McCain And Cheney Use O’Hanlon-Pollack Op-Ed To Justify Continuing Escalation
McCain And Cheney Use O’Hanlon-Pollack Op-Ed To Justify Continuing Escalation
After Brookings analysts Michael O’Hanlon and Kenneth M. Pollack published a report in the New York Times yesterday arguing that “we are finally getting somewhere in Iraq, at least in military terms,” National Review convened a symposium of pro-war cheerleaders to praise the op-ed.
Of the eight war backers in the symposium, the most distinguished contributor is Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), who — like the Brookings analysts — has previously exploited Baghdad trips to portray a rosy vision of Iraq. McCain used the op-ed to bash war critics:
Michael O’Hanlon and Kenneth Pollack have uncovered a truth that seems to escape congressional Democrats: General Petraeus’s new strategy has shown remarkable progress. […]
I cannot guarantee success. But I do guarantee that, should Congress fail to sustain the effort, and should it pay no heed to the lessons drawn by Mr. Pollack and Mr. O’Hanlon, then America will face a historic and terrible defeat. Such a defeat, with its enormous human and strategic costs, will unfold unless we do all in our power to prevent it. I, for one, will continue to do just that.
In his interview with Larry King, Vice President Cheney said “don’t take it from me” that the escalation is working, but rather he cited O’Hanlon and Pollack, individuals whom he called “strong critics of the war”:
Look at the piece that appeared yesterday in The New York Times — not exactly a friendly publication — but a piece by Mr. O’Hanlon and Mr. Pollack on the situation in Iraq. They’re just back from visiting over there. They both have been strong critics of the war, both worked in the prior administration; but now saying that they think there’s a possibility, indeed, that we could be successful.
The enthusiastic parroting of the Times’ op-ed by pro-war dead-enders such as McCain and Cheney is a quintessential example of how left-of-center experts like O’Hanlon and Pollack provide political cover for the president’s failing Iraq policy. The supposedly reasonable assessments of these two analysts have been enabling the right-wing since before the invasion of Iraq.
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Sorry, but go CHENEY yourself, McCain.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:03 pmDid McCain have a brain transplant or something?? This reminds me of The Manchurian Candidate!
July 31st, 2007 at 9:05 pmLet them have more soldiers. That way they can did themselves into an ever deeper hole.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:06 pmThis is exactly why O’Hanlon and Pollack (aka Boy Whores) and there op-ed were trotted out. Duh.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:08 pmWrite the story, quote the story. Shameless propagandists.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:09 pmOf course they are. It’s all a plotted strategy behind closed doors. If one thing this whole thing makes clear, it’s that the idea that the Brooking’s Institute is a Liberal think tank is completely false. Brooking’s only exists to set the limits of legitimate dissent according to the economic elite’s world view.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:10 pm“Look at the piece that appeared yesterday in The New York Times — not exactly a friendly publication —…”
I have got to learn this technique.
“I learned this from ThinkProgress — not exactly a friendly site —”
July 31st, 2007 at 9:10 pmI think I got deleted, but anyhoo…
I’m looking at Cheney on LKL and he looks sickly. Has lost weight. Looks a little frail and his voice sounds weak. Anyone else see that? Or is this just hopeful thinking on my part?
July 31st, 2007 at 9:10 pmClassic. The Thugs did exactly the same thing with Judy Miller in the lead up to the invasion of Iraq. Also the NY Times, which gives it an extra cachet. Now idiots like McCain can point to the Times rather than to bogus “research” by Republics. “I’m not the one saying this. It’s in the New York Times!”
What’s appalling is that it is so transparent and the media is still playing right along.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:12 pmwhy, oh why, are you lefties afraid of the truth?
Is winning this war really not a priority for you?
Well, as long as the rich get taxed.
BAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA
July 31st, 2007 at 9:12 pm“They both have been strong critics of the war… and … er, if I were honest I’d admit also strong supporters of the war…”
July 31st, 2007 at 9:13 pmCareful there, Candyce, we’re not supposd to wish ill health on war criminals and traitors, it’s bad form. Tony Snow is fading fast, although not fast enough.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:14 pmCC dEvil, winnign this “war” is not a priority for Bushco, it keeps the untaxed money flowing into their pockets. Lefties afraid of the truth? Cheney’s the one with all the secret meetings, the secret bunker, the secret lists. You’re just full of sh*t.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:16 pmOh, that was bad of me, ronjazz. I apologize. A little.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:16 pmMr 26% approval ( Commander Codpiece Bush ) and Mr 28% approval ( Darth Cheney ) think playing these bullshit assessments will influence 70% of America that already know Iraq is a fradulent war that is LOST with 100% blame to your Neocon cronies !
Sorry Asshats you are your shitty administration are toast and will go down in history as the biggest black mark in US history with Iraq as the biggest failure i
PS - McCain thinks he’s still in the running with all those lame ass GOP candidates.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:16 pmMcCain had more relevance when he was a guest of the Viet Cong.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:19 pmPole-axe and O’Hnadjob….the new Judy Millers of the Glorious Surge.
Wait until a year from now when we read the breathless accounts about how so many knew that the administration was lying and stretching the truth and how they would have come forward at the time, but were unable to.
Past is prologue.
-GSD
July 31st, 2007 at 9:21 pmCareful there, Candyce, we’re not supposd to wish ill health on war criminals and traitors, it’s bad form. Tony Snow is fading fast, although not fast enough.
Comment by ronjazz
Little passive aggressive there, ron.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:21 pmPole-axe and O’Handjob.
Let’s turn the management of this occupation over to them, shall we?
July 31st, 2007 at 9:22 pmjudy miller redux.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:25 pmMcCain hasn’t bowed out yet? He’s toast.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:25 pmMichael O’Hanlon has yet to read his own report. Perhaps McCain and Cheney should as well.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:27 pm“Is winning this war really not a priority for you?” - CeeCee
Which war did you mean?
Is it really not a priority for you to stop molesting goats?
July 31st, 2007 at 9:28 pmThe left has used stories in the NYTimes to justify pulling out of the war for over 3 years. Why should we discount the paper now?
July 31st, 2007 at 9:29 pmMcCain And Cheney are true humanitarians.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:30 pmThey will not give in to those who would prefer to see a full blown genocide (Radical-Islamists and Dems).
Oh, Philonous. That’s not even a good try. Surely you can do better.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:31 pmCheney doesn’t need to justify sh!t! He makes the rules, damn it!
… better?
July 31st, 2007 at 9:32 pmCheney doesn’t need to justify sh!t! He makes the rules, damn it!
… better?
Comment by Philonous — July 31, 2007 @ 9:32 pm
The truth shall set you free.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:35 pmThe left has used stories in the NYTimes to justify pulling out of the war for over 3 years. Why should we discount the paper now?
Comment by paul — July 31, 2007 @ 9:29 pm
Do not blindly trust any newspaper, especially on the opinion page.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:38 pmComment by WaltTheMan — July 31, 2007 @ 9:27 pm
What part of the report are talking about specifically?
Remember, the claim is that:
“we are finally getting somewhere in Iraq, at least in military terms,â€
July 31st, 2007 at 9:38 pmMcCain And Cheney are true humanitarians.
They will not give in to those who would prefer to see a full blown genocide (Radical-Islamists and Dems).
Comment by Philonous — July 31, 2007 @ 9:30 pm
Says the non-humanitarian that prefers the genocide brought on in Iraq by our presence. Why do you hate Americans and Iraqis so much - Mr. Pees on himself?
Even the Pentagon and CIA say that violence is fueled by our presence there - yet you insist the opposite. Get off your unicorn, loonie, and join the real world. One where an Op-Ed isn’t considered to be a ‘factual’ news story.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:39 pm“we are finally getting somewhere in Iraq, at least in military terms,â€
Comment by Philonous — July 31, 2007 @ 9:38 pm
Yeah it was the point where we invaded a country and occupied it. Since then our ‘policing’ actions have failed. Why? Because occupying a country isn’t a military affair when you don’t have sufficient troops to enforce a rigid zone of restrictions.
Mr. Pee, you’re a fool, as is the horde of chickenhawk fatalists that prefer to fail than to win anything properly.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:41 pmMr. Pee, you’re a fool, as is the horde of chickenhawk fatalists that prefer to fail than to win anything properly.
