suffered a seizure this afternoon. “Roberts, 52, was taken by ambulance to the Penobscot Bay Medical Center, where he underwent a ‘thorough neurological evaluation, which revealed no cause for concern.’”
‘thorough neurological evaluation, which revealed no cause for concern.
In other words “they looked at his brain and found nothing”. And honestly best of luck with that. I had a friend who had seizures all his adult life…nothing pretty about it.
He had one before. This means, since it’s his second, that they might look toward medicine to control them.
There will definately be follow up EEG’s, Cat Scans and MRI’s.
This is far from over for him.
I just wish to stop any ill-wishing that went on in the Ted Stevens thread before it starts here.
No sense in wishing illness or death upon anyone unless you’re a televangelist. In fact, we probably should rally around Roberts, who, despite a record contradictory to his testimony (precedent anyone?) seems to be one of the least damaging Bush appointees.
No cause for concern? This guy is apparently healthy, has a SECOND unexplained seizure, suffers a fall wherein he could have been seriously injured — and there’s no cause for concern?
I will not wish him ill will. But I don’t particularly feel like wishing him good will. I find it very hard to waste my good will on a man who does not have good intentions in life and who has no soul. Roberts does not have good intentions in life. He is a corporatist and he shows no compassion for anything other than the almighty buck. He is also a religious zealot who has allowed his religious beliefs to cloud his judgment as a Supreme Court Justice.
“Roberts has epilepsy, but he never told the Congress before he got confirmed. Americans will have to live with his seizures for 20 years.”
Add that to the other lies he told in his confirmation hearings and you don’t end up with someone with good moral character. I am still furious with the Democrats for not calling the Republicans bluff by filibustering Roberts and Alito. It actually would have worked out well for the Democrats if the Republicans had done away with the filibuster. Look how much easier life would be for the Democrats in Congress today without the Republican’s ability to filibuster everything they try to do.
Bilbobaggins-
Please concisely list what you deem to be the lies he told the Committee. Name one. I find it a bit telling (save for Trueblue) that the “supposed” party of compassion is so shameful when a man suffers something such as CJ Roberts. I guess that shows that the left is no different than the right: both are filled with ignorant individuals that cannot think for themselves.
Not even people that our destroying the United States?
Comment by JPV
NO.
Do you believe in the death penalty?
Do you think he should suffer horribly, simply because he is narrow minded?
This came up on the dog fight thread, which I chose not to answer.
Every human life is special. Every human is capable of learning, and of change. Barry Goldwater changed his views drastically since he ran for President. Should he have been cut down because of what he once felt?
I thought we were people of compassion.
I thought we cared.
…………………………….I need to leave, before I get angry.
No matter his affliation, I still care.
In launching his 21-day “prayer offensive” directed at the Supreme Court, Pat Robertson asks his viewers to help him pray for three justices’ death. “One justice is 83-years-old, another has cancer and another has a heart condition. Would it not be possible for God to put it in the minds of these three judges that the time has come to retire?”
Well, we see where a good deal of this hate prayer comes from. Anne Coulter wants to poison Judges. Oreilly hopes that San Francsico gets nuked. Falwell and Tammy Faye Baker recently passed on. Bush had polyps. Cheney a new ticker battery. Roberts a seizure. Anne Coulter wants to poison Judges.
I am a Christian, but I cannot for the life of me figure out why these people are so crazy with hate. I see a troll here today talking about Pat Tillmans headache.
…………………………….I need to leave, before I get angry.
No matter his affliation, I still care.
Comment by trueblue — July 30, 2007 @ 8:27 pm
well, go ahead, but we are people of compassion, and we care deeply about our country and its future. Roberts doesn’t, and has proven it. Nobody wished he would have a seizure and fall, but God obviously works in mysterious ways. maybe God loves the USA more than 1 individual. I know I do. And Roberts is pro-death penalty, as I recall. ironic.
I was just thinking…
Now that we know Supreme Court Chief Justice Roberts has epilepsy, when can we expect Rush Limbaugh to mimic his seizures in front of his audience for laughs? Maybe even call him a faker? Just wondering.
well, go ahead, but we are people of compassion, and we care deeply about our country and its future. Roberts doesn’t, and has proven it. Nobody wished he would have a seizure and fall, but God obviously works in mysterious ways. maybe God loves the USA more than 1 individual. I know I do. And Roberts is pro-death penalty, as I recall. ironic.
Comment by ronjazz — July 30, 2007 @ 8:33 pm
Dude, a little compassion is all. I would think some of us might take a hint that epilepsy is a sensitive issue for trueblue.
Well, maybe you’re right, because then I can spread the word about how AWFUL it is to wish anyone, ANYONE, such a disease.
It’s only been under control for a couple of years, but now she’s getting debilitating dizzy spells, so it’s more tests to see WTF is going on.
She cares about this country. Just today she pointed out that if GWB is so keen on looking for people with contacts to Osama bin Laden, then he himself should be locked up as an enemy combatant.
Wow. What a detriment to this country SHE is….
I’m sick of the hatred. There’s no need for it.
And there was no need for your answer to me.
None.
