Cheney To Make First Larry King Live Appearance Tomorrow Since ‘Last Throes’ Comment
Cheney To Make First Larry King Live Appearance Tomorrow Since ‘Last Throes’ Comment
Tomorrow night at 9 pm EST, Vice President Dick Cheney will make his first appearance on CNN’s Larry King Live since May 30, 2005, when he infamously declared that the insurgency in Iraq was in its “last throes” and predicted that “the level of activity that we see today from a military standpoint, I think, will clearly decline.”
Despite increasing violence in Iraq, the vice president continually defended his “last throes” comment. In March 2006, Cheney said that his prediction was “basically accurate” and “reflect[ed] reality.” He defended the comment again in June 2006 during an appearance at the National Press Club.
Only recently, in Stephen Hayes’ biography of him, has Cheney finally conceded that “it was obviously wrong” to claim the insurgency was in its “last throes.”
On the second anniversary of “last throes,” ThinkProgress assembled a compilation of Bush administration officials defending and parroting the comment. Watch it:
With the Bush administration and pro-war advocates again seeking to cast the president’s escalation as a success, here’s a question King should ask Cheney: Why should anyone believe anything you have to say about Iraq?
UPDATE: You can send questions and comments to Larry King Live here and video questions for the show here.
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Could this be Darth’s next to last throes?
July 30th, 2007 at 12:26 pmIf King is taking viewer calls, flood the switchboard and get some good ones in….
Cheers,
July 30th, 2007 at 12:27 pmGreat. Larry King…undisputed master of the softball.
I’m going to avoid watching this, as I’d rather keep my dinner down.
July 30th, 2007 at 12:27 pmYawn. Larry King won’t grill him. Cheney probably has the questions already.
I cant wait to read about all the missed opportunities to correct falsehoods from the veeps talking points on Media Matters tomorrow
July 30th, 2007 at 12:28 pmKing should ask Darth Vader to define “victory” and why the terrarists are getting stronger everywhere since we went into Eyerack.
July 30th, 2007 at 12:28 pmCheney is going to LIE like crazy to Larry King and claim that Democrats are to blame for every problem in DC.
July 30th, 2007 at 12:30 pmlarry king is one of the great mainstream media tools of all time.
wait, nicole ritchie will be getting out of jail so maybe they can postpone the vp for an exclusive with her, paris or lindsay lohan, like they did with michael moore.
we have priorities, you know.
July 30th, 2007 at 12:31 pmDidn’t Tammy Faye die a few days after her Larry King interview…
Just sayin……
July 30th, 2007 at 12:32 pmWill Dick shoot Larry in the face?
July 30th, 2007 at 12:32 pmOK — why is Cheney out doing his own PR work? Are they getting nervous over in Bushneyland?
July 30th, 2007 at 12:33 pm*yawn*
Just put up a list of Darth Veepers lies….
July 30th, 2007 at 12:35 pmIs DC Dick going to appear on Larry King with Baghdad Bob?
July 30th, 2007 at 12:35 pmIsn’t it just about time for Mr. Pee to chime in with his “Cheney ‘08!” cheer?
July 30th, 2007 at 12:36 pmWill Dick shoot Larry in the face?
Comment by Québécois — July 30, 2007 @ 12:32 pm
Knowing the softball underhand lob tossing King, he’ll probably hand him the loaded shotgun, safety off, by the barrel
July 30th, 2007 at 12:37 pmLast May, Cheney appeared on Larry King. He stepped in it big time, but few people caught it. I alerted Rude Pundit and he wrote about it.
an excerpt:
Then Cheney made this statement: “In a sense, when you’re at war, you keep prisoners of war until the war is over with.” So, like, if, in a sense, the Gitmo campers are “prisoners of war,” then, in a sense, don’t they get Geneva Conventions protections?
Cheney and Gonzales have been playing a semantics game to justify torture, since “war” was never formally declared. It’s pretty obvious why they chose to embark upon the path of war without ever formally declaring it – so they could not be held accountable for the War Crimes they knew they’d be committing.
Bush tells us every day that we’re at war. Cheney and Gonzales tell us that we’re not REALLY at war.
Problem is, Cheney is on tape stating not only that we are at war, but that we are holding “prisoners of war.”
The Geneva Conventions DO APPLY, and Cheney is guilty of war Crimes.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0505/30/lkl.01.html
KING: They specifically said, though, it was Guantanamo. They compared it to a gulag.
D. CHENEY: Not true. Guantanamo’s been operated, I think, in a very sane and sound fashion by the U.S. military. Remember who’s down there. These are people that were picked up off the battlefield in Afghanistan and other places in the global war on terror. These are individuals who have been actively involved as the enemy, if you will, trying to kill Americans. That we need to have a place where we can keep them. In a sense, when you’re at war, you keep prisoners of war until the war is over with.”
July 30th, 2007 at 12:38 pmBabay Kitten larry King?
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAA!
Expect hard hitting questions like
How is your pacemaker?
Still go hunting?
What is your favorite color?
How do you and Lynne deal with the mean words said about you?
July 30th, 2007 at 12:38 pmI will NOT watch Dicky Cheney LIE like crazy on Larry King’s show. I would rather watch flies mating on the wall > lol.
July 30th, 2007 at 12:38 pmhttp://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060227fa_fact
New Yorker
From the article:
Yoo believed that the President’s role as Commander-in-Chief gave him virtually unlimited authority to decide whether America should respond militarily to a terror attack, and, if so, what kind of force to use. “Those decisions, under our Constitution, are for the President alone to make,” he wrote in a law article.
A top Administration official told me that Yoo, Addington, and a few other lawyers had essentially “hijacked policy” after September 11th. “They thought, Now we can put our views into practice. We have the ability to write them into binding law. It was just shocking. These memos were presented as faits accomplis.”
In Yoo’s opinion, he wrote that at Guantánamo cruel, inhumane, and degrading treatment of detainees could be authorized, with few restrictions.
“The memo espoused an extreme and virtually unlimited theory of the extent of the President’s Commander-in-Chief authority,”
So this same approach was used across the board. Addington effectively sought to obtain “legal opinions” which were in fact illegal, with the specific intent to provide Bush and Cheney with sufficient legal cover to behave as Dictators and Kings, as there were virtually no laws that applied to them, as determined by edict.
This is where we stand today. There is not one single law that applies to Bush or Cheney. They have found lawyers who were willing to craft opinions stating that they were above the law, and in so doing, have subverted the Constitution of the United States.
This activity was intentional, willful and treasonous.
They were sworn to uphold the constitution.
Given this information, others in a position to do something about it (who also swore under oath to protect the Constitution against all enemies Foreign and DOMESTIC) now have an obligation to fulfill.
They must call for the impeachment of this administration. It is their legal obligation given the evidence before them.
Time to choose sides, folks.
July 30th, 2007 at 12:38 pmJust what our country needs. Larry tossing softball questons to Cheney, while the phone screeners disallow any hard questions from the public.
Haven’t we seen this dog and pony show enough? Does Cheney believe his continued half truths, outright lies and totally wrong predictions will somehow change the tide of disapproval of this performance of his oath of office?
No. Don’t think so.
July 30th, 2007 at 12:39 pmhttp://www.warcrimeswatch.org
Published on Friday, November 3, 2006 by The Nation
War Criminals, Beware
by Jeremy Brecher and Brendan Smith
On November 14 a group of lawyers and other experts will come before the German federal prosecutor and ask him to open a criminal investigation targeting Donald Rumsfeld, Alberto Gonzales and other key Bush Administration figures for war crimes. The recent passage of the Military Commissions Act provides a central argument for the legal action, under the doctrine of universal jurisdiction: It demonstrates the intent of the Bush Administration to immunize itself legally from prosecution in the United States, even for the most serious crimes.
The Military Commissions Act of 2006, which the President promoted and recently signed into law, provides retroactive immunity for civilians who violated the War Crimes Act, including officials of the Bush Administration. Such an attempt to provide immunity for their crimes, it will be argued, is in itself evidence of an effort to block prosecution of those crimes. Indeed, according to Scott Horton, chair of the International Law Committee of the New York City Bar Association, when Yugoslavia sought to immunize senior government officials, the United States declared the act itself to be evidence of such a conspiracy.
