Comments on: Last night at the YearlyKos convention, http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/05/last-night-at-the-yearlykos-convention/ Fri, 27 Nov 2009 05:34:36 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Candyce http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/05/last-night-at-the-yearlykos-convention/comment-page-16/#comment-3987422 Candyce Mon, 06 Aug 2007 12:56:29 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/05/last-night-at-the-yearlykos-convention/#comment-3987422 I wrote a pretty nice, thoughtful post that was actually on-topic, and it appears to have been eaten by trolls. Nothing insulting or inappropriate. Guessing that this one shows up, but I give up here. I'll continue to read, but when the posts of disruptive readers stand, while too many of my own disappear, it's just too hard to be too involved here. I wrote a pretty nice, thoughtful post that was actually on-topic, and it appears to have been eaten by trolls. Nothing insulting or inappropriate. Guessing that this one shows up, but I give up here. I’ll continue to read, but when the posts of disruptive readers stand, while too many of my own disappear, it’s just too hard to be too involved here.

]]> By: GOP http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/05/last-night-at-the-yearlykos-convention/comment-page-16/#comment-3987414 GOP Mon, 06 Aug 2007 12:32:07 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/05/last-night-at-the-yearlykos-convention/#comment-3987414 I wouldnt exactly call that a "stirring defense" I wouldnt exactly call that a “stirring defense”

]]> By: Democrat Soldier http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/05/last-night-at-the-yearlykos-convention/comment-page-16/#comment-3987400 Democrat Soldier Mon, 06 Aug 2007 12:05:02 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/05/last-night-at-the-yearlykos-convention/#comment-3987400 #753 - "In addition to sampling error, one should bear in mind that question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of opinion polls." Hat eto burt your "I'm so right" bubble, but the error rate is not the end-all answer for accuracy. Here's a poll that you might disagree with on many levels, but the "error rate" is between 2.5 and 3.5. INCREDIBLY accurate based on your criteria. http://people-press.org/reports/pdf/312.pdf #753 – “In addition to sampling error, one should bear in mind that question wording and practical difficulties in conducting surveys can introduce error or bias into the findings of opinion polls.”

Hat eto burt your “I’m so right” bubble, but the error rate is not the end-all answer for accuracy.

Here’s a poll that you might disagree with on many levels, but the “error rate” is between 2.5 and 3.5. INCREDIBLY accurate based on your criteria.

http://people-press.org/reports/pdf/312.pdf

]]> By: Dr. Dog http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/05/last-night-at-the-yearlykos-convention/comment-page-16/#comment-3987373 Dr. Dog Mon, 06 Aug 2007 06:08:20 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/05/last-night-at-the-yearlykos-convention/#comment-3987373 Any more liberals want to fight? I'm snarling. Any more liberals want to fight? I’m snarling.

]]> By: Dr. Dog http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/05/last-night-at-the-yearlykos-convention/comment-page-16/#comment-3987371 Dr. Dog Mon, 06 Aug 2007 06:05:12 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/05/last-night-at-the-yearlykos-convention/#comment-3987371 Until we know the criterion used for determining the margin, we don’t know anything. Comment by barfly YOU don't know anything. Most people know what an error rate is of a poll. The higher the less accurate. The lower the more accurate. But you're too stupid. Until we know the criterion used for determining the margin, we don’t know anything.

Comment by barfly

YOU don’t know anything. Most people know what an error rate is of a poll. The higher the less accurate. The lower the more accurate. But you’re too stupid.

]]> By: barfly http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/05/last-night-at-the-yearlykos-convention/comment-page-16/#comment-3987370 barfly Mon, 06 Aug 2007 06:02:41 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/05/last-night-at-the-yearlykos-convention/#comment-3987370 3% is almost dead on balls accurate. Comment by Dr. Dog Until we know the criterion used for determining the margin, we don't know anything. So next time, do a little research before putting up a questionable poll, and perhaps it won't also bite you on the ass. Now, I've got to turn in, but rest assured I will be around tomorrow, so if you try to float this poll again I'll be here, to stick pins in it.. 3% is almost dead on balls accurate.

Comment by Dr. Dog

Until we know the criterion used for determining the margin, we don’t know anything. So next time, do a little research before putting up a questionable poll, and perhaps it won’t also bite you on the ass.

