‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ repeal gains steam.
By on Aug 6th, 2007 at 11:09 am
‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ repeal gains steam.
The Servicemembers Legal Defense Network reports, “Five new lawmakers, including the highest ranking military veteran in Congress, have joined 126 other lawmakers in supporting legislation to repeal the military’s ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ ban on lesbian, gay and bisexual service personnel. Representatives Michael A. Arcuri (D-NY), Brian Baird (D-WA), Adam Schiff (D- CA), Joe Sestak (D-PA) and Brad Sherman (D-CA) all became co-sponsors of The Military Readiness Enhancement Act (H.R. 1246) on Friday, bringing the total number of supporters to 131. Sestak is Congress’s highest-ranking veteran, having served 31 years in the United States Navy and retiring as a 3-star Admiral.”
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Ah, Sestak is such a better representative than Weldon. My hat goes off to you, sir!
August 6th, 2007 at 11:12 amOh, well, an Admiral. What does he know?
/sarcasm (for the humor-challenged)
August 6th, 2007 at 11:12 amWas it a Christian that put 3 rounds in Cpl. Tillman's head? I mean really, what's next an all Christian, republican military? Should we ask about religious preferences and party affiliations too?
August 6th, 2007 at 11:15 amShould we ask about religious preferences and party affiliations too?
Comment by the fly-man — August 6, 2007 @ 11:15 am
According to Dr. Dog, yes. A warrior caste!
August 6th, 2007 at 11:19 amShould we ask about religious preferences and party affiliations too?
Don't forget all those people who listen to Marilyn Manson, play Quake or read Harry Potter.
August 6th, 2007 at 11:19 amFine with me.
I think that homosexual Americans should be allowed to serve just like anyone else, so long as the same rules apply to everyone equally.
August 6th, 2007 at 11:22 amClinton must be bummed.
August 6th, 2007 at 11:22 amClinton must be bummed.
Comment by r
If an aardvark is three feet long, how wide is the moon?
August 6th, 2007 at 11:26 amNo homosexuals in the military -> "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" -> open admission of homosexuals into the military. Progress.
August 6th, 2007 at 11:26 amIt was Clintons idea. No?
August 6th, 2007 at 11:27 amClinton must be bummed.
Comment by r
If an aardvark is three feet long, how wide is the moon?
Comment by gummitch
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Very nicely done, gummitch.
August 6th, 2007 at 11:29 am10 - "It was Clintons idea. No?" Comment by r — August 6, 2007 @ 11:27 am
No, it wasn't.
Pres. Clinton wanted gays to serve openly. The Repubs forced the issue, and enshrined DADT to keep the service "gay-free".
August 6th, 2007 at 11:29 amProgress at the time to be sure, but it is outdated now. Any American who volunteers and meets the criteria to join should not be discriminated against on the basis of sexual orientation.
You don't have to be straight to shoot straight
(can't remember at the moment who said that, I think it was Goldwater)
August 6th, 2007 at 11:29 am10, see 9 and, if necessary, a remedial logic teacher.
August 6th, 2007 at 11:30 amTP: Where is my post? It took a while to write, and it dissappeared into the internets tubes. I think you've got a server problem. You need to get it fixed. I like posting here, but, like everyone else, I don't have time to waste.
August 6th, 2007 at 11:31 amIt's about time. I understand the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy was necessary fifteen years ago because it was the only way to get past the homophobes. (I thought it would be a great idea, but only if heterosexuals would also be required to keep quiet about their sex lives.)
After fifteen years, we have seen that gays can serve and fight as well as their straight counterparts. We have also seen that stereotypes about gays being sex-crazed creatures anxious to recruit straights into their lifestyle are groundless. Requiring gays to stay hidden in the closet while heterosexuals are permitted to be open about their sex lives (some to the point of vulgarity -- but that's another story) is unfair.
As Barry Goldwater -- a Republican as conservative as they come -- once said, "You don't have to be straight to be in the military; you just have to be able to shoot straight."