“The United States declared the act itself to be evidence of such a conspiracy.â€
“The United States declared the act itself to be evidence of such a conspiracy.â€
“The United States declared the act itself to be evidence of such a conspiracy.â€
July 30th, 2007 at 12:39 pm“I’m sorry for being in front of your gun when you shot me in the face”
July 30th, 2007 at 12:40 pmYep, the hysterics have been demanding that Bush/Cheney just apologize for this or that, just admit they were wrong. So Cheney admits he was wrong about the insurgency and the hysterics enter new throes of…well…hysterics.
Boo yaa.
July 30th, 2007 at 12:40 pmJust one question Mr president,er,uh, I mean Mr. Vice president if I may
When The President stated in 2001 and again in 2002 that those countries who harbor terrorists (Pakistan) are no different than the terrorists and we will go after them was he lying or just a coward?
July 30th, 2007 at 12:40 pmI saw Larry King walking through the old Farmers Market at Third and Fairfax in L.A. this past Saturday evening….He looks old!
No suspenders either, he was wearing blue-jeans.
Am I off topic?
July 30th, 2007 at 12:43 pmJust one question Mr. and Mrs. DFL politicians:
When, at various times, you declared Iraq as a dangerous nation led by a dangerous dictator who was intent on having the worst weapons imaginable, were you full of shat or just cowards?
July 30th, 2007 at 12:44 pmThe financial links between those who lied, and those who benefited as a direct result of the lies (primarily in the oil and military industries – to say nothing of Israel) are clear. The evidence that the President’s speech knowingly included a lie about the Niger Yellow Cake is proveable in a court of law under oath.
That the Vice President knew for a fact that the claim was based on a forgery in advance of the President’s speech is a given (he ordered that the forgery be created and sent Ledeen to do it). That he instructed others to ensure that the sentence made it into the speech is also a given. What did the Vice President know, and when did he know it?
Every time the Vice President knowingly lied to the American People to advance the cause of war, he committed a crime against the United States which both directly harmed other US citizens and directly enriched himself.
Indict Dick Cheney for Fraud.
Section 1031. Major fraud against the United States
(a) Whoever knowingly executes, or attempts to execute, any scheme or artifice with the intent -
(1) to defraud the United States; or
(2) to obtain money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises, in any procurement of property or services as a prime contractor with the United States or as a subcontractor or supplier on a contract in which there is a prime contract with the United States, if the value of the contract, subcontract, or any constituent part thereof, for such property or services is $1,000,000 or more shall, subject to the applicability of subsection (c) of this section, be fined not more than $1,000,000, or imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both.
(1) the gross loss to the Government or the gross gain to a defendant is $500,000 or greater; or
(2) the offense involves a conscious or reckless risk of serious personal injury.
The outing of Valarie Plame falls into precisely the same category, as it was specifically designed to ensure that the lead up to war continued apace…
Consummate diplomats like Wilson typically do not speak of “lies.” So outraged was Wilson, though, that this bogus story had been used to “justify” an unprovoked war, that he made a point to note that the already proven dishonesty begs the question regarding “what else they are lying about.”
It was a double whammy. And, as is now well known, the White House moved swiftly-if clumsily (and apparently illegally)-to retaliate.
It was clear from the start that Vice President Dick Cheney and Kemosabe (Amer. Indian for “Scotter”) Libby, as well as Karl Rove, were taking the lead in this operation to make an object lesson of Wilson and his wife.
But there is abundant evidence that senior White House officials were aware of the CIA’s doubts regarding the Niger story long before the State of the Union. Nearly a year earlier, in February 2002, the CIA had dispatched former Ambassador Joseph Wilson to Niger to investigate the claim about uranium purchases. When the CIA debriefed him in March, his findings were emphatic: As Wilson explained in a New York Times op-ed on July 6, “It did not take long to conclude that it was highly doubtful that any such transaction had ever taken place.” CIA Director George Tenet claimed on July 11 that Wilson was sent to Niger by junior nonproliferation experts at the CIA acting “on their own initiative” and that senior administration officials were unaware of his mission. But this is not true. Wilson was told by CIA officials that the mission had been specifically requested by the office of the vice president. Indeed, Dick Cheney’s chief of staff, Lewis “Scooter” Libby, told Time magazine that Cheney had “asked a question about the implication of the [uranium] report.” And, as Wilson tells The New Republic, “When an executive agency is tasked to find something out and it gets an answer, it goes back to the person who requested it.” For the White House to suggest that Cheney’s office was unaware of the results of Wilson’s inquiry strains credulity.
Moreover, there is strong evidence that the CIA clearly conveyed its doubts about the Niger allegation to the White House on more than one occasion prior to the State of the Union. When Bush wanted to include the claim in an October 7, 2002, speech in Cincinnati, Tenet personally intervened, imploring Condoleezza Rice’s National Security Council (NSC) deputy, Stephen Hadley, to cut the allegation from the speech, which he did. The idea that no one involved with the State of the Union was aware of this earlier, emphatic intervention is implausible. And when the latter speech was being written, the CIA again raised questions about the Niger assertion. According to The New York Times, when NSC proliferation staffer Robert G. Joseph called his CIA counterpart, Alan Foley, to ask about including the allegation in the State of the Union, Foley told Joseph the CIA was not confident about the information.
Indict Vice President Cheney. Put him under oath.
July 30th, 2007 at 12:45 pmUPDATE: You can send questions and comments to Larry King Live here and video questions for the show here.
Don’t bother. Larry’s got all the softballs…..er, questions he needs, or would have the nerve to ask.
July 30th, 2007 at 12:45 pmIf CNN was doing just a half-ass job Cheney would be locked up in the Hague. Larry King is nothing but a half dead shill and whore.
July 30th, 2007 at 12:46 pmHeyOOOoooooOOoooOOOoOO Mr. President
Another great day in the US.
Thanks again for keeping the US safe for 2100+ days.
I slept very well last night thanks to your vigilance and Dead-eye Cheney.
Cheney is “Chuck Norris” good and “he has your back”
I wish he would run for Pres.
I will report any suspicious moonbat activity here at TP.
July 30th, 2007 at 12:47 pmI wonder if Deadeye will take his shotgun w/ him?
July 30th, 2007 at 12:49 pmDeadeye Dick Cheney, LSOS.
So his opinion was wrong and he spent two years bolstering that wrong opinion with more lies.
The bestest is when he says ‘If you look at the word throes’, which is a seedy dodge. It was the word “last” that most people found to be the dishonest part of the statement.
-GSD
P.S. Is Larry King going to go all icy and gibberishy like Beard Blitzer if Cheney stares him down after a tough question?
July 30th, 2007 at 12:50 pmone question to ask; why did these administration officials say this before 9/11?
“…the sanctions exist — not for the purpose of hurting the Iraqi people, but for the purpose of keeping in check Saddam Hussein’s ambitions toward developing weapons of mass destruction. We should constantly be reviewing our policies, constantly be looking at those sanctions to make sure that they are directed toward that purpose. That purpose is every bit as important now as it was ten years ago when we began it. And frankly they have worked. He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors.” – Colin Powell, Cairo, Egypt (Ittihadiya Palace), February 24, 2001
“…in terms of Saddam Hussein being there, let’s remember that his country is divided, in effect. He does not control the northern part of his country. We are able to keep arms from him. His military forces have not been rebuilt. This has been a successful period…” – Condaleeza Rice, CNN LATE EDITION WITH WOLF BLITZER, July 29, 2001
July 30th, 2007 at 12:50 pmNATIONAL COMMISSION ON TERRORIST ATTACKS UPON THE UNITED STATES
Public Hearing
Friday, May 23, 2003
Hart Senate Office Building
Room 216
Washington, DC
……excerpt……..
[[the following Cheney stand down order is confused for a shoot down order]]
MR. HAMILTON: We thank you for that. I wanted to focus just a moment on the Presidential Emergency Operating Center. You were there for a good part of the day. I think you were there with the vice president. And when you had that order given, I think it was by the president, that authorized the shooting down of commercial aircraft that were suspected to be controlled by terrorists, were you there when that order was given?
MR. MINETA: No, I was not. I was made aware of it during the time that the airplane coming into the Pentagon. There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, “The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out.” And when it got down to, “The plane is 10 miles out,” the young man also said to the vice president, “Do the orders still stand?” And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, “Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?” Well, at the time I didn’t know what all that meant. And –
MR. HAMILTON: The flight you’re referring to is the –
MR. MINETA: The flight that came into the Pentagon.
MR. HAMILTON: The Pentagon, yeah.
MR. MINETA: And so I was not aware that that discussion had already taken place. But in listening to the conversation between the young man and the vice president, then at the time I didn’t really recognize the significance of that.
