ThinkFast: July 31, 2007
ThinkFast: July 31, 2007
“I’m a big fan of Al’s,” Vice President Cheney said yesterday, referring to Alberto Gonzales. He dismissed Senate Judiciary Chairman Patrick Leahy’s lack of trust in Gonzales as irrelevant. “I’ve had my differences with Pat Leahy,” Cheney said.
The Iraqi parliament adjourned yesterday for a month-long recess without passing key laws “concerning oil investment and revenue-sharing among regions, the re-integration of former members of Saddam Hussein’s Baathist regime into government, and provincial elections.”
65 percent: Number of people under the age of 30 who are “paying at least some attention to the 2008 presidential campaign,” according to a New York Times/CBS News poll. That number is up considerably from July 2003, when just “36 percent of those under age 30 were paying attention to the election.”
Federal prosecutors may have differed with their political bosses at the Justice Department over how aggressively to pursue fraud charges against the maker of the narcotic painkiller OxyContin. The NYT reports “higher-ups within the Justice Department appeared initially to favor a less aggressive approach to the case against OxyContin’s producer.”
The House yesterday passed four bills to “to improve counseling and care for the tens of thousands of military personnel returning from Iraq and Afghanistan with brain injuries and post-traumatic stress disorder.” One “requires the Department of Veterans Affairs to provideoutreach and mental health services to those who served in either campaign.”
The Federal Communications Commission will meet today to “set the rules for the government’s biggest auction of wireless airwaves, with Google Inc. fighting against carriers such as AT&T Inc. to force the winning bidders to open up the spectrum to more users.”
Former Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty has found a new home. He will be joining the law firm Baker & McKenzie “where he’ll work in the business crimes and investigations practice.” McNulty, who was embroiled in the U.S. attorney scandal, left the DoJ, citing “financial realities of college-age children.”
“The U.S. will hit its debt limit of nearly $9 trillion in early October, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson told Congress on Monday, and asked lawmakers to raise the limit ‘as soon as possible.’” Markos writes. “That’s your ‘fiscally responsible’ [conservatives] once again at work. Record deficits, record debts, record mismanagement of our nation’s fiscal health.”
And finally: UPI’s White House correspondent Helen Thomas is miffed at Garry Trudeau’s portrayal of her in one of his comic strips. One of the characters in the strip jokes that Thomas has “been here since the Truman administration! Some say she was Truman’s lover.” Thomas, who has been covering the White House since 1961, responded, “I wish he’d said I was Jack Kennedy’s lover.”
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““I’m a big fan of Al’s,†Vice President Cheney said yesterday, referring to Alberto Gonzales.”
Well, DUH! He’s the only reason that impeachment proceedings haven’t commenced on VPres. Cheney! Of COURSE VPres. Cheney is a big ‘ol fan!
July 31st, 2007 at 9:05 am“He dismissed Senate Judiciary Chairman Patrick Leahy’s lack of trust in Gonzales as irrelevant. “I’ve had my differences with Pat Leahy,†Cheney said.”
The only person in the world who is relevant to Dick Chaney is Dick Chaney. The hubris this person displays is simply amazing.
Impeach Chaney.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:06 am“I was born 80 years ago in a country called the United States of America and now I live in a Homeland - an expression we haven’t heard since Hitler.”
July 31st, 2007 at 9:08 am- Gore Vidal
“higher-ups within the Justice Department appeared initially to favor a less aggressive approach to the case against OxyContin’s producer.â€
July 31st, 2007 at 9:08 am_____________________________
…and users, such as Rush Limbaugh.
“The U.S. will hit its debt limit of nearly $9 trillion in early October, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson told Congress on Monday, and asked lawmakers to raise the limit ‘as soon as possible.’†Markos writes. “That’s your ‘fiscally responsible’ [conservatives] once again at work. Record deficits, record debts, record mismanagement of our nation’s fiscal health.â€
Ah those Borrow and Spend Republicans!!!!
They are not the party of fiscal conservatism, and they never have been. They will lower taxes, but they wont cut spending. So at some point you will have to pay for the borrowing that will ensue, which effectively makes those tax cuts, merely deferrals.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:09 am“The NYT reports “higher-ups within the Justice Department appeared initially to favor a less aggressive approach to the case against OxyContin’s producer.â€
Well, that’s a no-brainer. The Bush Administration has never met a corporation they didn’t like. They certainly would not side with the people over a corporation. This is the party of the “compassionate conservative”. The fact of the matter is that the current conservatives are “conservatives without conscience”, which happens to be the name of a book John Dean (former Nixon legal council) wrote. It’s a great book and if you read it, you will have a better understanding of the current conservative personality. It can be summed up with one word, “authority”.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:11 amEvery once in a while, I have to remind myself that things were not always as they are now. Looking back in history allows us to see the changes in a dramatic way whether they be good or bad.
