Ware: Surge Is Undermining ‘The Very Government That America Created’
Ware: Surge Is Undermining ‘The Very Government That America Created’
Last night, during his interview with Larry King, Vice President Cheney claimed that “the reports I’m hearing, from people whose views I respect, indicate that the Petraeus plan is in fact producing results.”
On Anderson Cooper’s show later in the evening, CNN Baghdad correspondent Michael Ware, who spoke live on a night scope camera while embedded with troops responded to “the vice president’s evaluation” of progress in Iraq, calling it “sleight of hand.” “Yeah, sectarian violence is down, but let’s have a look at that,” said Ware. “More than two million people have fled this country. 50,000 are still fleeing every month, according to the United Nations. So there’s less people to be killed. And those who stay, increasingly are in ethnically-cleansed neighborhoods. They’ve been segregated.”
“There is still no sense of unity. And without America to act as the big baby sitter, this thing is not going to last.” Watch it:
Ware also responded to Brookings Institution analysts Michael O’Hanlon and Kenneth Pollack’s recent New York Times op-ed offering a sunny appraisal of progress in Iraq, calling the report “very one dimensional.” “It doesn’t look at what’s been done to achieve this and what long term sustainability there is,” said Ware. “I mean, these guys unfortunately were only in the country for eight days.”
In order to achieve the small victories that O’Hanlon and Pollack cherry-picked for their column, America is actually undermining the Iraqi government, according to Ware. “What America needs to come clean about is that it’s achieving these successes by cutting deals, primarily, with its enemies,” he said.
“By achieving these successes, America is building Sunni militias,” said Ware. “Yes, they’re targeting al Qaeda, but these are also anti-government forces opposed to the very government that America created.”
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August 1st, 2007 at 12:03 pm“There is still no sense of unity. And without America to act as the big baby sitter, this thing is not going to last.â€
It might.
If the Iraqis stopped acting like big babies.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:05 pmYou know - I’m sure Michael Ware is somewhat biased in his opinions as he has been in the thick of it for the duration of this whole mess …
But with his candor and his direct opposition to the White House spin machine …
I’d be watching my back if I was embedded with our troops … His enemies could be more than he knows …
Good luck Michael Ware - keep up the honesty …
August 1st, 2007 at 12:08 pmPerpetual war is the hottest thing in BushCo Land — so this is really working for them.
Disgusting.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:09 pmIf the Iraqis stopped acting like big babies.
Comment by Philonous
Project much? What a fool believes…
Look in the mirror, and don’t expect people to kiss your ass while you’re busy killing their neighbors.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:09 pmI’d be watching my back if I was embedded with our troops … His enemies could be more than he knows …
Good luck Michael Ware - keep up the honesty …
Comment by Sn00t
Exactly!! Just ask Pat Tillman’s family about “accidental” friendly fire!
August 1st, 2007 at 12:10 pmGood luck Michael Ware - keep up the honesty …
Comment by Sn00t — August 1, 2007 @ 12:08 pm
He’s the only reporter I trust with Iraq War news. You’re right, Sn00t, I hope he fares better than Tillman.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:10 pmComment by Not Canadian — August 1, 2007 @ 12:09 pm
Hey, that’s Ware’s metaphor, not mine.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:11 pm>
SPILLED URINE ON ‘WARE’ THREAD!
EXPECT MASS AMOUNTS OF B.S. IN THE WAKE OF THE URINE SPLASH.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:12 pmMatt, fix your formatting…
August 1st, 2007 at 12:12 pmI’d be watching my back if I was embedded with our troops … His enemies could be more than he knows …
Comment by Sn00t — August 1, 2007 @ 12:08 pm
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August 1st, 2007 at 12:13 pmWhat are you insinuating, Sn0t?
“DOD and MNF-I cannot fully account for about 110,000 AK-47 rifles, 80,000 pistols, 135,000 items of body armor, and 115,000 helmets reported as issued to Iraqi forces as of September 22, 2005.”
http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d07711.pdf
August 1st, 2007 at 12:15 pmThe greatest thing America could do for Iraq is to humble itself and tell the world it made a great mistake invading it. Then ask for help. I assure you the rest of the world will respond when you put aside your pride. Instead the world sees Bush as an arrogant spoiled child playing bad with his toys.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:15 pmLet the Reichwing continue to chortle and extoll the ’success’ of the surge.
The more involvement we have in Iraq, the more it hurts them in ‘08.
(this assumes we actually get to have an election)
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August 1st, 2007 at 12:16 pmWhat are you insinuating, Sn0t?
Comment by Philonous
Trolls, the only thing they know how to do is ask questions.
Use that grey matter for something other than child porn, mmm-kay?
August 1st, 2007 at 12:17 pm#13 I assure you the rest of the world will respond when you put aside your pride. Instead the world sees Bush as an arrogant spoiled child playing bad with his toys.
Comment by michael
I agree, but that is not in the BushCo DNA, to ask for, or accept help. Just look at the millions offered for katrina when the US Government couldn’t handle the job. But they said “no Thanks”, we aren’t interested.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:18 pmWare has been discredited in the past as a Democratic partisan.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:19 pmVice President Cheney claimed that “the reports I’m hearing, from people whose views I respect, indicate that the Petraeus plan is in fact producing results.â€
The “Pretraeus plan”? I thought it was the geniuses at the American Enterprise Institute and the Pentagon that came up with the whole surge idea.
I guess if things go in the shitter over there, Dick can just say “Hey, wasn’t my idea”.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:20 pmThe greatest thing America could do for Iraq is to humble itself
Comment by michael — August 1, 2007 @ 12:15 pm
Humility is not an American ideal. Our wild west manifest destiny bullshit identity considers it to be a weakness rather than a virtue. If only…
August 1st, 2007 at 12:20 pm#17 Ware has been discredited in the past as a Democratic partisan.
Comment by Dr. Dog
OK, some facts and links, please.
And when was your last tour to Iraq or Afghanistan?
August 1st, 2007 at 12:22 pm“the reports I’m hearing, from people whose views I respect…”
The spin I’m hearing, from politicians whose views I don’t respect, indicates that the surge was yet another dishonest ploy from the very beginning.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:23 pmhttp://news.yahoo.com/ s/ ap/ 20070801/ ap_on_el_pr/ obama_terrorism_7
Obama wants to invaded Pakistan.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:23 pmWhat kind of crap “If the Iragis stopped acting like big babies”. Give me a break.
