Barry Bonds’ Homerun Race Puts Bush’s Steroids Record In The Spotlight
Barry Bonds’ Homerun Race Puts Bush’s Steroids Record In The Spotlight
With 754 career home runs, San Francisco Giants slugger Barry Bonds is one shy of tying the revered home run record set by Hall of Famer Hank Aaron. Bonds’ record will be “tainted by allegations he used steroids.”
In an interview with ESPN’s Karl Ravech earlier this month, President Bush was asked for his take on the Bonds situation. “You know, it’s hard for me to tell,” Bush said. Echoing a line he uttered in the early stages of the CIA leak scandal, Bush said he was waiting for the facts. “I know there’s a lot of implications, my advice is for people just to wait and see what the facts are,” he said.
An avid baseball fan who watches games in the Oval Office to relax, Bush refused to say whether he would watch Bonds’ record-setting homerun if he were the baseball commissioner. “You know, I don’t know, I have my mind elsewhere these days,” he said.
Sports columnist Skip Bayless — who was previously a sports journalist in Dallas — said on ESPN that the Bonds situation is difficult for Bush to discuss because he looked the other way on steroids use as manager of the Rangers:
I was there in Texas during those years, and I knew the President when he was owner of the Rangers. And I heard all the whispers around the locker room and the clubhouse. … I think he looked the other way. I’m sure George heard them also and looked the other way. … I think they [baseball commissioner Bud Selig and Bush] believe that Barry Bonds used steroids.
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President Bush was managing general partner of the Texas Rangers from 1989 until he was elected Texas governor in 1994. Several former Rangers — Ivan Rodriguez, Juan Gonzalez, Rafael Palmiero, and Jose Canseco — are all alleged to have used, or have admitted to using, steroids while playing for Bush.
Canseco authored a book about the prevalence of steroids in baseball during the early 90s and argued the Bush must have known about the drug use in the clubhouse. Bush has denied that he was aware of the steroid problem.
Should Bonds break the home run record sometime this week, Bush will face the question of whether or not he should call to congratulate the new all-time home run king and give legitimacy to a tainted record. It should be noted, however, that his hands are hardly clean on the issue.
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July 29th, 2007 at 4:19 pm
Ever see the video of George and Laura Bush picking their noses at a Ranger’s game?
July 29th, 2007 at 4:24 pmTwo words: Nose Candy.
um, there are enough legit Bush disasters to dissect and grapple with without having to make such weak and tenuous connections as this. Barry Bonds is also a big enough egotistical a** without needing to throw Bush into the mix. What the hell is going on with this site over the past couple of days?
July 29th, 2007 at 4:24 pmGo Barry!
July 29th, 2007 at 4:25 pmSteroids weren’t illegal when Bush was an owner. This is so petty.
July 29th, 2007 at 4:27 pmObviously Bush should be impeached over this. ;)
July 29th, 2007 at 4:35 pmMr. P, what happened?
July 29th, 2007 at 4:39 pmFaiz, although the topic may not be as important as others, I have to say that did a good job organizing the information and laying out the text and graphics.
July 29th, 2007 at 4:39 pmTOO MUCH TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 29th, 2007 at 4:40 pmI wonder if you can’t say B A S E B A L L and C O N S P I R A C Y in the same post.
July 29th, 2007 at 4:42 pmI agree with Kevin…what is happening to Think Progress of late? Darrell Hammond, Micheal Moore being mocked, Novak’s heaven, The Most Trusted Name in News (with Letterman) and Matt Damon/flex fuels all smack of TMZ meets TP – ack!!! (and no Thank You).
July 29th, 2007 at 4:55 pmCan’t we get a better national pastime? What an incrediblly dull sport. Seems mostly designed to entertain nonatheletic guys who are good at or like to remember meaningless stats.
July 29th, 2007 at 4:59 pmAnd why can’t they say batting 50%? Why inflate the numbers?
July 29th, 2007 at 5:01 pmBush was hardly the only person “looking the other way” in baseball. You could just as easily write that about anyone in any team’s front office — or on the field.
Bush is incompetent and dangerous, but baseball doping? This is just silly.
July 29th, 2007 at 5:01 pmWe have far bigger fish to fry than this nonsense, and I hate Barry Bonds on earth. If it’s a slow news day, TP, patience. We are dealing with the Bush administration here…
July 29th, 2007 at 5:01 pmGod.. are you guys
gettingpathetic with your posts.If you knew anything at all about baseball you would realize how asinine this post is.
No one manager can do ANYTHING about the steroid consuming cheats in baseball. The teams are franchises that answer to the MLB heads.
Owners are silenced by the league, you libs. should be on Bush’s side on this one.
By the way Bush was not the “Manager”.
This post is just another mark in the progressive loss column.
July 29th, 2007 at 5:05 pm*Yawn*
Athletes taking steroids is equivalent to actors or models having plastic surgery. They are just responding to want their fans ideals of what they should look like and how they should perform. Does it really amount to anything significant? Expecting entertainers or athletes to be squeaky clean roll models is just plain stupid. Especially athletes as they produce nothing of lasting value. It’s just mindless entertainment and bread and circus to keep the masses distracted. All the attention absorbed by hyped up steroid scandals serves the interests of the Bush regime as it crowds out real news and distracts the public from being concerned about policies that really effect our lives.
July 29th, 2007 at 5:08 pmI’m sure George heard them also and looked the other way.
If by “looking the other way” you mean into a mirror snorting a line of cocaine, I agree. Otherwise he was drunk or asleep and not looking at sh!t!
July 29th, 2007 at 5:09 pmI went to baseball games when I was younger, and watched Barry Bonds play. He was a great player, as well as a great man. I wonder what he’d think of his son now?
On topic: The Chimp never could do anything right. This is no big surprise, except that it’s not as lethal as his current f*ck ups.
July 29th, 2007 at 5:10 pmBaseball added steroid testing in 1999 and some designer steroids were not illegal until 2004.
There is alot to hit Bush on, but this article is bull.
Like removing regulars poster’s posts, yet leaving troll droppings, like my censored/deleted Pelosi post this morning, I am really wondering about TP and the direction it is going.
Bonds also hasn’t tested positive either, so it is speculation and hearsay on him also as far as I am concerned.
July 29th, 2007 at 5:12 pmComment by Snowball — July 29, 2007 @ 5:08 pm
He A$$HOLE!!
And when one of these hopped up f*cktards kills his wife and only son who is retarted over the course of 2 days then “It’s just mindless entertainment and bread and circus to keep the masses distracted.” in your spasmed brain, right f*cktard???
You are a completely USELESS WASTE OF DNA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 29th, 2007 at 5:15 pmSteroid use increases populations of ectodermal yeasts as they (steroids) inhibit aspects of the immune system which hinder such colonies.
July 29th, 2007 at 5:17 pmHey guys, there is more to this story than what you think.