August 6th, 2007 at 11:32 am"TP: Where is my post? It took a while to write, and it dissappeared into the internets tubes. I think you’ve got a server problem. You need to get it fixed. I like posting here, but, like everyone else, I don’t have time to waste.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius — August 6, 2007 @ 11:31 am"
No......
They are HEAVILY censoring posts.
I posted on a previous thread and it lost all FOUR of my posts because I stated the Republicans are a parasite on our democracy......
Let's see if this makes it....
August 6th, 2007 at 11:33 amRevised position:
Clinton must be bummed because he was the president who had to compromise with Don’t ask Don’t tell. And Bush will be president when that silly rule goes away.
Better?
August 6th, 2007 at 11:37 amAND NEITHER DO MY DAUGHTERS, NOR MY GRANDKIDS!
August 6th, 2007 at 11:38 amTHANK GOD I DONT HAVE TO PARTICIPATE IN BUSHES FREEDUMBS!
August 6th, 2007 at 11:39 amThe "Don't Ask, Don't Tell, Don't Pursue" policy was established at the urging of Senator Sam Nunn of Georgia, who at the time chaired the Senate Armed Services Committee. Nunn insisted that allowing gays to serve in the military would undermine "unit cohesiveness" and could cause "straight" soldiers to be uncomfortable in showers!
Immediately after his first inauguration, President Clinton was attacked viciously by Republicans for his advocacy during the 1992 presidential election campaign of gay Americans serving openly in the U. S. military services. "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" was the result of those attacks, even though the Rand Corportation issued a comprehensive report that debunked completely arguments by those who opposed permitting gays to serve openly in the military.
August 6th, 2007 at 11:39 amI like posting here, but, like everyone else, I don’t have time to waste.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius — August 6, 2007 @ 11:31 am
I've started copying longer posts right before hitting the button, jest in case...
Nice riffing w/ the non sequiturs, BTW. Seems to work.
August 6th, 2007 at 11:39 amComment by r — August 6, 2007 @ 11:37 am
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So, if I understand you correctly, Clinton will be upset that Bush gets all the glory for opening our military to gays? After all of the gay Arabic linguists that have been forced out of our military under Bush? OK. At least they are finally seeing their mistake and taking steps to fix it.
August 6th, 2007 at 11:40 am#18 - Ahh! I see where you're coming from.
Yes, I agree. Pres. Bush has gone out of his way to restrict the freedom of the average citizen, and now he (might) be President when gays are allowed to serve openly.
August 6th, 2007 at 11:41 amYou'd think GOOPers would be all for this. They could finally come out of the closet.
August 6th, 2007 at 11:41 amIf a Dem gets elected president, they will be doing social experiments on the military like this all the time.
August 6th, 2007 at 11:42 am"I Thank God every Day that I will Never EVER have to Defend HOMOS FREEDUMBS, ANYONES FREEDUMBS EVER AGAIN!
AND NEITHER DO MY DAUGHTERS, NOR MY GRANDKIDS!
Comment by F*CKFREEDUMB! — August 6, 2007 @ 11:38 am"
Think this person has issues???
August 6th, 2007 at 11:43 amComment by The Republic of Stupidity — August 6, 2007 @ 11:39 am
thanks.
August 6th, 2007 at 11:43 am#19 - "I Thank God every Day that I will Never EVER have to Defend HOMOS FREEDUMBS, ANYONES FREEDUMBS EVER AGAIN! AND NEITHER DO MY DAUGHTERS, NOR MY GRANDKIDS!" Comment by F*CKFREEDUMB! — August 6, 2007 @ 11:38 am
Don't be shocked when you find your freedoms are curtailed because you refused to stand up for them.
Um, never mind. Pres. Bush is already doing it for you.
August 6th, 2007 at 11:43 am#
You’d think GOOPers would be all for this. They could finally come out of the closet.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — August 6, 2007 @ 11:41 am
#
The reason they are not for it is the second part of your statement -
They could finally come out of the closet ... and serve in the military!
August 6th, 2007 at 11:43 amIt turns out that detergent really isn't what I thought it was.
