Three former Bush aides to testify in Tillman inquiry.
Three former Bush aides to testify in Tillman inquiry.
House Oversight and Government Reform Chairman Henry Waxman (D-CA), announced today that the White House will allow three former top aides tesify in an inquiry into the friendly-fire death of Army Ranger Pat Tillman in Afghanistan. Former White House Counselor Dan Bartlett, former Press Secretary Scott McClellan, and former speechwriter Michael Gerson will testify “without a transcript and with White House attorneys present.” If investigators determine that the aides have relevant information, they will be asked to return for transcribed interviews. “The White House has reserved the right to oppose that by claiming executive privilege.”
Read the letter from Waxman and Ranking Member Tom Davis (R-VA) to White House Counsel Fred Fielding here.
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So the White House objective is to provide no relevant information–to lie if necessary (which won’t be transcribed) in order to avoid getting testimony recorded?
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:35 pmWhat part of putting their hands on a bible and swearing to tell the truth do the Bush staffers object to?
-GSD
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:36 pmA cover-up of the cover-up….if you will.
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:36 pmJesus H Christ on a cracker, could we please start salvaging this republic!
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:38 pmAre the Bush gangsters covering up their murder of Pat Tillman or are they just covering up their coverup of the murder of Pat Tillman?
Just curious…
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:38 pmAide one: “I don’t recall”
Aide two: “I don’t recall”
Aide three: “I don’t recall”
case dismissed
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:40 pmAre the Bush gangsters covering up their murder of Pat Tillman or are they just covering up their coverup of the murder of Pat Tillman?
Just curious…
Comment by james k. sayre — August 2, 2007 @ 2:38 pm
Is everyone else here comfortable with the use of the word MURDER in this instance?
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:43 pmOur all-time favorite:
I don’t believe I intended to commit a crime Goodling.
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:43 pmIs everyone else here comfortable with the use of the word MURDER in this instance?
Comment by r
You might wanna talk with the Tillman´s.
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:44 pmIs everyone else here comfortable with the use of the word MURDER in this instance?
Comment by r — August 2, 2007 @ 2:43 pm
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:45 pm———
I am not.
Comment by GSD — August 2, 2007 @ 2:36 pm
I think it’s the part about having to swear to GOD to tell the truth that members of this administration have an objection to. They have shown that they have no problem obfuscating (EP) or prevaricating (AGAG) when testifying to Congress, in press breifings (Tony Snow, Fox anchor) or taking with the American people (our Great Deciderer). Ask them to lie to GOD, and they start to doubt.
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:45 pmso, the recent story about a general (?) who was
demoted and censored (or whatever) wasn’t enough
to shut this inquiry down?
good.
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:46 pm.
Pathetic. What an utterly useless organization is the Congress. Screw it, just save us some money, Congress, and quit en masse. You’re nothing more than window dressing at this point.
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:46 pmIf yesterday’s circus was any indication, there will be no “relevant” information forthcoming. Instead, there will be just a bunch of “I don’t recalls” and “it wasn’t my job to do that”.
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:46 pmthe “no transcript” is bullshit.
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:47 pm.
So in other words, if they ask the right questions the attorneys will stop the proceedings, Congress will call for a transcripted hearing and Bush will then claim executive privilege. Wonderful little system. Abuse of power doesn’t even come close to the term I would use. It makes me sick what this administration gets away with.
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:48 pmwithout a transcript and with White House attorneys present
What the hell is this??? Why even bother?
Cone on righties… even you know this is pure bull.
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:48 pmIf yesterday’s circus was any indication, there will be no “relevant†information forthcoming. Instead, there will be just a bunch of “I don’t recalls†and “it wasn’t my job to do thatâ€.
Comment by Damian — August 2, 2007 @ 2:46 pm
That’s IF they answer at all!
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:48 pmLook for more i have no recollection or i can’t recall to questions.
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:48 pmfunny how these so called smart folks who were chraged with such high positions in Govt can’t recall.
I am not.
Comment by Gorgias — August 2, 2007 @ 2:45 pm
You aren’t comfortable with reality either – maybe it’s the unicorn horn shoved up your arse that’s the cause of your discomfort?
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:48 pmIt was great to see our military leaders and Rumsfeld step up to the plate and admit fault in the Tillman death. Of course, none of them admitted that it was their own fault, but they did concede that mistakes were made. Sorry, very sorry, but someone else screwed up.
Wasn’t it the former head of the Joint Chiefs who said he knew early on that it was friendly fire but that it wasn’t really his responsibility to correct the information? “Ah, well, you know, dumb ol’ Army screwed it up. Not my problem.”
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:49 pmComment by r — August 2, 2007 @ 2:43 pm
If Pat Tillman was not MURDERED, how do you explain three American bullets in his forehead? Which, according to the coroner, were fired from about ten yards away. Why was his uniform and personal belongings (including his diary) burned in the field before an investigation. Do not let the trolls change the subject – “friendly fire” does not adequately describe what happened here. If there is nothing to hide, why is the president cowering behind executive privelege?
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:49 pm“By means of shrewd lies, unremittingly repeated, it is possible to make people believe that heaven is hell — and hell heaven. The greater the lie, the more readily it will be believed.”
Adolph Hitler “Mein Kampf”
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:50 pmThis white house has such comtempt for the american people.