Before the Republican Party was highjacked, it was very different than it is now. Consider the farewell address of the last true Republican president, WW II General Dwight D. Eisenhower. His words were prescient– if only they had been heeded.
http://www.massachusettsobserver.com/eisenhower.htm
July 31st, 2007 at 9:13 am#5…Ah those Borrow and Spend Republicans!!!!
Borrow (from Communist China)
Spend (on Illegal Oil Wars and No-Bid Contract)
Our children and grandchildren wil be working three jobs to pay back Communist China when they cash in their Treasury Bills.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:13 am“I wish he’d said I was Jack Kennedy’s lover.â€
And I wish no one had said anything about Helen Thomas loving anyone.
Number of people under the age of 30 who are “paying at least some attention to the 2008 presidential campaign,†according to a New York Times/CBS News poll. That number is up considerably from July 2003, when just “36 percent of those under age 30 were paying attention to the election.â€
July 31st, 2007 at 9:20 amI wonder how much of the difference is due to the difference in the phrasing. 4 years ago it was ‘paying attention’ now it’s ‘paying at least some attention’ also, was there actually any coverage yet at this point 4 years ago? There certainly hadn’t been elevently debates all ready like this year.
“65 percent: Number of people under the age of 30 who are “paying at least some attention to the 2008 presidential campaign,†according to a New York Times/CBS News poll. That number is up considerably from July 2003, when just “36 percent of those under age 30 were paying attention to the election.â€
And yet, does this mean that they will come out and actually vote this time? They better, or their butts might be drafted in the next war a Republican president gets us involved in.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:22 am“I was born 80 years ago in a country called the United States of America and now I live in a Homeland - an expression we haven’t heard since Hitler.â€
- Gore Vidal
Comment by Larry from C — July 31, 2007 @ 9:08 am
July 31st, 2007 at 9:26 am—
Man - you hit the nail right on the head. I don’t know why more people haven’t picked up on this. It scares the $hit out of me.
“The U.S. will hit its debt limit of nearly $9 trillion in early October, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson told Congress on Monday, and asked lawmakers to raise the limit ‘as soon as possible.’â€
There’s little point in teaching your children to be fiscally responsible, when the children running our country seem to think money grows on trees.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:28 am“The House yesterday passed four bills to “to improve counseling and care for the tens of thousands of military personnel returning from Iraq and Afghanistan with brain injuries and post-traumatic stress disorder.â€
Countdown to Bush finding his veto pen again.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:28 amWatch out now! Bush Admin says Iran is trying to buy fighter-bomber aiircraft from Russia that would be capable of delivering nuclear weapons!
Believe it or not!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291496,00.html
July 31st, 2007 at 9:33 amI sent this to TP last night, but apparently they didn’t think it relevant.
http://tinyurl.com/2858hu
It’s a good thing we have an infinite amount of money to throw around, or this might look fiscally irresponsible.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:33 amNothing like bad news to make my day!
July 31st, 2007 at 9:34 amThe optimism of this site is great!
Larry from C
“I was born 80 years ago in a country called the United States of America and now I live in a Homeland - an expression we haven’t heard since Hitler.â€
- Gore Vidal
That’s a scary, and powerful, quote.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:34 amWaitaminnit — we have a debt limit? But we can raise it whenever we want? How limiting is this limit, really?
Another record set — Bush’s legacy is growing.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:34 amHelen Thomas has more integrity than the rest of the press Corps put together.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:34 amWhy is everyone here upset?
July 31st, 2007 at 9:36 amWe are alive isn’t that important?
From the debt limit article:
Folks, remember this whenever a troll crows about how well the economy is doing, and how the Dow Jones is hitting record highs. It’s all a house built on sand, and the tide’s coming in.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:37 am“As Media Matters for America has previously noted, the (CBS) Evening News failed to report on Comey’s testimony at the time — during which the confrontation was first exposed — and, to date, still has not reported on it.”
Anyone who watches CBS and Katie Couric is NOT looking for news. She is empty headed and her bias is written all over her. CBS with Katie Couric is one small step from Fox Noise. Then there is ABC which is the non-cable version of Fox Noise. And then there is NBC which occasionally looks like a real news station, but not that often.