August 6th, 2007 at 11:44 amTP: Where is my post? It took a while to write, and it dissappeared into the internets tubes. I think you’ve got a server problem. You need to get it fixed. I like posting here, but, like everyone else, I don’t have time to waste.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius
They are probably fed up with you for spamming the threads with useless nonsense.
August 6th, 2007 at 11:44 am#26 - "If a Dem gets elected president, they will be doing social experiments on the military like this all the time." Comment by Brassmask from 3DHS — August 6, 2007 @ 11:42 am
Yeah! Like when they integrated the then-white-only service! How stupid of them!
/Sarcasm
August 6th, 2007 at 11:44 amYeah! Like when they integrated the then-white-only service! How stupid of them!
/Sarcasm
Comment by Democrat Soldier
The Republicans in the senate got that passed.
August 6th, 2007 at 11:45 amMy family and I have recently joined a gym. My question concerns what to do in the locker room when you encounter someone you know. If the person is naked, do you pretend not to notice them?
August 6th, 2007 at 11:46 amhey are probably fed up with you for spamming the threads with useless nonsense.
Comment by Brassmask from 3DHS — August 6, 2007 @ 11:44 am
Some people say Brassmask is a fool. Others claim he's an idiot. What do people know? Let's take a poll!!!
August 6th, 2007 at 11:46 amPoor Clinton.
He must be bummed about this... and letting nearly 1,000,000 Tutsis die in Rwands.
Maybe a pig will lick his weinner, that will cheer him up.
August 6th, 2007 at 11:46 am#
If a Dem gets elected president, they will be doing social experiments on the military like this all the time.
Comment by Brassmask from 3DHS — August 6, 2007 @ 11:42 am
#
How is this a "social experiment"? I served in Iraq for over a year with the US Army. I was often attached to British forces and worked with them daily. Britain allows gays to serve openly. I never had any problems with British troops, they were hardcore soldiers.
August 6th, 2007 at 11:46 amBrassmark, I think you need to see a psychiatrist, something is clearly wrong with your mental state.
August 6th, 2007 at 11:46 amThey could finally come out of the closet … and serve in the military!
Comment by Chris L
56% of the military are Republicans. Only 12% are Democrat.
August 6th, 2007 at 11:46 amHmm, my serious comment concerning my support of the repeal of the "Don't Ask, Don't tell." policy dissapeared into the ether...but my later comment which became Number 27 showed up...
Maybe the other one will get there eventually.
Go figure.
August 6th, 2007 at 11:47 amU.S. shiitake production soared from nearly zero in 1980 to a possible 3 million pounds in 1987.
August 6th, 2007 at 11:48 amBritain allows gays to serve openly. I never had any problems with British troops, they were hardcore soldiers.
Comment by Chris L
You'd have to ask Clinton. He introduced don't ask, don't tell.
August 6th, 2007 at 11:48 am#34 - "The Republicans in the senate got that passed." Comment by Brassmask from 3DHS — August 6, 2007 @ 11:45 am
Ah, so you're fine with "social experiments" as long as it's the R's that do them, but anyone else and you're up in arms.
How partisan of you.
August 6th, 2007 at 11:49 amStand tall, feet slightly wider than shoulder-width apart, knees slightly bent.
August 6th, 2007 at 11:49 amSome people say Brassmask is a fool. Others claim he’s an idiot. What do people know? Let’s take a poll!!!
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — August 6, 2007 @ 11:46 am
Is there an "all of the above" option?
I would choose that one. :)
August 6th, 2007 at 11:50 amNo, No, No. This will cause a conflict within the military. Somebody needs to petition this bill.
August 6th, 2007 at 11:50 amYou’d think GOOPers would be all for this. They could finally come out of the closet.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — August 6, 2007 @ 11:41 am
Careful TRoS, someone could read your post and wonder if you were calling GOPers homosexuals as a deragatory term.
You wouldn’t do that would you?
