REPORT: Putting U.S. Troop Casualty Statistics In Perspective
REPORT: Putting U.S. Troop Casualty Statistics In Perspective
At least 73 U.S. troops are reported to have died in Iraq this past month. The numbers are a decline from the all-time highs of 108, 131, and 117 from the previous three months.
Media reports herald the statistics as encouraging and as demonstrating “steady progress” in Iraq. Lt. Gen. Raymond T. Odierno said that the lower death toll was a “positive sign.”
According to icasualties.org, at least 3,653 U.S. troops have died in the 53 months that the war has been going on — a per monthly rate of nearly 69 U.S. troop casualties. Thus, the current month’s total still exceeds the average monthly casualty rate of the entire war.
Moreover, 73 is also greater than the average monthly casualty rate of each of the first four years of the war. A look at the monthly U.S. casualty rates over each of these years:
YEAR CASUALITY
RATE2003 48.6 per month 2004 70.8 per month 2005 70.5 per month 2006 68.5 per month 2007 92.9 per month
Statistics compiled from icasualties.org
The AP notes that “the daily average for U.S. troop deaths in July was at least 2.35 — higher than the daily average of 2.25 last year, and remarkably consistent with average daily casualties in 2005, at 2.32, and 2004, at 2.33.”
While U.S. troop casualties have fallen, reports indicate Iraqi deaths are rising again in Baghdad to pre-surge levels.
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Hooray for confirmation bias.
July 31st, 2007 at 11:32 pmI was wondering if it were possible that there might be a seasonal drop-off in casualties, that is, if warfare lagged because of the hot months of summer. Have previous Julys shown a lowering of casualties?
Just curious.
July 31st, 2007 at 11:32 pmGee…I don’t think I saw the media report any of this information.
Hmmm. Why do you think that is? Aren’t they supposed to inform the public or something like that?
July 31st, 2007 at 11:33 pmConcerning my previous post,
http://icasualties.org/oif/
a brief look at the figures seems to support my hypothesis, in all but the first year of the War/Occupation.
July 31st, 2007 at 11:35 pmEstimating progress in an occupied country by numbers of deaths of the invading forces. Brilliant.
July 31st, 2007 at 11:35 pmSigh
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n13CU-NvPMU
July 31st, 2007 at 11:36 pmAnd, let’s not forget the countless thousands and thousands of Iraqis who’ve been killed. Whose only crime was being born an Iraqi.
From what I’ve read, nearly 2 million have been killed since the wars and sanctions began back in 1991.
Aggressive war was once punished as a war crime back at Nuremburg, and I believe that this aggressive war holds some very serious legal and moral implications for all those involved…
Some thoughts on this:
“Collateral Damage is Murder”
July 31st, 2007 at 11:39 pmhttp://www.populistamerica.com/collateral_damage_is_murder
Well duh, of course casualty rates will increase! That only proves that the enemy is losing and he’s becoming more desperate! That’s what Bush once said so it must be true! Of course by that logic if casualty rates were to drop, that means we’re losing. Oh well.
July 31st, 2007 at 11:40 pmSoccer people, soccer.
July 31st, 2007 at 11:44 pmThis is the deadliest July in the war for US military. 74 US dead.
July 06: 43 US dead.
July 05: 54 US dead
July 04: 54 US dead
July 03: 48 US dead
http://icasualties.org/oif/
July 31st, 2007 at 11:46 pm#8
July 31st, 2007 at 11:46 pmChad — See#7 Above. this time, try to read the Entire COMMENT!
This makes me sick.
Averaging the deaths of the troops by month? And the media finds a dip in deaths “encouraging?”
I’m sure the families of all the dead — military and Iraqi — find this quite comforting.
July 31st, 2007 at 11:49 pm/sarc
What was the “deadliest” July during the Civil War, WWI, WWII, Korea, or Vietnam?
July 31st, 2007 at 11:52 pmThis may be part of the reason the September date was seen as so important. BushCo knew that war casualties were bound to go down in the hot summer months, and that they would then be able to tout these figures as a sign of progress.
I am reminded that during the American Revolution, fighting pretty much came to a stop during the harsh winter months (and thus the famous Valley Forge encampment).
July 31st, 2007 at 11:54 pmEgreggious, Esq.:
I’m reminded of noted historian, McCollough, who opined that we would never have won that American Revolution had today’s media been reporting back then.
July 31st, 2007 at 11:58 pmUsing decreased death rates of troops to substantiate success in Iraq is sick and, frankly, irresponsible. Forgetting for a moment that one death is too many in this stupid, avoidable war, there are a variety of factors that one would would need to know to give the statistic meaning. How freequently are troops exposed to attacks? Where are they patrolling? How does July compare to other months?
It just seems to me that the con job of this Administration will be to claim improvement in September and then ask for more time.
July 31st, 2007 at 11:58 pmI heard something on Countdown tonight that made me furious. There is some Democrat who is kind of like the “den mother” and he was quoted as saying that if Petrayus comes back in September with good news on Iraq, that the Democrats would lose support for withdrawal from some of the moderate Democrats. So, they are going to believe anything that Betrayus says, no matter of the reality of the situation. What is wrong with those “Democrats”. What is wrong with our country? Have we all gone bat shit insane?