If we had real fair and balanced news in this country, George Bush would NOT be the worst President ever, because he never would have been President. And all this is happening because of Clinton signing the telecommunications bill that allowed almost free rein in media ownership.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:37 amAl is Darth and the chymp’s last line of defense. With him out, there’s no one to hide the crimes behind…
July 31st, 2007 at 9:37 amImpeach AG VO5
More of the wink, wink, nudge, nudge administration at work. Wink at the makers of OxyContin, outright laugh at the national debt, give a wink and a nudge to a “new” policy on torture (you know, the one where they don’t plan to go after anybody for ignoring it).
More bread and circuses, anyone?
July 31st, 2007 at 9:38 amAlf sez:
Some of us here have our sights set just a tad higher than mere existence, Alf.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:39 am#11 - “4 years ago it was ‘paying attention’ now it’s ‘paying at least some attention’ “Comment by squegeeboo — July 31, 2007 @ 9:20 am
I guess there’s no Paris Hilton coverage to distract the sheeple. ;-)
Actually, I think the only reason there is any coverage about the 2008 Presidential election is due to Pres. Bush being such a lame duck he’s irrelevant.
Well, make that “more irrelevant than he was in 2001!”
July 31st, 2007 at 9:39 amR U guys very depressed?
July 31st, 2007 at 9:40 amTell it to the living in iraq and New orleans. You sound like a simpleton.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:40 am“Nothing like bad news to make my day!
The optimism of this site is great!
Comment by Alf”
If you don’t like it here, then go over to Redstate.com. They will love you. Us liberals, not so much. If a liberal posts to their site, they do something that makes it so you can’t even read their site any longer. You end up with a blank page.
Question to the trolls: Why would redstate.com take measures to make sure that no one posts a dissenting view on their site. What are they afraid of?
July 31st, 2007 at 9:40 am65 percent: Number of people under the age of 30 who are “paying at least some attention to the 2008 presidential campaign,
And yet, does this mean that they will come out and actually vote this time? They better, or their butts might be drafted in the next war a Republican president gets us involved in.
Comment by Chris —â€
I would say that even if not as many actually vote, it probably bodes better for the Dems than the Repugs. That is a big change, from 36 to 65%. Overall, between the potential draft issue and the total Klusterf#ck this assclown BushCo krew has created, other than a few College Republicans, the younger tide has turned!
Plus, if you look at all the old white Repug candidates, and you are under 30, how would you even relate to them? They look like a bunch of bankers from a bad TV commercial.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:40 am#22 - “We are alive isn’t that important?” Comment by Alf — July 31, 2007 @ 9:36 am
For now.
That is, until VPres. Cheney and Pres. Bush decide to go to war with everyone else in the world because they all have WMD’s or some other lie they want to perpetuate.
Again.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:41 amWhy is everyone here upset?
We are alive isn’t that important?
Comment by Alf — July 31, 2007 @ 9:36 am
If your looking for mindless enthusism, I’d suggest visiting Disneyland.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:41 amHelen Thomas is a reporter with a sense of humor who represents what reporting used to be.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:41 amNow we have intimidated questioners, who simply report the answers with little or no background, and next to nothing in follow up. They are impressed with their own access and neglect their purpose.
Reporters today would rather report on cleavage, hair and anything easy to put into a headline without having to do any real journalism.
Their bosses are more concerned with profits. The people suffer.
TripMaster Monkey,
Look Bush sucks. Who cares!
Do you have a job?
Do you have Family?
Do you have friends?
Do you have your health?
That’s what counts.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:42 amCheer up and leave this echo chamber.
Life is beautiful!
look at all the old white Repug candidates
July 31st, 2007 at 9:42 amThe repukelickins would do better with a slate of Geico cavemen. And Tina.
Alf
R U guys very depressed?
Well some times I get depressed when teenagers can’t use full words. Don’t you know there is an obesity issue in America? Burn those extra calories, use all the letters in the word.
Democrat Soldier
July 31st, 2007 at 9:42 amActually, I think the only reason there is any coverage about the 2008 Presidential election is due to Pres. Bush being such a lame duck he’s irrelevant.
I think that’s part of it, but I think it’s also due to sites like utube, as well as all the blogs, and all the 24 hour news sites needing to cover something, generating extra interest.
No one here is depressed. You, however, do appear to be manic and self-deluded.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:42 amI firmly believe the Vice President thinks he is the reincarnation of John Adams.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:43 am#29 - “R U guys very depressed?” Comment by Alf — July 31, 2007 @ 9:40 am
Not really. Pres. Bush & VPres. Cheney only have 538 more days to screw the US and attempt tp destroy the Constitution. They can’t possibly do much more damage as they’ve already done.
