Right-Wing Preacher Plans Funeral Protest Against Victims of Minneapolis Bridge Collapse
Right-Wing Preacher Plans Funeral Protest Against Victims of Minneapolis Bridge Collapse
Right-wing preacher Fred Phelps’ “anti-gay hate group Westboro Baptist Church” has traveled the country disrupting military funerals. His cult has picketed dozens of burial services with messages such as “Thank God For AIDS” and “God Hates Fags.” Phelps is once again exploiting calamity and catastrophe to promote his right-wing cause. Minnesota Monitor reports:
The Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan., plans to stage protests at funerals of victims of the 35W bridge collapse to state that God made the bridge fall because he hates America, and especially Minnesota, because of its tolerance of homosexuality.
Shortly after the bridge’s collapse, the Westboro group put out this release:
In response to the July 2005 London attacks, Phelps posted this release:
Thank God for the bombing of London’s subway today - July 7, 2005 - wherein dozens were killed and hundreds seriously injured. Wish it was many more.
There are only 70 members of the Westboro church, “60 of whom are related to Phelps through blood or marriage or both.”
Phelps’ protests at military funerals forced Congress to pass the Respect for America’s Fallen Heroes Act in 2006, which “bars protests within 500 feet of a military cemetery from 60 minutes before to 60 minutes after a funeral if those protests involve disruptive noises or other disturbances.” Banned from military funerals, Phelps is excited to be taking his hate agenda to the victims in Minneapolis.
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Minnesota Nice will only extend so far….
August 7th, 2007 at 12:27 pmThis guy is not right wing. He is crazy.
August 7th, 2007 at 12:28 pmWhy this site provides this miscreants with free publicity is beyond me.
August 7th, 2007 at 12:28 pmIm not even sure what to say? I wonder if there on the “terror” watch list
August 7th, 2007 at 12:29 pmPhelps—posterboy for the Far Right
August 7th, 2007 at 12:29 pmHorrifying. I find the level of hate Phelps and his kind carry with them to be incomprehensible. If “the gay” disappeared off the earth tomorrow, they’d find some other reason to spew their filth.
August 7th, 2007 at 12:30 pmYou go, Fred! Show the world the bare nekkid truth of the fundie wordlview that so many of them try to hide behind blow-dried hairstyles and leisure suits.
“Love one another? F*ck that!”
August 7th, 2007 at 12:30 pmThese are my people. Phelps is my left hand man. Repent America!
August 7th, 2007 at 12:31 pmPhelps—posterboy for the Far Right
Comment by . — August 7, 2007 @ 12:29 pm
I think if he weren’t carrying on with this funeral lunacy, the wingnuts would be ok with him.
August 7th, 2007 at 12:32 pmRight Wing?
According to Mother Jones:
Phelps remained prominent in state and local politics, working for years as a major organizer for the state’s Democratic Party. (He still calls himself a Democrat, refusing to change just because his party has.) In 1988, Phelps housed campaign workers for Al Gore’s first presidential run; in 1989, his eldest son, Fred Jr., hosted a fundraiser for Gore’s Senate campaign at his home.
http://www.motherjones.com/ news/ feature/ 1999/ 03/ lauerman.html
he’s just nuts.
August 7th, 2007 at 12:33 pmWhat an utter hate-filled dirtbag. I mean, thank Cthulhu for free speech and the right to protest, but some people really abuse the privilege.
August 7th, 2007 at 12:33 pmGeez, he’s not the mouthpiece for the right!
August 7th, 2007 at 12:34 pmHe’s a whackjob!
It’s why he has only a few dozen supporters.
This guy is not right wing. He is crazy.
Comment by Kevin
Please explain the difference. Plus, don’t forget he’s a preacher too.
August 7th, 2007 at 12:34 pmThis guy is truly a sick individual, and so are his followers (mostly members of his family).
I support individual freedom for all up to a certain point, but for this morally bankrupt jerk to intrude on the grief of people who lost loved ones in the tragedy is beyond the pale.
