VoteVets launches Tillman petition.
By on Jul 31st, 2007 at 6:30 pm
VoteVets launches Tillman petition.
The White House refuses to release documents about Army Ranger Pat Tillman’s death, citing executive privilege. VoteVets asks that you sign a letter informing the President that this is not acceptable.
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Executive Privelege has no business in this affair unless the president was involved. And since he now says he was involved by claiming this, then he must be culpable in de-frauding the Tilman family.
July 31st, 2007 at 6:35 pmI just signed and so did 27 others in the span of less than a minute.
July 31st, 2007 at 6:37 pmThe executive privilege claim amounts to this: “I am the president, and I do whatever I want to do, the law (and morality, and ethics) be damned.”
Trolls like it. Trolls support it.
July 31st, 2007 at 6:38 pmWhat in the F*%K isn’t covered by executive privelege? The contents of my lunch-box?
July 31st, 2007 at 6:39 pmComment by VerbalKint — July 31, 2007 @ 6:38 pm
Perhaps a visit from me will change his mind.
Oh yeah…Nacho-rama.
July 31st, 2007 at 6:39 pmWhat the he11 does executive privilege have to do with this? And if it truly was friendly fire, why not release the documents? Oh, no – Pat Tillman was fragged and they don’t dare admit it.
July 31st, 2007 at 6:43 pmBREAKING NEWS……26,000 soldiers being sent to Darfur Region in Sudan. Why is the UN invading a sovereign, independent country? Please TP, jump all over the UN about this.
July 31st, 2007 at 6:45 pmWhat in the F*%K isn’t covered by executive privelege? The contents of my lunch-box?
Comment by chadwick
The contents are yours, but letting it be imported from China, where it was made with dangerous amounts of lead will be protected information if you request that. /snark
July 31st, 2007 at 6:47 pmThey will make someone down the chain the scapegoat, he will be demoted and take a cut in pay and the story will go away. This is what they always do. This is ridiculous. The longer it drags out the more likely ANY evidence or witnesses will be taken care of or handled.
July 31st, 2007 at 6:47 pmThis seriously IS just like a mob or syndicate.
Everyone be sure to sign and get everyone you know to sign also.
July 31st, 2007 at 6:49 pmAvenge me. Avenge me my fellow Americans. Show them the truth. The truth will set me free.
July 31st, 2007 at 6:50 pmComment by Wayne — July 31, 2007 @ 6:47 pm
Wayne, CT here.
I apologize if I offended your record of military service several days ago with the “un-American” question. You may not recall, but I do.
Good blessings, and thanks for the freedom.
July 31st, 2007 at 6:50 pmI apologize if I offended your record of military service several days ago with the “un-American†question. You may not recall, but I do.
Good blessings, and thanks for the freedom.
Comment by Nachos of Justice
Accepted.
July 31st, 2007 at 6:55 pmBREAKING NEWS……26,000 soldiers being sent to Darfur Region in Sudan. Why is the UN invading a sovereign, independent country? Please TP, jump all over the UN about this.
Comment by Eric
It’s about time that the genocide there is stopped. I say good for the UN FINALLY acting on this.
Why are you for continued genocide, Eric?
July 31st, 2007 at 6:59 pmSure – a petition is going to make the Dear Leader do something other than show them his middle finger.
July 31st, 2007 at 7:00 pmThis entire administration is up to their EYEBALLS in lies, corruption, deception and coverups. This has just got to be stopped! It ALL has to come out, be completely exposed and people need to be removed and held accountable for EVERY LAST STINKING dirty deed (and there are SO many to chose from).
This is our country and our Constitution we are talking about. In 2008 this won’t just all go away. It is the process they have distorted and dismantled. The process MUST be put back right again. Time to clean house. Now is the time to put it right. If we don’t fight to keep our democracy, we will lose it. It can happen.
This Tillman story has to move up to the top of the list along with two stolen elections and a war based on manufactured evidence and lies. They can’t sweep this under the rug and pretend it was nothing.
