Fein argues for Bush and Cheney impeachment.
By on Jul 29th, 2007 at 5:34 pm
Fein argues for Bush and Cheney impeachment.
Former Reagan administration lawyer Bruce Fein recently sat down with the editors of the San Francisco Chronicle to discuss how “George W. Bush’s foreign policies are making Americans less safe, and why the president and Vice President Dick Cheney should be impeached.” You can listen to the audio here.
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Normal conservatives are fewer in number these days.
July 29th, 2007 at 5:39 pmNot gonna happen!
July 29th, 2007 at 5:39 pmSpeaking of abnormal….here’s Mr Pee.
July 29th, 2007 at 5:40 pm“Impeach”
Why?
On what grounds?
July 29th, 2007 at 5:40 pmJinx!
July 29th, 2007 at 5:40 pmNot gonna happen!
Comment by Mr. President — July 29, 2007 @ 5:39 pm
I doubt if even your own mother cares what you think at this point, if she’d even admit to being your mother.
July 29th, 2007 at 5:41 pmhttp://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07132007/profile.html
Bruce Fein at his finest! He did an interview with Bill Moyers recently making the case for impeachment – an irrefutable case for impeachment. Check it out.
July 29th, 2007 at 5:43 pmYou are either for America and the continued legitimacy of the US constitution or you are for George W. Bush and his “unitary executive theory” which is Republican Political Correct Speech for dictator.
-GSD
July 29th, 2007 at 5:44 pmThis is another time our illustrious troll has it wrong. There was a huge impeachment groundswell occurring all over the country this past week. It will continue while Bush is busy playing rancher during the month of August. Without all of his orchestrated talking points to try to scramble people’s minds, there is no doubt that the “impeachment train” will be leaving the station in August…..with now close to half of all americans (and growing each day) on board. Toot-Toot!!
July 29th, 2007 at 5:45 pmI tried awfully hard, but the abortion was stopped by Operation Rescue terrorists.
-Mr. President’s Heartbroken Mother
July 29th, 2007 at 5:45 pmI predict that by the time the faux rancher returns to Washington at the end of August, impeachment will be a foregone conclusion.
July 29th, 2007 at 5:46 pmIn any case, the dude will go down in history as the President who wasn’t elected and should have been impeached.
Another feather in the Republics’ cap.
July 29th, 2007 at 5:46 pmGSD: Good one :) Time to throw their rhetoric back into their faces! All aboard!!
July 29th, 2007 at 5:47 pmPerry: Correction: Bush was never elected! It will be shown in the not too distant future that both elections were either caged or rigged outright. Bush was NOT elected by the people.
July 29th, 2007 at 5:48 pmPerry: The rest of your comment is spot on! Fortuntely, Orwellian speak and definitions of good/bad, right/wrong, etc. mean nothing to most americans.
July 29th, 2007 at 5:50 pmWhen President Hillary Clinton and VP Barrack Obama get ELECTED,
Bush and Cheney can STILL be tried for TREASON against the USA.
And JAILED for the REST OF THEIR LIVES.
They ARE, after all, TRAITORS to the USA and EVERYTHING it
July 29th, 2007 at 5:53 pmUSED to stand for…
Hi, veritas!
I hope you having a good day today!
July 29th, 2007 at 5:56 pmWhen committed Reaganites like Fein and Odom start talking impeachment…
July 29th, 2007 at 5:57 pmJoke away, PeePee brain, just keeping joking away, while your party and this country go down in flames.
July 29th, 2007 at 5:57 pmBut the Constitution is just plain silly!
July 29th, 2007 at 5:58 pmHe is correct > both Bush and Cheney must be impeached, but Dicky first then Dubya.
July 29th, 2007 at 5:59 pmJoke away, PeePee brain, just keeping joking away, while your party and this country go down in flames.
Comment by VerbalKint — July 29, 2007 @ 5:57 pm
Pee confessed yesterday that since he doesn’t trust the government, he doesn’t vote. Why is this twit even here?
July 29th, 2007 at 6:00 pmPee confessed yesterday that since he doesn’t trust the government, he doesn’t vote. Why is this twit even here?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 29, 2007 @ 6:00 pm
Maybe he needs validation from other people who don’t trust the government.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:03 pmThe same Mr P. was arguing that Pat Tillman’s murder and subsequent cover-up were good things.
Absolutely the sickest, most twisted troll alive. Hard to believe there are pukes like Mr. P who are allowed access to computers.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:06 pmhttp://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07132007/profile.html
It’s called “peak oil”….something very relevant and very scary. This may, in fact, pierce Hillary’s little poplarity bubble as people catch on to what’s really going on with Cheney’s secret energy task force!
July 29th, 2007 at 6:07 pmBruce Fein has been doing a yeoman’s job speaking out about this. Starting with the brilliant appearance on Bill Moyer’s Journal, he is apparently not going to let up on this. Neither am I…
The Next American Fuhrer
And neither should YOU! Force the candidates to take this pledge or explain why they won’t:
Don’t allow the precedents of BushCo to be handed down to future administrations.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:08 pmhttp://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/07/29/a-crude-awakening/#more-19807
CRUDE AWAKENING! Sorry, friends, I attached the impeachment site again instead. This is a “MUST READ”. PEAK OIL…..