There was a motorcycle group who have volunteered in the past to keep Phelps and his group at bay for military funerals they tried to disrupt. Are they still doing that?
August 7th, 2007 at 12:35 pmRead the press release for the bridge collapse. Unbelievable.
August 7th, 2007 at 12:35 pmIf Jesus and his original disciples were ANYTHING like these guys, the Christian religion would never have survived.
These guys are disgusting, dispicable, hate-filled, hypocritical examples of what Jesus taught AGAINST.
If they disrupt a funeral, they should be jailed and fined heavily.
August 7th, 2007 at 12:36 pmAgreed, Phelps is no more representative of the Right than Ward Churchill is of the Left.
Phelps is a whack-job, no question. But just because he was a Democrat in the eighties doesn’t mean he’s not Far Right today. Heck, Zell Miller was a Democratic Congressman a few years ago, and you can’t say he’s not a right-winger.
August 7th, 2007 at 12:37 pmMinneapolis police have pretty low tolerance for anyone they deem troublemakers. They’ll beat heads if these nuts jaywalk.
August 7th, 2007 at 12:38 pmPhelps is truly evil; he’d be in jail for life on child abuse charges if not for some spineless pols and cops in Kansas. Also, Topeka is pretty wingnut, so they may hate him, but they don’t necessarily disagree with him on some major points.
August 7th, 2007 at 12:38 pmPhelps is a registered Democrat.
August 7th, 2007 at 12:38 pmHe supported Clinton and Al Gore.
Get your facts right TP.
Nice Propaganda Hit piece.
This might embarrass some of you dems getting ready to fry the right for this ahole, so hold on to your socks:
Ahem…
“Phelps remained prominent in state and local politics, working for years as a major organizer for the state’s Democratic Party. (He still calls himself a Democrat, refusing to change just because his party has.) In 1988, Phelps housed campaign workers for Al Gore’s first presidential run; in 1989, his eldest son, Fred Jr., hosted a fundraiser for Gore’s Senate campaign at his home.
Phelps has frequently run for public office — for governor in 1990, ‘94, and ‘98, for the Senate in ‘92 — always losing the primaries by a landslide. Because of their years as loyal Democrats, the Phelpses have even been invited to — and attended — both of Clinton’s inaugurations.”
August 7th, 2007 at 12:39 pmFred Phelps is a Five Point Calvinist. That qualifies as right wing. If you think the Democratic party is all that “left wing” I have a bridge in Brooklyn I’d like to sell you.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_points_of_Calvinism
Yes. He is nuts. What right winger isn’t?
August 7th, 2007 at 12:39 pmI’m suprised no ones seriously messed these assclowns up yet.
August 7th, 2007 at 12:39 pmPhelps, his daughter, and all their inbred followers are wac..
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August 7th, 2007 at 12:40 pmPlease post the biker info missmolly…Good reason for me to become a biker chick….Blessings
August 7th, 2007 at 12:40 pmPhelps is a registered Democrat.
He supported Clinton and Al Gore.
Get your facts right TP.
Nice Propaganda Hit piece.
Comment by Bugs Bunny — August 7, 2007 @ 12:38 pm
Anyone can register as anything they want, and say they can say they support whomever they want. That’s weak, Bugs.
You support this guy?
August 7th, 2007 at 12:41 pmIf you twittering birds werent so busy preparing your hysterical attacks against Christians by trying to equate them to Phelps the Pig, you might have more time to investigate rather than just accepting what TP prints.
August 7th, 2007 at 12:41 pmThis is how you fight a monster like Phelps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ2QY_1sXCI
August 7th, 2007 at 12:42 pmFor some hair-raising reading, check this out: http://www.baptistwatch.org/fredphelps.html
Wingnuts: Phelps may call himself a Democrat, but his gaybashing is pure Republican.
August 7th, 2007 at 12:43 pmRight-wing preacher Fred Phelps’….
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Fred Phelps is - and always has been - a Democrat.