July 31st, 2007 at 11:59 pmComment by bilbobaggins — July 31, 2007 @ 11:59 pm
I suppose there’s no chance Betrayus’s news could be so good that we could start withdrawal immediately?
August 1st, 2007 at 12:02 amAlso, wasn’t the point of the surge supposed to be to make life better for the Iraqis?
The Iraqi civilian and military deathtoll increased between June and July.
The surge is supposed to make the two years left of the Bush Permanant Occupation sustainable with the American public.
The Iraqi people don’t figure in to the mix.
Dishonesty reigns supreme.
-GSD
August 1st, 2007 at 12:03 amWhat was the “deadliest†July during the Civil War, WWI, WWII, Korea, or Vietnam?
Comment by Jake D. — July 31, 2007 @ 11:52 pm
Use “the Google” and find out for yourself.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:04 amToo bad Pelosi took impeachment “off the table” and the Dems don’t even have the votes to de-fund the war.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:04 amFor the record, I already know the total U.S. casualties lost in each of those conflicts — I doubt mainstream media ever compared MONTHLY totals though, before Viet Nam at least.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:06 amWhat is wrong with those “Democratsâ€. What is wrong with our country? Have we all gone bat shit insane?
Comment by bilbobaggins — July 31, 2007 @ 11:59 pm
They have no spine when it’s important — like the Republicans.
We need a clean sweep of Congress — vote out all the incumbents.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:07 amGSD:
As it should be, for the AMERICAN President, collateral damage is not as important as winning the war.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:08 amComment by Jake D. — August 1, 2007 @ 12:06 am
So stop the passive/aggressive crap already.
For the record, I’m on your Ignore List, so no responding to me — even just for the record (whatever the hell that might be).
August 1st, 2007 at 12:08 amRUN, CINDY, RUN!!!
August 1st, 2007 at 12:08 amAnyone else beside Zooey want to discuss the topic?
August 1st, 2007 at 12:09 amAs it should be, for the AMERICAN President, collateral damage is not as important as winning the war.
Comment by Jake D. — August 1, 2007 @ 12:08 am
I’d forgotten how bloodthirsty you are. Thanks for reminding me.
Freeze out the Jake troll.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:10 amWe need a clean sweep of Congress — vote out all the incumbents.
Comment by Zooey — August 1, 2007 @ 12:07 am
I guess I’m not the only one in a sour mood tonight.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:11 amThe Iraqi civilian and military deathtoll increased between June and July.
Comment by GSD — August 1, 2007 @ 12:03 am
Hey, you’re messing with my theory! :-)
August 1st, 2007 at 12:14 amWhat is wrong with those “Democratsâ€. What is wrong with our country? Have we all gone bat shit insane?
Comment by bilbobaggins
Look up CFR and see how many dems. are on the members lists. News media, politicians, CEOs of defence contractors, Carlyle Group. These are the people that intend for us to go down this set path.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:15 amSomebody needs to watch “The West Wing” episode, written by Shroom “Bloodthirsty” Sorkin, that answers the question Why is an American life “worth more” than a foreigner’s life?
August 1st, 2007 at 12:16 amLee,
I want the people to have this country back.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:16 amLee,
I want the people to have this country back.
Comment by Egreggious, Esq.
since 1866, corporations are people Egg. And they have the country now.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:17 amcorporations vote with their checkbooks and they influence us with their newspapers and news agencies like Fox and CNN.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:19 amHere it is: “Inauguration Part 1″
President Bartlet wonders “Why is a Kuhndunese life worth less to me than an American life?” Bailey replies: “I don’t know, sir, but it is.”
August 1st, 2007 at 12:19 amTHANK GOD FOR CORPORATIONS!!!!!
August 1st, 2007 at 12:20 amsince 1866, corporations are people Egg. And they have the country now.
Comment by Lee J. Cobb — August 1, 2007 @ 12:17 am
Well, as long as corporations are people, I guess that’s OK then.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:21 amWhat was the “deadliest†July during the Civil War, WWI, WWII, Korea, or Vietnam?
Comment by Jake D. — July 31, 2007 @ 11:52 pm
Totally dishonest comparision. Ignore!!! Ignore!!!
August 1st, 2007 at 12:21 amCFR website has a great deal of information about Globalization and even a report on the pending worsening of the US ecconomic model for the average citizen, and ways to spin the growing disent about it to make people think faster globalization is the way to fix it.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:22 amCFR is behind the AMERO, and the SPP. Check out there map of where the most educated students are in the field of geo-petrolium studies…
August 1st, 2007 at 12:24 amin north america, its Mexico.
I guess I’m not the only one in a sour mood tonight.
Comment by Egreggious, Esq. — August 1, 2007 @ 12:11 am
I get cranky about the state of this country, and the dead and injured troops — and countless Iraqis.
The troll doesn’t help.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:24 amTotally dishonest comparision. Ignore!!! Ignore!!!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — August 1, 2007 @ 12:21 am
See #27. Oy…. :)
August 1st, 2007 at 12:25 amCFR = Council on Foreign Relations?
August 1st, 2007 at 12:26 amThe troll doesn’t help.
Comment by Zooey — August 1, 2007 @ 12:24 am
I’ve always thought that having a clown at a funeral was in bad taste.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:27 amI’ve always thought that having a clown at a funeral was in bad taste.
Comment by Egreggious, Esq. — August 1, 2007 @ 12:27 am
Especially a Death’s Head Clown. Ugh. I hate clowns….