July 29th, 2007 at 6:09 pmMark: As Fein points out, the precedent which has been established will NOT be erased by future presidents. It is clearly up to us, the american people, to stamp it out and reverse the damage right now by holding these criminals accountable as traitors to our constitution.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:10 pmMr pee I suppose you also agree with Bush on this too…?
DeFazio Asks, But He’s Denied Access…http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/07/21/2678/
WASHINGTON — Oregonians called Peter DeFazio’s office, worried there was a conspiracy buried in the classified portion of a White House plan for operating the government after a terrorist attack.
As a member of the U.S. House on the Homeland Security Committee, DeFazio, D-Ore., is permitted to enter a secure “bubbleroom†in the Capitol and examine classified material. So he asked the White House to see the secret documents.
On Wednesday, DeFazio got his answer: DENIED.
True Americans would want an investigation of this dictator take over in time of an emergency – especially with the growing concern from Americans of just who was responsible for 9/11.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:11 pmhttp://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/07/28/VOTING.TMP&tsp=1
One last thing – if you think your vote is going to be safe in 08, think again! Check out what the SF Chronicle has to say about hacking into DRE’s. I say the winner will be the last hacker into the system in 08! That’s pretty pathetic.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:12 pmHey, Zooey got mentioned over at C & L!
July 29th, 2007 at 6:13 pm
I like oil
July 29th, 2007 at 6:17 pmheh.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:18 pmI did not mean to suggest Zooey had anything to do with the Moonies.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:21 pmCome on TP. If you can’t regulate your site well enough to keep a sick f*ck like Mr. P. from spewing his vile comments, you really should fold.
I have yet to see any contribution to an argument from that sad little puke, he/she is nothing but an annoying and disturbing shit flinger.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:24 pmEgg,
check out post 26 on C&L…
guess who that is!
July 29th, 2007 at 6:28 pmComment by Mr. President — July 29, 2007 @ 6:28 pm
A 13-year-old’s husband?
July 29th, 2007 at 6:31 pmVeritas:
Nice to see you.
Did you copy/paste this mornings information?
July 29th, 2007 at 6:32 pmShe’s 15, and we aren’t getting married for another 3 years!
July 29th, 2007 at 6:32 pmShe’s 15, and we aren’t getting married for another 3 years!
Comment by Mr. President — July 29, 2007 @ 6:32 pm
You and she could always move to Utah.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:36 pmPee,
You’re taking a beating on the B____1 C________y thread.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:37 pm“… we aren’t getting married for another 3 years!”
Comment by Mr. President — July 29, 2007 @ 6:32 pm
Funny, some of the other trolls have said they only get a few months out of their inflatables… you must be so gentle…
July 29th, 2007 at 6:38 pmNah, Stupidity just wants me to give him attention.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:39 pm#41 was in response to Egg at #39
July 29th, 2007 at 6:39 pmNah, Stupidity just wants me to give him attention.
Comment by Mr. President — July 29, 2007 @ 6:39 pm
Smarmy little sh*t…
July 29th, 2007 at 6:40 pmI predict that by the time the faux rancher returns to Washington at the end of August, impeachment will be a foregone conclusion
Comment by veritas — July 29, 2007 @ 5:46 pm
I agree. I predicted at the end of 06 that Bush would be impeached this year. I believe it will happen before the years out.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:42 pmMr. Pee fails to understand how impeachment works.
The impeachment itself is a declaration of charges against the official; it opens the way for presentation of facts, legal discussion and debate of events and counter arguments. It does NOT mean Bushie would be removed from office automatically, but he and his supporters would have a pretty good idea if they thought he could survive if the result was conviction.
Nixon would not have survived, so he was advised to resign.
Clinton was impeached but not convicted, so he remained in office.
Apparently Mr. Pee thinks that operating secret, illegal prisons is not high crime: That illegal spying on American citizens without obtaining a warrant (even retroactively) is not a crime: That torturing prisoners is not in violation of the international Geneva conventions and not a high crime: That evidence of corrupting elections is not a high crime.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:47 pmThose are only a few of the grounds for impeachment proceedings against Bush – I believe he would be convicted – therefore the reluctance of repugs to even consider the procedure — in fact, it probably is the reason the dems are dragging their feet also. Bush would certainly be removed from office, unless he would do as Nixon, and resign.
Nixon’s top lawyer, John Dean, also thinks Bush and Cheney should be impeached. He’s kinda like THE expert. His book is titled: Worse Than Watergate.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:48 pmSome new info. on Tillman murder today:
“Tillman Comrade Recalls Final Moments”
The Associated Press.
Sunday 29 July 2007
“O’Neal said Saturday that he knew there were snipers in the convoy that fired at them, but that he can’t remember their names.”
Unknown professional assassin snipers were inserted into the search and destroy mission that day in Afghanistan for what purpose? This is beginning to look like Tillman was assassinated on orders of Pentagon or the White House. Here is the link to article on TruthOut: http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/072907E.shtal
July 29th, 2007 at 6:52 pmComment by veritas — July 29, 2007 @ 5:46 pm
How good are your predictions? I sure would like to believe in this one! My friends and I will open the bottle of champagne we’re saving.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:53 pmretry link: http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/072407E.shtml
July 29th, 2007 at 6:54 pmI did not mean to suggest Zooey had anything to do with the Moonies.