Why here he is writing Al Gore a check: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/ images/ 20001025_xnjdo_FredTimGore1.jpg
August 7th, 2007 at 12:45 pmAnyone can register as anything they want, and say they can say they support whomever they want. That’s weak, Bugs.
Apparently he called himself a dem long enough to get attended to Clinton’s big party not once but twice.
If you want to write him off because he only says he is a democrat, then I can write him off for saying he is a Christian.
I do believe there is common ground to hate this jerkoff but as a self-proclaimed Christian democrat, he has managed to get all of us ranting at one another.
And yes, they have come close to getting “messed up” by others; my Patriot Guard group have encountered them and managed to persuade them to move a bit farther away than they would have liked.
August 7th, 2007 at 12:45 pmthe gore story is an old, twisted, r.w. propoganda piece…
debunked and demythed long ago…
the westboro gang are certifiably nuts…
i also wonder about any publication who would take their money
August 7th, 2007 at 12:45 pmand print such garbage, if any…
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I don’t care if Phelps calls himself a Democrat, a Republican, or an Independent. He is, regardless of any of his self appointed titles, a purveyor of hate, oppression, and disrespect. The political question is about who will stand up against him and his agenda, in all of its manifestations.
August 7th, 2007 at 12:45 pmBread, your posts are so stupid they make my teeth hurt. Name a “Christian” leader who isn’t a wingnut. I didn’t find many; how many can you name?
August 7th, 2007 at 12:46 pmWingnuts: Phelps may call himself a Democrat, but his gaybashing is pure Republican.
Comment by NoOneYouKnow
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I’m a Republican and I have no problems with gay people, in fact many of my close friends are gay.
August 7th, 2007 at 12:47 pmComment by NoOneYouKnow — August 7, 2007 @ 12:43 pm
The photo of Fred Phelps titled: A cheerful Fred in Topeka, Kansas
He doesn’t look so much ‘cheerful’ as bat-sh!t crazy.
August 7th, 2007 at 12:47 pmI strongly believe that giving Phelps and his hatemongers even one bit of coverage encourages them. I suggest a total moratorium on coverage. They are a tiny group of haters, representing only themselves, and should be shunned by ALL media, including liberal blogs.
August 7th, 2007 at 12:48 pmPlease post the biker info missmolly…Good reason for me to become a biker chick….Blessings
Comment by Sharon — August 7, 2007 @ 12:40 pm
Here you go — there are several news articles like this one:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp-dyn/ content/ article/ 2006/ 02/ 18/ AR2006021801422.html
And here’s an interview with the Patriot Guard Riders:
http://www.cycleconnections.com/ articledetail.asp?TypeID=9&ID=898&admin=1
August 7th, 2007 at 12:49 pmPhelps picketed the funeral of Al Gore’s father.
August 7th, 2007 at 12:49 pmFred Phelps has no more than 100 suporters, many of whom are family members.
The guy is an extreme fringe, nutcase who represents virtually nobody, Republican or Democrat.
August 7th, 2007 at 12:49 pmPhelps is so far out there, he is way beyond the edge of either left or right. He is a nutcase who needs serious meds and therapy. It is unfortunate, that his hate has spread to soldiers funerals, and now this. Minnesotans may be calm by nature, but this sort of thing is sure to get the dander up of the Sons of Norway.
August 7th, 2007 at 12:50 pmOr Christian
August 7th, 2007 at 12:51 pmI strongly believe that giving Phelps and his hatemongers even one bit of coverage encourages them. I suggest a total moratorium on coverage. They are a tiny group of haters, representing only themselves, and should be shunned by ALL media, including liberal blogs.
Comment by debkakes — August 7, 2007 @ 12:48 pm
Monsters thrive in the dark. We need to switch on the light.
August 7th, 2007 at 12:51 pmaarrrgh — TP isn’t letting me post anything. I hope this one gets through.
to Sharon, who wanted some info on the motorcyclists who blocked Phelps and his group from disrupting funerals:
It won’t let me post links, but if you Google “Patriot Guard Riders” you will find their website, a Wikipedia entry, and numerous articles from the MSM.