August 1st, 2007 at 12:28 amthe count by the DOD most likely is correct, that is the number of deaths ON Iraqi soil. We hear the numbers and mentally add this up to the previous number. BUT what about those who have died while in transit to or after arriving to the hospital? You never hear of them or see it added to the DOD number. They do not count? Another sham by our DOD?
August 1st, 2007 at 12:28 amCFR = Council on Foreign Relations?
Comment by Egreggious, Esq.
yes. i would be posting links, but the site is down until 12:30 eastern. 1 minute left. I will link you to the “New Deal for Globalization”
August 1st, 2007 at 12:29 amI suppose it might be OK if it was a clown’s funeral.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:29 ami would be posting links, but the site is down until 12:30 eastern.
Comment by Lee J. Cobb — August 1, 2007 @ 12:29 am
I noticed.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:30 amI suppose it might be OK if it was a clown’s funeral.
Comment by Egreggious, Esq. — August 1, 2007 @ 12:29 am
Don’t look for any deep hidden meaning there.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:31 amSomebody needs to watch “The West Wing†episode..blah blah blah
August 1st, 2007 at 12:33 am—————————–
Well SOMEBODY needs to pick up a book and quit watching so much TV. This somebody is Jake D.ipshite.
Didn’t Tony Snowjob say it’s only a number?
August 1st, 2007 at 12:33 amHey, didn’t someone mention this on a different thread, but without all the negative spin?
August 1st, 2007 at 12:33 amLee,
I think I’m going to call it a night.
If you want to leave some links for me here, I’ll check them out tomorrow.
Goodnight, all.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:34 amEven without Martin Sheen, I would have known an American life is worth more than an Iraqi life . . .
August 1st, 2007 at 12:34 amHey, didn’t someone mention this on a different thread, but without all the negative spin?
Comment by Philonous — August 1, 2007 @ 12:33 am
I think you’re right. The spin on the deaths was very positive, if I remember correctly.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:35 amGoodnight, Egreggious, Esq.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:35 amI noticed.
Comment by Egreggious, Esq.
It’s a long essay that admits since 2000 the “real money” numbers for average american workers has dropped to pre 1920 numbers.
This, he says, is causing a rise in the “protectionist” movement; ending NAFTA, GATT and others.
He suggest various ways to fix it by convincing americans that more free trade and less regulation is the way to go.
If you want it, I will email it to you as a word file. It is a very interesting look into the midset of these people.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:36 amComment by had enough — August 1, 2007 @ 12:28 am
I wonder if someone would blow the whistle on the true death count, and if it would be high enough to motivate the masses?
August 1st, 2007 at 12:36 amYou did good today, P.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:36 amGoodnight, Egg!
August 1st, 2007 at 12:36 amKudos for ignoring the J-troll who Shall not Be Named, TP’ers. Now add mr. Egreggious to the list.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:38 amHey, didn’t someone mention this on a different thread, but without all the negative spin?
Comment by Philonous — August 1, 2007 @ 12:33 am
How does “positive spin” on all this death happen — exactly?
August 1st, 2007 at 12:38 amIf you want it, I will email it to you as a word file. It is a very interesting look into the midset of these people.
Comment by Lee J. Cobb — August 1, 2007 @ 12:36 am
If it’s not too heavy on the economics, that would be cool.
Economics makes my elbows itch.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:38 amKudos for ignoring the J-troll who Shall not Be Named, TP’ers. Now add mr. Egreggious to the list.
Comment by sponson — August 1, 2007 @ 12:38 am
That ain’t happening.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:39 amEconomics makes my elbows itch.
Comment by Egreggious, Esq.
It’s more theory and spin than anything else. I’ll zap it and some links.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:40 amI wonder if someone would blow the whistle on the true death count, and if it would be high enough to motivate the masses?
Comment by Zooey — August 1, 2007 @ 12:36 am
You can bet everything possible is done to make those figures as low as possible.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:40 amIf only one soldier dies, isn’t that more than just a statistic for his family?
August 1st, 2007 at 12:40 amIt’s ridiculous to compare body counts in certain months, years, wars, etc., to make a point. The pentagon, the DOD, and the media all would like to point to numbers as telling a tale of progress — well, I doubt that is of great comfort to loved ones.
It is more a macabre version of childhood mentality — mine is bigger and/or better than yours.
Besides, having Odierno as spokesman, second to Petraeus is a dubious distinction.
Goodnight again!
August 1st, 2007 at 12:41 amYou dropped a title or two. glad you kept Esq.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:42 amGoodnight, John Boy.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:42 amI was taught it rude to include “Esq.” as one’s own title.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:42 amTrying to use the deaths for political gain.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:43 amGee…I don’t think I saw the media report any of this information.
Hmmm. Why do you think that is? Aren’t they supposed to inform the public or something like that?
Comment by Mark @ News Corpse — July 31, 2007 @ 11:33 pm
Maybe they are waiting, hoping that the decrease isn’t an anomaly rather than immediately seeking a way to make fewer American deaths seem like a bad thing. ;)
August 1st, 2007 at 12:43 amI wonder if someone would blow the whistle on the true death count, and if it would be high enough to motivate the masses?
Comment by Zooey
The masses that still support this administration will always justify deaths and lost money and coruption on “the war on terror”.