July 31st, 2007 at 7:01 pmI mean, if the president is using executive privilege for this, it is tantamount to admitting that he was involved (because he can only claim executive privilege on things that he is involved in). I don’t see any way that he could be involved in a “good” way with the apparent murder of a US soldier. Therefore, I find it highly likely that he was involved in a bad way (like an illegal way). This needs investigation. The Gonzo stuff doesn’t need investigation, it is well known that Gonzo doesn’t care about justice and is lying. This does need an investigation. HTF was the president involved?
Despite all the bad that Bush has done. I think that if the president ordered the assassination of a US soldier that was going to oppose him politically after said soldier’s tour had ended, THAT would be something that is so blindingly horrific that even the trolls would have to agree to impeachment.
Just for the record, do any trolls think it would be okay for a president to order the assassination of a US soldier for political gain? I’m not saying it happened. Right now, I’d put the odds well below 50%, but still. Just for future record, please trolls, say that you’d turn on Bush if he ordered the assassination of a US soldier for political gain.
July 31st, 2007 at 7:01 pmHey Wayne: So I assume you are for the US stopping the genocide in Iraq? Good for you. You make my point wonderfully.
July 31st, 2007 at 7:11 pm#
Police Find Body of 2nd Slain South Korean
Washington Post – 6 hours ago
By AMIR SHAH AP GHAZNI, Afghanistan — Police discovered the body of a second South Korean hostage in central Afghanistan, and the Taliban threatened Tuesday to kill more captives if their demands were not met by a new deadline.
Why doesn’t South Korean Christians just butt out of Afghanistan. The Taliban just wants to be left alone. The sooner the West leaves this area, the better off things will be. Think Communist has taught me this is so.
July 31st, 2007 at 7:12 pmEverything in HIS lunchbox is covered by EP. YOUR lunch box is going to be searched by the CIA, FBI and NSA without a warrant and then undergo “extrordinary rendition” to find out what else has been in the lunch box because of the MERE SUSPICION that the there might have been pita bread or hummus or falafel in there trying to kill the hot dog or the apple pie.
July 31st, 2007 at 7:14 pmDon,t you mean this?:
So I assume you are for the US to stop genociding the Iraqis? Good for you. You make my point wonderfully.
Comment by Eric — July 31, 2007 @ 7:11 pm
July 31st, 2007 at 7:16 pmHey Wayne: So I assume you are for the US stopping the genocide in Iraq? Good for you. You make my point wonderfully.
Comment by Eric — July 31, 2007 @ 7:11 pm
What point would that be, Eric? The US mission in Iraq was never to stop genocide. Try again.
July 31st, 2007 at 7:19 pmAmerica is commiting Genocide in TWO Nations.
Afganistan AND Iraq!
Probably more, I,m not SURE!
July 31st, 2007 at 7:19 pm
The Taliban just wants to be left alone.
July 31st, 2007 at 7:20 pmComment by Eric
Eric- to be left alone and to send heroin to the U.S., and kill all who disbelieve in their facist government. By the way, after they took over the last time, they said heroin was bad, but now its good to get money to kill disbelievers.
What point would that be, Eric? The US mission in Iraq was never to stop genocide. Try again.
Comment by verse18 — July 31, 2007 @ 7:19 pm
I’m kind of naive about this, but I wonder if the UN wouldn’t have more legitimacy in Irag than we do. I think Iraqis question our motives for being there, and that only inflames the violence.
July 31st, 2007 at 7:22 pmPlease TP, jump all over the UN about this.
Comment by Eric
Maybe UN soldiers will secure only the Oil Ministry, just like in Iraq 2003.
July 31st, 2007 at 7:22 pmHey Wayne: So I assume you are for the US stopping the genocide in Iraq? Good for you. You make my point wonderfully.
Comment by Eric
Sure, I am for stopping the killing in Iraq. You are the one calling it genocide there I noticed. While using Willy Pete on civillians in Falujha was a War Crime, not so sure about all the rest.
We need to redeploy imediately from that War started on a pack of lies and send the troops into Afghanistan and go after the real Al Qaeda.