I had a post deleted that was a little too truthful (if you know what I mean). I’m sure ace can fill you in on his plunger website.
hint:
b______l, B__h, O_l, n____s, C_______________________________!
July 29th, 2007 at 5:19 pmComment by dixie blood — July 29, 2007 @ 5:15 pm
Get a life mouthbreater. Talk about being a useless waste of DNA, you’re the one that’s obsessed with meaningless trivia that effects your life not one iota. As an example of how this is just a phony hyped up distraction, I just listened to NPR do a ten minute report on Bonds and steroids. In that time they could have reported on many things of importance that are essential for the public to know to be fully informed participants in a democratic society. If you don’t like athletes taking steroids, I suggest that you stop feeding into this national distraction and spend your money on something else more important.
July 29th, 2007 at 5:23 pmWhile dixie blood has a point, and steroid use is an issue that should be addressed at some level, I really have to agree with Snowball:
All the attention absorbed by hyped up steroid scandals serves the interests of the Bush regime as it crowds out real news and distracts the public from being concerned about policies that really effect our lives.
Comment by Snowball — July 29, 2007 @ 5:08 pm
July 29th, 2007 at 5:24 pmComment by Snowball — July 29, 2007 @ 5:23 pm
THANK YOU MORON!!!
July 29th, 2007 at 5:24 pmBonds also hasn’t tested positive either, so it is speculation and hearsay on him also as far as I am concerned.
Comment by Wayne — July 29, 2007 @ 5:12 pm
You still here, Wayne?
July 29th, 2007 at 5:25 pmTP hates Egreggious and Mr. P.
July 29th, 2007 at 5:25 pmJeeeeezus H. Criminy, there, Wayne, the dude’s head is the size of a beach ball, and his feet are like water skis.
Bonds is a cheat, and a loser, and should be shunned. Hank will always hold the real record in the hearts of Americans until a clean kid breaks it.
And no doubt Bush looked the other way — he was trying to snort up a line at the time so he had to look down.
July 29th, 2007 at 5:25 pmSay, who wants to talk about the best State ever… VIRGINIA!!!?!!!!
July 29th, 2007 at 5:26 pmSteroid use increases populations of ectodermal yeasts as they (steroids) inhibit aspects of the immune system which hinder such colonies.
Comment by dbadass — July 29, 2007 @ 5:17 pm
So…monster yeast infections, in addition to all the other “perks” of steroid use? :P
July 29th, 2007 at 5:26 pmNay, egg.
TP loves us! Even thought a good 1/4 of my posts don’t make it through, and then when they do, another 1/4 get deleted because the libs are offended for some reason.
July 29th, 2007 at 5:28 pmBush on Rafael Palmeiro:
July 29th, 2007 at 5:28 pm“He’s a friend. He’s testified in public, and I believe him.” (8/2/05)
That should be “Nah, Egg”
“Nay” works, but it sounds kind of jack*ssish.
July 29th, 2007 at 5:29 pmComment by dixie blood — July 29, 2007 @ 5:24 pm
Heh, you truly are one pathetic troll. Sounds like you’re about to burst that vein pulsating in your forehead. You are very close to becoming completely unraveled. Sounds to me as if you are about as dangerous and over emotional as any nutcase that kills his family. :)
July 29th, 2007 at 5:30 pm“Nay†works, but it sounds kind of jack*ssish.
Comment by Mr. President — July 29, 2007 @ 5:29 pm
All your stuff sounds jackass-ish, Mr Pee.
July 29th, 2007 at 5:31 pmYou still here, Wayne?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Yeah, at work today.
July 29th, 2007 at 5:32 pmStill pissed over TP censoring my anti-Tableless Pelosi post this morning and leaving troll droppings. heh
All your stuff sounds jackass-ish, Mr Pee.
Comment by Zooey — July 29, 2007 @ 5:31 pm
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Ha ha!
I got you to say “jackassish.”
Now try to say it three times fast!
July 29th, 2007 at 5:35 pmI got you to say “jackassish.â€
Now try to say it three times fast!
Comment by Mr. President — July 29, 2007 @ 5:35 pm
Mr. P, CT, Flaco.
There. I did it.
July 29th, 2007 at 5:35 pmComment by Wayne — July 29, 2007 @ 5:32 pm
I saw your Pelosi comment this morning, Wayne. It certainly wasn’t anything over the top or offensive.
Maybe the troll “r” is on moderation duty today, along with his box of tissues.
July 29th, 2007 at 5:36 pmMr. P, CT, Flaco.
There. I did it.
Comment by Egreggious — July 29, 2007 @ 5:35 pm
That’s what I was gonna do!! Heh.
July 29th, 2007 at 5:37 pms
July 29th, 2007 at 5:37 pmAll the attention absorbed by hyped up steroid scandals serves the interests of the Bush regime as it crowds out real news and distracts the public from being concerned about policies that really effect our lives.
Comment by Snowball — July 29, 2007 @ 5:08 pm
Comment by Egreggious — July 29, 2007 @ 5:24 pm
Here’s a link:
http://www.anabolicsmall.com/steroid_risks.html
We don’t know how many people hvae died at the hands of people on ‘roids! Killed by road ragers, bouncers, cops, criminals, hopped up parents, on and on and on…etc. We know there are more than there should be and that ‘roids need to be outlawed maybe more than a bag of pot for example!!!
Maybe we should let people have heroin too. They only hurt themselves, riiiight??? And it’s “entertainment.”
July 29th, 2007 at 5:38 pmThe news is filled with steroid abuse, Vick’s dog fights, the latest blonde from Hollywood that went to jail…
…and I would bet a good portion of America couldn’t even tell you who Alberto Gonzalez is.
July 29th, 2007 at 5:41 pmBonds is a cheat, and a loser, and should be shunned. Hank will always hold the real record in the hearts of Americans until a clean kid breaks it.
Comment by trippin
So, instead of being innocent untill proven guilty, Bonds is guilty by gossip and speculation. Like I said, he has never been tested positive and has never been caught with illegal steroids.
Don’t get me wrong, steroids should be illegal and anyone using in sports should be banned from the sport. Steroids are dangerous when abused.
That said, the docs used steroids on me when after my leg surgeries ( my right leg bones were shattered in Desert Storm) they were rebuild my atrophied muscles in my legs. So steroids when used properly have their place in medicine.
This country has really gone to crap in the last 6 years, and it is not just the Republicans. Everyone is guilty, except your selected party and the people you support.
real nice.
When Bonds is tested positive or is found guilty in a court of law, then I can jump on that bandwagon.
Until then this is a crap story.
July 29th, 2007 at 5:43 pmSorry, Wayne. I was stunned at the time.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 29, 2007 @ 5:40 pm
They get high on the blood of dead Soldiers.
Bill O’Reilly will report that these quotes were found at the liberal website ThinkProgress.
