CNN: Dog fighting worse than raping a woman.
CNN: Dog fighting worse than raping a woman.
On Thursday, CNN sports anchor Larry Smith commented on Atlanta Falcons’ quarterback Michael Vick’s recent arrest for running a dogfighting ring:
SMITH: Yes, well, that’s — he’s been in a lot of trouble lately, when you think about all the other incidents, and this is just the worst one of all. Keep in mind, too, that while Kobe Bryant is a situation we can sort of compare this to, this really is much worse. Not only can you argue that the crimes are much worse in terms of, you know, killing dogs and that kind of thing, but as an NFL starting quarterback, you are the most visible face in that city. I’ve said all along, in fact, you know, if you go through and, you know, very quickly name 10 mayors of major cities in the country…
GRACE: Larry Smith, did I just hear you say…
SMITH: … you could have a harder time doing that…
GRACE: … mistreatment of…
SMITH: … than naming 10 NFL starting quarterbacks.
GRACE: Did I just hear Larry Smith, CNN sports correspondent and anchor, state that crimes on a dog are much worse than crimes on a woman? Did I hear that?
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July 28th, 2007 at 3:06 pmYou forgot to add that Clinton did it, too.
July 28th, 2007 at 3:06 pmTo Misogynistic Rape-Public-Can Christian Taliban they are one in the same.
July 28th, 2007 at 3:08 pmComment by m12 —
Way to blow past the point, M12. Clocked you at 97 mph…
July 28th, 2007 at 3:09 pmComment by Marcus Aruelius — July 28, 2007 @ 3:06 pm
fast and true!
July 28th, 2007 at 3:12 pmYou forgot to add that Clinton did it, too.
Comment by Marcus Aruelius — July 28, 2007 @ 3:06 pm
Did he? I was under the impession all he committed was sexual harassment!
July 28th, 2007 at 3:12 pmAmerican Wahabbism
July 28th, 2007 at 3:12 pmWhat’s next, quotes from Lindsey Lohan’s bodyguards? The idea that someone that works for an outfit as good as TP would spend their time watching CNN in an effort to find some “news” to report to us is simply horrifying. Turn it off.
July 28th, 2007 at 3:15 pmNo, you freekin idiot – he’ got wrongfully accused.
July 28th, 2007 at 3:17 pmWow. That’s just unbelievable.
I’m outta here.
July 28th, 2007 at 3:18 pmOops, Larry made a boo boo.
July 28th, 2007 at 3:24 pmArf! Arf! (now where did I bury that bone?)
July 28th, 2007 at 3:24 pmGrace, STFU!
July 28th, 2007 at 3:24 pm“Did I just hear Larry Smith, CNN sports correspondent and anchor, state that crimes on a dog are much worse than crimes on a woman”
July 28th, 2007 at 3:25 pmHe did not say that crimes against a dog were worse than crimes against a woman. Not at all. He said that KILLING AND TORTURING DOGS is worse than raping a woman. I am not saying that I agree with that, just that Nance Grace, as usual, got it wrong.
I do agree that the situation Vick is in is worse than the one Kobe was in. Kobe was accused of forcing a woman to have sex with him and the facts were disputed. Vick is charged with running a dog fighting ring for years in which hundreds of dogs were killed and tortured in the most gruesome manner, and so far the evidence is overwhelming agianst him. Kobe got off, and I don’t think Vick will.
m12 don’t make me break out the list.
What kind of person, working for CNN, the Christian News Network, would say such a thing? CNN is worse than the mythical liberal media. They are a bunch of fake, spiteful, pseudo-Judeo Christians.
Good Lord,what is wrong with people in this world today?
July 28th, 2007 at 3:30 pmThere is something perverse about deriving pleasure from watching two animals tear each other apart. It doesn’t matter if it’s dogs, chickens, fighting fish, or pitting a Grizzly Bear against a bull as was done in early California. I think the horror of it all is not about crimes against animals being more serious than crimes against people, because they aren’t. The horror comes from watching the human participants enjoying such a spectacle.
July 28th, 2007 at 3:32 pmOh, I guess the filter trapped my innocuous comment: Ain’t that a bi*ch, Mr. Smith?
July 28th, 2007 at 3:34 pmWhat kind of person, working for CNN, the Christian News Network, would say such a thing? CNN is worse than the mythical liberal media. They are a bunch of fake, spiteful, pseudo-Judeo Christians
The what? CNN and MSNBC are liberal hellholes!
July 28th, 2007 at 3:34 pmI don’t need Nancy Grace to interpret for me, I can read what Larry Smith said for myself.
He said the torture and killing of dogs is “much worse” than the Kobe Bryant situation.
Just because Kobe Bryant was not convicted of rape, doesn’t mean the woman feels any less violated.
Dog fighting is an horrific activity, and should be stopped immediately. It doesn’t compare with the rape of a woman.
Larry Smith should choose his words more carefully.
July 28th, 2007 at 3:35 pmOK, Larry Smith made a really stupid comment. But just going onto Nancy Grace’s show is a stupid move.
July 28th, 2007 at 3:38 pmI guess there is a similarity in the crime. Both Kobe and Vick were screwing b*tches.
Comment by m12 — July 28, 2007 @ 3:35 pm
You are a lowlife, back birth. Your obvious hate for women in stunning.
July 28th, 2007 at 3:41 pmLarry thinks all women deserve what happens to them, but dogs don’t.
I agree with Larry Smith.
July 28th, 2007 at 3:41 pmAnyone who thinks that killing dogs, as I believe one poster pointed out, was more horrific, has never been sexually assaulted.
