Comments on: Rumsfeld to appear before Congress tomorrow. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/rumsfeld-to-appear-before-congress-tomorrow/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:39:51 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Left Coast Mike http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/rumsfeld-to-appear-before-congress-tomorrow/comment-page-3/#comment-3981525 Left Coast Mike Thu, 02 Aug 2007 03:48:22 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/rumsfeld-to-appear-before-congress-tomorrow/#comment-3981525 unlike the poisonous Bush, who can’t even walk among his own people. Comment by ronjazz The birds even shit on him when he ventures outside. ;) unlike the poisonous Bush, who can’t even walk among his own people.

Comment by ronjazz

The birds even shit on him when he ventures outside. ;)

]]> By: ipod http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/rumsfeld-to-appear-before-congress-tomorrow/comment-page-3/#comment-3980357 ipod Wed, 01 Aug 2007 15:48:34 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/rumsfeld-to-appear-before-congress-tomorrow/#comment-3980357 #4 Ready? Everybody nbow…. “I don’t remember, I don’t recall I got no memory of anything at all….” Repeat till hearing closes & have a nice day! That’s a theme song this admin could really get into . Comment by pwapvt — July 31, 2007 @ 8:12 pm ha!! - you called it!! - i'm watching rumsfeld right now and "i dont recall" is part of every so-called answer to the questions they are being asked.....but mind you,the questions are kind of strange and largely incomprehensible and relate to f**k all to do with tillman's death - is anybody else watching this and am i the only one who thinks none of it makes sense? - i mean,can any of these people ask a direct question? #4
Ready?
Everybody nbow….

“I don’t remember,
I don’t recall
I got no memory
of anything at all….”

Repeat till hearing closes & have a nice day!

That’s a theme song this admin could really get into .

Comment by pwapvt — July 31, 2007 @ 8:12 pm

ha!! – you called it!! – i’m watching rumsfeld right now and “i dont recall” is part of every so-called answer to the questions they are being asked…..but mind you,the questions are kind of strange and largely incomprehensible and relate to f**k all to do with tillman’s death – is anybody else watching this and am i the only one who thinks none of it makes sense? – i mean,can any of these people ask a direct question?

]]> By: greenpagan http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/rumsfeld-to-appear-before-congress-tomorrow/comment-page-3/#comment-3980314 greenpagan Wed, 01 Aug 2007 15:33:43 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/rumsfeld-to-appear-before-congress-tomorrow/#comment-3980314 Do you think anybody's going to plead the Fifth? I can hear the old crotchety Rummy complaining now: "This is a witch-hunt...!" Do you think anybody’s going to plead the Fifth?

I can hear the old crotchety Rummy complaining now: “This is a witch-hunt…!”

]]> By: Devil's Advocate http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/rumsfeld-to-appear-before-congress-tomorrow/comment-page-3/#comment-3980158 Devil's Advocate Wed, 01 Aug 2007 14:16:46 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/rumsfeld-to-appear-before-congress-tomorrow/#comment-3980158 Rumsfeld is anything but "Honorable". Rumsfeld is anything but “Honorable”.

]]> By: drew_ill http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/rumsfeld-to-appear-before-congress-tomorrow/comment-page-3/#comment-3980067 drew_ill Wed, 01 Aug 2007 12:58:37 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/rumsfeld-to-appear-before-congress-tomorrow/#comment-3980067 It should read: The "Honorable" Donald Rumsfeld Former Secretary of Self-Defense It should read:

The “Honorable” Donald Rumsfeld
Former Secretary of Self-Defense

]]> By: pete http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/rumsfeld-to-appear-before-congress-tomorrow/comment-page-3/#comment-3979739 pete Wed, 01 Aug 2007 04:30:51 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/rumsfeld-to-appear-before-congress-tomorrow/#comment-3979739 Bbaggins I'm not saying the whole unit would be involved and I'm not saying it wasn't a hit. That's not my area of expertise. However, there would have to be a chain between the "contractor" and the shooter. Unless the links in the chain have "disappeared" someone holds very dangerous secrets. G'night again. Bbaggins
I’m not saying the whole unit would be involved and I’m not saying it wasn’t a hit. That’s not my area of expertise. However, there would have to be a chain between the “contractor” and the shooter. Unless the links in the chain have “disappeared” someone holds very dangerous secrets.