Comment by Egreggious — July 29, 2007 @ 6:21 pm
I do own a very nice tinfoil hat. :)
July 29th, 2007 at 6:56 pmHow good are your predictions? I sure would like to believe in this one! My friends and I will open the bottle of champagne we’re saving.
Comment by Marie
I will go out and buy a serious Champagne to join you. Got tons of sparkling wine in the house, but that would deserve something really special.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:56 pmPost 49 has wrong link > try http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/072907E.shtml
That should be it. Bad typing today
July 29th, 2007 at 6:57 pmVeritas is right. The 2004 election was stolen, too. The official version is extremely impossible: The exit polls of about 75,000 who had just voted were off by a full 3.0% due to shy Republicans.
You will notice that several times every single day you see polls saying the margin of error for 1,000 people contacted by phone with a vague question—having a margin of error of 3.0%.
July 29th, 2007 at 6:58 pmI really feel since September 11, 2001 this country has been hijacked by Thugs.
This Administration poses as a “Presidency” but for all intents and purposes they are Criminals. They have demonstrated nothing but contempt for it’s citizens (see : Katrina etc.) . Everyday they continue to mock the Justice System. I could go on and on.
I keep thinking like I have been thinking the past 6.5 years :
July 29th, 2007 at 6:58 pmWhat is it FINALLY going to take?
What is going to be the final straw to take this Criminal Cabal down?
Are there jocular champagnes for sale?
July 29th, 2007 at 6:59 pmI do own a very nice tinfoil hat. :)
Comment by Zooey — July 29, 2007 @ 6:56 pm
And you do live in the NW, correct??
July 29th, 2007 at 7:01 pmMarie: The impeachable offenses are becoming so obvious that if the Dems continue to drag their feet they will not only be embarrassed by their lassitude but may find that they’ve become complicit in a serious “derelection of duty” charge by the american people who will force the impeachment process themselves.
I believe that soon either Hillary or Barak will begin sounding the impeachment drum. Everyone associated with Watergate is weighing in and sounding the death nell to this administration.
Jay: Thanks for the info on the Tillman murder. Ace: I’ve had guests all day and am just getting to the computer again (other than sneaking off here and there) so please tell me which thread you posted the info on. I do copy and paste and send your stuff out to everyone I know.
Marie: As for my predictions, I’m not a self-aggrandizer by nature however, let’s just say that I’ve a fairly well refined spiritual gift for somehow knowing things in advance. It’s been telling me that we’re all on the right track and impeachment is just down the road a bit.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:02 pmPost 47 I typed shtal instead of shtml for the link.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:02 pmNixon’s top lawyer, John Dean, also thinks Bush and Cheney should be impeached. He’s kinda like THE expert. His book is titled: Worse Than Watergate.
I really liked Dean’s book “Conservative’s Without Conscience”. I learned a lot..
July 29th, 2007 at 7:02 pmHey fellas, I said “Islamo-Fascism” over at C&L!
Do y’ think they’re gonna kick me out?!?!
July 29th, 2007 at 7:03 pm#51 gummitch
We champagne drinkers would create the “pop” heard ’round the world.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:03 pmOr maybe even John Edwards?? One of these three will introduce the “I” word very soon.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:03 pmAce: It’s always great when our posts synchronize :)
July 29th, 2007 at 7:04 pmMr. Pee, your heroes strongly funded the Islamo-Fascists for decades!!!!!
July 29th, 2007 at 7:05 pmwith all the sham, dishonesty and out right lies, how can we not believe Tillman was assassinated on orders of Pentagon or the White House? 540 days left until Bush is out of office. Will we make it?
July 29th, 2007 at 7:05 pmCount me in on the champagne, Marie! Perhaps we’ll have a September surprise to toast to??
July 29th, 2007 at 7:05 pmPersonally, I would be very surprised if Hitlary, Edwards or Obama mentioned the “I” word.
They all buy into the Israeli Lobby. The Chimp’s reckless foreign policy is all about coddling Israel.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:05 pmDo y’ think they’re gonna kick me out?!?!
Comment by Mr. President — July 29, 2007 @ 7:03 pm
I hope not. The more time you spend there, the less time you spend here.
I wonder if they’d kick me out for saying Bee People…
July 29th, 2007 at 7:06 pmKeith G, Just like the Left supports the Iranian regime!
July 29th, 2007 at 7:06 pmMr. Pee, your heroes strongly funded the Islamo-Fascists for decades!!!!!
Comment by Keith G — July 29, 2007 @ 7:05 pm
July 29th, 2007 at 7:07 pm—————————————–
David Hume and Arthur Schopenhauer did whaaa????
If only Feingold was running…
I cannot support anyone in ‘08.
This may be the 1st election that I won’t vote.
I hope this changes…
July 29th, 2007 at 7:08 pmHarry Potter and Luke Skywalker did whaaa????
July 29th, 2007 at 7:09 pmI think Mr P has done wonders for his team. We need more trollips like him.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:10 pmReagan, Casey, North, GHWB, GWB, Cheney, CIA, Rumsfeld, Arbusto, Saudis, Harken, Carlyle, etc.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:10 pmThis may be the 1st election that I won’t vote.
I hope this changes…
Comment by Kay — July 29, 2007 @ 7:08 pm
It may be a hold-your-nose lesser-of-two-evils type of election.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:11 pmKeith G,
July 29th, 2007 at 7:12 pmWhat about the Left’s support of Iran?