At least the pain is over for the dogs.
Women walk around with the stabbing, psyche-destroying pain for the rest of their lives. A part of them is dead, and they are expected to “get over it”.
It’s disgusting.
July 28th, 2007 at 3:44 pmComment by trueblue — July 28, 2007 @ 3:44 pm
Perhaps then, trueblue, we should give rapists the death penalty!
July 28th, 2007 at 3:49 pmI don’t believe in the death penalty, m12.
Nothing justifies taking another’s life.
July 28th, 2007 at 3:51 pmThis is a progressive site? From the comments it looks like misogynist wingnut territory.
July 28th, 2007 at 3:53 pmOne of my neighbors 4yr old daughters was killed a couple weeks ago, mauled by a mistreated dog. I think the things that dog fighters do to dogs are horrible. I think rape is reprehensible (of either sex). I think that certainly mutilating and murdering something, making it fear and hate like dog fighting does to a dog is worse than forcing yourself into something. I think I probably value a person’s body more than a dogs life.
Still, I think that if Vick did what he is accused of then he should get more time in prison and stiffer fiscal penalties than a person who raped someone.
Don’t make this a woman’s issue. This is stealing of a humans dignity vs the mass murder and mutilation of many many dogs. It’s a hard thing to moralize, prioritize. Regardless, it’s a horrible crime against all of us.
July 28th, 2007 at 3:54 pmLarry thinks all women deserve what happens to them, but dogs don’t.
I agree with Larry Smith.
Comment by Mr. President — July 28, 2007 @ 3:41 pm
Yes YOU would. Men get raped too you know, but whatever happens to you, you probably deserve it.
July 28th, 2007 at 3:56 pmI’m just going to have to agree to disagree with you, stupid for commenting.
I hope you never have to face a time where your entire sense of self is destroyed, whether you are a man or a woman.
July 28th, 2007 at 4:01 pmshane,
As disgusting and vile pee is, he; no one, deserves that. IMO.
How are you? It’s nice to see a friendly moniker her.
July 28th, 2007 at 4:04 pm:)
here. oops.
July 28th, 2007 at 4:06 pmIt’s sort of one step beyond the Andy Kaufmann hierarchy of the sexes:
God
Man
.
.
.
.
.
.
Woman
Dog
Just switch the places of the last two.
July 28th, 2007 at 4:17 pmOK, let me get this straight. There are two people in a dialogue, and one of them is Nancy Grace. One of them says something cookoo, and the other calls it out as BS.
In what crazy fairyland can you not faithfully predict which person in this scenario is Nancy Grace?
July 28th, 2007 at 4:23 pmWell, compared to Nancy Grace, dogs are more sympathetic beings.
July 28th, 2007 at 4:25 pmSex has become less sensational after so many years of Republican domination of government. Senator Vitter’s lack of moral conviction and lame explaination further lessened the importance of sexual misdeeds and crimes. Thus the MSM will lead the nation in moral outrage over animal cruelity and gambling involving man’s best friend and America’s favorite sport.
I confess, I would rather the rage be directed against the illegal war and immoral politicians that continue to lead us down the garden path.
July 28th, 2007 at 4:36 pmm12
Why did you call the Duke players “poor”? First of all why didn’t they hire white strippers? It is kind of reminscient of how the word “honky” came about. White rich kids driving to the black side of town and “honking” to the black prostitutes for service. Looks like somethings haven’t changed.
July 28th, 2007 at 4:52 pmI guess ol’ Larry Jones has shown his true “Homer” colors here; beiung in Atlanta, he knows the Falcons don’t have a prayer without a QB, so he is doing his part to makes sure the Vickster gets to play this Fall.
Don’t ya just love pro sports and their (selective) morality! Kinda like the fake athlete that roided up and killed his wife and kid after shooting them up and is being defended by the Roid-Rage Wrestling League. Ooops, gotta be careful…. that is the Trolls’ favorite show!
July 28th, 2007 at 4:54 pmMichael Vick is innocent until proven guilty. Now, go back to your beer, Jocks.
July 28th, 2007 at 5:01 pmThink Progress, get back to real issues and leave the infojocktainment to ESPN and Fox.
I don’t need Nancy Grace to interpret for me, I can read what Larry Smith said for myself.
He said the torture and killing of dogs is “much worse†than the Kobe Bryant situation.
Just because Kobe Bryant was not convicted of rape, doesn’t mean the woman feels any less violated.
Dog fighting is an horrific activity, and should be stopped immediately. It doesn’t compare with the rape of a woman.
Larry Smith should choose his words more carefully.
Comment by Rape Survivor — July 28, 2007 @
Who in the hell are you trying to kid rape victim? I’ll take my chances with getting raped with follow-up counseling and psychiatric help and eventually staying alive. Have you ever watched a video of a 5 hour dog fight as these poor creatures are enslaved and forced to rip themselves slowly apart in absolute torture and SLOWLY DYING. Get the hell out of here rape victim.
July 28th, 2007 at 5:16 pmI can’t believe that I still hear how valuable sports programs are in keeping the youth on the straight and narrow and can’t be cut while we struggle to fund the schools in my region. Like most, my school’s worst racists, sexists, bullies, and partiers are all jocks. So much for that. Kill the sports! Save the arts!
July 28th, 2007 at 5:18 pmComment by Rape Survivor — July 28, 2007
TROLL!
You are a Reugniscum MALE troll imposter of a woman…GFY!!!
July 28th, 2007 at 5:23 pm#41,
“Repugniscum” not “Reugniscum.”
