Comments on: Media Falsely Labels O’Hanlon And Pollack ‘Vocal Critics’ Of Bush Administration http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/30/media-ohanlon-pollack/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 04:53:43 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: For Freedom http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/30/media-ohanlon-pollack/comment-page-4/#comment-4032335 For Freedom Thu, 23 Aug 2007 18:33:12 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/30/media-ohanlon-pollack/#comment-4032335 There has been much propoganda in the media, it has affected every person who is in contact with it. trying to tell us what we should believe, who are the good guys and what they are fighting for is freedom. the USA is not the good guys on their new war. this is not something against the peple of the Country but the gov. The reason they are fighting in Iraq etc is because they must eliminate Islam and those who wish to spread the word. by making others think that the teachings of Islam are old and barbaric it moulds a persons thoughts. a war on terror? wake up! we must realise that we aren't in a dream world and people are dying because they are fighting for a glimmer of hope and so USA and other 'superpowers' will let them live free. the war must end. learn about what's really going on from sources not toxicated by propganda. a new pres in USA will bring no more good than Bush. why do you think there's so little news about afghanistan? America are catchin a hiding... let's unite against evil and build a better world There has been much propoganda in the media, it has affected every person who is in contact with it. trying to tell us what we should believe, who are the good guys and what they are fighting for is freedom. the USA is not the good guys on their new war. this is not something against the peple of the Country but the gov. The reason they are fighting in Iraq etc is because they must eliminate Islam and those who wish to spread the word. by making others think that the teachings of Islam are old and barbaric it moulds a persons thoughts. a war on terror? wake up! we must realise that we aren’t in a dream world and people are dying because they are fighting for a glimmer of hope and so USA and other ’superpowers’ will let them live free. the war must end. learn about what’s really going on from sources not toxicated by propganda. a new pres in USA will bring no more good than Bush. why do you think there’s so little news about afghanistan? America are catchin a hiding… let’s unite against evil and build a better world

]]> By: kellydot http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/30/media-ohanlon-pollack/comment-page-4/#comment-4017817 kellydot Fri, 17 Aug 2007 04:26:47 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/30/media-ohanlon-pollack/#comment-4017817 Zero has it. Zero in on the money. Zero has it. Zero in on the money.

]]> By: TripMaster Monkey http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/30/media-ohanlon-pollack/comment-page-4/#comment-4017219 TripMaster Monkey Fri, 17 Aug 2007 00:39:01 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/30/media-ohanlon-pollack/#comment-4017219 test test

]]> By: Dave Nalle http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/30/media-ohanlon-pollack/comment-page-4/#comment-3985117 Dave Nalle Sat, 04 Aug 2007 08:39:47 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/30/media-ohanlon-pollack/#comment-3985117 Pure partisan spinmongering. For a comprehensive debunking of this silly attempt at misdirection and ideological witchunting see this article http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/08/03/153834.php Dave Pure partisan spinmongering. For a comprehensive debunking of this silly attempt at misdirection and ideological witchunting see this article http://blogcritics.org/archives/2007/08/03/153834.php

Dave

]]> By: zero http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/30/media-ohanlon-pollack/comment-page-4/#comment-3982513 zero Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:06:26 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/30/media-ohanlon-pollack/#comment-3982513 O'Hanlon and Pollack are funded by Haim Saban of Saban Capital. Go here: saban.com. Many investments in Israel media groups. Just following the money. O’Hanlon and Pollack are funded by Haim Saban of Saban Capital. Go here: saban.com. Many investments in Israel media groups. Just following the money.

]]> By: Srekwah http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/30/media-ohanlon-pollack/comment-page-4/#comment-3980567 Srekwah Wed, 01 Aug 2007 17:01:24 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/30/media-ohanlon-pollack/#comment-3980567 Godamn Irackis, why wont they just lay down and accept their fate to live under a bunch of murdeous extremists? Do we have to surrender for them also just like the mighty left did on behalf of South Vietnam? I blame Bush. Godamn Irackis, why wont they just lay down and accept their fate to live under a bunch of murdeous extremists? Do we have to surrender for them also just like the mighty left did on behalf of South Vietnam? I blame Bush.