And you do live in the NW, correct??
Comment by Mr. President’s Conscience — July 29, 2007 @ 7:01 pm
Northern Idaho. The beautiful part…. :)
July 29th, 2007 at 7:17 pmI don’t like Hillary very much, but I would have to vote for even her over any Repug—otherwise, any good that came out of congress would be vetoed by president Rudy.
p.s.: I would guess Dems pick up about five Senate seats and some House seats.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:17 pmHey Zooey. I wouldn’t tell a stalker where I lived!!!
Did you used to be Zehava?
July 29th, 2007 at 7:18 pmNorthern Idaho. The beautiful part…. :)
Comment by Zooey
I love potato juice. >=)))*p
July 29th, 2007 at 7:19 pmI don’t like Hillary very much, but I would have to vote for even her over any Repug—otherwise, any good that came out of congress would be vetoed by president Rudy.
p.s.: I would guess Dems pick up about five Senate seats and some House seats.
Comment by Keith G — July 29, 2007 @ 7:17 pm
I would hold my nose and vote for Hillary. I would never consider not voting. Idaho used to be a Dem state, maybe we can turn this baby around….
July 29th, 2007 at 7:20 pmHey Zooey. I wouldn’t tell a stalker where I lived!!!
Did you used to be Zehava?
Comment by Keith G — July 29, 2007 @ 7:18 pm
That’s not Mr Pee, it’s TRoS. :)
I was Zehava for a few days. Trolls were filling up threads with weird Zooey obsessions, I think the strangest ones have now wandered off into the forest — the regulars remain….
July 29th, 2007 at 7:23 pmZooey,
I agree. There has never been an election in which I have not voted—no matter how bad the choice. There is always some difference.
Was Idaho Dem under Andy Jackson?
July 29th, 2007 at 7:24 pmI love potato juice. >=)))*p
Comment by Mr Ur Inn — July 29, 2007 @ 7:19 pm
Can’t say I’ve ever tried it — or ever will. :P
Not a single potato grows within hundreds of miles of me. I like it that way. :)
July 29th, 2007 at 7:25 pmThat’s not Mr Pee, it’s TRoS. :)
Comment by Zooey — July 29, 2007 @ 7:23 pm
Obvious, huh? (The NW is a pretty big place, BTW…)
July 29th, 2007 at 7:25 pmI thought the strangest was when P was Sally H !!!
July 29th, 2007 at 7:26 pmCan’t say I’ve ever tried it — or ever will. :P
Not a single potato grows within hundreds of miles of me. I like it that way. :)
Comment by Zooey
Sure you have. They sell it at the liquor store =) Potato Vodka!
July 29th, 2007 at 7:26 pmWhy potatoes could be a great ethanol source!
July 29th, 2007 at 7:27 pmSo is idaho, for that matter.
Ah, idaho… home of majestic mountains… giant potatoes…
July 29th, 2007 at 7:28 pmbut yes i agree Cour d’lene [sp?] is quite beautiful.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:28 pmWas Idaho Dem under Andy Jackson?
Comment by Keith G — July 29, 2007 @ 7:24 pm
Heh. Actually, before I moved here Idaho had a great governor — Governor Cecil Andrus. We also had Senator Frank Church, a great man.
Our population is so low that we’ve always had fairly libertarian views. That’s changed over the last 10-15 years. Sadly so….
July 29th, 2007 at 7:28 pmIdaho used to be a Dem state, maybe we can turn this baby around….
Comment by Zooey — July 29, 2007 @ 7:20 pm
Wow! What happened?
A month or so ago, I saw a PBS documentary on the Idaho state legislature. A lot of the show was about some brave souls there fighting to keep gay marriage from being banned. It was kind of surreal watching the inner workings of that august body.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:30 pmObvious, huh? (The NW is a pretty big place, BTW…)
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 29, 2007 @ 7:25 pm
No one does a link like you, dear. :)
July 29th, 2007 at 7:30 pmI forgot Frank Church. He was quite good. One poly sci teacher (working on his phd) I had at univ had been an aide to Church.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:31 pmSure you have. They sell it at the liquor store =) Potato Vodka!
Comment by Mr Ur Inn — July 29, 2007 @ 7:26 pm
I can’t be trusted on hard liquor….days could pass….weeks even. Yikes.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:31 pmNo one does a link like you, dear. :)
Comment by Zooey — July 29, 2007 @ 7:30 pm
Yeah… I was wondrin’ ’bout that… okay, so’s I ain’t no hi-tech savant…
July 29th, 2007 at 7:33 pmVirgina is for cancerous old men [horse manure] with smelly tobacco cigars.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:33 pmBruce Fein is speaking up because he is a TRUE CONSERVATIVE not some fake, criminal wannabe that all these Neocon liars are. They have hijacked the conservative party and now the GOP is synonomous with CRIME, CRONYISM, GRAFT AND SCANDAL.
True conservatives know this, they know they have let the Christian rightwing thugs takeover their party and have brought it down permanently.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:34 pmThis prez and all his minions will go down in history as the admin. that was INDICTED and IMPRISONED for their crimes. Bush will be a shame on America for the rest of time. He and Cheney’s crimes haven’t even been exposed yet because they are holding our Justice Dept. hostage and have refused to release the documents. Time will cure this, eventually the truth WILL come out and they will all have to pay the piper.