July 31st, 2007 at 7:23 pmEric: “So I assume you are for the US stopping the genocide in Iraq?”
So, is THAT is why we’re there now. Thanks. The reasons keep changing so it’s kind of hard to keep up. Let us know as soon as possible when the reason changes again.
July 31st, 2007 at 7:24 pmLet us know as soon as possible when the reason changes again.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — July 31, 2007 @ 7:24 pm
We’ll never get any sleep.
July 31st, 2007 at 7:25 pmComment by Nachos of Justice — July 31, 2007 @ 6:50 pm
I’m glad you found him. :)
July 31st, 2007 at 7:34 pmSo trying to stop genocide in Sudan is good if it is by the UN, but trying to stop genocide in Iraq is bad if done by the US and it’s allies? I just want to try and understand the logical mind of liberals. It is very hard, but I’m making headway. All you have to do is be hypocritical and then explain to others that you’re not. I’m getting it. Thanks.
July 31st, 2007 at 7:38 pmSo trying to stop genocide in Sudan is good if it is by the UN, but trying to stop genocide in Iraq is bad if done by the US and it’s allies? I just want to try and understand the logical mind of liberals. It is very hard, but I’m making headway. All you have to do is be hypocritical and then explain to others that you’re not. I’m getting it. Thanks.
Comment by Eric — July 31, 2007 @ 7:38 pm
I really don’t know too much about this. I don’t know what kind of record the UN forces have in stopping genocide. I don’t know what techniques they use. There is a situation in the Sudan that needs a solution. What has been happening there was not working. On the other hand, the genocide in Iraq has actually erupted in the presence of the US military and has not subsided.
I do not know if the UN can stop the genocide in Sudan. If they can, perhaps they should also be invited into Iraq.
July 31st, 2007 at 7:42 pmI just want to try and understand the logical mind of liberals.
Comment by Eric
To do that Eric, you would have to understand the concept of logic.
July 31st, 2007 at 7:49 pmBy your posts, I do not think you even have a clue, sorry
Egreggious…..if you recall, they were invited into Iraq. They wanted to spend another 7 years deciding if Saddam really had weapons of mass destruction when ample evidence proved he had already used them in the form of poison gas on his own people. Saddam had also made a mockery of the UN resolutions and was emboldening other nut cases like Ahmadinejad of Iran. The UN is very reactive – they rarely do anything preventative as evidenced in their failure to keep Hezbollah out of Southern Lebanon. They are sometimes like the French soldiers in the Monty Python movie Holy Grail. Not a very good deterrent.
July 31st, 2007 at 7:50 pmNice try Wayne. You avoid the illogic I present and then Wayne the pot calls the kettle black. Clueless just became your middle name.
July 31st, 2007 at 7:52 pmEgreggious, Esq.
The UN is pretty pathetic when it comes to genocide. I doubt that they will be as effective as the USA is in Iraq.
July 31st, 2007 at 8:01 pmEric: “Egreggious…..if you recall, they were invited into Iraq. They wanted to spend another 7 years deciding if Saddam really had weapons of mass destruction when ample evidence proved he had already used them in the form of poison gas on his own people.”
No, the poison gas you are pointing out was used on Kurds in 1988. The UN Weapons inspectors were looking for any sign of a reconsituted weapons program in 2002 and couldn’t find any. Hans Blix, the UN Weapons Inspection Chief, said they needed a few more months of work, not 7 years. Bush went to Congress with a resolution saying he would attack Iraq as a last possible move after the Weapons Inspectors did their work. He also said he would come back to Congress with evidence of Saddam’s complicity in the 9-11 attack. Then, Bush told the inspectors to leave for their own safety, attacked Iraq and never went back to congress with legitimate proof of Saddam’s supposed part in 9-11.
That’s what happened, Eric. I don’t know where you get your history, but yours is a little distorted. Where, for example, did you get this “7 years” number?
July 31st, 2007 at 8:02 pmYou avoid the illogic I present
Comment by Eric
Yes, I do avoid, the illogic you present. That is all you present is illogic
July 31st, 2007 at 8:04 pmnow go Cheney yourself, dimwit.