]]> By: Jim R http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/30/media-ohanlon-pollack/comment-page-4/#comment-3980032 Jim R Wed, 01 Aug 2007 10:27:46 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/30/media-ohanlon-pollack/#comment-3980032 Don't let good news go unpunished. Our party has too much invested in a loss in Iraq. Priorties, comrades! Don’t let good news go unpunished. Our party has too much invested in a loss in Iraq.

Priorties, comrades!

]]> By: Nazihunter http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/30/media-ohanlon-pollack/comment-page-4/#comment-3980030 Nazihunter Wed, 01 Aug 2007 08:17:16 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/30/media-ohanlon-pollack/#comment-3980030 Man, what a shit hole the USA has become! Man, what a shit hole the USA has become!

]]> By: upright left http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/30/media-ohanlon-pollack/comment-page-4/#comment-3979710 upright left Wed, 01 Aug 2007 04:15:06 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/30/media-ohanlon-pollack/#comment-3979710 I went to the RedState website and posted a question as to how any red blooded american could support a president who would authorise the seizure of property by anyone who voices a dissenting opinion about the war and all I got in return were insults. Comment by Thor — July 31, 2007 @ 8:36 am That's probably because you were wasting their time with that question. Nothing will be siezed simply for voicing dissent. Now supporting terrorists in any way is a different matter. Like the laws that allow seizure of property gained or used in drug crimes. But, you probably oppose those laws as well. ;) I went to the RedState website and posted a question as to how any red blooded american could support a president who would authorise the seizure of property by anyone who voices a dissenting opinion about the war and all I got in return were insults.
Comment by Thor — July 31, 2007 @ 8:36 am

That’s probably because you were wasting their time with that question. Nothing will be siezed simply for voicing dissent. Now supporting terrorists in any way is a different matter. Like the laws that allow seizure of property gained or used in drug crimes. But, you probably oppose those laws as well. ;)

]]> By: upright left http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/30/media-ohanlon-pollack/comment-page-4/#comment-3979702 upright left Wed, 01 Aug 2007 04:10:09 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/30/media-ohanlon-pollack/#comment-3979702 One second of googling would have shown he was in lockstep with Bush and Cheney the entire time. Comment by Brett — July 31, 2007 @ 3:42 pm Whoa! Buddy, you'll never be a politician. You have to learn to soften your lies a little bit. ;) One second of googling would have shown he was in lockstep with Bush and Cheney the entire time.
Comment by Brett — July 31, 2007 @ 3:42 pm

Whoa! Buddy, you’ll never be a politician. You have to learn to soften your lies a little bit. ;)

]]> By: Jordan http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/30/media-ohanlon-pollack/comment-page-4/#comment-3979298 Jordan Wed, 01 Aug 2007 00:22:16 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/30/media-ohanlon-pollack/#comment-3979298 "Think Progress" had to go all the way back to 2002 and 2003 to find these statements.. I guess O'Hanlon and Pollack took a 5 year vacation only to re-appear July 30, 2007 and hump Mr Bush's leg. You may disagree with the articles assessment that the war in Iraq is improving - May I ask, when did you last visit Iraq? These journalists have visited on numerous occasions, they've seen Iraq as it was, they've seen Iraq as it is. Who are you to dispute what they've seen? You sit on your arse reading articles and watching news, believing you've got the great plan ( not unlike those who represent you in congress ) you may think you're more qualified to comment than those feeling a sweltering heat of Iraq, breathing Iraqi air - you know - those people actually standing on Iraqi soil. But, you're not. “Think Progress” had to go all the way back to 2002 and 2003 to find these statements.. I guess O’Hanlon and Pollack took a 5 year vacation only to re-appear July 30, 2007 and hump Mr Bush’s leg.

You may disagree with the articles assessment that the war in Iraq is improving – May I ask, when did you last visit Iraq?

