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REPORT: Putting U.S. Troop Casualty Statistics In Perspective

By Faiz on Jul 31st, 2007 at 11:29 pm

REPORT: Putting U.S. Troop Casualty Statistics In Perspective»

deathsAt least 73 U.S. troops are reported to have died in Iraq this past month. The numbers are a decline from the all-time highs of 108, 131, and 117 from the previous three months.

Media reports herald the statistics as encouraging and as demonstrating “steady progress” in Iraq. Lt. Gen. Raymond T. Odierno said that the lower death toll was a “positive sign.”

According to icasualties.org, at least 3,653 U.S. troops have died in the 53 months that the war has been going on — a per monthly rate of nearly 69 U.S. troop casualties. Thus, the current month’s total still exceeds the average monthly casualty rate of the entire war.

Moreover, 73 is also greater than the average monthly casualty rate of each of the first four years of the war. A look at the monthly U.S. casualty rates over each of these years:


YEAR          CASUALITY
RATE
2003 48.6 per month
2004 70.8 per month
2005 70.5 per month
2006 68.5 per month
2007 92.9 per month

Statistics compiled from icasualties.org

The AP notes that “the daily average for U.S. troop deaths in July was at least 2.35 — higher than the daily average of 2.25 last year, and remarkably consistent with average daily casualties in 2005, at 2.32, and 2004, at 2.33.”

While U.S. troop casualties have fallen, reports indicate Iraqi deaths are rising again in Baghdad to pre-surge levels.




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347 Responses to “REPORT: Putting U.S. Troop Casualty Statistics In Perspective”

  1. Jeremy Says:

    Hooray for confirmation bias.


  2. Egreggious, Esq. Says:

    I was wondering if it were possible that there might be a seasonal drop-off in casualties, that is, if warfare lagged because of the hot months of summer. Have previous Julys shown a lowering of casualties?

    Just curious.


  3. Mark @ News Corpse Says:

    Gee…I don’t think I saw the media report any of this information.

    Hmmm. Why do you think that is? Aren’t they supposed to inform the public or something like that?


  4. Egreggious, Esq. Says:

    Concerning my previous post,

    http://icasualties.org/oif/

    a brief look at the figures seems to support my hypothesis, in all but the first year of the War/Occupation.


  5. Juan C Says:

    Estimating progress in an occupied country by numbers of deaths of the invading forces. Brilliant.



  6. stopthecons Says:

    And, let’s not forget the countless thousands and thousands of Iraqis who’ve been killed. Whose only crime was being born an Iraqi.

    From what I’ve read, nearly 2 million have been killed since the wars and sanctions began back in 1991.

    Aggressive war was once punished as a war crime back at Nuremburg, and I believe that this aggressive war holds some very serious legal and moral implications for all those involved…

    Some thoughts on this:

    “Collateral Damage is Murder”
    http://www.populistamerica.com/collateral_damage_is_murder


  7. Chad Says:

    Well duh, of course casualty rates will increase! That only proves that the enemy is losing and he’s becoming more desperate! That’s what Bush once said so it must be true! Of course by that logic if casualty rates were to drop, that means we’re losing. Oh well.


  8. Bertrand Russell Says:

    Soccer people, soccer.


  9. xpress Says:

    This is the deadliest July in the war for US military. 74 US dead.

    July 06: 43 US dead.
    July 05: 54 US dead
    July 04: 54 US dead
    July 03: 48 US dead

    http://icasualties.org/oif/


  10. GoTFreedumb? Says:

    #8
    Chad — See#7 Above. this time, try to read the Entire COMMENT!


  11. Zooey Says:

    This makes me sick.

    Averaging the deaths of the troops by month? And the media finds a dip in deaths “encouraging?”

    I’m sure the families of all the dead — military and Iraqi — find this quite comforting.
    /sarc


  12. Jake D. Says:

    What was the “deadliest” July during the Civil War, WWI, WWII, Korea, or Vietnam?


  13. Egreggious, Esq. Says:

    This may be part of the reason the September date was seen as so important. BushCo knew that war casualties were bound to go down in the hot summer months, and that they would then be able to tout these figures as a sign of progress.

    I am reminded that during the American Revolution, fighting pretty much came to a stop during the harsh winter months (and thus the famous Valley Forge encampment).


  14. Jake D. Says:

    Egreggious, Esq.:

    I’m reminded of noted historian, McCollough, who opined that we would never have won that American Revolution had today’s media been reporting back then.


  15. William B. Jenaen Says:

    Using decreased death rates of troops to substantiate success in Iraq is sick and, frankly, irresponsible. Forgetting for a moment that one death is too many in this stupid, avoidable war, there are a variety of factors that one would would need to know to give the statistic meaning. How freequently are troops exposed to attacks? Where are they patrolling? How does July compare to other months?

    It just seems to me that the con job of this Administration will be to claim improvement in September and then ask for more time.


  16. bilbobaggins Says:

    I heard something on Countdown tonight that made me furious. There is some Democrat who is kind of like the “den mother” and he was quoted as saying that if Petrayus comes back in September with good news on Iraq, that the Democrats would lose support for withdrawal from some of the moderate Democrats. So, they are going to believe anything that Betrayus says, no matter of the reality of the situation. What is wrong with those “Democrats”. What is wrong with our country? Have we all gone bat shit insane?


  17. Egreggious, Esq. Says:

    Comment by bilbobaggins — July 31, 2007 @ 11:59 pm

    I suppose there’s no chance Betrayus’s news could be so good that we could start withdrawal immediately?


  18. GSD Says:

    Also, wasn’t the point of the surge supposed to be to make life better for the Iraqis?

    The Iraqi civilian and military deathtoll increased between June and July.

