Gorbachev: U.S. as superpower has caused ‘disorder.’
By on Jul 29th, 2007 at 12:14 am
Gorbachev: U.S. as superpower has caused ‘disorder.’
“Former Soviet president Mikhail Gorbachev criticized the United States, and President Bush in particular, on Friday for sowing disorder across the world by seeking to build an empire.”
“The Americans then gave birth to the idea of a new empire, world leadership by a single power, and what followed?” Gorbachev asked reporters at a news conference in Moscow.
“What has followed are unilateral actions, what has followed are wars, what has followed is ignoring the U.N. Security Council, ignoring international law and ignoring the will of the people, even the American people,” he said.
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To the Haig with the whole bunch. War criminals they are.
July 29th, 2007 at 12:23 amThat would be Hague, I hope. Otherwise, we are raising a particularly creepy ghost.
July 29th, 2007 at 12:25 amGorby’s right. Plain and simple.
July 29th, 2007 at 12:26 amRussia to deploy S-400 air defense systems around Moscow Aug. 6
The system is reportedly highly capable of destroying stealth aircraft, cruise missiles, and ballistic missiles with an effective range of up to 3,500 kilometers (2,200 miles), and a speed of up to 4.8 kilometers (3 miles) per second.
-twice the range of the U.S. MIM-104 Patriot
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070725/69607443.html
July 29th, 2007 at 12:31 amYes to Gorby, Gorby, Gorby!
No to Chimpy, Chimpy, Chimpy.
-GSD
July 29th, 2007 at 12:32 amComment by gummitch
Thanks for correcting my spelling…either way, hang the bastards. Anything else would be too good for them.
July 29th, 2007 at 12:34 amGood for Gorbi, Every one in the world with the exception of the reich winged dictator and his follower’s are speaking out…..OT. Sorry…Tonight is the Blessing full moon….I send you all Blessings…Nite.
July 29th, 2007 at 12:43 amA senior world statesman – and a man who gets too little credit for his part in ending the cold war – has pegged Bush for what he really is: a monarchical tyrant. Bush should be ashamed, but we know he lacks the capacity. it will be years before we quantify and understand the damage he has done.
Thanks to all Americans who, for whatever twisted reason, voted him into office in 2000 and/or 2004. You can’t claim that all of the warning signs weren’t there.
July 29th, 2007 at 12:56 amUnfortunately the US is not a member of the ICC at the Hague. As far as I know, only Bill Richardson is the only Democrat in favor of the ICC treaty, which would enable prosecuting the current administration as war criminals in violation of the Geneva Conventions.
Bush buying 100k acres in Paraguay (where the Nazis went after WW2) and Cheney’s Halliburton moving to Dubai are nothing but bets on their future lack of prosecution by leaving the US.
The DLC democrats are too spineless to do anything and should be voted out of office, as should the Bush/Cheney watercarriers. Whatever happened to government of the people, for the people and by the people?
July 29th, 2007 at 1:00 amTonight is the Blessing full moon….I send you all Blessings…Nite.
Comment by Sharon — July 29, 2007 @ 12:43 am
Blessings.
Goodnight, Great Lady.
July 29th, 2007 at 1:29 amWe need to follow Jesus’ admonishament to quit worrying about the mote in our neighbor’s eye and worry about the beam in our own.
What gives us the right to interfere in the internal affairs of other nations?
Sadly, I am reminded of a line from the movie “The Boys in Company C,” which concerned the war in Viet Nam.
A Marine Drill Sgt. says, “Those are body bags. Uncle Sam uses them for rubbers. You see them when he’s been f**king around.”
July 29th, 2007 at 1:44 am#9. Can you provide a link to Bush’s purchase of land in Paraguay? That is the first I have heard of any purchase and I’d like to know more. BTW, I’m a native born cheesehead. Thanks.
July 29th, 2007 at 1:47 amSomething wicked this way shall come. Deservedly so.
July 29th, 2007 at 1:51 amGorbi is correct, but, you have to look at motives. Is he saying this because his country is the antithesis of our capitalism (which is wrong also) or is he saying this to score points? (This is not particularly articulate, but you know what I suggest)?
July 29th, 2007 at 1:52 amCT?
July 29th, 2007 at 1:53 amI think that like latter day repugs, Gorbi is cashing in on the horror of this administration. Is he writing a book? Wants to look good compared to our follies? He wasn’t all that great when he was in charge, but maybe in comparison?
Just being cynical or skeptical here.
July 29th, 2007 at 2:04 amIts a sad day when a Russian has to chastise a US president for international war crimes.
When is the rest of the country going to wake up?
July 29th, 2007 at 2:09 amOh, wrong CT, my bad.
July 29th, 2007 at 2:11 amHey Packer Fan,
July 29th, 2007 at 2:15 amBefore you call the Congressional Dems spineless.. re-read your manual on basic Republican horseshit.. you’ll find a whole chapter on ‘perfunctory denunciations’ ..
while your comprehension is compulsory.. your obligation to differentiate shit from shinola is mandatory..
those that know shit don’t support Rudy, Santorum, Boehner, Michelle Bachmann, or any of the other twitty-twat dimwits that pervade the Republican obstructionist party..
in the future please do us a favor..
display a compendium of cognizance and slam the TTD’s before you castigate those who are at least trying to rid our country hillbilly governance..
..
Yeah let’s believe the word of a Communist!
July 29th, 2007 at 2:23 amMr. President, you were not wrong, I am just not that articulate.
July 29th, 2007 at 2:24 amI do think that Mr. Gorbi is cashing in like so many repugs are these days.
This site should be renamed Think Satlinist!
You clowns support Muslims ansd Communists!
The only Russian I respect is Putin!
July 29th, 2007 at 2:28 amHe knows how to deal with his enemies!
I pray for an American Putin!
I blame Cheney and his neocancervatives but Bush deserves the blame too as the puppet boy for these evil bastards behind the scenes. Kucinich is right on in his impeachment effort against neocon Dick, that would put most of this “superpower” meddling crap to rest quick.
July 29th, 2007 at 2:30 amCT, I don’t think I’ve heard you use the word “repugs” before…
How would you describe your own political affiliation?
July 29th, 2007 at 2:31 amWell, this is the mild stuff. What was not reported here in the West was Putin’s declaration of war after the recent G8. I suggest you take a look here and here.
July 29th, 2007 at 2:32 amIraq may ask the US to send betrayus home. I hope he’s fragged on his way.