All the Bushie supporters are traitors. They should all be shipped to Gitmo.
Virginia the cancer state. =P
July 29th, 2007 at 7:34 pmKucinich/Sheehan ‘08!
(I am totally serious)
July 29th, 2007 at 7:35 pmSo is idaho, for that matter.
Ah, idaho… home of majestic mountains… giant potatoes…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 29, 2007 @ 7:28 pm
but yes i agree Cour d’lene [sp?] is quite beautiful.
Comment by Mr Ur Inn — July 29, 2007 @ 7:28 pm
I’ve lived in Idaho over 14 years, but I’ve only been to Potato Land once. Didn’t care for it. Too flat. Too many people.
Coeur d’Alene is magnificent. My son went to school up there last year. I have pictures of the lake on my facebook page. Great place.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:35 pmVirginia produces some good ones: Jefferson, Washington, Patrick Henry, etc.—and some bad ones: VaTech’s Cho & Mr. P.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:35 pmComment by Mr Ur Inn — July 29, 2007 @ 7:33 pm
Mr Inn? I don’t recognize you, but I like your style… carry on!
July 29th, 2007 at 7:35 pmHilton/Lohan 2008!!
July 29th, 2007 at 7:36 pmBringing the discussion back to Mr. Fein, this was a good interview. I learn something new everytime I listen to him. He has given me more hope than anyone when it comes to impeaching Bush and Cheney. He knows Constitutional law and he makes such clear, logical, compelling arguments for impeaching these guys. I’m all for it, and yes, champagne will flow along with a lot of tears of joy and relief.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:36 pmHilton/Lohan 2008!!
why waste our time with such dribble?
July 29th, 2007 at 7:37 pmI forgot Frank Church. He was quite good. One poly sci teacher (working on his phd) I had at univ had been an aide to Church.
Comment by Keith G — July 29, 2007 @ 7:31 pm
If I remember correctly, Church was a great advocate for the environment. We have the Frank Church Wilderness Area over toward Montana. Almost totally wild areas, hikers love it.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:37 pmMr Inn? I don’t recognize you, but I like your style… carry on!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Zehava knows. {shes psychic that way=}
July 29th, 2007 at 7:38 pmZehava knows. {shes psychic that way=}
Comment by Mr Ur Inn — July 29, 2007 @ 7:38 pm
I can usually spot ya! Except when I don’t! :)
July 29th, 2007 at 7:40 pmwhy waste our time with such dribble?
Comment by Kay
I was jokin’ =P But, really, consider what we could accomplish with a couple of clueless people in office! And the idiot papparazzi would be enamored!
July 29th, 2007 at 7:41 pmMr. Inn left a clue to his identity above.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:41 pmI can usually spot ya! Except when I don’t! :)
Comment by Zooey — July 29, 2007 @ 7:40 pm
(pssst… I suspected as much… it’s a certain… smutty flair, shall we say!)
July 29th, 2007 at 7:42 pmI’ve been to southern Idaho. The sky is really big there. I thought it was awesome.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:42 pmI can usually spot ya! Except when I don’t! :)
Comment by Zooey
Your so humble. Don’t change a thing. =)
July 29th, 2007 at 7:42 pmI think there is no case for putting off impeachment. It’s urgent. It’ll get much uglier if we don’t impeach now.
Bush and his criminal gang will still lose…we Americans still believe in our unalienable rights and in liberty. But if Congress fails to fight for our Constitution (and they probably will), then WE THE PEOPLE will have to take our country back ourselves.
And we will.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:44 pmMr. Inn left a clue to his identity above.
Comment by Egreggious
Who me?
[Looks around sheepishly 8]
July 29th, 2007 at 7:50 pmIt’s like playing a game of Correspondence Chess through the mail!!!
Comment by Mr. President
Can’t say I have. Actually Virginia is a pretty state.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:52 pm(pssst… I suspected as much… it’s a certain… smutty flair, shall we say!)
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 29, 2007 @ 7:42 pm
*blush*
July 29th, 2007 at 8:03 pmPolitics in this country is today so divisive and so polarized that I don’t see it turning around any time soon.
July 29th, 2007 at 8:04 pmI recall that there were always good people in both parties; I may have disagreed with some philosophically, but they could enable me to see their point, or conversely, solidify my own point of view. Good politicians actually knew when to draw the line and would act for the good of the nation – not any more.
Renegades were eventually ignored, ousted or rendered impotent because the majority were more reasonable people – not any more.
Today, there is nothing but partisan politics, aided and abetted by the media who would rather cover fights and gossip than fact and truth.
Bruce Fein is one of those individuals with whom I often don’t agree with philosopically, but one can’t deny that he is a learned man who has the greater good of the nation at heart. All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing – Fein is doing something.
I’ve been to southern Idaho. The sky is really big there. I thought it was awesome.
Comment by Egreggious — July 29, 2007 @ 7:42 pm
We have a smaller, bluer sky — much less ostentatious. :)
July 29th, 2007 at 8:04 pmYour so humble. Don’t change a thing. =)
Comment by Mr Ur Inn — July 29, 2007 @ 7:42 pm
You guys are so sweet. :)
July 29th, 2007 at 8:05 pmAll that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing – Fein is doing something.
Comment by Marie — July 29, 2007 @ 8:04 pm
Agreed. it’s gotten really, really nasty out there, w/ no end in sight.