There is only one way to end their support of this President and stop this war.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:44 am“U.S. troop casualties have fallen”
The surge is working, as reported yesterday by CNN, CBS, Fox News, The New York Times and ABC news.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:45 amAmen, Dr. Dog!!!
August 1st, 2007 at 12:46 amThere is only one way to end their support of this President and stop this war.
Comment by Lee J. Cobb — August 1, 2007 @ 12:44 am
I thought that might be a pretty big “if.”
August 1st, 2007 at 12:46 amAssassination, Lee J. Cobb?
August 1st, 2007 at 12:46 am“I get cranky about the state of this country, and the dead and injured troops — and countless Iraqis.”
You know no friends or relatives who are serving in Iraq. You have no say in the matter.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:47 amFreeze out the Jake troll and the Dr Dog troll.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:48 amECHO CHAMBER HERE WE COME!!!
August 1st, 2007 at 12:48 amGreat job rebutting these left wingers, Jake. We must rebut everything they say so nobody will think our silence is a verication of the accurarcy of their bogus allegations.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:48 amIf you want to end the last 26%ers blind faith in this administration, you have to prove to them that there is no “war on terror”.
You have to reopen investigation into 9/11. Once these diehards know what happened and that there is no-one lurking in caves keeping the most awesome war machine in history at bay, then they will help to sweep this administration out before Nov. ‘08
August 1st, 2007 at 12:48 amAnd the media finds a dip in deaths “encouraging?†-Zo
You do realize that “a dip in deaths” means less Soldiers were died, right?
August 1st, 2007 at 12:49 amYou know no friends or relatives who are serving in Iraq. You have no say in the matter.
Comment by Ralph — August 1, 2007 @ 12:47 am
You know that, huh? How would you know?
Liar.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:49 amHas anyone heard from Craig L. lately?
August 1st, 2007 at 12:49 amAnd I’ll bet not one of the dead is a neo-con or a relative of a neo-con.
They only send others to their deaths, in the names of oil and wealth.
How long will we oblige them? What’s it going to take to say NO MORE?
August 1st, 2007 at 12:49 amThanks, D-Dog!!!
August 1st, 2007 at 12:49 amFreeze out Zooey. He doesn’t like different opinions.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:49 amProve you know somebody in Iraq, Zooey. Either a friend or a relative.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:50 amThere is only one way to end their support of this President and stop this war.
Comment by Lee J. Cobb — August 1, 2007 @ 12:44 am
August 1st, 2007 at 12:50 am————————————————————————————
You would make Lenin proud!
You do realize that “a dip in deaths†means less Soldiers were died, right?
Comment by Philonous — August 1, 2007 @ 12:49 am
You do realize that 73 soldiers died, right? Why are you celebrating that?
August 1st, 2007 at 12:50 amShe.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:50 amComment by G Whiz — August 1, 2007 @ 12:49 am
neocons don’t exist!
If you think that they do, PROVE IT!
You got nothin’
August 1st, 2007 at 12:51 amZooey, do you know if Craig L. has been re-deployed yet?
August 1st, 2007 at 12:51 amProve you know somebody in Iraq, Zooey. Either a friend or a relative.
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 1, 2007 @ 12:50 am
Exactly how would I go about that, dingleberry?
August 1st, 2007 at 12:52 amAnd how would you prove I don’t?
Assassination, Lee J. Cobb?
Comment by Jake D.
There was another thread where one of the left wingers here wished the death upon the Chief Justice of the United States. They are sick whackos and they need to be confronted.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:52 amYou did good today, P.
Comment by Egreggious, Esq.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:52 am—————-
Well thanks, Egreg.
See ya later.
I haven’t heard from Tired of Fighting in a while either.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:52 amZooey, do you know if Craig L. has been re-deployed yet?
Comment by Martha Stewart — August 1, 2007 @ 12:51 am
Do you mean Chris L? I don’t know either way. Sorry, dear.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:53 amThere is only one way to end their support of this President and stop this war.
Comment by Lee J. Cobb
How do you intend to stop it, stupid? You don’t have the votes.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:53 amI’m sorry, it is Chris L. I’m still too new here. Too many names.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:54 amI haven’t heard from Tired of Fighting in a while either.
Comment by Martha Stewart — August 1, 2007 @ 12:52 am
That’s true. Was he going back, as well?
August 1st, 2007 at 12:54 amYou do realize that 73 soldiers died, right? Why are you celebrating that?
Comment by Zooey
What were their names? What were they like? What did they mean to their families?
You are just using the number for political gain. You don’t give a shhit about them.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:55 amYou do realize that 73 soldiers died, right? Why are you celebrating that?
August 1st, 2007 at 12:55 amComment by Zooey — August 1, 2007 @ 12:50 am
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Well, like any normal person, I am not celebrating the fact that soldiers died. I am merely saying that it is a good sign that the number of deaths has decreased.
FEMA Report is contradicted by 9/11 Commission Report
9/11 Commission Report is contradicted by NIST
NIST is contradicted by UL studies and models
“Why the Towers Fell” by PBS with NOVA animation leaves the core
Popular Mechanics is owned by Hearst Corp (Remember the Maine?)
August 1st, 2007 at 12:55 amand there report is more scientificly flawed than the FEMA.
That’s true. Was he going back, as well?