July 29th, 2007 at 2:33 amBush/USA just signed an agreement to provide US$20 billion worth of military equipment to Saudi Arabia, a country which DOESN”T allow women to DRIVE CARS.
Yet, you keep attacking Iran, which is miles ahead in this area.
The rest of the world is tired of your inability to see yourself as anything but good guys bringing “democracy” to the rest of the world. Just ask Saudi women what your policies really mean.
July 29th, 2007 at 2:37 amThat didn’t come out quite right. Try these instead:
Putin’s Censored Press Conference
Putin’s War Whoop
July 29th, 2007 at 2:38 amJust ask Saudi women what your policies really mean.
BwAaAAHAhAHAHaHAHAHAHAHahAhahaaAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Saudi women are allowed to talk?
July 29th, 2007 at 2:39 amGorby has some experience with the caliber of man that inhabits Cheneys office. I hope for our country that someone in our country has the courage and wherewithall that Yeltsin had.
July 29th, 2007 at 2:46 am“BwAaAAHAhAHAHaHAHAHAHAHahAhahaaAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Saudi women are allowed to talk?”
If Amerikans are so racist the rest of the world will end up supporting the rising russia-china-india axis powers.
July 29th, 2007 at 2:46 amI think that like latter day repugs, Gorbi is cashing in on the horror of this administration. Is he writing a book? Wants to look good compared to our follies? He wasn’t all that great when he was in charge, but maybe in comparison?
Just being cynical or skeptical here.
Comment by CT — July 29, 2007 @ 2:04 am
(emphasis added by me)
Did I miss something here? The man who brought Perestroika and Glasnost? The man who brought Soviet troops out of Afghanistan? The man, who enabled countries of the eastern block to peacefully reform to democracy? The man, who ulitimately enabled German Unification? Well, depends on what you call great!
July 29th, 2007 at 2:59 amDear fellow progressives,
If you’ll indulge me while I digress from the topic at hand, I have a little story to tell. A couple days ago I visited the site RedState.com, just to see, for once, what they were saying on the other side of the blogosphere. It was basically what you would expect. But at the same time, I’ll admit, it was a mite intriguing. Here I was cavorting with the enemy, so to speak.
So, for the fun of it I decided to enter the fray and join the discussion. I commented. I blogged with abandon. I danced and weaved my arguments with great passion, and paried when attacked, which was often. It was just what I was in the mood for. All was going so well, I almost forgot about the potential pitfalls…
And then, it happened. I was banned. Upon trying to login at one point, I was informed that my username was blocked or deactivated. My heart sank. I couldn’t believe it. Surely this was a mistake. They weren’t actually THAT petty and cowardly, were they? But sadly, apparently it was so.
But I had experienced such heights of joy, I couldn’t surrender so easily….I quickly created a new email address, and lickity-split I was back in action, blogging merrily away amongst the hordes of Fox-defenders and Bush-lovers, defying their simplistic arguments with actual evidence and critical thinking.
This was where I wanted to be! This was my calling! Maybe, just maybe, I could manage to turn one or two away from the ravages of Darth Cheney, and give them a glimpse of the light! Yes, I would show them the truth, and they would love me for it!!
But no, it was not meant to be. It happened again. After successfully sending through a particularly witty comment, I went on to write yet another, satisfying those deep urges like only blogging can. And then I was denied. My comment failed to be posted this time. I was informed, once again, that my username was no longer recognized, barely an hour after it had been created.
But it was even worse than that, my friends–much worse. I can barely even speak (errr…blog..) the words. So I’ll just shout it out loud, for all to hear. I tried to reload their homepage, to see if at least my previous comments still remained, only to encounter……stark whiteness. Nothing. A mysterious, unrelenting vaccuum staring out at me. THEY BLOCKED MY COMPUTER!!!!!!!! The horror!!
Seriously, they blocked my computer from entering their site whatsoever. And no, folks, I was not using loads of four-letter words, threatening people with metaphorical uzis, or suggesting (like, for example, Bill O’Reilly once, on the air) that terrorists attacking a certain American city would be just fine. No, I was simply blogging away as bloggers do, opinionated and possibly annoying, but not much worse than that. But apparently, if you don’t follow in single-file behind their right-wing credo, then you are not allowed to exist in their corner of the blogosphere.
So, my fellow progressives, liberals, dems, rebels-with-a-cause, I’m calling for action. If you feel the call, go to RedState.com. And……blog! Comment! Opine! Because, apparently, that is what they fear most.
And by the way, if you happen to be curious who this offending liberal is (because my comments might still be up there, they were from my first username) it’s gabejedmo (or else gabejedmo1, my second username). Look around and you may find the faded shadow of my ghost lurking in the corners of that website, somewhat dejected, but certainly not down for the count. I’m simply keeping my profile low; awaiting the most auspicious time to come forth again and make my presence known. Because, god willing, I shall not cower in vain. I will not be pushed around by people in suits and ties, and pants-suits, and pants-ties (huh?), with perfectly-cropped side-burns, and glaringly-white teeth, and expensive watches, and fancy, silken underwear, and….well, whatever right-wingers wear. I will be back…I WILL BE BACK!!!
But, if not, maybe you will redeem me, stand up for freedom and help fight against the voices of tyranny (seriously) and blog a little for me. RedState.com. Check it out. And let them feel the wrath (but in a generally polite sorta way) of the liberal.
July 29th, 2007 at 4:06 amHi Gabejedmo, Good job!
July 29th, 2007 at 4:32 amJust had a look. Your old comments as G1 are still there. It says something about [retreat.disredard] at the top, but it’s there. Hope nobody will bang on your door next.
Hi Gabejedmo, Good job!
Just had a look. Your old comments as G1 are still there. It says something about [retreat.disredard] at the top, but it’s there. Hope nobody will bang on your door next.
Comment by doro
See thread below Gabe =)
July 29th, 2007 at 4:38 am#12 Just Google “Bush Paraguay” for a whole list of reports on Bush’s purchase of land in Paraguay close to a US military base there.
#19 I’m not a democrat. I just call’m as I see’m. Take off the blinders and see that our current group of politicos are ALL responsible for the mess this country is in.
I currently reside in the “billy-bob” south. There are NO democrats on the county ballot. Whomever wins the republican primary wins the election. Corruption is rampant. I’ve often said that the TV sitcom “Dukes of Hazzard” is actually a documentary for my county government. The state actually sends observers to city and county meetings to make sure that state law (rather than Baptist religion law) is adhered to. Welcome to America in the age of religious zealots.