July 29th, 2007 at 5:45 pmComment by dixie blood — July 29, 2007 @ 5:38 pm
I’ll certainly agree that steroids are probably more dangerous than pot. All I’m saying is that if this gets you so upset, stop patronizing professional sports.
BTW, now NPR is doing another steroid report, this time on that bike race in France. That makes about 20 minutes of airtime, about 1/4 of the hour long program, devoted to this topic. With all that’s going on these days, I find that an absurd priority for a news show to dedicate so much time to.
July 29th, 2007 at 5:45 pmBill O’Reilly will report that these quotes were found at the liberal website ThinkProgress.
Comment by Egreggious — July 29, 2007 @ 5:45 pm
That’s my point, Eg. That’s why I want to bring this up. This is so ugly.
Not sure, Eg, but I think there’s been a namejacker going around using your name here today. Some very “unEg-like” comments getting left w/ your name on them.
July 29th, 2007 at 5:47 pmNot sure, Eg, but I think there’s been a namejacker going around using your name here today. Some very “unEg-like†comments getting left w/ your name on them.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 29, 2007 @ 5:47 pm
I don’t think I’m being hijacked, TRoS. I just have a weird sense of humor when I haven’t had enough sleep. I apologize if I’m not up to par today.
July 29th, 2007 at 5:49 pm“Bush has denied that he was aware of the steroid problem.”
Bush is incapable of being aware of any problems. Life in his bubble is that everything works out the way HE wants it to. Then when someone tells him that there is a problem, he fires that person and hires someone else who will tell him that there is not a problem.
July 29th, 2007 at 5:49 pmI apologize if I’m not up to par today.
Comment by Egreggious — July 29, 2007 @ 5:49 pm
“s’okay…”
July 29th, 2007 at 5:51 pmWhy would his guys using a little “juice” bother Georgie?? After all, he boasted about taking drugs when his father lived in the White House.
July 29th, 2007 at 5:52 pmTRoS,
I know I’ve disagreed with some of our libruls today as well, for example, on whether Virginia has any redeeming qualities. I understand that people were just dissing Mr. P and CT, but it was at the expense of what I am sure are some fine Virginian people and a beautiful state (from what I know of it).
July 29th, 2007 at 5:53 pmBubble Boy needs to just end his statement like this: “I’ve never been aware”. He’s never been aware that there’s there’s a universe out there. Poor lil’bush Bubble Boy.
July 29th, 2007 at 5:53 pmIt should be noted, however, that his hands are hardly clean on the issue.
and that would explain the SOTU speech decrying
and calling for investigations of steroids!
bizarro opposite world !
July 29th, 2007 at 5:55 pm.
With the flake-off on these threads, I can see it’s not worth hanging around. Catch you later, TP Buddies. Sorry, but I can’t spare the time to fight with trolls who are name jacking every one of us. Poor, pathetic dweebs who have nothing better to do than to spew their inane and irrelevant drivel here on these threads.
July 29th, 2007 at 5:56 pmI understand that people were just dissing Mr. P and CT, but it was at the expense of what I am sure are some fine Virginian people and a beautiful state (from what I know of it).
Comment by Egreggious — July 29, 2007 @ 5:53 pm
Just feeling a little edgy myself to day, Eg…
July 29th, 2007 at 5:56 pmThe only thing which is apparent vis-a-vis Bush and steroids is that all you have to do is take one look at that puny, amuscular physique and you KNOW that the Chimp’s definitely not on the juice. Ewwww…maybe we can pay someone to proposition him which would surely lead to impeachment??? Don’t think so….
July 29th, 2007 at 5:57 pmJust feeling a little edgy myself to day, Eg…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 29, 2007 @ 5:56 pm
You seem brilliant (as usual) to me, TRoS! Keep on knocking them down.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:01 pmBush was too busy snorting cocaine during that time to notice players using Steroids.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:03 pmRepublic and Egg: I can echo your sentiments and empathize with that edginess the constant troll blather causes – which is precisely why I often take a break from these trolls. It seems that the problem only exists on TP. The systems at Huffpo, C & L, Kos, etc. doesn’t have a problem with troll’s disrupting otherwise intelligent discourse with their nonsense. I’ve found that to be a much more rewarding, upbeat, classy atmosphere than TP. I’m limiting my time on these threads because I really don’t like abdicating my personal power to some faceless, identityless moron who is obviously trying to trip my trigger. I won’t give them that satisfaction.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:03 pmComment by Snowball — July 29, 2007 @ 5:45 pm
I agree with every word in your post listed above.
What got me upset is this quote:
“It’s just mindless entertainment and bread and circus to keep the masses distracted.”
Outside of the context of discussing steroids I could accept your statement as a blanket statement about the state of sports in this country and how people should consume them. As you say, “stop patronizing professional sports” if you can’t take the reality. No problem.
When abused steroids endanger the lives of others, including those on and off the field, then I will begin “[...] patronizing professional sports” again. Until then I will shout my lungs out at those who make such cavalier statements as yours. You need to rethink that thing about “mindless entertainment” and the drugs that fuel it and also the harm ‘roids causes to innocent citizens in our country.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:05 pmI’m limiting my time on these threads because I really don’t like abdicating my personal power to some faceless, identityless moron who is obviously trying to trip my trigger. I won’t give them that satisfaction.
Comment by veritas — July 29, 2007 @ 6:03 pm
Thanks, veritas. I always appreciate your comments here, and especially your unfailing optimism that we will soon correct the wrongs that have afflicted us these past several years. Please visit often.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:06 pmAs far as steroids being the cause of violence in athletes, it may be putting the cart before the horse. It surprises me not one bit that hyper macho, hyper competitive individuals would already have a disposition towards violent behavior. Steroids might help in tipping them over the edge, but that alone might not be the causative factor.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:07 pmComment by dixie blood — July 29, 2007 @ 6:05 pm
Alright, I understand your position. Just try to be a bit less temperamental in your responses next time and you will find getting your point of view across much easier without the insults.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:10 pmComment by Snowball — July 29, 2007 @ 6:10 pm
Well played.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:15 pmComment by dixie blood — July 29, 2007 @ 6:05 pm
Thanks for the scolding mommy!!
Here’s a thought…
How ’bout next time you watch your words and the context in which you place them? ‘K?
July 29th, 2007 at 6:21 pmComment by The Republic of Stupidity
TP does not ban them for demeaning a Soldier, yet they censor posts of regular posters. TP is part of the problem
That said, The trolls are lowlife scum, especially for demeaning a fallen Soldier.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:21 pmThat said, The trolls are lowlife scum, especially for demeaning a fallen Soldier.
Comment by Wayne — July 29, 2007 @ 6:21 pm
Wayne, I find those comments so f-ing repulsive I’m at a loss for words.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:26 pmComment by dixie blood — July 29, 2007 @ 6:21 pm
Nope, I’ll express my opinion freely and anytime I choose. I never directly insult other posters unless they start it. Then I feel obliged to respond in kind.
