ThinkFast: July 27, 2007
ThinkFast: July 27, 2007
Army Secretary Peter Geren is likely to recommend that a retired three-star general and six others Army officers be demoted for their roles in providing misleading information about the death of Army Ranger Pat Tillman. The AP reveals new documents suggesting that Tillman may have been murdered.
450: Number of points the Dow Jones Industrial Average fell yesterday, the biggest drop of the year, before it closed down 311 points.
“The Senate approved antiterrorism legislation late Thursday that grew out of the recommendations of the bipartisan Sept. 11 commission after voting overwhelmingly for a measure allocating $40 billion for domestic security in the coming year.”
“Steven Spielberg, under pressure from Darfur activists, may quit his post as artistic adviser to the 2008 Beijing Olympics, unless China takes a harder line against Sudan.”
Despite the “high stakes,” the Iraqi parliament is “deliberating at a pace to rival plodding legislative bodies around the world.” At yesterday’s session, half of the parliament members were missing, including “the speaker, the former speaker and two former prime ministers.” The meeting convened for just 30 minutes and was only the 50th time the body had met this year.
“The U.S. and its allies have delivered a little more than a third of the equipment in the pipeline for the Iraqi Army and less than half of what is destined for the Iraqi police, the Pentagon said Thursday, underscoring lags that Baghdad officials have complained about in recent days.”
In a strongly-worded opinion handed down at the U.S. District Court, a Pennsylvania federal judge issued a permanent injunction yesterday against restrictive anti-illegal-immigration ordinances in Hazleton, PA. The ruling declared that the anti-immigration law “prohibits Hazleton from enforcing any of the provisions of its ordinances.”
“Bush administration officials are voicing increasing anger at what they say has been Saudi Arabia’s counterproductive role in the Iraq war. … Of an estimated 60 to 80 foreign fighters who enter Iraq each month, American military and intelligence officials say that nearly half are coming from Saudi Arabia and that the Saudis have not done enough to stem the flow.”
And finally: On Wednesday, comedian Dave Chappelle “surpris[ed] staffers and fans” when he showed up to the Congressional Federal Credit Union in the Longworth House Office Building. “An employee of the Office of the Chief Administrative Officer who sidled up to Chappelle” said the comedian “playfully asked him what the ‘CAO’ emblazoned on his shirt stood for. ‘He asked if it was a gang,’” said the employee.
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Paul and Kucinich Team Up to End War
Thursday, July 26, 2007 – FreeMarketNews.com
Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) and Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio), both presidential candidates, are co-sponsoring a bill that would end President Bush’s authority in Iraq within the next six months, according to Raw Story.
“I think if you approach this from a constitutional viewpoint, we can join hands with the left as well as the right and come up with a solution and get our troops home,” Paul said on MSNBC on Tuesday. Besides Kucinich, 18 other Democrats have signed on.
***Kucinich and Paul have more in common than a desire to end the occupation. They’re both truthtellers and uncorruptable. Those characteristics mean much more than their policy differences.
July 27th, 2007 at 9:10 amThe Senate approved antiterrorism legislation late Thursday that grew out of the recommendations of the bipartisan Sept. 11 commission after voting overwhelmingly for a measure allocating $40 billion for domestic security in the coming year.â€
Its unfortunate that this very same Senate is unwilling to adopt legislation to end Bush’s terrorism in Iraq.
July 27th, 2007 at 9:11 amcheck fred barnes here:
http://www.newshounds.us/2007/07/26/fred_barnes_argues_bush_will_go_down_as_best_president_since_lincoln.php
July 27th, 2007 at 9:13 amIf Tillman was murdered on orders of the Pentagon to silence him, then those responsible must be tried for murder and given the death penalty.
July 27th, 2007 at 9:15 amRe Pat Tillman: They need to do more than just punish the people who covered it up, they need to reopen an investigation and do a real honest investigation this time. It’s looking more and more like Pat Tillman was murdered.
There were three gunshot wounds to his head closely spaced. There was no evidence of enemy fire. Doctors said that it is likely he was shot from 10 feet or less. Add that to the fact that they burned his uniform and protective gear immediately after his death and the subsequent coverup says that there is really something rotten there.
Pat Tillman had turned on the war in Iraq and was becoming a vocal critic. The Bush Administration couldn’t afford to have someone the public considered a hero, who was also famous, out there questioning the war in Iraq.
Pat Tillman’s parents are convinced that he was murdered. I think they are right.
July 27th, 2007 at 9:16 am30 days to absolute tyranny
by Alex Wallenwein http://www.opednews.com
(Now 23 Days!)
In an as yet un-numbered Executive Order, President Bush has decreed that your property – all of it – can be taken away at the sole discretion of the Secretary of the Treasury at the mere suspicion that you “pose a significant risk†of committing an act of violence with the purpose or effect of “threatening the peace or stability of Iraq or the Government of Iraq; or undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraqâ€.
An executive order only becomes law if Congress doesn’t overturn it within thirty days after it is published in the Federal Register.
Once this becomes law, he has all the tools Hitler and Stalin had to keep their respective populations in utter subjection to their will.
***Is posting anti-Iraq occupation commentary on TP a triggering offense?
July 27th, 2007 at 9:17 amWe have been saying here for years that Saudi has been a major backer of the insurgency in Iraq as well as the main supplier of hijackers to 9/11, but just now Dubya is figuring that out???
What’s wrong with all that great intel you have been getting from those illegal wiretaps all this time?
BushCo is like watching the Keystone Kops, only people are dying in this comedic farce!
July 27th, 2007 at 9:19 amWhat was Dave Chappelle doing there?
He should bring Wayne Brady to choke a Rep.
(Don’t get all huffy and puffy, Bill O. It’s a Chappelle Show bit. With Wayne Brady. Call off your attack dogs.)
July 27th, 2007 at 9:23 amPat Tillman was and is a hero.
Speaking out against the Iraq invasion was his biggest mistake.
Trolls routinely ask us TP posters why the Dems aren’t doing anything but investigations, not admitting that after 6+ years of ‘Bush the Lesser’ and a simple majority in Congress it’s about the only thing they can do right now.
Trolls, it took all of the 21st Century for Bushit, et al, to screw this up so badly and investigations take time.
In fact, WE’RE JUST GETTING STARTED!