And then later I heard of the fact that the airplanes had been scrambled from Langley to come up to DC, but those planes were still about 10 minutes away. And so then, at the time we heard about the airplane that went into Pennsylvania, then I thought, “Oh, my God, did we shoot it down?” And then we had to, with the vice president, go through the Pentagon to check that out.
MR. HAMILTON: Let me see if I understand. The plane that was headed toward the Pentagon and was some miles away, there was an order to shoot that plane down. [[notice the panel member is trying to coerce the witness to affirm this]]
MR. MINETA: Well, I don’t know that specifically, but I do know that the airplanes were scrambled from Langley or from Norfolk, the Norfolk area. But I did not know about the orders specifically other than listening to that other conversation.
MR. HAMILTON: But there very clearly was an order to shoot commercial aircraft down. [[notice the panel is forcing a perspective that doesn't exist]]
MR. MINETA: Subsequently I found that out.
MR. HAMILTON: With respect to Flight 93, what type of information were you and the vice president receiving about that flight?
MR. MINETA: The only information we had at that point was when it crashed.
MR. HAMILTON: I see. You didn’t know beforehand about that airplane.
MR. MINETA: I did not.
MR. HAMILTON: And so there was no specific order there to shoot that plane down.
MR. MINETA: No, sir.
MR. HAMILTON: But there were military planes in the air in position to shoot down commercial aircraft.
MR. MINETA: That’s right. The planes had been scrambled, I believe, from Otis at that point.
MR. HAMILTON: Could you help me understand a little the division of responsibility between the FAA and NORAD on that morning?
MR. MINETA: Well, FAA is in touch with NORAD. And when the first flight from Boston had gone out of communications with the air traffic controllers, the air traffic controller then notified, I believe, Otis Air Force Base about the air traffic controller not being able to raise that American Airlines flight.
references…
http://newsmine.org/archive/9-11/norad-faa-response/cheney-stand-do
http://www.9-11commission.gov/archive/hearing2/9-11Commission_Heari
July 30th, 2007 at 12:51 pmace, any new Tillman was murdered theories?
Jews maybe?
Comment by Flaco
Hey, Flaco some theory about a clay, water and a rib?
July 30th, 2007 at 12:51 pmI liked this part of Cheney’s answer to Larry King:
D. CHENEY: These are people that were picked up off the battlefield in Afghanistan and other places in the global war on terror.
Where were these other places, oh ye defenders of Gitmo?
July 30th, 2007 at 12:52 pmWow ace you don’t mess around.
July 30th, 2007 at 12:52 pmI see no mention of Jews.
Yes, Ace has many new theories though coincidentally they all involve the Joooos.
There was a Mossad sharpshooter up on a hill who took out Tillman, he was killed because some rich Joooo lost money on his Arizona Cardinals fantasy football defense after Tillman left.
July 30th, 2007 at 12:53 pmThe Dick is just going to do more of a sell job on his war. How much you want to bet he is STILL saying that Saddam had WMD?? How much you want to bet that he is still trying to tie Saddam to 9/11?
July 30th, 2007 at 12:53 pmAnd, of course, Larry King won’t challenge him on it because he doesn’t challenge ANY of his guests. Ever.
I wonder if his ticker will stand the pressure…
July 30th, 2007 at 12:53 pmKing will toss a softball. Cheney will shoot the softball out of the air with his 20 guage. Faux News will praise Cheney’s moral stance and political acumen.
Next.
July 30th, 2007 at 12:54 pmGod Bless our Vice President.
Even with all the insane conspiracy theorists, raving Leftists, brain-fried troofers and moonbats driven mad by their own hatred, Dick Cheney has managd to keep his eye on the ball and protect this country (moonbats and all) safe from the global jihadist menace.
Thanks Mr. Cheney…Keep up the good work.
July 30th, 2007 at 12:54 pmYep, the hysterics have been demanding that Bush/Cheney just apologize for this or that, just admit they were wrong. So Cheney admits he was wrong about the insurgency and the hysterics enter new throes of…well…hysterics.
Boo yaa.
Comment by Kennedy’s Swim Instructor — July 30, 2007 @ 12:40 pm
Nice straw man. Not too lifelike, but I like the old coveralls you used.
July 30th, 2007 at 12:54 pmCheney will get all indigent if any mention of his Lesbian daughter is made, by King, unless he just asks about the baby.
July 30th, 2007 at 12:54 pmThis dancing on the graves of dead Soldiers is the most vile of the assorted troll droppings.
July 30th, 2007 at 12:55 pmLarry King is the only one who can interview Cheney. King looks like a cadaver, which will prevent Cheney from killing him to suck out the blood.
July 30th, 2007 at 12:55 pmI’m sure Larry will ask some great follow up questions to Cheney’s barrage of lies.
July 30th, 2007 at 12:55 pmLarry won’t catapult the propaganda.
OIL
July 30th, 2007 at 12:55 pmHALLIBURTON
JEWS
BUSHCO
EXXON
WALMART
CHENEY
GONZALES
MORE JEWS…
This is ridiculous, Cheney appearing on Larry King, he should be on a straight-up CNN show so they can ask him insightful questions like, “Did you ever have premarital sex”?
Lets have a march to protest Larry King. Juan, you are the master of ceremonies.
July 30th, 2007 at 12:56 pmBoo yaa.
Comment by Kennedy’s Swim Instructor :) FUNNY dude!:)
July 30th, 2007 at 12:56 pmhopefully another drunken, drug abusing celebrity doesn’t get thrown in jail tonight (or released for that matter).
otherwise Larry King would be forced to postpone his hard hitting questions for Cheney for another day.
let’s hope King actually has some good, quality driven questions (i won’t hold my breath)
July 30th, 2007 at 12:56 pmindignant is the word I meant in post 42, not indigent > typo error > lol.
July 30th, 2007 at 12:57 pm“…lost money on his Arizona Cardinals fantasy football defense after Tillman left.
Comment by Piper — July 30, 2007″
if somebody picked the Cardinal’s defense for their fantasy team, then the wrong man was shot.
July 30th, 2007 at 12:57 pmKrazny,
Also because Larry is best able to make nosferatu look almost human.
July 30th, 2007 at 12:57 pmLarry King? That’s pretty laughable. Yeah, we’ll get some straight answers now.
July 30th, 2007 at 12:58 pmLast throes, Ringo. Last throes.
July 30th, 2007 at 12:58 pm# 45 was sarcasm.
July 30th, 2007 at 12:58 pmif somebody picked the Cardinal’s defense for their fantasy team, then the wrong man was shot.
Well the Jooos arent good at anyting except money changing and plotting the takeover of the earth. I know this is true because Ace has posted a 200 page report here at TP detailing it in great depth.
July 30th, 2007 at 12:59 pmHope Larry’s green room keeps a fresh supply of puppies ready for the VP, you never know when he will need a little refresher.
July 30th, 2007 at 12:59 pmWell the Jooos arent good at anyting except money changing and plotting the takeover of the earth. I know this is true because Ace has posted a 200 page report here at TP detailing it in great depth.
Comment by Piper — July 30, 2007 @ 12:59 pm
That’s a lie. Provide the link or buzz off Mr. P
July 30th, 2007 at 1:00 pmAnother great day in the USA for the TPers to go shopping at the mall.
Lots of good sales today.
“Thanks Pres. Bush! We can shop without any bad ole terrorist bothering us”. TPer said at Walmart in Centerville, CA.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:01 pmNow if Larry wanted to get Dicky to go ballistic, then he could ask him about claiming that Sen. Leahy tried to kiss him in the Senate chamber. Dicky can then use the F-bomb on the show > lol.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:01 pmFormer Veep Mondale, writing in an opinion piece appearing Sunday in the Washington Post
“This all changed in 2001, and especially after Sept. 11, when Cheney set out to create a largely independent power center in the office of the vice president. His was an unprecedented attempt not only to shape administration policy but, alarmingly, to limit the policy options sent to the president. It is essential that a president know all the relevant facts and viable options before making decisions, yet Cheney has discarded the “honest broker” role he played as President Gerald Ford’s chief of staff.
Through his vast government experience, through the friends he had been able to place in key positions and through his considerable political skills, he has been increasingly able to determine the answers to questions put to the president — because he has been able to determine the questions. It was Cheney who persuaded President Bush to sign an order that denied access to any court by foreign terrorism suspects and Cheney who determined that the Geneva Conventions did not apply to enemy combatants captured in Afghanistan and Iraq.