G’night again.

]]> By: Willis From Different Strokes http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/rumsfeld-to-appear-before-congress-tomorrow/comment-page-3/#comment-3979737 Willis From Different Strokes Wed, 01 Aug 2007 04:29:36 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/rumsfeld-to-appear-before-congress-tomorrow/#comment-3979737 ________ Rumsfeld will make Gonzo seem honest! Can't wait for some more classic Rumsfeldian musing .... ________ ________

Rumsfeld will make Gonzo seem honest!

Can’t wait for some more classic Rumsfeldian musing ….
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]]> By: pete http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/rumsfeld-to-appear-before-congress-tomorrow/comment-page-3/#comment-3979726 pete Wed, 01 Aug 2007 04:22:37 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/rumsfeld-to-appear-before-congress-tomorrow/#comment-3979726 Barfly. Something is up with my ability to post. Until TP lets me post links I'll leave you with this. I've spent 26 years with a national ammunition manufacturer. My job is to produce the most accurate rifle ammo that money can buy. I also served 8 years in the U.S. Army including 2 years as a rifle instructor. I have taken innumerable animals including many with head shots. I referred you to the Kennedy film as an example of how much an unsupported head jerks when hit with a bullet. Standing or sitting makes no difference. When a bullet hits bone it doesn't penetrate until the neck has bent to, nearly, it's limit. This would shift the point of impact. Even if the rifle was held in a vice, the grouping described in this case would be impossible. I'll try posting further info tomorrow. G'night all. Barfly.
Something is up with my ability to post. Until TP lets me post links I’ll leave you with this. I’ve spent 26 years with a national ammunition manufacturer. My job is to produce the most accurate rifle ammo that money can buy. I also served 8 years in the U.S. Army including 2 years as a rifle instructor. I have taken innumerable animals including many with head shots.

I referred you to the Kennedy film as an example of how much an unsupported head jerks when hit with a bullet. Standing or sitting makes no difference. When a bullet hits bone it doesn’t penetrate until the neck has bent to, nearly, it’s limit. This would shift the point of impact. Even if the rifle was held in a vice, the grouping described in this case would be impossible. I’ll try posting further info tomorrow.

G’night all.

]]> By: bilbobaggins http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/rumsfeld-to-appear-before-congress-tomorrow/comment-page-3/#comment-3979725 bilbobaggins Wed, 01 Aug 2007 04:22:35 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/rumsfeld-to-appear-before-congress-tomorrow/#comment-3979725 oops. I said "they were not" and should have said "they were now" Typo. oops. I said “they were not” and should have said “they were now”

Typo.

]]> By: bilbobaggins http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/rumsfeld-to-appear-before-congress-tomorrow/comment-page-3/#comment-3979722 bilbobaggins Wed, 01 Aug 2007 04:21:44 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/rumsfeld-to-appear-before-congress-tomorrow/#comment-3979722 <em>The problem with a “hit” is that too many people, who may need to make a plea agreement, would have to have direct knowledge. I have a hard time believing that these guys would have enough mutual trust to try something so dangerous.</em> Pete - you are thinking that everyone who was there was in on the crime. That is not necessarily the case. One guy could have been responsible and have intentionally killed Pat Tillman. Then he could have put on a good act and convinced his fellow soldiers that it was an accident, he didn't mean to kill him. Then, the loyal soldiers would have helped him cover it up. Once they did that, they were not complicit in the crime and in as much legal jeopardy as the person who pulled the trigger. I am firmly convinced that this was a hit. I am equally convinced that if George Bush did not order Pat Tillman's death, he at least knew it was going to happen and that's why he is so desperately trying to cover it up. Pat Tillman had become a vocal critic of the Bush Administration and he was due home on leave before the '04 election. Bush was scared to death that Pat Tillman was going to talk to reporters and he knew that because of his fame, that the media would cover what he had to say. So, to all you trolls, if it turns out that Bush ordered Pat Tillman's death or was complicit in that he knew it was going to happen, will you still support Bush? The problem with a “hit” is that too many people, who may need to make a plea agreement, would have to have direct knowledge. I have a hard time believing that these guys would have enough mutual trust to try something so dangerous.