“Please concisely list what you deem to be the lies he told the Committee. Name one. I find it a bit telling (save for Trueblue) that the “supposed†party of compassion is so shameful when a man suffers something such as CJ Roberts. I guess that shows that the left is no different than the right: both are filled with ignorant individuals that cannot think for themselves.
Comment by Spencer”
Well, let’s see. He said:
“John G. Roberts Jr. yesterday summed up his Senate hearings to become the nation’s 17th chief justice by declaring, “I’m not an ideologue,”
That turned out not to be true.
Even someone from your side of the fence thinks that Roberts lied in his confirmation hearing:
Hi Zooey: Ok, I think I get where you are coming from. But I think you are overreacting somewhat. Just because we don’t feel compassion for John Roberts doesn’t mean we don’t feel compassion for trueblue. I did not say I wish Robert would die. I just said I find it hard to feel any compassion for him. I’ll save that compassion for the families of the women who will die because Roberts, who is NOT an ideologue according to him, voted to sustain the so-called partial birth abortion bill. Since abortion is not mentioned in the Constitution, his vote could only be seen as being based on his religious beliefs and that makes him an ideologue.
Bilbobaggins-
I’m still unconvinced. You also assume I’m from “the other side of the fence.” It would be more correct to say I’m reasonable, and not an ideologue, as you show yourself to be.
Please she me proof that Roberts is an ideologue. If he was an ideologue, wouldn’t he, Alito, Thomas, and Scalia always vote the same way? Unfortunately for your poorly conceived knee-jerk argument, those 4 justices do not always vote together.
You mention the Carhart II. Your argument about abortion is on a collision course with itself. Indeed, because abortion is not mentioned in the Constitution, couldn’t make a strong argument that Justice Blackmun and the other 6 justices that joined Roe are ideologues, as their votes only reflected their own personal moral or value choices? In fact, Justice Byron White was personally pro-choice, but did not agree with Blackmun’s reading of a substantive due process right to abortion in the 14th Amendment. Certainly one could not be intellectually honest and call Justice White’s dissent in Roe ideologically based.
Again, your arguments fail on substance. And that is what bothers me about the left and the right…neither side seems to discuss substance.
Zoo, there is no indication he has epilepsy. Seizures are a symptom of epilepsy. Having 2 in 10 years certainly means he probably does not have it.
Comment by JPark — July 30, 2007 @ 9:25 pm
I know that, JPark! It’s beside the point.
Maybe read the thread to see why trueblue might be upset at some of the comments.
Zoo, I get it. I am sensitive to motorcycles. I hate them. But Roberts deserves NO sympathy. He and his ilk are torturing, anti-democratic scum. Call me cold but I would not be unhappy if he shuffled off the mortal coil.
JPark-
Federalist Society? Honestly? Is that some kind of insult? Why does that matter anyways? By the way, I’m not a member of FedSoc. Isn’t it a bit disingenuous for Senator Schumer to so passionately criticize judicial nominees for being members of Federalist Society when he speaks, and is a part of, the American Constitution Society? That said, those invoking God as a means of criticizing Roberts are no better than the likes of Pat Robertson, Falwell, and any of those other wack jobs. I seriously doubt that Roberts’s seizure was manifestation of some kind of divine wrath, as that implies that those who suffer some sort of health problem is under the punishment of God. The logical application of that argument is that President Clinton was divinely when he suffered heart problems. The obvious answer is that did not happen. I’m sorry to see that people on the left are actually sinking to the level of Ann Coulter in wishing ill on CJ Roberts.
Roberts practically denied membership in your Federalist Society. Why is that Spencer? I will answer. Because they are a fringe radical, anti-Constitutional group.
I had “Petite Mall Epilepsy” as a child. I would go into fits of rage and hurt people and never remember doing so. I would black out. I was on medication until I was 16. Not a very good experience for any parties involed.
Oh, crimedog. Go to LGF…or freeperland. But, wait, I am not sure any of them let their inbred mouthbreathers post. TP lets you and your ilk post here. Not sure that is wise. Contact with you lowers everybody’s IQ by 5…at least.
Only God has the control and even if Roberts is doing his job of dividing the US he will have to answer for his actions. Sometimes people will sell their souls to get to the top only to see they don’t have any control into when they leave this earth. I hope Roberts takes to heart what damage he’s done and will ask God for time to correct it.
The fact that Roberts has had similar seizures twice already, and that neither time was the root cause identified, is itself a cause for concern, in my opinion.
But, hey, what do I know? I am just a member of the unwashed masses who should know by now to defer to their betters, if we are to believe Novak & Co.
I am a Christian, but I cannot for the life of me figure out why these people are so crazy with hate. I see a troll here today talking about Pat Tillmans headache.
Comment by PI SCION — July 30, 2007 @ 8:32 pm
This thread and others show that both the left and right have hateful people who see nothing wrong with delighting in the suffering of others. Some people actually care more about getting what they want than the well being of people and still stridently call themselves compassionate. ;)
I cannot believe some of the hatred and bile I am reading on this post. You people truly are NAZIS.
Comment by The Hateful Left
did a glance and do not see anything so horrid…suppose the right is hoping to find enough hatred here in order to justify more smearing? Isn’t that how it works?