July 27th, 2007 at 9:27 amPress Treats Rep. Kucinich Badly
Friday 27th of July 2007
by Jay Randal
US corporate owned media-press treats Rep. Dennis Kucinich very badly, by insinuating that he is a fringe candidate for President, but actually his views on the Iraq Fiasco Occupation are mainstream opinions now.
Dennis desires the immediate end to the Iraq debacle, plus complete withdrawal of all American troops from that quagmire, and restitution made to Iraqi citizens.
He has put forward a plan to use existing funding for Iraq to instead be used to pull soldiers out in orderly fashion and therefore to return them home alive to US.
Dennis also believes that VP Dick Cheney should be impeached for “High Crimes” committed in Iraq, and for his crimes in US, which 54% of Americans desire.
Plus he believes that Americans are entitled to healthcare, so he is the only candidate that proposes ‘Single-Payer’ plan, which Michael Moore advocates in Sicko.
NOTE: Rep. Dennis Kucinich is a serious candidate for President, who has very mainstream views that most Americans desire like ending Iraq War, plus he advocates healthcare plan that would benefit everybody in United States too.
(Jay Randal, political activist and writer in Georgia, USA.)
July 27th, 2007 at 9:27 amTHEY HAD TO KILL HIM.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/26/AR2006122601033.html
A soldier resisting return to Iraq – depressed and despondent?
KILL HIM!
The message has now been sent from the McCain/Lieberman Warmongers For Israel Tribe – “Kill or be killed!” His only other alternative was to be sent to one of the new CONCENTRATION CAMPS for those who resist the EMPIRE:
US CONCENTRATION CAMPS – IN WYOMING!
FIRST THEY CAME FOR THE MEXICANS, BUT I WAS NOT MEXICAN, SO I DID NOT SPEAK OUT.
NEXT THEY CAME FOR THE DRAFT DODGERS, BUT I WAS TOO OLD TO BE DRAFTED, SO I DID NOT SPEAK OUT.
THEN THEY CAME FOR ME.
July 27th, 2007 at 9:35 amIraqi Parliament and US Congress seem to have no power left in their bodies…
July 27th, 2007 at 9:35 amWhy not take a vacation..!
http://www.ringnebula.com/project-censored/2007/2007-story14.htm
Homeland Security Contracts KBR to Build Detention Centers in the US
Sources:
New America Media, January 31, 2006
Title: “Homeland Security Contracts for Vast New Detention Campsâ€
Author: Peter Dale Scott
New America Media, February 21, 2006
Title: “10-Year US Strategic Plan for Detention Camps Revives Proposals from Oliver Northâ€
Author: Peter Dale Scott
Consortiium, February 21, 2006
Title: “Bush’s Mysterious ‘New Programs’â€
Author: Nat Parry
Buzzflash
Title: “Detention Camp Jittersâ€
Author: Maureen Farrell
Community Evaluator: Dr. Gary Evans
Student Researchers: Sean Hurley and Caitlyn Peele
Halliburton’s subsidiary KBR (formerly Kellogg, Brown and Root) announced on January 24, 2006 that it had been awarded a $385 million contingency contract by the Department of Homeland Security to build detention camps in the United States.
According to a press release posted on the Halliburton website, “The contract, which is effective immediately, provides for establishing temporary detention and processing capabilities to augment existing Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) Detention and Removal Operations (DRO) Program facilities in the event of an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs. The contingency support contract provides for planning and, if required, initiation of specific engineering, construction and logistics support tasks to establish, operate and maintain one or more expansion facilities.â€
What little coverage the announcement received focused on concerns about Halliburton’s reputation for overcharging U.S. taxpayers for substandard services.
Less attention was focused on the phrase “rapid development of new programs†or what type of programs might require a major expansion of detention centers, capable of holding 5,000 people each. Jamie Zuieback, spokeswoman for ICE, declined to elaborate on what these “new programs†might be.
Only a few independent journalists, such as Peter Dale Scott, Maureen Farrell, and Nat Parry have explored what the Bush administration might actually have in mind.
Scott speculates that the “detention centers could be used to detain American citizens if the Bush administration were to declare martial law.†He recalled that during the Reagan administration, National Security Council aide Oliver North organized the Rex-84 “readiness exercise,†which contemplated the Federal Emergency Management Agency rounding up and detaining 400,000 “refugees†in the event of “uncontrolled population movements†over the Mexican border into the U.S.
North’s exercise, which reportedly contemplated possible suspension of the Constitution, led to a line of questioning during the Iran-Contra Hearings concerning the idea that plans for expanded internment and detention facilities would not be confined to “refugees†alone.
It is relevant, says Scott, that in 2002 Attorney General John Ashcroft announced his desire to see camps for U.S. citizens deemed to be “enemy combatants.†On February 17, 2006, in a speech to the Council on Foreign Relations, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld spoke of the harm being done to the country’s security, not just by the enemy, but also by what he called “news informers†who needed to be combated in “a contest of wills.â€
Since September 11 the Bush administration has implemented a number of interrelated programs that were planned in the 1980s under President Reagan. Continuity of Government (COG) proposals—a classified plan for keeping a secret “government-within-the-government†running during and after a nuclear disaster—included vastly expanded detention capabilities, warrantless eavesdropping, and preparations for greater use of martial law.
Scott points out that, while Oliver North represented a minority element in the Reagan administration, which soon distanced itself from both the man and his proposals, the minority associated with COG planning, which included Cheney and Rumsfeld, appear to be in control of the U.S. government today.
July 27th, 2007 at 9:37 amace, are you suggesting the police murdered him because he didn’t want to go back?
July 27th, 2007 at 9:38 amI’m not sure what you’re getting at. The guy took aim at the police.
UPDATE BY PETER DALE SCOTT
The contract of the Halliburton subsidiary KBR to build immigrant detention facilities is part of a longer-term Homeland Security plan titled ENDGAME, which sets as its goal the removal of “all removable aliens†and “potential terrorists.†In the 1980s Richard Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld discussed similar emergency detention powers as part of a super-secret program of planning for what was euphemistically called “Continuity of Government†(COG) in the event of a nuclear disaster. At the time, Cheney was a Wyoming congressman, while Rumsfeld, who had been defense secretary under President Ford, was a businessman and CEO of the drug company G.D. Searle.