July 29th, 2007 at 8:05 pmComment by Marie — July 29, 2007 @ 8:04 pm
Absolutely, Marie. Even if we couldn’t agree with them politically, we could at least RESPECT them. Now, not at all. Any politician — either party — who puts party before country is not worthy of respect.
July 29th, 2007 at 8:07 pm[Looks around sheepishly 8]
Comment by Mr Ur Inn — July 29, 2007 @ 7:50 pm
Sheepishly??? Huh??? I thought we were in Idaho. Who brought up Utah? Before ya know it, Orrin Hatch will be here too…
July 29th, 2007 at 8:07 pmAgreed. it’s gotten really, really nasty out there, w/ no end in sight.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 29, 2007 @ 8:05 pm
I’m certain things will get much worse before they get better — but I’m also certain things will get better. We will repair the damage done to this country, and make it stronger.
July 29th, 2007 at 8:09 pmComment by The Republic of Stupidity
Heh. =) G1.
July 29th, 2007 at 8:09 pmSheepishly??? Huh??? I thought we were in Idaho. Who brought up Utah? Before ya know it, Orrin Hatch will be here too…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 29, 2007 @ 8:07 pm
There are more sheep in Idaho than there are people.
Just sayin’ :D
July 29th, 2007 at 8:10 pmUnfortunately the only people I respect are Feingold and Kucinich!
anybody wanna move to Finland with me?
July 29th, 2007 at 8:11 pmUnfortunately the only people I respect are Feingold and Kucinich!
anybody wanna move to Finland with me?
Comment by Kay — July 29, 2007 @ 8:11 pm
Agreed about feingold and Kucinich. I don’t think Kuch could get elected pres, but I think he’d make a fab cabint sec.
July 29th, 2007 at 8:22 pmThere are more sheep in Idaho than there are people.
Just sayin’ :D
Comment by Zooey — July 29, 2007 @ 8:10 pm
Be careful… some of the trolls find that out, they’ll be on their way. No more virgin wool from Idaho!
July 29th, 2007 at 8:23 pmHeil! Hitlary!
July 29th, 2007 at 8:24 pmWe will repair the damage done to this country, and make it stronger.
Comment by Zooey — July 29, 2007 @ 8:09 p
Hope so. This is depressing and scary. What did Joannie Mitchell once say? “Ya don’t know what you’ve got ’til it’s gone…”
July 29th, 2007 at 8:25 pmanybody wanna move to Finland with me?
Comment by Kay — July 29, 2007 @ 8:11 pm
New Zealand has it’s attractions. :)
July 29th, 2007 at 8:25 pmSieg Heil, HITLARY!
July 29th, 2007 at 8:28 pmHope so. This is depressing and scary. What did Joannie Mitchell once say? “Ya don’t know what you’ve got ’til it’s gone…â€
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 29, 2007 @ 8:25 pm
Yep, I think we were very complacent before GWB came along. We should have paid more attention when he first started sniffing around a presidential run. I never dreamed he’d actually get “elected!”
July 29th, 2007 at 8:28 pmYep, I think we were very complacent before GWB came along.
Comment by Zooey — July 29, 2007 @ 8:28 pm
The Clinton years.
A brief respite from the storm.
*sigh*
July 29th, 2007 at 8:32 pmI live but a few miles from Palatka, FL – the potato capital of the world. Idaho is not even close.
July 29th, 2007 at 8:33 pmit is funny as an educator to see such a divergent view of patriotism across both parties. Conservatives see have an authoritarian view of patriotism: primary allegiance to land, birthright, legal citizenship, and the governments cause. Non-questioning loyalty, support leaders unconditionally, blind to shortcomings and social discord within nation. Dissent is seen as dangerous and destabilizing. Often have sayings of my country right or wrong, love it or leave it. Equating opposition to the war in Iraq with hatred of America or support of terrorism. While Democratic Patriotism believes that a nations ideals are worthy of admiration and respect primary allegiance to principles that underlie democracy. Questioning, critical, deliberative. Care for all people of society based on principles. Outspoken in condemnation of shortcomings. Respectful even encouraging of dissent. Your have the right to not remain silent. I think most conservatives just were taught a different way and now face a cognitive dissanance when what they were told does not match up with what they see.
July 29th, 2007 at 8:34 pmNew Zealand has it’s attractions. :)
Comment by Zooey
That’s just the sheep talking.
Baaah
July 29th, 2007 at 8:34 pmHope so. This is depressing and scary. What did Joannie Mitchell once say? “Ya don’t know what you’ve got ’til it’s gone…â€
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
Pedant alert!
Joni Mitchell
Sorry. Won’t happen again.
July 29th, 2007 at 8:36 pmR of S
July 29th, 2007 at 8:40 pmThere is more than one song of the 60’s which is quite applicable today. The Joni Mitchell song you mention is quite suitable. Do you know the Buffalo Springfield song that goes,
There’s somethin’ happening here,
What it is ain’t exactly clear.
There’s a man with a gun over there,
Tellin’ me I gotta beware.
I think it’s time we stop,
Hey, what’s that sound,
Everybody look what’s going down.
Comment by chad — July 29, 2007 @ 8:34 pm
Well put, Chad.
I do take a little issue with this statement however:
Conservatives support “their” leaders unconditionally. A liberal leader is savaged.