July 28th, 2007 at 5:27 pmForgive me, dixieblood,
Perhaps you mean the dirt bag who answered rape survivor? – - the one who said, “get counselling”?
July 28th, 2007 at 5:42 pmI’m soooo with you on that, dbadass.
July 28th, 2007 at 5:42 pmI don’t believe in the death penalty, m12.
Nothing justifies taking another’s life.
You’re entitled to that belief. But certainly, while we are executing murderers, we can put child molesters and rapists under the needle as well!
July 28th, 2007 at 5:44 pmLarry thinks all women deserve what happens to them, but dogs don’t.
I agree with Larry Smith.
Comment by Mr. President — July 28, 2007 @ 3:41 pm
July 28th, 2007 at 5:44 pm————————-
The real Mr. President would not say that, but he would agree that the Kobe thing is not as bad as what Vick did.
pitman,
No decent person “kids” about such things.
Perhaps you need some perspective AND anger management classes.
July 28th, 2007 at 5:45 pmAs well as a healthy respect for women, which you so clearly lack.
Nothing justifies taking another’s life.
Well, how do you define “life”?
July 28th, 2007 at 5:45 pmBut certainly, while we are executing murderers, we can put child molesters and rapists under the needle as well!
Comment by m12
None of them should be put to death, m12.
July 28th, 2007 at 5:47 pmAbout 30 years ago in Manhattan, there was an article about a black woman who was raped by two men on the roof of a building. The two men then threw her dog from the roof, killing him. Someone (it may have been the woman) expressed some surprise that when the officers responded to the call, they were acting as if it was business as usual — UNTIL they found out about the dog. Then they went NUTS!
Things have not changed all that much.
July 28th, 2007 at 5:48 pmComment by Aristocles son of Ariston
Like I’m going to engage in that conversation.
July 28th, 2007 at 5:50 pm*eyes rolling*
Who in the hell are you trying to kid rape victim? I’ll take my chances with getting raped with follow-up counseling and psychiatric help and eventually staying alive. Have you ever watched a video of a 5 hour dog fight as these poor creatures are enslaved and forced to rip themselves slowly apart in absolute torture and SLOWLY DYING. Get the hell out of here rape victim.
Comment by pitman — July 28, 2007 @ 5:16 pm
You the hell are YOU trying to kid, you sorry sack of shit? I find dogfighting f*cking disgusting, and anyone engaging in it should be thrown in jail for a vrey long time.
You have no decency or compassion toward humanity.
July 28th, 2007 at 5:51 pmThat is so sad, Sandy.
A truly sad statement about the way women are still viewed and treated in the world.
July 28th, 2007 at 5:52 pmTROLL!
You are a Reugniscum MALE troll imposter of a woman…GFY!!!
Comment by dixie blood — July 28, 2007 @ 5:23 pm
I’m gonna disagree with you, dixie blood.
If you’re wrong, you just shit on a rape survivor. What does that make you?
July 28th, 2007 at 5:54 pmHi true,
Isn’t it amazing that some people can’t manage to drag themselves out of the stone age?
I love dogs!! I love my dog so much, I can’t stand to think of anything happening to her.
But if I have to make a choice between a human and a dog — it will be the human.
July 28th, 2007 at 5:56 pmI said almost the same thing, Zooey.
July 28th, 2007 at 5:56 pmI think she got mixed up between her and the dirtbag pitman, who highlighted her comment and then proceeded to demean her further.
Like I’m going to engage in that conversation.
*eyes rolling*
Comment by trueblue — July 28, 2007 @ 5:50 pm
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I didn’t expect that you would.
Sometimes libs make it too easy…
July 28th, 2007 at 5:57 pmSame here, Zooey.
Human vs. animal.
Gee,………what’s so difficult?
2 things in a burning building: a person and a dog.
Who do you save?
Please people, it’s really easy.
July 28th, 2007 at 6:00 pmI said almost the same thing, Zooey.
I think she got mixed up between her and the dirtbag pitman, who highlighted her comment and then proceeded to demean her further.
Comment by trueblue — July 28, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
If I’m mistaken, I’ll apologize.
These idiot men truly astound me.
July 28th, 2007 at 6:02 pmdidn’t expect that you would.
Sometimes libs make it too easy…
Comment by Aristocles son of Ariston
pee pee,
I’m not going to give you any quarter.
You keep choosing these powerful sounding, grandeur-seeking type names.
You are still the same whimpering troll.
Why would I have anything to do with you?
Puh-Leez.
July 28th, 2007 at 6:03 pmNo, Zooey, I don’t think you are mistaken.
:)
I think dixieblood got it wrong.
July 28th, 2007 at 6:04 pmSometimes libs make it too easy…
Comment by Aristocles son of Ariston — July 28, 2007 @ 5:57 pm
This thread is not about the meaning of “life.”
Sometimes you are just too clueless. Why do you feel like you have to PROVE how smart you are on a f*cking blog?
July 28th, 2007 at 6:04 pmSome GOPer rednecks love their German Shepherd dogs more than their wives.
July 28th, 2007 at 6:05 pmOr their Pit Bull dogs too.
July 28th, 2007 at 6:07 pmDid somebody call me a dirtbag up there?? I’ll never help old ladies across the street again.
July 28th, 2007 at 6:12 pmAll,
I apologize from my heart for misdirecting my comments to the wrong commenter!!!!!!
I’m very sorry to all!!
July 28th, 2007 at 6:13 pmSome GOPer rednecks love their German Shepherd dogs more than their wives.