Comment by Zooey — August 1, 2007 @ 12:54 am
Yes. That’s got to be tough, him having lost his best friend over there and all.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:55 amThis little chart should be sent to every newspaper in every town and city in America. Why isn’t such a simple chart as this more readily available to the American public at large? So simple and yet, so powerful!
And what is the relationship of these statistics to this notion prevalent these days of “progress” in Iraq?
Does more death equal more progress? Hmmm.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:56 amEgregg, I thought you were turning in for the night?
August 1st, 2007 at 12:56 amExactly how would I go about that, dingleberry?
And how would you prove I don’t?
Comment by Zooey
What is their name and where do they serve?
August 1st, 2007 at 12:56 amWell, like any normal person, I am not celebrating the fact that soldiers died. I am merely saying that it is a good sign that the number of deaths has decreased.
Comment by Philonous — August 1, 2007 @ 12:55 am
It probably doesn’t feel that way to their families.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:56 amGear up, folks. The plan is made and the play has begun.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:56 amThe surge will be given a rating of at least a B+ by September, if not an A. The media will duly note all the rosy reports from the military spokesmen, the Pentagon will find any way to report statistics that support their case and finally, the savior, Petraeus, will make his pronouncement, the Repugs will genuflect, the Dems will bow down, Bush will beatify him and the war will go on.
I haven’t heard from Tired of Fighting in a while either.
Comment by Martha Stewart
I thought he said something about going back in Aug.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:57 amZooey, I forgot to ask you if you actually looked at that tribute video to my cousin. I can give you the link again if you like.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:57 amYes. That’s got to be tough, him having lost his best friend over there and all.
Comment by Martha Stewart — August 1, 2007 @ 12:55 am
He very well may lose more friends.
Sgt Higgins and hacker bob both anticipate having to go back, as well.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:57 amEgregg, I thought you were turning in for the night?
Comment by Philonous
Liberals lie.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:57 am“Petraeus, will make his pronouncement, the Repugs will genuflect, the Dems will bow down, Bush will beatify him and the war will go on.”
The Republicans are going to retake the congress in 2008.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:58 amZooey, I forgot to ask you if you actually looked at that tribute video to my cousin. I can give you the link again if you like.
Comment by Martha Stewart — August 1, 2007 @ 12:57 am
I didn’t look at it the other night, I wasn’t in the right frame of mind. If you post the link again, I’ll look at it tomorrow morning. Zoo Jr wants to get online in a few minutes.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:59 amI don’t think I’ve really met hacker bob. Sarge is cool though. I really respect him. He has enough worries at home without having to go back.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:00 amLiberals lie.
Comment by Dr. Dog
Like a rug.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:00 amWell, I better call it a night too, Zooey. I’ll post the link here in a second so you can find it tomorrow, if you want.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:00 amWhat is their name and where do they serve?
Comment by Ralph — August 1, 2007 @ 12:56 am
Yeah, right. I’m posting names. Not.
My cousin — serving in Iraq.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:01 amFriends — serving in Iraq.
My boss’s son — dead in Iraq.
You know what, I have just about had it with all who try to make it seem that because ONLY 73 Soldiers and Marines were killed this month that somehow that justifies progress. Suppose ONLY 20 students were killed every month at some university in this country every month as opposed to the 32 that were murdered at VA. Tech, WOULD THAT BE PROGRESS.
Those 73 Soldiers and Marines were Mothers, Fathers, Sisters, Brothers, Aunts, Uncles, Nieces, Nephews, Cousins, Wifes, Husbands, Friends, and fellow warfighters of mine, and for some elite ass chicken-hawks to spend a week in an area that has been swept before they entered and claim all is well is total BS.
I AM TIRED of all who continue to accept any and everything that is being told to you by people who dont have the guts to put their and their loved ones lives on line for this war, but will try to find SOMETHING to justify their F-ups over the past going on 5 years. Anything that can be spun into something positive is seen as progress, haven’t we beeen hearing this garbage for too long now?
After awhile if you say the sun is gonna come out here in the Seattle-Tacoma (Fort Lewis) area after months of rain it eventually will happen so does that mean that thats progress and did people have to stay and die until you got that right?
Are we that irrelevant to you that ONLY 73 dying is a good thing? Are you so removed by the war because you have noone in the region that ONLY 73 is good news? Do you support the war and its mis-handlers so much over the ones that are fighting, surviving, and dying in it that its a good thing that ONLY 73 of us managed to get ourselfs killed this month instead of the USUAL hundred and some change? Are you that de-sensitized by death because its not gonna be knocking at your door in a Military uniform that you just dont give a F@$# as long as your party wins and your taxes stay low?
The next time a gunman goes into a school or mall or restaurant and shoots and kills scores of people in an area where your children or loved ones are, while your driving, walking, running, hysterically to the scene, think of the ONLY 73 families who will be getting them phone calls this month, and the month after that, and the month after that, and the month after that, and the month after that, and the month after that……………………………..
RIP
SGT Stephen R Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STYRKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
ONLY the 1,462nd Soldier to die in Iraq
August 1st, 2007 at 1:01 amT.P.!!!!!!!!!!
August 1st, 2007 at 1:01 amYOU DEFINITELY NEED YOUR OLD BLOGGERS BACK!
RYAN NEAT,UNCLE HO, TRUEBLUE, TODD, UNBELIEVABLE, .WHAT HAPPENED T.P.?