Pete – you are thinking that everyone who was there was in on the crime. That is not necessarily the case. One guy could have been responsible and have intentionally killed Pat Tillman. Then he could have put on a good act and convinced his fellow soldiers that it was an accident, he didn’t mean to kill him. Then, the loyal soldiers would have helped him cover it up. Once they did that, they were not complicit in the crime and in as much legal jeopardy as the person who pulled the trigger.

I am firmly convinced that this was a hit. I am equally convinced that if George Bush did not order Pat Tillman’s death, he at least knew it was going to happen and that’s why he is so desperately trying to cover it up. Pat Tillman had become a vocal critic of the Bush Administration and he was due home on leave before the ‘04 election. Bush was scared to death that Pat Tillman was going to talk to reporters and he knew that because of his fame, that the media would cover what he had to say.

So, to all you trolls, if it turns out that Bush ordered Pat Tillman’s death or was complicit in that he knew it was going to happen, will you still support Bush?

]]> By: Egreggious, Esq. http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/rumsfeld-to-appear-before-congress-tomorrow/comment-page-3/#comment-3979720 Egreggious, Esq. Wed, 01 Aug 2007 04:20:36 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/rumsfeld-to-appear-before-congress-tomorrow/#comment-3979720 <em>Comment by bilbobaggins — August 1, 2007 @ 12:15 am</em> I wondered if CC had just pulled that out of his a$$. I didn't question it at the time because the "Clinton did it too" thing is so ridiculous anyway. Comment by bilbobaggins — August 1, 2007 @ 12:15 am

I wondered if CC had just pulled that out of his a$$.

I didn’t question it at the time because the “Clinton did it too” thing is so ridiculous anyway.

]]> By: bilbobaggins http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/rumsfeld-to-appear-before-congress-tomorrow/comment-page-3/#comment-3979709 bilbobaggins Wed, 01 Aug 2007 04:15:00 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/rumsfeld-to-appear-before-congress-tomorrow/#comment-3979709 <em>"Gee billobaggins, where wuz your outrage when Clinton used the “Executive Privilege” ploy for a record number of times? (birds chirping) Comment by C.C.Deville "</em> Proof please. Since you said it, you must have a link to something that says that Clinton used Executive Privilege for a record number of times. I was unable to find a reference to the number of times Clinton used Executive privilege but I did run into this gem: <em> "Declaring that "absolutely no one is above the law," independent counsel Kenneth W. Starr said such a privilege "must give way" and evidence "must be turned over" to prosecutors if it is relevant to an investigation."</em> What do you say about that CC? “Gee billobaggins,
where wuz your outrage when Clinton used the “Executive Privilege” ploy for a record number of times?
(birds chirping)
Comment by C.C.Deville “

Proof please. Since you said it, you must have a link to something that says that Clinton used Executive Privilege for a record number of times.

I was unable to find a reference to the number of times Clinton used Executive privilege but I did run into this gem:

“Declaring that “absolutely no one is above the law,” independent counsel Kenneth W. Starr said such a privilege “must give way” and evidence “must be turned over” to prosecutors if it is relevant to an investigation.”

What do you say about that CC?

]]> By: pete http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/rumsfeld-to-appear-before-congress-tomorrow/comment-page-3/#comment-3979706 pete Wed, 01 Aug 2007 04:13:31 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/rumsfeld-to-appear-before-congress-tomorrow/#comment-3979706 testing testing

]]> By: RUCerious http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/rumsfeld-to-appear-before-congress-tomorrow/comment-page-3/#comment-3979637 RUCerious Wed, 01 Aug 2007 03:23:04 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/rumsfeld-to-appear-before-congress-tomorrow/#comment-3979637 They appear to be offering one general star from the scapegoat retired corps. That's a pitiful price for a soldier's life. They appear to be offering one general star from the scapegoat retired corps. That’s a pitiful price for a soldier’s life.

]]> By: GoTFreedumb? http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/rumsfeld-to-appear-before-congress-tomorrow/comment-page-3/#comment-3979634 GoTFreedumb? Wed, 01 Aug 2007 03:19:56 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/rumsfeld-to-appear-before-congress-tomorrow/#comment-3979634 RUCerious — J I believe you, But, I Think after the years gone by, Improvements could or have been made. you are right though, a burst of three rounds still pull the barrel up and to the right . But, not as much as the Older Version of Burst. I didn,t know that Burst was used in Vietnam, tell me more about it. I thought it just came out in the new M-16A2,s. RUCerious — J
I believe you, But, I Think after the years gone by, Improvements could or have been made.
you are right though, a burst of three rounds still pull the barrel up and to the right . But, not as much as the Older Version of Burst.
I didn,t know that Burst was used in Vietnam, tell me more about it.
I thought it just came out in the new M-16A2,s.

