican Party. Republicans campaign on government can’t work, get elected, then prove it.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:51 pmExample of the wonderful
Canadian government running health care:
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“These are not wealthy people; these are people who are in pain,” said Pipes.
Another watershed lawsuit was filed last year against 12 Quebec hospitals on behalf of 10,000 breast-cancer patients in Quebec who had to wait more than eight weeks for radiation therapy during a period dating to October 1997.
One woman went to Turkey for treatment. Another, Johanne Lavoie, was among several sent to the United States. Diagnosed with invasive breast cancer in 1999, she traveled every week with her 5-year-old son to Vermont, a four-hour bus ride.
“It was an inhuman thing to live through,” Lavoie told Toronto’s Globe and Mail
July 27th, 2007 at 12:52 pmGee JT, thanks for reposting the same nonsense, I like how it directly blames medicare, and essentially argues that any sort of government interference in health care is associated with government programs. Who wrote the piece? someone from AIE? An Insurance company exec? Please Canada has far lower healthcare costs then we do including prescription drugs, because they are able to set prices and negotiate them.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:52 pmLove all the comments. I haven’t had this much fun reading in a long time.
A comment to the website for Cuba’s Healthcare posted by Pizza the Hutts — July 27, 2007 @ 10:30 am: Reminds me of photos of Walter Reed Medical Center…
Please see SiCKO - he goes after all politicians for this national atrocity.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:52 pmKrazny, you make alot of assertions without proof. Google medicare and insurance crisis and you my proof. Yours doesn’t exist. I know, because I took the time to do research rather than merely post emotional little diatribes.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:57 pmPut that fattie on a treadmill in prison!
July 27th, 2007 at 12:58 pmPut that fattie on a treadmill in prison!
Comment by m12 — July 27, 2007 @ 12:58 pm
Why?
July 27th, 2007 at 12:59 pmI know, because I took the time to do research rather than merely post emotional little diatribes.
Comment by JT — July 27, 2007 @ 12:57 pm
Could you please cc M12, Flaco, Mr P, etc. Thanks
July 27th, 2007 at 1:01 pmAnother Example of the wonderful
Canadian government running health care:
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AP) A letter from the Moncton Hospital to a New Brunswick heart patient in need of an electrocardiogram said the appointment would be in three months. It added: “If the person named on this computer-generated letter is deceased, please accept our sincere apologies.”
The patient wasn’t dead, according to the doctor who showed the letter to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity. But there are many Canadians who claim the long wait for the test and the frigid formality of the letter are indicative of a health system badly in need of emergency care.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:06 pmAnother Example of the wonderful
Canadian government running health care:
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AP) A letter from the Moncton Hospital to a New Brunswick heart patient in need of an electrocardiogram said the appointment would be in three months. It added: “If the person named on this computer-generated letter is deceased, please accept our sincere apologies.â€
July 27th, 2007 at 1:06 pmHow bout we run a health insurance in a non-profit way, instead of for profit? How about we care about people before money?
Are you a doctor, Kranzy? Are you a large investor in the medical care industry?
July 27th, 2007 at 1:09 pmComment by Flaco — July 27, 2007 @ 1:06 pm
And you thoughts about the US system are? Try to be specific and cite both pros and cons. If possible try to avoid unsubstantiated beliefs and pronounciations of ideologue as fact. I think people have gotten the point that you do not like the Canadian system.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:11 pmWhy?
Comment by dbadass — July 27, 2007 @ 12:59 pm
His weight loss might save us healthcare costs that we can devote to illegal immigrants as he desires.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:11 pmDon’t worry, Flaco. ‘Universal’ health care will come to the People’s Republic of California, and it will fail miserably.
Then we will be rid of this mess.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:12 pmJust because you don’t have health insurance does not mean you don’t get cared for in this country. Our goverment does pay the bills for those who can’t. The Charity Hospital system was set up for this.
Taking away my right for privitized healthcare, in a capatialist society? Whats next, my home because some poor bastard won’t get off their ass and work. If I own two homes, and thats not fair to the poor, do I give one up for them? People in this country choose not to have health insurance. I know there are some who cannot afford it, but there are many others who can and choose not to. Why are we forced to pay for car insurance but not health insurance? Because there is already free healthcare for the poor!!! It may not be the best, but it’s f**king better than Cubas!!! This country is full of stupid people, and most of them are on here.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:13 pmHis weight loss might save us healthcare costs that we can devote to illegal immigrants as he desires.
Comment by m12 — July 27, 2007 @ 1:11 pm
This is an answer or “humor”? I don’t get it. Seems more like a dodge from the question
July 27th, 2007 at 1:15 pmHow much in taxes is Moore willing to pay for his health care plan? Did he mention a number, by chance?
July 27th, 2007 at 1:17 pmFlaco, if Michael Moore’s run-in with CNN proved anything, it’s that you can’t count on ou