July 29th, 2007 at 5:14 amVous avez les lèvres comme du foie meurtri!
July 29th, 2007 at 5:21 amVous avez les lèvres comme du foie meurtri!
Comment by drinkypoo — July 29, 2007 @ 5:21 am
Qu’est-ce-que ça veut dire? Comme commentaire sur le sujet c’est utile??
July 29th, 2007 at 5:40 amRe: Gabejedmo
I too get banned from the wingnut sites, but I do not stay banned, because whenever they block my IP address, I simply request a new one from my ISP! (Assuming you do not have a static one because you are running a website.)
If you are using windows:
1. Click Start and click Run
2. Enter “cmd” into the box and click OK.
3. Enter “ipconfig /renew” into the command window and press Enter (Use the arrow keys to move and not the mouse.)
4. When the command says that it is done, click the X to close the commad window.
Now go back and give em hell!
July 29th, 2007 at 7:09 amGorbachev won the 1990 Nobel Peace Prize.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:11 amTHE POWER OF THE PURSE
Don’t give the democrats anymore money until they begin IMPEACHMENT proceedings against this administration.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:13 amcriticalthinker, thank you very much for the pointer, I shall give it a try….(No risk of screwing up my connection somehow if I mess it up is there??)
July 29th, 2007 at 7:14 amCultivating Criminality: The Centrality of Deviance To The Scientific Dictatorship
On the February 13, 2006 edition of MSNBC’s Live and Direct, Rita Cosby examined the growing street gang known as La Mara Salvatrucha or MS-13 . This criminal enterprise is transnational in scope, stretching from “El Salvador to Honduras to Guatemala to New Mexico, and now on U.S. soil” (no pagination). Infamous for their exceptionally violent methods, MS-13 has ascended to a prominent position in the criminal underworld. Rita Cosby elaborates:
The majority of MS-13 members are foreign-born and are frequently involved in human and drug smuggling and immigration violations. Like most street gangs, MS-13 members are also committed to such crimes as robbery, extortion, rape and murder. They also run a well-financed prostitution ring.
This notorious gang, best known for their violent methods, can now be found in 33 states, with an estimated 10,000 members and more than 40,000 in Central America. The FBI says MS-13 are the fastest growing and most violent of the nation’s street gangs. So much so, even other gangs fear them.
____ Desirable Criminality?
Paradoxical though it may seem, deviance provides the power elite with an element of stability.
http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Commentary/Criminality.htm
__ The third function of deviance is the provision of a “safety valve” (157). Crime is a necessary cathartic exercise, allowing
people to avenge themselves against the dominant social order (157). Fragmented deviance is a viable alternative to civil unrest. From the perspective of the power elite, individual criminal acts are far more desirable than movements unified by common dissent. Criminality effectively atomizes society, stultifying grass roots opposition to the oligarchs. The rationale underpinning this third function inverts the classic mantra, “United we stand, divided we fall.” Division becomes central to societal stability. Deviance, which fractures the social body by promulgating fear and paranoia among its members, becomes an agent of stability.
The fourth and most significant function of deviance is its role in the inducement of social change (157). Through shock and trauma, crime makes populations more tractable. Again, September 11th stands as a prime example…..
July 29th, 2007 at 7:22 amThanks for telling us cheesehead. I am a Christian but we need to counter the rw propaganda, cutting edge.com rapturewatch.com have fundamentalist Christian teaching BUT they link to sites exposing the NWO, CFR, the whole bush crime family, alex jones and 911 truthsites.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:28 amTHIS IS DONE IN YOUR NAME:
http://rawstory.com/showoutarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fobserver.guardian.co.uk%2Fuk_news%2Fstory%2F0%2C%2C2137144%2C00.html
David Rose
Sunday July 29, 2007
The Observer
An Iraqi who was a key source of intelligence for MI5 has given the first ever full insider’s account of being seized by the CIA and bundled on to an illegal ‘torture flight’ under the programme known as extraordinary rendition.
In a remarkable interview for The Observer, British resident Bisher al-Rawi has told how he was betrayed by the security service despite having helped keep track of Abu Qatada, the Muslim cleric accused of being Osama bin Laden’s ‘ambassador in Europe’. He was abducted and stripped naked by US agents, clad in nappies, a tracksuit and shackles, blindfolded and forced to wear ear mufflers, then strapped to a stretcher on board a plane bound for a CIA ‘black site’ jail near Kabul in Afghanistan.
He was taken on to the jail at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba before being released last March and returned to Britain after four years’ detention without charge.
‘All the way through that flight I was on the verge of screaming,’ al-Rawi said. ‘At last we landed, I thought, thank God it’s over. But it wasn’t – it was just a refuelling stop in Cairo. There were hours still to go … My back was so painful, the handcuffs were so tight. All the time they kept me on my back. Once, I managed to wriggle a tiny bit, just shifted my weight to one side. Then I felt someone hit my hand. Even this was forbidden.’
He was thrown into the CIA’s ‘Dark Prison,’ deprived of all light 24 hours a day in temperatures so low that ice formed on his food and water. He was taken to Guantanamo in March 2003 and released after being cleared of any involvement in terrorism by a tribunal.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:31 amcriticalthinker…..I followed the instructions and it seemed to go through fine, but then no luck, still not getting through to the site. Maybe they have some fancy newer way to block people that’s harder to counter, but I’m not compter savvy at all, maybe I just didn’t do it right. anyway not a big deal, only slightly annoying…..there are other places to harass the right wing spin madness when one so wishes……..but seriously, it’s so ridiculous that they would block people like that, their grip on reality must be awfully fragile…..
July 29th, 2007 at 7:31 amDISSENT = IMPRISONMENT
Read This!
http://www.thedailystar.com/news/stories/2007/07/25/jprowearrest0722.html
THEN…
Watch this!
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3837554806768067398
Loose Change Producer kidnapped by Army:
http://www.prisonplanet.com./articles/july2007/250707neoconscheer.htm
SPREAD THE WORD!
THIS IS NOT AMERICA
July 29th, 2007 at 7:33 amGabejedmo:
What I think is most ironic is the article you responded to that got you banned:
No Alternative Viewpoints, Please. We Are The “Reality-Based Community.”
The posters were lamenting that liberals objected to a debate on Fox. The gist of the article was that the right is more open-minded than the left.
So, naturally they ban you for giving an alternate view! Apparently the person who banned you is a user named Moe Lane. I clicked on the name for info about the user, and I was denied access.
Hypocrisy, thy name is Republican.