August 6th, 2007 at 11:50 amI don't think disappearing posts is a TP censoring issue when posts don't post, I think when the system gets too many posts at the same time, it randomly dumps some of them.
August 6th, 2007 at 11:51 am#40 - "56% of the military are Republicans. Only 12% are Democrat." Comment by Dr. Dog — August 6, 2007 @ 11:46 am
Interestingly enough, only 12% of military members have college degrees, while 54% don't. Guess which ones are Democrats?
I don't need not inlcude references to my percentages, just like you haven't.
August 6th, 2007 at 11:51 amSAM:
You never did eat your lunch, did you.
MARION:
(sitting up) I better get back to the office. These extended lunch hours give my boss excess acid.
SAM:
Why don't you call your boss and tell him you're taking the rest of the afternoon off? It's Friday, anyway--and hot.
Sam sits on the bed. They caress and intermix kisses with conversation.
MARION:
What do I do with my free afternoon? Walk you to the airport?
SAM:
August 6th, 2007 at 11:51 amWell, we could laze around here a while longer.
56% of the military are Republicans. Only 12% are Democrat.
Comment by Dr. Dog — August 6, 2007 @ 11:46 am
So there are a lot more gay Republicans in the military than gay Democrats.
Thanks, Dog!
August 6th, 2007 at 11:52 am#47 - "This will cause a conflict within the military." Comment by Daryll — August 6, 2007 @ 11:50 am
And, now you're predicting the future? Or reading tea-leaves? Or looking into a crystal ball?
You're going to hell for that, Darll! Well, you're going to hell for all your lies, but this just adds to it.
August 6th, 2007 at 11:53 amSo there are a lot more gay Republicans in the military than gay Democrats.
Thanks, Dog!
Comment by Zooey — August 6, 2007 @ 11:52 am
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So now you think that only gays should be fighting.
That seems rather harsh.
August 6th, 2007 at 11:53 amAvere le mani in pasta.
August 6th, 2007 at 11:54 amYeah! Like when they integrated the then-white-only service! How stupid of them!
/Sarcasm
Comment by Democrat Soldier
The Republicans in the senate got that passed.
Comment by Brassmask from 3DHS — August 6, 2007 @ 11:45 am
Brassmask, he doesn't realize that it was Republicans who abolished segregation. Democrats supported segregation.
August 6th, 2007 at 11:54 amYou wouldn’t do that would you?
Comment by r — August 6, 2007 @ 11:50 am
Lordy no. I've known plenty of gays over the years. I've never understood what the ballyhoo was about. GOOPers seem to make such a big deal about it, yet they seem to be such closet basket cases when it comes to sex. This would make it easier form them to accept themselves and get over their self-loathing.
August 6th, 2007 at 11:54 amCareful TRoS, someone could read your post and wonder if you were calling GOPers homosexuals as a deragatory term.
You wouldn’t do that would you?
Comment by r — August 6, 2007 @ 11:50 am
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I wouldn't be suprised if he would. Zooey just said that she wanted all the gays to fight for regular people, so that they die sooner.
August 6th, 2007 at 11:55 amYou’d have to ask Clinton. He introduced don’t ask, don’t tell.
Comment by Brassmask from 3DHS — August 6, 2007 @ 11:48 am
#
I asked "How is this a social experiment?" You stated that if a dem is elected pres, they will be conducting social experiments like this all of the time. I don't believe Clinton viewed this as a social expreiment either.
Dr. Dog,
In our congress there is one Iraq war veteran. What party is he part of?
August 6th, 2007 at 11:57 am#56 - "Democrats supported segregation." Comment by Daryll — August 6, 2007 @ 11:54 am
Yes, They DID. Emphasis on the past-tense.
Then, the Democrats started to SUPPORT civil rights. Then all the racist Democrats left to join the Republicans.
Ask Sen. Thurmond. He's quite proud of his racist past, and never ever once apologized for his stance. Now he's burning in hell, and crying about how he wants a re-count.