These men planned for suspension of the Constitution, not just after nuclear attack, but for any “national security emergency,†which they defined in Executive Order 12656 of 1988 as: “Any occurrence, including natural disaster, military attack, technological or other emergency, that seriously degrades or seriously threatens the national security of the United States.†Clearly September 11 would meet this definition, and did, for COG was instituted on that day. As the Washington Post later explained, the order “dispatched a shadow government of about 100 senior civilian managers to live and work secretly outside Washington, activating for the first time long-standing plans.â€
What these managers in this shadow government worked on has never been reported. But it is significant that the group that prepared ENDGAME was, as the Homeland Security document puts it, “chartered in September 2001.†For ENDGAME’s goal of a capacious detention capability is remarkably similar to Oliver North’s controversial Rex-84 “readiness exercise†for COG in 1984. This called for the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) to round up and detain 400,000 imaginary “refugees,†in the context of “uncontrolled population movements†over the Mexican border into the United States.
UPDATE BY MAUREEN FARRELL
When the story about Kellogg, Brown and Root’s contract for emergency detention centers broke, immigration was not the hot button issue it is today. Given this, the language in Halliburton’s press release, stating that the centers would be built in the event of an “emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S.,†raised eyebrows, especially among those familiar with Rex-84 and other Reagan-era initiatives. FEMA’s former plans ‘for the detention of at least 21 million American Negroes in assembly centers or relocation camps’ added to the distrust, and the second stated reason for the KBR contract, “to support the rapid development of new programs,†sent imaginations reeling.
While few in the mainstream media made the connection between KBR’s contract and previous programs, Fox News eventually addressed this issue, pooh-poohing concerns as the province of “conspiracy theories†and “unfounded†fears. My article attempted to sift through the speculation, focusing on verifiable information found in declassified and leaked documents which proved that, in addition to drawing up contingency plans for martial law, the government has conducted military readiness exercises designed to round up and detain both illegal aliens and U.S. citizens.
How concerned should Americans be? Recent reports are conflicting and confusing:
In May, 2006, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) began “Operation Return to Sender,†which involved catching illegal immigrants and deporting them. In June, however, President Bush vowed that there would soon be “new infrastructures†including detention centers designed to put an end to such “catch and release†practices.
Though Bush said he was “working with Congress to increase the number of detention facilities along our borders,†Rep. Bennie Thompson, ranking member of the House Homeland Security Committee, said he first learned about the KBR contract through newspaper reports.
Fox News recently quoted Pepperdine University professor Doug Kmiec, who deemed detention camp concerns “more paranoia than reality†and added that KBR’s contract is most likely “something related to (Hurricane) Katrina†or “a bird flu outbreak that could spur a mass quarantine of Americans.†The president’s stated desire for the U.S. military to take a more active role during natural disasters and to enforce quarantines in the event of a bird flu outbreak, however, have been roundly denounced.
Concern over an all-powerful federal government is not paranoia, but active citizenship. As Thomas Jefferson explained, “even under the best forms of government, those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.†From John Adams’s Alien and Sedition Acts to FDR’s internment of Japanese Americans, the land of the free has held many contradictions and ironies. Interestingly enough, Halliburton was at the center of another historical controversy, when Lyndon Johnson’s ties to a little-known company named Kellogg, Brown and Root caused a congressional commotion—particularly after the Halliburton subsidiary won enough wartime contracts to become one of the first protested symbols of the military-industrial complex. Back then they were known as the “Vietnam builders.†The question, of course, is what they’ll be known as next.
Additional links:
“ Reagan Aides and the Secret Government,†Miami Herald, July 5, 1987, http://fpiarticle.blogspot.com/2005/12/front-page-miami-herald-july-5-1987.html
“Foundations are in place for martial law in the US,†July 27, 2002, Sydney Morning Herald, smh.com.au/articles/2002/07/27/ 1027497418339.html
“Halliburton Deals Recall Vietnam-Era Controversy: Cheney’s Ties to Company Reminiscent of LBJ’s Relationships,†NPR, Dec. 24, 2003, http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1569483
“Critics Fear Emergency Centers Could Be Used for Immigration Round-Ups,†Fox News, June 7, 2006, http://www.foxnews.com/ story/0,2933,198456,00.html
“U.S. officials nab 2,100 illegal immigrants in 3 weeks,†USA Today, June 14, 2006, http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006-06-14-immigration-arrests_x.htm
July 27th, 2007 at 9:38 am#
ace, are you suggesting the police murdered him because he didn’t want to go back?
I’m not sure what you’re getting at. The guy took aim at the police.
Comment by Wilco — July 27, 2007 @ 9:38 am
I’m not asserting that. What’s your take on a man who has become so despondent at returning to Iraq, that he would rather die than return?
We are all to blame.
July 27th, 2007 at 9:39 amAccording to the US State Department, the definition of TERRORISM is not confined to the physical act of killing.
Terrorism occurs when a state utilizes fear tactics against its own people to accomplish political objectives.
The mere act or announcing a falsely construed terror alert – or overplaying the significance of a plot known not to be viable – is itself terrorism.
Tom Ridge admitted that many of the Terror Alerts announced under his command were in fact phony.
Remember the run on duct tape?
That was a clear case of state sponsored terrorism by the Government of the United States under the direction of Karl Rove against the people of the United States to achieve a political objective.
Karl Rove is a Terrorist under the definition ascribed by the US State Department.
July 27th, 2007 at 9:40 am“What’s your take on a man who has become so despondent at returning to Iraq, that he would rather die than return?”
It’s absolutely horrible. There should be some program in place for such people to receive therapy of some sort.
July 27th, 2007 at 9:42 am#
“What’s your take on a man who has become so despondent at returning to Iraq, that he would rather die than return?â€
It’s absolutely horrible. There should be some program in place for such people to receive therapy of some sort.
Comment by Wilco — July 27, 2007 @ 9:42 am
Actually there is.
It’s called “Diplomacy”
July 27th, 2007 at 9:43 amIf only that were enough, ace.
July 27th, 2007 at 9:45 am“Steven Spielberg, under pressure from Darfur activists, may quit his post as artistic adviser to the 2008 Beijing Olympics, unless China takes a harder line against Sudan.â€
Just so long as he doesn’t stop filming Indiana Jones 4.