I’ll save that compassion for the families of the women who will die because Roberts, who is NOT an ideologue according to him, voted to sustain the so-called partial birth abortion bill.
Comment by bilbobaggins — July 30, 2007 @ 9:01 pm
No women will die for lack of partial birth abortion. If you read the ruling, doctors can still inject the baby to kill it, then partially deliver it and smash its skull. Why does the baby need to be alive for the procedure? It seems more COMPASSIONATE not to make the baby suffer.
The right did a good job exploiting partial birth abortion as if that is really performed routinely. Partial birth abortion was/is a procedure used in rare cases… never before belonged with ‘abortion’ until the frenzied Christian right terrorized the masses with it. Come on folks… wouldn’t it be obvious when this was done… 8 months pregnant today – gone tomarrow…How many know of someone that had a partial birth abortion? 0?
At University my husband had a friend who suffered from epilepsy. He is the most brilliant and warmhearted person. (BTW he is an American) The moment of absolute loss of control during a seizure must be horrible to experience. If I imagine the horror and fear and afterwards the feeling of shame (because it happened in public and everybody stares) for something so very beyond your control…
If I think of it, Justice Roberts has my full sympathy. Let’s talk of his shortcomings in another context. For now, I wish him well.
trueblue, our friend had a PhD in chemistry at a very young age and then went back to the US to research epilepsy and study medicine. He was really brilliant. I am sure your daughter is a wonderful girl and while the sickness is a real burden the sickness doesn’t make her any less special. Blessings.
Okay folks “benign ideopathic seizures” are just that seizures that are “ideopathic”. “Ideopathic” is something a doctor or doctors can’t find the root cause of at a given time. Contrary to what the media was given no seizure is “benign”, since damage is done to the brain each time a seizure occurs. Yes, adults can have “ideopathic seizures”. I suffered from them for over twenty years, until a neurologist found a scar on my brain tissue that was causing my seizures.
My seizures did not start until I was 31 and have continued, even with medication about once per year until the present.
Since CJ Roberts has had a second seizure the Commonwealth of Virginia will now require that he be medicated or forfeit his driving privileges. Let’s see how he likes the cost of Dilantin, Keppra, or Zonegran without an Insurance plan. The monthly cost of each of those drugs is over $600.00 each per prescription. I take two per month. Most neurologists will not allow a patient to take “generic” drugs, since they have not been proven. So you are stuck paying the full price for the drugs. I’ve never fallen, my seizures are more of a “zoning out”. For more information on epilepsy visit epilepsy.org
Whether or not it’s OK to wish death upon a fellow American that whose politics some may disagree with should not even be a serious topic for discussion. Some of you cats need to take a step back and look in the mirror.
Many of you have family that don’t see eye to eye with you politically; do you wish death and illness upon them as well?
“grand-mal” seizures (aka tonic clonic) are the stereoptypical epilitic seizure. As opposed to petite mal, atonic, and partial.
As for Roberts, fu(k him. The sooner he’s gone the better (though I guess he needs to wait util the new president is sworn in)
I will not wish him ill will. But I don’t particularly feel like wishing him good will. I find it very hard to waste my good will on a man who does not have good intentions in life and who has no soul
There are a few people I could name that are better off dead. However, as far as Roberts, please quit and let’s put in a swing vote instead of this Right Wing Corporate Slant that is in there now.
God obviously works in mysterious ways. maybe God loves the USA more than 1 individual. I know I do. And Roberts is pro-death penalty, as I recall. ironic.
Hey, Robert Byrd thought he was the hand of God too, as he hung black men from trees!
Imagine you did the hardest workout of your life using every single muscle in your body. At the age of twenty or thirty it wouldn’t be that big of a deal and the day after tomorrow you would feel fine, at the age of fifty I feel sorry for the judge because I know that he is in for a week of really severe muscle pain and even scratching his nose will be a painful proposition. You don’t realize how many muscles it takes to stand up out of a chair until every single one of them hurts at the same time. And he probably has a whopping headache today. Other than that he will feel quite good mentally as there is an effect of clearing out the cobwebs in the brain from a seizure. As far as it affecting his thinking it is highly unlikely unless there is some underlying brain damage. He might have a temporary loss of some part of his memory for a couple of days but it will be inconsequential. For example I lose all of the phone numbers I have memorized for about three days after a seizure. Kind of an irritation for someone who works on the telephone, but I know where my phone list is so it is a more minor annoyance. As far as during the seizure itself he wouldn’t have felt a thing because it’s like having your lightswitch turned off abruptly.
The biggest problem with seizures is finding out that you frightened co-workers or friends or family who aren’t familiar with them.
To those who made disparaging comments, if you don’t like the man’s politics make comments on that, otherwise, until you have walked a mile in another man’s moccasins…………………
Oh, and I forgot my last point. We are pretty sure that mine were being caused by eating things with the spice nutmeg in them. So as long as I avoid bratwurst, curries, and the like, in theory I have had the last one I will ever have.
1st: did someone actually say they hope the seizure was the result of an “inoperable brain tumor”? really? you know what happens when you’re judged by the character of your worst specimen…
2nd: his previous seizure was in fact disclosed in this application.
3rd: are those that question roberts’ intellectual rigor for real? i guess asking them to take the blinders off would be too much.
