Comment by Troll — August 6, 2007 @ 9:08 pm

Insisting doesn’t make it so. Unless your purpose was to demonstrate your inability to reason or your willingness to spout nonsense for the benefit of some bizarre agenda, then you have failed. If your purpose was either of those aims, then you have succeeded admirably.

Whatever your ulterior purpose, you’ve been a total failure. Sorry to break it to you.

Comment by gorn by any other name — August 6, 2007 @ 7:17 pm

Exposed? I call myself TROLL. Exposed?? My point has been to make the central issue the fact that dems voted for this legislation and you toadys have carried my water well. You are funny gorn. IF I was trollish I would have served my purpose well and it would certainly be you who would have recieved the beating and have something to learn for I have occupied a considerable amount of your time and energy as well as the thread. As it is I am a troll of a different nature. A troll who tries not to be trollish but a troll non the less only because I am not a toady and will not carry TPs or the dems water. So I remain Troll. And you are toady. Carry on.

Comment by Iohannes Scottus Eriugena — August 6, 2007 @ 7:36 pm

If, as you guys seem to complain, TP (and libs in general) “can’t stand letting the other side talk”, then how do you explain these posts being allowed to remain?

*crickets*

Comment by GitMORules!!!!!!!! — August 6, 2007 @ 2:19 pm
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You’re exactly right.

Oh, BS.

At worst, (some) Dems are reactive to the this authoritarian Administration. You may call some cowardly or ineffective. Fine. But the Administration is the root of the evil. Rather than attack the root (ahem), you choose to forgive the root and attack the reaction.

But your attack is merely a ruse for your supposed true cause, which is to attack policies of past Democratic administrations going back 70+ years.

If the latter is your true cause, it does not belong in this thread. Take it to your own blog. Invite us to the discussion, and perhaps some of us will take the time to visit your blog and shred your arguments to bits over there.

If you continue to post on this thread, it proves only that your real cause is to defend the current authoritarian regime by attacking the opposition. As such, your claim to being in favor of freedom and against authoritarianism is plainly a lie. Nobody is fooled, so why persist?

Do what trolls do. Change your name to something else, and tilt at some windmills on another thread. Maybe you’ll have learned from this beating not to be so easily exposed next time.

Go figure.

Memo to Troll: All republicans voted for this and a majority of dems didn’t vote for this. I know that’s a subtle distinction to someone like you who tends to look at the world like a gradeschooler, but nonetheless, it is a distinction.

Lincoln (D) – DLC
Pryor (D) – DLC
Feinstein (D) – DLC
Salazar (D) – DLC
Carper (D) – DLC
Nelson (D) – DLC
Inouye (D) – DLC
Bayh (D) – DLC
Landrieu (D) – DLC
Mikulski (D)
Klobuchar (D) – new seantor DSCC’s chosen candidate.
McCaskill (D) – new senator Vice-chair of the Third Way
Nelson (D) – DLC
Conrad (D) – DLC
Casey (D) – new senator DSCC chosen candidate
Webb (D) – new senator DSSC chose candidate
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sourcelink:

(scroll down to # 20)
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FYI:

“DLC” stands for those who belong to the Democratic Leadership Concerence (and are therefore closet neocons in my opinion)

“DSCC” syands for members of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee, an insider Politial Action Committee.

“THIRD WAY” describes itself as the voice for the “radical center”, and is movement dedicated to creating a society based on Justice, Community and Individual freedom against one that is based on Greed, Globalisation and Tyranny.

My point has everything to do with this thread. TP has been playing the fisa issue as a republicans are evil for a long time. The facts are that the dems are no better and they proved it on this issue, on the iraq war issue, on the patriot act issue etc etc etc.

Comment by Troll — August 6, 2007 @ 6:02 pm

–sigh– my last reply to this never posted, so I’ll try again…

Troll: Why must your outrage be directed at “who I think it should”?

Because we don’t believe you. The response you gave doesn’t ring true to who you claim to be — namely, an “anti-authoritarian”.

“States’ rights” is not the same thing as “anti-authoritarian”. Bush has been the most authoritarian President in a generation. If you truly were anti-authoritarian as you claim, then you would be outraged at all of the excesses that I mentioned. The minority group of conservative Democrats joining the rock-solid Republican caucus to hand the President nearly everything he wanted would have been the latest straw, sure, but it would have been small potatoes.

When asked about your assessment of the President’s long-held position, you defended him as having purer motives than the Democrats.

What kind of anti-authoritarian defends authoritarian acts because they are sincerely pursued?

That’s why we don’t buy your act.

Fine, then create your own blog and invite people to it to discuss.

Don’t hijack a thread that has NOTHING to do with your supposed point.

Oh, and you might want to choose a name better than “Troll”, which plainly enough projects your intentions.

Comment by Troll — August 6, 2007 @ 4:18 pm

where is that, troll? not Iraq, I’m sure.

I am not against American civil government. I am opposed to the federal gov usurping the authority of the states. I am in favor of keeping the limits which the constitution dictates. I am in favor of more local authority which is far more responsive to the will of its constituents.

These are the principles which before the 30s held sway and which since then have slowly been chipped away at which has done damage to our nation.