BTW, I still say sports is just useless bread and circus to keep the masses passive. It’s been that way since the Roman empire. Where do you think the term came from?
July 29th, 2007 at 6:27 pmZooey at #19
You say that when you were younger you watched Barry Bonds play and that you “wonder what he’d think of his son now.” Did you err by referring to Barry Bonds when you probably meant his father, Bobby Bonds? I do think that Bobby Bonds’ acomplishments are more commendable than his sons’.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:30 pmWayne, I find those comments so f-ing repulsive I’m at a loss for words.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
me too, it is astounding the depths these trolls plunge to.
If I could reach out and whack them a few times with my trusty baseball bat I definately would, but since I can’t TP should definately ban them.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:31 pmThey have violated the policies here more times than I can count, with nothing done.
Comment by dixie blood — July 29, 2007 @ 6:21 pm
Well played.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:31 pmWell, dixie got Pee’s endorsement.
That’s all I need to know.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:34 pmI do think that Bobby Bonds’ acomplishments are more commendable than his sons’.
Comment by Erroll — July 29, 2007 @ 6:30 pm
You’re right, Erroll. I meant Bobby Bonds. Sorry about that!
July 29th, 2007 at 6:34 pmIf I could reach out and whack them a few times with my trusty baseball bat I definately would, but since I can’t TP should definately ban them.
They have violated the policies here more times than I can count, with nothing done.
Comment by Wayne — July 29, 2007 @ 6:31 pm
It goes beyond banning them at this point. Jeezuz H Christian, this is so totally disrespectful to so many different people, w/ the Tillmans at the head of the list. This is why Pat Tillman died – to protect the rights of human trash like this? It is just so damned appalling.
Have you been talking to your Ranger buddies about the Tillman case?
July 29th, 2007 at 6:35 pmWayne & TRoS,
Flaco used to be an annoying little fly, who would show up now and then and say rude things to female commenters.
Now, with the encouragement of Mr Pee and his kind, he’s moved into a whole new world of shitting on dead soldiers, and hijacking their names. As well as hijacking Sgt Higgins’ name and saying horrific things about Higgins’ son, who was born with various disabilities.
That’s what Flaco is, and Mr Pee supports it completely.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:38 pmthis site will blame Bush for anything.I’m waiting to see how this site links Bush to Micheal Vick
July 29th, 2007 at 6:39 pmwe aren’t getting married for another 3 years!
Comment by Mr. President — July 29, 2007 @ 6:32 pm
Tell me about it.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:39 pmZooey,
It was The Joker who attacked Sarge’s kid. I’m not convinced they aren’t the same person, they are at least cut from the same cloth.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:40 pmIt was The Joker who attacked Sarge’s kid. I’m not convinced they aren’t the same person, they are at least cut from the same cloth.
Comment by Egreggious — July 29, 2007 @ 6:40 pm
I think Flaco and the Joker are the same, too. Same garbled syntx, same sort of mindless insults.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:42 pmHave you been talking to your Ranger buddies about the Tillman case?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Yeah, at this point everyone is contacting their representatives and alot of talking to other people we know.
Congress has to investigate at this point, because Bushco is hindering any further investigations and all documents related to Pat’s case under Executive Privilege.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:42 pmImagine if Maris, Mantle, Ruth, Killebrew, Mays, Aaron, Greenberg, and Kiner all used steroids? There would have hit 100 home runs a season.
McGwire and Bonds are drug addicts, like Dumbya Bush, and should be treated as such.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:42 pmComment by Mr. President — July 29, 2007 @ 6:31 pm
Mr PeeSoaked,
I’m not in your camp. You are the constant troll that stands between important distinctions and attempts at concensus here at TP and fighting your stupid bullsh!t up and down the line here. I don’t have time for both so you lose a$$wipe. Go away!!
July 29th, 2007 at 6:43 pmZooey,
It was The Joker who attacked Sarge’s kid. I’m not convinced they aren’t the same person, they are at least cut from the same cloth.
Comment by Egreggious — July 29, 2007 @ 6:40 pm
God, there’s so many of them I can’t keep track anymore.
Although he is another one encouraged by Mr Pee.
I hope Mr Pee is proud of his little students.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:43 pmThat’s what Flaco is, and Mr Pee supports it completely.
Comment by Zooey — July 29, 2007 @ 6:38 pm
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Not so. Stupidity left out the comment I made telling Flaco that Tillman was a good guy, that’s why Flaco said this:
He was just mocking ace and the other moonbats, as he says himself.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:44 pmNo harm, no foul.
Congress has to investigate at this point, because Bushco is hindering any further investigations and all documents related to Pat’s case under Executive Privilege.
Comment by Wayne — July 29, 2007 @ 6:42 pm
Yeah, that’s what I read. if nothing else, keep it alive. Don’t let it slip away quietly. No doubt BuschCo intends to gum this one to death too if thet can get away w/ it. Simply appalling.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:44 pmattempts at concensus here at TP
And there you have, folks!
It seems y’all want a Lefty echo-chamber!!!
July 29th, 2007 at 6:45 pmHe was just mocking ace and the other moonbats, as he says himself.
No harm, no foul.
Comment by Mr. President — July 29, 2007 @ 6:44 pm
BTW, you clueless je*k off, that comment is in my post. Guess you can’t read either. No harm, no foul? Come out of hiding, then.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:46 pmthere you have “it”
…. I meant to say, there you have “it”
July 29th, 2007 at 6:46 pmIt seems y’all want a Lefty echo-chamber!!!
Comment by Mr. President — July 29, 2007 @ 6:45 pm
Smarmy little sh*t…
July 29th, 2007 at 6:46 pmattempts at concensus here at TP
And there you have, folks!
It seems y’all want a Lefty echo-chamber!!!
Comment by Mr. President — July 29, 2007 @ 6:45 pm
You Righties/Neo-Cons have a “Dead Room”, where all discussion is sucked into the walls.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:47 pmNo harm, no foul.
Comment by Mr. President — July 29, 2007 @ 6:44 pm
No, that’s wrong. There was harm inflicted. If you can’t see that, you are seriously defective.
You do support it, because all you did, apparently, was tell him Tillman was a good guy, you didn’t tell him to knock that shit off permanently. No, you just continue to egg him on. You support Flaco’s disrespect of the dead troops.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:48 pmI know what i said was wrong, but I’m too gutless to own my own words. Why do you think I post anonymously on line? If i said these things on the streets, peope would chase me down in alleywys and beat me to a bloody pulp.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:48 pmIt seems y’all want a Lefty echo-chamber!!!
Comment by Mr. President — July 29, 2007 @ 6:45 pm
Your stupidity has no bounds. An echo chamber is where one voice is repeated over and over leading to babel or feedback.
Concensus is where many voices become one!
YOU ARE STUPID TO YOUR VERY CORE!!!