July 29th, 2007 at 7:33 amace: So, you don’t think desertion deserves a punishment?
July 29th, 2007 at 7:50 am#
ace: So, you don’t think desertion deserves a punishment?
Comment by Boudin Bob — July 29, 2007 @ 7:50 am
#
Do you have proof of his desertion or EVIDENCE of the circumstances under which he left the Army?
Having known his whereabouts for years, is there a particular reason for the timing of his arrest now?
July 29th, 2007 at 7:53 amAce:
Very powerful stuff. Thanks. The third link, btw, says “access forbidden.”
July 29th, 2007 at 8:03 amI must bring to your attention the fact that this “empire” building began long before W Bush and that liberal Tony Blair was also a participant.
I repeat an analogy I made on friday. The democrats and neo-cons are engaged in a political maneuver similar to nautical tacking. The illussion is that we are heading in different directions when we switch parties but in fact they are both taking us in the same direction, a direction which is indeed leading us to a fascist state of powerful corporate and government cooperation slowly enslaving the American people.
The only way to reverse course is to starve DC and return to the principles of our founding fathers who attempted to limit the size and scope of the federal gov..
The sixteenth amendment undermined this principle and has allowed DC to grow in power at an alarming rate.
A small victory and glimmer of hope for reversal of this trend took place recently. A federal judge aquitted a man of tax evasion because the IRS failed to prove the legality of the federal income tax on labor.
See http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007707130321
July 29th, 2007 at 8:06 am“Most people prefer to believe that their leaders are just and fair, even in the face of evidence to the contrary, because once a citizen acknowledges that the government under which he lives is lying and corrupt, the citizen has to choose what he or she will do about it. To take action in the face of corrupt government entails risks of harm to life and loved ones. To choose to do nothing is to surrender one’s self-image of standing for principles. Most people do not have the courage to face that choice. Hence, most propaganda is not designed to fool the critical thinker but only to give moral cowards an excuse not to think at all.â€
Michael Rivera
Military’s Information War Is Vast and Often Secretive
By JEFF GERTH
“The media center in Fayetteville, N.C., would be the envy of any global communications company …
“The center is not part of a news organization, but a military operation, and those writers and producers are soldiers. The 1,200-strong psychological operations unit based at Fort Bragg turns out what its officers call “truthful messages” to support the United States government’s objectives, though its commander acknowledges that those stories are one-sided and their American sponsorship is hidden.
“We call our stuff information and the enemy’s propaganda,” said Col. Jack N. Summe, then the commander of the Fourth Psychological Operations Group, during a tour in June. Even in the Pentagon, “some public affairs professionals see us unfavorably,” and inaccurately, he said, as “lying, dirty tricksters.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/11/politics/11propaganda.html?pagewa
July 29th, 2007 at 8:27 amJapan PM suffers election blow
July 29th, 2007 at 8:36 amSPEAKERS UP!!!
LISTEN
LEARN
http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/viewtopic.php?t=1388&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=
July 29th, 2007 at 8:37 amAccording to Bob Woodward’s newest book “State Of Denial†Henry Kissinger has been advising President Bush and Vice President Cheney about Iraq, telling them that “victory is the only meaningful exit strategy,”
No “Victory†– No “Exit†– Ever. As long as you never define “victory.†Get it?
Kissinger was nearly the head of the CFR Whitewash 911 commission before Zelikow was installed to guard the evidence, and protect the guilty.
Today, Kissinger still continues to serve as a trustee of the powerful Rockefeller Brothers Fund, as a counselor to Rockefellers’ Chase Manhattan Bank, and as a member of Chase’s International Advisory Committee. Kissinger’s media influence is evident from his having served on the board of CBS, Inc., and having been a paid consultant to both NBC News and ABC News. That takes care of all three networks.
the Rockefellers run our political system, as well as our banking system (the Fed) our oil companies (Exxon Mobil) the Big Pharma companies, and most of the Airline industry… The list goes on.
With Heinz Kissinger over-lording the white house, & James Baker III (the Carlyle Group – and Bush family consigliere) sitting at the Oval Office desk (He has an un-official office there full time, but the media goes along with his story that he is just now climbing out of his bunker, and hasn’t had a hand in politics since he sealed the stolen “selection†in 2000…)
Does anyone still doubt that Poppy Bush (or his controllers) are still in power? A good case can be made that these people have been in power since the coup forged by the assassination of John F. Kennedy.
LBJ was known in the Press as “The Brown & Root†(Skull & Bones / Halliburton) candidate. The prime benefactor in Vietnam was KBR.
Carter was quickly absorbed by the Trilateral Commission (AKA the new Council on Foreign relations – founded by David Rockefeller who is still the honorary chairman) The TC was “founded by Zbigniew Brzezinski (CFR member and founding member of the Trilateral Commission, and National Security Advisor to five presidents….) who called for a Pearl Harbor style event to secure the Globalist agenda in his book “The Grand Chessboard†that reared its ugly head again with the Project for a New American Century (PNAC) many years later.
Clinton was allegedly from the Rockefeller bloodline (Winthrop Rockefeller his real daddy). As a Rhodes Scholar Clinton would’ve been conditioned to the same Globalist agenda as the Bush(s) at Yale, where by the way John Kerry and Hillary Clinton attended – for future reference… Bill Clinton rose to power from the state of Arkansas which was, and is completely controlled by the Rockefellers. He was known to be a business partner of Poppy Bush, something that isn’t a secret anymore. Most important of all Clinton completely covered up for the Crimes of Poppy Bush.
http://thebloodreport.blogspot.com/2006/10/heinz-kissinger-still-acting-as-white.html
David Rockefeller & Dick Cheney:
American Traitors…
Cheney laughs about lying to his constituents in order to get elected:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdxLYuvvbgs&NR
July 29th, 2007 at 8:43 amre: criticalthinker, thank you very much for the pointer, I shall give it a try….(No risk of screwing up my connection somehow if I mess it up is there??)
Comment by Gabejedmo — July 29, 2007 @ 7:14 am
This command is perfectly safe because it is automatically run by Windows if you do not use your connection in 30 days or if you connect and disconnect the modem.
If running the command makes you feel unconfortable:
1. Turn off your computer.
2. Unplug you modem for at least one miniute and plug it back in.
3. Turn you computer back on.
4. You will have another IP address in the pool of many owned by your ISP.
If you want to know what your IP address is without changing it, run the “ipconfig” command all by itself without the “/renew” parameter.