Comment by Jay Randal — July 28, 2007 @ 6:05 pm
Yeah Jay, I think wives come somewhere after the moron’s truck, guns, 4-wheeler, tools, etc…..
July 28th, 2007 at 6:14 pmAll,
I apologize from my heart for misdirecting my comments to the wrong commenter!!!!!!
I’m very sorry to all!!
Comment by dixie blood — July 28, 2007 @ 6:13 pm
My apologies, dixie. I hadn’t read down far enough to realize there was some question as to who you were responding to.
July 28th, 2007 at 6:15 pmDog Fighting is vile…. unless were talkin’ about Coulter vs. Malkin
July 28th, 2007 at 6:16 pmno prob, dixieblood.
I knew it was a mistake.
:)
July 28th, 2007 at 6:17 pmDid somebody call me a dirtbag up there?? I’ll never help old ladies across the street again.
Comment by pitman — July 28, 2007 @ 6:12 pm
I would consider that a win for old ladies.
Scumbag.
July 28th, 2007 at 6:17 pmComment by Zooey — July 28, 2007 @ 6:04 pm
Ummm… If a lib says that:
“Nothing justifies taking another’s life”
I want to make sure that this isn’t another hypocritical statement made by a baby-killer.
I never really expected her to answer anyway… the libs never do.
July 28th, 2007 at 6:17 pm…dirtbag pitman, who highlighted her comment and then proceeded to demean her further.
Comment by trueblue
Yup, someone did call you a dirtbad.
That would be me. You are a dirtbag because you took her awful experience and demeaned her further.
Dirtbag. And if you think anyone here thinks you help anyone but yourself, you are insulting our collective intelligence.
July 28th, 2007 at 6:20 pmThat’s what it comes down to, prioritization. Picking the latter only makes a person less human in the sense of a basic animal quality of protecting the same species. However, in the colloquial use of the word, the same selection doesn’t necessarily mean the same thing. Many philosophies interpret all animal life to be equal (humans, as animals, have equal worth as dogs, also animals). Looking at it this way, the issue goes towards the capacity to return to normalcy after such a traumatic experience. I would take an educated guess (and cite no evidence for the lack of it) that more rape victims are able to return to normalcy (not disputing absolute normalcy, but a comparable degree) than dogs partaking in these fights. Further, I would estimate the survival rate to be higher among rape victims. Considering it from this standpoint, it is thus not ludicrous to arrive at the idea that such crime to a dog is more heinous to the rape of a human being.
Again, I do not purpose the conclusion to be the truth, but rather an interpretation and basis for not seeing those comments that “side” with the dogs to be ridiculous and subject to slander. Additionally, I do not subject this comment as a basis for misogyny.
July 28th, 2007 at 6:21 pmPresident, Well you would rather throw away fertlized eggs away then conduct stem cell research doesn’t that also make you a baby killer by your own definition?
July 28th, 2007 at 6:22 pmComment by Mr. President ——-
I see it’s back to it’s original fantasy name.
July 28th, 2007 at 6:22 pmIdiot thinks it can fool people.
President, Well you would rather throw away fertlized eggs away then conduct stem cell research doesn’t that also make you a baby killer by your own definition?
Comment by chad
Oh S-NAP, chad.
That was great.
July 28th, 2007 at 6:24 pmI want to make sure that this isn’t another hypocritical statement made by a baby-killer.
I never really expected her to answer anyway… the libs never do.
Comment by Mr. President — July 28, 2007 @ 6:17 pm
As if you care. You’re just trying to stir up shit.
July 28th, 2007 at 6:24 pmPresident, Well you would rather throw away fertlized eggs away then conduct stem cell research doesn’t that also make you a baby killer by your own definition?
Comment by chad — July 28, 2007 @ 6:22 pm
July 28th, 2007 at 6:25 pm——————————–
First of all, I am pro-choice.
Secondly, I am for embryonic stem-cell research.
Finally… sure, I’m a baby-killer.
This is Pitman again, I mean dirtbag. And here I thought I was such a wonderful compassionate person. I never realized I was blogging with a bunch of horny Nuns.
July 28th, 2007 at 6:27 pmYeah Jay, I think wives come somewhere after the moron’s truck, guns, 4-wheeler, tools, etc…..
Comment by Zooey — July 28, 2007 @ 6:14 pm
let’s not forget the bald eagle tatoos. I can’t believe she dating this guy…
July 28th, 2007 at 6:29 pmSo where does CNN rate dog rape?
July 28th, 2007 at 6:29 pmWhat a bunch of low class ass clowns.
Comment by Pops — July 28, 2007 @ 6:21 pm
You are so full of shit your eyes are brown.
Dog fighting IS heinous, and we all feel terrible that this type of thing goes on.
Yes, rape victims are more likely to survive — because dogs who are badly injured are put down. Dogs who have been in fighting situations are untrustworthy and dangerous to other dogs and people.
Women are treated in hospitals and in counseling until they regain some sort of normalcy.
Please, don’t make the mistake of thinking that anyone who has been raped returns to their old life and state of mind. That doesn’t happen. There is an effect.
July 28th, 2007 at 6:30 pmC’mon, pops.
The question is simple:
There is a person, there is a dog.
Who you save should be a no brainer. Sorry to seem impertinent, but really…….
July 28th, 2007 at 6:30 pmSome of the lunkheads in sports are just too stupid for words.
July 28th, 2007 at 6:32 pmComment by trueblue — July 28, 2007 @ 6:30 pm
I think “Pops” doesn’t realize that given the choice we would save the human first, but we would also try to save the dog, if it were at all possible.