No, I’m pretty happy! In fact, you might call me “gay”! ;-)
July 31st, 2007 at 9:43 amWhy is everyone here upset?
We are alive isn’t that important?
Comment by Alf — July 31, 2007 @ 9:36 am
You’re right. We’re alive. And that’s important. I’m sure the Jews in Nazi Germany were told the same thing.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:43 amMan - you hit the nail right on the head. I don’t know why more people haven’t picked up on this. It scares the $hit out of me.
Comment by muzz — July 31, 2007 @ 9:26 am
That was my reaction the first time I heard the phrase “Homeland security”… how… how… “Naziesque”. I’ve been a little surprised all along that more people haven’t reacted to it.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:44 am“The U.S. will hit its debt limit of nearly $9 trillion in early October”
http://brillig.com/debt_clock/
July 31st, 2007 at 9:44 amNovakula leaking more classified information?
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=21734
Subquestion: Aiding foreign regimes attack Kurdish minorities… anyone else having a sick sense of de ja vu?
July 31st, 2007 at 9:44 ammissmolly,
July 31st, 2007 at 9:46 amWhere are the concentration camps?
Giulliani si Italian.
Italians are Latins.
Comment by Alf
AND RUDEE is a girl, so they do have ONE non-old white dude!
July 31st, 2007 at 9:46 amCNN posted another global warming denier!
http://www.cnn.com/ 2007/ US/ 07/ 10/ fa.lundberg.qa/ index.html
You can email them at:
lsi@lundbergsurvey.com
July 31st, 2007 at 9:46 amThat’s what counts.
Cheer up and leave this echo chamber.
Life is beautiful!
Comment by Alf — July 31, 2007 @ 9:42 am
If you don’t like it here, you know where the door is.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:46 amThat doesn’t sound too happy. Are you really brimming with Joie de vie? Or are you really a hate-filled, pompus-assed, Rethuglican?
July 31st, 2007 at 9:47 am“Cheer up and leave this echo chamber.
Life is beautiful! Comment by Alf”
You know, Alf, my life is beautiful. But, there are many people on this planet whose life is not beautiful and it is all because of you and your ilk lead by your wonderful President. And I happen to care about those people and want to help make something happen so their life, if not beautiful, will be less difficult. You see, most liberals are not like you conservatives whose philosophy of life is “I got mine and to hell with you”.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:47 amThe Republic of Stupidity ,
I’m not a troll.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:47 amI’m a Marxist.
I believe that the people should control the means of production.
I believe in a 1 party state and no elections.
Alf…is that all the trolls have left–Why be angry? DOn’t worry–be happy! If you don’t know why people in this country might be a tad miffed at this point, then YOU need some help.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:48 am“I happen to care about those people”
Why?
July 31st, 2007 at 9:49 amThey don’t care about you!
goddammitpeople!!!
i can’t believe you have to respond to stupidity like an alf comment
when the stoopidity is blatently obvious and should stand on it’s own
AND BE IGNORED…
damn you are weak.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:49 am…
Ok guys, it’s time to cut Alf off Do you really want to allow a Republican troll to take over another thread. Ignore the ignorant soul.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:50 am#55 I’m not a troll.
I’m a Marxist.
I believe that the people should control the means of production.
I believe in a 1 party state and no elections.
Comment by Alf
WOW!! Other than the people controling the production, you have what you want, the BushCos deciding to not have a legal election in 2000 or 2004 has really worked out well for you, right?
July 31st, 2007 at 9:50 am“If you don’t know why people in this country might be a tad miffed at this point, then YOU need some help.”
Well of course people are angry.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:51 amIf the media 24/7 and depressed bloggers tell people that everything sucks, people think everything sucks.
As a Marxist I know about this.
It’s just that I’m not angry.
My life is good and I’m making good money!
Why, good morning to the TP community. Blueberry bagel, anyone?
July 31st, 2007 at 9:51 amwhen the stoopidity is blatently obvious and should stand on it’s own
AND BE IGNORED…
damn you are weak.
…
Comment by katy — July 31, 2007 @ 9:49 am
Yer gettin’ a little self-righteous, Katy…
July 31st, 2007 at 9:51 amthe team of computer experts from the UC system had top-of-the-line security information plus more time and better access to the voting machines than would-be vote thieves likely would have.
Comment by Larry from C — July 31, 2007 @ 9:10 am
Says who?
Why not assume hackers could get such information and could have more time?
Electronic voting machines are inherently vulnerable. Why do some insist on pursuing this technology?
The ancient Greeks invented democracy with potshards. Why can’t we do as well with paper and ink?