There is a slight probability that you will get an IP address that they already blocked, so in that case if you keep a list of which ones are blocked, you can always get another one if your ISP assigns you a blocked one again.
The benefit of constanty changing your IP address way is that the wingnut sites cannot keep any IP address blocked forever, because their own wingnuts who have the same ISP as you will not be able to use the site either when they get assigned that IP address!
If you are really serious about surfing the internet anonymously, then you should either pay for http://www.anonymizer.com/ or use the free http://tor.eff.org/ wbsites.
July 29th, 2007 at 8:46 am“I observed firsthand the formation of the Pentagon’s Office of Special Plans and watched the latter stages of the neoconservative capture of the policy-intelligence nexus in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq,†writes retired U.S. Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Karen Kwiatkowski. “This seizure of the reins of U.S. Middle East policy was directly visible to many of us working in the Near East South Asia policy office, and yet there seemed to be little any of us could do about it.†Kwiatkowski writes elsewhere that “Israel’s hawks have long recognized that the co-optation, or barring that, the destruction of Iraq was necessary for a more permanent approach, the clean break, the assertion of Israel’s monopoly of force in the Middle East. Our country, for only two trillion dollars and a few hundred thousand dead and maimed on all sides, has facilitated the destruction of Iraq,†and, if the Pentagon neocons have their way, the destruction of Iran will follow in order, according to plan, as the United States is now Israel’s proxy, as Sniegoski reminds us.
Air Force Brig. Gen. Mark O. Schissler is not retired, so he has yet to experience one of JINSA’s (the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs) infamous and stepfordizing Israel walking tours, but he is completely onboard with the now patented “clash of civilizations†palaver, an ideological stance well-ensconced in the Pentagon.
“The American people need to prepare for a long-duration war against radical Muslims who are set to fight for 50 to 100 years to create an Islamist state in the region,†writes Bill Gertz, seasoned Iraq invasion propaganda disseminator, for the Moonie Times, otherwise known as the Washington Times. Schissler is deputy director for the “war on terrorism†within the strategic plans office of the Pentagon’s Joint Staff. “I don’t care about the politics.
“Our enemy,†naturally, just so happens to be Israel’s, as well. And although the frontline neocons—Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, and Richard Perle—are no longer at the Pentagon, their “Grand Strategy for the Middle East†(called the “Bush-Sharon Grand Strategy†in 2003 by Patrick Buchanan) lives on at the highest reaches of the Pentagon, as the remarks of Schissler reveal.
http://kurtnimmo.com/?p=697
July 29th, 2007 at 9:02 amThe Necon fascist (http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2003/3027ledeen_iran.html SYNARCHISM-NAZI/COMMUNISM’ Michael Ledeen Demands `Regime Change’ in Iran : by by Scott Thompson We have already crossed the Rubicon. We are already in Hell. World War III in Eurasia is already ongoing. There was not an Iraq war; there is a continuing Iraq war. There was not an Afghanistan war; there is a continuing Afghanistan war. There’s already an onset of a war with Iran, being run covertly, as a covert operation, from the United States, in Iran right now! You see it on the television screens here. That is not a spontaneous student movement. That is a U.S.-run destabilization of Iran, trying to set up the conditions for a war. The situation in Korth Korea; other situations I know of; we are now inside World War III. It is not something that we could prevent from happening. We’re there. –Address by Lyndon LaRouche in Istanbul, Turkey, June 14, 2003
Ledeen’s ideas are quoted daily by such figures as Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz. His views virtually define the stark departure from American foreign policy philosophy that characterized United States actions since September 11, 2001…. Now Ledeen is calling for ‘regime change’ beyond Iraq. In an address titled ‘Time to Focus on Iran: The Mother of Modern Terrorism,’ for the policy forum of the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA) on April 30, he declared: “The time for diplomacy is at the end; it is time for a free Iran, a free Syria and free Lebanon.” –William O. Beeman, “Michael Ledeen: Neoconservative Guru,” in The Daily Star, Beirut, Lebanon, May 9, 2003
The same drumbeat for “regime change” that led to war against Iraq, is now coming from the mouths of Vice President Dick Cheney’s “chicken-hawk” cabal; only now, the target is Iran. This destabilization is being run through U.S. private foundations and think-tanks, to overthrow the government in Iran, and run a destabilization, and/or military strike against Iran’s nuclear energy production facilities.
The pointman is Michael Ledeen, who divides his time among National Review Online, JINSA, and the American Enterprise Institute (AEI). Ledeen is stirring up the networks in Congress and the press, and lining up tainted intelligence to justify war on Iran.
This is the same Michael Ledeen, who, as a consultant to the Reagan-Bush Administration National Security Council in the mid-1980s, was a pivotal criminal figure in the Iran-Contra fiasco, covertly peddling weapons to the very Ayatollahs whom he is now plotting to overthrow. He is also the same Ledeen who now calls for the United States to wage war against Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Sudan, Libya because, he alleges, they are all “masters of terror.” Yet in the 1980s, Ledeen was one of the biggest promoters in Washington of the so-called Afghansi mujahideen–including Osama bin Laden–whom he touted as “freedom fighters” and “champions of the democratic struggle against totalitarian communism.”
Ledeen’s operations are not merely the rantings of deeply disturbed wanna-be Il Duce. His efforts should be understood as reflecting the immediate intentions of the Administration neo-conservatives. His cronies, Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz and Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Doug Feith, are the key advisors to Secretary of Defense Donald “Dr. Strangelove” Rumsfeld.
Ledeen, the self-proclaimed “universal fascist,” has long been under scrutiny by EIR researchers, as a man who has been in the midst of some of the dirtiest covert intelligence operations of the past 30 years. EIR’s Special Report of April 1987, Project Democracy: The ‘Parallel Government’ Behind the Iran-Contra Affair, put a spotlight on Ledeen, from which I draw some of the brief profile published here.
Ledeen, as he wrote in his book Machiavelli on Modern Leadership: Why Machiavelli’s Iron Rules Are As Timely and Important Today as Five Centuries Ago (New York: St. Martin’s Press, 2000), is a believer in “total war” through “creative violence.” There is no such thing as peace between nations, he maintains; peace is just an interlude between wars. ) Cabal has been urging war with with Iraq,Syria,Iran way before 911, and it fitted the “energy needs of VICE President Cheney… this is part of a more war for Oil and Drugs plan…
see http://boston.indymedia.org/newswire/display/186237/index.php
July 29th, 2007 at 9:03 amUrban myth, my ass!