The UN is pretty pathetic when it comes to genocide. I doubt that they will be as effective as the USA is in Iraq.
Comment by Philonous — July 31, 2007 @ 8:01 pm
I don’t know which way to take that comment.
July 31st, 2007 at 8:11 pm# Probe of attorney firings a ‘witch hunt,’ Cheney says
# General censured for Tillman ‘deception’
# U.N. OKs 26,000 troops for Darfur
# Doctors rip Gitmo treatment as unethical
http://rss.cnn.com/~r/rss/cnn_topstories/~3/139339036/index.html
http://www.hotsheet.com/
July 31st, 2007 at 8:16 pm
No, the poison gas you are pointing out was used on Kurds in 1988. The UN Weapons inspectors were looking for any sign of a reconsituted weapons program in 2002 and couldn’t find any. Hans Blix, the UN Weapons Inspection Chief, said they needed a few more months of work, not 7 years. Bush went to Congress with a resolution saying he would attack Iraq as a last possible move after the Weapons Inspectors did their work. He also said he would come back to Congress with evidence of Saddam’s complicity in the 9-11 attack. Then, Bush told the inspectors to leave for their own safety, attacked Iraq and never went back to congress with legitimate proof of Saddam’s supposed part in 9-11.
That’s what happened, Eric. I don’t know where you get your history, but yours is a little distorted. Where, for example, did you get this “7 years†number?
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper
Correct…
The UN is pretty pathetic when it comes to genocide. I doubt that they will be as effective as the USA is in Iraq.
Comment by Philonous
Yeah, Bush is a real MURDERER. I AGREE…
July 31st, 2007 at 8:31 pm#
BREAKING NEWS……26,000 soldiers being sent to Darfur Region in Sudan. Why is the UN invading a sovereign, independent country? Please TP, jump all over the UN about this.
Comment by Eric — July 31, 2007 @ 6:45 pm
WAY OFF TOPIC!!!!!
TOPIC IS:VoteVets launches Tillman petition.
July 31st, 2007 at 8:39 pm
T.P. For Crying out LOUD! STOP DELETING MY COMMENTS!
July 31st, 2007 at 8:40 pmYOU MAKE THE MATTERS WORSE!
Oh. is that Eric again? He hasn’t improved any, has he? Featherhead.
July 31st, 2007 at 8:52 pmI don’t know which way to take that comment.
Comment by Egreggious, Esq. — July 31, 2007 @ 8:11 pm
Whew….I thought it was just me….
July 31st, 2007 at 11:03 pmI do not know if the UN can stop the genocide in Sudan. If they can, perhaps they should also be invited into Iraq.
Comment by Egreggious, Esq. — July 31, 2007 @ 7:42 pm
Um… I think they refused to go.
July 31st, 2007 at 11:08 pmExecutive Privilege? I thought that was supposed to protect the vital national security interests of the United States! The use of this “privilege” does not extend to covering up a suspected murder. I hadn’t realized that the President was implicated in this matter, though his invoking of this privilege does seem to suggest he has something to hide. Why in the world would information regarding a friendly fire incident during the fog of war be protected under privilege of the executive office? Is there a precedent for this?
August 1st, 2007 at 1:39 am“Executive Privilege”, another expression for CBA (Cover Bush’s A…).
This country is run by freakish dictators (redundant, I know…).
August 1st, 2007 at 10:19 amThanks for posting this. Signed, sealed and (hopefully) delivered.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:45 pmsigned it.
righties lose – again.
gotta thank all the trolls, though, for venting their stupid here where it can keep me motivated, “steely” as the marines say.
every time i’m pissed at the trolls, i write my congressman and senator, using the very best grammar and etiquette, and urge them along the path to righty-abolishment.
thanks, righties – your loserdom is helping we the people save our country from ignorant thugs.
August 1st, 2007 at 4:26 pmThe question is what does the Bush administration have to hide with respect to the Tillman affair? As they said during the debate on warrantless wiretapping, if you’ve got nothing to hide, you’ve got no problem.
August 1st, 2007 at 5:21 pm