July 31st, 2007 at 9:52 am“The Iraqi parliament adjourned yesterday for a month-long recess without passing key laws “concerning oil investment and revenue-sharing among regions, the re-integration of former members of Saddam Hussein’s Baathist regime into government, and provincial elections.†”
by TP
So, I take it then that Democratic led Congress will not go into their August break, right?
If we use the same pathetic Liberal talking point that the Iraqi parliment is being irresponsible for going into a break, shouldn’t the same argument be used for our Congress for going into their August break while our brave soldiers are dying?
July 31st, 2007 at 9:52 amAlf = The Joker
July 31st, 2007 at 9:52 amI believe in a 1 party state and no elections.
Comment by Alf
Ok, brainiac, good luck with that. You might as well say you believe in the tooth fairy. Whoops! I mean the Easter Bunny, everyone knows the tooth fairy is real.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:52 amHate is self consuming.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:53 amYour hatred is turning you bloggeres into everything your against.
Totalitarian, Narrow minded jerks.
Comment by Alf — July 31, 2007 @ 9:51 am
‘The Joker’ has repackaged himself for the first time since…..well, yesterday.
I’m sorry, Joker, but your tenure on the troll faculty has long since been revoked.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:54 amAlf = The Joker
I’m not joking around.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:54 amI’m serious.
I go to all these blogs and just see anger hostility.
Life is too short enjoy it!
Alf sez:
Here’s one.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:54 amHate is self consuming.
Comment by Alf
If that were really true, you would have spontaneously combusted long ago.
Alf = The Joker
Comment by gummitch
It couldn’t be any more obvious, either.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:55 amSGT Higgins (H2O Expert) ,
July 31st, 2007 at 9:56 amLook at Cuba it’s a paradise!
The one party model works there very well.
Everyone is educated, provided healthcare and don’t have to work.
It’s a great model.
We should do it here.
Then everyone will be happy!
too fukin bad, tros…
you trooll feeders have ruined this blog.
get a f’n grip.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:56 am.
Please stop feeding Alf. I can see it now. He’s going to run over to redstate.com and brag that he took over a thread on TP and 90% of the posts were either his “witty” posts or responses by people he pissed off.
July 31st, 2007 at 9:56 amTripMaster Monkey,
July 31st, 2007 at 9:58 amWho’s in that concentration camp?
Has anyone gone there to find out who’s there?
.
Comment by katy — July 31, 2007 @ 9:56 am
Sorry we’re such a disappointment to ya… :(
July 31st, 2007 at 9:59 ambilbobaggins,
What did I do to upset you guys?
All I did was try to remind you the positives of life.
Being negative doesn’t result in much.
Also why name call me by calling me a joker.
July 31st, 2007 at 10:00 amI’m being serious and trying to give you a different perspective.
65 percent: Number of people under the age of 30 who are “paying at least some attention to the 2008 presidential campaign,â€
That number is up considerably from July 2003, when just “36 percent of those under age 30 were paying attention to the election.â€
The 65% doesn’t surprise me, but the 36 percent 4 months into a very controversial war does. I wouldn’t have been surprised if it were as high then as now. MAybe a little tapering off in the middle before gaining again, but 36%? I’m surprised.
July 31st, 2007 at 10:00 amComment by SGT Higgins
The draft and MAYBE Jon Stewart and S. Colbert have had something to do with it?
July 31st, 2007 at 10:04 amme too.
grow up… or act like it.
July 31st, 2007 at 10:07 am“The draft and MAYBE Jon Stewart and S. Colbert have had something to do with it?
Comment by upside00″
I think you hit the nail on the head with that one. Unfortunately that’s where my darling daughter gets her news. She lives a very busy life and has little time to watch TV, so she watches Jon Stewart to get her daily dose of what is going on in the world with a little humor thrown in.
I think that number should scare the hell out of the Republicans. That age group voted in much larger numbers in the 2006 election and I expect and even larger number will vote in the 2008 election.
Since these young people are watching Bush piss their future down the drain (financially and environmentally), I’m fairly sure that most of them will be voting for a Democrat.
July 31st, 2007 at 10:08 amIf you don’t like it here, you know where the door is.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity
__________________________
Maybe not.
My brain is flipping between the song “What’s it all about, Alfie” and images of the old TV show “Alf”. Either way, nothing there to debate and lots there to play with.
July 31st, 2007 at 10:10 amSGT Higgins
but the 36 percent 4 months into a very controversial war does.