Now, I’ve got to turn in, but rest assured I will be around tomorrow, so if you try to float this poll again I’ll be here, to stick pins in it..

]]> By: Dr. Dog http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/05/last-night-at-the-yearlykos-convention/comment-page-16/#comment-3987368 Dr. Dog Mon, 06 Aug 2007 05:59:32 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/05/last-night-at-the-yearlykos-convention/#comment-3987368 Oh, come now, Doc. You were so confident just a short while ago. What happened? Comment by barfly You're a moron. Oh, come now, Doc. You were so confident just a short while ago. What happened?

Comment by barfly

You’re a moron.

]]> By: barfly http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/05/last-night-at-the-yearlykos-convention/comment-page-16/#comment-3987367 barfly Mon, 06 Aug 2007 05:58:21 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/05/last-night-at-the-yearlykos-convention/#comment-3987367 "This is all I have." Comment by Dr. Dog Oh, come now, Doc. You were so confident just a short while ago. What happened? “This is all I have.”

Comment by Dr. Dog

Oh, come now, Doc. You were so confident just a short while ago. What happened?

]]> By: Dr. Dog http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/05/last-night-at-the-yearlykos-convention/comment-page-16/#comment-3987366 Dr. Dog Mon, 06 Aug 2007 05:58:14 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/05/last-night-at-the-yearlykos-convention/#comment-3987366 3% is almost dead on balls accurate. 3% is almost dead on balls accurate.

]]> By: barfly http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/05/last-night-at-the-yearlykos-convention/comment-page-16/#comment-3987365 barfly Mon, 06 Aug 2007 05:56:39 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/05/last-night-at-the-yearlykos-convention/#comment-3987365 The poll has come to be viewed by some ... And some view the Cubs as a viable contender for the pennant... The poll has come to be viewed by some …

And some view the Cubs as a viable contender for the pennant…

]]> By: Dr. Dog http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/05/last-night-at-the-yearlykos-convention/comment-page-16/#comment-3987363 Dr. Dog Mon, 06 Aug 2007 05:54:59 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/05/last-night-at-the-yearlykos-convention/#comment-3987363 The poll has come to be viewed by some as a barometer of the pro fessional career military. It is the only independent poll done on an annual basis. The margin of error on this year’s poll is plus or minus 3 percentage points. ----------------- This is all I have. The poll has come to be viewed by some as a barometer of the pro fessional career military. It is the only independent poll done on an annual basis. The margin of error on this year’s poll is plus or minus 3 percentage points.

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This is all I have.

]]> By: barfly http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/05/last-night-at-the-yearlykos-convention/comment-page-16/#comment-3987362 barfly Mon, 06 Aug 2007 05:54:28 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/05/last-night-at-the-yearlykos-convention/#comment-3987362 I have seen polls with a 10-15% error rate, where too many people chose not to respond. This one is pretty accurate. Comment by Dr. Dog Examples? I have seen polls with a 10-15% error rate, where too many people chose not to respond. This one is pretty accurate.

Comment by Dr. Dog

Examples?

]]> By: barfly http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/05/last-night-at-the-yearlykos-convention/comment-page-16/#comment-3987359 barfly Mon, 06 Aug 2007 05:52:56 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/05/last-night-at-the-yearlykos-convention/#comment-3987359 There is only a 2 or 3% sampling error in the Military Times poll. It is pretty close to being dead on balls accurate. Comment by Dr. Dog "The margin of error." And what is the criterion used for determining it, in this specific poll? Your link doen't specify. There is only a 2 or 3% sampling error in the Military Times poll. It is pretty close to being dead on balls accurate.

Comment by Dr. Dog

“The margin of error.”

And what is the criterion used for determining it, in this specific poll? Your link doen’t specify.

]]> By: Dr. Dog http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/05/last-night-at-the-yearlykos-convention/comment-page-16/#comment-3987358 Dr. Dog Mon, 06 Aug 2007 05:51:31 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/05/last-night-at-the-yearlykos-convention/#comment-3987358 I have seen polls with a 10-15% error rate, where too many people chose not to respond. This one is pretty accurate. I have seen polls with a 10-15% error rate, where too many people chose not to respond. This one is pretty accurate.