More proof of conspiracies
BY JOHN SUGG
Federal Justice Department flaks have denounced reports of a massive Israeli spy ring as an “urban myth” — despite solid reporting by Fox News…
60-page Drug Enforcement Administration document detailing the apparent spying by Israeli “art students” who tried to gain access to sensitive federal buildings, military bases and intelligence officials’ homes.
http://cryptome.org/dea-il-spy.htm
http://cryptome.org/fox-il-spy.htm
Lewinsky herself said that in March 1997, when she was with the president in his office, he told her he suspected that a foreign embassy had been tapping his line.
It’s going to be hard, however, to make Monica Lewinsky’s testimony that President Bill Clinton warned her that a foreign embassy was listening to their telephone sex go permanently down the memory hole. This is particularly true after the whole sordid Monica story hit the U.S. media fan just hours after then-Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu arrived in the U.S. national capital vowing “to set Washington on fire†back in 1998.
Now we know where he got the matches.
http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/072000/0007043.html
Spies Tap Police and Government Phones
In the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorist attack, the FBI has stumbled on the largest espionage ring ever discovered inside the United States. The U.S. Justice Department is now holding nearly 100 Israeli citizens with direct ties to foreign military, criminal and intelligence services.
The spy ring reportedly includes employees of two Israeli-owned companies that currently perform almost all the official wiretaps for U.S. local, state and federal law enforcement.
The U.S. law enforcement wiretaps, authorized by the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA), appear to have been breached by organized crime units working inside Israel and the Israeli intelligence service, Mossad.
Global Spy and Crime Network
Israeli Company Provides U.S. Wiretaps
One company reported to be under investigation is Comverse Infosys.
U.S. National Security Compromised
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/12/18/224826.shtml
July 29th, 2007 at 9:07 amOh but you forget that Bush’s legacy will be like George Washington’s! lol
July 29th, 2007 at 9:23 amDon’t know about desertion (the war would have to be legal), but I do know about treason. RE: The Plame outing: You don’t think treason should be punished? Please don’t respond with straw-man talking points (she wasn’t covert, she had no right to send her husband, etc.), as they have been thoroughly debunked and to post them would waste my time and yours.
Thank you.
July 29th, 2007 at 9:37 amRyan Dawson:
http://www.mininova.org/tor/497539
July 29th, 2007 at 9:38 amSPOT ON gORBY
July 29th, 2007 at 9:39 amIgnoring the will of the American people? It wouldn’t be that way with John Edwards as president. Have you heard what’s he’s saying?
July 29th, 2007 at 9:43 amIgnoring the will of the American people? It wouldn’t be that way with John Edwards as president. Have you heard what he’s saying?
July 29th, 2007 at 9:46 amlol yeah they’re doing it for the Saudi women. Just aren’t enough social programs and money for those Saudi and Afghan women lol.
July 29th, 2007 at 9:48 amSaid by a diplomacy expert. I’d prefer Mr Gorbechev to Bush as my president, anyday.
July 29th, 2007 at 9:49 amRight on, Sir.
Bush, like the corrupt, cruel and inept Emperors who followed Tiberius, will bring the USA into complete disrepute and degrade America into a Third World country.
July 29th, 2007 at 9:51 amBoudin Bob:
Hello? Buehler? Buehler? Anybody?
July 29th, 2007 at 9:53 amFor those of you who still havn’t ended your long-time love affair with Mikhail Gorbachev, remember this:
There would most likely still be Soviet Union today, pushing their influence around the world, building their empire on the backs of slave labor, stifling free speech and the free practice of religion, and encroaching further and further towards America like the plague they were, had it not been for Ronald Reagan walking out of Reykjavik. The reason Gorbachev doesn’t get much credit for ending the cold war is precisely because he doesn’t deserve it.
It was a strong and determined United States that pushed the Soviet Union just enough to fall from within. And a strong and determined U.S. leader, Ronald Reagan, who stood firm in his principles of freedom and liberty, who had sense enough to know when and where to push hardest and with the most effect.
Within the ranks of former Soviet Power, Gorbachev was, and still is, seen as the man who presided over the implosion of the greatest empire ever on the face of the globe.
Just thought a little reality-check was in order here.
And also thought I would illustrate the difference between success and failure. The U.S. succeeded, the Soviet Union failed.
July 29th, 2007 at 9:58 amDavid: Bush has already brought the USA into complete disrepute. He’s only popular in Albania & Kurdistan. I think new leadership and new policies can turn this around, since most of the world likes Americans while disliking Bush.
July 29th, 2007 at 9:59 amAs to America becoming a third world country…this goes beyond Bush. It is a product of globalization, and the best government money can buy.
Bush has invaded Iraq for wholey contrived/dishonest reasons and threatened to drop nuclear bombs on Korea and Iran and refused to negotiate with them. Why would a prudent government assume that Bush “wouldn’t” drop the bomb on their country if it suited his geopolitical agenda? Not only has Bush destroyed America’s stature/respect throughtout the world, he has done more to destabilize cooperation of governments than solidfy it. Foreign governments don’t fear America’s diminished military capabilities, they fear Bush’s imperial unilateral actions that go against everything America has accomplished and represented since WWI. There is nothing “democratic” about invading Iraq and nuclear bombing threats. The world sees that America is stomping on the principles of democracy that it once stood for. They see that American leaders are not reliable/honorable allies. They see rogue imperialists doing great damage through injudicious and clumsy political adventurism. They see an absence of integrity and competence that seems to have no moral or rational boundaries.
July 29th, 2007 at 10:10 amIt is also ironic that there is more Truth in the Pravda than Fox News these days.
July 29th, 2007 at 10:17 amSeems like Reagan and Gorby saw eye to eye, better than Reagan and Bush!
July 29th, 2007 at 10:21 amBush/USA just signed an agreement to provide US$20 billion worth of military equipment to Saudi Arabia, a country which DOESNâ€T allow women to DRIVE CARS.
That’s one of the most sensible things I’ve heard all day!
http://bblmedia.com/women_drivers.html
July 29th, 2007 at 10:22 amBush/USA just signed an agreement to provide US$20 billion worth of military equipment to Saudi Arabia,
provide… does that mean SELL or give??? Either way, it’s $20 billion more they can use to fund Madrases. Or buy treasury bills.