‘thorough neurological evaluation, which revealed no cause for concern.
In other words “they looked at his brain and found nothing”. And honestly best of luck with that. I had a friend who had seizures all his adult life…nothing pretty about it.
July 30th, 2007 at 8:03 pmI’m disappointed in Roberts as Chief Justice so far, but I wish him no ill health.
July 30th, 2007 at 8:04 pmI hope its due to an inoperable brain tumor.
July 30th, 2007 at 8:05 pmIt won’t affect his work, since he’s not been known for using his brain.
July 30th, 2007 at 8:06 pmMaybe it was “DUHbya’s Almighty” telling him he had gone a little too far.
July 30th, 2007 at 8:08 pmEpilepsy is no laughing matter.
He had one before. This means, since it’s his second, that they might look toward medicine to control them.
There will definately be follow up EEG’s, Cat Scans and MRI’s.
This is far from over for him.
I just wish to stop any ill-wishing that went on in the Ted Stevens thread before it starts here.
Epilepsy sucks. No one deserves that.
July 30th, 2007 at 8:08 pmNo sense in wishing illness or death upon anyone unless you’re a televangelist. In fact, we probably should rally around Roberts, who, despite a record contradictory to his testimony (precedent anyone?) seems to be one of the least damaging Bush appointees.
July 30th, 2007 at 8:09 pmNo cause for concern? This guy is apparently healthy, has a SECOND unexplained seizure, suffers a fall wherein he could have been seriously injured — and there’s no cause for concern?
Please…..
July 30th, 2007 at 8:09 pmNo One Deserves To Die.
It’s not funny.
We should be wishing him well.
Aren’t we the party of Compassion?
July 30th, 2007 at 8:09 pmI did a little digging on this. Turns out, there’s no such thing as a “benign ideopathic seizure” in an adult. They only occur in children.
Kinda makes you wonder what’s really going on here, doesn’t it?
July 30th, 2007 at 8:10 pmRoberts has epilepsy, but he never told the Congress before he got confirmed. Americans will have to live with his seizures for 20 years.
July 30th, 2007 at 8:14 pmI will not wish him ill will. But I don’t particularly feel like wishing him good will. I find it very hard to waste my good will on a man who does not have good intentions in life and who has no soul. Roberts does not have good intentions in life. He is a corporatist and he shows no compassion for anything other than the almighty buck. He is also a religious zealot who has allowed his religious beliefs to cloud his judgment as a Supreme Court Justice.
July 30th, 2007 at 8:15 pm“Roberts has epilepsy, but he never told the Congress before he got confirmed. Americans will have to live with his seizures for 20 years.”
Add that to the other lies he told in his confirmation hearings and you don’t end up with someone with good moral character. I am still furious with the Democrats for not calling the Republicans bluff by filibustering Roberts and Alito. It actually would have worked out well for the Democrats if the Republicans had done away with the filibuster. Look how much easier life would be for the Democrats in Congress today without the Republican’s ability to filibuster everything they try to do.
July 30th, 2007 at 8:17 pmEpilepsy sucks. No one deserves that.
Comment by trueblue
Not even people that our destroying the United States?
July 30th, 2007 at 8:18 pmI don’t wish Roberts ill health; but, there is a thing known as paying for your sins. Perhaps, this is a partial payment.
July 30th, 2007 at 8:19 pm9. No One Deserves To Die.
Lets bring the troops home then.
July 30th, 2007 at 8:20 pm9. No One Deserves To Die.
Lets bring the troops home then.
Comment by Rick — July 30, 2007 @ 8:20 pm
I know trueblue would agree with that sentiment, 100%.
July 30th, 2007 at 8:23 pmBilbobaggins-
July 30th, 2007 at 8:27 pmPlease concisely list what you deem to be the lies he told the Committee. Name one. I find it a bit telling (save for Trueblue) that the “supposed” party of compassion is so shameful when a man suffers something such as CJ Roberts. I guess that shows that the left is no different than the right: both are filled with ignorant individuals that cannot think for themselves.
Not even people that our destroying the United States?
Comment by JPV
NO.
Do you believe in the death penalty?
Do you think he should suffer horribly, simply because he is narrow minded?
This came up on the dog fight thread, which I chose not to answer.
Every human life is special. Every human is capable of learning, and of change. Barry Goldwater changed his views drastically since he ran for President. Should he have been cut down because of what he once felt?
I thought we were people of compassion.
I thought we cared.
…………………………….I need to leave, before I get angry.
July 30th, 2007 at 8:27 pmNo matter his affliation, I still care.
I do want them home, Zooey, Rick.
I was only here after talking to you because I am a slow typer.
July 30th, 2007 at 8:29 pmIn launching his 21-day “prayer offensive” directed at the Supreme Court, Pat Robertson asks his viewers to help him pray for three justices’ death. “One justice is 83-years-old, another has cancer and another has a heart condition. Would it not be possible for God to put it in the minds of these three judges that the time has come to retire?”
Well, we see where a good deal of this hate prayer comes from. Anne Coulter wants to poison Judges. Oreilly hopes that San Francsico gets nuked. Falwell and Tammy Faye Baker recently passed on. Bush had polyps. Cheney a new ticker battery. Roberts a seizure. Anne Coulter wants to poison Judges.