    The surge is supposed to make the two years left of the Bush Permanant Occupation sustainable with the American public.

    The Iraqi people don’t figure in to the mix.

    Dishonesty reigns supreme.

    -GSD


  19. Zooey Says:

    What was the “deadliest” July during the Civil War, WWI, WWII, Korea, or Vietnam?
    Comment by Jake D. — July 31, 2007 @ 11:52 pm

    Use “the Google” and find out for yourself.


  20. Jake D. Says:

    Too bad Pelosi took impeachment “off the table” and the Dems don’t even have the votes to de-fund the war.


  21. Jake D. Says:

    For the record, I already know the total U.S. casualties lost in each of those conflicts — I doubt mainstream media ever compared MONTHLY totals though, before Viet Nam at least.


  22. Zooey Says:

    What is wrong with those “Democrats”. What is wrong with our country? Have we all gone bat shit insane?
    Comment by bilbobaggins — July 31, 2007 @ 11:59 pm

    They have no spine when it’s important — like the Republicans.

    We need a clean sweep of Congress — vote out all the incumbents.


  23. Jake D. Says:

    GSD:

    As it should be, for the AMERICAN President, collateral damage is not as important as winning the war.


  24. Zooey Says:

    Comment by Jake D. — August 1, 2007 @ 12:06 am

    So stop the passive/aggressive crap already.

    For the record, I’m on your Ignore List, so no responding to me — even just for the record (whatever the hell that might be).


  25. Jake D. Says:

    RUN, CINDY, RUN!!!


  26. Jake D. Says:

    Anyone else beside Zooey want to discuss the topic?


  27. Zooey Says:

    As it should be, for the AMERICAN President, collateral damage is not as important as winning the war.
    Comment by Jake D. — August 1, 2007 @ 12:08 am

    I’d forgotten how bloodthirsty you are. Thanks for reminding me.

    Freeze out the Jake troll.


  28. Egreggious, Esq. Says:

    We need a clean sweep of Congress — vote out all the incumbents.

    Comment by Zooey — August 1, 2007 @ 12:07 am

    I guess I’m not the only one in a sour mood tonight.


  29. Egreggious, Esq. Says:

    The Iraqi civilian and military deathtoll increased between June and July.

    Comment by GSD — August 1, 2007 @ 12:03 am

    Hey, you’re messing with my theory! :-)


  30. Lee J. Cobb Says:

    What is wrong with those “Democrats”. What is wrong with our country? Have we all gone bat shit insane?
    Comment by bilbobaggins

    Look up CFR and see how many dems. are on the members lists. News media, politicians, CEOs of defence contractors, Carlyle Group. These are the people that intend for us to go down this set path.


  31. Jake D. Says:

    Somebody needs to watch “The West Wing” episode, written by Shroom “Bloodthirsty” Sorkin, that answers the question Why is an American life “worth more” than a foreigner’s life?


  32. Egreggious, Esq. Says:

    Lee,

    I want the people to have this country back.


  33. Lee J. Cobb Says:

    Lee,

    I want the people to have this country back.

    Comment by Egreggious, Esq.

    since 1866, corporations are people Egg. And they have the country now.


  34. Lee J. Cobb Says:

    corporations vote with their checkbooks and they influence us with their newspapers and news agencies like Fox and CNN.


  35. Jake D. Says:

    Here it is: “Inauguration Part 1″

    President Bartlet wonders “Why is a Kuhndunese life worth less to me than an American life?” Bailey replies: “I don’t know, sir, but it is.”


  36. Jake D. Says:

    THANK GOD FOR CORPORATIONS!!!!!


  37. Egreggious, Esq. Says:

    since 1866, corporations are people Egg. And they have the country now.

    Comment by Lee J. Cobb — August 1, 2007 @ 12:17 am

    Well, as long as corporations are people, I guess that’s OK then.


  38. The Republic of Stupidity Says:

    What was the “deadliest” July during the Civil War, WWI, WWII, Korea, or Vietnam?

    Comment by Jake D. — July 31, 2007 @ 11:52 pm

    Totally dishonest comparision. Ignore!!! Ignore!!!


  39. Lee J. Cobb Says:

    CFR website has a great deal of information about Globalization and even a report on the pending worsening of the US ecconomic model for the average citizen, and ways to spin the growing disent about it to make people think faster globalization is the way to fix it.


  40. Lee J. Cobb Says:

    CFR is behind the AMERO, and the SPP. Check out there map of where the most educated students are in the field of geo-petrolium studies…
    in north america, its Mexico.


  41. Zooey Says:

    I guess I’m not the only one in a sour mood tonight.
    Comment by Egreggious, Esq. — August 1, 2007 @ 12:11 am

    I get cranky about the state of this country, and the dead and injured troops — and countless Iraqis.

    The troll doesn’t help.


  42. Zooey Says:

    Totally dishonest comparision. Ignore!!! Ignore!!!
    Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — August 1, 2007 @ 12:21 am

    See #27. Oy…. :)


  43. Egreggious, Esq. Says:

    CFR = Council on Foreign Relations?


  44. Egreggious, Esq. Says:

    The troll doesn’t help.

    Comment by Zooey — August 1, 2007 @ 12:24 am

    I’ve always thought that having a clown at a funeral was in bad taste.


  45. Zooey Says:

    I’ve always thought that having a clown at a funeral was in bad taste.
    Comment by Egreggious, Esq. — August 1, 2007 @ 12:27 am

    Especially a Death’s Head Clown. Ugh. I hate clowns….


  46. had enough Says:

    the count by the DOD most likely is correct, that is the number of deaths ON Iraqi soil. We hear the numbers and mentally add this up to the previous number. BUT what about those who have died while in transit to or after arriving to the hospital? You never hear of them or see it added to the DOD number. They do not count? Another sham by our DOD?