August 7th, 2007 at 12:52 pmFred Phelps; hated by moonbats and wingnuts alike.
August 7th, 2007 at 12:52 pmApparently, TP filters do not allow posting text from Wiki, or about Phelps, or Gore or something. Tried three times and completely failed to post.
Look up Phelps on Wikipedia and read the section on opposition to Clinton and Gore. This is just old, tired Republic lying by omission.
August 7th, 2007 at 12:53 pmMy guess, at risk of attributing too much intelligence to this nig-nog, is that he continues to call himself a Democrat because he knows he’s a detrimental figure, much like how I used to register as a Republican so that I could vote in the primaries for the most unelectable candidate I could imagine. They are crazies from all sides of the political continuum but this type of crap is way more right than left and the trolls here know it.
August 7th, 2007 at 12:53 pmComment by missmolly — August 7, 2007 @ 12:52 pm
Same problems here, repeatedly.
August 7th, 2007 at 12:54 pmi just e-mailed the link from Fred’s group to the Minnesota branch of The Patriot Guard, they’ve dealt with his group before. I went to a service on Memorial day 2 years ago here in Maryland. He was totally shut out. The local municipality usually denies Fred’s group the proper permit for arcane bureaucratic reasons and the Guard usually stands by if they get too close. We’ll see.
August 7th, 2007 at 12:54 pmBread, your posts are so stupid they make my teeth hurt. Name a “Christian†leader who isn’t a wingnut. I didn’t find many; how many can you name?
Youre just naturally stupid and those are cavities, see a dentist once in a while.
What youre trying to do is take an extreme example like Falwell so that you can paint all Christians as being as doltish as he is, yet by a long shot mainstream Christians dont listen to guys like him.
You want an example? Fine, Father Michael McMillan, leader of the Message of Faith Church in Rochester, MN. Currently he is working in Liberia at various Christian NGO’s trying to help the desperately poor people who live there. He has been there for over a year with his bills paid mostly by his congregation, which is about one year longer than you have ever given to those in need.
Twit.
August 7th, 2007 at 12:54 pmhmmm. a troll here would NEVER only tell half the story, would they?
only when the facts are convenient do you agree with them, trolls. only when the facts are convenient.
August 7th, 2007 at 12:55 pmFred Phelps; hated by moonbats and wingnuts alike.
Comment by Ringo
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Perhaps here is the common ground for us to seek in what the true “American values” are.
August 7th, 2007 at 12:56 pmdebkakes -
if there is one thing I have learned from watching modern media coverage of events it is to respond quickly, respond often, respond strongly, and insult the messenger for covering the story. It’s like magic for making a story disappear.
August 7th, 2007 at 12:56 pmPlease stop covering this guy. He makes Bushie look like a smart moderate. He is irrelevant in every sense of the word in every political spectrum.
August 7th, 2007 at 12:56 pmApparently the four of his children who left the church claim that he’s “addicted to hate”.
Remember when people were sometimes committed to institutions? Do they still do that? Other than in Russia I mean?
August 7th, 2007 at 12:57 pmFred must be proud of his incestuous family.
August 7th, 2007 at 12:58 pmAl Gore supports gay rights. He is very open regarding his support of civil unions and eliminating “don’t ask, don’t tell”
August 7th, 2007 at 12:58 pmPhelps “support” of Al Gore is a logical inconsistency.
Political labels are no longer relevant. For instance, in the actual meaning of the word, I’m a Republican. I believe that we need a Republic to protect the minority from the majority - a protection that is surely needed to balance the winner-take-all ramifications of pure Democracy.
I am also, from a social standpoint, the most flaming of flaming liberals (can you feel the heat coming through your monitor?). I understand that freedom is a very funky thing, and unless somebody is hurting someone else, or trampling on their right to be free in thought and personal action, or trashing the environment for everyone, they have a right to do whatever they want. I might not like what they’re doing, but it’s none of my business. Gays can marry. People can do drugs in their own homes (if they break any laws due to their behavior while high, they pay the price). Hookers may discreetly ply their trade. People can worship as they wish as long as religious trappings and motivations are kept completely separate from government.