….
Whatever authority a vice president has is derived from the president under whom he serves. There are no powers inherent in the office; they must be delegated by the president. Somehow, not only has Cheney been given vast authority by President Bush — including, apparently, the entire intelligence portfolio — but he also pursues his own agenda. The real question is why the president allows this to happen.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:01 pmMy guess is that trolls are all in a frenzy because Michael Moore´s fat ass was right about everything since the beginning.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:01 pmWay off topic, but it’ll probably never be commented on if I don’t just go ahead and post it.
I was listining to the radio this morning, and an old Chicago tune called Dialog came on. The song is from 1972. The lyrics are intersting in both historical and contemporary contexts.
Here they are:
Comments?
July 30th, 2007 at 1:01 pmJooOOOooOoOoo software is ON.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:02 pmThanks for posting this, Matt. I put up a diary on Daily Kos this morning talking about this, hoping to spur a little activism.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:02 pmGod Bless our Vice President.
Even with all the insane conspiracy theorists, raving Leftists, brain-fried troofers and moonbats driven mad by their own hatred, Dick Cheney has managd to keep his eye on the ball and protect this country (moonbats and all) safe from the global jihadist menace.
Thanks Mr. Cheney…Keep up the good work.
This has to be the most stupid thing I have read about Dead-Eye Dick in a long time. Thanks for the laugh!
July 30th, 2007 at 1:02 pmFlaco,
You go to malls? hahahahahahahahaha O.K. that explains a lot.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:02 pmJuan C is a MM fat ass expert. What’s it look like up there Juanny boy?
July 30th, 2007 at 1:03 pmGood one Ringo!
July 30th, 2007 at 1:04 pmDick Cheney has managd to keep his eye on the ball
hehehehe!
July 30th, 2007 at 1:05 pmHe shoots a friend in the face and then waits 14 hours toi fess up to it.
The Army is now offering a $20,000 “QS” – or “Quick Shipper†— bonus to new and prior service recruits…
http://www.wlwt.com/news/13766925/detail.html
Trolls get your free 20 grand now
July 30th, 2007 at 1:05 pmI can practically foretell everything he’ll say and it’ll all be bogus!!!!!!!
Larry King will probably keep him busy asking him stupid questions about:
-his pacemaker
-his new grandchild
If Gonzales’ name comes up Cheney’ll be supportive of him.
If Iraq comes up everything would be progressing just fine if the Democrats would just shut up about leaving (helps the terrorists you know).
He’ll sit there slouched over with his head tilted a bit sideways and once in awhile his sneer will materialize. He’ll fold his hands together and act like he’s giving a board meeting in which everyone is expected to just sit and listen and nod in agreement.
Bottom line, if it’s not B.S. I will be VERY surprised.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:06 pmOkay, who gave the trolls access to their own feces again?
I’m not cleaning up this mess.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:06 pmFoley said some recruits could tally bonuses up to $40,000 during this period with enlistments of four years or more.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:06 pmRUCerious,
You’re trying way too hard to find a rational explanation for Dubya giving away his presidential powers, it’s really pretty easy, he’s an idiot.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:07 pmLarry King should as bloated Dick McHalliburton if he has a violent reaction when he sees his lesbian daughter kiss her lesbian lover in front of him.
-GSD
July 30th, 2007 at 1:08 pmI would definitely if I were Larry King have a priest come in later and exorcise the studio.
can’t imagine being that close to Pure Evil.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:08 pmFlaco: “ace, any new Tillman was murdered theories?
Jews maybe?”
Piper: “There was a Mossad sharpshooter up on a hill who took out Tillman, he was killed because some rich Joooo lost money on his Arizona Cardinals fantasy football defense after Tillman left.”
Pat Tillman’s body was found to have 3 closely cropped, close-range American bullets in his forehead. What kind of a low-down dirty rat does one have to be to make jokes about this.
Flaco and Piper, you are both lowdown dirty rats, disgusting sociopathic excuses for human beings. How do you even look at yourselves in the mirror without vomiting.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:08 pmGee, the administration must be getting very, very nervous – today Bush is spinning diplomacy and “freedom” with the new PM of GB (what a laugh!) and now Darth is appearing on Larry King. What’s up neocons? Could it be that you see the handwriting on the wall and your own “last throes”?? Now this is the show they should be calling “SICKO” because Cheney is the #1 sicko in the country.
Nice try at the eleventh hour, neocons but it isn’t going to overturn your high crimes & misdemeanors…..but, thanks for playing!
July 30th, 2007 at 1:10 pmOnly a mezmerized Kool-Aid sotted, Bush flunky would consider the deaths of 3 Americans a day for 5 years a success.
That is how much these people hate American troops…..
-GSD
July 30th, 2007 at 1:10 pmI love the way Dumbya today was calling people “cold blooded killers” when Tillman’s death was nothing but a “cold blooded murder”. How does this schizoid look at himself in the mirror each morning? Does he really believe that he conning anyone out there? Not at this point.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:11 pmHaha! Hugo Chavez was right, the Larry King studio will reek of sulfur after Darth Cheney and his minions of death leave.
-GSD
July 30th, 2007 at 1:12 pmHi Kay! Good to see you today. Yes, an exorcism will be in order at the studio for the residual sulphur left in Darth’s wake.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:12 pmNice to see you Veritas
July 30th, 2007 at 1:12 pmHow do you even look at yourselves in the mirror without vomiting.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper
July 30th, 2007 at 1:12 pmOh, they vomit alrighty, then lick it up off the floor.
NeoColons do that.
How about 800,000 Rwandans in 100 days?
July 30th, 2007 at 1:12 pmMy list of questions for Cheney:
1. Did you order Scooter Libby to leak Valerie Plame’s name to the press? Was this in retaliation for the exposing to the press by her husband of the forged Niger documents?
2. When (the date) did you decide to attack Iraq and remove Saddam Hussein? When (the date) did you decide to attack Afghanistan? Was if before or after 9/11?
3. Were you in charge of conducting all those war games that were taking place the morning of 9/11 that produced the mass confusion with our air support?
4. What were you discussing with all the oil and energy moguls during your secret meetings of the Cheney Energy Task Force? Who all was there – representing which corporations? Was the dividing up of the oil wells in Iraq discussed? Did you disucess the coming war with Iraq? Oh, and WHAT was the date of those meetings? Oh, well…, but…, wasn’t that BEFORE 9/11??
5. What did you mean when according to Leon Minetta’s testimony to the 9/11 Commission you said:
Mineta: “During the time that the airplane was coming into the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President…the plane is 50 miles out…the plane is 30 miles out….and when it got down to the plane is 10 miles out, the young man also said to the vice president “do the orders still stand?†And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said “Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary!??â€
6. Why did you need to create your own shadow NSC that answers to you?
7. Why did you feel it necessary to go to Langley CIA Headquarters to pressure CIA analysts into investigating that Niger evidence, even after they told you that it was forged and bogus? Were you involved in the creation and planting of that bogus, forged document?
8. What is your role in the Torture and Rendition programs and with the secret prisons run by the CIA? Do you decide yourself which torture methods to apply?
9. What is your role in the illegal wiretapping and data mining programs, spying on ALL US citizens?
10. What is your reward going to be from Halliburton for all the billions of dollars you have been sending their way?
These are just a few that come to mind..
July 30th, 2007 at 1:13 pmMaybe someone will call in and ask Darth to explain his relationship with Pamela Willefort (wink wink)….you know – his little “Swiss Miss concubine” who was standing next to him when he shot his buddy in the face?? Google Pamela Willeford for some lurid and juicy details about his “affair” with her.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:13 pmBush Regime is nervous about details coming out about Pat Tillman’s murder. That is why Bush is running around with new British PM today and Cheney going onto Larry King show. They are trying to divert attention away from being involved in assassinating Tillman.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:14 pmHiya Ace! How’s your Monday going?
July 30th, 2007 at 1:14 pmLet’s bring back the Klintons to the WH.
I miss the good ole days. Bubba had the Playboy channel in the Oral Orifice.
Let’s get back to doing the peoples business with Shrillary. Bubba can hand pick the new interns for his wifey.
Bring back integrity in the WH with Klinton/Kuchinek ‘08
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Hey they(Clintons) can use the silverware they stole when they left last time.
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HeyOOOoooooOOoooOOOoOO Mr. President
Another great day in the US.