  47. Lee J. Cobb Says:

    CFR = Council on Foreign Relations?

    Comment by Egreggious, Esq.

    yes. i would be posting links, but the site is down until 12:30 eastern. 1 minute left. I will link you to the “New Deal for Globalization”


  48. Egreggious, Esq. Says:

    I suppose it might be OK if it was a clown’s funeral.


  49. Egreggious, Esq. Says:

    i would be posting links, but the site is down until 12:30 eastern.

    Comment by Lee J. Cobb — August 1, 2007 @ 12:29 am

    I noticed.


  50. Egreggious, Esq. Says:

    I suppose it might be OK if it was a clown’s funeral.

    Comment by Egreggious, Esq. — August 1, 2007 @ 12:29 am

    Don’t look for any deep hidden meaning there.


  51. kelso Says:

    Somebody needs to watch “The West Wing” episode..blah blah blah
    —————————–
    Well SOMEBODY needs to pick up a book and quit watching so much TV. This somebody is Jake D.ipshite.


  52. Marie Says:

    Didn’t Tony Snowjob say it’s only a number?


  53. Philonous Says:

    Hey, didn’t someone mention this on a different thread, but without all the negative spin?


  54. Egreggious, Esq. Says:

    Lee,

    I think I’m going to call it a night.

    If you want to leave some links for me here, I’ll check them out tomorrow.

    Goodnight, all.


  55. Jake D. Says:

    Even without Martin Sheen, I would have known an American life is worth more than an Iraqi life . . .


  56. Egreggious, Esq. Says:

    Hey, didn’t someone mention this on a different thread, but without all the negative spin?

    Comment by Philonous — August 1, 2007 @ 12:33 am

    I think you’re right. The spin on the deaths was very positive, if I remember correctly.


  57. Jake D. Says:

    Goodnight, Egreggious, Esq.


  58. Lee J. Cobb Says:

    I noticed.

    Comment by Egreggious, Esq.

    It’s a long essay that admits since 2000 the “real money” numbers for average american workers has dropped to pre 1920 numbers.

    This, he says, is causing a rise in the “protectionist” movement; ending NAFTA, GATT and others.

    He suggest various ways to fix it by convincing americans that more free trade and less regulation is the way to go.

    If you want it, I will email it to you as a word file. It is a very interesting look into the midset of these people.


  59. Zooey Says:

    Comment by had enough — August 1, 2007 @ 12:28 am

    I wonder if someone would blow the whistle on the true death count, and if it would be high enough to motivate the masses?


  60. Egreggious, Esq. Says:

    You did good today, P.


  61. Zooey Says:

    Goodnight, Egg!


  62. sponson Says:

    Kudos for ignoring the J-troll who Shall not Be Named, TP’ers. Now add mr. Egreggious to the list.


  63. Zooey Says:

    Hey, didn’t someone mention this on a different thread, but without all the negative spin?
    Comment by Philonous — August 1, 2007 @ 12:33 am

    How does “positive spin” on all this death happen — exactly?


  64. Egreggious, Esq. Says:

    If you want it, I will email it to you as a word file. It is a very interesting look into the midset of these people.

    Comment by Lee J. Cobb — August 1, 2007 @ 12:36 am

    If it’s not too heavy on the economics, that would be cool.

    Economics makes my elbows itch.


  65. Zooey Says:

    Kudos for ignoring the J-troll who Shall not Be Named, TP’ers. Now add mr. Egreggious to the list.
    Comment by sponson — August 1, 2007 @ 12:38 am

    That ain’t happening.


  66. Lee J. Cobb Says:

    Economics makes my elbows itch.

    Comment by Egreggious, Esq.

    It’s more theory and spin than anything else. I’ll zap it and some links.


  67. Egreggious, Esq. Says:

    I wonder if someone would blow the whistle on the true death count, and if it would be high enough to motivate the masses?

    Comment by Zooey — August 1, 2007 @ 12:36 am

    You can bet everything possible is done to make those figures as low as possible.


  68. Marie Says:

    If only one soldier dies, isn’t that more than just a statistic for his family?
    It’s ridiculous to compare body counts in certain months, years, wars, etc., to make a point. The pentagon, the DOD, and the media all would like to point to numbers as telling a tale of progress — well, I doubt that is of great comfort to loved ones.
    It is more a macabre version of childhood mentality — mine is bigger and/or better than yours.
    Besides, having Odierno as spokesman, second to Petraeus is a dubious distinction.


  69. Egreggious, Esq. Says:

    Goodnight again!


  70. Lee J. Cobb Says:

    You dropped a title or two. glad you kept Esq.


  71. Jake D. Says:

    Goodnight, John Boy.


  72. Jake D. Says:

    I was taught it rude to include “Esq.” as one’s own title.


  73. Dr. Dog Says:

    Trying to use the deaths for political gain.


  74. upright left Says:

    Gee…I don’t think I saw the media report any of this information.

    Hmmm. Why do you think that is? Aren’t they supposed to inform the public or something like that?

    Comment by Mark @ News Corpse — July 31, 2007 @ 11:33 pm

    Maybe they are waiting, hoping that the decrease isn’t an anomaly rather than immediately seeking a way to make fewer American deaths seem like a bad thing. ;)


  75. Lee J. Cobb Says:

    I wonder if someone would blow the whistle on the true death count, and if it would be high enough to motivate the masses?

    Comment by Zooey

    The masses that still support this administration will always justify deaths and lost money and coruption on “the war on terror”.

    There is only one way to end their support of this President and stop this war.


  76. Dr. Dog Says:

    “U.S. troop casualties have fallen”

    The surge is working, as reported yesterday by CNN, CBS, Fox News, The New York Times and ABC news.