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:50 pmAsk them to lie to GOD, and they start to doubt.
Comment by robbez_92107 — August 2, 2007 @ 2:45 pm
Rummy, General Myers, and General Abazaid weren’t particularly troubled by the oath yesterday.
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:50 pmComment by Damian — August 2, 2007 @ 2:50 pm
If you don’t recall anything and don’t offer up any information, you can’t be found guilty of perjury, can you?
Hence, “I don’t recall. I can’t remember.”
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:52 pmIs everyone else here comfortable with the use of the word MURDER in this instance?
Comment by r
Murder is what it was and a murder covered up.
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:56 pmBecause Bush is hiding it further behind a claim of executive privilege, he has become an accessory to murder ( US Law and Statutes)
I wonder if Bush will recall being president for 8 yrs
August 2nd, 2007 at 2:57 pmRummy, General Myers, and General Abazaid weren’t particularly troubled by the oath yesterday.
Comment by Damian
Thats the advantage of repenting sins in the deathbed. Fast track to Heaven after a life of murder, lies and sins.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:00 pmWhat does if matter if they testify, if the information is not transcribed, and the meeting kept secret?
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:02 pmIs everyone else here comfortable with the use of the word MURDER in this instance?
Comment by r — August 2, 2007 @ 2:43 pm
IF the three tightly grouped shots to the forehead is true, it looks pretty bad. I know you’ll have some bizarre, richochetting bullet theory that explains it all away…
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:03 pm“Is everyone else here comfortable with the use of the word MURDER in this instance?”
YES.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:03 pmSoft Ass democrats!
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:05 pmAide one: “I don’t recallâ€
Aide two: “I don’t recallâ€
Aide three: “I don’t recallâ€
I hope Senator Clinton isnt on the senate panel, she might start having flashbacks from all of these “I dont recall” answers.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:06 pmComment by Pipers
Nice drift. Now focus.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:07 pmSoft Ass democrats!
Comment by Bob Day — August 2, 2007 @ 3:05 pm
This is a meaningless comment.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:07 pmNice drift. Now focus.
Comment by Juan C — August 2, 2007 @ 3:07 pm
Good call, Juan.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:07 pmthere are no two ways about this…. Tillman was MURDERED… 3 close range bullet holes in the head…and to allow another sham of:
without a transcript and with White House attorneys present
very, very depressing….
Trolls… where are you on this?
As Mike Malloy says: When?
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:07 pmNot only was it three American bullets from a close range——-but the three in a small grouping on his forehead is not possible unless the second and third were fired after he went down. The body would have had a reaction to the first bullet in the forehead. How could all three bullets in the forehead be in a small grouping?
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:08 pmTillman was probably murdered with an M-4 carbine – standard Ranger issue.
They’re LESS accurate than an M-16 rifle. So the murderer had to be VERY close to put a 3-shot burst in that tight a pattern.
Tillman was definitely murdered. Why is Chimpy covering up a murder?
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:08 pmAre you having trouble comprehending? Id be happy to post again for you, Ill even type slower if you like.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:09 pmI believe “testify” means under oath?
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:09 pmWow, TP…I’ve never had any of my comments pulled before. Guess I’m moving up in the ranks, although I must admit I don’t understand why my post was deleted. Was it not pollyanna enough about the future of this republic?
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:10 pmWhy was he murdered?
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:10 pmI’ll bet Specter has a theory about some kind of “magic bullet” that could recuse his Repug friends
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:10 pmI was saving this link for today’s ThinkFast, but as soon it hasn’t been posted, I paste it here, because, after all, it has a strong relation with the Tillman’s Case:
http://hotzone.yahoo.com/b/hotzone/blogs41058;_ylt=Ans2.TYxPfrsGH7ZQ4fqQZKs0NUE
The truth and the media covering it (or lacking the coverage of it).
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:10 pmI thought “testify” was a RATM song.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:10 pm#36: they have no backbone! what in the hell do you think the white house aides are gonna do? (tell the truth). This is a waste of time! like i said soft ass democrats!!!
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:11 pmWater taps off in Baghdad
BAGHDAD – Much of the Iraqi capital was without running water Thursday and had been for at least 24 hours, compounding the urban misery in a war zone and the blistering heat at the height of the Baghdad summer.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:12 pmCharles from Shytown,
because he was increasingly critical of the war and as an NFL star people were listening to him. It was not good for the war machine.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:13 pmTwo answers, which one is right, or neither? Im confused here, why was Tillman murdered, and by who and on whose orders?
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:14 pm#48 This is a waste of time! like i said soft ass democrats!!!
Comment by Bob Day — August 2, 2007 @ 3:11 pm
Looks as if Daily Bob prefers muscular asses.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:15 pmThats the advantage of repenting sins in the deathbed. Fast track to Heaven after a life of murder, lies and sins.
Comment by Juan C
Yeah, but God KNOWS what is in their hearts.
If they THINK that they can deceive the Almighty God,
they are in TROUBLE!!!
for ETERNITY!!!
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:15 pm“How could all three bullets in the forehead be in a small grouping?”
The M-16A1 rifle and M-4 carbine fire a 3-shot burst on automatic. 3 shots in about 1 second.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:15 pmInterpreting the Bush toady responses to Congress:
“I don’t recall” – “I’ve told so many lies since then, I have trouble keeping them all straight.”