It probably doesn’t feel that way to their families.
Comment by Zooey — August 1, 2007 @ 12:56 am
August 1st, 2007 at 1:01 am—————
I didn’t say anything about feelings. I said that it is a good sign that less soldiers had died. That statement does not trivialize those who were killed.
http://mattocks.blogspot.com/ 2007/ 06/ stephen-edward-colley.html
Here it is, Zooey.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:02 amWell, I better call it a night too, Zooey. I’ll post the link here in a second so you can find it tomorrow, if you want.
Comment by Martha Stewart — August 1, 2007 @ 1:00 am
Thanks Martha, I’ll bookmark it.
Goodnight!
August 1st, 2007 at 1:02 amzooey, all - check out what i posted on the specter thread…
let me know what you think…
i’m off to bed now…
August 1st, 2007 at 1:02 amg’nite all…
Conservatives:
Every post in these threads needs to be rebutted. Liberals are liars. If we don’t respond people will think their false accuations are true. Confront the liberals, 24/7!!!! On every thread!!!
August 1st, 2007 at 1:02 amHi tired of Fighting. We were just talking about you.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:03 amHey, Tired of Fighting.
You’re a good Soldier.
Always there when we really need you.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:04 amComment by katy — August 1, 2007 @ 1:02 am
Bookmarked. I’ll read it in the morning. Thanks!
August 1st, 2007 at 1:04 am#
I haven’t heard from Tired of Fighting in a while either.
Comment by Martha Stewart — August 1, 2007 @ 12:52 am
August 1st, 2007 at 1:04 amHes BACK!
Comment by Tired Of Fighting — August 1, 2007 @ 1:01 am
Here it is, Zooey.
Comment by Martha Stewart — August 1, 2007 @ 1:02 am
Got it, thanks!
August 1st, 2007 at 1:05 amI didn’t say anything about feelings. I said that it is a good sign that less soldiers had died. That statement does not trivialize those who were killed.
Comment by Philonous — August 1, 2007 @ 1:01 am
See #122.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:06 amThe only way to end this conflict and bring these soldiers home is to reopen the investigation into 9/11 and indict Cheney and Rumsfeld for premeditated murder of 2,700+ US citizens.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:06 amGnite
August 1st, 2007 at 1:06 amGood evening to you Lee and always to you Egreggious.
RIP
August 1st, 2007 at 1:06 amSGT Stephen R Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STYRKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
See #122.
Comment by Zooey — August 1, 2007 @ 1:06 am
August 1st, 2007 at 1:07 am———
I’ve seen it.
wow… talk about timing…
very profound, tired of fighting…
heart breaking…
take care of yourself…
August 1st, 2007 at 1:08 am.
Comment by Tired Of Fighting — August 1, 2007 @ 1:01 am
Thank you, ToF.
You have a great way of putting things in perspective — for people with souls.
Goodnight.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:09 amFamilies of military dead do not find it comforting that you are using the name of their loved one for political gain, especially if they don’t believe in your cause.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:09 amTired of Fighting is my hero.
I don’t mean that in a cheesy way.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:09 amEven one death is one too many.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:09 amNo lives should have been sacrificed on the altar of chympego.
You don’t care about who has died, Rucerious, you only care about your narrow agenda.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:11 amFamilies of military dead do not find it comforting that you are using the name of their loved one for political gain, especially if they don’t believe in your cause.
Comment by Dr. Dog
only dimwhitted sympathizer like yourself would consider calling to bring the troops home, “political gain”.
You have no human capasity what-so-ever. which is why we call you trolls.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:11 amDr. Dog.
SCREW political gain! Just get us out of Iraq and you bastards can have the fu(king White House and Congress and whatever the Hell else you want!
August 1st, 2007 at 1:11 amMuzzle it, dogbreath. You have no idea how those families feel, or what THEIR cause might be.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:12 amI fought in Nam, you jackass, I know exactly what combat deaths are, and what they mean. Shove your neocolon opinion up your ass.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:13 amDr. Dog and all other trolls;
Very soon we will all know who really flew those planes into the towers. These people you support are the terrorists. And soon the rest of America will know it.
as you bastards probably already know.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:14 amJust get us out of Iraq and you bastards can have the fu(king White House and Congress and whatever the Hell else you want!
Comment by Egreggious, Esq
We will have the White House and congress anyway.
We’ll leave Iraq when it is a stable environment there. We are not going to leave the country to terrorists.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:14 amHow bout it, chickendog, why not sign up, they’re offering 20 grand for you to put your life on the line for your beliefs>>?
August 1st, 2007 at 1:14 amWe’ll leave Iraq when it is a stable environment there.
And how’s that goin for ya, about 30 or so years from now when all the oil’s gone, that’d be just about right for you?
August 1st, 2007 at 1:15 amMuzzle it, dogbreath. You have no idea how those families feel, or what THEIR cause might be.
Comment by RUCerious
Don’t you dare use the name of Sgt. Sherman for political gain. You don’t have the authorization from his familiy.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:16 amWe’ll leave Iraq when it is a stable environment there. We are not going to leave the country to terrorists.
Comment by Dr. Dog
That’s the problem with you delusional dimwhits; you think you are a part of their plan….
You have no idea what they are about. And you have no idea that you won’t profit from it like you think.