Thanks again for keeping the US safe for 2100+ days.
I slept very well last night thanks to your vigilance.
I will report any suspicious moonbat activity here at TP.
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How about 800,000 Rwandans in 100 days? Success at last!
July 30th, 2007 at 1:14 pmDon’t waste your time. Larry King hasn’t asked a relevant or intelligent question in over 20 years. He has also openly admitted that in order to keep his questions as “genuine” as possible, he hardly does any research or preparation for shows. Instead he only asks questions that HE believes are interesting and will avoid questions that would upset his guests. King openly believes that confronting guests with what we call “tough questions” is essentially mean journalism and not good for television.
In short…good luck educating King on real issues affecting real people and then hopnig he will ask a tough question. And even if you DID manage to pull that off, Cheney would lie and King would follow up with the usual “So you’re saying that…” because if someone lies, he isn’t researched enough to provide an actual fact-based response.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:14 pmooooh a body count contest, what fun. Lets consider as more important though our fellow countrymen.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:15 pmForgot two more..
11. Were you drunk when you shot your friend in the face?
12. Was your name on the DC Madam’s list? Is that why the case quickly wa shut down?
July 30th, 2007 at 1:15 pmJay: What a contrast today with Dumbya making a total jackass of himself and then turning the mic over to the Prime Minister. Just about any leader of any country has more normal synaptic activity in their brain than Bush. How did we get stuck with such a flaming moron? He’s a total embarrassment. I don’t even know how he was able to complete high school with that vocab and idiotic public speaking.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:16 pmFlaco: “How about 800,000 Rwandans in 100 days?”
Give it a rest, you phony. Anyone who makes snide jokes about the murder of Pat Tillman doesn’t give a rat’s ass about a bunch of Rwandans. You are a proud member of Bush’s cult-of-death. You don’t give a damn about dead Africans and you know it.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:17 pmJG: I wouldn’t put it past Womanizer Cheney to be on the DC Madam’s list. He’s been cheating on Lynne for eons. His little Swiss Miss episode was the reason why there was a massive coverup of his drunken shooting spree. That, along with sending the cops away until he sobered up; otherwise, his breathalyzer would have been off the charts.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:17 pmI don’t believe that Cheney truly believes that the efforts in Iraq are progressing well. The United states has financed a 340 billion dollar war, which has not decreased the amount of terrorists or gained any respect from the rest of the world. 78% of Americans believe that fighting global poverty would be successful at fighting terrorism [Borgen Project].
July 30th, 2007 at 1:18 pma=rabs
c=onspire
e=vil
Any new secret words for my decoder ring ace?
I already have Halliburton, Jews, PNAC, 911, Soros.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:19 pm13. Were you involved in the coverup of Pat Tillman’s murder and then turning his death into propaganda for the war??
July 30th, 2007 at 1:20 pmMarkos “SCREW THEM” Moulitas ? wow
July 30th, 2007 at 1:20 pmveritas > Bush showed his unease with the new PM today. Last Friday when the news about Tillman came out, for the first time I noticed FEAR in Bush’s face. He had Pat iced, and if the truth come out, then Bush could be the first President to get a prison term. Not even his dad can help him.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:21 pmI am reporting May Sandal’s comment to TP.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:21 pmUh-oh… looks like Mr. Pee has adopted a new name in order to smear another fallen American warrior.
At least he doesn’t pretend to be a soldier this time. Unless “May Sandal” is a WAC.
What a contemptible pig.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:21 pmAce: Thanks for the links. Looks like the criminals are coming apart at the seams this week. Hitting all the circuits to spin more propaganda but the people aren’t having any of it. In fact, I expect Bush’s numbers to plummet some more this next week. Soon he will be in the teens and Darth will be in the negative numbers. Absolutely NOTHING they can say or do at this point means a damn thing to the people. They’re lameducks and criminals under the constitution and laws of this country.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:21 pmSPREAD THE WORD!
Comment by ace
July 30th, 2007 at 1:22 pm———————————-
what’s the new word ace so I can put it in my decoder ring?
14. Why was your nickname at the CIA “Edgar”?
July 30th, 2007 at 1:22 pm#
a=rabs
c=onspire
e=vil
Any new secret words for my decoder ring ace?
I already have Halliburton, Jews, PNAC, 911, Soros.
Comment by Flaco — July 30, 2007 @ 1:19 pm
If you’re going to use the exact same graphical stunts and formating under multiple screen names, you don’t really expect to conceal the fact that you are using a program that enables it, right? Just like Rove, these criminals and operatives can’t resist drawing attention to what they perceive to be their own particular genius.
boring.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:22 pmSoon he will be in the teens and Darth will be in the negative numbers. Absolutely NOTHING they can say or do at this point means a damn thing to the people
Like Congress is in the teens 14%
July 30th, 2007 at 1:23 pmWouldn’t you just LOVE to hear someone say those two indicting words: PAM WILLEFORD. Then Cheney can be questioned about his extramarital affair with this women who was with him at the shooting accident – he’d lie about it and then perjure himself and be gone – in one fell swoop. The sad fact is that, in this hijacked democracy, it’s worse to get a BJ and lie about it then to lie repeatedly to the people and engage us in an illegal occupation resulting in the deaths of 4,000 americans and countless, innocent iraqis. What blood they have on their hands.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:23 pmDavid Rockefeller & Dick Cheney:
American Traitors…
Cheney laughs about lying to his constituents in order to get elected:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdxLYuvvbgs&NR
July 30th, 2007 at 1:24 pmHow do you spell Mossad Operative?
July 30th, 2007 at 1:24 pmIt that Mossad as in Mossad Ohio?
July 30th, 2007 at 1:24 pmFlake-O,
But why don’t you apply the Coulter Rule to “what” Markos said? You know, he was being provocative and mean to get his point across.
Kind of like Coulter mocking dead children and calling for poisonings of Supreme Justices and calls for genocide and mocking genocide in Darfur.
So Markos was saying that he was much more concerned about US troops than with paid mercenaries. How aweful.
-GSD
P.S. Notice the false attacks against Markos by the members of the Mark Foley/David Vitter Party.
Funny stuff.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:24 pm#
How do you spell Mossad Operative?
Comment by Flaco — July 30, 2007 @ 1:24 pm
M E G A P H O N E
July 30th, 2007 at 1:25 pmHere’s a great question for Mr. Cheney:
How are you and Pamela Willeford getting along these days?
(For those who don’t know, she’s been Cheney’s mistress for years. She was with him in Texas when he had that little “mishap” while quail hunting under the influence.)
July 30th, 2007 at 1:25 pmLynne Cheney knows that Dicky pays for prostitutes, but she does not care since she no longer has to go to bed with him.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:25 pmWho’s Coulter?
July 30th, 2007 at 1:26 pmToo many retards posting today, bye for now.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:26 pmM E G A P H O N E
Comment by ace
July 30th, 2007 at 1:27 pm————————————–
ace you are not suppose to annouce it like that.
You trying to get us killed?
And the only reason Congress’ numbers are so low is because they’re failing the will of the people in ridding us of these twisted charlatans posing as our top officials. That’s the ONLY reason Congress has falling numbers and unless or until they impeach Bush and Cheney, their numbers will not increase.
So, flakeoff, get a life and a brain while you’re at it. It’s because of the fascist pukes you represent are still remaining in office and absolutely nothing to do with the work the Dems are “trying to accomplish” – no thanks to the obstructionist Repukes.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:28 pm#124 Jay Randal,
Begezuss, Going to bed with EITHER Darth or Lynn Cheney would be 10 times worse than waterboarding and considered torture by all (remaining) followers of the Geneva Convention!
July 30th, 2007 at 1:28 pmJay: I think Lynne’s attraction to this deadbeat ended long ago. Willeford must be the type who would do anything (ewwwww) for money and prestige.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:28 pmit’s sad that 800,000 deaths is a convenient statistic to someone. 800,000 is just a big number that makes that little number seem insignificant. but you know what, they’re all human lives.
so it’s true, you don’t actually care for the troops one bit. if you did, you wouldn’t be trying to make their deaths seem insignificant in comparison to rwandans.
it’s also sad that the standard republican response to their own wrongdoing is to try and rationalize it with some other wrongdoing, as if that somehow makes it ok.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:29 pmUPDATE: You can send questions and comments to Larry King Live here and video questions for the show here.
Here’s one for Larry to ask him: “Mr. Cheney, why don’t you go F*#@ yourself?”
