Comments on: Murtha On O’Hanlon/Pollack Propaganda: ‘I Dismiss It As Rhetoric’ http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/murtha-ohanlon/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 05:20:24 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Megan http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/murtha-ohanlon/comment-page-2/#comment-3981801 Megan Thu, 02 Aug 2007 05:22:56 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/murtha-ohanlon/#comment-3981801 If O’Hanlon and Pollack think things are so peachy, why didn’t they stay, strap on a helmet and body armor and go fight with our troops? They are chickenhearted chickenhawks. If O’Hanlon and Pollack think things are so peachy, why didn’t they stay, strap on a helmet and body armor and go fight with our troops? They are chickenhearted chickenhawks.

]]> By: Probus http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/murtha-ohanlon/comment-page-2/#comment-3978604 Probus Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:32:59 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/murtha-ohanlon/#comment-3978604 Murtha is right what what O'Hanlon and Pollack have said is in fact war or surge propaganda. What they have said is untrue and doesn't not represent the reality on the ground in Iraq. The fact is that the surge has failed. We are losing more than a hundred soldiers a month in Iraq. More soldiers are dying of IED attacks. Iraqis continue to die. No political progress has been made. Murtha is right what what O’Hanlon and Pollack have said is in fact war or surge propaganda. What they have said is untrue and doesn’t not represent the reality on the ground in Iraq. The fact is that the surge has failed. We are losing more than a hundred soldiers a month in Iraq. More soldiers are dying of IED attacks. Iraqis continue to die. No political progress has been made.

]]> By: bogtrotters http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/murtha-ohanlon/comment-page-2/#comment-3978309 bogtrotters Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:10:57 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/murtha-ohanlon/#comment-3978309 During his Senate confirmation hearing today, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs nominee Navy Adm. Michael Mullen argued that without political and economic progress, “no amount of troops and no amount of time will make much of a difference” in the war in Iraq. “[P]rudence dictates that we plan for an eventual drawdown and the transition of responsibilities to Iraqi security forces,” he said. In questioning later, he conceded, “there does not appear to be much political progress” in Iraq. * * * Hm. Gosh, he must be one of those surrender monkey liberals. During his Senate confirmation hearing today, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs nominee Navy Adm. Michael Mullen argued that without political and economic progress, “no amount of troops and no amount of time will make much of a difference” in the war in Iraq. “[P]rudence dictates that we plan for an eventual drawdown and the transition of responsibilities to Iraqi security forces,” he said. In questioning later, he conceded, “there does not appear to be much political progress” in Iraq.
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Hm. Gosh, he must be one of those surrender monkey liberals.

]]> By: John Murtha http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/murtha-ohanlon/comment-page-2/#comment-3978087 John Murtha Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:14:20 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/murtha-ohanlon/#comment-3978087 I don’t know where they were staying, I don’t know what they saw.” I don't know and I don't care to know. We're losing, damnit. I've staken my reputation on it. I don’t know where they were staying, I don’t know what they saw.”

I don’t know and I don’t care to know. We’re losing, damnit. I’ve staken my reputation on it.

]]> By: myiq2xu http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/murtha-ohanlon/comment-page-2/#comment-3978062 myiq2xu Tue, 31 Jul 2007 18:08:37 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/murtha-ohanlon/#comment-3978062 O'Hanlon/Pollack didn't sell out - they were already owned by BushCo, lock, stock, and barrel. O’Hanlon/Pollack didn’t sell out – they were already owned by BushCo, lock, stock, and barrel.

]]> By: John Murtha http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/murtha-ohanlon/comment-page-2/#comment-3978027 John Murtha Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:59:28 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/murtha-ohanlon/#comment-3978027 I dismiss anything that disagrees with my myopic view of the world. I dismiss anything that disagrees with my myopic view of the world.

]]> By: Merlin http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/murtha-ohanlon/comment-page-2/#comment-3977991 Merlin Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:49:08 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/murtha-ohanlon/#comment-3977991 Comment by MrNeoNut — July 31, 2007 @ 1:25 pm <em>Mullen (a military commander) just destroyed the entire premise of O’Hanlon and Pollack. And I’m sure the pro-military wingnuts will stand behind this seasoned military expert - over the words of a couple of liberal reporters - right? Or we get to see more anti-military rhetoric from the wingnut hypocrites? Tell me SGT Higgins? How much do you hate the military? And Mullen?</em> You better rewrite this post and resubmit it. You make no sense at all: Mullen (a military commander) just destroyed the entire premise??? Liberal reporters??? Wierd Comment by MrNeoNut — July 31, 2007 @ 1:25 pm

Mullen (a military commander) just destroyed the entire premise of O’Hanlon and Pollack. And I’m sure the pro-military wingnuts will stand behind this seasoned military expert – over the words of a couple of liberal reporters – right?
Or we get to see more anti-military rhetoric from the wingnut hypocrites? Tell me SGT Higgins? How much do you hate the military? And Mullen?

You better rewrite this post and resubmit it. You make no sense at all:
Mullen (a military commander) just destroyed the entire premise???
Liberal reporters???