Comment by VotronIsASockPuppet — July 31, 2007 @ 9:41 pm
July 31st, 2007 at 9:43 pm————-
Hey, I’m not a liberal!
The left has used stories in the NYTimes to justify pulling out of the war for over 3 years. Why should we discount the paper now?
Comment by paul — July 31, 2007 @ 9:29 pm
Why discount over 3 years of reporting for one editorial?
July 31st, 2007 at 9:45 pmThe left has used stories in the NYTimes to justify pulling out of the war for over 3 years. Why should we discount the paper now?
Comment by paul — July 31, 2007 @ 9:29 pm
Judy Miller?
July 31st, 2007 at 9:48 pmThe NAZI propaganda machine was is in full mode firing on all cylynders.
And the smart good people were afraid of losing everyhting so they watched and listened and did nothing. Then they started spying on there neighbors. The lie was the truth and the truth was a death sentence. So they watched and listened and did nothing.
But that could never happen here could it? Not in AMERICA, could it?
July 31st, 2007 at 9:49 pmObviously some of the best Patriots money can buy.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:50 pmThe left has used stories in the NYTimes to justify pulling out of the war for over 3 years. Why should we discount the paper now? Comment by paul — July 31, 2007 @ 9:29 pm
That’s the problem with you wingnuts. You can’t distinguish acts of journalism, with acts of OpEds. The first requires the newspaper fact check and determine the story to be valid. The second just requires one of you wingnuts to be willing to lie, smear and make a fool of yourself. Much like your posts here.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:52 pmHey, I’m not a liberal!
Comment by Philonous — July 31, 2007 @ 9:43 pm
Your loss, and America’s.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:52 pmSurprise surprise. Have article written for you, with your talking points. Then use said article. When was this done before, hmmmm….
July 31st, 2007 at 9:56 pmI posted this comment in the ThinkFast thread, but it’s relevant here too, so here it goes:
Vice President Dick Cheney said he was wrong two years ago when he declared that the Iraq insurgency was in its “last throes.”
“It turned out to be incorrect,” Cheney said in an interview with CNN’s Larry King, the same interviewer to whom he made the statement in May 2005. “The insurgency turned out to be more robust.”
Cheney Says He Was Wrong About Iraq Insurgency in `Last Throes’
We finally get an acknowledgment (by someone in the White House) of a mistake and a recognition that things are not going so swimmingly in Iraq . Better late than never, I guess. Although he still stands by the president’s “surge”.
How can these people be so spectacularly wrong, so often, about so many things, and still pretend they know what they are talking about?
It boggles the mind…
July 31st, 2007 at 9:57 pmH & P:
“As two analysts who have harshly criticized the Bush administration’s miserable handling of Iraq, we were surprised by the gains we saw and the potential to produce not necessarily “victory†but a sustainable stability that both we and the Iraqis could live with.”
Why do H & P hate America?
July 31st, 2007 at 9:59 pmHow can these people be so spectacularly wrong, so often, about so many things, and still pretend they know what they are talking about?
It boggles the mind…
Comment by Gregor Samsa — July 31, 2007 @ 9:57 pm
It’s the Goebbels technique.
July 31st, 2007 at 10:00 pmO’H and P:
Why do O’H and P hate America?
July 31st, 2007 at 10:01 pmSorry for the duplication.
July 31st, 2007 at 10:01 pmComment by Gregor Samsa — July 31, 2007 @ 9:57 pm
At least Cheney is not pretending that he was right. In fact, it is a sign of moral integrity that he is openly stating that he was wrong about the “last throes” remark.
July 31st, 2007 at 10:04 pmIn fact, it is a sign of moral integrity that he is openly stating that he was wrong about the “last throes†remark.
Comment by Philonous — July 31, 2007 @ 10:04 pm
A sign of moral integrity? Don’t think so.
July 31st, 2007 at 10:06 pmMore O’H & P:
All we have to do is never leave, and everything will be fine.
July 31st, 2007 at 10:08 pmIn fact, it is a sign of moral integrity that he is openly stating that he was wrong about the “last throes†remark.