July 27th, 2007 at 9:49 amI posted about the Tillman breaking news last night in the previous thread.
From the article:
The key thing here: “three bullet holes in Pat Tillman’s forehead ” from an ” M-16 fired from a mere 10 yards or so away.”
That close, whoever shot him knew exactly who he was, faces are clear at 10 yards. He was executed, plain and simple.
Add to the fact Bush tried to cover up further by claiming Executive Privilege. In US Law, anyone who covers up a murder is as guilty as whoever pulled the trigger.
“likely to recommend that a retired three-star general and six others Army officers be demoted for their roles in providing misleading information about the death of Army Ranger Pat Tillman” is pure bullshit. They covered up a murder and they get demoted? WTF?
These people and everyone that covered up needs top be tried in on murder conspiracy charges. Bush needs to be impeached the tried on just this alone for murder conspiracy for claiming Executive Privilege to cover this up.
July 27th, 2007 at 9:52 amIf Pat Tillman was murdered to protect (by silencing him) and further (by hyping him as a hero, Jessica Lynch style) the war propaganda machine, this is unconscionable. Light needs to be shined on this immediately. Any decent American would agree.
I’m just waiting for a troll to claim that A) he was killed by enemy fire and this latest news is just a lefty plot, or B) that he turned out to be a “traitor” and murder was justified.
This is probably an appropriate place to revisit this message from Kevin Tillman, Pat’s brother (who DIDN’T get silenced): http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/200601019_after_pats_birthday/
July 27th, 2007 at 9:54 amIf Pat Tillman was murdered those who concealed the details are accessories to the crime. That makes them as guilty as the one who pulled the trigger. There is no statute of limitations on murder charges. Furthermore, I don’t believe that executive privilege applies to murder investigations. Investigation of this, potential, capital crime must be pursued. I urge you all to express your concern to your Representatives and Senators.
July 27th, 2007 at 9:55 am“When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.†-Sinclair Lewis
Insightful words from one of America’s favorite authors. Sadly, that day has come.
While our ‘top cop’ is lying to Congress our VP is lying to anyone who will listen to him. Meanwhile, BubbleBush is still talking to select audiences who will never ask a difficult question.
15 months to go ’till 11-08…be there!
July 27th, 2007 at 9:56 amMilitary’s Information War Is Vast and Often Secretive
By JEFF GERTH
“The media center in Fayetteville, N.C., would be the envy of any global communications company …
“The center is not part of a news organization, but a military operation, and those writers and producers are soldiers. The 1,200-strong psychological operations unit based at Fort Bragg turns out what its officers call “truthful messages” to support the United States government’s objectives, though its commander acknowledges that those stories are one-sided and their American sponsorship is hidden.
“We call our stuff information and the enemy’s propaganda,” said Col. Jack N. Summe, then the commander of the Fourth Psychological Operations Group, during a tour in June. Even in the Pentagon, “some public affairs professionals see us unfavorably,” and inaccurately, he said, as “lying, dirty tricksters.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/11/politics/11propaganda.html?pagewa
July 27th, 2007 at 10:00 amWow…I’m a little late to the party here, and I’m just floored by the recent Pat Tillman news. Just when you think this administration can’t stoop any lower, they surprise you once gain.
Pat was a vocal opponent of the war, so they murdered him and then used his bloody shirt to whip up more patriotic fervor. It reads like a Tom Clancy novel.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:02 amSpeaking of Pat Tillman, here is CNN’s coverage of the general who will likely lose his star over the coverup
VIDEO
July 27th, 2007 at 10:05 amhttp://beta.redlasso.com/Community/ClipPlayer.aspx?i=2db2b718-287b-47bf-94cf-d574e91703e9
Pat Tillman’s brother testifies:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Y-EwReGl88o
July 27th, 2007 at 10:07 amPat was a vocal opponent of the war, so they murdered him and then used his bloody shirt to whip up more patriotic fervor. It reads like a Tom Clancy novel.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
Maybe I haven’t paid as much attention to the Tillman story as I should, but I don’t remember hearing that Pat was a “vocal opponent of the war”. I think that his brother has become an opponent to the occupation of Iraq, especially after his brother’s death and the Army’s coverup, but I thought Pat Tillman was a supporter. Can you point me somewhere that has information otherwise?
July 27th, 2007 at 10:10 amMr. President
July 27th, 2007 at 10:14 amPat Tillman was murdered because he was anti-Bush and pro Noam Chomsky. The administration made him their poster-boy for the war. They couldn’t let him return home and start talking about his beliefs.
Bush claiming Executive Privilege over the reports of Tillman’s death makes him guilty of obstruction.
Yet another Impeachable offense.
I’m sure they’ll be a few more next week too. Pelosi, Conyers…Hello??
July 27th, 2007 at 10:15 amKeep up the good work Ace… the camp thing is just another piece of the puzzle… I hope folks are ready. These people have waited 20+ yrs to implement all the things they dreamed up while working for Reagan. Anyone who thinks that they are going to let it all slip away becasue a of a pesky constitution that calls for elections is mistaken. It can happen here! I truely hope I am wrong but anything is possible.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:17 amgummitch sez:
Sure…here you go.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:19 amMy lieutenant and I got into a conversation. The conversation was striking me wrong. And I lashed out. I looked at him and told him: “You know, I honestly feel that what we’re doing is wrong over here. We’re committing genocide.”
He asked me something and I said that with the killing of civilians and the depleted uranium we’re leaving over here, we’re not going to have to worry about terrorists. He didn’t like that. He got up and stormed off. And I knew right then and there that my career was over. I was talking to my commanding officer.
Q: What happened then?
A: After I talked to the top commander, I was kind of scurried away. I was basically put on house arrest. I didn’t talk to other troops. I didn’t want to hurt them. I didn’t want to jeopardize them.
I want to help people. I felt strongly about it. I had to say something. When I was sent back to stateside, I went in front of the sergeant major. He’s in charge of 3,500-plus Marines. “Sir,” I told him, “I don’t want your money. I don’t want your benefits. What you did was wrong.”
It was just a personal conviction with me. I’ve had an impeccable career. I chose to get out. And you know who I blame? I blame the president of the U.S. It’s not the grunt. I blame the president because he said they had weapons of mass destruction. It was a lie.
http://www.sacbee.com/content/opinion/story/9316830p-10241546c.html
July 27th, 2007 at 10:20 amRE: Pat Tillman.
