Yes, these scholars were for the war in Iraq, as a good deal of both liberal and conservative lawmakers and intelligentsia were in March 2003. Tony Smith’s new book A Pact with the Devil offers an enormous amount of evidence for that fact, but they also have been critical of the handling of the war. If you look at both of their articles and books going back over the last two years, both O’Hanlon and Pollack have often criticized the Bush admin for handling the war.

http://www.brookings.edu/index/scholarwork.htm?show=all;scholar=O%27Hanlon*Michael*E.*

http://www.brookings.edu/index/scholarwork.htm?show=all;scholar=Pollack*Kenneth*M.*

It is certainly true that O’Hanlon and Pollack have advocated the U.S. stay in Iraq to the chagrin of some here and even to myself, but it is disingenuous to accuse these people of being nothing but schills for the Bush administration and not “war critics.”

Argue against the claims they make, but don’t resort to name-calling or conspiracy theory. It debases the left’s cogent arguments against continuing the war.

1) Insult the liberals (in an attempt to make liberals go on the defensive)

2) Claim that Liberals worship: Satan/Mao/Stalin/Osama Bil Laden/NAMBLA/etc

3) Accuse liberals of doing whatever it is that the right wing is accused of (”I’m not a hate monger, Liberals are hate mongers!!”)

4) Barrage the message board with nonsense messages, which endlessly repeat themselves (so that readers will give up reading the thread because it is too hard to wade through all of the garbage)

Kind of makes you wonder if they are all being paid….

Sorry, but Adolph Hitler wrote this to Gen. Gerhard Engel in 1941, only 4 years before his death: “I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so”

Look, Toliver, the Catholics and a number of Protestant churches from Germany have been trying to duck this compliance they had with Hitler and his “final solution” to wipe out the Jews for a long time now. Some people believe the Holocaust to simply be the culmination of centuries of pograms, forced expulsions, executions and torture dealt the Jews over the centuries in Europe, beginning with the original lie that it wasn’t really the Romans who executed their own Savior, it was the Jews. Yes, somehow, even though crucifying prisoners was their execution of choice, and they had done it to tens of thousands before, and tens of thousands after, this one special time, they decided to stand down and let the subjugated masses make the decision. It’s a big lie and it’s why Jews have been screwed for centuries.

I can’t get over how much he looks like Emperor Palpatine.

Grover Norquist had a portrait of Stalin over his desk for years. He and many neocons admire Stalin for the party discipline he imposed in the Soviet Union. So, this is just more silly projection from fact-challenged conservatives. Nobody of any note on the left has ever “worshipped Stalin.”

He’s a rube.

Anyone who’s studied the topic in the least would know Die Tausend Jahr Reich was literally identified by the Germans with the 1000 year reign of Christ. Many tried to identify Hitler himself as Christ, or a Messiah of sorts.

Germany was a Christian land, which anyone who knows the history of Germany knows (Hint to the trolls: Think Lutheran) and both catholicism and protestant churches thrived in Germany.

The fact that Hitler was a Christian is not historically in question.

He was a Christian. Just not a very good one.

OK, critical thinking – Hitler himself said he was a christian and you, someone else, say he wasn’t. We don’t know you, but we do have Hitler’s own writing – about himself.

On top of that, the critical issue with regard to being a christian these days is ALWAYS the words you say. The “born again” christian only has to say or “testify” in front of a congregation that he has “accepted Jesus as his personal savior” to become a christian. If he commits acts that are not what the congregation thinks are “christian,” all he has to do is say more words, in this case an apology, to retain his christian status. Nuns rushed to television cameras after Timothy McVeigh was executed to say he had apologized and was now in heaven. 168 dead against one apology taken by Nuns – simply words.

Comment by upright right — July 31, 2007 @ 1:45 pm

Well we’re supposed to beleive you guys are Christians just because you say you are.

If its gute enough for der Fuhrer its gute enough for you, right?

Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — July 31, 2007 @ 12:59 pm

He was a Christian because he said he was a Christian? Haven’t we been through this before? Ok, rip, say “I’m a Christian.” See, it didn’t work for you either. You aren’t a Christian any more than Hitler was. ;)

Because once a corrupt act is exposed in the light of day, good men will work to correct it.
Comment by BARTLEBEE — July 31, 2007 @ 12:00 pm

YES!!!
thank you…

except sometimes i think members of our gov
DO want us to talk about these things…
they need to know that we are behind those efforts…

not completely cynical… yet…
.

upright left: “Once again, rip, he was no more a Christian than you are. ;)”

Adolph Hitler: “My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter”

Adolph Hitler: “For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.”

Comment by BARTLEBEE — July 31, 2007 @ 11:29 am

nope…

i’m sure our congress is feeling the pressure also…

what to do?
…