August 6th, 2007 at 11:58 amFrom points south and west: Rt.301 to Rt.299 into Middletown, follow as above. Or, follow Rt.1 to exit 136 or Rt.13 into Odessa. Left on Rt.299 to left on Silver Lake Rd. School entrance on left.
August 6th, 2007 at 11:58 amNo, No, No. This will cause a conflict within the military. Somebody needs to petition this bill.
Comment by Daryll
____________________________________
The troops will salute and say "yes, sir". If they don't, they can be court martialed. Somebody needs to quit getting all hot and bothered by someone else's sex life.
August 6th, 2007 at 11:58 amLordy no. I’ve known plenty of gays over the years. I’ve never understood what the ballyhoo was about. GOOPers seem to make such a big deal about it, yet they seem to be such closet basket cases when it comes to sex. This would make it easier form them to accept themselves and get over their self-loathing.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — August 6, 2007 @ 11:54 am
Try being a military man that has to take a shower with a gay man. I can bet that the military man feels uncomfortable.
August 6th, 2007 at 11:59 amA child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five.
August 6th, 2007 at 11:59 am#62 - "Somebody needs to quit getting all hot and bothered by someone else’s sex life." Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) — August 6, 2007 @ 11:58 am
The Repub's have an obsession about that stuff. Ask Pres. Clinton.
I guess they have to attack others before the spotlight shines on them. . . . .
August 6th, 2007 at 12:00 pmAvere le mani in pasta.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius
My favorite is with Shitake mushrooms....a lot....like 3 million pounds of 'em...give or take.
August 6th, 2007 at 12:01 pmI could dance with you until the cows come home. On second thought I'd rather dance with the cows until you come home.
August 6th, 2007 at 12:01 pmSend someone to fetch a child of five.
Comment by Marcus Aurelius
Not so fast, Mr. Senator, not so fast.
August 6th, 2007 at 12:01 pmTry being a military man that has to take a shower with a gay man. I can bet that the military man feels uncomfortable.
Comment by Daryll — August 6, 2007 @ 11:59 am
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So you don't believe we should be allies with Britain anymore? They allow gays to serve openly, and our troops work alongside them and share the same facilities every day.
August 6th, 2007 at 12:01 pm#63 - "Try being a military man that has to take a shower with a gay man. I can bet that the military man feels uncomfortable." Comment by Daryll — August 6, 2007 @ 11:59 am
You'd lose. (Anyone surprised? Anyone at all?)
My four years in the Army proved to me that straight men that are comfortable with their sexuality don't care at all.
It's the ones that have questions about their own sexuality that freak out, like some people I can name on this forum. . . . .
August 6th, 2007 at 12:02 pmSomebody needs to quit getting all hot and bothered by someone else’s sex life.†Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC
Well, when they are unable to get 'hot and bothered' by their own sex life, their options become extremely limited.
August 6th, 2007 at 12:03 pmTry being a military man that has to take a shower with a gay man. I can bet that the military man feels uncomfortable.
Comment by Daryll
______________________
PROJECTION- alert
Daryll, I'll take that bet because my money would be on "the military man" (I guess there are no "military women") would be much more concerned about staying alive to return home and have sex with his significant other.
August 6th, 2007 at 12:03 pmComment by SGT Higgins — August 6, 2007 @ 12:01 pm
Ha! Good one!
August 6th, 2007 at 12:03 pmTry being a military man that has to take a shower with a gay man. I can bet that the military man feels uncomfortable.
Comment by Daryll
When did you serve, Daryll?
Please explain to us how you would know this.
August 6th, 2007 at 12:05 pm"56% of the military are Republicans. Only 12% are Democrat."
Comment by Dr. Dog
Wrong again, Doc. Just like last night.
August 6th, 2007 at 12:06 pm#63
August 6th, 2007 at 12:06 pmit makes me uncomfortable to take a shower with another man whether straight or gay. I don't think uncomfortable shower-taking should be a hinderence to fighting terrorism.
Try being a military man that has to take a shower with a gay man. I can bet that the military man feels uncomfortable.
Comment by Daryll
I got an idea...why don't YOU try being a 'military man'.