Wierd

]]> By: BARTLEBEE http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/murtha-ohanlon/comment-page-2/#comment-3977922 BARTLEBEE Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:29:39 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/murtha-ohanlon/#comment-3977922 Since Sgt Higgins is IN the military, I'd say he supports it more than you Mr NeoNut. Since Sgt Higgins is IN the military, I’d say he supports it more than you Mr NeoNut.

]]> By: MrNeoNut http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/murtha-ohanlon/comment-page-2/#comment-3977899 MrNeoNut Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:25:23 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/murtha-ohanlon/#comment-3977899 Mullen (a military commander) just destroyed the entire premise of O'Hanlon and Pollack. And I'm sure the pro-military wingnuts will stand behind this seasoned military expert - over the words of a couple of liberal reporters - right? Or we get to see more anti-military rhetoric from the wingnut hypocrites? Tell me SGT Higgins? How much do you hate the military? And Mullen? Mullen (a military commander) just destroyed the entire premise of O’Hanlon and Pollack. And I’m sure the pro-military wingnuts will stand behind this seasoned military expert – over the words of a couple of liberal reporters – right?

Or we get to see more anti-military rhetoric from the wingnut hypocrites? Tell me SGT Higgins? How much do you hate the military? And Mullen?

]]> By: Merlin http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/murtha-ohanlon/comment-page-2/#comment-3977891 Merlin Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:22:58 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/murtha-ohanlon/#comment-3977891 #51 Comment by SGT Higgins — July 31, 2007 @ 1:02 pm <em>What do you mean, ‘nothing there’??</em> LOL! You stole my line. Now, they aren't chickenhawks, are they?? Not these two Middle East Experts! Michael O’Hanlon and Ken Pollack, chickenhawks! Go figure! #51 Comment by SGT Higgins — July 31, 2007 @ 1:02 pm

What do you mean, ‘nothing there’??

LOL! You stole my line.

Now, they aren’t chickenhawks, are they?? Not these two Middle East Experts!

Michael O’Hanlon and Ken Pollack, chickenhawks! Go figure!

]]> By: SGT Higgins http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/murtha-ohanlon/comment-page-1/#comment-3977776 SGT Higgins Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:02:05 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/murtha-ohanlon/#comment-3977776 Does anyone have the military service record handy of these two pro war supporters? Comment by Merlin Sure, Here you go.....I've included it as an attachment. What do you mean, 'nothing there'?? Does anyone have the military service record handy of these two pro war supporters?

Comment by Merlin

Sure, Here you go…..I’ve included it as an attachment.

What do you mean, ‘nothing there’??

]]> By: Merlin http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/murtha-ohanlon/comment-page-1/#comment-3977759 Merlin Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:58:51 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/murtha-ohanlon/#comment-3977759 <strong>Does anyone have the military service record handy of these two pro war supporters?</strong> Does anyone have the military service record handy of these two pro war supporters?

]]> By: ForTruth http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/murtha-ohanlon/comment-page-1/#comment-3977755 ForTruth Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:58:28 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/murtha-ohanlon/#comment-3977755 The Haditha situation was horrific. If US Marines didn't do it, who did? The Haditha situation was horrific. If US Marines didn’t do it, who did?

]]> By: Merlin http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/murtha-ohanlon/comment-page-1/#comment-3977747 Merlin Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:57:18 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/murtha-ohanlon/#comment-3977747 #46 Comment by LibTeenie — July 31, 2007 @ 12:42 pm <em>At least these two guys went to Iraq and got some relevant data before they said what they did.</em> When you go to Iraq with preformed ideas, and with the express purpose of using your trip to confirm your preformed ideas, you don't get "relevant data" except that data that supports your position. It is a fact that these two guys are pro war supporters and have been vocal supporters from 2003. #46 Comment by LibTeenie — July 31, 2007 @ 12:42 pm

At least these two guys went to Iraq and got some relevant data before they said what they did.

When you go to Iraq with preformed ideas, and with the express purpose of using your trip to confirm your preformed ideas, you don’t get “relevant data” except that data that supports your position.

It is a fact that these two guys are pro war supporters and have been vocal supporters from 2003.

]]> By: Egreggious, Esq. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/murtha-ohanlon/comment-page-1/#comment-3977679 Egreggious, Esq. Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:42:28 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/murtha-ohanlon/#comment-3977679 <i>Comment by hellinabucket — July 31, 2007 @ 12:39 pm</i> Thanks, bucket. Well put. Comment by hellinabucket — July 31, 2007 @ 12:39 pm

Thanks, bucket. Well put.

]]> By: LibTeenie http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/murtha-ohanlon/comment-page-1/#comment-3977677 LibTeenie Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:42:06 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/murtha-ohanlon/#comment-3977677 At least these two guys went to Iraq and got some relevant data before they said what they did. So unlike Murtha who condemned the Haditha Marines based on nothing more than hearsay and before a trial had even been initiated. At least these two guys went to Iraq and got some relevant data before they said what they did. So unlike Murtha who condemned the Haditha Marines based on nothing more than hearsay and before a trial had even been initiated.