” I can’t remember that meeting” – “Was that the meeting where we violated your civil liberties or the one where we conspired to obstruct justice?”
“I believe that falls under Executive Privilege.” – “Whatever you can do to me is nothing compared to what will happen if I open my mouth.”
“It is my wish to cooperate with the Committee as fully as I can.” -
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:18 pm“Screw you.”
Three former Bush aides to testify in Tillman inquiry.
A rerun of The Three Stooges?
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:20 pmYes, I’m absolutely comfortable with the word murder in this instance, until the White House stops using Executive Privilege to hide what happened, what they knew, and when they knew it. Simple.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:21 pmevil spaniard: Maybe you should bendover so bush can rape you too!
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:22 pmI’m willing to trust Waxman with this. He’s demanding transcripts and threatening subpoenas for more junior officials who may have executed the policy but would not have been in discussions that would approach an area of “executive priveledge”. He’s reserving the power to use more stringent means to compell testimony if the higher ranking officials are non-compliant. And, he’s got the signature of the head Republican on the committee, which deflects hollow criticism of partisanship.
The coverup of Tillman’s death was deplorable, but is relatively minor compared with the wholesale trashing of the Constitution that the administration is guilty of in other areas. The administration’s behavior in this investigation highlights their dishonesty and untrustworthiness, though. Waxman is right to persue it; it is moving the process forward.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:23 pmDon’t forget the back of Pat’s head was blown off and the sniveler was sprayed with his blood.
No accident.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:24 pmthree bullets in the forehead be in a small grouping
—————————————————————————
If Tillman was shot in the forehead with an M-16A1 rifle (or M-4) the top of his head would be blown off.
Good Lord….You freaks are beyong crazy.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:25 pmI went to a rabid right-wing web site the other day (shudder), run by an ex-military guy, and they were talking about Tillman. Even they felt that with 3 bullets so near to each other on his forehead that it was almost impossible to have not been intentional.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:26 pmRingo,
Mom finally let you log on today?
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:28 pmBD: Welcome to ostracism. And no, isn’t anything ado with your Ted Haggard’s view of the world.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:28 pmExecutive privilege is for what? It’s not a blanket concept. there are limits. I don’t believe the information sorrounding the death of a US soldier falls under Executive privilege. We need someone in congress with the balls enough to put an end to this.
Bush lied. “I will restore honor and integrity to the White House.’ No he hasn’t and he’s let down all Americans.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:29 pmMargaret, that’s because they know the evidence strongly favors close range and close range means no accident. Also, why would anyone in their right mind refuse the medical examiners’ requests for further investigation when the war’s most famous soldier was killed under suspicious circumstances, at best?
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:29 pmCharles from Shytown,
because he was increasingly critical of the war and as an NFL star people were listening to him. It was not good for the war machine.
Comment by Texas
Tillman was going to be the poster boy for Bush’s illegal massacre/invasion. But being the good man he was, he saw the truth.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:29 pmThink now, the sports minded and the gun toter’s are ready to wake up and see the stench?
at yesterday’s hearing in the house. Reps Shays, Issle [sic] and McHenry, betrayed Pat Tillman and all other servicemen/women.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:30 pmExecutive privilege is like the old “because I said so” of our mommies back when she wanted us to eat all the spinachs…
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:30 pmGood Lord….You freaks are beyong crazy.
Comment by Ringo
Lets see where does it all lead to. Then we´ll see who has been wrong. We will even forgive your losses on:
a) WMDs
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:30 pmb) Saddam-AlQaeda
c) received as liberators
d) last throes
e) mission accomplished
e) mission accomplished
Comment by Juan C — August 2, 2007 @ 3:30 pm
f) thru zzzz) all the rest.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:32 pmGood Lord….You freaks are beyong crazy. – Ringo
No, the guy who murdered Tillman is.
And the Chimp who covered it up.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:32 pmWhy was he murdered?
Comment by Charles from Shytown — August 2, 2007 @ 3:10 pm
Nobody knows why Tillman was murdered (and nobody is even admitting that he WAS murdered), but there are some facts surrounding the case that arouse plenty of suspicion that this isn’t just a case of “ooooops — thought you were the enemy, sorry!”.
Here’s what is known, or generally believed to be true:
1) Tillman was a very high-profile soldier (as an NFL pro who gave up a lucrative football contract to fight for Uncle Sam), who was a PR bonanza for the White House.
2) Tillman was critical of the war in Iraq and believed we shouldn’t be there. He had a meeting scheduled with Noam Chomsky when he went back to the states.
3) Tillman was shot three times in the forehead with American bullets (all three wounds close together), at close range (not more than 10 yards).
4) Tillman’s uniform, gear, and diary were burned before they could be examined by anyone.
5) The White House is being uncooperative with providing information, to the point where executive privilege is being threatened. This usually means there’s something to hide.
Connecting the dots:
Everybody (especially Tillman’s family) would like to know what the real story is. The most dramatic theory is that the White House ordered Tillman offed because they didn’t want their “star hero” going public against the war arm in arm with Chomsky when he got home. Because of Tillman’s high profile, he would have gotten a lot of press.