July 28th, 2007 at 6:33 pmlet’s not forget the bald eagle tatoos. I can’t believe she dating this guy…
Comment by dbadass — July 28, 2007 @ 6:29 pm
And tribal armband tattoos. Ha!
Who is “she?” Someone you know is dating a guy like this…?
July 28th, 2007 at 6:34 pmZooey: With all due respect, I’m considering this from an objective standpoint. I addressed your last concern specifically in my post, where I stated “a comparable degree of normalcy,” which in effect would mean regaining a degree of trust in other human beings, etc. That said, I don’t believe you addressed a counterpoint. My interpretation of your argument leads me to infer that because rape victims are more likely to survive, the rape crime is more heinous. Forgive me, but the logic is lost upon me.
Trueblue: Honestly, the situation needs assessing. Under the basis that all circumstances are equal (likelihood of saving, etc.), I personally would probably choose the human being, but again, that goes back to the animal quality of perpetuating your own species. I would personally not take issue with someone that preferred the dog, again pointing to the philosophy of all animal life is equal. That said, I don’t believe the context of the present discussion places all circumstances as equal.
July 28th, 2007 at 6:39 pmHey Pops,
r u pseudo-Professor Mark Trollby?
July 28th, 2007 at 6:42 pmPops,
You are not going to stand in front of a burning building and assess anything!
Please.
I’m not talking gender, or sexual assualt.
You must agree that the human life in that building is more important that the canine life.
Of course when the person is out, then you can assess whether it is safe enough to go back inside for the dog, but really, what is there to think about?
July 28th, 2007 at 6:45 pmTrueblue:
You’re anaogy and thinking are pretty retarded. To prove it let me pose a question for you. Who would you execute first Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, Jeffery Dahmer or a seeing eyed dog that helps blind humans or the family dog that nearly every week saves his owners from unsuspecting fires in their homes? Or even pets that provide hope to seniors in nursing homes and the bonding and love that they teach little kids. You’re an idiot trueblue
July 28th, 2007 at 6:53 pmTrueblue: To put it bluntly, I’m not considering any factor outside of human and canine. I would foremost pursue the entity most important to me (by social/emotional ties, etc.); if they are of equal importance, the next criteria is the course that is most likely to succeed (be it saving the human first or the canine first). Thus, in an imbalanced scenario, I would give no preference to either simply because they are human or canine. In an ideal situation of equal circumstances, I would personally pursue the human life, tying to the concept of perpetuation of the same species. But again, I point to context and make the argument that the situations presented in this thread do not match the criteria for “equal circumstances,” which makes the scenario you present, in my opinion, moot.
Mr. NE0C0N!!!: I don’t understand the reference, but seeing as my time is unfortunately limited and I don’t estimate agreement, I will attempt to disspell anybody’s notion that I’m trolling by going on about my other business and hope that I’ve at least made a valuable argument while respecting others’ views. To clarify any further smear, I reiterate that I simply offered a point of view and do not purpose it to be the truth.
July 28th, 2007 at 6:57 pmCome on ppl, this guy is a sports reporter. He’s lucky if he has more than two neurons to rub together.
July 28th, 2007 at 6:58 pmMy interpretation of your argument leads me to infer that because rape victims are more likely to survive, the rape crime is more heinous. Forgive me, but the logic is lost upon me.
Comment by Pops — July 28, 2007 @ 6:39 pm
I imagine a lot is lost on you, Robot Man.
If you want to use that argument, then sure rape is more heinous because the woman survives. A dog who has been put down suffers no longer. Maybe you’d like to start putting down rape victims?
Thank goodness most victims of rape survive, but in no way are they EVER the same again. Something is taken from them, and that is heinous.
July 28th, 2007 at 6:59 pmNo, pitman,
That was retarded thinking.
I would not choose to execute ANYONE.
If you bothered to read any of the posts above, I already stated that no one should be put to death.
You didn’t even come close to comparing the situation I put forth, but it does show your lack of empathy.
You have my pity.
July 28th, 2007 at 6:59 pmOr even pets that provide hope to seniors in nursing homes and the bonding and love that they teach little kids. You’re an idiot trueblue
Comment by pitman — July 28, 2007 @ 6:53 pm
Stupid f*cking strrawman. trueblue already said she’s against the death penalty.
July 28th, 2007 at 7:01 pmAnyone who thinks that killing dogs, as I believe one poster pointed out, was more horrific, has never been sexually assaulted.
At least the pain is over for the dogs.
Women walk around with the stabbing, psyche-destroying pain for the rest of their lives. A part of them is dead, and they are expected to “get over itâ€.
It’s disgusting.
Comment by trueblue — July 28, 2007 @ 3:44
You trolls need to read this again, since you obviously did not the first time.
July 28th, 2007 at 7:02 pmGrow up people.
Do you seriously think he meant that statement with all his heart?
Second, to say one sort of abuse is better or worse is a slippery slope. The things done to the dogs after, before and during the dogfights should make anyone sick. Feeding them gunpowder. Electricuting them. Smashing them on the ground.
These guys had a “rape stand” for forced breeding. Female dogs were strapped to the stand and raped by dogs to breed.
The rape of a woman is wholly different than dogfighting.
Can we just call it that and move on?
Any intelligent woman knows that the guy said something stupid.
Finally Kobe Bryants accuser dropped her charges. Are we then, all saying that Kobe is a rapist?
July 28th, 2007 at 7:07 pmDisgusting.