Of course, deadeye dick would probably have a long-winded answer even to that one that would somehow link Iraq and Osama bin Laden…
July 30th, 2007 at 1:29 pmNow Mace is Flaco who is Mr. Pee – what a demented psycho troll! I’m outta here too with these morons spreading their contaminated fecal material all over the thread. Later, TP buddies!
July 30th, 2007 at 1:30 pmWell upside > imagine Lynne and Dicky in bed together > she reading a book and him farting > that is the full extent of their love making.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:31 pmHere are the questions Larry WILL ask him:
1. How do you like being Vice President?
July 30th, 2007 at 1:31 pm2. How do you feel you are doing in your job?
3. How do you feel the war is going?
4. What would you like to do when you leav office?
5. How is your grandchild?
6. How old is he (she?) now?
7. Are you doing anything fun during the August break?
8. What’s your favorite vegetable?
9. What’s your favorite color?
10. … Please don’t hurt me…
This thread is beginning to resemble a Howdy Doody Show! We’ve got one deranged troll posing as 15 other people making nonsensical claims about everyone he knows. Is this kindergarten?
July 30th, 2007 at 1:31 pmAccording to Limbaugh, there is a article in the NYT. that is favorable about the surge.
Let’s see if Cheney quotes this article.
Did Judy Miller ghostwrite it?
It seems like Limbaugh and Cheney have coordinated their messages once again.
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July 30th, 2007 at 1:32 pmace,
I am having a Mossad Operative over tonight for a small get together. What do you suggest for dinner?
July 30th, 2007 at 1:33 pmwow. the recent breed of trolls here at tp are particularly sociopathic.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:33 pmand seemingly proud of it.
There won’t be any viewer questions. I’m guessing it was part of the agreement he had w/CNN for the interview.
Go to http://www.cnn.com/larryking. I can submit questions for Duane the Dog, Paula Deen and Star Jones. Not for Dead Eye Dick.
I’m not discouraging anyone from trying, just pointing out that Big-Time doesn’t care about you.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:33 pmComment by Mace — July 30, 2007 @ 1:29 pm
Can’t actually dispute any of the facts ace brings to light, can you? So you’re reduced to attempting to spew enough ridicule to drown him out.
It’s not working. Please, don’t stop, though. Your antics, although ineffective, are quite entertaining.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:33 pmHey trolls! Doesn’t look like any of you have anything of any substance to say so why don’t you skeddadle? Don’t you have anything else to do?
July 30th, 2007 at 1:33 pmHeyoooOOOoOoOOoo Mr. President!
July 30th, 2007 at 1:33 pmAdding to my previous list..
15. What was it that that father commented to you that after he walked away you sent the Secret Service after him and had him arrested in front of his 8 year old son and taken away in cuffs?
July 30th, 2007 at 1:34 pmSubbing tonight for Larry King… Jon Stewart. Cheney, “I’m outta here.”
July 30th, 2007 at 1:35 pmOkay, who gave the trolls access to their own feces again?
I’m not cleaning up this mess.
Comment by mikey r — July 30, 2007 @ 1:06 pm
Neither is ThinkProgress…..
July 30th, 2007 at 1:35 pmZooey sez:
Nope. TP only deletes posts that point out certain uncomfortable facts.
The troll droppings are fact-free.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:37 pmComment by cynicalgirl
Marshall Crenshaw fan?
July 30th, 2007 at 1:37 pmSubbing tonight for Larry King… Jon Stewart. Cheney, “I’m outta here.â€
I WISH!! I would LOVE to have Jon Stewart asking the questions and Cheney then have to respond. I would pay BIG money for that.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:37 pmNope. TP only deletes posts that point out certain uncomfortable facts.
The troll droppings are fact-free.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 30, 2007 @ 1:37 pm
I’m sick of waiting on Faiz’ promises.
Later.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:38 pmI suppose Larry King will have Traitor Joe LIEberman on the next night after Dicky Cheney, then Senile John McCain the night after that.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:38 pmHey trolls! Doesn’t look like any of you have anything of any substance to say so why don’t you skeddadle? Don’t you have anything else to do?
Comment by margaret
They don’t, generally. I suppose that’s one of the “advantages” to not having any kind of life outside mommy’s basement. Sometimes they pretend to “go to school”, but it’s a lame pretense.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:39 pmZooey, I didn’t get to say hi yet. Hi!
July 30th, 2007 at 1:39 pmwow. the recent breed of trolls here at tp are particularly sociopathic.
and seemingly proud of it.
Comment by lonesomerobot — July 30, 2007 @ 1:33 pm
I guess they had to do something. Their old routine clearly wasn’t working. It was either adapt or die. Unfortunately, these clowns (or clown) listened to their pastor and dismissed evolution. If they had actually studied the theory, they’d realize that they have to change to better handle the environment, which the trolls are obviously failing to do. Change itself isn’t sufficient. And change for the worse (less logic, fewer facts, less relevance, more sociopathy) is clearly going to doom them to extinction.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:39 pm#157 –
Nope. TP only deletes posts that point out certain uncomfortable facts.
The troll droppings are fact-free.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey
Zooey & TMM,
I find it tiresome but slightly amusing that our resident troll has to talk to (and answer) itself. That’s what happens when mom doesn’t leave the basement door unlocked when she leaves for her Parents of Idiots Support group meeting..
July 30th, 2007 at 1:40 pmJose:
How many names are you posting under today?
Talk to yourself much, Flaco?
“Oh look, there’s Mr. President in the mirror!”
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“We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai.” David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.
“It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands.” Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.
“Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours… Everything we don’t grab will go to them.” Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.
“Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don’t worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it.” – Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.
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July 30th, 2007 at 1:41 pmMr. Pee claims in post 168 that the existence of George W. Bush is “not easily verified” and so is not worth serious thought.
Says a lot about the way the troll mind works.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:44 pmace,
I am having a Mossad Operative over tonight for a small get together. What do you suggest for dinner?
Comment by Martha Stewart
July 30th, 2007 at 1:45 pm——————————————————————
for dessert let me suggest Bake Alaskan.
“We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel… Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours.” Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces – Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.
On 04 September 2001 a demonstration was held in Jerusalem to support of the Idea of the State Israel from the Nile to the Euphrates. It was organised by the movement Bead Artzein (”For the Homeland”), headed by rabbi and historian Avrom Shmulevic from Hebron. According to Shmulevic, “We shall have no peace as long as the whole territory of the Land of Israel will not return under Jewish control…. A stable peace will come only then, when Israel will return to itself all its historical lands, and will thus control both the Suez and the Ormudz channel…. We must remember that Iraqi oil fields too are located on the Jewish land.”
What is “Eretz Israel?
THIS is Eretz Israel:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Israel
“We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves.” Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.
“We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai.” David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.
“It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands.” Yoram Bar Porath, Yediot Aahronot, of 14 July 1972.
“Everybody has to move, run and grab as many hilltops as they can to enlarge the settlements because everything we take now will stay ours… Everything we don’t grab will go to them.” Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.
“Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don’t worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it.” – Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:45 pmDumbest troll yet on TP is “Brassmask” who was on the threads late last night. He was defending the pedophile Mark Foley.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:45 pmI love Iran man.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:45 pmVery well said, Mikey R.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:45 pm“Well, Larry, I’m finally realizing that my credibility is in its last throes, if you will…”
July 30th, 2007 at 1:46 pmThanks, mikey R. You’re looking good today.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:46 pmHe was defending the pedophile Mark Foley.
Comment by Jay Randal — July 30, 2007 @ 1:45 pm
That was impressive, wasn’t it? I loved the circular logic in his replies. One had the distinct feeling one was dealing w/ an angry 10 yr old.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:47 pmBoy, it’s great to have all of these online friends I can catch up with, even though I have a ton of real-life people who care about me.
Honest.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:47 pm“Col. Jack Ripper,
Pat Tillman got what he deserved!
I’m glad they murdered that Commie bastard!”
Comment by May Sandal — July 30, 2007 @ 1:18 pm
There it is, TP posters! Gaze upon the state of fallen, sociopathic, Bush followers and their cult-of-death. Could there be anything lower than this? I see that after this insightful post, she crawled back into her stinking little hole, never to be heard from again.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:48 pmMe too, Mikey R. I know exactly what you’re saying. These libtards can’t possibly understand the depths of our relationship.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:48 pmHey, you two mikey Rs, don’t forget me!
How’s it goin’?