The Iragi people as well as the government, thanks us, but want us the hell out so that they can take care of their own business and try and put there country back together.
They want Al Qaida out, and are willing to fight them and get them out. The reason why Al Qaida is there is because of the American influence.
In my opinion the only reason why our troops who are in harms way is there in Irag is because the Bushies and their cronies want total control of the oil. It’s not about democracy but it’s about total power and greed.
The 30% or so people who support this mad regimen need to get their heads out of their asses and wake up before it’s to late.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:25 pmI know! Let’s invade Pakistan and set up a democratic government there!
August 1st, 2007 at 12:27 pmWe’ll get some purple ink, and everything will be happy ever after.
It absolutely IS undermining our government….James Madison warned us of this a long time ago….that war is the enemy of our freedom.
“Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few.”
We need to end this insane policy of using war as a tool to advance profits and power. Period.
Some further thoughts on this:
“Leaders Don’t Kill People…”
August 1st, 2007 at 12:27 pmhttp://www.populistamerica.com/leaders_dont_kill_people
Obama wants to invaded Pakistan.
Comment by chris
We want you to learn English. Your sentences hurt the eyes
August 1st, 2007 at 12:28 pmI guess if things go in the shitter over there, Dick can just say “Hey, wasn’t my ideaâ€.
Comment by Rick — August 1, 2007 @ 12:20 pm
That’s probably very close to the reason Dick phrased it that ways. The wording does tend to lead the unwary to think Petraeus came up w/ the plan and BushCo is just following, when it was actually the other way around. I doubt if it was a slip on Cheney’s part.
I find it disturbing that our “leaders” **cough… cough** are basing their foreign polcy decisions on the opinions of conservative think tanks and television shows like 24, which, incidentally, is a Fox product.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:28 pmYour sentences hurt the eyes
Comment by Wayne — August 1, 2007 @ 12:28 pm
Good one…
August 1st, 2007 at 12:28 pmIt’s not about democracy but it’s about total power and greed.
Comment by Aimee
Of course. If it was about democracy Bush wouldn’t be in bed with the Saudis and Musharraf. The former having been the origin of most of the hijackers and a current supplier of arms to the Iraqi civil war, the latter having forged a treaty with bin Laden that has allowed him to strengthen.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:29 pmOK, some facts and links, please.
And when was your last tour to Iraq or Afghanistan?
Comment by upside00 — August 1, 2007 @ 12:22 pm
Good call, upside00… if he’s going to make a specific claim like that, demand the proof!
August 1st, 2007 at 12:30 pmOK, some facts and links, please.
And when was your last tour to Iraq or Afghanistan?
Comment by upside00 — August 1, 2007 @ 12:22 pm
“Dr” Dog has been too busy buying his doctorate degrees.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:33 pmObama wants to invaded Pakistan.
Comment by chris
That’s not what I get from the speech at all. He is talking about going after Al Qaeda in Pakistan, in the border mountains, rather than chasing phantoms in Iraq. Not invading the Pakistani people.
My favorite part of the speech:
August 1st, 2007 at 12:33 pmI checked the NYTimes online about ten minutes ago. There’s a new story as of about noon EDT. The Sunni bloc in the Iraqi parliament has left the government, and at least 65 people in Baghdad have died in the concomitant violence. That’s progress all right.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:34 pmSaudis and Musharraf. The former having been the origin of most of the hijackers and a current supplier of arms to the Iraqi civil war, the latter having forged a treaty with bin Laden that has allowed him to strengthen.
Comment by Candyce — August 1, 2007 @ 12:29 pm
yea, o boy, and didn’t that one get swept under the rug…
i never understood the seemingly “oh well” attitude
when that story showed up… and quietly went away…
and shortly there after, the “news” that alqaeda is stronger…
August 1st, 2007 at 12:36 pmuhhh… heavy sigh…
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Bin Ladin and his allies know they cannot defeat us on the field of battle or in a genuine battle of ideas. But they can provoke the reaction we’ve seen in Iraq: a misguided invasion of a Muslim country that sparks new insurgencies, ties down our military, busts our budgets, increases the pool of terrorist recruits, alienates America, gives democracy a bad name, and prompts the American people to question our engagement in the world.
Comment by Candyce — August 1, 2007 @ 12:33 pm
Wow. I am still a bit on the fence with Obama but this may push me over. Pretty encapsulating. Does anyone know who he works with in terms of speech writers and response coaches. This is mighty good stuff.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:37 pmAnyone seen the letter to the Judiciary / Specter committee that the WH won’t send, but will let the DoJ?
August 1st, 2007 at 12:38 pmIknow! Let’s invade Pakistan and set up a democratic government there!
We’ll get some purple ink, and everything will be happy ever after.
All we need to do is elect Obama and this can be a reality.
He must be a democrat warmonger.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:39 pmCheney’s heart = Made in China
August 1st, 2007 at 12:40 pma misguided invasion of a Muslim country
He was talking about Afghanistan, so settle down.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:40 pmSunni bloc quits the Iraqi government. When the parliament reconvenes after the break, it will be an all shiite government with an autonomous Kurdish government to the north.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:41 pmJust read the NYT story in full. I oversimplified in my earlier comment. The Sunni Accordance Front, which has 44 seats of the 275 in the parliament, has carried through on their threat to withdraw the 5 Sunni ministers in the cabinet, making the government not much of a coalition (as well as not much of a government).
August 1st, 2007 at 12:41 pmLibteenieweenie must have crystal balls.
Obama would make a great president.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:42 pmOh B. Hussein Obama. How many boys have to die in Pakistan for your private little wars.
ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL
August 1st, 2007 at 12:42 pmAll we need to do is elect Obama and this can be a reality.
He must be a democrat warmonger.
Comment by LibTeenie — August 1, 2007 @ 12:39 pm
Meaningless comment. Nothing to reply to.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:43 pmThat’s not what I get from the speech at all. He is talking about going after Al Qaeda in Pakistan, in the border mountains,
August 1st, 2007 at 12:43 pmROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL, ROTFL
Comment by Happy Guy — August 1, 2007 @ 12:42 pm
This is just idiotic. DO NOT FEED THIS TROLL!!!