Tragic? – definitely.
Was he deliberately murdered so he could not speak to Noam Chomsky? – Pure speculation at this point.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:22 amhttp://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364×715016
Noam Chomsky confirms that he was to meet with Tillman upon Tillman’s return. Imagine the PR disaster for the White House and the Pentagon if their hero had returned and publicly stood with Chomsky in outspoken criticism of Bush and Bush’s war in Iraq.
All we know for sure is that Tillman was killed by “friendly fire”, but as The Chronicle notes:
…[T]he medical examiner’s report said Tillman was killed by three bullets closely spaced in his forehead…
Whatever the true facts of his death may have been beyond that, this much is clear: Tillman wasn’t the White House’s hero or the Pentagon’s hero. As Dave Zirin writes in The Nation, Pat Tillman was, if anything, our hero. The real Pat Tillman, however, was erased, transformed into a cartoon image that is the complete opposite of the real man.
The very definition of Orwellian.
http://peakenergy.blogspot.com/2005/10/cheap-oil-as-illusory-as-wmd.html
http://www.pastpeak.com/archives/2005/10/friendly_fire.htm
On 04 September 2001 a demonstration was held in Jerusalem to support of the Idea of the State Israel from the Nile to the Euphrates. It was organised by the movement Bead Artzein (”For the Homeland”), headed by rabbi and historian Avrom Shmulevic from Hebron. According to Shmulevic, “We shall have no peace as long as the whole territory of the Land of Israel will not return under Jewish control…. A stable peace will come only then, when Israel will return to itself all its historical lands, and will thus control both the Suez and the Ormudz channel…. We must remember that Iraqi oil fields too are located on the Jewish land.”
What is “Eretz Israel?
THIS is Eretz Israel:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Israel
July 27th, 2007 at 10:25 amMr President sez:
Really? How else do you think Pat received three M-16 shells to the forehead at a range of ten yards?
July 27th, 2007 at 10:25 amIn 1994, Daniel Pipes wrote: “No Israeli political party today (not even Meir Kahane’s Kach) aspires to Israeli rule over all Eretz Yisrael.” That is no longer true. Avrom Shmulevic’s “Bead Artzein” aspires precisely to a Nile-to-Euphrates Israel–see for example
READ EVERY WORD:
http://utenti.lycos.it/Delenda_Carthago/israel_010904.html
July 27th, 2007 at 10:27 amWhen the GOP and Israel conspired to take down Iraq, and the American public subsequently figured out that the entire campaign was based on a False Flag Attack (9/11) and a willful campaign of lies and deceit, is it any wonder that the American people would turn against those found to be guilty of the BIG LIE?
That Israel and the GOP opted to enter into a criminal conspiracy was their own doing.
Revealing the truth of it is PATRIOTIC.
TREASON is punishable by death.
Why is the GOP fighting so hard to save Lieberman’s bacon?
Because he is an Israeli/GOP mole within the Democratic party, and a coconspirator in the coup.
The evidence is too abundant to ignore.
Choose sides.
I’m with the AMERICANS.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:28 amSure…here you go.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
I found a few more references as well, but they pretty much rely on the same sources. I did like the way the Coulter comments were covered here: http://tinyurl.com/bhhhw
That’s fascinating, especially in the context of the Army’s attempts to use him as a “poster boy.” In an article about his memorial service, there’s also a photo that looks like it was taken when he was a high school football player, with his hair down to his shoulders. I’d only ever seen the official photo with his beret and giant chin. No wonder Coulter was all atwitter about him (before the Chomsky revelation).
July 27th, 2007 at 10:29 amI thought Pat Tillman was a supporter. Can you point me somewhere that has information otherwise?
Comment by gummitch — July 27, 2007 @ 10:10 am
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/07/26/breaking-horrific-twist-in-pat-tillman-investigation/
This is the only one I could find that didn’t disappear while I slept.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:29 amReally? How else do you think Pat received three M-16 shells to the forehead at a range of ten yards?
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
To be fair to PiPPy (which creeps me out, and I apologize to everyone in advance), but it is speculation to suggest that this was done to prevent him from meeting Chomsky, specifically. So PiPPy’s sentence is literally correct, it just misses the point entirely. No surprise there.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:31 amWas he deliberately murdered so he could not speak to Noam Chomsky? – Pure speculation at this point.
Comment by Mr. President — July 27, 2007 @ 10:22 am
Irrelevant. If one conceals details of murder, one is an accessory. That’s a capital crime regardless of intent.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:31 amHas anyone trolled through the wingnut blogs to see how this is being spun there? Or are they following the usual strategy of simply ignoring the news coming out?
July 27th, 2007 at 10:35 amI wonder if the Sports Media will report all the details of the Pat Tillman case? Or will they obscure, muddy and deflect like the members of the traditional corporate media?
The sports media has been reporting, in extensive detail, the Michael Vick dog fighting story. Sports media tends to go overboard in a similar manner to the entertainment media on stories. It’ll be interesting to see if there are any reporters of integrity in the sports media.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:37 am#
Was he deliberately murdered so he could not speak to Noam Chomsky? – Pure speculation at this point.
Comment by Mr. President — July 27, 2007 @ 10:22 am
Irrelevant. If one conceals details of murder, one is an accessory. That’s a capital crime regardless of intent.
Comment by pete — July 27, 2007 @ 10:31 am
And any reference to “Executive Privilege” is an admission by the White House that the positive hero-worship cover story and subsequent obstruction of justice was all orchestrated from within the White House – and the desk of one Karl Rove – America’s #1 Terrorist.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:38 amOccam would say the prosaic explanation was murder by a subordinate. Maybe in retaliation for being called a “sniveler”. But murder to prevent a war hero to be flipped to a war protester is not beyond this administration.
Either way, it does appear to be murder and needs to be investigated. The Bush administration hates light, they operate in the dark and secrecy. Like vampires and cockroaches.
And like vampires, the only effective way to deal with them is to drive a stake through their black hearts.
July 27th, 2007 at 10:55 amPure speculation at this point.
Comment by Mr. President
Mr P, you’re a coward.
July 27th, 2007 at 11:04 am450: Number of points the Dow Jones Industrial Average fell yesterday, the biggest drop of the year, before it closed down 311 points.