July 29th, 2007 at 6:49 pmI would hope that we are here on some level to attempt to reach a consensus. That rather implies a difference of opinions being expressed to me.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:50 pmMcGwire and Bonds are drug addicts, like Dumbya Bush, and should be treated as such.
Comment by swampgas
And your proof, in the way of positive tests and them being busted for drugs?
Speculation is one thing, proof is another.
I can claim you snort coke and do your mother, but without proof, that Statement is crap. But someone, like one of the dishonest trolls here, would be happy to take that statement and hang you out to dry with it, without proof.
Would that make you guilty? Nope
July 29th, 2007 at 6:51 pmIf there’s a consensus on anything here, it is certainly thanks to Pee.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:52 pm“Thus the main function of punishment is not so much to reform or deter, but rather to maintain social cohesion by safeguarding a vigorous collective conscience.”
MAINTAIN SOCIAL COHESION BY SAFEGUARDING A VIGOURS COLLECTIVE CONSCIENCE – this is from Emile Durkheim.
Mr P? Ya’ll never get it a million years, but all ya do in the long run is bring the community together in its standards. You’re accomplishing something singlehandedly (no, not THAT bit of single-handedness…) that we couldn’t do otherwise.
We ALL can’t stand ya. You’re a uniter, Li’l Buddy!!!!
July 29th, 2007 at 6:58 pmThere’s another soldier that the right-wing has been trying to defame as well.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:00 pmY’all
Maybe I’m late to the party but I’m thinkin’ that Mr. PeeSoaked is just another name for Exely, sEXXiON, Mighty A$$OMighty or another recycled, useless reincarnation of a stupid-to-the-core (STTC) troll we have always had to tolerate around here.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:00 pmGee, where’d Mr P go?
July 29th, 2007 at 7:03 pmWe’re a lucky nation to have such a Home Run King and President King or maybe KIng President at the same time.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:03 pmWe ALL can’t stand ya. You’re a uniter, Li’l Buddy!!!!
Comment by Mr. President’s Conscience — July 29, 2007 @ 6:58 pm
Heh. Durkheim assumed that everyone HAD a conscience. :)
July 29th, 2007 at 7:03 pmGee, where’d Mr P go?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 29, 2007 @ 7:03 pm
Never mind, he’s off soiling another thread.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:07 pmDurkheim assumed that everyone HAD a conscience. :)
Comment by Zooey — July 29, 2007 @ 7:03 pm
True… we have to work w/ what we have, Zooey.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:08 pmNever mind, he’s off soiling another thread.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 29, 2007 @ 7:07 pm
Mr Pee never sticks around for the hard truths about the things he does.
I wish we could get all the TP commenters together and agree to absolutely freeze out every one of these trolls — total troll silence.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:12 pmMcGwire and Bonds are drug addicts, like Dumbya Bush, and should be treated as such.
Comment by swampgas
And your proof, in the way of positive tests and them being busted for drugs?
Speculation is one thing, proof is another.
I can claim you snort coke and do your mother, but without proof, that Statement is crap. But someone, like one of the dishonest trolls here, would be happy to take that statement and hang you out to dry with it, without proof.
Would that make you guilty? Nope
Comment by Wayne — July 29, 2007 @ 6:51 pm
Steroids ARE drugs, you idiotic bottom feeder.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:12 pmI wish we could get all the TP commenters together and agree to absolutely freeze out every one of these trolls — total troll silence.
Comment by Zooey — July 29, 2007 @ 7:12 pm
Could they still come to our cesspool parties?
July 29th, 2007 at 7:14 pm“And your proof, in the way of positive tests and them being busted for drugs? Speculation is one thing, proof is another.”
Well, you may be right. It may be that Barry Bonds is going through a growth spurt at…what…40 or so? He has increased the size of his shows by two sizes and the size of his head by two hat sizes, and that isn’t even mentioning his neck. I guess Bonds is just a late bloomer.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:17 pmZooey, I’m with you on that one. I really miss the old TP. Before it was “discovered.”
July 29th, 2007 at 7:19 pmSteroids ARE drugs, you idiotic bottom feeder.
Comment by swampgas — July 29, 2007 @ 7:12 pm
Whoa, swampgas, wayne AIN’T a troll, or a bottom feeder.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:21 pmdixie blood sez:
Definitely not Exley or Seixon…not on his best day.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:22 pmI wish we could get all the TP commenters together and agree to absolutely freeze out every one of these trolls — total troll silence.
Comment by Zooey — July 29, 2007 @ 7:12 pm
Would it work?
July 29th, 2007 at 7:23 pmSteroids ARE drugs, you idiotic bottom feeder.
Comment by swampgas
I didn’t say they were not, f*cking moron
F*ck off pissant, since you cannot have a discussion without retorting to insults
July 29th, 2007 at 7:27 pmIt’s not my fault your IQ is too low to have any reading comprehension skills
I don’t know what George W. Bush knew or didn’t know about steriod use when he was the managing general partner of the Texas Rangers, but I know this: Bush was the only owner or managing general partner to vote against the current baseball playoff system–a system that since its inception has been universally regarded as an unqualified success. Again, only George W. Bush thought he knew better than every other baseball man, and only George W. Bush voted against the current system. When asked about his vote, Bush said: “History will prove me right.” I kid you not. As they say in baseball, you can look it up.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:30 pmHmmm… think I’ll just stay out of this one. (I tried!)
July 29th, 2007 at 7:31 pmWould it work?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 29, 2007 @ 7:23 pm
It seems when you ignore them, they just scream louder, more often, and more irrelevantly. Perhaps if we froze them out long enough, they’d eventually go away, but I think it would hard to maintain that much discipline here. Crazy, independent liberals, they’ll just do what they want to do.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:36 pmCould they still come to our cesspool parties?
Comment by Egreggious — July 29, 2007 @ 7:14 pm
Only if they go in head first. :)
OMG, that was so fun….
July 29th, 2007 at 7:45 pmI wish we could get all the TP commenters together and agree to absolutely freeze out every one of these trolls — total troll silence.
Comment by Zooey — July 29, 2007 @ 7:12 pm
Would it work?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 29, 2007 @ 7:23 pm
Zooey, TRoS,
I would love to have “Total Troll Silence” but…
I used to post a list of known trolls here on a regular basis a couple of years ago. It was not really accepted or supported and the trolls started creating lots of new id’s to post under. Consider the following:
1) How fast can you identify a troll?
2) How do you verify you have a positive hit?
3) If you know you have a troll, what will TP or the regulars do about?
4) If we attempt to keep a list of trolls here amoung ourselves how do we arbitrate the disputes? I might be accused of being a troll someday or wrongly accusing another of being a troll someday. I’m way, way, way less than perfect.
I have more questions. I’ll put those off for now.
BTW, my first experiment at keeping and posting a troll list here and what I learned could earn anyone a PhD in Social Science!!!