Another theory is that Tillman got fragged by his own men for any number of possible reasons. Maybe they didn’t like his politics, or maybe they didn’t like his personality. Fragging and other misconduct by military personnel often gets covered up to avoid bad publicity for the armed forces.
We may not ever find out what really happened, which is a tragedy for both the Tillman family and the American people.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:33 pmcould you expound on that view point Bob Day? Why do you think that?
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:33 pmat yesterday’s hearing in the house. Reps Shays, Issle [sic] and McHenry, betrayed Pat Tillman and all other servicemen/women.
Comment by Bob Day — August 2, 2007 @ 3:30 pm
Thanks for bringing that up. These three were revolting! Just vile POS. McHenry in his smug, self-righteous act, claiming the purpose of the hearing was to honor Pat’s heroism and by that, desparaging the few Dems who wanted to get to the truth. Same with Issa and Shays. These effers need a good old @ass-kicking!
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:37 pmCan anyone confirm what I read yesterday, to the effect that Tillman’s autopsy established he was FIRST shot in the hand, hip and leg BEFORE the coup de grâce to his head? A link would be fine.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:37 pmWhy was he murdered?
Comment by Charles from Shytown —
Theory: Tillman was beginning to see that Bush’s war on terror wasn’t really about a war against terror. He had been reading Noam Chomsky and thought he had a lot of good insights. He was planning on a meeting with Chomsky. (Tillmann had a 3.84 GPA at Arizona State University. Finished degree in 3 1/2 years despite the many hours that football requires.) Tillman was becoming such a celebrity that his speaking out against the war would have received a great deal of media attention.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:38 pm#74: at the hearing the republican reps, were trying to pass it off as a farce. just a dog and pony show. This man gave his life for his country and these three rightwing hacks, can’t put politics aside. Someone owe’s his parents an explanation. The least they could have done was ask fair questions.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:41 pmWhen did this turn into a conspiracy theory website? I thought this was a republicans suck website.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:41 pmbecause he was increasingly critical of the war and as an NFL star people were listening to him. It was not good for the war machine.
Comment by Texas Democrat
If the admin. shot people who are critical of the war and who are listened to, the NY Times editorial board would be dead (instead they are just brain dead)
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:42 pmBush lied. “I will restore honor and integrity to the White House.’ No he hasn’t and he’s let down all Americans.
Comment by hellinabucket — August 2, 2007 @ 3:29 pm
Don’t forget:
“I’m a uniter, not a divider.” and
“The United States should not be involved in nation building.”
I know, I know, how pre 9/11 of me, right?
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:45 pmAnd who was the person who shot Mr Tillman? I don’t believe I have ever heard his/her name. I don’t think anyone from the Bush administration was on the battle field that night so the only information they got was what was told them in the daily reports turned in by the soldiers at the scene…..why aren’t these people being questioned??????????
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:46 pmComment by Cynicon Implant
The New York Times and Wash Post printed all the administrations lies leading up to the invasion as if they were the truth. Progressives hated them for this. Do not assume that everyone at this website loves the Times and the Post.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:46 pmIt has been reported that the military chaplain lied during his debriefing on the matter.
The report of the soldier who was closest to Tillman when he was shot was substantially changed.
It has been reported that there were snipers on the scene firing at Tillman.
Three bullets in a tight pattern to Tillman’s forehead may well be nearly impossible to view as “accidental” especially considering the apparent coverup of the paper trail and the inability of multiple investigations to produce the person responsible for changing the on-the-ground reports.
I don’t think there’s any question that there must be a very powerful reason why Special Ops Leutenent General Kensinger purposely evaded Congress‘ subpeona.
Could it be because as Special Ops commander he knows why snipers were firing at Tillman?
But would they have MURDERED Tillman for potentially speaking against the war in Iraq?
They not only burned his diary, they burned his uniform and even destroyed his body armor before the incident could be investigated.
I believe it is very possible that the cold-blooded neocons at the top of the chain of command stealing $BILLIONS in war profiteering are very capable of ordering his execution.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:46 pmDamian: I agree!
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:47 pmCI,
Interesting backwards assed theory, however the difference between the two is that an NFL star is more likely to be heard by the macho, gun loving NASCAR watching retard diddoheads that is Dubyas “base” and that is dangerous.
By the way here have all you trolls been today, 10 cent wing day at Hooters?
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:49 pmThey not only burned his diary, they burned his uniform and even destroyed his body armor before the incident could be investigated.
I believe it is very possible that the cold-blooded neocons at the top of the chain of command stealing $BILLIONS in war profiteering are very capable of ordering his execution.
Comment by One Citizen — August 2, 2007 @ 3:46 pm
Who are “they” and why aren’t “they” being questioned in these hearings oh clairvoyant conspiracy theorist?
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:49 pmObviously I intended to type “where” have all you retards been.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:50 pmconspiracy? maybe. Cover up? definitely. the american people deserve better. The Tillman family deserve the truth.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:50 pmWho ordered the destruction of evidence?
How did a tight shot grouping of three rounds occur?
Answers, please…
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:51 pmWhat is Scotty puggy cheeks McClellan or some dumb speech writer really going to bring to the table? These people lied on a daily basis for Bush. I doubt being a “former” official is going to matter.