Comment by Philonous — July 31, 2007 @ 10:04 pm
Nope. That ain’t gonna fly.
July 31st, 2007 at 10:09 pmComment by Egreggious, Esq. — July 31, 2007 @ 10:06 pm
Remember, this is Cheney we’re talking about.
He could have just as easily claimed that he was right, despite evidence to the contrary.
July 31st, 2007 at 10:10 pm“WASHINGTON (AP) - House Democratic leaders are intent on sidetracking bipartisan attempts to change course in Iraq at least until fall, officials said Tuesday, rather than allow nervous Republicans to vote for legislation that lacks a troop withdrawal deadline.
Several lawmakers and aides said the goal was to deny members of the GOP rank and file a chance to proclaim their independence from President Bush by voting for a limited measure - after months of backing his policy in an increasingly unpopular war.”
So is this about the troops or not? Your reps dont seem to care much for the soldiers, rather they seem more than willing to use them as political pawns.
Good job dems, making full use of your mandate and the wishes of those Americans who supposedly want us out of Iraq.
July 31st, 2007 at 10:11 pmWhat the continuing escalation really means ( see image )
July 31st, 2007 at 10:11 pmhttp://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/7/31/201748/922
Comment by km4 — July 31, 2007 @ 10:11 pm
Ugh. That picture is burned into my soul. :-D
July 31st, 2007 at 10:15 pmThe stab in the back crowd are beneath contempt. I wonder if McCain has ever considered that his ordeal as a POW would have indefinitely extended had the same swine who maintained opponents of the Vietnam war were likewise guilty of stabbing our nation in its back. How any man could be so utterly corrupt in spirit boggles the mind.
July 31st, 2007 at 10:15 pmI admit it. I did Click to Enlarge.
*full body shudder*
July 31st, 2007 at 10:16 pm( see image )
Yeah, it’s kind of hard to miss.
So is that what counts as news over at the Kos?
July 31st, 2007 at 10:16 pmHe could have just as easily claimed that he was right, despite evidence to the contrary.
Comment by Philonous — July 31, 2007 @ 10:10 pm
What’s with the link?
July 31st, 2007 at 10:17 pmSo is that what counts as news over at the Kos?
Comment by Philonous — July 31, 2007 @ 10:16 pm
No, that’s a diary. Not news.
Duh.
July 31st, 2007 at 10:18 pmGood job dems, making full use of your mandate and the wishes of those Americans who supposedly want us out of Iraq.
Comment by Pizza the Hutt — July 31, 2007 @ 10:11 pm
Sounds like killing two birds with one stone to me.
July 31st, 2007 at 10:19 pmTwo clowns not fit for office, willing to justify our troops in harms way based on an Op-Ed.
Indict, Impeach, Convict
July 31st, 2007 at 10:20 pmPretty standard procedure -
July 31st, 2007 at 10:24 pm1. Write talking points.
2. Give to reporter in NY Times or WaPo.
3. Publish Op-ed
4. Fill the airwaves with administration officials discussing the article.
5. Mission accomplished
Comment by Zooey — July 31, 2007 @ 10:18 pm
Diary? I’m not hip to all this blogger jargon.
July 31st, 2007 at 10:25 pm“They both have been strong critics of the war, both worked in the prior administration; but now saying that they think there’s a possibility, indeed, that we could be successful.”
Again, I ask; Define success?
July 31st, 2007 at 10:25 pmSounds like killing two birds with one stone to me./I>
Rep. Neil Abercrombie, D-Hawaii, one of the sponsors, said in an interview that he was hoping for a vote before Congress begins a vacation at week’s end.
“The one thing that would actually advance the agenda would be to get a redeployment plan,” said Abercrombie, a self-described progressive who has voted for far stronger legislation, including a fixed troop withdrawal deadline.
In a challenge to his own leadership, Abercrombie said, “I would hate to be in a situation where the Democratic Party was trying to explain that it wants to score political points rather than end the war.”
July 31st, 2007 at 10:26 pmDiary? I’m not hip to all this blogger jargon.
Comment by Philonous — July 31, 2007 @ 10:25 pm
It’s one of the reasons I don’t really enjoy DailyKos that much.