Darryl,
August 6th, 2007 at 12:06 pmWhy do you only propose that this would be uncomfortable for military 'men'? Are you suggesting that female Soldiers would somehow be immune from feeling uncomfortable in the showers knowing that there was a *gasp* lesbian?
I don’t think disappearing posts is a TP censoring issue when posts don’t post, I think when the system gets too many posts at the same time, it randomly dumps some of them.
Comment by Justice
I think they've got a poor piece of software and a very glitchy server, along with inadequate monitoring by humans.
My "lost" posts invariably connect to the name and email fields emptying out. I'm pretty good about checking to see if the fields are filled before posting, but when the post doesn't appear the fields are also empty. It's irritating and, based on experience at other blogs, completely unnecessary.
August 6th, 2007 at 12:08 pmPlease explain to us how you would know this.
Comment by Wayne
He doesn't 'know', he meant if he were a 'betting' man. Wait a second here...isn't betting (casting lots) a sin?
August 6th, 2007 at 12:09 pmIs Darryl fighting sin with sin (fire w/ fire?)
"I don’t think disappearing posts is a TP censoring issue when posts don’t post, I think when the system gets too many posts at the same time, it randomly dumps some of them.
Comment by Justice — August 6, 2007 @ 11:51 am"
Not true!
I posted FOUR times on another thread that only had 7 or so posts and was that way for a very long time.... NO traffic to that thread and therefore the posts HAD to be censored......
IMPOSSIBLE for FOUR posts of SIMILAR talking points to be dropped by RANDOM!
August 6th, 2007 at 12:10 pmDaryll
"Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's".
Understand this instruction from Jesus before you attempt anymore political commentary.
August 6th, 2007 at 12:11 pm56% of the military are Republicans. Only 12% are Democrat.
August 6th, 2007 at 12:11 pmComment by Dr. Dog — August 6, 2007 @ 11:46 am
90% of the Airforce academy cadets are Christian and 30% of those are evangelicals.
it makes me uncomfortable to take a shower with another man whether straight or gay.
Comment by dim wit
LOL Well when you word it like that, I gotta wonder. If you're able to be straight or gay while taking showers with another man.....do you have a preference? Which is better?
August 6th, 2007 at 12:11 pm#80
August 6th, 2007 at 12:12 pmthe censors are back from their long weekend and are making up for lost time. Interestingly, the homophobic comments by F*CKFREEDUMB! are allowed to stay...
"My four years in the Army proved to me that straight men that are comfortable with their sexuality don’t care at all.
It’s the ones that have questions about their own sexuality that freak out, like some people I can name on this forum. . . . .
Comment by Democrat Soldier — August 6, 2007 @ 12:02 pm"
WELL SAID!!!!
During my 4 years, I never once had any worries about gay men.
I don't see any issue with any man or woman serving who is able to do the job.
That's the problem with Republicans, unless you are like them (GOD HELP US ALL) then you are not "human"!
August 6th, 2007 at 12:13 pm#83
August 6th, 2007 at 12:14 pmI think my problem is that I take baths and at that point if there's another guy in there it doesn't matter if he's straight or gay . . . .
I've just had the same post dropped 5 or 6 times in a row. No obscenitites, just facts. this is getting so annoying.
BTW, the post that keeps getting dropped is about integration of the military. Brassmask keeps saying Repubes in the Senate did it.
It was actually done by Harry Truman w/ executive order #9981.
It's a fact. Look it up.
August 6th, 2007 at 12:15 pmI think my problem is that I take baths and at that point if there’s another guy in there it doesn’t matter if he’s straight or gay . . . .
Comment by dim wit
LOL Yeah, I guess in that situation the point is pretty much moot.
August 6th, 2007 at 12:16 pm90% of the Airforce academy cadets are Christian and 30% of those are evangelicals.
Comment by the fly-man — August 6, 2007 @ 12:11 pm
Frightening statistic.
August 6th, 2007 at 12:17 pmTry being a military man that has to take a shower with a gay man. I can bet that the military man feels uncomfortable.