You are the worst kind of stooges; greedy.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:17 amSCREW political gain! Just get us out of Iraq and you bastards can have the fu(king White House and Congress and whatever the Hell else you want!
Comment by Egreggious, Esq. — August 1, 2007 @ 1:11 am
August 1st, 2007 at 1:17 am———————————
If the US pulls out of Iraq, and the sectarian violence increases to such a point that it becomes a “genocide,” we will be legally forced to go right back in with the UN for humanitarian purposes according to the UN Genocide Convention of 1948.
And how’s that goin for ya, about 30 or so years from now when all the oil’s gone, that’d be just about right for you?
Comment by RUCerious
It’s all about oil. That’s a great way to honor the life of Sgt. Sherman, douchebag, kock sucker.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:18 amComment by Dr. Dog
back to this pathetic ploy, again? shouldn’t you be name jacking him like last time?
August 1st, 2007 at 1:18 amIf the US pulls out of Iraq, and the sectarian violence increases to such a point that it becomes a “genocide,†we will be legally forced to go right back in with the UN for humanitarian purposes according to the UN Genocide Convention of 1948.
Comment by Philonous — August 1, 2007 @ 1:17 am
Sounds good to me!
August 1st, 2007 at 1:18 amSounds good to me!
Comment by Egreggious, Esq. — August 1, 2007 @ 1:18 am
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Name-hijacking?
August 1st, 2007 at 1:19 amWell! Gotta break a few eggs to make an omlet!
-B. Kristol
August 1st, 2007 at 1:20 amComment by Philonous — August 1, 2007 @ 1:19 am
Especially the first part.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:20 amvideos all thinking people should see. Great site. Iraq for Sale, and lots of others.
http://houston911truth.org/ videos-all-thinking-people-should-see/
August 1st, 2007 at 1:22 amLee thinks that America attacked itself on 9/11. These are the demented minds we are dealing with.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:23 amEspecially the first part.
Comment by Egreggious, Esq. — August 1, 2007 @ 1:20 am
August 1st, 2007 at 1:23 am———-
Well, I can pretty much guarantee that the US will not leave Iraq until the sectarian conflicts have been resolved.
Well, I can pretty much guarantee that the US will not leave Iraq until the sectarian conflicts have been resolved.
Comment by Philonous
The soldiers in Iraq see these comments made by liberals. They hear them everyday trashing what they are doing over their, dishonoring them by saying they are there for oil. Saying they are defeated. Liberals need to be destoryed politically.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:25 amUsing decreased death rates of troops to substantiate success in Iraq is sick and, frankly, irresponsible.
Comment by William B. Jenaen — July 31, 2007 @ 11:58 pm
Granted the death of one American is too many. But if the steady rise in deaths is a sign the situation is worsening, a steady decrease would seem to mean the situation is improving. The lower death rate for July is probably an anomaly rather than being attributable to an improvement in the situation. But it seems TP could have waited to see if the decrease continued before they jumped in with their monthly death averages. Dash every glimmer of hope for those families!
August 1st, 2007 at 1:26 amlink to National Petrolium Council
http://www.npc.org/
AEI lee Raymond heads it up now. what a coincidence, huh?
August 1st, 2007 at 1:26 amLiberals need to be destoryed politically.
Comment by Ralph — August 1, 2007 @ 1:25 am
August 1st, 2007 at 1:28 am—————-
The comments here are extremely emotional, and even delusional (see #158 by Lee J Cobb). But I don’t see these radical libs as a threat politically, I am not too worried.
link to Association for the Study of Peak Oil and Gas…
http://www.aspo-usa.com/
read about connections to globalization and market will be in 5 years,
come to your own conclusions.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:28 amAEI lee Raymond heads it up now. what a coincidence, huh?
Comment by Lee J. Cobb
What a coincidence that Al Gore holds thousdands of shares of Ocidental petrolium stock, huh?
You rotten piece of crap.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:29 amBut I don’t see these radical libs as a threat politically, I am not too worried.
Comment by Philonous
They hold huge sway over the current Democrat candidates for president. They are all speaking at the Kos convention, for example.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:30 amLiberals need to be destoryed politically.
Comment by Ralph — August 1, 2007 @ 1:25 am
August 1st, 2007 at 1:30 am———————
Hell, with Extremist Lefties like Lee J Cobb,
the Liberals practically self-destruct!
Does anybody here have a crystal ball?
August 1st, 2007 at 1:30 amYou keep watching boys and girls. Executive privilege can’t keep the records from the investigators forever.
eventually that big safe in Cheneys office will be opened, and what do you think he keeps in there?
bin ladens fake video tape? or the “white paper proof” Powell never produced?
August 1st, 2007 at 1:31 amHell, with Extremist Lefties like Lee J Cobb,
the Liberals practically self-destruct!
Comment by Philonous
I agree.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:31 amRalph, then why did Republicans get destroyed last election and why are polls indicating that they are in similar dires straits in the 2008 elections?
-GSD
August 1st, 2007 at 1:32 ameventually that big safe in Cheneys office will be opened, and what do you think he keeps in there?
bin ladens fake video tape?
Comment by Lee J. Cobb
Democrats need to denounce extremist comments like this.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:32 amIf you want a poll, look at the one showing the 14% approval rating for the Dem congress.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:33 amRalph, show me your long list of denuciations of Ann Coulter extremism. Oh that’s right, it’s OK for her.