I am a Christian, but I cannot for the life of me figure out why these people are so crazy with hate. I see a troll here today talking about Pat Tillmans headache.
July 30th, 2007 at 8:32 pmI thought we were people of compassion.
I thought we cared.
…………………………….I need to leave, before I get angry.
No matter his affliation, I still care.
Comment by trueblue — July 30, 2007 @ 8:27 pm
well, go ahead, but we are people of compassion, and we care deeply about our country and its future. Roberts doesn’t, and has proven it. Nobody wished he would have a seizure and fall, but God obviously works in mysterious ways. maybe God loves the USA more than 1 individual. I know I do. And Roberts is pro-death penalty, as I recall. ironic.
July 30th, 2007 at 8:33 pmI was just thinking…
July 30th, 2007 at 8:37 pmNow that we know Supreme Court Chief Justice Roberts has epilepsy, when can we expect Rush Limbaugh to mimic his seizures in front of his audience for laughs? Maybe even call him a faker? Just wondering.
well, go ahead, but we are people of compassion, and we care deeply about our country and its future. Roberts doesn’t, and has proven it. Nobody wished he would have a seizure and fall, but God obviously works in mysterious ways. maybe God loves the USA more than 1 individual. I know I do. And Roberts is pro-death penalty, as I recall. ironic.
Comment by ronjazz — July 30, 2007 @ 8:33 pm
Dude, a little compassion is all. I would think some of us might take a hint that epilepsy is a sensitive issue for trueblue.
July 30th, 2007 at 8:40 pmComment by ronjazz ————
GOD?
You think GOD wanted my daughter to get Epilepsy?
Well, maybe you’re right, because then I can spread the word about how AWFUL it is to wish anyone, ANYONE, such a disease.
It’s only been under control for a couple of years, but now she’s getting debilitating dizzy spells, so it’s more tests to see WTF is going on.
She cares about this country. Just today she pointed out that if GWB is so keen on looking for people with contacts to Osama bin Laden, then he himself should be locked up as an enemy combatant.
Wow. What a detriment to this country SHE is….
I’m sick of the hatred. There’s no need for it.
July 30th, 2007 at 8:42 pmAnd there was no need for your answer to me.
None.
Sorry, true.
July 30th, 2007 at 8:45 pmNo, you’re awesome, Zooey.
July 30th, 2007 at 8:45 pm“Please concisely list what you deem to be the lies he told the Committee. Name one. I find it a bit telling (save for Trueblue) that the “supposed†party of compassion is so shameful when a man suffers something such as CJ Roberts. I guess that shows that the left is no different than the right: both are filled with ignorant individuals that cannot think for themselves.
Comment by Spencer”
Well, let’s see. He said:
“John G. Roberts Jr. yesterday summed up his Senate hearings to become the nation’s 17th chief justice by declaring, “I’m not an ideologue,”
That turned out not to be true.
Even someone from your side of the fence thinks that Roberts lied in his confirmation hearing:
http://darryl-west.newsvine.com/_news/2007/07/28/864409-when-a-supreme-court-justices-lies-to-congress-is-it-a-crime
And, not telling Congress about a medical condition is a “lie of omission”.
Also, please tell me why I should show compassion to someone who has no compassion for anyone but himself, his fat cat friends and his corporations.
I’ll save my compassion for people who act in a compassionate way towards others.
July 30th, 2007 at 8:46 pmI’ll save my compassion for people who act in a compassionate way towards others.
Comment by bilbobaggins — July 30, 2007 @ 8:46 pm
Then have a little compassion for trueblue.
Ok?
July 30th, 2007 at 8:49 pm“Then have a little compassion for trueblue.
Ok?
Comment by Zooey”
Zooey, I’m confused. How did my post show a lack of compassion for trueblue?
July 30th, 2007 at 8:54 pmbilbobaggins,
See #25. It’s a hard subject for her.
July 30th, 2007 at 9:00 pmHi Zooey: Ok, I think I get where you are coming from. But I think you are overreacting somewhat. Just because we don’t feel compassion for John Roberts doesn’t mean we don’t feel compassion for trueblue. I did not say I wish Robert would die. I just said I find it hard to feel any compassion for him. I’ll save that compassion for the families of the women who will die because Roberts, who is NOT an ideologue according to him, voted to sustain the so-called partial birth abortion bill. Since abortion is not mentioned in the Constitution, his vote could only be seen as being based on his religious beliefs and that makes him an ideologue.
July 30th, 2007 at 9:01 pmAccording to CNN.Com., members of the Senate Judiciary Committee knew about his seizures during confirmation hearings.
His last one was 14 years ago.
Senator Specter said today:”We knew,but didn’t draw a heavy breath on it”.
July 30th, 2007 at 9:09 pmHe is suffering from ‘Benign Idiopathic Seizure’.
Bilbobaggins-
I’m still unconvinced. You also assume I’m from “the other side of the fence.” It would be more correct to say I’m reasonable, and not an ideologue, as you show yourself to be.
Please she me proof that Roberts is an ideologue. If he was an ideologue, wouldn’t he, Alito, Thomas, and Scalia always vote the same way? Unfortunately for your poorly conceived knee-jerk argument, those 4 justices do not always vote together.