July 30th, 2007 at 1:49 pmJesus H Christ, what a f___ing mess in here!
July 30th, 2007 at 1:49 pmHeyooooOOOooooOOOOooo mikey p!
Mikey R and I were just catching up. Sleep well?
July 30th, 2007 at 1:49 pmRepublic post 183 > I got the feeling that Brassmask is the 18 year old guy he kept referring to that Foley had sex with. Who else but him would defend Mark his lover?!
July 30th, 2007 at 1:49 pmComment by Jay Randal — July 30, 2007 @ 1:45 pm
Dumbest troll? That’s like the most pregnant.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:50 pmTHESE ARE THE SPONSORS BEHIND THE TROLLS ON THIS SITE.
Comment by ace
July 30th, 2007 at 1:52 pm—————————————————-
No my sponser is Red Bull and Coca Cola.
Slightly OT
Hey trolls! Here is some great news for ya! You are losing Alabama! Bring on 2008!
BwaaaaaaaHaaaaaaaHaaaaa
This from the Daily Kos
Bush Tanking in Alabama
by MissLaura
Mon Jul 30, 2007 at 09:37:39 AM PDT
I wasn’t sure we’d ever see this:
The survey by the Press-Register and University of South Alabama marked the first time that the poll has found more than half rating Bush only fair or poor: 29 percent rated his job as poor, 23 percent only fair, 38 percent good and 8 percent excellent.
The last time the survey asked about Bush’s overall job performance, in August 2005, 52 percent rated it as good or excellent.
The survey, published Sunday, also found that when asked about Bush’s handling of the war in Iraq, 40 percent rated it poor, 24 percent only fair, 25 percent good and 7 percent excellent.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:53 pmIran Bamboozler Invited to White House as “Expert”
By Paul Kiel – May 31, 2006, 11:35 AM
Recently, Amir Taheri published an op-ed in Canada’s National Post about an Iranian law that forced Jews to wear a yellow stripe. The story, reminiscent of Nazi Germany, quickly provoked outrage, but was just as quickly revealed to be a total fabrication. It also ran in the New York Post.
Apparently this is just the sort of reliable advice that President Bush needs. Yesterday, Taheri had a face-to-face with the President as one of a small group of “experts” on Iraq that visited the White House.
According to Press Secretary Tony Snow, the experts were invited to the White House for their “honest opinions” on Iraq.
http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/000785.php
Taheri is a super special neocon. Check him out on wikipedia.
“Amir Taheri: Israel must claim victory over Palestine”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amir_Taheri
July 30th, 2007 at 1:54 pmWhat they do, have a troll pep rally this morning, slip a little something in the cocoa? It’s kind of astonishing that the ones who come here and post such crude, ugly comments about someone like P Tillman are only proving how nasty and out-of-touch they are.
Keep it guys. Go for the gold! You’re making the righties look… ah… “better” and “better” everyday! Yeah, that’s the word…
July 30th, 2007 at 1:55 pmWhat’s this thread about? I forgot.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:55 pmPat Tillman is an American Hero just like President Bush his Commander in Chief.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:56 pm#
What’s this thread about? I forgot.
Comment by Flaco — July 30, 2007 @ 1:55 pm
Using upwards of twenty different screen names per thread, you no doubt forgot your own name as well.
You must be so proud.
July 30th, 2007 at 1:58 pmWhat they do, have a troll pep rally this morning, slip a little something in the cocoa?
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — July 30, 2007 @ 1:55 pm
I figured this would happen. I checked in a little bit yesterday and the trolls were pretty subdued. m12 was holding down the fort by himself for a while.
Figured that they were all off on a team-building retreat, shooting each other with paintballs or something, like the chickenhawks they are, and that they’d be back in full force this morning.
Unfortunately for them, their handlers forgot to supply them with any real ammunition or logical talking points, so they’re reduced to flinging their own poo (again).
July 30th, 2007 at 1:58 pmI don’t care anymore if this FREAK cheney admits his errors or bull shit.
The man is a jerk that is taking up way too much space on this planet.
I would not be surprised if he was a NAZI in his previous pathetic life.
July 30th, 2007 at 2:02 pmI am strongly considering reporting this post to TP.
Comment by Egreggious — July 30, 2007 @ 1:59 pm
We’ve been reporting these comments to TP for several days and they aren’t doing anything. Kind of sad…
July 30th, 2007 at 2:05 pm#158, good guess
July 30th, 2007 at 2:06 pmYou’re a wonderful posterboy for the kind of support troops can expect from Bush supporters.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — July 30, 2007 @ 2:00 pm
They don’t get it Col. The trolls here only embarrass themselves endlessly. Its why people are abandoning the GOOP in droves right now. It’s been taken over by psychotic thugs.
July 30th, 2007 at 2:06 pmAce – Do you think Larry King will ask Cheney about Lebanon’s Siniora comments today regarding the US’s 25% increase in aid to Israel?
“A statement issued by Siniora’s office said he expressed displeasure, surprise and astonishment when he learned of United States plans to increase military aid to Israel by 25 percent, from $2.4 billion to $3 billion per year, guaranteed for 10 years.”
“The statement issued by Siniora’s office warned that military assistance to Israel encour¬es and increases feelings of Arab and Islamic desperation and, consequently, strengthens and feeds extremist currents.”
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/887901.html
July 30th, 2007 at 2:07 pmSlightly OT
The list is long but cogent and a good reminder of the costs incurred by BushCo’s invasion.
Let us pause for a moment of sadness…
From the Daily Kos
by Meteor Blades
Sun Jul 29, 2007 at 02:13:38 PM PDT
Iraq by the numbers is an infuriating and ferociously saddening exercise. But let’s do it anyway.
655,000: Iraqi deaths a Johns-Hopkins study attributed to the war nine months ago.
July 30th, 2007 at 2:08 pm2770: Iraqi civilians killed in May 2007, according to government reports. (Actual figure unknown because the Iraqi government refuses to share its data with outside agencies that could verify totals.)
1.9 million: Estimated Iraqis displaced within the country.
2.35 million: Estimated Iraqi exiles outside the country in January 2007.
18,000: Iraqi doctors who have fled the country since March 2003.
???: Iraqis orphaned by the war – no reliable statistics.
25%: Iraqi children who are malnourished (May 2006).
130,000: U.S. troops taking part in the invasion at Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld’s insistence.
500,000: U.S. troops estimated to be necessary by generals who put together a prewar contingency plan.
$60-$95 billion: Total cost of Iraq war and aftermath calculated by Paul Wolfowitz in February 2003.
$600 billion: Money Congress has allocated for direct costs of the war and occupation so far.
$750 billion: Total the Cheney-Bush Administration has sought for keeping the occupation going through September 2008.
$140,000: Estimated cost per minute of the war and occupation in 2007.
$2 trillion: Total direct and indirect costs of war and occupation (through 2010) calculated by Joseph Stiglitz and Linda Blimes in January 2006.
$9 billion: Taxpayer money that disappeared in Iraq.
$549.7 million: Value of unaccounted for spare parts shipped to contractors in 2004.
$1.4 billion: Overcharges by Halliburton.
6,000-10,000: Estimated number of U.S. troops whose injuries have included brain trauma.
30%: Estimated percentage of troops who develop serious mental problems within three or four months after returning from Iraq.
14: Journalists killed by U.S. forces in Iraq.
112: Total number of journalists killed in Iraq.
1-2 a day: Hours of electricity available to the average residential household in Baghdad. (Actual figure unknown since U.S. no longer reports the electricity figures for the city.)
5000: “Diehard” insurgents the Pentagon estimated to be fighting on July 28, 2003.
20-30,000: Insurgents the Pentagon estimated in October 2006.
70,000: Insurgents the Pentagon estimated in March 2007.
69%: Iraqis who say U.S. presence worsens security situation (polled in March 2007).
71%: Iraqis who want U.S. troops out within a year (polled in September 2006).
71%: Americans who want U.S. to withdraw troops by April 2008 (polled in July 2007).
52%: U.S. Senators who have voted to withdraw most troops by April 2008.
8%: Republican Senators who have voted to withdraw most troops by April 2008.
I’m guessing, however, that Lebanon has absolutely NO problem with the U.S. selling $20 billion in high-tech weapons to Saudi Arabia.
July 30th, 2007 at 2:10 pmMargaret > Bush family should pay 3 Billion out of their personal Swiss bank account to Israel yearly. No reason for US taxpayers to do it.
July 30th, 2007 at 2:11 pmThanks for the stats Merlin. Sobering.