]]> By: barfly http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/05/last-night-at-the-yearlykos-convention/comment-page-16/#comment-3987355 barfly Mon, 06 Aug 2007 05:46:40 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/05/last-night-at-the-yearlykos-convention/#comment-3987355 "You have ridiculous spin." Comment by Dr. Dog — I noticed that you haven't challenged any of my assertions, merely hugged your poll ever tighter like a security blanket. That you can't mount any kind of real defense shows how little serious thought you've given the matter. Big surprise. “You have ridiculous spin.”

Comment by Dr. Dog —

I noticed that you haven’t challenged any of my assertions, merely hugged your poll ever tighter like a security blanket. That you can’t mount any kind of real defense shows how little serious thought you’ve given the matter.

Big surprise.

]]> By: Dr. Dog http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/05/last-night-at-the-yearlykos-convention/comment-page-16/#comment-3987354 Dr. Dog Mon, 06 Aug 2007 05:43:35 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/05/last-night-at-the-yearlykos-convention/#comment-3987354 The margin of error is a statistic expressing the amount of random sampling error in a survey's results. The larger the margin of error, the less confidence one should have that the poll's reported results are close to the "true" figures; that is, the figures for the whole population. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margin_of_error There is only a 2 or 3% sampling error in the Military Times poll. It is pretty close to being dead on balls accurate. The margin of error is a statistic expressing the amount of random sampling error in a survey’s results. The larger the margin of error, the less confidence one should have that the poll’s reported results are close to the “true” figures; that is, the figures for the whole population.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margin_of_error

There is only a 2 or 3% sampling error in the Military Times poll. It is pretty close to being dead on balls accurate.

]]> By: barfly http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/05/last-night-at-the-yearlykos-convention/comment-page-16/#comment-3987352 barfly Mon, 06 Aug 2007 05:42:49 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/05/last-night-at-the-yearlykos-convention/#comment-3987352 You only need a small sample to poll 1.5 million. Enough was polled to get a + or - of 2 to 3%. You are way off base here. Comment by Dr. Dog A small, accurate sample. This one isn't, for the reasons I've stated. Your poll is still bogus - but if it gives you comfort to believe it, go ahead. You only need a small sample to poll 1.5 million. Enough was polled to get a + or – of 2 to 3%. You are way off base here.

Comment by Dr. Dog

A small, accurate sample. This one isn’t, for the reasons I’ve stated. Your poll is still bogus – but if it gives you comfort to believe it, go ahead.

]]> By: Dr. Dog http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/05/last-night-at-the-yearlykos-convention/comment-page-16/#comment-3987351 Dr. Dog Mon, 06 Aug 2007 05:40:49 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/05/last-night-at-the-yearlykos-convention/#comment-3987351 I would only hope that you would get tired of chasing your tail sooner or later… Comment by barfly You are chasing your tail. You have ridiculous spin. I would only hope that you would get tired of chasing your tail sooner or later…

Comment by barfly

You are chasing your tail. You have ridiculous spin.

]]> By: barfly http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/05/last-night-at-the-yearlykos-convention/comment-page-16/#comment-3987349 barfly Mon, 06 Aug 2007 05:39:42 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/05/last-night-at-the-yearlykos-convention/#comment-3987349 "This is all spin. The proof is in the polling. Deal with it." Comment by Dr. Dog I already have. But you're right about the poll being all spin. I would only hope that you would get tired of chasing your tail sooner or later... “This is all spin. The proof is in the polling. Deal with it.”

Comment by Dr. Dog

I already have. But you’re right about the poll being all spin. I would only hope that you would get tired of chasing your tail sooner or later…

]]> By: Dr. Dog http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/05/last-night-at-the-yearlykos-convention/comment-page-16/#comment-3987348 Dr. Dog Mon, 06 Aug 2007 05:38:14 +0000 http://edit.thinkprogress.org/2007/08/05/last-night-at-the-yearlykos-convention/#comment-3987348 Of respondents. We keep going round, and round… Comment by barfly You only need a small sample to poll 1.5 million. Enough was polled to get a + or - of 2 to 3%. You are way off base here. Of respondents. We keep going round, and round…

Comment by barfly

You only need a small sample to poll 1.5 million. Enough was polled to get a + or – of 2 to 3%. You are way off base here.

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