August 1st, 2007 at 12:44 pmI ask again why is the Happy Guy always ROTFLing? Nobody really does that do they? I have only ever seen one incident of a person literally ROTFL and they were super stoned.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:44 pmlower-case-chris was just trying to cause trouble…
probably didn’t read even the whole first sentence,
let alone this:
“Let me make this clear,” Obama said in a speech prepared for delivery at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars. “There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al-Qaida leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won’t act, we will.”
August 1st, 2007 at 12:46 pm…
and put the blame where it belongs…
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Libteenieweenie must have crystal balls.
Obama would make a great president.
Actually they are blown glass. Get it? Blown? Get it get it? Oh never mind, libs dont have a sense of humor.
Obama would make a great pres, except for his seeming proclivity to invade sovereign muslim nations.
You plan on voting for this warmonger?
Lets have a solidarity march to celebrate warmongering.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:46 pmComment by Candyce — August 1, 2007 @ 12:33 pm
Oh man, that is kick ass!
August 1st, 2007 at 12:46 pm#
That’s not what I get from the speech at all. He is talking about going after Al Qaeda in Pakistan, in the border mountains,
Comment by Piper — August 1, 2007 @ 12:43 pm
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I was recently listening to an ambassador from Pakistan who stated that they, the Pakistanis, have sent 85,000 troops to the border regions to “fight al-qaeda”. What I find interesting about this is that each time the US offers help in this effort, ie. advisors, spec-ops, air support, etc., the Afghan government states that such American intervention would actually be counter-productive to their efforts.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:47 pmMeaningless comment. Nothing to reply to.
Would your comment about not replying actually be a reply? Dont worry, be happy.
I see you guys have no prob with a democrat invading a muslim nation to destroy terrorists, Id think you would also be advocating an invasion of Iran to rid ourselves of Hezbollah.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:49 pmComment by lynn Lightfoot
I’m not going to be at all surprised if the parliament doesn’t reconvene next month. I’m going to predict that during the month-long vacation Maliki will be gone and the entire government will collapse. How on earth can Iraqis, who again today have undergone horrible violence and death, have any faith in their leaders? The divisions between the factions are just too great, and our military presence isn’t helping. Unfortunately, our diplomats, ie Rice, are simply absent from the discussion.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:49 pmLets have a solidarity march to celebrate warmongering.
Comment by LibTeenie — August 1, 2007 @ 12:46 pm
This person is just posting nonsense. DON’T take the bait. There is no there there, folks.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:49 pmLessee if I can remember this now.
Feed a cold, starve a fever, ignore a troll..
August 1st, 2007 at 12:50 pmRinse and Repeat…
Thanks for the Obama post Candyce. Obama is making a strong case for him to be the leader of this country.
Am I reading libteenie right? He’s against a president invading a muslim nation? Or is he just against a presidential candidate talking about getting back to the original conflict against those who attacked us?
As for libs having no sense of humor? You’ve been kept around so……..
August 1st, 2007 at 12:52 pmI see you guys have no prob with a democrat invading a muslim nation to destroy terrorists, Id think you would also be advocating an invasion of Iran to rid ourselves of Hezbollah.
Comment by TeenieWeenie
When did Hezbollah attack America, please? I missed that.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:52 pmThis person is just posting nonsense. DON’T take the bait. There is no there there, folks.
Nah, youre just having trouble understanding.
Im still waiting for a cogent answer why its ok for Obama to say he would invade a sovereign muslim nation to pursue terrorists.
Anyone anyone? Buhler?
August 1st, 2007 at 12:53 pmRepublic,
Re. Michael Ware — not the most impartial of correspondents:
http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ Michael_Ware#Life_and_career
Scroll down to “Controversies”
I know wikipedia is not the most accurate source, but doing voiceover on a propaganda film from the enemy? Who does he think he is, Michael Moore?
August 1st, 2007 at 12:53 pmI’m not going to be at all surprised if the parliament doesn’t reconvene next month. I’m going to predict that during the month-long vacation Maliki will be gone and the entire government will collapse.
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Comment by Candyce — August 1, 2007 @ 12:49 pm
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I wouldn’t predict that, but I don’t think you are far off the mark, especially with Maliki leaving. I will predict, however, that in September our MSM will ignore the near-collapse of the Iraqi government and be constantly reporting how well the surge is working. You notice they never seem to mention the end goal, that is, what the surge is supposed to accomplish?
August 1st, 2007 at 12:54 pmI’m not Obama. I cannot answer for him.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:55 pmWhen did Hezbollah attack America, please? I missed that.
They didnt but they did kill a few hundred U.S. Marines in 1983, as well as dozens of other hits against us and our allies. Is that good enough to warrant a counter-attack or should we just write them off?
August 1st, 2007 at 12:55 pmAm I reading libteenie right? He’s against a president invading a muslim nation?
Comment by hellinabucket
Maybe he’s trying to point out the hypocrisy in supporting a Dem who advocates that policy and excoriating a Repub who executed the same policy.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:56 pmYou notice they never seem to mention the end goal, that is, what the surge is supposed to accomplish?
Comment by Chris L
haha, yeah. It’s kinda like asking them what winning looks like. Crickets.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:56 pmI remember when Hezbollah attacked those Marines. And I remember the great Ronald Reagan’s response: Cut & Run.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:57 pmFollow the logic. Things are getting much better in Iraq, so let’s stay another 3 years? What? Ok if things are going well then we can leave.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:58 pmRight? Let’s at least reduce the troop level.
Comment by Cynicon Implant — August 1, 2007 @ 12:53 pm
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OK, what journalist do you trust who has been there as long as Michael Ware? Try to attack the message, not the messenger. Why do you think Ware is wrong? He lives, works, talks, and has gained the trust of our soldiers. If our government was worried he was alligned with the “enemy”, they would not allow him to have constant interaction with our troops.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:58 pmHaving said that, I won’t reply to any other comments you direct at me, and I will continue to point out the meaningless comments you make for others’ benefit.
