You’re chaning the subject. The issue isn’t whether the US should or should not monitor — it should. The issue is whether the Constitution — requiring a warrant — will be respected. This Congress has defied the Constitution. It has illegally transferred to the AG the power to issue General warrants. That is illegal.

It is a false choice to pretend that unless this illegal power was gratned we woul dnot be safe. The President was illegally doing this before Sept 2001, and we were attacked. Whether technoclogy or information is or isn’t used, oerated, accssed is secondary: The Constitution does not permit this Act; it does permit lawful judicial oersight. This Congress has defied its oath.

Members of Congress need to be prosecuted for this illegal act; and all contractors, DoJ Staff, and NSA personnel relying on this act should reasonbly know it is not lawful; and contrary to the Constitution.

Please stop making excuses for illegal activity. No one is suggesting that surveillance cannot lawfully be done. Yet, the AG is lying when he says he doesn’t have the time or resoruces to do this lawfully. You offer no explanatyion why, when the AG was lying, the DOJ Staff were working on non-official businsess during duty hours. hardly an overworked staff; more a reckless DoJ management.

I urge all Americans reading this blog to review the information showing the members of Congress, contrary to their oath, had reservations; and well know this act is illegal. This is the basis to prosecute these Members of Congress. They are domestic enmies. Time to put them under surveillance.

http://www.freedomfchs.com/unwarranted_surveillance.pdf

I have long wondered what it was like for Roman citizens, in the final decades of their nation, as it wound down – did they see it coming? Did they do anything to stop it?

Comment by SteveGinIL — August 8, 2007 @ 12:54 am

Well there’s one thing you can know for certain, that pretending they weren’t Romans wasn’t the answer.

The US built and operates the world’s global surveillence infrastructure and is its primary beneficiary.
What do you think the odds are you are going to opt out of this, ever ?

This action supported by so many Democrats caught the entire nation by surprise. They sandbagged us all. Sold us down the river.

What in the freaking world were they thinking????????????????????

I donated money to more than one of them, and I will tell you one thing: They won’t get one penny from me again.

I have long wondered what it was like for Roman citizens, in the final decades of their nation, as it wound down – did they see it coming? Did they do anything to stop it?

. . . . Steve

How can anyone explain how this new Congress has so quickly become Bush yes-men – refusing to tackle the issues that Americans feel are most important. There’s something surreal about it – and they have a lot of explaining to do. This completey blew any credibility the Congress may have been trying to build. What a disappointment…

So, if it became popular to email random numbers to several randomly selected email addresses each day, then the cray supercomputers at nsa would be clogged up attempting to crack data from random inputs.

It is said that they can crack a 256 key in about 8 hours. I wonder how long they’d try to crack a long string of meaningless 0’s and 1’s. A week?

The point is that a blanket spying program would not work, it’s too easy to wrench.

Anyone declaring they will shut down the NSA which operates global surveillance of telephone and internet relays and closing the agency completely would appear to be the only solution unless someone can figure out that the US is on that same globe ?
No ?

Oh well, I guess there’s some unspecified reasons to expect that the same agencies that operated under the last Democrat President won’t be doing the only thing they are designed to under the next one.

Best of luck with that. Or more to the point, best of luck with pretending you believe that for the duration.

I guess when Hillary is president, you will be okay with the expanded power of the wiretap.

Comment by Krazny — August 7, 2007 @

Except Hillary won’t see this bill. So you are asking am I okay with the concept of different Presidents.

This changes nothing in regard to the US intercepting all my communications, as I’m not a US resident.

It actually changes nothing in regard to the US intercepting all of yours either unless you are stupid enough to believe that Canada intercepts all your calls using NSA equipment and programs without the involvement of the NSA.

This bill merely legitimises those programs undertaken by the Bush administration which haven’t even bothered to adhere to the loopholes of the law and have just ploughed right through them.

Hillary doesn’t factor into this, nor is there anything to suggest she will ever see this bill. So really all you are saying is that you’re happy with Bush getting this. Okay.

Moe, a depression-era boxing promoter, meets curly when he orders lunch at the restaurant where Curly works. Larry is a nearby street musician, and plays ‘Pop Goes the Weasel’ on his violin. When Curly hears ‘Pop Goes the Weasel’ he goes nuts and knocks out a boxing champ. Moe hatches a scheme to use Curly’s reaction to the tune to promote him as a great fighter. At the title fight, Larry’s violin is accidentally destroyed. Bedlam ensues.

Comment by Marcus Aurelius — August 7, 2007 @ 11:13 am

Have you seen the one where Moe plays a Roman who tries to look like he has principles by issuing a challenge to everyone to stand behind what they believe in then pussies out of doing the same thing himself ?

Try today blog Balkinization to check this out. The AG can continue to read you mail, check you e-mail and listen to your calls until Jan 2009.

Why does everyone seem to forget who we are dealing with. Liar in Chief and to quote from above “Yellow dog Dems.

As owner of the Texas Rangers, dubya brought all his closest buds in to On the Border in Arlington. He left a #30 tip on a @1,200 bill.

If you’ve ever waited tables. that sucks.

He took over the restaurant. We depend on that money to pay our tuiton, for our rent for our healthcare.

Thanks dubya.

Nuts to you!

You are a traitor! Beware!

If there is to be surveillance in America, then let it be directed toward the WH and Cheney’s dungeon. Why should they be exempt? These criminal bastards–our so-called leaders–are the ones that need to be watched–by We, the People.

And #35–I completely agree with your sentiments toward that “neocon fascist pig!!”

USA Today:

A skittish Congress allowed itself to be stampeded last week into granting the president unfettered surveillance power. When it returns to Washington, it should do what it can to make sure that the sun goes down on this flawed measure.

My guess is they wanted this to pass, because we will have a Dem President soon, and they do so much want as much power as they can grab just as the Pubs do.

on off note, Rocky I almost peed my pants laughing at your post about the granny.

I am a granny….and I would guess that I might be subversive to this administration, lol. I protest, and all that too. One of my buddies got arrested for protesting “outside” the free speech zone” lol.

Yep I might not mind too much if the shrub ate some peanuts, lolol.

Comment by jack moss — August 7, 2007 @ 3:09 pm

Aw… and folks call the lefties “extremist”.

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