]]> By: hellinabucket http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/murtha-ohanlon/comment-page-1/#comment-3977667 hellinabucket Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:39:24 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/murtha-ohanlon/#comment-3977667 Page 15 of the Brookings institute report on Iraq shows the political benchmarks agreed upon the Bush administration and the Iraqi govt. There are 8 benchmarks on that page. Only addressing Sunni concerns, schedule provincial elections and getting the Sunnis to be more involved in the govt. has made progress. -Oil revenue sharing is still going nowhere. -Reversing de-Baathification (an actual benchmark) is a joke. The commitee involved with this hasn't even seen any documentation on this. When were these benchmarks set? -New election laws. None. - Disbanding militias. guess. If you answered none you are correct. - Plan of National reconciliation. same answer as above. So politically, there isn't sufficient progress. There isn't any reference to what steps will be taken to push these benchmarks. Anbar province has seen a drop in violent attacks from 25 to 4 a dy since the surge. Diyala province has seen an increase of 30% in violence attacks since the surge. Estimated strenght of insurgency nationwide (page 26) shows 5,000 at the end of 2003. March 2007 70,000 (Sunni only). It doesn't show AQ, shiite or other. Number of foreign fighters have stayed between 800 to 2,000 since April of last year. Very few in numbers but a note below states these foreign fighters make up close to 100% of the suicide bombers. Number of attacks a day have risen from 61.8 Feb-June 05 to 159.8 Feb to May 07. The list goes on and on. The posturing of these "journalists" on the MSM is for their own glory. The numbers show how this conflict has been blundered militarily and politically. Sad sobering reading this report is. I suggest anyone wanting to thump their chests and shout down any dissenters of the conflict read the report before engaging in a "debate". Page 15 of the Brookings institute report on Iraq shows the political benchmarks agreed upon the Bush administration and the Iraqi govt. There are 8 benchmarks on that page. Only addressing Sunni concerns, schedule provincial elections and getting the Sunnis to be more involved in the govt. has made progress.

-Oil revenue sharing is still going nowhere.

-Reversing de-Baathification (an actual benchmark) is a joke. The commitee involved with this hasn’t even seen any documentation on this. When were these benchmarks set?

-New election laws. None.

- Disbanding militias. guess. If you answered none you are correct.

- Plan of National reconciliation. same answer as above.

So politically, there isn’t sufficient progress. There isn’t any reference to what steps will be taken to push these benchmarks.

Anbar province has seen a drop in violent attacks from 25 to 4 a dy since the surge.

Diyala province has seen an increase of 30% in violence attacks since the surge.

Estimated strenght of insurgency nationwide (page 26) shows 5,000 at the end of 2003. March 2007 70,000 (Sunni only). It doesn’t show AQ, shiite or other.

Number of foreign fighters have stayed between 800 to 2,000 since April of last year. Very few in numbers but a note below states these foreign fighters make up close to 100% of the suicide bombers.

Number of attacks a day have risen from 61.8 Feb-June 05 to 159.8 Feb to May 07.

The list goes on and on. The posturing of these “journalists” on the MSM is for their own glory.

The numbers show how this conflict has been blundered militarily and politically.

Sad sobering reading this report is. I suggest anyone wanting to thump their chests and shout down any dissenters of the conflict read the report before engaging in a “debate”.

]]> By: Zooey http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/murtha-ohanlon/comment-page-1/#comment-3977657 Zooey Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:37:03 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/murtha-ohanlon/#comment-3977657 Why isn't the TP moderator smart enough to figure out when the banned trolls have returned? Maybe they have to <em>care</em> first... Why isn’t the TP moderator smart enough to figure out when the banned trolls have returned?

Maybe they have to care first…

]]> By: BARTLEBEE's Follower http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/murtha-ohanlon/comment-page-1/#comment-3977606 BARTLEBEE's Follower Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:26:51 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/murtha-ohanlon/#comment-3977606 Revolutionary Chairman BARTLEBEE, I am your loyal follower. I await your words of wisdom. What do you propoese to do about the Executive Order and these 2 Counter Revolutionary Reactionists? I await your words of wisdom great leader! Revolutionary Chairman BARTLEBEE,
I am your loyal follower.
I await your words of wisdom.
What do you propoese to do about the Executive Order and these 2 Counter Revolutionary Reactionists?
I await your words of wisdom great leader!

]]> By: Marcus Aruelius http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/murtha-ohanlon/comment-page-1/#comment-3977581 Marcus Aruelius Tue, 31 Jul 2007 16:22:05 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/murtha-ohanlon/#comment-3977581 <blockquote>Marcus, There is no debate. Our great Revolutionary Chairman Bartlebee has spoken! Comment by BARTLEBEE's Follower — July 31, 2007 @ 12:19 pm</blockquote> Yes - there isn't.

Marcus,
There is no debate.
Our great Revolutionary Chairman Bartlebee has spoken!

Comment by BARTLEBEE’s Follower — July 31, 2007 @ 12:19 pm

Yes – there isn’t.

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