July 29th, 2007 at 7:46 pmCrazy, independent liberals, they’ll just do what they want to do.
Comment by Egreggious — July 29, 2007 @ 7:36 pm
Yeah, I agree. Some of the trolls are impossible to much of anything w/.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:47 pmI do like the ones dumb enough to “debate the facts”. Ya can make mincemeat of them. But by and large, if one of them wants to be obnoxious, there’s not much you can do, other than leave for the time being. Free speech may be just that – free, but it ain’t always pretty!
Zooey, I’m with you on that one. I really miss the old TP. Before it was “discovered.â€
Comment by troqua — July 29, 2007 @ 7:19 pm
Remember when 40 comments on a thread was A LOT!?
We had trolls back then too, but they weren’t as persistent or destructive.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:47 pmWhen asked about his vote, Bush said: “History will prove me right.†I kid you not. As they say in baseball, you can look it up.
Comment by Brett Lewis — July 29, 2007 @ 7:30 pm
Classic!
July 29th, 2007 at 7:48 pmOnly if they go in head first. :)
OMG, that was so fun….
Comment by Zooey — July 29, 2007 @ 7:45 pm
I was just thinking I wouldn’t mind seeing Eck again.
I kind of like them dumb.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:50 pmWould it work?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 29, 2007 @ 7:23 pm
Probably not, but it would transfer the stress onto THEM, instead of US.
And sometimes we can’t identify a troll right away, but as soon as we realize what it is — freeze out.
They still have the freedom to post here, but we simply do not acknowledge them. I know, it’s the impossible dream….
July 29th, 2007 at 7:51 pmThe Republic of Stupidity sez:
The reason we have the trolls we have is because we have developed a habit of responding to them. When you don’t respond to trolls, they begin to post clever lies, (like Exley & Seixon) secure in the knowledge that their lies won’t be refuted. When one ignores these trolls, one only validates their flawed arguments.
Here, we haven’t been letting those lies go unchallenged. As a result, trolls like Exley and Seixon have disappeared in favor of trolls like Mr. Pee and Jingo…trolls whose only purpose is to derail debate with hateful nonsense. When one challenges these trolls, one only validates their time-wasting bullsh!t.
So, you can see that we have a bit of a tightrope to walk here.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:51 pmI guess Bonds is just a late bloomer.
Comment by bilbobaggins
I have 24 inch biceps and bench quite alot, and the only steroids I ever used were after surgery used by a doctor.
At 24 ( 49 now ) I began heavy weight usage and a diet of hi pro and bulked up pretty well. Just because someone gains muscle does not mean they used steroids. Hard work and diet can do that. My nick in my old squad was wolverine, because I was short, 5′8″, but a mean cuss in hand to hand.
But keep on blaming someone without proof. That’s your right of free speech and thought.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:51 pmStill doesn’t make them guilty
Comment by dixie blood — July 29, 2007 @ 7:46 pm
I appreciated your list, dixie, although I’m not sure how much effect it would have an a Mr Pee. I don’t know the solution. I just know I’m going to do my best to totally ignore the trolls.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:53 pmI was just thinking I wouldn’t mind seeing Eck again.
I kind of like them dumb.
Comment by Egreggious — July 29, 2007 @ 7:50 pm
He was rather pliable, wasn’t he? I think we scared him at the cesspool party. :)
July 29th, 2007 at 7:55 pmBTW, my first experiment at keeping and posting a troll list here and what I learned could earn anyone a PhD in Social Science!!!
Comment by dixie blood — July 29, 2007 @ 7:46 pm
“… could earn anyone a PhD in Social Science!!!” No joke!
It seems pretty easy to spot a troll. Every now and then one eases into the conversation quietly, but most of them come thru the door as loudly as possible. I like this new one – BrassBalls, or Mask, or whatever he calls himself. He had a clever little tack, calling us gremlins and saying he had to clean up the site.
It seems pretty easy to tell whether they’re male or female. I don’t recall seeing too many female trolls, BTW. It was actually kind of creepy when Mr P (I think) switched genders the other night and pretended he was Sally H. Very bizarre.
Friday afternoon, someone hijacked my name while I was here. It was like that old episode of Batman where the Riddler gets doubled and even he can’t tell which is which. Whoever did that also was hijacking other names vry quickly at one point.
And then, every now and then, you can actually bust a troll down, and they become real people. Cynicon Implant was like that last week, unless it was an act. He had been coming here and being rude, and we busted his chops so badly that he just dropped the act and started talking to us. Kind of interesting, actually, if it was real.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:57 pmComment by TripMaster Monkey — July 29, 2007 @ 7:51 pm
Right on point.
In addition, an unrefuted point will be lifted by the reich-wing dirty tricks people to prove that “lefty” sites are filled with hatred, etc. At the very least a response to a useless reich-wing comment can be cited later if needed. I think we have to post against their nonsense.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:58 pmSo, you can see that we have a bit of a tightrope to walk here.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 29, 2007 @ 7:51 pm
You’re right, TMM, some of them do take advantage of our silence, and we can’t allow that.
I’m talking more about Mr Pee & friends, michael, m12, Brass whatever, Patrick1, etc. Those types who either aren’t even smart, or are simply here to disrupt threads with inane crap.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:59 pmIMHO, there are those rare occasions where trolls actually stimulate the conversation. Some of the responses actually teach me things I didn’t know.
If someone offers a serious and defensible argument, I don’t mind engaging them. Unfortunately, it usually degenerates into utter nonsense.
This is going to get me in a lot of trouble, but I think Pee has a good sense of humor a lot of times. I just think he gets a little carried away. I actually prefer a little humor to endless repetitions of the same left-wing talking points, or the frantic, emotional, and continuous calls for impeachment, consisting of nothing but hand-wringing and despair.
July 29th, 2007 at 8:02 pmIt was actually kind of creepy when Mr P (I think) switched genders the other night and pretended he was Sally H. Very bizarre.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 29, 2007 @ 7:57 pm
Er, no comment.
July 29th, 2007 at 8:05 pmI think refuting troll’s arguments might not be a bad idea, but perhaps it could be done without actually addressing the troll personally. Simply state the opposite (reality-based) truth and move on.
July 29th, 2007 at 8:07 pmI’m talking more about Mr Pee & friends, michael, m12, Brass whatever, Patrick1, etc. Those types who either aren’t even smart, or are simply here to disrupt threads with inane crap.
Comment by Zooey
They all just post inane crap and trash any thread that has any real issues to it, like the Tillman thread, for example.
July 29th, 2007 at 8:07 pmIgnoring them or not doesn’t matter much to them. They just don’t care.
beisbol worships jesus. the newer one from Cuba or the Dominican Republic, you know. beisbol is as corrupt as religion, all for profit and skimming. What did Pete Rose do? threaten to tell all by chance? How else can they justify having the best player ignored by the hall of fame and what appears to be a little guy named bonds that is now huge, and only his cojones are small. He hasn’t got enough nerve to admit what we all know about his magical muscle growth, and whaddya bet that major league baseball has all ready forgiven him because there is nothing to forgive?