  77. Jake D. Says:

    Amen, Dr. Dog!!!


  78. Zooey Says:

    There is only one way to end their support of this President and stop this war.
    Comment by Lee J. Cobb — August 1, 2007 @ 12:44 am

    I thought that might be a pretty big “if.”


  79. Jake D. Says:

    Assassination, Lee J. Cobb?


  80. Ralph Says:

    “I get cranky about the state of this country, and the dead and injured troops — and countless Iraqis.”

    You know no friends or relatives who are serving in Iraq. You have no say in the matter.


  81. Zooey Says:

    Freeze out the Jake troll and the Dr Dog troll.


  82. Jake D. Says:

    ECHO CHAMBER HERE WE COME!!!


  83. Dr. Dog Says:

    Great job rebutting these left wingers, Jake. We must rebut everything they say so nobody will think our silence is a verication of the accurarcy of their bogus allegations.


  84. Lee J. Cobb Says:

    If you want to end the last 26%ers blind faith in this administration, you have to prove to them that there is no “war on terror”.

    You have to reopen investigation into 9/11. Once these diehards know what happened and that there is no-one lurking in caves keeping the most awesome war machine in history at bay, then they will help to sweep this administration out before Nov. ‘08


  85. Philonous Says:

    And the media finds a dip in deaths “encouraging?” -Zo

    You do realize that “a dip in deaths” means less Soldiers were died, right?


  86. Zooey Says:

    You know no friends or relatives who are serving in Iraq. You have no say in the matter.
    Comment by Ralph — August 1, 2007 @ 12:47 am

    You know that, huh? How would you know?

    Liar.


  87. Martha Stewart Says:

    Has anyone heard from Craig L. lately?


  88. G Whiz Says:

    And I’ll bet not one of the dead is a neo-con or a relative of a neo-con.

    They only send others to their deaths, in the names of oil and wealth.

    How long will we oblige them? What’s it going to take to say NO MORE?


  89. Jake D. Says:

    Thanks, D-Dog!!!


  90. Dr. Dog Says:

    Freeze out Zooey. He doesn’t like different opinions.


  91. Dr. Dog Says:

    Prove you know somebody in Iraq, Zooey. Either a friend or a relative.


  92. Philonous Says:

    There is only one way to end their support of this President and stop this war.

    Comment by Lee J. Cobb — August 1, 2007 @ 12:44 am
    ————————————————————————————
    You would make Lenin proud!


  93. Zooey Says:

    You do realize that “a dip in deaths” means less Soldiers were died, right?
    Comment by Philonous — August 1, 2007 @ 12:49 am

    You do realize that 73 soldiers died, right? Why are you celebrating that?


  94. Jake D. Says:

    She.


  95. Philonous Says:

    Comment by G Whiz — August 1, 2007 @ 12:49 am

    neocons don’t exist!

    If you think that they do, PROVE IT!

    You got nothin’


  96. Martha Stewart Says:

    Zooey, do you know if Craig L. has been re-deployed yet?


  97. Zooey Says:

    Prove you know somebody in Iraq, Zooey. Either a friend or a relative.
    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 1, 2007 @ 12:50 am

    Exactly how would I go about that, dingleberry?
    And how would you prove I don’t?


  98. Ralph Says:

    Assassination, Lee J. Cobb?

    Comment by Jake D.

    There was another thread where one of the left wingers here wished the death upon the Chief Justice of the United States. They are sick whackos and they need to be confronted.


  99. Philonous Says:

    You did good today, P.

    Comment by Egreggious, Esq.
    —————-
    Well thanks, Egreg.
    See ya later.


  100. Martha Stewart Says:

    I haven’t heard from Tired of Fighting in a while either.


  101. Zooey Says:

    Zooey, do you know if Craig L. has been re-deployed yet?
    Comment by Martha Stewart — August 1, 2007 @ 12:51 am

    Do you mean Chris L? I don’t know either way. Sorry, dear.


  102. Ralph Says:

    There is only one way to end their support of this President and stop this war.

    Comment by Lee J. Cobb

    How do you intend to stop it, stupid? You don’t have the votes.


  103. Martha Stewart Says:

    I’m sorry, it is Chris L. I’m still too new here. Too many names.


  104. Zooey Says:

    I haven’t heard from Tired of Fighting in a while either.
    Comment by Martha Stewart — August 1, 2007 @ 12:52 am

    That’s true. Was he going back, as well?


  105. Ralph Says:

    You do realize that 73 soldiers died, right? Why are you celebrating that?

    Comment by Zooey

    What were their names? What were they like? What did they mean to their families?

    You are just using the number for political gain. You don’t give a shhit about them.


  106. Philonous Says:

    You do realize that 73 soldiers died, right? Why are you celebrating that?
    Comment by Zooey — August 1, 2007 @ 12:50 am
    ——————————
    Well, like any normal person, I am not celebrating the fact that soldiers died. I am merely saying that it is a good sign that the number of deaths has decreased.


  107. Lee J. Cobb Says:

    FEMA Report is contradicted by 9/11 Commission Report

    9/11 Commission Report is contradicted by NIST

    NIST is contradicted by UL studies and models

    “Why the Towers Fell” by PBS with NOVA animation leaves the core

    Popular Mechanics is owned by Hearst Corp (Remember the Maine?)
    and there report is more scientificly flawed than the FEMA.


  108. Martha Stewart Says:

    That’s true. Was he going back, as well?

    Comment by Zooey — August 1, 2007 @ 12:54 am

    Yes. That’s got to be tough, him having lost his best friend over there and all.