But m12 says that the economy under Bush is great! Maybe m12 has no idea of economy?
July 27th, 2007 at 11:17 amU.S. District Court, a Pennsylvania federal judge issued a permanent injunction yesterday against restrictive anti-illegal-immigration ordinances in Hazleton, PA. The ruling declared that the anti-immigration law “prohibits Hazleton from enforcing any of the provisions of its ordinances.â€
Lame.
Nothing like once again showing that the US could care less about dealing with illegal immigrants.
Although this bit
July 27th, 2007 at 11:18 am“declare English as the official language and bar city employees from translating documents to another language without approval.”
Was just stupid.
The best place for Occam’s Razor are Bush’s Nuts…
July 27th, 2007 at 11:19 amEvil Spaniard
But m12 says that the economy under Bush is great! Maybe m12 has no idea of economy?
And one cold day disproves global warming…
July 27th, 2007 at 11:19 amAlthough this bit
“declare English as the official language and bar city employees from translating documents to another language without approval.â€
Was just stupid.
Comment by squegeeboo — July 27, 2007 @ 11:18 am
Specially when there exists a number of states where other languages are official ones… since a hundred years ago or more.
July 27th, 2007 at 11:20 amThank You all for your great post’s and link’s today…Blessings
July 27th, 2007 at 11:21 amEvil Spaniard
July 27th, 2007 at 11:22 amThe best place for Occam’s Razor are Bush’s Nuts…
You sir, should go into comedy.
Evil Spaniard
But m12 says that the economy under Bush is great! Maybe m12 has no idea of economy?
And one cold day disproves global warming…
Comment by squegeeboo — July 27, 2007 @ 11:19 am
Coldest, not cold. Guess you think that Oct 24, 1929 was just a single bad day.
July 27th, 2007 at 11:24 amEvil Spaniard,
That’s really good. Both a razor to his nuts, and Occam’s Razor would say that Bush is nuts.
Mil gracias ché.
July 27th, 2007 at 11:27 amNothing like once again showing that the US could care less about dealing with illegal immigrants.
Just because the Federal Government fails to do anything, that does not allow a state or local government to usurp an enumerated power.
Federalism and the Supremacy Clause – READ MOAR PLZ
July 27th, 2007 at 11:27 am#54 Evil Spaniard
The best place for Occam’s Razor are Bush’s Nuts…
You sir, should go into comedy.
Comment by squegeeboo — July 27, 2007 @ 11:22 am
*bowing* Thanks, sir. Just, please, please, don’t match me with John Carrey in the same movie. It would end being a drama, and the last movie of Mr. Carrey (gosh, how I hate that one-trick yammering mimo)
July 27th, 2007 at 11:29 amComment by Trekkie — July 27, 2007 @ 11:27 am
Your pro-illegal immigrant decision will be squashed in appeals. Enjoy it while it lasts. Don’t attempt to deny states their rights.
July 27th, 2007 at 11:33 amEvil Spaniard sez:
Did you mean Jim Carrey, ES…or did you mean John Kerry?
Interesting Freudian slip, there… ^_^
July 27th, 2007 at 11:33 amAh, yes, the Iraqi Parliament… a pretend Iraqi controlled government that pretends to work. As long as the US continues to occupy Iraq, the Iraqi government will continue to pretend to govern.
July 27th, 2007 at 11:35 amEvil Spaniard
Coldest, not cold. Guess you think that Oct 24, 1929 was just a single bad day.
What? Was it really cold that day or something? :)
Cats R Fly Fishn
July 27th, 2007 at 11:44 amAh, yes, the Iraqi Parliament… a pretend Iraqi controlled government that pretends to work. As long as the US continues to occupy Iraq, the Iraqi government will continue to pretend to govern.
Also, they like to pretend, I don’t know if you mentioned that or not.
Anyone being reprimanded for that silly made up story about that Tonya Harding type gal there. What was her name again… Lynch? It was a pretty cool storyline though what with the manly men storming the hospital to save the damsel in distress and all and damn if it didn’t play to sell out crowds in the sticks.
July 27th, 2007 at 11:48 amWas he deliberately murdered so he could not speak to Noam Chomsky? – Pure speculation at this point.
Comment by Mr. President
Why did I expect weasel words from you?
Why no outrage Mr. Pee Brain?
Fact: he was shot at close range, 3 to the forehead
Fact: He was shot with an M16, not an enemy ak47 as fist claimed and not a 50 cal as later claimed
Fact: His clothes, diary and personal belonging on him were burned
Fact: The government LIED and covered up a murder.
Fact: Bush claimed Executive Privilege to cover up a murder
Instead of trying to skirt the issue, either make comment on the facts or try to dispute them, anything less just shows your intellectual dishonesty.
I ain’t cutting you any slack at all Trollboy.
July 27th, 2007 at 11:48 am“Don’t attempt to deny states their rights.”
Comment by CT Scan — July 27, 2007 @ 11:33 am
I had to double check the time stamp; that comment belongs in 1860, not 2007.
July 27th, 2007 at 11:55 amEvil Spaniard sez:
Just, please, please, don’t match me with John Carrey in the same movie.
Did you mean Jim Carrey, ES…or did you mean John Kerry?
Interesting Freudian slip, there… ^_^
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 27, 2007 @ 11:33 am
Oops! Yep, I meant JIM. But looks as if the description of the yammering mimo has been perefectly understood :P
July 27th, 2007 at 11:58 amEnjoy it while it lasts. Don’t attempt to deny states their rights.
I’m not. States cannot act in an area where the federal government has the power specifically delegated to them (immigration policy is solely the province of the feds).
Again, I suggest you read up on Federalism and the Supremacy Clause.
July 27th, 2007 at 11:58 am#62 Evil Spaniard
Coldest, not cold. Guess you think that Oct 24, 1929 was just a single bad day.
What? Was it really cold that day or something? :)
Yep, in h3ll. A lot of inversionists jumped off the windows…
July 27th, 2007 at 11:59 amComment by Evil Spaniard — July 27, 2007 @ 11:59 am
Ugh… *inversionists*
Change that for investors.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:02 pmEvil Spaniard
Yep, in h3ll. A lot of investors jumped off the windows…
What can I say, a little defenestration can go a long way.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:11 pm“We’re seeing panic in the market — you can almost cut the level of fear with a knife,” Al Goldman, chief market strategist at AG Edwards, told MarketWatch.com yesterday.