-GSD
August 1st, 2007 at 1:33 amwhy all the secracy boys? what are they hiding?
who is Zelikow and why was he on the Commission?
just exactly what have they been secretly listening to? If it was al Qaeda, wouldn’t they just show the evidence and be done with it?
August 1st, 2007 at 1:34 amFor some reason my reply to the one called MR. Dog is not showing up and maybe for good reasons. While I usually dont reply to idiots I felt that hs/she/it deserved a response. If it shows up good if not well thats good too for I dont want to disrespect anyone else who may feel disrespected (not my target, those of you I respect). But I get nothing but love from the Sherman Family, and We all love each other as if we’ve known each other for years, for we share a bond.
We all knew and loved and still love Big Perm.
F you Dog.
RIP
August 1st, 2007 at 1:34 amSGT Stephen R Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STYRKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
Does anybody here think it shows dire straights with Rudy leading Hillary in all polls?
August 1st, 2007 at 1:34 amRalph, yet the polls also show that Americans want the Democrats to have more say in the war execution and more and more Americans identify as Democrats.
Wait, that’s right, polls are meaningless when they don’t confirm that Bush is God.
-GSD
August 1st, 2007 at 1:35 amThey are all speaking at the Kos convention, for example.
Americans know that Kos is a hate-site. If the convention gets any press at all, the hatefilled comments will certainly be mentioned.
Don’t get me wrong, I am here trying to talk some sense into these libs, but at the same time I know that the majority of informed Americans (even regular liberals) are not as nutty as these folks.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:36 amDoes anybody here think that Bush gives one sh*t about these bogus polls?
August 1st, 2007 at 1:37 amsince Cheneys net worth in 2000 was around 1.9 million…
how come it’s around 70 million now?
how much money does a VP make?
August 1st, 2007 at 1:38 amwhy all the secracy boys? what are they hiding?
who is Zelikow and why was he on the Commission?
just exactly what have they been secretly listening to? If it was al Qaeda, wouldn’t they just show the evidence and be done with it?
Comment by Lee J. Cobb
You are a nut. Even the lefties here know it.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:38 ambin ladens fake video tape?
Comment by Lee J. Cobb — August 1, 2007 @ 1:31 am
———-
Do you mean this video:
August 1st, 2007 at 1:39 amhttp://www.muckrakerreport.com/id372.html
???
Why won’t Republicans denounce Ann Coulter?
Oh wait she endorsed Republican Duncan Hunter.
That’s right, it is OK for Republicans to call for assassinations of judges and bombings of American buildings.
-GSD
August 1st, 2007 at 1:39 amDoes anybody here know what a vested stock option is?
August 1st, 2007 at 1:39 amThat’s right, it is OK for Republicans to call for assassinations of judges and bombings of American buildings.
-GSD
Comment by GSD
Source?
August 1st, 2007 at 1:40 amWe should look upon Sgt. Sherman’s death as another “positive sign.â€
Just a bunch of deadenders in their last throes after the cakewalk mission was accomplished. I wouldn’t be surprised if they named a grand square in Baghdad after Bush.
War might last six days…maybe six weeks…I doubt six months.
With Iraq’s oil revenues it will virtually pay for itself.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:40 amGSD thinks that pointing to bad behavior excuses other bad behavior.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:41 amYou can’t seriously believe that story?
the premise of it is, “if we stretch the film image, he looks thinner”
is that how stupid you are?
August 1st, 2007 at 1:42 amHere is another lib who mocks the service of Sgt. Sherman. You are a sick bunch.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:42 amSource? What a clown. You Republicans dance up and down when Coulter jokes about John Edwards dead child.
You say it is her right to joke about poisoning Justice Stevens or blowing up the NYTimes building.
Go read her bile filled screeds.
Ann Coulter, hatemonger that no Republican will denounce.
-GSD
August 1st, 2007 at 1:43 amIt’s a “positive sign”.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:43 amGSD thinks that pointing to bad behavior excuses other bad behavior.
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 1, 2007
Kind of like the 7 years of “Bill Clinton did it” excuses emanating from every mouthbreathing pie-hole this side of the Potomac.
Funny stuff.
-GSD
August 1st, 2007 at 1:44 amIt is shameful for you to degrade the name of Sgt. Sherman. I hope you rot in hell.
Comment by Ralph — August 1, 2007 @ 1:36 am
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Since we are all posting anonymously, I try not to address personal issues, for there is no way to know if some of the claims made here are really true.
However, I give people the benefit of the doubt, there is no reason not to believe Tired of Fighting when he says that he is very close with Sgt. Sherman’s family.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:44 amDoes anybody here know what a vested stock option is?
Comment by Brassmask from 3DHS
a vested stock option in a nearly bankrupt company that was paying out millions to asbestos clean up lawsuits….
that just happened to get no-bid contract after no-bid contract and the value of the company has increased 9 fold since 2000.
those kind of “vested” stock options are the best.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:45 ambut I am glad you brought that up, because that really goes to motive, doesn’t it?
August 1st, 2007 at 1:45 amBrassmark,
Tell ‘em how I only preyed on one boy and he was 18. I get a good laugh outta that!
August 1st, 2007 at 1:47 amComment by Lee J. Cobb — August 1, 2007 @ 1:45 am
Thank you, Lee.