August 1st, 2007 at 12:58 pmI remember when Hezbollah attacked those Marines. And I remember the great Ronald Reagan’s response: Cut & Run.
Comment by dim wit — August 1, 2007 @ 12:57 pm
Ahhhhh, memories…..of the great corpse puppet. :)
August 1st, 2007 at 1:00 pmAm I reading libteenie right? He’s against a president invading a muslim nation?
Not at all, Im just waiting to see your answer as to why a dem invading a muslim nation wont cause a rise in terrorism and terrorism recruiting, while you simaltaneously claim that is exactly what occurred in Iraq.
Heh, this should be good.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:00 pmWhere have we heard this before?
“What America needs to come clean about is that it’s achieving these successes by cutting deals, primarily, with its enemies,â€
Considering Duhhbya has Henry Kissinger whispering in his ear, this should come as no shock.
Henry’s track record shows that he has no problem cutting deals without regard to how many will die as a result.
Heckuva job, Henry.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:00 pmLibTeenie (the name he has for his penis, by the way) isn’t good at remembering Reagan’s “cut and run” strategy in 1983, nor can he remember Bush pulling troops out of Afghanistan as they closed in on Bin Laden, Bush’s best buddy, nor the same cut and run tactic Bush used in 2005, once again letting his good buddy escape. Republicans have never been able to defend this country, and are lousy on national defense and the economy. Any other viewpoint is either a lie or a serious character flaw. republicans, let’s don’t forget, are the same people that wanted to stay under the flag of England in 1776.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:01 pmMaybe he’s trying to point out the hypocrisy in supporting a Dem who advocates that policy and excoriating a Repub who executed the same policy.
Comment by Cynicon Implant
I don’t recall a lot of resistance to going after al Qaeda in Afghanistan. The country was pretty much behind the president on that one. So I don’t see the hypocrisy. The only thing Bush has been excoriated for is not finishing the job. They had Osama and chose not to pursue him.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:02 pmThey didnt but they did kill a few hundred U.S. Marines in 1983, as well as dozens of other hits against us and our allies. Is that good enough to warrant a counter-attack or should we just write them off?
Comment by LibTeenie — August 1, 2007 @ 12:55 pm
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I remember that. I do not support attacking Iran for that reason, however, anymore than attacking Israel for killing 173 American sailors. Not saying I wouldn’t like some payback, but you have to pick your battles - see General Omar Bradley’s remarks on invading China. Also, remember, we would have little to no allies in such a battle, against Hezbollah. Only three countries in the world recognize Hezbollah and Hamas as terrorist organizations, and I can’t remember the last time Israel helped us out with any troops, money, etc. So we would be “going it alone” so to speak.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:02 pmOK, what journalist do you trust who has been there as long as Michael Ware? Try to attack the message, not the messenger. Why do you think Ware is wrong?
Comment by Chris L
Chris, I guess I trust Ware’s report as much as many here trust O’Hanlon’s and Pollack’s report.
It’s tough to tell what the real story is in Iraq with all the agenda driven reporting going on, but my sense is that there is some progress being in the last few months. I’m still not sure whether this will end up being worth it in the end but right now does not seem to be the right time to advocate a withdrawal.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:04 pmChris L.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:05 pmGoing it alone. No coalition of the bribed third world nations>?
It’s tough to tell what the real story is in Iraq with all the agenda driven reporting going on, but my sense is that there is some progress being in the last few months. I’m still not sure whether this will end up being worth it in the end but right now does not seem to be the right time to advocate a withdrawal.
Comment by Cynicon Implant — August 1, 2007 @ 1:04 pm
Not trying to be a tool as it seems this is a thoughtful response. What is it that “gives you a sense”? Is it your “spidey senses that are tingling” or are their evidences you might point to to support your sense?
August 1st, 2007 at 1:08 pmWay….way….way off topic, but:
I ask again why is the Happy Guy always ROTFLing? Nobody really does that do they? I have only ever seen one incident of a person literally ROTFL and they were super stoned.
Comment by dbadass — August 1, 2007 @ 12:44 pm
Once, right after high school, at a party that had provided, ummmm, something herbal to put in a bong and inhale, I saw a dude laugh so hard, he was doing a Curly spin (from the 3 stooges) on the floor, for what seemed like an hour.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:08 pmMay have been one of the funniest thing I had ever seen.
…and then I ate a full bag of Doritos, and made philosophical references that made absolutely no sense, but that’s a different story.
I don’t recall a lot of resistance to going after al Qaeda in Afghanistan. The country was pretty much behind the president on that one. So I don’t see the hypocrisy. The only thing Bush has been excoriated for is not finishing the job. They had Osama and chose not to pursue him.
Comment by Candyce
Candyce, I think the admin. has been pretty clear that they felt all along that eliminating Osama would not eliminate the terror problem. Would have helped short-term and I wish they had done it — but he’s just one part of it.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:09 pmAll we need to do is elect Obama and this can be a reality.
He must be a democrat warmonger.
Comment by LibTeenies
God forbid Obama is actually smart enough to utilize our military and national intelligence correctly unlike our current Presidential administration.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:10 pmComment by DRxJ — August 1, 2007 @ 1:08 pm
Check out “A Child’s Garden of Grass”. It can be obtained on CD but I have vintage vinyl. Oh and that dude was my dad.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:11 pmBest-
I think the admin. has been pretty clear that they felt all along that eliminating Osama would not eliminate the terror problem.
Comment by Cynicon Implant — August 1, 2007 @ 1:09 pm
….and by that reasoning, one who commits a horrendous crime (let’s say rape) is not brought to justice because it will not end all rape crimes?
August 1st, 2007 at 1:12 pmThat makes no friggin’ sense!
Im still waiting for a cogent answer why its ok for Obama to say he would invade a sovereign muslim nation to pursue terrorists.
Comment by LibTeenie — August 1, 2007 @ 12:53 pm
If a US citizen does a terrorist attack in Russia and hides here, we would not want Russia invade now would we?
It is NOT OK for Obama, Clinton, Bush or anybody else to invade any sovereign nation to start a war for any reason other than when that soverign nation tries to or does attack the United States.
Almost all the Democratic and Republican candidates are war mongers, including the 3 front runners on each side!