July 29th, 2007 at 8:09 pmI was a fan once. glad my team finally won a series. little ball they called it. but somehow, I have to wonder if even the little guys are not juiced? how would I know? what do I tell the kids about baseball?
Ignoring them or not doesn’t matter much to them. They just don’t care.
Comment by Wayne — July 29, 2007 @ 8:07 pm
Unfortunate and true. They’re kind of like psychic vandals. Sometime P seems more like a graffiti tagger than anything else.
July 29th, 2007 at 8:10 pmI sometimes feel like I’m doing a service when I can divert a troll on a less-serious thread, so that another more interesting thread doesn’t get droppings all over it.
July 29th, 2007 at 8:13 pmI think refuting troll’s arguments might not be a bad idea, but perhaps it could be done without actually addressing the troll personally. Simply state the opposite (reality-based) truth and move on.
Comment by Egreggious — July 29, 2007 @ 8:07 pm
That’s an idea. Put up the truth, but don’t even refer to the troll.
July 29th, 2007 at 8:14 pmI think refuting troll’s arguments might not be a bad idea, but perhaps it could be done without actually addressing the troll personally. Simply state the opposite (reality-based) truth and move on.
Comment by Egreggious — July 29, 2007 @ 8:07 pm
Correct. It has to a statement that can be clearly refuted. I like asking them questions that appear to be innocuous. Inch them further and further out on the limb, and when thy’re WAY out there, cut that branch off at the trunk.
July 29th, 2007 at 8:14 pmUnfortunate and true. They’re kind of like psychic vandals. Sometime P seems more like a graffiti tagger than anything else.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 29, 2007 @ 8:10 pm
That’s what I mean about freezing those types out — transfer the stress back onto them. Have you eve seen Mr Pee twist when no one’s paying attention to him? It’s glorious!
July 29th, 2007 at 8:15 pmThe trolls also seem to be more intimidated when we’re all drunk and having a party. Maybe we should try that more.
July 29th, 2007 at 8:17 pmHave you eve seen Mr Pee twist when no one’s paying attention to him? It’s glorious!
Comment by Zooey — July 29, 2007 @ 8:15 pm
Yeah.. you’re right. Certain threads attract them more too. BTW, m12 is over on the Rangel thread right now, so expect some nonsense coming up.
July 29th, 2007 at 8:17 pmThe trolls also seem to be more intimidated when we’re all drunk and having a party. Maybe we should try that more.
Comment by Egreggious — July 29, 2007 @ 8:17 pm
They seem to split completely when we’re just having a good time.
July 29th, 2007 at 8:18 pmBTW, m12 is over on the Rangel thread right now, so expect some nonsense coming up.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 29, 2007 @ 8:17 pm
I noticed. I was just trying to decide what to about that, if anything.
His arguments are so laughable right now, it was hard to resist.
July 29th, 2007 at 8:20 pmThe trolls also seem to be more intimidated when we’re all drunk and having a party. Maybe we should try that more.
Comment by Egreggious — July 29, 2007 @ 8:17 pm
I always try to have two glasses of wine in the house.
July 29th, 2007 at 8:21 pmYeah, that’s all I had the other night. :}
They seem to split completely when we’re just having a good time.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 29, 2007 @ 8:18 pm
They just don’t seem to know what to do when things aren’t strictly under control. No wonder they’re all weird about sex….
July 29th, 2007 at 8:22 pmI noticed. I was just trying to decide what to about that, if anything.
His arguments are so laughable right now, it was hard to resist.
Comment by Egreggious — July 29, 2007 @ 8:20 pm
I’m ignoring them, but you do what you want! :)
July 29th, 2007 at 8:23 pmChildren’s catechism. Revised version.
July 29th, 2007 at 8:25 pmYeah, that’s all I had the other night. :}
Comment by Zooey — July 29, 2007 @ 8:21 pm
Uh… how big were those glasses? I recall something about needing a straw.
July 29th, 2007 at 8:28 pmI’m sure you wouldn’t believe me if I told you I really haven’t had a drink in over a year.
Liver can’t take it anymore.
July 29th, 2007 at 8:30 pmHis arguments are so laughable right now, it was hard to resist.
Comment by Egreggious — July 29, 2007 @ 8:20 pm
Like shooting fish off a log??
July 29th, 2007 at 8:32 pmwhat a surprise.. bush looked the other way when it came to lawbreaking.
July 29th, 2007 at 8:33 pmUh… how big were those glasses? I recall something about needing a straw.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 29, 2007 @ 8:28 pm
I don’t know….wine glass sized. Heh.
Don’t be silly, I would never buy a box of wine. I love using the cork puller thing. :D
July 29th, 2007 at 8:33 pmI don’t know….wine glass sized. Heh.
Don’t be silly, I would never buy a box of wine. I love using the cork puller thing. :D
Comment by Zooey — July 29, 2007 @ 8:33 pm
I looked at taht thread the next morning. The online equivalent of the toga party from Animal House! :-D!!!
July 29th, 2007 at 8:36 pmI’m sure you wouldn’t believe me if I told you I really haven’t had a drink in over a year.
Liver can’t take it anymore.
Comment by Egreggious — July 29, 2007 @ 8:30 pm
I believe you, Egg. :)
I come from several generations of alcoholics, and my generation is the first to skip joining that club. I limit myself to one glass normally, and really I shouldn’t drive after half a glass.
July 29th, 2007 at 8:38 pmI looked at taht thread the next morning. The online equivalent of the toga party from Animal House! :-D!!!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 29, 2007 @ 8:36 pm
Heh. So much fun, and a total stress reliever. Those are the times I allow myself to say 50% of what I’m thinking. I normally restrict myself to 10%.
July 29th, 2007 at 8:40 pmZooey sez:
Don’t poo-poo the wine boxes…the bag inside the box collapses as the wine is dispensed, keeping air out, which keeps the wine nice and fresh. :)
(Not that I’m a big wine drinker…I’m a beer-man myself, but I went through a big wine phase in college. =P )
July 29th, 2007 at 8:42 pmDon’t poo-poo the wine boxes…the bag inside the box collapses as the wine is dispensed, keeping air out, which keeps the wine nice and fresh. :)
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 29, 2007 @ 8:42 pm
The attraction is being able to pull that cork. I love that….
July 29th, 2007 at 8:49 pmThe attraction is being able to pull that cork.
Comment by Zooey — July 29, 2007 @ 8:49 pm
I may have to go pull a cork myself now.
July 29th, 2007 at 8:59 pmZooey sez:
Is that a euphemism for something? ;)
July 29th, 2007 at 9:01 pmI may have to go pull a cork myself now.
Comment by Egreggious — July 29, 2007 @ 8:59 pm
Why am I going to school? I could be a bartender in a wine tasting room!