July 29th, 2007 at 10:30 amFor those of you who still havn’t ended your long-time love affair with Mikhail Gorbachev, remember this:
There would most likely still be Soviet Union today, pushing their influence around the world, building their empire on the backs of slave labor, stifling free speech and the free practice of religion, and encroaching further and further towards America like the plague they were, had it not been for Ronald Reagan walking out of Reykjavik. The reason Gorbachev doesn’t get much credit for ending the cold war is precisely because he doesn’t deserve it.
It was a strong and determined United States that pushed the Soviet Union just enough to fall from within. And a strong and determined U.S. leader, Ronald Reagan, who stood firm in his principles of freedom and liberty, who had sense enough to know when and where to push hardest and with the most effect.
Within the ranks of former Soviet Power, Gorbachev was, and still is, seen as the man who presided over the implosion of the greatest empire ever on the face of the globe.
Just thought a little reality-check was in order here.
And also thought I would illustrate the difference between success and failure. The U.S. succeeded, the Soviet Union failed.
Comment by O. Bigfoot — July 29, 2007 @ 9:58 am
This is classis Bizarro World writing. Bigfoot thinks “I don’t remember” Reagen caused Russia to implode. It was already happening internally. Your first paragraph could be substituted for current USA.
Remember this, The USA started pointing nuclear tipped missles in Turkey toward Russia BEFORE the Cuban Missle crisis in 1962. The USA, especially it’s Bankers, are always the perps.
I also will burst your bubble. The USA is a huge failure, economically (it owes trillions to Germany, Saudi Arabia, Japan, and China), culturally (50 Cent, Tila Tequila, Lindsay Lohan, Britney Spears, Slasher movies??!!), and militaristically (Three lost wars in 35 years, and a few more on the horizon…China and Russia??? They have to be kidding).
What is left is a bunch of suits that are sucking the middle class dry, Fundmentalists thinking End Times is Near, and Rednecks. What will save this country is these NEo-Cons and their supporters being locked up or publically humliated.
July 29th, 2007 at 10:31 amComment by O. Bigfoot — July 29, 2007 @ 9:58 am
There must be parallel universes – the one I live in: Mr Gorbachev advocated change(perestroika) and transparency (glasnost) to break up the totalitarian soviet regime of old men, that had ruined the country. Yes his vision was reform within the existing system, yet there were no military action against warsaw pact nations, that decided to change to democracy. See: Poland’ martial law in 1981 (under Brshnew’s rule in the USSR) as opposed to Hungary’s opening of the iron curtain on May 2nd, 1989 (under Gorbachev’s rule), which led ultimately to the downfall of communism and parliamentary and democratic rule in many states of the warsaw pact.
The only reason, why Ronald Reagan did not instigate a major worsening in the cold war was Gorbachev’s reasonable reaction.
To agree on something with you: The Soviet Union style communism was a historical failure. But IMHO the jury’s still out on the USA style of capitalism.
July 29th, 2007 at 10:33 amOoo… OoooO…. oooOO…. AaaAAAaaHH!!!!!!!!! AahH!!!!!!!!!
O. Bigfoot..
WwwWEee ShOOooUUuld HHhaveE SurRreeeEnnNDdered to the SovietsSs!!!!
July 29th, 2007 at 10:39 amAAAaaHHh!!!!!!!!!!! AAAaaAAAAaHH!!!!!!! AAAAAHHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Soviet Union style communism was a historical failure.
The Chinese style communism is a historical success. They are eating our lunch.
July 29th, 2007 at 10:46 amI don’t have time to post this properly, but before you wax poetic about Reagan, remember this:
Iran-Contra (figure it out)
Bushco and the republicann cabal: basically, there is evidence (not innuendo, not opinion – evidence) to suggest they have taken a play from the Authoritian regime that was the ols Soviet union. (again – look it up)
The USSR fell, at least in substantial part, due to the Quagmire that is Afghanistan.
Bush looked into Putin’s eyes, and liked what he saw (the devil).
Please stop pulling Reagan (long dead) and Clinton out of your ass.
Don’t have time to continue – but I could.
July 29th, 2007 at 10:53 am“THEY BLOCKED MY COMPUTER!!!!!!!! The horror!!
Seriously, they blocked my computer from entering their site whatsoever.”
Comment by Gabejedmo — July 29, 2007 @ 4:06 am
The same thing happenned to me a fwe months ago Gabejedmo, the funny thing is, I wasn’t really even going head to head with them. I had a feeling I’d get banned if I was to confrontational, so instead I tried to straddle the fence and posed as a slightly anti-war leaning Libertarian. I was doing fin for a while, debating a little but always trying to coach my comments in a way that would make them more pallitable to conservative ears. Then, after a few days I made the comment that perhaps it would have been wiser to not attack Iraq so that our military would be more prepared to deal with possible real threats like N. Korea or Iran. Apparently that was going to far. I got a nasty reply from one of the mods telling me to go do my hoework on the history of th lead up to Iraq and that I was banned.
They went straight to banning my IP in my case.
Anyway, Little Green Footballs is worse by the way. They’re very carefulll about whoe they allow to make an account in the first place.
July 29th, 2007 at 11:07 amThe Soviet Union style communism was a historical failure.
The Chinese style communism is a historical success. They are eating our lunch.
Comment by Badger — July 29, 2007 @ 10:46 am
“historical sucess”? Ummm.. it’s a very repressive regime, and guilty off horrifying war crimes in their occupation of Tibet…
July 29th, 2007 at 11:10 amThe truth of the matter is that the United States is now the world’s bully, plain and simple.
July 29th, 2007 at 11:16 am“Iraq may ask the US to send betrayus home. I hope he’s fragged on his way.
Comment by varnst ”
varnst – you do know that “fragged” means killed, don’t you. Shame on you. I don’t support the things that Petraus has said or done, but I certainly would not advocate having him killed. That is the modus operandi of the Republicans (i.e. Pat Tillman), not the Democrats.
July 29th, 2007 at 11:32 amRe: Republican sites banning people with opposing viewpoints.
I have as yet found a site where you can post a contrary opinion on a Right-leaning website without being banned. Many don’t even allow comments (like Michele Malkin). They only allow you to e-mail your comments and then they hand-pick the comments they want to post.
So, to our darling trolls, here’s a question for you. Can you find one liberal website where differing opinions are grounds for banishment from posting?
The reason why the Right-leaning websites banish people who have a contrary opinion is because they are afraid of the truth. If that damn truth were to get out there, they would be sunk.
July 29th, 2007 at 11:40 amI take back what I said in #85. There is a right wing website that allows progressives and liberals to post. It’s http://www.politico.com/. It is a very annoying website, but they do allow differing points of view.