]]> By: Justice http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/rumsfeld-to-appear-before-congress-tomorrow/comment-page-3/#comment-3979630 Justice Wed, 01 Aug 2007 03:18:42 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/rumsfeld-to-appear-before-congress-tomorrow/#comment-3979630 hey Porky anyone who doesn't think they are "getting anything" out of the hearings CLEARLY did not watch the hearings. You need to turn of Limbaugh and Faux News and learn the facts YOURSELF and try thinking FOR YOURSELF, because you are dead wrong. There is such an incredible amount of evidence of incompetence, criminal activities and cronyism coming out of the hearings it boggles the mind. WATCH the hearings and stop being such a lemming and swallowing the lies and pay attention. You have a civic duty to THINK FOR YOURSELF instead of blindly following your leader cowering in fear. hey Porky

anyone who doesn’t think they are “getting anything” out of the hearings CLEARLY did not watch the hearings. You need to turn of Limbaugh and Faux News and learn the facts YOURSELF and try thinking FOR YOURSELF, because you are dead wrong. There is such an incredible amount of evidence of incompetence, criminal activities and cronyism coming out of the hearings it boggles the mind. WATCH the hearings and stop being such a lemming and swallowing the lies and pay attention. You have a civic duty to THINK FOR YOURSELF instead of blindly following your leader cowering in fear.

]]> By: barfly http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/rumsfeld-to-appear-before-congress-tomorrow/comment-page-3/#comment-3979629 barfly Wed, 01 Aug 2007 03:18:29 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/rumsfeld-to-appear-before-congress-tomorrow/#comment-3979629 It is equally impossible for two, or more shooters to hit such a target simultaneously. Another well known source of information on the nature of head shots would be film of Jack Kennedy’s assassination. Comment by pete Links? Kennedy's shot (s) was/were from behind, and he was in a seated position at impact. Are you saying that it is impossible for two shots to hit that closely when a person is on the ground, no matter the circumstances? Can you provide something to back it up? It is equally impossible for two, or more shooters to hit such a target simultaneously.

Another well known source of information on the nature of head shots would be film of Jack Kennedy’s assassination.

Comment by pete

Links?

Kennedy’s shot (s) was/were from behind, and he was in a seated position at impact. Are you saying that it is impossible for two shots to hit that closely when a person is on the ground, no matter the circumstances? Can you provide something to back it up?

]]> By: RUCerious http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/rumsfeld-to-appear-before-congress-tomorrow/comment-page-3/#comment-3979625 RUCerious Wed, 01 Aug 2007 03:14:18 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/rumsfeld-to-appear-before-congress-tomorrow/#comment-3979625 It was my experience with the M-16 in Nam that a burst of three rounds always pulled the barrel up and to the right such that a tight grouping of any sort was out of the question. This was something else. It was my experience with the M-16 in Nam that a burst of three rounds always pulled the barrel up and to the right such that a tight grouping of any sort was out of the question.
This was something else.

]]> By: Left Coast Mike http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/rumsfeld-to-appear-before-congress-tomorrow/comment-page-3/#comment-3979622 Left Coast Mike Wed, 01 Aug 2007 03:12:20 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/rumsfeld-to-appear-before-congress-tomorrow/#comment-3979622 The surge needs a Rumsfeld! Comment by C.C.Deville Yes...put him right out front with an American flag. The surge needs a Rumsfeld!

Comment by C.C.Deville

Yes…put him right out front with an American flag.

]]> By: GoTFreedumb? http://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/rumsfeld-to-appear-before-congress-tomorrow/comment-page-3/#comment-3979619 GoTFreedumb? Wed, 01 Aug 2007 03:08:51 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/07/31/rumsfeld-to-appear-before-congress-tomorrow/#comment-3979619 sorry, i am tired. can,t spell worth a damn. sorry, i am tired. can,t spell worth a damn.

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