Zooey: Just to clarify before I excuse myself, I am NOT making that argument. Rather, as stated, that was my interpretation of the argument that you were making. And like your outcry, I stated the logic of such argument to be lost upon me. I reiterate that I never purposed women to be the same after a rape. Lastly, I ask you to please not put words in my mouth or make suggestive claims without basis. I am not defending rape in the least bit.
July 28th, 2007 at 7:10 pmAnd Zooey, you’re another retarded thinker. A dog forced to fight to the death or one that possibly survives could only be so lucky to get medical care or counseling or compassionate care from a new owner. Instead, after the fight they are either hanged, electrocuted, drowned or beaten to death. After the rape we’re refering to, do you know if any of this happened to this woman, or is she just lucky enough to live with it and get help? What’s you address I’ll send you a year’s supply of Kleenex. Life’s a s— sandwich take another bite. Maybe you could be on the ground in Iraq and get all of your limbs blown off in this senseless war. How’s that for living the rest of your life? And yes I’ve been in war.
July 28th, 2007 at 7:12 pm“Did he? I was under the impession all he committed was sexual harassment!
Comment by m12″
Hey mommy12, since when is it sexual harassment when it is consensual? You really do need to grow up a little more before you start discussing things you have no knowledge of.
July 28th, 2007 at 7:12 pmThe rape of a woman is wholly different than dogfighting.
Can we just call it that and move on?
Then why did the idiot newscaster, whether sports or weatherman or anchor, say such a horrific, demeaning, thing?
And why is that something we should just gloss over?
What if he said all white men needed to stay home and clean and raise the kids like penguins do? They should put their needs last, for the mother and the kid?
What if he said men should not have any deviant urges, and should all be castrated, unless they are married and going to breed?
My guess is you’d have a lot more to say on the topic.
July 28th, 2007 at 7:15 pmInstead, after the fight they are either hanged, electrocuted, drowned or beaten to death. After the rape we’re refering to, do you know if any of this happened to this woman, or is she just lucky enough to live with it and get help?
Comment by pitman
Uh, YAH!
How many news reports start with “Raped and Beaten.”
‘or “Raped and Killed.”
What the H*ll is wrong with you?
Have you no feelings?
I cannot stand you or pops any longer. You make my skin crawl.
July 28th, 2007 at 7:28 pmSome of you are just looking for a fight. If you all don’t like what anyone has said about a raped woman versus fighting dogs and cannot do anything to change that comment, you always have the choice of moving on. I’m certain my comment will be turned around somehow by Zooey and the rest of the man-hating club.
July 28th, 2007 at 7:31 pmWhere did you comment? I don’t see your post. Please explain.
July 28th, 2007 at 7:33 pmTrueblue:
July 28th, 2007 at 7:41 pmlet me tell you what a shallow thinker you are. Men that participate in this heinous lawless activity of dogfighting are the individuals that rape women, are involved in armed robberies, killers, sell drugs, kidnapping, assault you name it they got it covered. You’re shallow thinking is pigeoned holed in rape itself because you’re a woman; you have blinders on. That’s why these issues are related and both equally serious in our society. Both living things experience pain, agony and suffering. Both are equally immoral, I’m sorry for you that you can only think one-dimensional. Not bad for a dirtbag huh??
That’s why these issues are related and both equally serious in our society. Both living things experience pain, agony and suffering. Both are equally immoral, I’m sorry for you that you can only think one-dimensional. Not bad for a dirtbag huh??
Comment by pitman —
You are not evolved enough to answer further.
Anyone with average intelligence can see the gaping hole in your pathetic arguement.
You also have my pity.
July 28th, 2007 at 7:52 pmOK, first I’m a dirtbag and now I’m not evolved enough. Actually, my job requires me to save the lives of humans on a weekly basis – how about you? I just happen to think that a truly compassionate person respects all of life not just their own species. As Gandhi once said “The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated”.
I’m out of here.
tenga cuidado trueblue
July 28th, 2007 at 8:06 pmI only commented on #104. I did not post on #105. Someone else took my name on that one…
July 28th, 2007 at 8:30 pmpitman,
Yeah, right. No woman has ever been raped by a “normal” looking or behaving guy, or her husband, or relative.
Uh huh. I hope no woman in your life is ever raped, because she certainly won’t be able to count on your support.
July 28th, 2007 at 9:08 pmZooey,
pitman is not worth it, nor is he worth stating my careers in the healthcare business.
He thinks he is far superior.
(How male of him.)
July 28th, 2007 at 9:21 pmthis reminds me of an argument on another board over who was oppresed more throughout history, blacks or jews. It’s a ridicuous argument.
July 28th, 2007 at 9:32 pmDog fighting and rape are horrific crimes that can only be commited by psychopaths. It is meaningless to say one is more horrific or worse than the other. Both are indefensible and who ever commits them are sick individuals that need to be locked up for a very long time.
Sorry trueblue, I feel for your views, but your assertion that rape is cleary worse than dogfighting is just as egregious as Smith’s. I just don’t think a sound argument can be decisively made for either side.
Never been assaulted, have you Stacy?
BTW:
I’m petting my 14 week old puppy right now.
If my daughter was ever in danger, I wouldn’t hesitate to drop her right off my lap.
July 28th, 2007 at 9:38 pmPeople come first.
Certainly Vick needs to be punished, but really……….
your daughter or your dog?
This is insane.
July 28th, 2007 at 9:39 pmTrueblue:
Ok, your kids and a stranger’s kid are drowning, which one are ya gonna save? We know you’re going to say your kid because you’ve already established the fact that you’re selfish. So what’s your point?? How does fighting dogs save children? I didn’t know it was a contest between dogs and kids.