Cue the trolls!
July 27th, 2007 at 12:12 pmEconomy in great shape!
Was he deliberately murdered so he could not speak to Noam Chomsky? – Pure speculation at this point.
Comment by Mr. President
Why did I expect weasel words from you?
Why no outrage Mr. Pee Brain?
Fact: he was shot at close range, 3 to the forehead
Fact: He was shot with an M16, not an enemy ak47 as fist claimed and not a 50 cal as later claimed
Fact: His clothes, diary and personal belonging on him were burned
Fact: The government LIED and covered up a murder.
Fact: Bush claimed Executive Privilege to cover up a murder
Instead of trying to skirt the issue, either make comment on the facts or try to dispute them, anything less just shows your intellectual dishonesty.
I ain’t cutting you any slack at all Trollboy.
Comment by Wayne — July 27, 2007 @ 11:48 am
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First post I read:
Pat Tillman was murdered because he was anti-Bush and pro Noam Chomsky. The administration made him their poster-boy for the war. They couldn’t let him return home and start talking about his beliefs.
Bush claiming Executive Privilege over the reports of Tillman’s death makes him guilty of obstruction.
Yet another Impeachable offense.
I’m sure they’ll be a few more next week too. Pelosi, Conyers…Hello??
Comment by Larry from C — July 27, 2007 @ 10:15 am
RE: Pat Tillman.
Tragic? – definitely.
Was he deliberately murdered so he could not speak to Noam Chomsky? – Pure speculation at this point.
Comment by Mr. President — July 27, 2007 @ 10:22 am
July 27th, 2007 at 12:36 pmWhat can I say, a little defenestration can go a long way.
Comment by squegeeboo — July 27, 2007 @ 12:11 pm
Yeah, it did rain cats and dogs. I mean, brokers and tycoons.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:36 pmComment by Mr. President — July 27, 2007 @ 12:36 pm
I said:
Instead of trying to skirt the issue, either make comment on the facts or try to dispute them, anything less just shows your intellectual dishonesty.
You can’t sit on the fence on this one and make troll comments that don’t mean sh*t
Your comment on the facts, not the opinions of someone else weasel
July 27th, 2007 at 12:40 pmI consider myself immune to conspiracy theories, but the murder of Pat Tillman makes me wonder, too. If, as someone suggested above, this was murder by a subordinate, why this elaborate cover-up? I am inclined to believe the aforementioned explanation. In a stress situation, almost crazy with fear, being told to stop sniveling might get a weak man to break, and then there’s that gun in his hand. Things like that happen. But why cover it up? And claiming executive privilege? I can’t get my head around this, unless…
July 27th, 2007 at 12:40 pmChuck Schumer is sinking the Democrats hedge fund tax plan!
http://www.bloomberg.com/ apps/ news?pid=20601103&sid=a9DpYagBpVIo&refer=us
Democratic Senator Charles Schumer of New York is fighting a plan to raise taxes on hedge funds and buyout firms with his own legislative poison pill: a demand that other powerful interests share any pain.
Schumer is expressing concern about plans by lawmakers including Republican Senator Charles Grassley that would more than double taxes on private-equity and hedge-fund firms or their managers. He told the Senate Finance Committee this month that he would agree to the proposals only if taxes were also raised on oil-and-gas, venture-capital and real-estate partnerships.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:43 pmFact: The government LIED and covered up a murder.
Fact: Bush claimed Executive Privilege to cover up a murder
No, that’s just you drinking the koolaid!
July 27th, 2007 at 12:46 pmComment by Evil Spaniard — July 27, 2007 @ 11:17 am
Kind of odd that TP (and you) didn’t post the 300 point gain earlier this month, or crossing the 14000 barrier last week!
July 27th, 2007 at 12:51 pmKind of odd that TP (and you) didn’t post the 300 point gain earlier this month, or crossing the 14000 barrier last week!
Comment by m12 — July 27, 2007 @ 12:51 pm
So Wall Street has earned nothing from that day “earlier this month”? So much for the powerful economy.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:54 pmReally? How else do you think Pat received three M-16 shells to the forehead at a range of ten yards?
The same way stonewall jackson did?
July 27th, 2007 at 12:54 pmSo Wall Street has earned nothing from that day “earlier this month� So much for the powerful economy.
Uh, you do realize the Dow is up 7% for the year?
July 27th, 2007 at 12:57 pmm12
The same way stonewall jackson did?
Um no? He was shot by a group of jumpy sentries, not triple tapped to the back of the head.
July 27th, 2007 at 12:57 pmDoes the M in M12 stand for money? Seems the driving force for some. I’ll stick with the finer things
July 27th, 2007 at 12:57 pm“An executive order only becomes law if Congress doesn’t overturn it within thirty days after it is published in the Federal Register.”
Ok, so where is Congress. Why are they not overturning it?
July 27th, 2007 at 12:58 pm“Does the M in M12 stand for money? “
No, the “M” stands for “mommy” and the 12 stands for his age.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:01 pmComment by barfly — July 27, 2007 @ 11:55 am
States will always have their rights, contrary to the wishes of crazy activist judges. Federalism is a different story. Get yours straight.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:09 pm#81 Uh, you do realize the Dow is up 7% for the year?
Comment by m12 — July 27, 2007 @ 12:57 pm
Yet the minimum wage rises 70 cents to 5.85 $ (once in ten years), that is, 70 cents / 515
= 1.36%; in then years, that makes a yearly 0.136%.
Great work with the trickle down. Who is exactly pocketing the earnings of the Dow?
July 27th, 2007 at 1:16 pmYet the minimum wage rises 70 cents to 5.85 $ (once in ten years), that is, 70 cents / 515
= 1.36%; in then years, that makes a yearly 0.136%
Why exactly is this relevant? And your division is completely wrong!
July 27th, 2007 at 1:19 pmm12
Why exactly is this relevant? And your division is completely wrong!
Once again, no?
July 27th, 2007 at 1:21 pmDemote a retired 3 star General? Ouch, that’s going to hurt!