You mention the Carhart II. Your argument about abortion is on a collision course with itself. Indeed, because abortion is not mentioned in the Constitution, couldn’t make a strong argument that Justice Blackmun and the other 6 justices that joined Roe are ideologues, as their votes only reflected their own personal moral or value choices? In fact, Justice Byron White was personally pro-choice, but did not agree with Blackmun’s reading of a substantive due process right to abortion in the 14th Amendment. Certainly one could not be intellectually honest and call Justice White’s dissent in Roe ideologically based.
Again, your arguments fail on substance. And that is what bothers me about the left and the right…neither side seems to discuss substance.
July 30th, 2007 at 9:13 pmTragic
July 30th, 2007 at 9:14 pmGreat healine from fark.com “Chief Justice John Roberts leans too far to the right, falls, gets taken to hospital”
July 30th, 2007 at 9:15 pmSpencer, two words…Federalist Society.
July 30th, 2007 at 9:15 pmtrueblue, Roberts is not epileptic.
July 30th, 2007 at 9:16 pmHe is suffering from ‘Benign Idiopathic Seizure’.
Comment by tarazan — July 30, 2007 @ 9:09 pm
Shit…I thought they said “Benign Idiotic Seizure”. Sorry folks, I couldn’t resist.
July 30th, 2007 at 9:17 pm“Dude, a little compassion is all. I would think some of us might take a hint that epilepsy is a sensitive issue for trueblue.”
I am a little light on compassion for Constitution shredding a-holes. Sorry.
July 30th, 2007 at 9:17 pmComment by bilbobaggins — July 30, 2007 @ 9:01 pm
I completely understand what you’re saying BB. I don’t disagree.
I just know it’s difficult for trueblue to hear people saying that God wished this on Roberts, or he got what he deserved.
July 30th, 2007 at 9:19 pm…makes you wonder how he’ll rule if a case for the potential for stem cell research EVER gets to HIS chambers.
July 30th, 2007 at 9:25 pmZoo, there is no indication he has epilepsy. Seizures are a symptom of epilepsy. Having 2 in 10 years certainly means he probably does not have it.
July 30th, 2007 at 9:25 pmZoo, there is no indication he has epilepsy. Seizures are a symptom of epilepsy. Having 2 in 10 years certainly means he probably does not have it.
Comment by JPark — July 30, 2007 @ 9:25 pm
I know that, JPark! It’s beside the point.
Maybe read the thread to see why trueblue might be upset at some of the comments.
July 30th, 2007 at 9:29 pmZoo, I get it. I am sensitive to motorcycles. I hate them. But Roberts deserves NO sympathy. He and his ilk are torturing, anti-democratic scum. Call me cold but I would not be unhappy if he shuffled off the mortal coil.
July 30th, 2007 at 9:37 pmJPark-
July 30th, 2007 at 9:37 pmFederalist Society? Honestly? Is that some kind of insult? Why does that matter anyways? By the way, I’m not a member of FedSoc. Isn’t it a bit disingenuous for Senator Schumer to so passionately criticize judicial nominees for being members of Federalist Society when he speaks, and is a part of, the American Constitution Society? That said, those invoking God as a means of criticizing Roberts are no better than the likes of Pat Robertson, Falwell, and any of those other wack jobs. I seriously doubt that Roberts’s seizure was manifestation of some kind of divine wrath, as that implies that those who suffer some sort of health problem is under the punishment of God. The logical application of that argument is that President Clinton was divinely when he suffered heart problems. The obvious answer is that did not happen. I’m sorry to see that people on the left are actually sinking to the level of Ann Coulter in wishing ill on CJ Roberts.
Um, Spencer, it wasn’t an insult, it was a description (which I guess you could take as an insult).
July 30th, 2007 at 9:38 pmRoberts practically denied membership in your Federalist Society. Why is that Spencer? I will answer. Because they are a fringe radical, anti-Constitutional group.
July 30th, 2007 at 9:42 pmI had “Petite Mall Epilepsy” as a child. I would go into fits of rage and hurt people and never remember doing so. I would black out. I was on medication until I was 16. Not a very good experience for any parties involed.
I haven’t had an episode since I was 16.
July 30th, 2007 at 9:46 pmwow i’m shocked at all the liberal hate on this site
July 30th, 2007 at 10:04 pmOh, crimedog. Go to LGF…or freeperland. But, wait, I am not sure any of them let their inbred mouthbreathers post. TP lets you and your ilk post here. Not sure that is wise. Contact with you lowers everybody’s IQ by 5…at least.
July 30th, 2007 at 10:09 pmI forget, you wouldn’t notice the hate since they hate the same people you do.
July 30th, 2007 at 10:10 pmOnly God has the control and even if Roberts is doing his job of dividing the US he will have to answer for his actions. Sometimes people will sell their souls to get to the top only to see they don’t have any control into when they leave this earth. I hope Roberts takes to heart what damage he’s done and will ask God for time to correct it.
July 30th, 2007 at 10:12 pmHis voice from God channel got stuck in the on position, nothing to worry about, bidness as uzual.