  109. W.Clements Says:

    This little chart should be sent to every newspaper in every town and city in America. Why isn’t such a simple chart as this more readily available to the American public at large? So simple and yet, so powerful!

    And what is the relationship of these statistics to this notion prevalent these days of “progress” in Iraq?

    Does more death equal more progress? Hmmm.


  110. Philonous Says:

    Egregg, I thought you were turning in for the night?


  111. Ralph Says:

    Exactly how would I go about that, dingleberry?
    And how would you prove I don’t?

    Comment by Zooey

    What is their name and where do they serve?


  112. Zooey Says:

    Well, like any normal person, I am not celebrating the fact that soldiers died. I am merely saying that it is a good sign that the number of deaths has decreased.
    Comment by Philonous — August 1, 2007 @ 12:55 am

    It probably doesn’t feel that way to their families.


  113. Marie Says:

    Gear up, folks. The plan is made and the play has begun.
    The surge will be given a rating of at least a B+ by September, if not an A. The media will duly note all the rosy reports from the military spokesmen, the Pentagon will find any way to report statistics that support their case and finally, the savior, Petraeus, will make his pronouncement, the Repugs will genuflect, the Dems will bow down, Bush will beatify him and the war will go on.


  114. Lee J. Cobb Says:

    I haven’t heard from Tired of Fighting in a while either.
    Comment by Martha Stewart

    I thought he said something about going back in Aug.


  115. Martha Stewart Says:

    Zooey, I forgot to ask you if you actually looked at that tribute video to my cousin. I can give you the link again if you like.


  116. Zooey Says:

    Yes. That’s got to be tough, him having lost his best friend over there and all.
    Comment by Martha Stewart — August 1, 2007 @ 12:55 am

    He very well may lose more friends.

    Sgt Higgins and hacker bob both anticipate having to go back, as well.


  117. Dr. Dog Says:

    Egregg, I thought you were turning in for the night?

    Comment by Philonous

    Liberals lie.


  118. Dr. Dog Says:

    “Petraeus, will make his pronouncement, the Repugs will genuflect, the Dems will bow down, Bush will beatify him and the war will go on.”

    The Republicans are going to retake the congress in 2008.


  119. Zooey Says:

    Zooey, I forgot to ask you if you actually looked at that tribute video to my cousin. I can give you the link again if you like.
    Comment by Martha Stewart — August 1, 2007 @ 12:57 am

    I didn’t look at it the other night, I wasn’t in the right frame of mind. If you post the link again, I’ll look at it tomorrow morning. Zoo Jr wants to get online in a few minutes.


  120. Martha Stewart Says:

    I don’t think I’ve really met hacker bob. Sarge is cool though. I really respect him. He has enough worries at home without having to go back.


  121. Ralph Says:

    Liberals lie.

    Comment by Dr. Dog

    Like a rug.


  122. Martha Stewart Says:

    Well, I better call it a night too, Zooey. I’ll post the link here in a second so you can find it tomorrow, if you want.


  123. Zooey Says:

    What is their name and where do they serve?
    Comment by Ralph — August 1, 2007 @ 12:56 am

    Yeah, right. I’m posting names. Not.

    My cousin — serving in Iraq.
    Friends — serving in Iraq.
    My boss’s son — dead in Iraq.


  124. Tired Of Fighting Says:

    You know what, I have just about had it with all who try to make it seem that because ONLY 73 Soldiers and Marines were killed this month that somehow that justifies progress. Suppose ONLY 20 students were killed every month at some university in this country every month as opposed to the 32 that were murdered at VA. Tech, WOULD THAT BE PROGRESS.

    Those 73 Soldiers and Marines were Mothers, Fathers, Sisters, Brothers, Aunts, Uncles, Nieces, Nephews, Cousins, Wifes, Husbands, Friends, and fellow warfighters of mine, and for some elite ass chicken-hawks to spend a week in an area that has been swept before they entered and claim all is well is total BS.

    I AM TIRED of all who continue to accept any and everything that is being told to you by people who dont have the guts to put their and their loved ones lives on line for this war, but will try to find SOMETHING to justify their F-ups over the past going on 5 years. Anything that can be spun into something positive is seen as progress, haven’t we beeen hearing this garbage for too long now?

    After awhile if you say the sun is gonna come out here in the Seattle-Tacoma (Fort Lewis) area after months of rain it eventually will happen so does that mean that thats progress and did people have to stay and die until you got that right?

    Are we that irrelevant to you that ONLY 73 dying is a good thing? Are you so removed by the war because you have noone in the region that ONLY 73 is good news? Do you support the war and its mis-handlers so much over the ones that are fighting, surviving, and dying in it that its a good thing that ONLY 73 of us managed to get ourselfs killed this month instead of the USUAL hundred and some change? Are you that de-sensitized by death because its not gonna be knocking at your door in a Military uniform that you just dont give a F@$# as long as your party wins and your taxes stay low?

    The next time a gunman goes into a school or mall or restaurant and shoots and kills scores of people in an area where your children or loved ones are, while your driving, walking, running, hysterically to the scene, think of the ONLY 73 families who will be getting them phone calls this month, and the month after that, and the month after that, and the month after that, and the month after that, and the month after that……………………………..

    RIP
    SGT Stephen R Sherman
    C CO 1-5 IN (STYRKER)
    KIA 3 Feb 2005
    Mosul, Iraq

    ONLY the 1,462nd Soldier to die in Iraq


  125. GoTFreedumb? Says:

    T.P.!!!!!!!!!!
    YOU DEFINITELY NEED YOUR OLD BLOGGERS BACK!
    RYAN NEAT,UNCLE HO, TRUEBLUE, TODD, UNBELIEVABLE, .WHAT HAPPENED T.P.?


  126. Philonous Says:

    It probably doesn’t feel that way to their families.