These journalists have visited on numerous occasions, they’ve seen Iraq as it was, they’ve seen Iraq as it is. Who are you to dispute what they’ve seen?

You sit on your arse reading articles and watching news, believing you’ve got the great plan ( not unlike those who represent you in congress ) you may think you’re more qualified to comment than those feeling a sweltering heat of Iraq, breathing Iraqi air – you know – those people actually standing on Iraqi soil. But, you’re not.

]]> By: victor darst http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/30/media-ohanlon-pollack/comment-page-4/#comment-3979176 victor darst Tue, 31 Jul 2007 23:14:34 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/30/media-ohanlon-pollack/#comment-3979176 With 160,000 American troops and over 200,000 Iraqi troops battling a thousand or so members of Al Qaida, I would hope that we are able to achieve some military success. It was a phony war in March 2003 and it is a phony war now. I will believe that the politicians are serious about the global war on terror when they do somehting about our southern border and reinstate the draft. We are now offering re-inlistment bonuses of 20,000 to 40,000 to avoid bringing back the draft. victor darst With 160,000 American troops and over 200,000 Iraqi troops battling a thousand or so members of Al Qaida, I would hope that we are able to achieve some military success.

It was a phony war in March 2003 and it is a phony war now. I will believe that the politicians are serious about the global war on terror when they do somehting about our southern border and reinstate the draft. We are now offering re-inlistment bonuses of 20,000 to 40,000 to avoid bringing back the draft.
victor darst

]]> By: EpicureanQuaker http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/30/media-ohanlon-pollack/comment-page-4/#comment-3978789 EpicureanQuaker Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:27:21 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/30/media-ohanlon-pollack/#comment-3978789 <blockquote>Looks like Think Progress isn’t giving us the entire story either… Comment by Chris — July 30, 2007 @ 5:39 pm There’s a detailed peice by Glenn Greenwald about these two on Salon.com today. http://www.salon.com/ opinion/ greenwald/ 2007/ 07/ 30/ brookings/ index.html</blockquote> Listen, I'd love to bash these two hacks more than anyone, but even that Salon article doesn't show these two writing a hagiography past early 2004. Seeing as how thorough GG usually is, I've got to say the lack of Iraq War love from O'Hanlon and Pollack past that date should abstain the duo from this particular sort of discredit. As for the veracity of their surge claims, however, I really can't say I agree with them.

Looks like Think Progress isn’t giving us the entire story either…

Comment by Chris — July 30, 2007 @ 5:39 pm

There’s a detailed peice by Glenn Greenwald about these two on Salon.com today.

http://www.salon.com/ opinion/ greenwald/ 2007/ 07/ 30/ brookings/ index.html

Listen, I’d love to bash these two hacks more than anyone, but even that Salon article doesn’t show these two writing a hagiography past early 2004. Seeing as how thorough GG usually is, I’ve got to say the lack of Iraq War love from O’Hanlon and Pollack past that date should abstain the duo from this particular sort of discredit. As for the veracity of their surge claims, however, I really can’t say I agree with them.

]]> By: Ravi G. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/30/media-ohanlon-pollack/comment-page-4/#comment-3978716 Ravi G. Tue, 31 Jul 2007 21:04:14 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/30/media-ohanlon-pollack/#comment-3978716 You are not refuting their main point: <em>they are critics of how Bush has handled the war, not the initial invasion</em>. This point "Bush has botched the occupation but...", is itself a cop-out and allows politicos to distance themselves just enough to sound like they are objective. <strong>Thinkprogress is muddling the claim -- which only piles more layers of disinformation to this whole stinking heap.</strong> You are not refuting their main point: they are critics of how Bush has handled the war, not the initial invasion.

This point “Bush has botched the occupation but…”, is itself a cop-out and allows politicos to distance themselves just enough to sound like they are objective.

Thinkprogress is muddling the claim — which only piles more layers of disinformation to this whole stinking heap.