July 30th, 2007 at 10:13 pmSome of you people posting here are demented.
July 30th, 2007 at 10:32 pmSays Billie Joe Tolliver…cousin f^cker.
July 30th, 2007 at 10:52 pmThe fact that Roberts has had similar seizures twice already, and that neither time was the root cause identified, is itself a cause for concern, in my opinion.
But, hey, what do I know? I am just a member of the unwashed masses who should know by now to defer to their betters, if we are to believe Novak & Co.
July 30th, 2007 at 11:07 pmI am a Christian, but I cannot for the life of me figure out why these people are so crazy with hate. I see a troll here today talking about Pat Tillmans headache.
Comment by PI SCION — July 30, 2007 @ 8:32 pm
This thread and others show that both the left and right have hateful people who see nothing wrong with delighting in the suffering of others. Some people actually care more about getting what they want than the well being of people and still stridently call themselves compassionate. ;)
July 30th, 2007 at 11:25 pmTo hell with Roberts.
I am worried about Mike Malloy…. he is still sick – a chest cold of some sort and this will be week #2 of fill ins for his show.
I saw him on cable news a few months back- he was so pale and reminded me of one with leukemia.
July 30th, 2007 at 11:30 pm…says upright left…the guy that likes dead brown people.
July 30th, 2007 at 11:31 pm…says upright left…the guy that likes dead brown people.
Comment by JPark — July 30, 2007 @ 11:31 pm
Link? ;)
July 30th, 2007 at 11:32 pm#10
benign ideopathic =no one knows what the problem is and hopefully this term will trip up those questioning in order to not question for awhile.
July 30th, 2007 at 11:38 pmWhy do I need a link, upright? It is common knowledge. It would be like linking to a site saying 2+2=4.
July 30th, 2007 at 11:38 pmWhy do I need a link, upright? It is common knowledge. It would be like linking to a site saying 2+2=4.
Comment by JPark — July 30, 2007 @ 11:38 pm
I was tempted to respond in your kind of language, but I’ll keep it civil. In other words, you have no proof of the accusation that you made. ;)
July 30th, 2007 at 11:45 pmI cannot believe some of the hatred and bile I am reading on this post. You people truly are NAZIS.
July 30th, 2007 at 11:52 pmI hope Judge Roberts gets well, and I hope that his seizures cause an epiphany that leads him away from the dark side of the force.
July 31st, 2007 at 12:08 amI cannot believe some of the hatred and bile I am reading on this post. You people truly are NAZIS.
Comment by The Hateful Left — July 30, 2007 @ 11:52 pm
Wait till ya see the trolls’ posts about Pat Tillman’s headache.
July 31st, 2007 at 12:11 amI cannot believe some of the hatred and bile I am reading on this post. You people truly are NAZIS.
Comment by The Hateful Left
did a glance and do not see anything so horrid…suppose the right is hoping to find enough hatred here in order to justify more smearing? Isn’t that how it works?
July 31st, 2007 at 12:20 amI’ll save that compassion for the families of the women who will die because Roberts, who is NOT an ideologue according to him, voted to sustain the so-called partial birth abortion bill.
Comment by bilbobaggins — July 30, 2007 @ 9:01 pm
No women will die for lack of partial birth abortion. If you read the ruling, doctors can still inject the baby to kill it, then partially deliver it and smash its skull. Why does the baby need to be alive for the procedure? It seems more COMPASSIONATE not to make the baby suffer.
July 31st, 2007 at 12:26 amIsn’t that how it works?
Comment by had enough — July 31, 2007 @ 12:20 am
Clearly, he hasn’t seen the Pat Tillman posts by the trolls.
July 31st, 2007 at 12:26 amThe right did a good job exploiting partial birth abortion as if that is really performed routinely. Partial birth abortion was/is a procedure used in rare cases… never before belonged with ‘abortion’ until the frenzied Christian right terrorized the masses with it. Come on folks… wouldn’t it be obvious when this was done… 8 months pregnant today – gone tomarrow…How many know of someone that had a partial birth abortion? 0?
July 31st, 2007 at 12:43 amComment by had enough — July 31, 2007 @ 12:43 am
Doesn’t matter anyway, since it is still as available as ever. ;)
July 31st, 2007 at 12:46 amAt University my husband had a friend who suffered from epilepsy. He is the most brilliant and warmhearted person. (BTW he is an American) The moment of absolute loss of control during a seizure must be horrible to experience. If I imagine the horror and fear and afterwards the feeling of shame (because it happened in public and everybody stares) for something so very beyond your control…
If I think of it, Justice Roberts has my full sympathy. Let’s talk of his shortcomings in another context. For now, I wish him well.
trueblue, our friend had a PhD in chemistry at a very young age and then went back to the US to research epilepsy and study medicine. He was really brilliant. I am sure your daughter is a wonderful girl and while the sickness is a real burden the sickness doesn’t make her any less special. Blessings.
July 31st, 2007 at 3:01 amOkay folks “benign ideopathic seizures” are just that seizures that are “ideopathic”. “Ideopathic” is something a doctor or doctors can’t find the root cause of at a given time. Contrary to what the media was given no seizure is “benign”, since damage is done to the brain each time a seizure occurs. Yes, adults can have “ideopathic seizures”. I suffered from them for over twenty years, until a neurologist found a scar on my brain tissue that was causing my seizures.