It’s interest in the election, not the office itself. For the 2004 election, coverage didn’t ramp up until 2004 itself, or maybe late 2003, so there was no real interest in the election itself at this point back in ‘03
July 31st, 2007 at 10:10 amThe U.S. will hit its debt limit of nearly $9 trillion in early October
I wonder if that’s when we’re going to finally see the long-awaited attack on Iran…this administration has a tendency to time these sorts of things for distractive value.
July 31st, 2007 at 10:12 amWhy is my name now “null’
July 31st, 2007 at 10:13 am????????????????????????
Why is my name now “null’
????????????????????????
Comment by RUCerious
OOOOO!!! You’ve done it now. Gone and p!ssed off the TP moderators, huh?
P.S. Join the club. lol
July 31st, 2007 at 10:17 amYeah, sarge, at least they could make me Cpt. Null!
July 31st, 2007 at 10:18 amThis site is becoming infected with slithering, foul smelling fungi or mold.
It’s beginning to smell more like Troll dung everyday, while Admin does little to enhance posting security.
Damn, TP, you had a good thing going here, but letting Trolls hijack every thread is unacceptable.
Smirking Chimp, anyone?
July 31st, 2007 at 10:19 amA little morning humor - The Daily Show’s clip last night on the subpoena of Karl Rove and Miers/Bolton’s contempt of congress:
VIDEO -
July 31st, 2007 at 10:20 amhttp://beta.redlasso.com/ Community/ ClipPlayer.aspx?i=a58a28d3-cfcc-44c8-9b85-e9465a86a19a
Zimzone sez:
Already there, brother. Have you noticed how much higher the level of discourse is there? (Of course you have…else you would not be recommending it.)
It’s like going outside and taking in a lungful of fresh spring air after you just finished scrubbing the grill at a fast-food restaurant. ^_^
July 31st, 2007 at 10:23 amIt’s beginning to smell more like Troll dung everyday, while Admin does little to enhance posting security.
Damn, TP, you had a good thing going here, but letting Trolls hijack every thread is unacceptable.
Smirking Chimp, anyone?
Comment by Zimzone — July 31, 2007 @ 10:19 am
you cannot put ALL the blame on TP…
from what i see, the biggest problem is
July 31st, 2007 at 10:25 amTROLL FEEDERS.
.
My 2 cents about the trolls: I have noticed that in the short run paying any attention to them results in them hanging around, but most of them tend to drift away over time if we regulars debate when we can and whack them when we cannot. I, for one, intend to stay on TP and enjoy the interactions, troll droppings and all, rather than abandon it to the trolls and let them declare victory.
July 31st, 2007 at 10:26 amOk guys, it’s time to cut Alf off Do you really want to allow a Republican troll to take over another thread. Ignore the ignorant soul.
Comment by bilbobaggins — July 31, 2007 @ 9:50 am
Alf was probably sent because it’s obvious we haven’t been quietly enjoying our bread and circuses like obedient rabble.
July 31st, 2007 at 10:27 amMy 2 cents about the trolls: I have noticed that in the short run paying any attention to them results in them hanging around, but most of them tend to drift away over time if we regulars debate when we can and whack them when we cannot. I, for one, intend to stay on TP and enjoy the interactions, troll droppings and all, rather than abandon it to the trolls and let them declare victory.
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) — July 31, 2007 @ 10:26 am
And they’re so much fun to play with! Of course, you have to put up with a few eccentricities. Such as their idea of a witty rebuttal is an abrupt change of subject.
July 31st, 2007 at 10:29 amPLC, I applaud your stance, but yesterday’s nonsense on the Ellison thread was so disgusting, I had to leave for a few hours, just to get my blood pressure back under control. Yuck.
July 31st, 2007 at 10:30 ammissmolly, the bread was OK, but the circuses were WAY too salty.
July 31st, 2007 at 10:31 amNational debt chart - here’s your Republican “fiscal responsibility”
http://www.geocities.com/nullacct/index.html
July 31st, 2007 at 10:31 amPLC, I applaud your stance, but yesterday’s nonsense on the Ellison thread was so disgusting, I had to leave for a few hours, just to get my blood pressure back under control. Yuck.
Comment by RUCerious — July 31, 2007 @ 10:30 am
Yes, there ARE limits. The Keith Ellison thread is a good example. TP should have intervened on that one. I think of myself as a tolerant person, and I will fight for the right of anyone to come here and post their opinion, whether it agrees with mine or not. But my tolerance only goes so far. That was just plain thread-trashing.
July 31st, 2007 at 10:32 amdayaammmm, katy!
July 31st, 2007 at 10:36 amWake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning, or are you just nursing a killer hangover?
missmolly, thanks for you take. Seems like more and more TP is leaving the threads at the mercy of one or two namejacking/switching RNC operatives.