    Comment by Zooey — August 1, 2007 @ 12:56 am
    —————
    I didn’t say anything about feelings. I said that it is a good sign that less soldiers had died. That statement does not trivialize those who were killed.



  127. Zooey Says:

    Well, I better call it a night too, Zooey. I’ll post the link here in a second so you can find it tomorrow, if you want.
    Comment by Martha Stewart — August 1, 2007 @ 1:00 am

    Thanks Martha, I’ll bookmark it.

    Goodnight!


  128. katy Says:

    zooey, all - check out what i posted on the specter thread
    let me know what you think…

    i’m off to bed now…
    g’nite all…


  129. Dr. Dog Says:

    Conservatives:

    Every post in these threads needs to be rebutted. Liberals are liars. If we don’t respond people will think their false accuations are true. Confront the liberals, 24/7!!!! On every thread!!!


  130. Lee J. Cobb Says:

    Hi tired of Fighting. We were just talking about you.


  131. Egreggious, Esq. Says:

    Hey, Tired of Fighting.

    You’re a good Soldier.

    Always there when we really need you.


  132. Zooey Says:

    Comment by katy — August 1, 2007 @ 1:02 am

    Bookmarked. I’ll read it in the morning. Thanks!


  133. GoTFreedumb? Says:

    #

    I haven’t heard from Tired of Fighting in a while either.

    Comment by Martha Stewart — August 1, 2007 @ 12:52 am
    Hes BACK!
    Comment by Tired Of Fighting — August 1, 2007 @ 1:01 am


  134. Zooey Says:

    Here it is, Zooey.
    Comment by Martha Stewart — August 1, 2007 @ 1:02 am

    Got it, thanks!


  135. Zooey Says:

    I didn’t say anything about feelings. I said that it is a good sign that less soldiers had died. That statement does not trivialize those who were killed.
    Comment by Philonous — August 1, 2007 @ 1:01 am

    See #122.


  136. Lee J. Cobb Says:

    The only way to end this conflict and bring these soldiers home is to reopen the investigation into 9/11 and indict Cheney and Rumsfeld for premeditated murder of 2,700+ US citizens.


  137. GoTFreedumb? Says:

    Gnite


  138. Tired Of Fighting Says:

    Good evening to you Lee and always to you Egreggious.

    RIP
    SGT Stephen R Sherman
    C CO 1-5 IN (STYRKER)
    KIA 3 Feb 2005
    Mosul, Iraq


  139. Philonous Says:

    See #122.

    Comment by Zooey — August 1, 2007 @ 1:06 am
    ———
    I’ve seen it.


  140. katy Says:

    wow… talk about timing…

    very profound, tired of fighting…
    heart breaking…

    take care of yourself…
    .


  141. Zooey Says:

    Comment by Tired Of Fighting — August 1, 2007 @ 1:01 am

    Thank you, ToF.

    You have a great way of putting things in perspective — for people with souls.

    Goodnight.


  142. Dr. Dog Says:

    Families of military dead do not find it comforting that you are using the name of their loved one for political gain, especially if they don’t believe in your cause.


  143. Egreggious, Esq. Says:

    Tired of Fighting is my hero.

    I don’t mean that in a cheesy way.


  144. RUCerious Says:

    Even one death is one too many.
    No lives should have been sacrificed on the altar of chympego.


  145. Dr. Dog Says:

    You don’t care about who has died, Rucerious, you only care about your narrow agenda.


  146. Lee J. Cobb Says:

    Families of military dead do not find it comforting that you are using the name of their loved one for political gain, especially if they don’t believe in your cause.

    Comment by Dr. Dog

    only dimwhitted sympathizer like yourself would consider calling to bring the troops home, “political gain”.

    You have no human capasity what-so-ever. which is why we call you trolls.


  147. Egreggious, Esq. Says:

    Dr. Dog.

    SCREW political gain! Just get us out of Iraq and you bastards can have the fu(king White House and Congress and whatever the Hell else you want!


  148. RUCerious Says:

    Muzzle it, dogbreath. You have no idea how those families feel, or what THEIR cause might be.


  149. RUCerious Says:

    I fought in Nam, you jackass, I know exactly what combat deaths are, and what they mean. Shove your neocolon opinion up your ass.


  150. Lee J. Cobb Says:

    Dr. Dog and all other trolls;

    Very soon we will all know who really flew those planes into the towers. These people you support are the terrorists. And soon the rest of America will know it.

    as you bastards probably already know.


  151. Dr. Dog Says:

    Just get us out of Iraq and you bastards can have the fu(king White House and Congress and whatever the Hell else you want!

    Comment by Egreggious, Esq

    We will have the White House and congress anyway.

    We’ll leave Iraq when it is a stable environment there. We are not going to leave the country to terrorists.


  152. RUCerious Says:

    How bout it, chickendog, why not sign up, they’re offering 20 grand for you to put your life on the line for your beliefs>>?


  153. RUCerious Says:

    We’ll leave Iraq when it is a stable environment there.

    And how’s that goin for ya, about 30 or so years from now when all the oil’s gone, that’d be just about right for you?


  154. Dr. Dog Says:

    Muzzle it, dogbreath. You have no idea how those families feel, or what THEIR cause might be.

    Comment by RUCerious

    Don’t you dare use the name of Sgt. Sherman for political gain. You don’t have the authorization from his familiy.


  155. Lee J. Cobb Says:

    We’ll leave Iraq when it is a stable environment there. We are not going to leave the country to terrorists.

    Comment by Dr. Dog

    That’s the problem with you delusional dimwhits; you think you are a part of their plan….

    You have no idea what they are about. And you have no idea that you won’t profit from it like you think.

    You are the worst kind of stooges; greedy.