July 29th, 2007 at 12:25 pmCan you find one liberal website where differing opinions are grounds for banishment from posting?
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Yup. C & L.
They banished me after I said that there were no grounds for impeachment.
Meanwhile, the libs got to post such comments as “F*cking impeach the whole BushCrimeCo” and used phrases such as “KKKarl” and “NeoCon Nazis”
July 29th, 2007 at 12:41 pmThere were wars before, Gorby. Did you not invade Afghanistan?
Moron.
July 29th, 2007 at 12:48 pm#
I take back what I said in #85. There is a right wing website that allows progressives and liberals to post. It’s http://www.politico.com/. It is a very annoying website, but they do allow differing points of view.
Comment by bilbobaggins — July 29, 2007 @ 12:25 pm
Don,t Forget T.P.(Snark,lol)
Why is the word Free used so much by Dems?
I don,t understand it.
Free is what Bush is Supporting and spreading throughout the middle east.
You all are confusing me.
July 29th, 2007 at 12:50 pm
July 29th, 2007 at 1:01 pm
Reagan did have some role in defeating Russia, by arming the Bin Laden led rebels, and also by counterfeiting Russian currency, causing it to dramatically lose value. Now, that same currency manipulation is being used against the U.S. Our money is now being printed in S.Korea, that’s right, South Korea, and $100 bills are being counterfeited at an alarming rate. Think our economy is going great? Look at the value of the dollar vs. the Euro. Or the Canadian dollar, compared to when Bush took office.
July 29th, 2007 at 1:04 pmSaint Ronnie dealt with and armed terrorists, and ran a surreptitious war in specific violation of the Borland amendment, and Bush pardoned all the criminals. Who can believe anything they or their minions have to say?
“To the Haig with the whole bunch. War criminals they are.
Comment by Left Coast Mike — July 29, 2007″
It figures that you cowards would side with this jerk!
July 29th, 2007 at 2:05 pm“To the Haig with the whole bunch. War criminals they are.
Comment by Left Coast Mike — July 29, 2007″
It figures that you cowards would side with this jerk!
Comment by michael — July 29, 2007 @ 2:05 pm
Which cowards, what jerk; make some sense.
July 29th, 2007 at 2:21 pmHopefully, someone reminded Gorby that there have been TWO other Presidents before this one. Every infraction he notes comes under G-Dub’s admin.
July 29th, 2007 at 2:25 pmSo where is Gorbachev wrong here?
We deposed Hussein, who hated Iran and distrusted Syria, and by doing so did Iran and Syria a world class favor.
It seems that everyone, including Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan, saw this coming – everyone that is, EXCEPT this Administration.
July 29th, 2007 at 2:38 pmGremlin = liberals who post at Thinkprogress
July 29th, 2007 at 3:45 pmBush invaded the Iraq for all the wrong reasons. This war had nothing to do with 9-11 or bin Laden. As John Kerry said in 2004, “it was the wrong war in the wrong place at the wrong time.” This is Bush’s legacy. He started a war that has made us less safe at home. According to Bush’s own 16 spy agencies in the latest NIE report Al Qaeda is now back to its previous strength since before 9-11. There are more terrorists in Iraq today than there were before he invaded it. There was no al Qaeda in Iraq before we invaded it. He cherry picked the intelligence to make a case for this war. There was no intelligence failure here, the intelligence was made to fit the policy. They were hell bent on going into Iraq, and they cherry picked the intelligence to make a case for war. The concept of nation building is both arrogant and naive. Gorbachev is right Bush has caused ‘disorder’ due to his policies.
July 29th, 2007 at 5:07 pmCan you find one liberal website where differing opinions are grounds for banishment from posting?
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Yup. C & L.
They banished me after I said that there were no grounds for impeachment.
Meanwhile, the libs got to post such comments as “F*cking impeach the whole BushCrimeCo†and used phrases such as “KKKarl†and “NeoCon Nazisâ€
Comment by Mr. President — July 29, 2007 @ 12:41 pm
The same treatment I got from FreeRepublic when i said there were at 10 reasons to impeach Bush.
They call Hillary obscene names, Ron Paul is hated, and Kucinich is a “Hog-Screwing Liberal”
So, What is your point?
July 29th, 2007 at 6:32 pmGorbachev, and most of you, are full of crap.
Bush hasn’t caused any disorder, anywhere. The disorder has existed in the middle east for centuries, fools. I would even feel quite comfortable to state that there has been disorder in the middle east for pretty much all of recorded history. Despots and zealots have all had free reign. Bush has attempted to “break the cycle” of dictatorship and install democracy, and so far, the people of the middle east have not been up to the task. Perhaps it would have been better, and more appropriate, to hand over Iraq to Kuwait, or some other middle eastern country friendly to the United
States.
Personally, I don’t care how much nation building we attempt if it means a safer future for our children here in the United States. I’ll take the middle east killing each other off, over them coming here and killing us, any day of the week. I’ll take the $3 dollar gasoline caused by an unstable oil market over death and destruction in the U.S. also.
Frankly, I’ve had it up to here with all you who continually whine and snivel about how bad things are here in the United States. You spoiled brats don’t know how good you have it here. You appreciate nothing our forefathers worked so hard for, in many cases gave their lives for, and then left behind for you to enjoy.
You folks who think the United States is in decline don’t know your butts from third base. The old “U.S. in decline” baloney has been around since the U.S. Civil War, and here we are, still alive and kicking.
And you folks that think China is the model of successful communism, then why not bash in the heads of your female babies, force abortions on your wives after your first child, work for 5-10 bucks a day, make poisoned food and toothpaste, drink your sewage, live in a slave labor camp they call a “factory” from the age of say, six, on. China is also great for the well monied corporations: No OSHA or EPA to worry about. If a few dozen a year die in your plant, mine, or in the timber industry, there are a billion more to choose from. No need for any environmental concerns, pollute, clear-cut, strip mine to your hearts content. Then just dump a lot of your cheap, inferior, slave built products on other countries, killing their manufactuing base while your at it, not to mention their people. Hell, they will be so happy to head down to the local Wal-Mart to buy your cheap crap, you will be handing them the gun they will shoot themselves with.
Oh, and if you attempt any form of political discourse that isn’t approved by the state, you die.
Myself? I’ll take living right here in the good ole’ US of A, even with our minor problems.
The rest of you that think China is some sort of utopia, or that Gorbachev’s Soviet Union was the model for a progressive society, I invite you to head to the great east, permanently……….
Didn’t think so.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:46 am