July 28th, 2007 at 9:48 pmHow dare you, trueblue. Of course I have been assulted, I don’t know any woman who has not. I have never been raped, but my best friend in college was, and it devestated her life. She now is a rape counselor.
July 28th, 2007 at 9:54 pmI also ran a pt bull rescue for ten years and dealt face to face with the horrors of dog fighting.
Again, I am not trying to deminish the severity of rape, I am just saying it is absurd to argue that one horrific crime is worse than another.
Also, if I had to choose between saving my dog or pitman, I would save my dog.
July 28th, 2007 at 9:59 pmJust trying to demonstrate the absurdity of your anology, but seriously, who would you save, your dog or Karl Rove? Your dog or Sean Hannity, Your dog, or Osama Bin Ladin?
I don’t think it is a slam dunk that a dog life is less valulable than a humans.
Stacy:
I love you – honest – you have salvaged much, of my time with such a beautifully written response. You are a beautiful WOMAN.
July 28th, 2007 at 10:16 pmTwo years ago, a local Republican raped my daughter. I know he did it and I know that the local sheriff (his good freind) would do nothing about it. So I did something about it.
He dissappeared about seven months ago. Nobody knows where he went. I don’t think they will find him either as he is buryed deep in the ground and in an isolated place. Sometimes Justice gets served when Republicans do their thing.
July 28th, 2007 at 11:36 pmIt was a stupid comment. Both crimes (rape / animal cruelty and killing) are HORRIBLE. However we need to keep in mind that Kobe was accused of rape, and the ‘accuser’ went on to sleep with 3 other men in a 36 hour period, as well as brag about ’sleeping with Kobe’ to her friends and acquaintences. I don’t know but in my book it’s very questionable if there was an actual rape or she had $ $ in her eyes.
As for the crimes isn’t it kind of like debating which is the worst of the bad? For god’s sake they’re both terrible…
July 29th, 2007 at 2:00 amC’mon, pops.
The question is simple:
There is a person, there is a dog.
Who you save should be a no brainer. Sorry to seem impertinent, but really…….
Comment by trueblue — July 28, 2007 @ 6:30 pm
Well, it really depends. If the person is Dick Cheney, I’ll pay someone to make sure the dog is saved first. If the person is Nancy Grace, I’ll pay someone to make sure the dog is saved first (I’ll also show a picture of Nancy Grace so they make sure they know which dog I want saved). If the person is Paris Hilton, I’ll make sure they get the dog first (I know they’ll try to save Paris first, even if the dog’s a chihuahua since Paris weighs less, but the chihuahua’s more likely to make a significant contribution to society). If it’s a choice between a dog and Ann Coulter, the dog had better get saved if the rescuer wants to live past the rescue. (There’s just NO excuse for saving Coulter; even if the dog’s already dead, it should still take preference over Coulter.)
July 29th, 2007 at 3:03 amHaving read all the comments, something tells me that the poster “Rape Survivor” is either Zooey or trueblue, most likely Zooey.
July 29th, 2007 at 3:07 amlurker
Not their style. They aren’t afraid to post things under their own titles.
Anyway, back to the topic:
Rape, versus animal cruelty: Rape is worse.
A dog fighter may be a savage, cruel bastard who should rot in hell, but at least he isn’t harming our own species.
July 29th, 2007 at 8:27 amWho would you execute first Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, Jeffery Dahmer or a seeing eyed dog that helps blind humans or the family dog that nearly every week saves his owners from unsuspecting fires in their homes?
Can’t we execute them all at once in a gas chamber?
July 29th, 2007 at 9:57 am“Magic Underwear” Romney is a cartoon character. I wonder how long it will be before some good cartoonist makes a super-hero of him.
One can imagine the super-powers one could have with super-underwear.
I can see it now, a super-Chickenhawk mormon missionary in diapers that saves the world.
July 29th, 2007 at 11:38 amSorry, I should have said “in diapers, white button-up shirt and black tie”.
July 29th, 2007 at 11:40 am1) Why was Kobe compared to Vick? Because they’re both black? The argument right there falls on it’s face.
2) How is rape related to abuse of dogs or vice versa? They’re not. They’re both bad and they’re difference abuses.
3) When is the media and our culture going to start taking rape seriously as a crime? And all the related offenses against women such as domestic abuse, stalking, harrassment at work, etc.? How did we go from 1970 to 2007 and then back to 1950 in terms of respect and rights for women?
July 29th, 2007 at 12:36 pmI’m sure that many Animal Rights and PETA activists agree with Larry – sad.
July 29th, 2007 at 2:45 pmBoth Nancy DisGrace and Larry Smith were out of line.
Dogfighting and killing dogs are just as worst as rape. Smith should have never compared one travesty with another and he should have never appeared on Nancy DisGrace.
July 29th, 2007 at 4:28 pmlook, while Kobe is obviously a DICK, for doing that without permission, I don’t think it constitutes a CRIME.
I constitutes a Mercedes because he can sure as hell afford it, but I don’t know about a CRIME.
“Hey, let’s have sex.”
“Sure. I like sluts!”
“Hey, I’d prefer it in front.”
“I wouldn’t.”
“ouch.”
“Oh, sorry. That’s what I like to do.”
“you’re going to jail!”
“What??”
Just ask the man for an apology and MONEY because that’s a goddamned RUDE thing to do, even if it’s cheap groupie sex.
Ask first, fellas.
The dogfighting thing I’d place on an equal level….maybe.
July 29th, 2007 at 8:32 pmhurting a tooshie and feelings VS killing and torturing in an environment that is also often home to drug and weapon sales…..