I think just about anyone “in the club” can post a story. There’s a lot of silliness that gets published. You really have to sort out the chaff.
July 31st, 2007 at 10:31 pmPeople hate Congress more than Cheney
Why are you guys always so negative.
Lighten up already, be happy, life is great.
You don’t have enough votes
Clinton did it
Spineless Dems
Witch hunts
Investigate some Dems already
All those Democrats voted for war too
The WMD are in Syria
Over there, not over here
North, South, East, West of Tikrit
Aluminum tube centrifuges
No more than 6 months
Last Throes
Unknown Unknowns
They want to chop your head off
Mushroom clouds
Go with the Army you have, not the one you want
No civil liberties when your dead
Surge
Emboldening the enemy
He killed his own people
With us, or against us
Stay the course
Smoke em’ out of there holes
Shock and awe
Mobile weapons labs
Nigerian Yellow Cake
6 more months
Bring em’ on
July 31st, 2007 at 10:33 pmIn a challenge to his own leadership, Abercrombie said, “I would hate to be in a situation where the Democratic Party was trying to explain that it wants to score political points rather than end the war.â€
Comment by Pizza the Hutt — July 31, 2007 @ 10:26 pm
I’m not sure I get exactly what the plan here is. Is there actually an opportunity to end the occupation before the fall? Obviously, if that can be done, let’s do it. Is the withdrawal going to be delayed by this political move? Bush has got his veto pen out anyway.
I wouldn’t trade getting our troops home as soon as possible for making the Republicans look bad, but I’m not sure I see the either/or situation here. Not enough information or me not smart enough.
July 31st, 2007 at 10:37 pmthe wrong brothers got their 30 pieces of silver. of course they dont have the decency or conscience to follow judas’s example to the letter.
July 31st, 2007 at 10:38 pmWar is not rosy.
July 31st, 2007 at 10:39 pmMcCain knows that.
Hell let’s win this war.
War is not rosy.
McCain knows that.
Hell let’s win this war.
Comment by Locked in the Bone — July 31, 2007 @ 10:39 pm
we won the war. remember mission accomplished? now we’re just filling the pockets of republican businessmen with war profits while our soldiers die in the sand. republicans hate the troops.
July 31st, 2007 at 10:44 pmLet’s get the troops home, now. the Republicans couldn’t look any worse anyway. the whole world has seen their incompetence and treason.
July 31st, 2007 at 10:46 pm“Hell let’s win this war.”
Comment by Locked in the Bone
How? Shiv-ing the Kurds in the back, by covertly aiding Turkey’s invasion of northern Iraq?
Does that sound like winning to you?
Please explain?
July 31st, 2007 at 10:47 pmWar critics, my a$$!
July 31st, 2007 at 10:47 pmWhen the facts don’t fit, find a necolon to opine, then cite that as fact.
July 31st, 2007 at 10:50 pmWorks if you’re not real concerned about anything but the profits from war.
Bocked in the Lone can’t remember that we won what little war there was, after the jock and awe destruction of the infrastructure in Baghdad. The occupation, well, it ain’t quite so easy.
July 31st, 2007 at 10:52 pmKind of like what grandma said about relationships, easy to get into, not so easy getting out of.
Remember this talking point last week:
Last week: The surge hasn’t even begun yet!
This week: The surge has been successful beyond all expectations!
-GSD
July 31st, 2007 at 10:53 pmLast week: The surge hasn’t even begun yet!
This week: The surge has been successful beyond all expectations!
-GSD
Comment by GSD — July 31, 2007 @ 10:53 pm
Sometimes one week can make all the difference! :D
July 31st, 2007 at 10:55 pmMission accomplished at the time.
War was not close to being won because of incompetent and impatient leaders in Congress.
July 31st, 2007 at 11:02 pmWar was not close to being won because of incompetent and impatient leaders in Congress.
What a lame ass line of BS.
July 31st, 2007 at 11:11 pm“Mission accomplished at the time.
War was not close to being won because of incompetent and impatient leaders in Congress.”
Comment by Locked in the Bone —
That’s baloney. The war was never “won.” It merely shifted to an insurgency, as everyone with an ounce of intelligence predicted beforehand.