  156. Philonous Says:

    SCREW political gain! Just get us out of Iraq and you bastards can have the fu(king White House and Congress and whatever the Hell else you want!

    Comment by Egreggious, Esq. — August 1, 2007 @ 1:11 am
    ———————————
    If the US pulls out of Iraq, and the sectarian violence increases to such a point that it becomes a “genocide,” we will be legally forced to go right back in with the UN for humanitarian purposes according to the UN Genocide Convention of 1948.


  157. Dr. Dog Says:

    And how’s that goin for ya, about 30 or so years from now when all the oil’s gone, that’d be just about right for you?

    Comment by RUCerious

    It’s all about oil. That’s a great way to honor the life of Sgt. Sherman, douchebag, kock sucker.


  158. Lee J. Cobb Says:

    Comment by Dr. Dog

    back to this pathetic ploy, again? shouldn’t you be name jacking him like last time?


  159. Egreggious, Esq. Says:

    If the US pulls out of Iraq, and the sectarian violence increases to such a point that it becomes a “genocide,” we will be legally forced to go right back in with the UN for humanitarian purposes according to the UN Genocide Convention of 1948.

    Comment by Philonous — August 1, 2007 @ 1:17 am

    Sounds good to me!


  160. Philonous Says:

    Sounds good to me!

    Comment by Egreggious, Esq. — August 1, 2007 @ 1:18 am

    Name-hijacking?


  161. William Kristol Says:

    Well! Gotta break a few eggs to make an omlet!

    -B. Kristol


  162. Egreggious, Esq. Says:

    Comment by Philonous — August 1, 2007 @ 1:19 am

    Especially the first part.


  163. Lee J. Cobb Says:

    videos all thinking people should see. Great site. Iraq for Sale, and lots of others.

    http://houston911truth.org/ videos-all-thinking-people-should-see/


  164. Brassmask from 3DHS Says:

    Lee thinks that America attacked itself on 9/11. These are the demented minds we are dealing with.


  165. Philonous Says:

    Especially the first part.

    Comment by Egreggious, Esq. — August 1, 2007 @ 1:20 am
    ———-
    Well, I can pretty much guarantee that the US will not leave Iraq until the sectarian conflicts have been resolved.


  166. Ralph Says:

    Well, I can pretty much guarantee that the US will not leave Iraq until the sectarian conflicts have been resolved.

    Comment by Philonous

    The soldiers in Iraq see these comments made by liberals. They hear them everyday trashing what they are doing over their, dishonoring them by saying they are there for oil. Saying they are defeated. Liberals need to be destoryed politically.


  167. upright left Says:

    Using decreased death rates of troops to substantiate success in Iraq is sick and, frankly, irresponsible.
    Comment by William B. Jenaen — July 31, 2007 @ 11:58 pm

    Granted the death of one American is too many. But if the steady rise in deaths is a sign the situation is worsening, a steady decrease would seem to mean the situation is improving. The lower death rate for July is probably an anomaly rather than being attributable to an improvement in the situation. But it seems TP could have waited to see if the decrease continued before they jumped in with their monthly death averages. Dash every glimmer of hope for those families!


  168. Lee J. Cobb Says:

    link to National Petrolium Council

    http://www.npc.org/

    AEI lee Raymond heads it up now. what a coincidence, huh?


  169. Philonous Says:

    Liberals need to be destoryed politically.

    Comment by Ralph — August 1, 2007 @ 1:25 am
    —————-
    The comments here are extremely emotional, and even delusional (see #158 by Lee J Cobb). But I don’t see these radical libs as a threat politically, I am not too worried.


  170. Lee J. Cobb Says:

    link to Association for the Study of Peak Oil and Gas…

    http://www.aspo-usa.com/

    read about connections to globalization and market will be in 5 years,

    come to your own conclusions.


  171. Ralph Says:

    AEI lee Raymond heads it up now. what a coincidence, huh?

    Comment by Lee J. Cobb

    What a coincidence that Al Gore holds thousdands of shares of Ocidental petrolium stock, huh?

    You rotten piece of crap.


  172. Ralph Says:

    But I don’t see these radical libs as a threat politically, I am not too worried.

    Comment by Philonous

    They hold huge sway over the current Democrat candidates for president. They are all speaking at the Kos convention, for example.


  173. Philonous Says:

    Liberals need to be destoryed politically.

    Comment by Ralph — August 1, 2007 @ 1:25 am
    ———————
    Hell, with Extremist Lefties like Lee J Cobb,
    the Liberals practically self-destruct!


  174. Brassmask from 3DHS Says:

    Does anybody here have a crystal ball?


  175. Lee J. Cobb Says:

    You keep watching boys and girls. Executive privilege can’t keep the records from the investigators forever.

    eventually that big safe in Cheneys office will be opened, and what do you think he keeps in there?

    bin ladens fake video tape? or the “white paper proof” Powell never produced?


  176. Ralph Says:

    Hell, with Extremist Lefties like Lee J Cobb,
    the Liberals practically self-destruct!

    Comment by Philonous

    I agree.


  177. GSD Says:

    Ralph, then why did Republicans get destroyed last election and why are polls indicating that they are in similar dires straits in the 2008 elections?

    -GSD


  178. Ralph Says:

    eventually that big safe in Cheneys office will be opened, and what do you think he keeps in there?

    bin ladens fake video tape?

    Comment by Lee J. Cobb

    Democrats need to denounce extremist comments like this.


  179. Ralph Says:

    If you want a poll, look at the one showing the 14% approval rating for the Dem congress.


  180. GSD Says:

    Ralph, show me your long list of denuciations of Ann Coulter extremism. Oh that’s right, it’s OK for her.