July 31st, 2007 at 10:38 amNot a good policy if TP wants to keep informed discourse at the forefront of their site.
RUCerious and missmolly
I did not read the Ellison thread, but I trust your judgments on its content. And, of course, there are limits and times when TP monitors should take action. I “do nuance”. I also don’t mind a fellow progressive suggesting that we cut off responding to a particular troll at a particular time but I don’t particularly take a demand to that effect very well.
July 31st, 2007 at 10:39 amnone of the above, doc
July 31st, 2007 at 10:41 amjust very sick and tired of the troll feeding…
it’s degrading and juvenille…
and it’s ruined TP for me and many…
US National Debt Clock
July 31st, 2007 at 10:43 amNational debt chart - here’s your Republican “fiscal responsibilityâ€
Comment by DM — July 31, 2007 @ 10:31 am
Here’s another chart, that goes back further:
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/history.gif
Please notice that the debt remained fairly constant until the mid-seventies, and began to rise a bit under Ford and Carter (probably due to the high inflation of that time).
Under 12 years of Reagan and Bush the elder (1981 to 1993), it skyrocketed. During the Clinton years (1993 - 2001), the rate of debt slowed, and even leveled off toward the end of Bill’s term. Then it took off again during Dubya’s watch, at a steeper rate than it ever has before. It’s fairly obvious which party is digging the hole.
“Tax and spend” versus “borrow and spend”. How much interest are we having to pay for the Repubs’ fiscal wizardry?
July 31st, 2007 at 10:44 amtru ~ thanks for the link, it’s been on my faves for a while now.
July 31st, 2007 at 10:45 amHmm…my last two posts didn’t make it through…interesting.
Perhaps we should repair to a more neutral forum to discuss this, missmolly, RUCerious, and others…
July 31st, 2007 at 10:46 amYou’re welcome, RUC.
BTW, I love your “surge” posts above. You are already on fire today.
July 31st, 2007 at 10:49 am:)
TP needs to make a correction.
July 31st, 2007 at 10:53 amHelen Thomas quit working for UPI when Messianic cult leader Sun Myung Moon bought UPI.
UPI has lost all of it’s credibility because of Moon’s ownership, much the same way the Wall Street Journal is going to when propagandist Rpuert Murdoch buys it. Murdoch is going to spend $5 billion for something that is immediatley going to be worth substantially less money as soon as he becomes associated with it.
And speaking of Murdoch, I’d bet my house that he is committing many crimes when it comes to where he gets the money to purchase all of his media holdings. I have a strong hunch he is cooking the books and is also involved in tax evasion. Perhaps someone should start looking into Murdoch’s funny money.
tru & TMM, unfortunately, got to get to work on a nasty data transfer project now… tata!
July 31st, 2007 at 10:53 amL8er, RUC…I should be doing some RL wok myself. ^_^
July 31st, 2007 at 10:55 amkaty is right.
Just because she has a straight forward delivery of her criticism, doesn’t mean she ought to get trashed.
We had a discussion yesterday about ignoring the trolls, and it was said that same trolls post clever lies that need to be addressed, but the inane trolls should be ignored.
Alf (The Joker) is a f*cking inane troll! He doesn’t deliver anything that resembles any sort of fact anyone would take seriously, but there we are with the blah, blah, blah, giving that idiot the attention he craves — and here we are pandering to it.
There. I just said the same as katy. Trash me.
July 31st, 2007 at 11:05 amI don’t think anyone would dare, Zooey.
;)
July 31st, 2007 at 11:06 amthank you, zooey…
out to mow for me…
yesterday i found that i’d forgotten to charge the battery…
and, of course, it’s hotter today…
g’day all…
July 31st, 2007 at 11:08 amGosh darn you, Zooey!
July 31st, 2007 at 11:24 amok… last time to try this… response to gummich @ 933am
there is a story about
Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-Manhattan) & Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-Forest Hills)
Two New York congressmen criticized a prospective deal to sell state-of-the-art weapons to Saudi Arabia, accusing the oil-rich country of exporting terrorism and acting against American interests.
[…]
Weiner and Nadler said they will introduce legislation to block the deal, highlighting that 15 of the 19 hijackers on Sept. 11, 2001, were Saudi citizens.