After reading some of these posts, I’d say save the dog. It will help to reduce our own species.
Sports is about as useful as the arts. Both are a waste of time an energy. Math and science are all we need to progress and evolve as a species. I’m not opposed to keeping fit and not opposed to the use of proper language to better communicate with each other. But football, baseball, painting, theater, and the likes are pointless gestures to make money and create dissension. Sometimes I miss the days when we stood under the threat of nuking ourselves. Too bad we didn’t.
Math & Science baby, that’s all we need.
July 30th, 2007 at 12:16 amsaying something is “worse” then something is saying that it’s “better” at being bad.
ugly is ugly.
July 30th, 2007 at 12:40 amUmm… why don’t you start requiring people to actually use information that can be traced back to real people so we don’t have 12 year old boys spouting things their drunk daddy says at home.
It’s not alright to have people shouting their disgusting beliefs in a way that other people think they’re normal and acceptable.
Both crimes are horrible and every person should know that. If you want to make a stupid comment saying that dogs are more valuable than women, why don’t you use your real name and include your address to. Or would you rather just insult people and make them feel horrible while you hide behind a moniker. Everyone can be hurt, don’t think you’re a better person because you attack someone and they cannot retaliate because all they know about you is your an idiot who goes by a name like ‘pitman’.
July 30th, 2007 at 6:51 amAnd to Black Archmage,
Ever think about the fact that people use science and math and technology to make money so they can do the things they actually enjoy? Few people solely derive pleasure from the repetitive trial and error involved in science or the strict adherence to rules in mathematics.
July 30th, 2007 at 6:54 amAnd to Black Archmage,
Ever think about the fact that people use science and math and technology to make money so they can do the things they actually enjoy? Few people solely derive pleasure from the repetitive trial and error involved in science or the strict adherence to rules in mathematics.
Yes, I have thought of that. That’s why I long for the days when the human race destroys itself. It will happen. We as a special are too greedy and self centered. Maybe we wouldn’t have awful acts like rape if we weren’t. But no, we insist on raping each other and committing other heinous acts not only against our own but other species (such as dogs) as well. Perhaps after we have destroyed ourselves, math will calculate a better evolutionary species.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:00 pmOr
We could focus on resolving problems instead of subscribing to the fatalist idea you have mentioned. It’s those kind of thoughts that lead the world to the state it’s in. Think of economists who make the statements “In the long run we are all dead” as a reason to not worry about the long-run costs.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:06 pmI stopped reading the comments after a while, *but I have to, as the raging feminist that I am, say a big AMEN to pitman’s comment regarding the link between animal cruelty and crimes against humans.* It’s not an either or choice. A person who would treat this kind of cruelty towards animals as entertainment isn’t going to have respect for any other form of life either.
“We can judge the heart of a man by the way he treats his animals.”
July 30th, 2007 at 1:07 pmYou know I think some people are venting hatred on the wrong person. He didn’t say he thought rape was okay… He didn’t say he thought crimes against women were okay. He simply stated that in his opinion, torturing and killing animals is worse than what Kobe Bryant was accussed of. On the scale of “bad things” I put them about on par with each other. Of course everybody’s opinion of th scale of “bad things” is going to be different. A rape survivor may of course say rape is the worst thing in the world, possibly worse than murder. But nobody here is saying rape is good. Somebody who has lost a child in drive-by shooting will say gang warfare is the worst. Somebody who came home from Iraq after losing a buddy might say war crimes are the worst. Nobody is really saying anything any different. They are all saying that LIFE (simply LIVING and also QUALITY of living) IS PRECIOUS and should be protected!! Some won’t get what I’m saying and may think I’m inhuman for saying that (just as a lot are saying of Larry Smith), some will understand where I’m coming from in my feelings towards ALL life being precious (not just human life). For a large quantity of people, torture, abuse, killing, in any form for any creature, is equally “bad.” Does that mean I think rapists should get lower sentences closer to animal abusers? No, quite the opposite! I think animal abusers should get greater sentences closer to rapists. Rarely is animal abuse the “end” of crime. It’s more often JUST the beginning.
July 30th, 2007 at 2:44 pmI have seen the following argument made several times: “dog fighting is worse than rape because because it is a gateway crime, leading to even worse offenses.”
There are two logical problems with this argument. First, the slippery slope argument always has the problem of causality- you have to prove that animal abuse is legitimately a gateway crime for other offenses. Second, there is a false dichotomy: lets assume that sure, animal abuse is a gateway to greater offenses and that this should be considered in evaluating its severity. Shouldnt the same logic be applied to rape? ie: Rape is a gateway crime for worse offenses, and this should be considered in evaluating its severity.
July 30th, 2007 at 6:40 pmTo follow up- this argument seems to be saying “a person who abuses animals is worse than someone who commits crimes against humans because he/she will inevitably commit crimes against humans.”
July 30th, 2007 at 6:42 pmSteve:
Pitman? Because I, like Stacy, rescue them and know better than most people what great dogs they are. I have also participated in humane investigations and I know first hand that people that participate in this would kill a human in the blink of an eye. However, people just don’t get it, it’s not a damn contest.
July 30th, 2007 at 8:32 pmWhy should anyone be surprised by such a statement?
In the United States in 2005, 37,460 white females were sexually assaulted or raped by a black man, while between zero and ten black females were sexually assaulted or raped by a white man.
What this means is that every day in the United States, over one hundred white women are raped or sexually assaulted by a black man.
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July 31st, 2007 at 4:06 pm