July 27th, 2007 at 1:21 pm#88 Yet the minimum wage rises 70 cents to 5.85 $ (once in ten years), that is, 70 cents / 515
= 1.36%; in then years, that makes a yearly 0.136%
Why exactly is this relevant? And your division is completely wrong!
Comment by m12 — July 27, 2007 @ 1:19 pm
It’s relevant because “economy” doesn’t mean only the big shareholders pocketing stock earnings, but is going everyone economically in a country, not only the investors.
And, please tell, how is wrong the division?
July 27th, 2007 at 1:25 pmIt’s relevant because “economy†doesn’t mean only the big shareholders pocketing stock earnings, but is going everyone economically in a country, not only the investors.
And, please tell, how is wrong the division?
You’re off by a factor of 10, and that’s ignoring your cherry picked numbers!
July 27th, 2007 at 1:28 pmOh, I see what you mean:
70 cents / 515 = 13.6%. I did ate a zero. Divided per ten years is a 1.36% per year. Still far less than a yearly 7%.
The rest of my post is valid, altough.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:30 pmm12
July 27th, 2007 at 1:32 pmYou’re off by a factor of 10, and that’s ignoring your cherry picked numbers!
ouch, so he is, my apologies for the ‘No?’ above.
Cherry picked numbers? Oh, please, refer to this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/24/washington/24brfs-minimum.html?ei=5088&en=f0da2b41498c18a8&ex=1342929600&adxnnl=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&adxnnlx=1185557580-v/dYCbGXj6wAQA29PCZWQw
The data are official! It was published 7/24, just 3 days ago! Maybe I slipped with a decimal position, but you’re really deranged.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:34 pm“Friendly fire” incidents=a dime a dozen
An, aimed, 3 round burst to the face at close range=murder
Accessory to murder=major prison sentence
Murder of a front line soldier in time of war=treason
Treason=death sentence
Once again, it doesn’t matter if anyone ordered the murder of Corporal Tillman. Covering up the murder is, according to the law, the same thing. Powerful people could face the gallows on this one.
Also, please keep in mind that there is no statute of limitations for murder. This case will follow the guilty to the grave.
July 27th, 2007 at 1:56 pmIs this the first time that evidence of three close shots has been revealed? That makes for a totally different probable event. Friendly fire from 100 yards is pretty much ruled out, that had to be done from very close range. As in murder.
Let’s hope that the family, and the country get to the bottom of this. And anyone and everyone involved in the cover up gets three holes of their own for treason.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:09 pmEvil Spaniard
Bad news dude,
July 27th, 2007 at 2:13 pmEconomic growth is strongest in a year
It’s time to electorally euthanize the Republiclan Party. Anti-American, anti-democratic authoritarians.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:25 pmsquegeeboo sez:
Bad news, indeed.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:26 pmExpat,
I like the way you are thinking, and the way you put it.
Electoral euthanization? Classy.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:27 pmIs this the first time that evidence of three close shots has been revealed? That makes for a totally different probable event. Friendly fire from 100 yards is pretty much ruled out, that had to be done from very close range. As in murder.
I believe this is new information. And you are right. This is a case of aimed fire, into the face, at relatively close range.
Would it not be ironic if Bushco’s “smoking gun” was one of our own? I, again, encourage all to write their Reps and Senators urging the pursuit of this investigation. This is not a petty political issue. This case, potentially, deals with the worst possible crime against society. If this case is as bad as it seems; none of us are immune. EVEN TROLLS.
So, I urge you all to put aside political differences. We all owe it to our country.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:43 pmnanlichi, wish I could say I had copyrighted “electoral euthanasia” but I actually ran across the phrase from a WaPo blog. I too thought it was great and would encourage everyone to pass it along and use it in everyday conversation.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:48 pmTripMaster Monkey
Nothing wrong with a little market self correction. Sucks for any one who’s finances are predicated on selling a house in the short term.
July 27th, 2007 at 2:52 pmNo, that’s just you drinking the koolaid!
Comment by m12
Actually it is you f*ckwit , drinking koolaid, and being a rabid, lying ass troll
Its a fact the government lied about Pat Tillman from the beginning
also it has been all over since Congress asked for documents related to the Tillman case that the WH Claims Executive Privilege Over Tillman Documents
July 27th, 2007 at 4:25 pmComment by TripMaster Monkey — July 27, 2007 @ 2:26 pm
Thank you, Tripmaster, for talking about a single day of the stock market. Never mind the fact its up 7% YTD!
July 27th, 2007 at 6:14 pmActually it is you f*ckwit , drinking koolaid, and being a rabid, lying ass troll
Its a fact the government lied about Pat Tillman from the beginning
Even if you believe that, its not a fact that he was murdered! That’s just you pulling sh!t out of your behind!
July 27th, 2007 at 6:14 pmOnce again, it doesn’t matter if anyone ordered the murder of Corporal Tillman. Covering up the murder is, according to the law, the same thing. Powerful people could face the gallows on this one.
The definition of murder includes an intent to kill.
July 27th, 2007 at 6:16 pmI’m not so sure the overturning of the Hazleton ordinance has anything to do with being unconstitutional. I mean look at whom we are dealing with here. The Federal Government routinely violates the U.S. Constitution.
It is all about taking what they want.
When they seized control of California, after the passing of Proposition 187, they claimed it was unconstitutional. Then they had someone park it on their desk to keep it from moving up through the courts.
We have been dictated to ever since.
I wish you all luck with your attempt to restore law and order. Be ready to act. You’ve seen recent history unfold before you. We have no excuse like that we forgot!
July 27th, 2007 at 7:14 pmComment by m12 — July 27, 2007 @ 6:14 pm
Do repugs EVER concede that there is more htan one way to look at statistics. FYI – this was the worst week for the market in 5 years. Look it up.
July 27th, 2007 at 7:21 pmOil prices closed at the highest price in history. That will increase everything from asphalt for the streets to your grocery bill.
Do repugs EVER concede that there is more htan one way to look at statistics. FYI – this was the worst week for the market in 5 years. Look it up.
You mean the market corrected itself after having one of the best weeks in its history? Who would have thought?
Oil prices closed at the highest price in history. That will increase everything from asphalt for the streets to your grocery bill.
Guess you weren’t around for the Carter administration.
July 27th, 2007 at 9:25 pmArtistic advisor? What the hell is that?
August 6th, 2007 at 9:05 pm