    -GSD


  181. Lee J. Cobb Says:

    why all the secracy boys? what are they hiding?

    who is Zelikow and why was he on the Commission?

    just exactly what have they been secretly listening to? If it was al Qaeda, wouldn’t they just show the evidence and be done with it?


  182. Tired Of Fighting Says:

    For some reason my reply to the one called MR. Dog is not showing up and maybe for good reasons. While I usually dont reply to idiots I felt that hs/she/it deserved a response. If it shows up good if not well thats good too for I dont want to disrespect anyone else who may feel disrespected (not my target, those of you I respect). But I get nothing but love from the Sherman Family, and We all love each other as if we’ve known each other for years, for we share a bond.

    We all knew and loved and still love Big Perm.

    F you Dog.

    RIP
    SGT Stephen R Sherman
    C CO 1-5 IN (STYRKER)
    KIA 3 Feb 2005
    Mosul, Iraq


  183. Brassmask from 3DHS Says:

    Does anybody here think it shows dire straights with Rudy leading Hillary in all polls?


  184. GSD Says:

    Ralph, yet the polls also show that Americans want the Democrats to have more say in the war execution and more and more Americans identify as Democrats.

    Wait, that’s right, polls are meaningless when they don’t confirm that Bush is God.

    -GSD


  185. Philonous Says:

    They are all speaking at the Kos convention, for example.

    Americans know that Kos is a hate-site. If the convention gets any press at all, the hatefilled comments will certainly be mentioned.

    Don’t get me wrong, I am here trying to talk some sense into these libs, but at the same time I know that the majority of informed Americans (even regular liberals) are not as nutty as these folks.


  186. Brassmask from 3DHS Says:

    Does anybody here think that Bush gives one sh*t about these bogus polls?


  187. Lee J. Cobb Says:

    since Cheneys net worth in 2000 was around 1.9 million…

    how come it’s around 70 million now?

    how much money does a VP make?


  188. Ralph Says:

    why all the secracy boys? what are they hiding?

    who is Zelikow and why was he on the Commission?

    just exactly what have they been secretly listening to? If it was al Qaeda, wouldn’t they just show the evidence and be done with it?

    Comment by Lee J. Cobb

    You are a nut. Even the lefties here know it.


  189. Philonous Says:

    bin ladens fake video tape?
    Comment by Lee J. Cobb — August 1, 2007 @ 1:31 am
    ———-

    Do you mean this video:

    http://www.muckrakerreport.com/id372.html

    ???


  190. GSD Says:

    Why won’t Republicans denounce Ann Coulter?

    Oh wait she endorsed Republican Duncan Hunter.

    That’s right, it is OK for Republicans to call for assassinations of judges and bombings of American buildings.

    -GSD


  191. Brassmask from 3DHS Says:

    Does anybody here know what a vested stock option is?


  192. Ralph Says:

    That’s right, it is OK for Republicans to call for assassinations of judges and bombings of American buildings.

    -GSD

    Comment by GSD

    Source?


  193. Lt. Gen. Raymond T. Odierno Says:

    We should look upon Sgt. Sherman’s death as another “positive sign.”

    Just a bunch of deadenders in their last throes after the cakewalk mission was accomplished. I wouldn’t be surprised if they named a grand square in Baghdad after Bush.

    War might last six days…maybe six weeks…I doubt six months.

    With Iraq’s oil revenues it will virtually pay for itself.


  194. Dr. Dog Says:

    GSD thinks that pointing to bad behavior excuses other bad behavior.


  195. Lee J. Cobb Says:

    You can’t seriously believe that story?

    the premise of it is, “if we stretch the film image, he looks thinner”

    is that how stupid you are?


  196. Ralph Says:

    Here is another lib who mocks the service of Sgt. Sherman. You are a sick bunch.


  197. GSD Says:

    Source? What a clown. You Republicans dance up and down when Coulter jokes about John Edwards dead child.

    You say it is her right to joke about poisoning Justice Stevens or blowing up the NYTimes building.

    Go read her bile filled screeds.

    Ann Coulter, hatemonger that no Republican will denounce.

    -GSD


  198. Lt. Gen. Raymond T. Odierno Says:

    It’s a “positive sign”.


  199. GSD Says:

    GSD thinks that pointing to bad behavior excuses other bad behavior.

    Comment by Dr. Dog — August 1, 2007

    Kind of like the 7 years of “Bill Clinton did it” excuses emanating from every mouthbreathing pie-hole this side of the Potomac.

    Funny stuff.

    -GSD


  200. Philonous Says:

    It is shameful for you to degrade the name of Sgt. Sherman. I hope you rot in hell.

    Comment by Ralph — August 1, 2007 @ 1:36 am
    ——————-
    Since we are all posting anonymously, I try not to address personal issues, for there is no way to know if some of the claims made here are really true.

    However, I give people the benefit of the doubt, there is no reason not to believe Tired of Fighting when he says that he is very close with Sgt. Sherman’s family.


  201. Lee J. Cobb Says:

    Does anybody here know what a vested stock option is?

    Comment by Brassmask from 3DHS

    a vested stock option in a nearly bankrupt company that was paying out millions to asbestos clean up lawsuits….

    that just happened to get no-bid contract after no-bid contract and the value of the company has increased 9 fold since 2000.

    those kind of “vested” stock options are the best.


  202. Lee J. Cobb Says:

    but I am glad you brought that up, because that really goes to motive, doesn’t it?


  203. Mark Foley Says:

    Brassmark,

    Tell ‘em how I only preyed on one boy and he was 18. I get a good laugh outta that!


  204. Brassmask from 3DHS Says:

    Comment by Lee J. Cobb — August 1, 2007 @ 1:45 am

    Thank you, Lee.