July 31st, 2007 at 7:43 amMy seizures did not start until I was 31 and have continued, even with medication about once per year until the present.
Since CJ Roberts has had a second seizure the Commonwealth of Virginia will now require that he be medicated or forfeit his driving privileges. Let’s see how he likes the cost of Dilantin, Keppra, or Zonegran without an Insurance plan. The monthly cost of each of those drugs is over $600.00 each per prescription. I take two per month. Most neurologists will not allow a patient to take “generic” drugs, since they have not been proven. So you are stuck paying the full price for the drugs. I’ve never fallen, my seizures are more of a “zoning out”. For more information on epilepsy visit epilepsy.org
Brian Williams said it was “grand mal” seizure. Doesn’t that mean “big bad”?
July 31st, 2007 at 8:25 amWhether or not it’s OK to wish death upon a fellow American that whose politics some may disagree with should not even be a serious topic for discussion. Some of you cats need to take a step back and look in the mirror.
Many of you have family that don’t see eye to eye with you politically; do you wish death and illness upon them as well?
The level of hatred on these blogs is disgusting.
July 31st, 2007 at 8:26 amI am glad they let inbred mouthbreathers like jpark post here.
July 31st, 2007 at 8:42 am“grand-mal” seizures (aka tonic clonic) are the stereoptypical epilitic seizure. As opposed to petite mal, atonic, and partial.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:13 amAs for Roberts, fu(k him. The sooner he’s gone the better (though I guess he needs to wait util the new president is sworn in)
If Roberts had to have a seizure, at least he had the good sense to do it on the coast of Maine. The coast of Maine is lovely in the summer.
July 31st, 2007 at 10:03 amI just don’t care…
July 31st, 2007 at 10:04 amI will not wish him ill will. But I don’t particularly feel like wishing him good will. I find it very hard to waste my good will on a man who does not have good intentions in life and who has no soul
I couldn’t have said it better…
July 31st, 2007 at 10:08 amNo One Deserves To Die.
It’s not funny.
We should be wishing him well.
Aren’t we the party of Compassion?
Comment by trueblue — July 30, 2007 @ 8:09 pm
There are a few people I could name that are better off dead. However, as far as Roberts, please quit and let’s put in a swing vote instead of this Right Wing Corporate Slant that is in there now.
July 31st, 2007 at 10:38 am“We need somebody to put rat poisoning in Justice Stevens’ creme brulee,” Coulter said. “That’s just a joke, for you in the media.”
Talk about haters. Check out this ‘intelligent constitutional lawyers’ looney rant. Anne, ironically, also claims to be an adult AND a woman.
July 31st, 2007 at 11:06 amSpencer, two words…Federalist Society.
Comment by JPark — July 30, 2007 @ 9:15 pm
3 words: Ginsberg, ACLU, counsel.
July 31st, 2007 at 1:29 pmGod obviously works in mysterious ways. maybe God loves the USA more than 1 individual. I know I do. And Roberts is pro-death penalty, as I recall. ironic.
Hey, Robert Byrd thought he was the hand of God too, as he hung black men from trees!
July 31st, 2007 at 1:31 pmmmmmm…….karma….
July 31st, 2007 at 2:02 pmor his body is revolting at the revolting actions he’s taken over the last few years.
July 31st, 2007 at 2:03 pmImagine you did the hardest workout of your life using every single muscle in your body. At the age of twenty or thirty it wouldn’t be that big of a deal and the day after tomorrow you would feel fine, at the age of fifty I feel sorry for the judge because I know that he is in for a week of really severe muscle pain and even scratching his nose will be a painful proposition. You don’t realize how many muscles it takes to stand up out of a chair until every single one of them hurts at the same time. And he probably has a whopping headache today. Other than that he will feel quite good mentally as there is an effect of clearing out the cobwebs in the brain from a seizure. As far as it affecting his thinking it is highly unlikely unless there is some underlying brain damage. He might have a temporary loss of some part of his memory for a couple of days but it will be inconsequential. For example I lose all of the phone numbers I have memorized for about three days after a seizure. Kind of an irritation for someone who works on the telephone, but I know where my phone list is so it is a more minor annoyance. As far as during the seizure itself he wouldn’t have felt a thing because it’s like having your lightswitch turned off abruptly.
The biggest problem with seizures is finding out that you frightened co-workers or friends or family who aren’t familiar with them.
To those who made disparaging comments, if you don’t like the man’s politics make comments on that, otherwise, until you have walked a mile in another man’s moccasins…………………
Oh, and I forgot my last point. We are pretty sure that mine were being caused by eating things with the spice nutmeg in them. So as long as I avoid bratwurst, curries, and the like, in theory I have had the last one I will ever have.
July 31st, 2007 at 5:54 pm1st: did someone actually say they hope the seizure was the result of an “inoperable brain tumor”? really? you know what happens when you’re judged by the character of your worst specimen…
2nd: his previous seizure was in fact disclosed in this application.
3rd: are those that question roberts’ intellectual rigor for real? i guess asking them to take the blinders off would be too much.
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:00 pm