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:51 pmthe old “because I said so†of our mommies back when she wanted us to eat all the spinachs…
Comment by Evil Spaniard — August 2, 2007 @ 3:30 pm
!… even in SPAIN ?!?!?
moms – omnipresent!
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:58 pm“When did this turn into a conspiracy theory website? I thought this was a republicans suck website.”
Its two…two!…TWO sites in one!
August 2nd, 2007 at 3:59 pmevil spaniard & katy,
That’s also what the moms on Mars say when their kids won’t eat their zeeboks!
August 2nd, 2007 at 4:02 pmWhy bother? The death of a corporal 4,000 miles away with 3 bullet holes in the center of his forehead is OBVIOUSLY covered by ‘executive privilege’.
Anyway, we couldn’t HANDLE the truth.
August 2nd, 2007 at 4:02 pmWhile this is all well and good, why in the world is Bush allowing them to testify? This is a congressional subpoena.
August 2nd, 2007 at 4:04 pmYou think progessives are conspiracy nuts? Mr. P’s webpage says yesterday’s bridge destruction was done by a HRClinton front group!
August 2nd, 2007 at 4:05 pmwell worth a repeat:
conspiracy? maybe. Cover up? definitely. the american people deserve better. The Tillman family deserve the truth.
and this, for balance:
Its two…two!…TWO sites in one!
good ones!
August 2nd, 2007 at 4:08 pm.
Why aren’t previous investigations(transcripts) being made available to the public? It was friendly fire…who’s the guy that killed him? How many people were around? Why no evidence of enemy fire at the scene?
August 2nd, 2007 at 4:09 pmI’m sorry, but why on earth would anyone agree to this? Rove and the aides are sitting back laughing their asses off?
August 2nd, 2007 at 4:10 pmHas anyone noticed that when your append is diuscarded that the Name and E-Mail fields are changed to null?
August 2nd, 2007 at 4:14 pmLaughing their asses off about the death of a soldier and keeping the truth from his family.
Thanks for reminding me why I will continue to remove these heartless constitution destroying chickenhawk pieces of dung out of my government.
August 2nd, 2007 at 4:15 pmdiuscarded s/b discarded
August 2nd, 2007 at 4:16 pmWaltTheMan,
Yes. TP would not let me post last night:
Hot Newsflash!! Mr. P’s webpage says bridge destruction was done by a HRClinton front group!
That’s: americaphile.blogspot.com
I kept getting “nulled” over and over.
August 2nd, 2007 at 4:17 pmHellina,
Don’t hold back. Tell us how you really feel.
August 2nd, 2007 at 4:18 pmhellinbucket: easier said than done! I’m with you.
August 2nd, 2007 at 4:20 pmExecutive privilege used as an excuse for not testifying is a clear admission of guilt and it should not be honored.
August 2nd, 2007 at 4:35 pmI’ll hold back the aserbic opinions. I don’t think they could take it.
August 2nd, 2007 at 4:35 pmI never saw a ‘fragging in Nam, but sure heard a lot about them.
I don’t believe that was the case with Pat Tillman. I believe he was an independent thinker & totally disagreed with invading Iraq. His brother says so, his parents say so, & close friends say so.
I think he was snuffed on purpose. I don’t know if it was politics or uneasy Brass; it could have just as easily been his own company. If his leadership was as coarse as his verbal output, he may well have pissed off a scared sniveler to the breaking point.
But that still doesn’t account for such a close 3 round pattern…
August 2nd, 2007 at 4:41 pmI kept getting “nulled†over and over.
Comment by Keith G — August 2, 2007 @ 4:17 pm
—-
It is forbidden to speak my true name!
By the way, that is not my webpage.
August 2nd, 2007 at 4:43 pmthese Bushie regime suppporters are cheats and liars themselves, otherwise WHY would you support a president ( no capitol for this one, he doesn’t deserve it)
who would claim EP over a HERO dying in Afganistan? WHY? In my view a President is someone who HONORS our soldiers, he should be the FIRST ONE to be saying “we will get to the truth let the chips fall where they may” and doing all he can to help find answers! Not this slimeball who has no morals.
People like Ringo just simply IGNORE the facts, not just in the Tillman case, but in EVERY case. He ignores the autopsy report completely, I am positive he didn’t even READ WHAT THE ARMY DOCTORS SAID. He ignores that the eye witness with him had his first hand account ALTERED, he ignores that his personal diary was TAKEN, he ignores his clothes being burned and he ignores completely that they botched the scene before investigators got there. Don’t tell me Rangers don’t know how to preserve a scene. He ignores that Bushie had held him up as a hero and used him as a propaganda tool from the day he enlisted! Just read Rummy’s letter! Clearly this is yet another CYA, I don’t recall. It’s sickening to see what low caliber people we have in this admin.
August 2nd, 2007 at 4:53 pmYou fools just swallow lie after lie, you could care LESS about our soldiers OR the trauma all of this is causing his family. Bad enough to lose your beloved family member to this, but to then have to go through all this HELL and STILL not know what happened is beyond criminal. Talk about lack of ethics.
If his supporters would WAKE UP AND GET THE FACTS instead of believing their spoon feed rhetoric from Limpbaugh and all the other rightwing tools, this would not continue. You all are traitors, every single one of you.
I deenk it wood bee purty cool if Hillary wcould lounge outside of a tank with a helmut. It’s an image dat cuud git hur electud, liek Mikael Dukakus.