“5000: “Diehard†insurgents the Pentagon estimated to be fighting on July 28, 2003.
20-30,000: Insurgents the Pentagon estimated in October 2006.
70,000: Insurgents the Pentagon estimated in March 2007.’
Their own numbers show a growing insurgency. It shows me the bush plan is a failure.
July 30th, 2007 at 2:16 pmJay – I agree with you and was thinking somewhat along those lines after reading Merlin’s list. I can’t help but wonder how many government officials have made out like bandits over all of this military spending.
Col. Ripper – I don’t get your point. Please enlighten me?
July 30th, 2007 at 2:18 pmWhat will never be asked…..
Mr. Vice-President, as an independent voter free of political affiliation, when I take into consideration the comments the administration has made regarding the reasons for going to war in Iraq, the level of the insurgency, cost in lives and dollars, pre and post war planning, etcetera, they have all been wrong. On all counts for nearly 6 years. Why should the American people believe your assessments or predictions now, and what evidence do you possess demonstrating your accuracy regarding any aspect of the Iraq war assessments or predictions you have provided?
July 30th, 2007 at 2:18 pmNational security earl! Can’t divulge any details just give vague insinuations that will hopefully scare you too much to ask any more questions!
July 30th, 2007 at 2:21 pmDumbest troll yet on TP is “Brassmask†who was on the threads late last night. He was defending the pedophile Mark Foley.
Comment by Jay Randal
That was a creepy one. He kept insisting that the page Foley was stalking was really 18, so it was perfectly OK — and in spite of the fact that the kid was 16 at the time of the IMs.
I just don’t know, Jay, if I’d give him “dumbest troll” status. The competition is fierce. PiPPy and The Joker have given him serious competition and I doubt we’ve seen the bottom yet.
July 30th, 2007 at 2:21 pmRwanda by the numbers is an infuriating and ferociously saddening exercise. But let’s do it anyway.
800,000 Dead Rwandans in 100 days. Did not cost us one red cent except the phone call and speech Clinton delivered to say he was sorry. Trillions saved.
Bosnia success story – 2.2 million displaced = one hot real estate market.
July 30th, 2007 at 2:23 pmearl, that’s a great worded question that won’t be heard but needs to be said.
dumbest troll = oxymoron
July 30th, 2007 at 2:24 pmdumbest troll = oxymoron
Comment by hellinabucket — July 30, 2007 @ 2:24 pm
Or is it redundancy? :)
July 30th, 2007 at 2:25 pmi thank dick for keeping me safe from meteors.
hey idiot flaco, look up logical inconsistencies. just because X is true doesnt mean Y had anything to do with it. There is the just as likely chance that Z or A, B, and C is the real reason.
anyone that thinks these incompetent morons have done anything to keep us terrorist attack free is delusional. its like the numerous reports, dry runs, and tests over the last 6+ years that consistently detail how unprepared we are, how porous security is, and how unprotected critical sites like nuclear plants and ports are dont even exist. the most likely reason there hasnt been another attack is because they havent launched one.
July 30th, 2007 at 2:25 pm“5000: “Diehard†insurgents the Pentagon estimated to be fighting on July 28, 2003.
20-30,000: Insurgents the Pentagon estimated in October 2006.
70,000: Insurgents the Pentagon estimated in March 2007.’
Their own numbers show a growing insurgency. It shows me the bush plan is a failure.
Comment by hellinabucket — July 30,
Quick, somebody go back and get a shitload of gasoline to douse this fire!
July 30th, 2007 at 2:25 pmbe sure to buy that gas from KBR at $6.95 a gallon. Only the finest gas will do.
July 30th, 2007 at 2:29 pmAnd let’s send it several tens of thousands of additional firefighters to spray the gas!
July 30th, 2007 at 2:33 pmFirefighters? don’t you mean electrical engineers from Thialand? Who else would know more about fires? mmmmmmmmm. Thia food.
July 30th, 2007 at 2:37 pmGet em on a plane, then tell em they’re headed for Baghdad…
July 30th, 2007 at 2:40 pmFrom the list above:
6,000-10,000: Estimated number of U.S. troops whose injuries have included brain trauma.
30%: Estimated percentage of troops who develop serious mental problems within three or four months after returning from Iraq.
This hurts deeply…
I cry for the victims listed here, for that is what they are, victims of BushCo’s pre-emptive invasion. These broken and damaged souls are the fodder our self righteous trolls proudly walk upon with their smug self satisified rants.
July 30th, 2007 at 2:43 pmHere is a list of Larry King questions:
Who does your hair?
How does Lynne stay so young and beautiful?
How does it feel being a new Grandpa?
There is small percentage of Americans that aren’t crazy about you, how do you feel about that?
Will you be playing Santa Claus again at the Halliburton We Love Jesus So Much Christmas Party?
Now let’s spend the rest of our time talking about common heart ailments…
Jack Jett
July 30th, 2007 at 2:48 pmhttp://www.jackejett.com
“¿Quién es más máquina?â€
July 30th, 2007 at 2:50 pmAnother question you won’t see.
Were you tempted to just finish your friend off after shooting him in the face?
July 30th, 2007 at 2:54 pmMr. Jett – you are right on (unfortunately). See my post at #74.
p.s. your show looks like it could be funny as hell. I don’t think we can get it over here on the east coast? You must be a strong guy to grow up you in Texas!
July 30th, 2007 at 3:00 pmhellingabucket – I bet when he shot his “friend” that his first thought was “Damn – this’ll put a crimp in the trip”
July 30th, 2007 at 3:03 pm“The statement issued by Siniora’s office warned that military assistance to Israel encour¬es and increases feelings of Arab and Islamic desperation and, consequently, strengthens and feeds extremist currents.â€
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/887901.html
Comment by margaret — July 30, 2007 @ 2:07 pm
Why does Bush seek to embolden the enemy?
July 30th, 2007 at 3:07 pmmargaret – that might have been the first thing that went thru Cheney’s head but it wasn’t what went thru his friends head.
July 30th, 2007 at 3:09 pmhellinabucket – that’s what I meant actually. Guess I wasn’t specific enough. My point was that I seriously doubt Cheney had even a twinge of remorse about the event as far as injuring his “friend” goes. Was probably just pissed at the inconvenience it caused. In fact, I’ll go one step further and say that I suspect Cheney was even pissed off at his “friend” for being in the way and causing all that hullaballoo.
July 30th, 2007 at 3:19 pmfunky p – and that’s from a Israeli web site.
July 30th, 2007 at 3:20 pmhellinabucket – that’s what I meant actually. Guess I wasn’t specific enough. My point was that I seriously doubt Cheney had even a twinge of remorse about the event as far as injuring his “friend†goes. Was probably just pissed at the inconvenience it caused. In fact, I’ll go one step further and say that I suspect Cheney was even pissed off at his “friend†for being in the way and causing all that hullaballoo.
Comment by margaret — July 30, 2007 @ 3:19 pm
Did you see that the guy actually apologized for all he put the Cheney family through?
July 30th, 2007 at 3:23 pmDid you see that the guy actually apologized for all he put the Cheney family through?
Comment by funky p — July 30, 2007 @ 3:23 pm
Yes!! Unbelievable.
July 30th, 2007 at 3:32 pm“Tough Questions” hah! has anybody seen Larry King throw anything but softballs?
July 30th, 2007 at 3:54 pmLarry’s gonna get tough and ask Darth why he had Pat Tillman taken out.
July 30th, 2007 at 4:20 pmIf we don’t impeach these guys, freedom in America may be in its last throes.
July 30th, 2007 at 5:30 pmDick Cheney = Oil Slick Dick
At this rate our future is this:
Brave New World/1984/THX 1138
or
Mad Max/Road Warrior
July 30th, 2007 at 8:18 pm“Mission Accomplished!”
“Last throes!”
“Stay the course!”
“We are finally getting somewhere in Iraq…”
Blah, blah, blah.
Meanwhile, back in Darfur…
July 30th, 2007 at 8:31 pmI want to know what Mr. Cheney’s plans are for after his impeachment. Will he retire, participate in civil service or perhaps be a PFLAG activist in support of his daughter? Inquiring, sarcastic minds want to know.
July 31st, 2007 at 1:17 amHuh?
July 31st, 2007 at 1:50 amAs soooooo many above have indicated..
July 31st, 2007 at 11:35 am“Yawn”..why watch Larry Queen toss
cheney soft balls