[…]
TP doesn’t like the story or the links… not sure…
July 31st, 2007 at 11:31 amGood Morning Lady Z, Trueblue, RUCerious, Katy and all….I agree with Katy and Lady Z…The troll problem and TP site problem’s are the reason for my absence…..Leaving you all for chore’s to do…Weed’s and laundry have my attention today….Blessings all
July 31st, 2007 at 11:32 amComment by Zooey — July 31, 2007 @ 11:05 am
Don’t worry, Zoo. As dean, I revoked tenure for Mr. Joker, and his troll salary ceased as of that date. The RNC troll department has yet to terminate his account, which he could access from any computer.
I have an office meeting with KKKarl today, so hopefully some light will be shed.
Good blessings.
July 31st, 2007 at 11:34 amkaty sez:
Careful, katy…this story involves questioning of the official mythology of nine-eleven, which is verboten here at TP.
July 31st, 2007 at 11:38 am“I was born 80 years ago in a country called the United States of America and now I live in a Homeland - an expression we haven’t heard since Hitler.â€
- Gore Vidal
Comment by Larry from C — July 31, 2007 @ 9:08 am
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Man - you hit the nail right on the head. I don’t know why more people haven’t picked up on this. It scares the $hit out of me.
Comment by muzz — July 31, 2007 @ 9:26 am
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It scares me too. I mean, what have we become?
We have a home that is partly defined by geography/land, and now people are calling it the Homeland!?
This is absurd!
July 31st, 2007 at 11:54 amComment by katy — July 31, 2007 @ 11:31 am
I agree with the Congressmen, in that I believe the weapons sale is wrong.
However, I do not feel that the 9/11 attack is a valid justification. The Saudis, as a nation, and the 15 Saudi hijackers should not be painted with the same brush.
July 31st, 2007 at 12:18 pmCareful, katy…this story involves questioning of the official mythology of nine-eleven, which is verboten here at TP.
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 31, 2007 @ 11:38 am
really?
i thought it was common - tho mostly ignored - knowledge
that most of the 9/11 hijackers were from saudi arabia…
this story is mostly about more WELFARE from US to one
of the wealthiest countries in the world…
not to mention that many of the “terrists” in iraq now
are from saudi arabia…
WTF???
July 31st, 2007 at 12:31 pm#116, it’s hard to paint the highjacker’s with a diffrent brush when all the paint on the brushes was supplied by the saudi prince and his wife….Baught and paid for my friend..Blessings,
July 31st, 2007 at 1:17 pmBoy! That looks like a fun crowd.
July 31st, 2007 at 1:21 pmBtw, is that Dick’s horse I see over Gonzo’s right shoulder?
OK, we all hate the trolls.
July 31st, 2007 at 1:23 pmSolution: Do not visit TP for a few weeks. Got to Crooks and Liars instead. Same stories (sometimes as much as 15 minutes later) and truly efficient troll removal.
It’s the market economy. TP will not take any action until it threatens their existence.
Bye…
What did we miss?
Er, how about an imminent impeachment resolution in the House for Torquemada?
July 31st, 2007 at 1:34 pm> shouldn’t the same argument
> be used for our Congress for
> going into their August break while our brave soldiers are dying?
ok, maybe you can tell me what “benchmarks” does the united states congress need to reach before we can declare victory in iraq?
I know the iraqi congress has one or two…
moron
July 31st, 2007 at 1:40 pmCheney also said he was a big fan of Donny Rumsfield just a week before Bush told him to resign. Maybe it’s an omen of things to come
July 31st, 2007 at 1:47 pmHi all.
I think I would get some agreement that the disruptive children have been particularly vile over the last few days. I, and others, have asked TP to take corrective measures and, it seems, we are seeing some positive results.
We, the users, have some responsibility as well. We need to avoid responding to abuse and threats with abuse and threats. That, along with some stricter supervision from TP, should quickly restore TP to the fun, if contentious, forum we all enjoy.
July 31st, 2007 at 2:22 pmhttp://americaphile.blogspot.com/
The US’s nuttiest RWer has screen shot of this post. Did he get permission first?
July 31st, 2007 at 8:34 pm.
ThinkProgress, you missed this one:
Vice President Dick Cheney said he was wrong two years ago when he declared that the Iraq insurgency was in its “last throes.”
“It turned out to be incorrect,” Cheney said in an interview with CNN’s Larry King, the same interviewer to whom he made the statement in May 2005. “The insurgency turned out to be more robust.”
Cheney Says He Was Wrong About Iraq Insurgency in `Last Throes’
We finally get an acknowledgment (by someone in the White House) of a mistake and a recognition that things are not going so swimmingly in Iraq . Better late than never, I guess. Although he still stands by the president’s “surge”…
July 31st, 2007 at 9:55 pmComment by theroachman — July 31, 2007 @ 8:34 pm
Thank you!
July 31st, 2007 at 9:59 pm