There was never a question that Saddam’s forces wouldn’t survive a toe-to-toe confrontation, and that they would go guerrilla in response to the US invasion. Go peddle your lamebrained assertions on a republican streetcorner - they’re still buying crazy…
July 31st, 2007 at 11:12 pmComment by Erroneous Philonous — July 31, 2007 @ 10:04 pm
Looks like mr peepee got himself a blog…
July 31st, 2007 at 11:13 pmThis war is un-winnable. That’s all there is to it.
Problem is, BushCo likes it that way, but pretends differently to the sheeple — you know who you are.
July 31st, 2007 at 11:14 pmWhat happened so quickly to O’Hanlon’s rosy outlook?
July 31st, 2007 at 11:19 pmThe east-coasters must be watching Jon & Stephen.
It’s quiet around here!
July 31st, 2007 at 11:19 pmMistress Z~ Yeah, eerily quiet, I’m afraid to mention the lack of trolls for fear of jinxing…! More Smores tonight, the two nieces are here to play with Miss Amber for an overnight!
July 31st, 2007 at 11:21 pm“What happened so quickly to O’Hanlon’s rosy outlook?”
A good Irish nickname: Rosy O’Hanlon.
July 31st, 2007 at 11:23 pmRUC,
I went out earlier and got some chocolate covered graham crackers. I couldn’t stand it anymore. The little girls can have all my marshmallows. Heh.
Wayne A. Schneider has a diary up on DKos. Check it out! Just look for his name. :)
July 31st, 2007 at 11:24 pmGood for the soul, them Smores, gotta go tend a fire, will check out Wayne’s blog tomorrow!
July 31st, 2007 at 11:26 pmHave fun, RUC!
July 31st, 2007 at 11:27 pmWhat happened so quickly to O’Hanlon’s rosy outlook?
Comment by Egreggious, Esq. — July 31, 2007 @ 11:19 pm
Hmmmm, I’m sure the news media will report this as heavily as they reported his optimism…..don’t you think? :D
July 31st, 2007 at 11:28 pmI think its a mistake to continue to refer to this as a war as it only creates more extremists. [My view]
The Freedom Operation cannot by won thru war. Remember this is a battle for the hearts and minds of the people. If they want Americans to leave they will have to stop fomenting terrorist actions, NOW, lay down their arms, NOW, forego their tribal warfare, NOW, and work together to secure their country, NOW, and make it productive, NOW.
America would be able to redeploy proudly and the Iraqi people could also be proud of their progress and their fledgling Democracy.
For Gods sake just do it.
Or as George says “They need to stop that sh_t”
July 31st, 2007 at 11:47 pmMistress Z~ Yeah, eerily quiet, I’m afraid to mention the lack of trolls for fear of jinxing…!
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¶¶You better knock knock knock on wood¶¶
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How are you today Ms Zehoovey =p
Plus Sgt Ripper a few others [And I helped!!] really hammered them for calling people Nazis and Stalinists earlier.
July 31st, 2007 at 11:58 pmMcCain is an old imbecile and Cheney is a monster.
McCain is supporting a paranoid dictator — Cheney–. Does McCain not know that Cheney is the shadow President? Bush is so stupid and ignorant that he cannot make any decision on his own. Cheney has been running the country since 2000.
The old coot from Arizona cannot call it quits. He is a very stupid man.
July 31st, 2007 at 11:59 pmPlus Sgt Ripper a few others [And I helped!!] really hammered them for calling people Nazis and Stalinists earlier.
Comment by Jeebus Khrist — July 31, 2007 @ 11:58 pm
What thread was that, JK? I really hate that name-calling — especially since they will whine like mad if someone calls them a name.
I’m doing well, catching up on some reading. How about you?
August 1st, 2007 at 12:02 amThe old coot from Arizona cannot call it quits. He is a very stupid man
Well I won’t comment on his intelligence as I’m trying to disprove the current hater mythology thats trying to rear it’s ugly head around about these parts.
But I have to give McCain a B for effort, even after what happened with his aide(s). Not that hes gonna win, but for being a tireless and energetic older guy.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:04 amI’m trying to disprove the current hater mythology thats trying to rear it’s ugly head around about these parts.