July 29th, 2007 at 8:41 pmComment by Marie
For What It’s Worth
July 29th, 2007 at 8:41 pmPedant alert!
Joni Mitchell
Comment by gummitch — July 29, 2007 @ 8:36 pm
It took me a second to figure out who he was referring to.
July 29th, 2007 at 8:41 pmI live but a few miles from Palatka, FL – the potato capital of the world. Idaho is not even close.
Comment by WaltTheMan — July 29, 2007 @ 8:33 pm
Florida should put “Famous Potatoes” on their license plates! I find it totally embarrassing.
July 29th, 2007 at 8:43 pmThe Clinton years.
A brief respite from the storm.
*sigh*
Comment by Egreggious — July 29, 2007 @ 8:32 pm
Very happy years as well….divorced in 1993. Ahhhh…. :)
July 29th, 2007 at 8:44 pmThat’s just the sheep talking.
Baaah
Comment by gummitch — July 29, 2007 @ 8:34 pm
Kilts, gummitch, KILTS!!
July 29th, 2007 at 8:46 pmTRos Marie:
I prefer P.F Sloan’s and Barry McGuire’s Eve of Destruction, myself.
July 29th, 2007 at 8:47 pm
I like the potatoe.
(I did that on purpose).
July 29th, 2007 at 8:47 pmI like the potatoe.
(I did that on purpose).
Comment by Egreggious — July 29, 2007 @ 8:47 pm
That’s so funny, because I’m watching quail chase each other around my parking lot. :)
July 29th, 2007 at 8:58 pmThat’s so funny, because I’m watching quail chase each other around my parking lot. :)
Comment by Zooey — July 29, 2007 @ 8:58 pm
You have quail?
All I’ve got are rats.
July 29th, 2007 at 9:01 pmJoni Mitchell
Comment by gummitch — July 29, 2007 @ 8:36 pm
It took me a second to figure out who he was referring to.
Comment by Egreggious — July 29, 2007 @ 8:41 pm
Oops! My bad. I make the same mistake w/ Jimmie Hendricks too…
July 29th, 2007 at 9:03 pmVery happy years as well….divorced in 1993. Ahhhh…. :)
Comment by Zooey — July 29, 2007 @ 8:44 pm
I remember Clinton and his theme of change because I had extensive shoulder repair surgery right as he was being elected and spent a year trying to get my mobility back. That was the year I started writing music.
July 29th, 2007 at 9:03 pmEgreggious sez:
We’ve got squirrels, rabbits, and the occasional deer. ^_^
July 29th, 2007 at 9:03 pmThere’s somethin’ happening here,
What it is ain’t exactly clear.
There’s a man with a gun over there,
Tellin’ me I gotta beware.
I think it’s time we stop,
Hey, what’s that sound,
Everybody look what’s going down.
Comment by Marie — July 29, 2007 @ 8:40 pm
Aww, Marie… I love that song. It’s one of my best covers. I tried doing songs like “Mommas Don’t let Your Babies Grow Up To Be Cowboys” and you just don’t believe it for a second coming out of my mouth. But something slightly sinister and paranoid… you’d swear I wrote it. Hard to believe that song is over 40 years old now.
July 29th, 2007 at 9:06 pmHard to believe that song is over 40 years old now.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 29, 2007 @ 9:06 pm
I was just saying the same thing about my penis.
July 29th, 2007 at 9:08 pmComment by TripMaster Monkey
I know it isn’t the original, but you owe it to yourself to check out the version by The Pretty Things, from 1999. If you can’t find it, I’ll figure out how to send you a copy.
July 29th, 2007 at 9:10 pmOops! My bad. I make the same mistake w/ Jimmie Hendricks too…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
AAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
That’s just mean!
July 29th, 2007 at 9:11 pmYou have quail?
All I’ve got are rats.
Comment by Egreggious — July 29, 2007 @ 9:01 pm
And pheasant, too!
I saw a rat in the Winco parking lot in Portland. Neighbor of yours? :D
July 29th, 2007 at 9:12 pmI remember Clinton and his theme of change because I had extensive shoulder repair surgery right as he was being elected and spent a year trying to get my mobility back. That was the year I started writing music.
Comment by JG — July 29, 2007 @ 9:03 pm
I must say, JG, your music is quite beautiful. I sense a lot of feeling in it.
July 29th, 2007 at 9:15 pmThat’s just mean!
Comment by gummitch — July 29, 2007 @ 9:11 pm
What??? What???
July 29th, 2007 at 9:15 pmWe’ve got squirrels, rabbits, and the occasional deer. ^_^
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 29, 2007 @ 9:03 pm
We have bunnies too. Not enough cover for deer, and I’m happy without the tree rats. :)
July 29th, 2007 at 9:16 pmI saw a rat in the Winco parking lot in Portland. Neighbor of yours? :D
Comment by Zooey — July 29, 2007 @ 9:12 pm
I don’t have a strainer on my shower drain. The other day, I walked in the bathroom and a rat went down the drain! I couldn’t get to it and I didn’t want it to get into the kitchen and break into all the food, so I sealed the drain shut. I hope that rat found it’s way to the sewer, or my bathroom will soon smell even worse than it already does.
July 29th, 2007 at 9:16 pmAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
That’s just mean!