I will vote for the Republican Ron Paul before I vote for any war mongering Democrat, like Obama, Clinton, Edwards, Biden, Richardson, and the rest (except for Kucinich and Gravel)!
Is that what you wanted to hear LibTeenie?
I usually do not feed the trolls, but even they like a broken clock can be right once in a while!
August 1st, 2007 at 1:12 pmObama would certainly do a better job than the current administration of Fred Flinstone and Ralph Cramden. Hell, Homer Simpson is smarter than Bush.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:13 pmt’s tough to tell what the real story is in Iraq with all the agenda driven reporting going on, but my sense is that there is some progress being in the last few months. I’m still not sure whether this will end up being worth it in the end but right now does not seem to be the right time to advocate a withdrawal.
Comment by Cynicon Implant — August 1, 2007 @ 1:04 pm
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I see. I agree with Ware. I spent 18 months in Iraq with the US Army, and I still have many friends there. Most of his reporting is spot on with what they tell me as well, and he interviews and quotes soldiers (or at least their PAO’s) quite often. I think most of the right-wing distrusts Ware because he does not tell them what they want to hear. In this day and age, that is the same as sedition.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:13 pmI get the feeling that I’m no longer a troll. My troll hairs are falling out, and I know see human-like features in the mirror. I’m still wondering, is that a nose?
August 1st, 2007 at 1:16 pmI feel the Michael Whare is the only person telling the truth about Iraq and Bahgdad; I hope that the administration goons are not sent to silence him.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:18 pmNot trying to be a tool as it seems this is a thoughtful response. What is it that “gives you a sense� Is it your “spidey senses that are tingling†or are their evidences you might point to to support your sense?
Comment by dbadass
Nah, spidey senses aren’t tingling at the moment — but I am typing this as I hang from the ceiling…
The casualty numbers over the last few months look encouraging (trending down). Have read some accounts from over there by a guy name Michael Yon that are pretty positive (if war can be positive).
http://www.michaelyon-online.com/ wp/ bread-and-a-circus-part-i-of-ii.htm
August 1st, 2007 at 1:21 pmIn this day and age, that is the same as sedition.
Comment by Chris L — August 1, 2007 @ 1:13 pm
Thanks for the link, Chris.
This is a good example of what this government has done to erode our freedoms. Talk about witch hunts!
August 1st, 2007 at 1:23 pmComment by Chris L — August 1, 2007 @ 1:13 pm
Thanks for your service to the country despite my lack of support for the mission you were tasked with
August 1st, 2007 at 1:24 pmI think most of the right-wing distrusts Ware because he does not tell them what they want to hear. In this day and age, that is the same as sedition.
Comment by Chris L
Well, sedition is a pretty tough charge. On Ware though — any “reporter” who isn’t skeptical enough to find out that the video was an enemy propaganda tape is not doing his job.
Have you read anything by this Michael Yon?
http://www.michaelyon-online.com/ wp/ bread-and-a-circus-part-i-of-ii.htm
BTW, thanks for your service to this country!
August 1st, 2007 at 1:25 pm“Last night, during his interview with Larry King, Vice President Cheney claimed that ‘the reports I’m hearing, from people whose views I respect, indicate that the Petraeus plan is in fact producing results.’ ”
I guess “people whose views I respect” = “people whose views support my agenda”
August 1st, 2007 at 1:25 pmMaybe you can show us where, exactly, Obama advocating invading any country.
Military action to take out suitable targets can be done without an invasion.
Life ain’t like Risk. Too bad neither you nor Bush seems to understand that fact.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:31 pmIraqi PM, Al-Maliki, has a Major problem on his hands and he may leave General Patreaus no other choice but to issue a FINAL report on September 15th, that many who support the Iraq war will find discomforting!
http://osi-speaks.blogspot.com/ 2007/ 08/ bad-day-for-iraqi-government-as.html#links
August 1st, 2007 at 1:32 pmMuslims have more respect for life than Cheney.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:35 pmThis is a good example of what this government has done to erode our freedoms. Talk about witch hunts!
Comment by Egreggious, Esq. — August 1, 2007 @ 1:23 pm
Wow. That’s a shocking article.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:39 pmGoing it alone. No coalition of the bribed third world nations>?
Comment by RUCerious — August 1, 2007 @ 1:05 pm
Cameroon’s got our back, yo!
August 1st, 2007 at 1:40 pmIn a way, we’re already in Pakistan:
“In recent months, outsourcing has been elevated to a whole new level. Forget about help desks and computer programmers. The Pentagon is now outsourcing its fighting men. The US army is renting out entire divisions of the Pakistan army. According to US assistant secretary of state Richard Boucher, the Pentagon is paying around $100 million a month for the deployment of 80,000 troops on its border with Afghanistan, ostensibly for the war on terrorism.”
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/rent-a-troop.html
August 1st, 2007 at 1:42 pmWow. That’s a shocking article.
Comment by Zooey — August 1, 2007 @ 1:39 pm
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It received about as much media coverage as this one.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:43 pmThis is a good example of what this government has done to erode our freedoms. Talk about witch hunts!
Comment by Egreggious, Esq. — August 1, 2007 @ 1:23 pm
Wow. That’s a shocking article.
Comment by Zooey
Indeed. Creepy beyond belief.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:44 pmr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How’s everything, man?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
August 1st, 2007 at 1:44 pm“The level of activity that we see today from a military standpoint, I think, will clearly decline. I think they’re in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency.”
–VP Cheney, 2005
“[T]he reports I’m hearing, from people whose views I respect, indicate that the Petraeus plan is in fact producing results.â€
–VP Cheney, 2007
Different year, same lies and distortions.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:45 pmComment by margaret — August 1, 2007 @ 1:42 pm
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Don’t forget, 86% of detainees in Guantanamo Bay were captured by Pakistani forces.
I’m off to lunch, be back later.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:45 pm>Maybe he’s trying to point out the hypocrisy in supporting a Dem who >advocates that policy and excoriating a Repub who executed the same >policy.
you mean the policy of “attacking a muslim nation which had nothing to do with 9-11″ vs. the policy of “attack a muslim nation which was deeply involved in 9-11″ ?
Iraq = a country with absolutely nothing to do with 9-11. in fact its leader was a secular dicator who distrusted religious fanatics. thats why we gave him weapons and gas to use on religious nuts in the 80’s.
Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia= Countries with deepl involvement in 9-11. im not.
> but doing voiceover on a propaganda film from the enemy?
its news moron….people should know the pointless meat grinder their sons + daughters are being shoved into.
are you prepared to condemn every news outlet that have ever showed a bin laden tape just like you do ware?
August 1st, 2007 at 1:48 pm[…] but right now does not seem to be the right time to advocate a withdrawal.
Comment by Cynicon Implant — August 1, 2007 @ 1:04 pm
It wasn’t the time right after the mission was “accomplished”.
It wasn’t the time right after it was obvious there were no WMD in Iraq.
It wasn’t the time right after Iraqis held their elections.
It wasn’t the time right after Hussein was executed.
Supporters of the occupation of Iraq keep moving the goal posts and crying “it is not the time to withdraw”. They are really advocating an occupation for the foreseeable future. The obvious question is: If not now, then when? (Now is just as good as any other time.)
August 1st, 2007 at 1:51 pmChris L,
When I read your link I looked up Donald Vance to see if he’d sued Rumsfeld yet as your link says he was planning to do. This was the most recent link I could find quickly:
“Vance, a two-time George W. Bush voter and Navy veteran”
“My name used to be 200343,” Vance said recalling his prisoner ID. “If they can do this to a former Navy man and an American, what is happening to people in facilities all over the world run by the American government?”
“‘In a lawsuit now pending against former Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and “other unidentified agents,’ Vance and Ertel accuse their U.S. government captors of subjecting them to psychological torture day and night.”
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/040907J.shtml
August 1st, 2007 at 1:51 pmIn this day and age, that is the same as sedition.
Comment by Chris L
More proof of the slide to fascism.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:52 pmChilling.
It received about as much media coverage as this one.
Comment by Chris L — August 1, 2007 @ 1:43 pm
Unbelievable….
August 1st, 2007 at 1:53 pmOf course, there never was a “right time” for an illegal invasion and occupation of iraq, either, but that didn’t even slow them down. What a bunch of sociopathic losers. The USA has devolved into a third-rate bully-boy country headed by psychopaths.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:53 pmOf course, there never was a “right time†for an illegal invasion and occupation of iraq, either, but that didn’t even slow them down.
Comment by ronjazz — August 1, 2007 @ 1:53 pm
This is worth repeating…
Just like there is no “right time” for a strike against Iran, and that doesn’t seem to hold them back either.
But it is always the “right time” to “appease” (to use the favorite NeoCon word) those BinLaden-lovin’ Pakistani allies in this phony “war on terror”.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:56 pmSupporters of the occupation of Iraq keep moving the goal posts and crying “it is not the time to withdrawâ€. They are really advocating an occupation for the foreseeable future. The obvious question is: If not now, then when? (Now is just as good as any other time.)
Comment by Gregor Samsa — August 1, 2007 @ 1:51 pm
Actually, now is pretty bad. Politics aside, it’s not possible to withdraw now. The chaotic situation we’ve created makes it physically impossible for us to remove large numbes of troops and equipment from Iraq, and if we do, the reduced troop numbers who remain in the country waiting for their turn to redeploy will be at greater risk of attack.
You’re right. We will be occupying for the forseeable future. We’re stuck there whether we want to withdraw or not.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:56 pm>The casualty numbers over the last few months look encouraging
>(trending down).
For who? The iraqi people our prescense is supposed to be protecting?
Its going up, actually.. So less of our people are putting themselves out there to protect the iraqi people.. what other explanation for the rise is civilian deaths???
invaders can make thier casualities numbers drop anytime they want.. just put less bodies out in the line of fire….
oh no, wait this administration is too honest to cynically manipulate casualty figures to try and makes thier surge seem to be working..
and Micheal Yon.. a former special forces soldier with no journalism experience.. nice source your citing there..
August 1st, 2007 at 1:56 pmComment by margaret — August 1, 2007 @ 1:51 pm
Thank you, margaret.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:57 pmillegal invasion?
Comment by ronjazz — August 1, 2007 @ 1:53 pm
The US congress authorized it.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:57 pmThe US congress authorized it.
Comment by r — August 1, 2007 @ 1:57 pm
It was still illegal under international law.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:59 pmProgressive policies provide for a strong, unified America.
August 1st, 2007 at 1:59 pmillegal invasion?
Comment by ronjazz — August 1, 2007 @ 1:53 pm
The US congress authorized it.
Comment by r — August 1, 2007 @ 1:57 pm
the us congress is a bunch of traitors, especially leahy, conyers, and schumer.
to the hague!
August 1st, 2007 at 1:59 pmThis also highlights why Miliki is calling for Petraeus to be removed. The Saddam loyalists that we are arming to fight al Qaeda is indeed and enemy of the Miliki government.
Cutting deals is nothing new and there is nothing wrong per se with cutting deals. You just have to make sure the the positives are greater than the negatives, both short term and long term. These deals appear to have some short term positives that are more than offset by long term negatives.
Today we learn that the Sunni block is resigning from the Miliki government. Earlier the al Sadr block resigned from the government. At this point I don’t see where Miliki has a majority government any more. In most Parlimentary governments a new election would be forced. Who knows how this will play out in Iraq, however.
August 1st, 2007 at 2:00 pmMeta-Progressive ™ policies provide for a strong, unified America.
Comment by Nachos of Justice — August 1, 2007 @ 1:59 pm
August 1st, 2007 at 2:00 pmThat’s better.
Rawstory:
Pelosi: Spying compromise with Bush may pass this week
WTF?
Instead of impeaching for breaking the law and violating the Constitution, Pelosi is pulling a Spector and
placatingkissin the a$$ of the Chimp of Thieves?What Party is Pelosi with again?
August 1st, 2007 at 2:00 pmComment by Philonous — August 1, 2007 @ 1:59 pm
Government oversight is critical to success.
August 1st, 2007 at 2:01 pmGovernment oversight is critical to success.
Comment by Nachos of Justice — August 1, 2007 @ 2:01 pm
what does government oversight have to do with killing radical muslims?
August 1st, 2007 at 2:02 pmComment by Philonous — August 1, 2007 @ 2:00 pm
“Meta-progressive” has no meaning, signifies nothing.