Comment by Jeebus Khrist — August 1, 2007 @ 12:04 am
It’s hard not to have some animosity for these folks who are tearing our country to shreds.
Zooey,
We’ve been just missing each other this evening. Do you happen to know Ms Luna?
August 1st, 2007 at 12:07 amI’m doing well, catching up on some reading. How about you?
Comment by Zooey
I’m good. I bought me a hoop-de from the auto auction for 400 bucks (88 Honda - Good MPG) and been changing belts, hoses, flushing radiator, fixing tailights. {Hotter than who’da thought it outside but we did get some rain later in the day)
Ennyhooo, it was on the Home Depot thread. http://thinkprogress.org/ 2007/ 07/ 31/ home-depot-dumps-oreilly/
August 1st, 2007 at 12:10 amAu contraire, DICK.
The New York Times has been VERY VERY friendly to your administration. Ditto The Washington Post.
So, go eff yourself, DIck.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:12 amIt’s hard not to have some animosity for these folks who are tearing our country to shreds. -Zehoovey }8@P
The media, I say, is resposible for alot of this group think projectionist hate speech we have been seeing/hearing, it’s hard not to get drug down into that old insulting rut.
Reminds me of years ago and a stint in AOL/MSN chatrooms.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:20 amDevil’s Advocate:
Not only that, but the 25th Amendment does not prevent Cheney from running for two more terms either ; )
August 1st, 2007 at 12:37 amspeaking of cheney and a little off the topic,i’ve just read a transcript from larry king’s interview - a lot of people here correctly predicted that king would be too soft - but i thought cnn were going to field e-mail and video questions to cheney from the public? - didn’t see any in the transcript - did i miss something?
August 1st, 2007 at 12:57 amThe left has used stories in the NYTimes to justify pulling out of the war for over 3 years. Why should we discount the paper now?
Comment by paul — July 31, 2007 @ 9:29 pm
When you portray two cheerleaders for the war as anti war we have the right to call BULLSHIT>
BULLSHIT!
August 1st, 2007 at 7:18 amIt is not about winning or losing, it is about how long you play the game. Follow the money. Blackwater USA, Haliburton, and scores of other contractors and sub-contractors making hundreds of millions and more do not get that money if we win, or if we lose, or if we just end it. They only continue to get the money if the war continues.
August 1st, 2007 at 9:04 amMcCain is a senile gasbag and Cheney is a monster. Who cares what these pieces of excrement say?
August 1st, 2007 at 10:15 amWhy do these bastards love war so much? What is in people that want to annilate everything in the world? I wish we could remove it from the DNA during conception.
August 1st, 2007 at 10:59 amThe only thing I can imagine moer pathetic than this will probably be next: “McCain And Cheney Use Some Guy’s Comment On Some Other Guy’s Blog To Justify Continuing Escalation”
August 1st, 2007 at 11:04 amAm I missing something here? Are O’Hanlon and Pollack some kind of gurus who have more credibility than anyone else? Did they get some inside information not available to anyone else who has gone there? Why are we getting all this “if THEY say it’s so, it MUST be true” chatter from the right?
I suspect that the ONLY reason why these two guys are getting a lot of press (not to mention the fawning by Cheney, et al) is because they somehow managed to market themselves as leftist war critics, despite the fact that nobody can find anything they wrote from that point of view, and PLENTY they wrote supporting the war.
August 1st, 2007 at 11:14 amThis is their standard Method of Operation, isn’t it.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:10 pmWho do you think payed those guys to write such an ignorant piece.
DUH!
August 1st, 2007 at 1:17 pmNaturally McCain would agree with them. They are telling him what he wants to hear. No matter how incomplete the report is. Michael Ware has spent the entire war in Iraq with little exceptions. He is the closest thing to Ernie Pyle this war has right now and I would believe his lying eyes before I would believe O’Hanlon and/or Pollock. He has at least been RIGHT more often than not. I can’t recall a time, but I don’t like to use absolutes. You can’t say that about them. Compared to Ware, they are gossip columnists.
August 1st, 2007 at 5:34 pmhey sounds like Times is back to good old day of Judith miller scan.
August 2nd, 2007 at 8:10 pm