August 2nd, 2007 at 4:54 pmjustice: what do you expect from people, who won’t pay taxes and who won’t serve in the armed services, just drain the country ’s resources, like a parasite.
August 2nd, 2007 at 4:57 pmComment by Gorgias — August 2, 2007 @ 4:43 pm
Now that’s a cool photo!!!
August 2nd, 2007 at 4:59 pmUniter, not a divider. Liar.
August 2nd, 2007 at 4:59 pmThe doctors report shows that Pat Tillman was murdered. The only question was why? The Rangers had a job yet in comes sharpshooter why? Pat is the only one shot and it was two bulls eye shots to the head. All the evidence is destroyed why?
Thanks to his fellow soldiers we know why Pat Tillman’s death was premeditated murder. Pat was out spoken about the truth of what was happening in Afghan. Bush wanted to use Pat’s name in his campaign as Pat was due to come home. Pat was an outspoken John Kerry supporter. That could be a problem in a close election even if the fixed machines and voter denied the right to vote. So the White House inter circle came up with get rid of the problem. Yes the Military use Al Qaeda again and thought they could get rid of the problem. It would have worked. Yes God has a way of letting the truth come out. Now Rummy and the Generals lied under oath to save themselves. All this was done to control the United States Government and steal from the US Treasury. What’s really sad is Congressmen Chris Shays even apologized to Rummy and the Generals because he thought it was a waste of time for them to answer questions about Pat Tillman’s murder. Congressmen Shays had nothing to say for the murder and lies told to the Tillman Family. He thought that was a waste of time too. Now I wonder what Congressmen Shays would have to save if his son was murdered by the White House/Rummy? Would he still be willing to let it go if his son/daughter was ordered to be murdered by the Bush Administration.
August 2nd, 2007 at 4:59 pmOk TP, once more, without the gutshot comment:
You sycophantic whore trolls should be ashamed of themselves for supporting your Dear Leader’s coverup of Tillman’s murder. We can disagree about the extent to which Bush lied to get His War, we can disagree about politics, but for you to defend Bush’s call for Executive Privilege to stonewall and investigation into the cover up of a soldier’s murder is beyond reason.
You are so much in love with Bush that you are willing to prostitute yourselves.
August 2nd, 2007 at 4:59 pmNow that’s a cool photo!!!
Comment by CT_Version 2 — August 2, 2007 @ 4:59 pm
Thanks, egregg made it!!!
August 2nd, 2007 at 5:01 pmComment by Gorgias — August 2, 2007 @ 5:01 pm
Yesterday, Mr. P, I was posing, so none of my “progressive” talk was meant to offend.
I will continue to speak for myself, in the form of……..PIP/CT 2028!!!
That’s right – doin’ the speakin’ to the WH.
August 2nd, 2007 at 5:06 pmYou are so much in love with Bush that you are willing to prostitute yourselves.
Comment by nanlichi
Spot on.
August 2nd, 2007 at 5:10 pmYesterday, Mr. P, I was posing, so none of my “progressive†talk was meant to offend.
Comment by CT_Version 2
Guess that means your apology to me was also bogus then?
August 2nd, 2007 at 5:31 pmRingo, I’m not sure why you think it’s impossible to have three closely-grouped American bullet holes in your head fired from less than 10 yards away, but here’s the ABC News story on the supressed medical examiner information: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=3419299
How about you simply check that out before you dismiss anyone as a “moonbat.”
August 2nd, 2007 at 5:37 pmThis became a ‘conspiracy site’ when it became clear to thinking people that BushCo is not planning on leaving quietly when their time is up. They have committed too many crimes to let that happen. Why won’t they let Rep. Peter DeFazio view the order regarding response to a national emergency? Why do they cover everything with executive privilege? Why can’t Cheney recall whether or not he sent Gonzales to Ashcroft’s hospital room? How awful does a wire-tapping scheme have to be that Mueller and Ashcroft think it goes too far?
Any more questions?
August 2nd, 2007 at 5:40 pmPowkat: “Why won’t they let Rep. Peter DeFazio view the order regarding response to a national emergency?”
I hope the answer is that they are so incompetent that they really have no real plan and it would be embarassing to show that to a Democrat. The alternative answers are much harder to consider.
August 2nd, 2007 at 5:45 pmAnd this is testimony how?
AF
August 2nd, 2007 at 5:47 pmComment by Zed Lefflin — August 2, 2007 @ 3:49 pm
…Read my post again, ZL. But this time try stopping every now and then to breathe. Read it a third time if you have to, this time aloud.
Here it is captioned – Lo and behold the answer to your question was there all along!
…and AGAIN
Zed, you slung the cutesy name “clairvoyant conspiracy theorist” but the fact is that Special Ops Leutenent General Kensinger purposely evaded Congress‘ subpeona and the one dude (Sgt. Bryan O’Neal) who was at Tillman’s side when he was shot doesn’t recall Tillman speaking to that mysterious army chaplain before he died.
Call me a crazy conspiracy theorist if you will, but I think its safe to surmise that the 3 rounds that went through Ranger Tillman’s forehead in a 2″ pattern from close proximity is more than likely to have prevented Tillman from calling O’Neil a sniveling coward to his “chaplain” just before he died.