Comment by Daryll
I got an idea…why don’t YOU try being a ‘military man’.
Darryl,
Why do you only propose that this would be uncomfortable for military ‘men’? Are you suggesting that female Soldiers would somehow be immune from feeling uncomfortable in the showers knowing that there was a *gasp* lesbian?
Comment by SGT Higgins — August 6, 2007 @ 12:06 pm
It is uncomfortable for both men and women. What about the christian soldiers?
August 6th, 2007 at 12:19 pmThe Republicans in the senate got that passed.
Comment by Brassmask from 3DHS — August 6, 2007 @ 11:45 am
Please provide a link to support this. Harry Truman issued Executive Order 9981 on July 26, 1948 to desegregate the armed forces. The Senate had nothing to do with this.
http://www.trumanlibrary.org/anniversaries/desegblurb.htm
August 6th, 2007 at 12:26 pmWhat about the christian soldiers?
Comment by Daryll — August 6, 2007 @ 12:19 pm
I find the term "christian soldiers" troubling all by itself.
August 6th, 2007 at 12:26 pmWhat about the christian soldiers?
_________________________
They should just go onward.
August 6th, 2007 at 12:28 pmIt is uncomfortable for both men and women. What about the christian soldiers?
Comment by Daryll
The christian fanatics like you are the closeted gays that you really have to watch out for if you drop the soap.
August 6th, 2007 at 12:31 pmIt is uncomfortable for both men and women. ---------- In your opinion, Darryl. Don't project your possible (we'll never know, will we?) reaction onto every Soldier in the military.
What about the christian soldiers? --- What about us?
Comment by Daryll
Darryl, try capitalizing both Soldier and Christian. Just a bit of respect on your part, if you don't mind. You know, being a Christian and all.
August 6th, 2007 at 12:32 pmbtw, that sure is a nice photo of Gino smashing a vigin Mary statue. Proud of him, ain't ya?
Maybe now we can let back in all those Arabic translators that were fired for being gay.
You know, the one's that were on the front lines of the war on terror, but got discharged because protecting the homeland comes second to keeping the man-on-man grossness out of the military.
August 6th, 2007 at 12:32 pmhttp://www.trumanlibrary.org/anniversaries/desegblurb.htm
Comment by missmolly — August 6, 2007 @ 12:26 pm
You go, missmolly. I tried posting the whole executive order about 6 times but TP kept nixing the post, somehow.
August 6th, 2007 at 12:33 pmDaryll
“Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is God’sâ€.
Understand this instruction from Jesus before you attempt anymore political commentary.
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) — August 6, 2007 @ 12:11
Patriot, why aren't you supporting Bush? He needs your support.
August 6th, 2007 at 12:36 pmI would like to see TP find a Constitutional Scholar to discuss the Valid nature of Executive Orders.
They are NOWHERE in the Constitution and are ILLEGAL!
The President CANNOT make laws!!!!! Only the Congress can, yet these EO's give the president the power to make laws.
Why can't TP start a topic about how abused our Constitution is with this alone?
August 6th, 2007 at 12:37 pmPatriot, why aren’t you supporting Bush? He needs your support.
Comment by Daryll — August 6, 2007 @ 12:36 pm
Bush needs strong meds to keep functioning.
August 6th, 2007 at 12:43 pmOne more thing then I'll shut up on this topic:
Hoekstra in a statement released to RAW STORY Saturday night after the House passed his legislation said that, "he [bush] would use momentum from Congressional Republicans’ efforts to fix FISA to push for comprehensive reform of the law to...obtain retroactive liability for parties who may have aided the government."
Retroactive liability. It's coming, folks. Dem's will cave in on this proposal also.
August 6th, 2007 at 12:44 pmBush needs strong meds to keep functioning.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — August 6, 2007 @ 12:43 pm
What about Hillary? I believe that she has become somewhat of a nut.
August 6th, 2007 at 12:50 pmYou go, missmolly. I tried posting the whole executive order about 6 times but TP kept nixing the post, somehow.