August 1st, 2007 at 2:02 pmComment by Philonous — August 1, 2007 @ 2:00 pm
“Meta-progressive†has no meaning, signifies nothing.
Comment by Nachos of Justice — August 1, 2007 @ 2:02 pm
neither does “progressive”
August 1st, 2007 at 2:03 pmWe’re stuck there whether we want to withdraw or not.
Comment by toasterhead — August 1, 2007 @ 1:56 pm
And my argument is -with all due respect- that this take on the situation is bogus. The US chose to get “stuck there”. This administration can choose to get “unstuck”.
If a withdrawal from Vietnam was possible -where an even larger number of troops were committed- a withdrawal from Iraq is certainly feasible.
August 1st, 2007 at 2:03 pmToday we learn that the Sunni block is resigning from the Miliki government. Earlier the al Sadr block resigned from the government. At this point I don’t see where Miliki has a majority government any more. In most Parlimentary governments a new election would be forced. Who knows how this will play out in Iraq, however.
Comment by DallasNE — August 1, 2007 @ 2:00 pm
I predict we will see a loose federation of Iraqi Emirates in a year or two.
August 1st, 2007 at 2:03 pmthat OBAMA quote is all over the news… well, XM left…
listening to ed schultz, he’s all over it, loving it…
so far not one caller is against what obama said:
“There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al-Qaida leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won’t act, we will.”
…
August 1st, 2007 at 2:04 pm115. The US congress authorized it.
August 1st, 2007 at 2:04 pm* * *
Based on cooked intel. From an Administration incapable of telling the truth.
Comment by Philonous — August 1, 2007 @ 2:02 pm
The point, you troll, is that the congress should have wider role in running a complex war than one person, this case being an inbred.
August 1st, 2007 at 2:05 pmComment by Philonous — August 1, 2007 @ 2:03 pm
This entire site, attached to the Center for American Progress, tells you what it signifies. It signifies a new America.
Do you want to be part of the new America, or do you want to remain a pastime?
August 1st, 2007 at 2:08 pmThe US chose to get “stuck thereâ€. Comment by Gregor Samsa — August 1, 2007 @ 2:03 pm
———
hypothetically, even if your assumption is correct, it makes no difference.
if one chooses to jump into a pit of quick sand, he is still stuck there and will have to struggle to get out.
August 1st, 2007 at 2:08 pm“There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al-Qaida leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won’t act, we will.â€
Dem, Rep, whatever. They know US citizenry too well: Fear = Perpetual war = profits for a bunch.
August 1st, 2007 at 2:08 pmWhere have all the Sunnis gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the Sunnis gone?
Far, far away
Where have all the Sunnis gone?
August 1st, 2007 at 2:08 pmAll resigned, every mother’s son…
When will we ever learn?
When will we ever learn?
The US congress authorized it.
Comment by r
Oh, then that makes it ok. Now I can sleep.
August 1st, 2007 at 2:10 pmif one chooses to jump into a pit of quick sand, he is still stuck there and will have to struggle to get out.
Comment by Philonous — August 1, 2007 @ 2:08 pm
Getting out? So you’re surrendering to the quicksand then? You quicksand-loving surrender monkey.
What you need is to throw more people in there, until the pile of bodies is tall enough for you to climb out. Geez, it’s obvious, right?
August 1st, 2007 at 2:13 pmComment by Philonous — August 1, 2007 @ 2:03 pm
This entire site, attached to the Center for American Progress, tells you what it signifies. It signifies a new America.
Do you want to be part of the new America, or do you want to remain a pastime?
Comment by Nachos of Justice — August 1, 2007 @ 2:08 pm
so you don’t believe in traditional American values. great, “progressive” means “anti-American”
thanks for clearing that up.
August 1st, 2007 at 2:14 pmComment by Philonous — August 1, 2007 @ 2:08 pm
Who’s with me on amending the constitution to give the Congress the “Commander-in-Chief” title over the President (who’s one person), so that these wasteful, prolonged conflicts never happen again?
August 1st, 2007 at 2:14 pmThe US congress authorized it.
Comment by r — August 1, 2007 @ 1:57 pm
Umm, no. The force resolution required Bush to document claims, which were never justified. He did not reply to the resolution, except to parrot back the items. The Congress, being the Republican shills they were, didn’t have the balls to call him on it.
So illegal, you bet, all the way!
August 1st, 2007 at 2:15 pmif one chooses to jump into a pit of quick sand, he is still stuck there and will have to struggle to get out.
Comment by Philonous — August 1, 2007 @ 2:08 pm
Again, this construct is bogus.
This is a war of choice. The US chose to invade Iraq. The White House chose to continue the occupation of that country.
There is no man in the sky keeping the American troops captive in that country. The military bases, the embassy, etc. are being built because someone(s) decided it should be so.
By building up their military presence in the Middle East, the US government is choosing to be involved (”get stuck”) in the developments in the region. They could just as well chose not to be involved.
The man in the quicksand pit comparison is invalid.
August 1st, 2007 at 2:15 pmif one chooses to jump into a pit of quick sand, he is still stuck there and will have to struggle to get out.
Comment by Philonous — August 1, 2007 @ 2:08 pm
Getting out? So you’re surrendering to the quicksand then? You quicksand-loving surrender monkey.
What you need is to throw more people in there, until the pile of bodies is tall enough for you to climb out. Geez, it’s obvious, right?
Comment by Luis M — August 1, 2007 @ 2:13 pm
what you need, is to pull yourself together, and make a serious effort to overcome the difficulties.
August 1st, 2007 at 2:15 pmNachos of Justice: Cool name!
August 1st, 2007 at 2:16 pmIf a withdrawal from Vietnam was possible -where an even larger number of troops were committed- a withdrawal from Iraq is certainly feasible.
Comment by Gregor Samsa — August 1, 2007 @ 2:03 pm
Every analyst I’ve heard has said it would take 12-18 months to get out every soldier, contractor, vehicle, and piece of equipment. Although I do wonder if this is a part of the “secure the crap out of Anbar” strategy. If we cut a deal with the IAI by which they protect our troops as we leave and then clean up the ISI after we’re gone, we could possibly get out via Jordan.