August 2nd, 2007 at 5:49 pmComment by CT_Version 2 — August 2, 2007 @ 5:06 pm
CT, remember, I know what’s up!
You don’t have to say when you’re being sarcastic.
August 2nd, 2007 at 5:55 pmNowhere at all in the article does it say these “witnesses” will be under oath, so it’s not “testimony.” This is not a minor detail, TP folks, please change your headline, it’s inaccurate.
August 2nd, 2007 at 5:59 pmWayne, absolutely not. I felt that I disrespect your service, as your military record makes you a trustee of our nation. That apology was to make clear to you that I wasn’t an unappreciative citizen. I apologize if that statement confused you. I’m simply not the TP die-hard progressive, that’s all, but your views are highly intelligent, regardless. Politics are separate.
August 2nd, 2007 at 6:01 pmCitizen: “I think its safe to surmise that the 3 rounds that went through Ranger Tillman’s forehead in a 2≤ pattern from close proximity is more than likely to have prevented Tillman from calling O’Neil a sniveling coward to his “chaplain†just before he died.”
Exactly. Clear forensic data contradicts testimony. We need to demand an investigation.
August 2nd, 2007 at 6:03 pmI can’t help but think all this drama about executive privilege and cover-ups is meant to take our eye off the real outrage here – that Pat Tillman was murdered. On television, they’re still calling it “friendly fire” as if it is a fact.
August 2nd, 2007 at 6:05 pmIs it truly testimony if all you do is deflect questions by saying “I don’t recall”? Why not call it by its real name: “Three former Bush aides to obfuscate in Tillman inquiry”?
August 2nd, 2007 at 6:13 pmI don’t put it past this administration in pulling off a murder for all the headlines the media could sell to suit them.
August 2nd, 2007 at 6:33 pmI just hope the Tillmans and Cindy Sheehan get some answers.
And, who just did kill Jack Kennedy?
Comment by Zimzone
I DID see the aftermath of a fragging while in ‘Nam and it wasn’t pretty. I only knew the “Fraggee” slightly and he was a first class prick, but still didn’t deserve that! And this was done by people that didn’t trust or respect him, not like we may have with the Tillman incident.
I would surmise that IF this was a deliberate act, it might be more of an ordered act, not one out of personal feelings; and if so, that would scare me more than anything else!
And the cover-up is also disgusting, chickenhawk behavior as well.
You, I and every veteran of the US military should be ashamed of this POS who calls himself the “commander Guy”. He makes Nixon look like George Washington!
I am more
August 2nd, 2007 at 6:36 pmI seem to find from various sources that the projectiles used in the Ranger version of the M4 Assault Rifle are armor piercing. Given that, any transfer of momentum would be minimal and a Kevlar helmet would have been transparent. The three shot burst time is about 1/7th of a second. Using mass ratios and an assumption of 20% inertial transfer, a victims head would move but 1/10th of a cm from first impact to last at 5 cm. At 3 meters, the spread rises to 1 cm and at 10 meters to 3 cm because of the effects of recoil.
August 2nd, 2007 at 6:37 pmJeez, Walt, sounds like you’re pretty booked up on the physics of this technology. So, I’d appreciate your opinion. It looks like murder to me. Do you agree?
August 2nd, 2007 at 6:55 pmJeez, Walt, sounds like you’re pretty booked up on the physics of this technology. So, I’d appreciate your opinion. It looks like murder to me. Do you agree?
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — August 2, 2007 @ 6:55 pm
I agree and I do hold degrees in Physics, CompSci and EE.
August 2nd, 2007 at 7:08 pmIt looks like murder to me. Do you agree?
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — August 2, 2007 @ 6:55 pm
Why must you always resort to “facts” to amke your case, Colonel? Is not “faith” and an “unquavering belief in America” enough for your kind? You need “facts” and even “evidence” too?
Why do “facts” hate America so?
August 2nd, 2007 at 7:10 pmI agree and I do hold degrees in Physics, CompSci and EE.
Comment by WaltTheMan — August 2, 2007 @ 7:08 pm
And “education” too. You guys are never satisfied. What’s wrong w/ “Because we say so”?
August 2nd, 2007 at 7:13 pmNo transcript. What an astonishing concession by Waxman and precedent to set. As the Bush administration launches another delaying tactic, it is aided and abetted by the Democrats.
The people of the United States are not being represented in their government. Not by anyone, not by either party.
August 2nd, 2007 at 7:14 pmHave read all the comments and the Repubs/trolls who “contribute” still have no defense of Bush’s Executive Priviledge claim.
Heh.
August 2nd, 2007 at 7:30 pmMaeven has it right. Same as “taxation without representation.”
Our elected officials have let down America and its People.
BIG MONEY is to BLAME.
When Mom and Pop controled America, it was America.
SOLD OUT by the BIGS!
And don’t forget to PAY THE MAN!
August 2nd, 2007 at 7:38 pmHave read all the comments and the Repubs/trolls who “contribute†still have no defense of Bush’s Executive Priviledge claim.
Heh.
Comment by WC
Because the only excuse for it is to coverup
August 2nd, 2007 at 8:06 pmHave read all the comments and the Repubs/trolls who “contribute†still have no defense of Bush’s Executive Priviledge claim.
Heh.