]]> By: Brett http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/30/media-ohanlon-pollack/comment-page-4/#comment-3978438 Brett Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:42:03 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/30/media-ohanlon-pollack/#comment-3978438 CNN claims Pollack is "a vocal critic of the administration’s handling of the war."? Wow, does the mainstream media do any research beyond the text of the op-ed itself? One second of googling would have shown he was in lockstep with Bush and Cheney the entire time. To anyone who says that CNN is liberal biased, this is clear proof that their true bias is laziness. CNN claims Pollack is “a vocal critic of the administration’s handling of the war.”? Wow, does the mainstream media do any research beyond the text of the op-ed itself? One second of googling would have shown he was in lockstep with Bush and Cheney the entire time.

To anyone who says that CNN is liberal biased, this is clear proof that their true bias is laziness.

]]> By: Thor http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/30/media-ohanlon-pollack/comment-page-4/#comment-3977008 Thor Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:36:25 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/30/media-ohanlon-pollack/#comment-3977008 I went to the RedState website and posted a question as to how any red blooded american could support a president who would authorise the seizure of property by anyone who voices a dissenting opinion about the war and all I got in return were insults. No one redstater would even come close to answering that question. When I asked one more about what if Hillary would become president and do the same thing, they all started braying about how a sniper bullet would easily take her out. That is all you get when you try to confront these people with any intellectual debate.....insults and terrorist threats! I went to the RedState website and posted a question as to how any red blooded american could support a president who would authorise the seizure of property by anyone who voices a dissenting opinion about the war and all I got in return were insults. No one redstater would even come close to answering that question. When I asked one more about what if Hillary would become president and do the same thing, they all started braying about how a sniper bullet would easily take her out. That is all you get when you try to confront these people with any intellectual debate…..insults and terrorist threats!