Comment by gummitch — July 29, 2007 @ 9:11 pm
You’re making it too easy, gummitch! Now I know all I have to do to bring you to your knees is mis-spell Joni or Jimi, or talk about drinking a nice refreshing Corona. :-D
July 29th, 2007 at 9:18 pmYou’re making it too easy, gummitch!
Comment by Zooey — July 29, 2007 @ 9:18 pm
Really… talk about giving us a roadmap to your sore spots…
July 29th, 2007 at 9:21 pmI hope that rat found it’s way to the sewer, or my bathroom will soon smell even worse than it already does.
Comment by Egreggious — July 29, 2007 @ 9:16 pm
Oh, ick! I think I’d have to move. :P
When I lived in Louisiana, after they harvested the soy bean fields the rats would move into our houses. Disgusting. I was almost as terrified of the rat traps as I was the rats.
July 29th, 2007 at 9:22 pmReally… talk about giving us a roadmap to your sore spots…
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 29, 2007 @ 9:21 pm
I raised two sons. I learned to never flinch — spiders, garter snakes, slugs, leeches — no hint of the freakout until they were outside again. Otherwise, I’m sure I would have found the critters in my bed.
Maybe gummitch will learn with grandchildren…..? :D
July 29th, 2007 at 9:25 pmOh, ick! I think I’d have to move. :P
Comment by Zooey — July 29, 2007 @ 9:22 pm
Ick?
Ah, the memories.
July 29th, 2007 at 9:27 pm#148 TMM
July 29th, 2007 at 9:33 pmTHAT IS A VERY GOOD ONE FOR TODAY!
That was was also remembered recently by my co-worker.
He’s a smart guy like you.
Ick?
Ah, the memories.
Comment by Egreggious — July 29, 2007 @ 9:27 pm
Sorry, maybe he’ll be back….
July 29th, 2007 at 9:35 pmWe have bunnies too. Not enough cover for deer, and I’m happy without the tree rats. :)
Comment by Zooey — July 29, 2007 @ 9:16 pm
We have deer, racoons, and skunks (yuck). The skunks come out on hot nights in the summer and let loose outside our bedroom window. It is usually because they get startled by our cats. I HATE it when they do that. There is nothing worse than waking up to that smell…
July 29th, 2007 at 9:51 pmWe have deer, racoons, and skunks (yuck). The skunks come out on hot nights in the summer and let loose outside our bedroom window. It is usually because they get startled by our cats. I HATE it when they do that. There is nothing worse than waking up to that smell…
Comment by JG — July 29, 2007 @ 9:51 pm
Oh yeah….the skunks. We’ve got them too. Blech.
July 29th, 2007 at 9:54 pmSorry, maybe he’ll be back….
Comment by Zooey — July 29, 2007 @ 9:35 pm
I’m afraid there’s too much shame.
And, at this point, still too sore.
July 29th, 2007 at 9:56 pmI’m afraid there’s too much shame.
And, at this point, still too sore.
Comment by Egreggious — July 29, 2007 @ 9:56 pm
Him or you? :D
If he shows up, but pretend you didn’t notice him. I’m sure he’ll take the hint. Heh.
July 29th, 2007 at 10:01 pmYou don’t believe
We’re on the eve of destruction
Mm, no no, you don’t believe
We’re on the eve of destruction.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
I met Barry and PF at John Phillips’ memorial concert in West Hollywood.
Both he and Scott McKenzie were doing Christian music. I guess when you head toward 70, you know that you better figure out and believe in what’s coming…
July 29th, 2007 at 10:18 pm“CRUDE AWAKENING! Sorry, friends, I attached the impeachment site again instead. This is a “MUST READâ€. PEAK OIL…..”
It’s really too bad our “liberal” media has had a virtual media blackout about Peak Oil. I have known about it for years now and that is one reason why I am joining a co-housing community. I feel my ability to survive what is coming as a result of peak oil will be much better living in a loving and supportive community.
Most scientists think that we are at the peak right now or we have past that point. Peak oil is the reason why Bush started this conflagration in the middle east. Somehow his pea brain was convinced that if we destabilize the middle east, all their oil is going to start flowing our way. He is dumber than dirt. Those countries are not going to reward our bad behavior by giving us first shot at their oil.
If we don’t start NOW finding alternative energy sources, we are in major trouble as a country. Many European countries can survive without oil, we can’t.
And the thing I don’t understand is why the Republicans are not behind alternative energy sources. It will be a major money making industry once it gets started. So, intelligence would say that we should get these alternative sources of energy going BEFORE we run out of oil. But, Corporate America is not known for seeing the big picture. All they can see is the next dollar in front of them.
July 29th, 2007 at 11:41 pm“Do y’ think they’re gonna kick me out?!?!
Comment by Mr. President — July 29, 2007 @ 7:03 pm”
Probably not. Unlike your beloved Republicans, liberal websites tend to allow dissenting views no matter now inane and stupid they may be.
Can you name ONE Republican website that allows dissenting opinions?
July 29th, 2007 at 11:49 pmDemcocrats should introduce a bill saying America ( Bush ) will not Attack Iran without engaging in direct talks
The current approach is failing because of the Immature Attitude of Congress
July 30th, 2007 at 6:12 amlol, it’s just not going to happen.
Although Bill Clinton was impeached for …. nothing, Democrats don’t have the guts to reciprocate.
July 30th, 2007 at 2:32 pm