Comment by WC — August 2, 2007 @ 7:30 pm
August 2nd, 2007 at 9:01 pm——————-
That’s because we don’t presume to know.
Unlike some of the Demlib/moonbats here who concoct vast conspiracy theories involving everyone from Noam Chomsky to Karl Rove to Rupert Murdoch.
“Is everyone else here comfortable with the use of the word MURDER in this instance?
Comment by r”
Yes. When someone is shot three times in the head from 10 yards away, that pretty much constitutes murder. The coroner investigating his death asked for an inquest because he suspected “foul play” (that would be murder)”.
If the killing of Pat Tillman was just an accident then why:
1) Did they burn his uniform and diary at the scene
August 2nd, 2007 at 9:09 pm2) Did they never figure out who pulled the trigger (considering the state of forensics today, that would have been a very easy thing to do)
3) Did they lie about how he was killed.
4) Why did the person standing next to Tillman when he died change his story after his initial interview.
5) Why are they refusing to release his records to Congress.
“Have read all the comments and the Repubs/trolls who “contribute†still have no defense of Bush’s Executive Priviledge claim.
Heh.
Comment by WC — August 2, 2007 @ 7:30 pm
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That’s because we don’t presume to know”
So you will just stand by and let the president steal power he is not constitutionally entitled to because you DON’T PRESUME TO KNOW???? Just follow your orders Herr Gorgias.
August 2nd, 2007 at 9:13 pm“4) Why did the person standing next to Tillman when he died change his story after his initial interview.”
Well, this one I know. The guy was a snivelling **** according to Tillman. Nobody wants to be known as “that guy”.
August 2nd, 2007 at 9:15 pmAide one: “I don’t recallâ€
Aide two: “I don’t recallâ€
Aide three: “I don’t recallâ€
case dismissed
Comment by Menehune — August 2, 2007 @ 2:40 pm
ha!! – i couldn’t believe how many times rumsfeld said that the other day!! – are these bush admin people the guys who run the country and lead the worlds strongest military or are they a convention of alzheimer’s patients who have strayed from a home for the bewildered?
August 2nd, 2007 at 9:42 pmAnd, who just did kill Jack Kennedy?
Comment by theswan
Oswald was set up to be the patsy. Pentagon, CIA, Mafia, FBI, Hunt brothers, and Dallas Police all wanted him dead. Jack Ruby’s only jobs his entire life were with the mafia. A thousand Dallas police knew this. It is not in the Warren Commission Report.
Nixon was in Dallas early that day. GHWBush says he does not remember where he was.
J. Edgar Hoover sent a memo to George Bush of CIA to give a report on international reaction.
Woody Harrelson believes his father (a political hitman) was one of the “tramps” shooter.
Senator Arlen Specter was author of the “magic bullet theory”.
August 3rd, 2007 at 2:22 amthe old “because I said so†of our mommies back when she wanted us to eat all the spinachs…
Comment by Evil Spaniard — August 2, 2007 @ 3:30 pm
!… even in SPAIN ?!?!?
moms – omnipresent!
Comment by katy — August 2, 2007 @ 3:58 pm
Yes, we have moms and spinachs also… a terrible combination worldwide.
evil spaniard & katy,
That’s also what the moms on Mars say when their kids won’t eat their zeeboks!
Comment by Keith G — August 2, 2007 @ 4:02 pm
Sssshhh! I don’t want my mommy to discover zeeboks!
August 3rd, 2007 at 6:37 amcomment #73 sums it up rather well.
August 3rd, 2007 at 10:00 amLots of speculation here. Tillman was a brave soldier killed accidently. Period
August 3rd, 2007 at 12:55 pmCheck this soldier out. I guess they (Bush) did not get to him yet.
Another Hero.
“Scott Thomas Beauchamp, the New Republic’s “Baghdad Diarist,” is sticking to his stories. Well, most of them, anyway; he’s sticking to the ones that haven’t been definitively proved false.” from Powerline blog
August 3rd, 2007 at 1:31 pmMr. “Locked in the Bone” pronounces “Lots of speculation here. – it wuz a accidint – nuthin to see here, ain’t there a NASCAR wreck or sumpin. on FoxRuse?”…
Whether or not Army Specialist Pat Tillman was murdered, there was a coverup. DESPITE Rummy’s assertion to the contrary.
SOMEONE ordered Spc. Bryan O’Neal not to tell truth about Tillman’s death. Personally I think it was Special Ops Lieutenant General Philip Kensinger who purposely evaded a congressional subpeona to testify after he got a slap on the wrist for blowing one of six (count ‘em’ 6!) “investigations”.
The warmonger and mercenary blogsites are all lining up to call anyone wondering what really happened tinfoil hat wearers to cover up the coverup of the cover up.
But if Spc. Bryan O’Neal was ordered not to tell truth, and if
,
Whether murder or fratricide, Former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and all that other top former Pentagon brass flat out LIED when denying any coverup at Waxman’s hearing, didn’t they?
But just how bad is lying about that type of cover up?
In the words of now censured former U.S. Army Special Operations Commander Lieutenant General Philip R. Kensinger Jr. (who evaded Senator Waxman’s subpeona to testify about how Pat Tillman died, why there were snipers firing at him, and the ensuing cover up:
August 3rd, 2007 at 11:45 pm