Comment by The Republic of Stupidity — August 6, 2007 @ 12:33 pm
I know -- I've been suffering from dropped posts, too. I don't know what's up with TP, but I'm glad this one made it.
August 6th, 2007 at 12:56 pmStill, on the other hand, water is water!
August 6th, 2007 at 1:15 pmWHY in the world do so many people think that a group shower is a perfect location for a romantic rendevous? I hardly think that two people trying to get it on (regardless of what sex they are) in that environment would go unnoticed. The hypothetical situation is so absurd I can't believe so many people are obsessed over it.
How in the world did homophobes ever make it through high school gym class?
August 6th, 2007 at 1:16 pmHow in the world did homophobes ever make it through high school gym class?
Comment by missmolly — August 6, 2007 @ 1:16 pm
By peeking and self-loathing.
August 6th, 2007 at 1:19 pmThe US taxpayer does not need the services of men and women who are fond of the same sex any longer thanks to King Bush's private army.
"Halliburton and a myriad of armed security companies, private military contractors comprise the second largest "force" in Iraq, far outnumbering all non-U.S. forces combined. There are as many as 100,000 civilian contractors and approximately 20,000 private security forces." --2005 FRONTLINE: Private Warriors.
Frontline has the only pair of journalistic brass balls. MSM sux ass!!
August 6th, 2007 at 1:50 pmPatriot, why aren’t you supporting Bush? He needs your support.
Comment by Daryll
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Because Bush has USED the faith community to advance his political career and an agenda that is socially immoral, anti-democractic, and destructive to relationships with anyone outside his narrow and narrow-minded cabal, including patriotic Americans who disagree with him. And it's not about what HE needs. It's about what OUR COUNTRY needs.
August 6th, 2007 at 1:56 pmComment by TJ Johnstonian — August 6, 2007 @ 1:50 pm
And how much is Uncle Sam paying for these private security forces? If we're getting a better deal for them than we do with our regular armed forces, then maybe we ARE better off with privatization (like the Repubs have been telling us all this time).
Considering the amount of money we've been paying out, I have my doubts, though.
August 6th, 2007 at 2:01 pmNow HOW would I know that teeny tiny daryll would post on a "don't ask, don't tell" thread???
August 6th, 2007 at 2:49 pmDRxJ
Is it my imagination or is Daryll beginning to avoid real debate with you and me over the religious issues which underlie his political stance? For example, he never really responded to my call for him to understand the "Render unto Caesar ..." command.
August 6th, 2007 at 3:04 pmThis is what I dont get: The Democrats [one more time] proved themselves to be incapable of standing up to George Bush on behalf of all Americans on the illegal spying issue, yet now they're getting ready to start a fight over DADT. I dont get it!
This is just another one of those "cultural war" that benefits/affects a very small minority of the people of this country. There are more important issues affecting all Americans, straight and gays.
before we start a fight over DADT, how about you impeach Bush, Cheney, and Gonzalez? How about you bring the war to an end? how about you restore the constitution that GWB has all but destroyed? how about you close GITMO? How about Healthcare for all Americans?
August 6th, 2007 at 5:08 pmI realize this thread is probably dead, but had to add this.
I'm a retired senior NCO (AF), I went in in 1972 and retired in '94. The whole "should gays be in the military" argument is utter nonsense! Gays are and always have served. I knew quite a few and no one gave a damn! It's just that they had to lead a "secret" life. Utter nonsense. Who cares what someone's sexual orientation is? Unless it's pedophilia, or rape...It's nobodies buisness.
Get rid of DADT. Folks gays are here to stay, all walks of life. Now the evangelicals on the other hand.......BAN THEM!
August 6th, 2007 at 5:34 pmThis policy needs to go. Gay Americans who are ready to serve their country have every right to serve. Their sexual orientation has nothing to do with their competence. This policy is discriminatory and needs to be changed.
August 6th, 2007 at 5:53 pm56% of the military are fascists?
12% are Americans?
Where's the link with the proof of this nonsense?
August 7th, 2007 at 5:39 pm