]]> By: Josie Wales http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/30/media-ohanlon-pollack/comment-page-4/#comment-3976994 Josie Wales Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:07:58 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/30/media-ohanlon-pollack/#comment-3976994 I'd advise everyone who's interested and even those who aren't particularly, to research who Ken Pollack is. By my nearest estimation he's an agent of Israel (He's on record as bragging to an Israeli newpaper that he did assist in providing Israel with United States secrets but felt he did nothing wrong or illegal) who's been allowed to thrive in this country although he doesnt believe in or practice any of the precepts and premises of the ideals america is supposed to stand for. To Ken Pollack it is a perfectly natural development that United States should become a mechanized financial and military function of Tel Aviv, the likes of which can be conjured through viewing a movie such as Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome. For some reason the citizens of this country are supposed to genuflect before the elevated status of the neo-con and absorb through psychologic osmosis the emotional batterings of the last 6 years in the form of caring exclusively on a daily basis for varying middle eastern countrie's states of mayhem and security, while sacrificing any concern for our country tis of thee. It would seem there will never be an end of, or a resolve to the warring impulse because once a "enemy" real or imagined is neutralized they seek out another as through fighting has become such an entrenched tradition that to continue without bloodshed removes a vital element of their existence. Paranoia and murder is our assigment when we turn our backs on our culture and become a cat's paw for the dissatisfaction of those who dont believe in America and who live with a tradition of ancient europe and the middle east and the caste systems they employ in their culture. This is The United States of America ... Land of the free an home of the brave where citizens will not suffer religious persecution and government will not become involved and interfere with the right and administration of equal opportunity and equal protections. Being involved in the slaughter of remote cities and cultures is not in our job descriptioin and sets us up for the same fall that other empire builders have ultimately encountered, namely human blood sacrifice for economies and lavish enrichment of the elite that lead to confusing and bizarre consequences. We can choose to refuse this and care for our nation and it's development in realizing our ideals or we can become consumed into the same clap-trap ruination of former civilizations that self-destructed for what is now viewed as a curious patronage by societies that worshipped bloody murder. Brookings, ... Saban, they are distribution hubs of enslavement for this country where the deceptions and misinformations are developed, packaged, and broadcast from like thistle seed. Ken Pollack isnt a critic of the "war", his hope is to prolong it just a little longer and after that little longer a little bit more, then more. I wish the people of this country when approached with a knock at the door and a salesman's offerings could decline if what they have to sell is war and murder. I know I could do without even if it means doing for myself instead of the long way around by making Wall Street perk for someone else. I’d advise everyone who’s interested and even those who aren’t particularly, to research who Ken Pollack is. By my nearest estimation he’s an agent of Israel (He’s on record as bragging to an Israeli newpaper that he did assist in providing Israel with United States secrets but felt he did nothing wrong or illegal) who’s been allowed to thrive in this country although he doesnt believe in or practice any of the precepts and premises of the ideals america is supposed to stand for. To Ken Pollack it is a perfectly natural development that United States should become a mechanized financial and military function of Tel Aviv, the likes of which can be conjured through viewing a movie such as Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome. For some reason the citizens of this country are supposed to genuflect before the elevated status of the neo-con and absorb through psychologic osmosis the emotional batterings of the last 6 years in the form of caring exclusively on a daily basis for varying middle eastern countrie’s states of mayhem and security, while sacrificing any concern for our country tis of thee. It would seem there will never be an end of, or a resolve to the warring impulse because once a “enemy” real or imagined is neutralized they seek out another as through fighting has become such an entrenched tradition that to continue without bloodshed removes a vital element of their existence. Paranoia and murder is our assigment when we turn our backs on our culture and become a cat’s paw for the dissatisfaction of those who dont believe in America and who live with a tradition of ancient europe and the middle east and the caste systems they employ in their culture. This is The United States of America … Land of the free an home of the brave where citizens will not suffer religious persecution and government will not become involved and interfere with the right and administration of equal opportunity and equal protections. Being involved in the slaughter of remote cities and cultures is not in our job descriptioin and sets us up for the same fall that other empire builders have ultimately encountered, namely human blood sacrifice for economies and lavish enrichment of the elite that lead to confusing and bizarre consequences. We can choose to refuse this and care for our nation and it’s development in realizing our ideals or we can become consumed into the same clap-trap ruination of former civilizations that self-destructed for what is now viewed as a curious patronage by societies that worshipped bloody murder. Brookings, … Saban, they are distribution hubs of enslavement for this country where the deceptions and misinformations are developed, packaged, and broadcast from like thistle seed. Ken Pollack isnt a critic of the “war”, his hope is to prolong it just a little longer and after that little longer a little bit more, then more. I wish the people of this country when approached with a knock at the door and a salesman’s offerings could decline if what they have to sell is war and murder. I know I could do without even if it means doing for myself instead of the long way around by making Wall Street perk for someone else.

]]> By: Moonlight http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/30/media-ohanlon-pollack/comment-page-4/#comment-3976987 Moonlight Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:18:00 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/30/media-ohanlon-pollack/#comment-3976987 Fox News called O’Hanlon a “guy who’s been quite critical of this administration’s handling of the Iraq.” CNN called Pollack a “a vocal critic of the administration’s handling of the war.” Yeah right. These clowns have been so consistently pro-war they make Joe Lieberman look like Cindy Sheehan. Fox News called O’Hanlon a “guy who’s been quite critical of this administration’s handling of the Iraq.” CNN called Pollack a “a vocal critic of the administration’s handling of the war.”

Yeah right. These clowns have been so consistently pro-war they make Joe Lieberman look like Cindy Sheehan.

]]> By: Jose Chung http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/30/media-ohanlon-pollack/comment-page-4/#comment-3976969 Jose Chung Tue, 31 Jul 2007 08:28:46 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/30/media-ohanlon-pollack/#comment-3976969 Sour grapes.... Sour grapes….

]]> By: ipod http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/30/media-ohanlon-pollack/comment-page-4/#comment-3976953 ipod Tue, 31 Jul 2007 06:57:02 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/30/media-ohanlon-pollack/#comment-3976953 #170 toliver. lose what?? the occupation? - are you afraid of giving iraq back to the iraqis ? #170 toliver.
lose what?? the occupation? – are you afraid of giving iraq back to the iraqis
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