August 1st, 2007 at 2:17 pmFrom yahoo news:
“I know that I would not engage in a cover-up. I know that no one in the White House suggested such a thing to me. I know that the gentlemen sitting next to me are men of enormous integrity and would not participate in something like that,” Rumsfeld told a House committee.
We know where they are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.”
Integrity, yep.
August 1st, 2007 at 2:17 pm“No one ever considered they would use planes as weapons” C. Rice.
August 1st, 2007 at 2:17 pmso you don’t believe in traditional American values. great, “progressive†means “anti-Americanâ€
Please define “traditional American values” Also try to do this without the objectively. It might help the dialogue. When I hear that phrase I tend to think of freedom, rights to be whom I wish to be, ability to make individual choices which best suit me, etc. Thing is when I used to hear my waspy former father in law use the phrase it seemed more like: white males are in charge, gays are bad, recreational marijuana use makes you crazy, free thinkers are commies. It all comes down to the interpretation…
August 1st, 2007 at 2:19 pmComment by Philonous — August 1, 2007 @ 2:14 pm
Progressive policies are pro-America. They are non-partisan policies meant to take the best, most rational ideas out of both parties to forge a Utopian blend of rapid progress and equality.
The success of the Clinton years anchored this progressive movement. The 1990’s (without the minor scandals) is the new benchmark, but the current president is only leading to 1929, the crashing of the stock market.
August 1st, 2007 at 2:19 pmComment by Philonous — August 1, 2007 @ 2:14 pm
Progressive policies are pro-America. They are non-partisan policies meant to take the best, most rational ideas out of both parties to forge a Utopian blend of rapid progress and equality.
The success of the Clinton years anchored this progressive movement. The 1990’s (without the minor scandals) is the new benchmark, but the current president is only leading to 1929, the crashing of the stock market.
Comment by Nachos of Justice — August 1, 2007 @ 2:19 pm
this F***IST website is blocking my responses. i’ll be back later.
August 1st, 2007 at 2:21 pmComment by Nachos of Justice — August 1, 2007 @ 2:19 pm
I don’t know what you’re playing at, since P knows who you are.
August 1st, 2007 at 2:22 pm“I will restore honor and integrity to the White House.” GWB.
Kucinich blasts Rumy:
http://rawstory.com/ news/ 2007/ Kucinich_grills_Rumsfeld_at_Tillman_coverup_0801.html
August 1st, 2007 at 2:22 pmstrike “without the”. Don’t ask me how that got there!
August 1st, 2007 at 2:22 pmOn Sept. 27, 2002, at a Chamber of Commerce lunch in Atlanta, Rumsfeld asserted that the Bush administration had “bulletproof” evidence linking Saddam and al-Qaida, the organization that carried out the Sept, 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon.
But on Oct. 4, 2004, Rumsfeld revised his assertion, telling the Council of Foreign Relations in New York, “To my knowledge, I have not seen any strong, hard evidence that links the two.”
August 1st, 2007 at 2:22 pmComment by Zooey — August 1, 2007 @ 2:22 pm
I know that he knows who I am.
What’s you point?
August 1st, 2007 at 2:24 pmDem, Rep, whatever. They know US citizenry too well: Fear = Perpetual war = profits for a bunch.
Comment by Juan C — August 1, 2007 @ 2:08 pm
i hear you, juan…
but it’s not to say that it isn’t happening…
you know the terrorists ARE planning no-good-deeds…
but understand the context and nuance…
August 1st, 2007 at 2:24 pmthat was not rovian… that was just the truth…
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By the way, there’s plenty of precedent for Congress “meddling” in directing a war, e.g., the Truman Committee on defense spending during WWII (they would have loved investigating Halliburton); the Joint Committee on the Conduct of the War, a thorn in Lincoln’s side. If two of our best Presidents could tolerate Congress’s role, why can’t our worst?
August 1st, 2007 at 2:24 pmthis F***IST website is blocking my responses. i’ll be back later.
Comment by Mr. Philonous — August 1, 2007 @ 2:21 pm
Well, here’s an idea.
QUIT CHANGING YOUR POSTING NAME!!!
see if that helps.
You’re so welcome.
August 1st, 2007 at 2:25 pmHave a nice day!
yeah, they’ve scrubbed one of mine as well, and I won’t be back. TP is involved with actively removing posts during thread discussions. Mine involved a mere question about how did the terrorist living in a cave get past the most extensive defensive system in the world.
Limiting the free exchange of ideas in a blog called “ThinkProgress” is outragously hyporcritical.
please copy this post, it won’t be here long.
I am going to see if they removed last nights postings.
I will not be back to this forgery of a “Progressive” site. It is a fraud.
August 1st, 2007 at 2:26 pmZooey - No, thank YOU for reading and caring! Got your new backpack? I see all the back-to-school backpacks are in the stores. : )
August 1st, 2007 at 2:27 pmWhat’s you point?
Comment by Nachos of Justice — August 1, 2007 @ 2:24 pm
Proceed….
August 1st, 2007 at 2:27 pmcant TP use a javascript button to change text size this is too big . also what have you done to the cookie to remember names with …also my posts sometime dont appear FIX PLEASE
August 1st, 2007 at 2:27 pmEvery analyst I’ve heard has said it would take 12-18 months to get out every soldier, contractor, vehicle, and piece of equipment.
Comment by toasterhead — August 1, 2007 @ 2:17 pm
I do realise an overnight withdrawal is not possible. However, this administration ought to be taking steps to take the troops out of Iraq and end the occupation; which was my main point.
Instead, this White House has chosen to go on a “surge” (read “escalation”) path, in their usual wrong-headed approach to solving problem. Putting more troops in Iraq is the exact opposite of what is needed, which is draw down the troop presence in Iraq. The occupation needs to come to an end. The sooner, the better -for the Iraqis and for everyone else involved.
August 1st, 2007 at 2:28 pmNachos of Justice: Cool name!
Comment by bogtrotters — August 1, 2007 @ 2:16 pm
Thanks, man! Yours isn’t so bad, either!!
August 1st, 2007 at 2:28 pmopps, strike that they put it back.
Yea!
good for them!
sorry TP. i stand corrected.
August 1st, 2007 at 2:28 pm