July 29th, 2007 at 9:02 pmIs that a euphemism for something? ;)
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 29, 2007 @ 9:01 pm
I really hope not….
July 29th, 2007 at 9:02 pmI really hope not….
Comment by Zooey — July 29, 2007 @ 9:02 pm
Then I hope you will disregard my previous comment.
July 29th, 2007 at 9:03 pmThen I hope you will disregard my previous comment.
Comment by Egreggious — July 29, 2007 @ 9:03 pm
You are too funny, Egg. :D
July 29th, 2007 at 9:10 pmOops, TRoS couldn’t resist! Watch out, m12!
July 29th, 2007 at 9:13 pm“When one ignores these trolls, one only validates their flawed arguments.”
I hate to say this, but that is really a dumb statement. Who is going to believe their flawed arguments. There really are, from what I can see, two camps. One camp is the progressives who come here to discuss ideas and sometimes just to vent. The second camp is the trolls who come here to fling feces in our face to see if they can get us to react. Now, if they say something that is a “flawed argument”, what is it going to do? Is it going to change the opinions of group one, I think not. Is it going to change the opinions of group two, no, because group two is the one throwing out the “flawed argument”.
So, I really don’t see anything to gain by correcting them in their “flawed argument” and everything to lose. Why can’t the people here just freeze the trolls out. Just don’t talk to them, don’t react to them. I’m willing to do it if everyone else here is willing. It will work, but everyone has to join in the boycott.
July 29th, 2007 at 9:14 pmbilbobaggins sez:
Fence-sitters who don’t know any better.
If you don’t think any of the “flawed arguments” you’ve seen here lately are at all convincing, that only because you haven’t seen any good flawed arguments, like the ones that used to be spun on a regular basis by types like Exley and Seixon.
As I said earlier, we developed a habit of refuting these arguments. This caused the erudite trolls to seek greener pastures, while it drew idiot trolls like m12 and Mr. Pee, who count any response in their “win” column.
July 29th, 2007 at 9:36 pmThink Progress’ standard of Truth: Jose Canseco, self-admitted user of steroids.
Wow. A claim made by Canseco, without supporting evidence or any independent collaboration, and all of a sudden Bush has a “steroids record”.
I’m amazed anyone actually uses Think Progress as a source for anything other than conspicuous and overt propaganda.
But hey, at least their single source isn’t anonymous this time. Go TP.
July 29th, 2007 at 9:51 pmI usually restrict myself to about… oh… 0.5% these days.
Comment by Mr. President — July 29, 2007 @ 9:56 pm
You should cut down.
July 29th, 2007 at 10:02 pmI’m no fan of Bush, I’m a firm liberal. But it’s stories and reporting like this that really make me not want to visit liberal/progressive blogs anymore.
So, what ISN’T Bush behind at this point?
July 29th, 2007 at 11:27 pmnot much, bob…
July 29th, 2007 at 11:53 pmheard your story before… doesn’t ring true…
but stick around and give it a fightin’ chance…
if you really want to help…
otherwise, see ya.
…
ah jesus. what a lame post. Who cares!? screw barry bonds hes a cheater just like Bush
What are you gonna Do about it? that’s what I wanna know. Are you just gonna sit around yrr living rooms and talk about it all your lives?
July 30th, 2007 at 12:05 amWhose “facts” are you waiting for Mr. Bush?
July 30th, 2007 at 12:53 amI wish we could get all the TP commenters together and agree to absolutely freeze out every one of these trolls — total troll silence.
Comment by Zooey
July 30th, 2007 at 1:48 am—————————————————————-
Me too I miss the old TP
TP is just another tabloid.
Paris, Bond, MM, Lohan…
While the pervasive use of steroids and human growth hormone certainly calls into question how several home run records were attained during the previous decade, I would again remind people that such use was not formally deemed by Major League Baseball to be illegal until just a couple of years ago.
Should Barry Bonds be penalized for any previous use of steroids or HGH by him prior to 2003-04, when MLB finally succumbed to public pressure and clamped down on an obvious problem?
If that be the case, then should I also be penalized at this late date for having drunk alcohol as a teenaged freshman in college, even though I was 27 when the legal age to purchase alcoholic beverages was finally raised from 18 to 21?
Because from standpoints both legal and ethical, what’s the difference?
July 30th, 2007 at 5:12 amLook, we can’t constantly rag on the Dear Leader’s past as inattentive and then project his Conscious disregard for something that happened within that same time frame of obliviousness. As far as professional sports and steroids use, don’t punish Barry, punish the profiteering enablers. I don’t buy the Reagan intelligence duality skit from SNL for Dear Leader. His past has been proven to be a situation where not all the porch lights were on and I don’t see him as caring enough to have an opinion. I bet he couldn’t have named more than 3 players while he was with the Rangers. You know Pal, Buddy and Guy.
July 30th, 2007 at 8:02 amHow does Rubern Sierra escape mention when it comes to steroid-pumping Texas Rangers during this (89-94) period. His nickname was El Caballo, and I bet he took some Horse steroids for good measure.
July 30th, 2007 at 9:00 amhas anyone seen this picture of bush? this is way too funny. our incredibly bright president. http://www.mypetpeeves.com/plog/index.php/archives/2732
July 30th, 2007 at 11:10 amGeezus, you guys at TP are desparate to slander!!
Hearsay, hearsay, hearsay… Who cares???
July 30th, 2007 at 11:24 amlol ….
This steroid business, you’d think that it’s worse than staging dog fights or starting unnecesary wars in the Middle East.
July 30th, 2007 at 12:56 pmJT,
Facts don’t matter, slander, lies, hearsay, and speculation is what the game is all about here at the blog run by former Clinton aide aides. AIDS? Judd has AIDS? Yeah, I heard it from an anonymous source. Extra, extra, read all about it.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:28 pmall this stuff about bond’s head being boulder-sized.LOL! of course i noticed it, but hey, mcgwire and canseco had to be the two biggest linebackers i have ever seen. except, i hear they played BASEBALL!
July 30th, 2007 at 10:33 pmGod, this is a sad day for baseball.
July 31st, 2007 at 2:49 amIf you ask me,
The Bases are Loaded (And so are the Players)
August 13th, 2007 at 10:38 pmDr BLT
words and music by Dr BLT copyright 2007 Smash Records
http://www.drblt.net/music/BasesRMix3.mp
Oops. Let’s try that again. Bad link:
If you ask me,
The Bases are Loaded (And so are the Players)
August 13th, 2007 at 10:43 pmDr BLT
words and music by Dr BLT copyright 2007 Smash Records
http://www.drblt.net/music/BasesRMix3.mp3
Not sure about all this – but there are some shirts that sorta sum it all up. Check out http://www.notmyhomerunleader.com – - He’s not MY home run leader!!
August 15th, 2007 at 11:55 pm