I’m also Pragmatic. Wealthy people should pay more taxes than the less wealthy. Why? “Cause that’s where the money is (if you’re not wealthy, and you support the status quo, you have a major ideological disconnect). Learn from history: never fight a war you don’t have to fight - the loss of blood, treasure, and status is not worth the cost.
Then there’s my fiercely Conservative economic belief-set. Deficit spending and debt are bad for all of the obvious reasons. I cite the value of the US dollar under the Bush administration as proof. The current administration is worse than liberal in this respect. They are libertine.
Nonetheless, your comment stands:
he’s just nuts.
August 7th, 2007 at 12:59 pmPhelps has the exact same message as right wing Christofascist Pat Robertson.
August 7th, 2007 at 12:59 pmThey are crazies from all sides of the political continuum but this type of crap is way more right than left and the trolls here know it.
Heh, so you admit there is ‘leftness’ in his actions, well thats a start; it must be painful for you to admit that not all conservatives act like this guy. So much for the current propoganda track of the libs.
August 7th, 2007 at 1:00 pmI don’t know this Father Michael McMillan. I would ask what has he done to prevent folks like Jerry Falwell from hijacking Christianity for monetary and political gain.
Take it from moderate Muslims. If you are not active against the haters that represent you religion in the media you will be lumped in with them…and rightfully so.
August 7th, 2007 at 1:00 pmFred Phelps; hated by moonbats and wingnuts alike.
Comment by Ringo — August 7, 2007 @ 12:52 pm
Something we can agree on….
August 7th, 2007 at 1:01 pmDon’t forget, Lyndon LaRouche ran as a Democrat for U.S. President (several times). Just to show that every political party has its nutcases. Phelps and LaRouche no more represent the mainstream of the Democratic party than Tancredo represents the viewpoint of the mainstream of the Republican party.
August 7th, 2007 at 1:01 pmPhelps has the exact same message as right wing Christofascist Pat Robertson.
And since every single conservative in America is a Robertson zealot, this really has some impact.
August 7th, 2007 at 1:02 pmThey are crazies from all sides of the political continuum but this type of crap is way more right than left and the trolls here know it.
Heh, so you admit there is ‘leftness’ in his actions, well thats a start; it must be painful for you to admit that not all conservatives act like this guy. So much for the current propoganda track of the libs.
Comment by Popcorn Eating Crusty Mac — August 7, 2007 @ 1:00 pm
Way to catapult the propaganda, halfwit.
August 7th, 2007 at 1:03 pmGreat post Aurelius!
August 7th, 2007 at 1:03 pmHello!
Is everyone happy today?
I know I am!
August 7th, 2007 at 1:04 pmThere you go again.……trying to link Fred Phelps with mainstream conservatism. Leave it to TP………(You might redeem your tarnished reputation if you reported what right-wing pundits said about - and to the Phelps.) Honest reporting from the “Left”???? Hardly.
August 7th, 2007 at 1:04 pmTake it from moderate Muslims. If you are not active against the haters that represent you religion in the media you will be lumped in with them…and rightfully so.
Rightfully so? Youre ready to condemn all muslims because of the fanatics who infest their ranks?
August 7th, 2007 at 1:05 pmI truly disagree with the method that Phelps uses to bring people to Christ. He does more hateful condemning than giving them what is directly out of the scripture. Also, protesting at funerals is despicable. Now if he were witnessing and pleading that the family and the friends of the deceased should give their lives to Christ before they leave this earth, that is okay. Most pastors have alter calls at funerals to save souls before the rapture.
August 7th, 2007 at 1:05 pmthis is weird today. my posts appear, then disappear, then reappear, then disappear again.
what’s the deal?
August 7th, 2007 at 1:05 pmTake it from moderate Muslims. If you are not active against the haters that represent you religion in the media you will be lumped in with them…and rightfully so.
Comment by ben
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EXACTLY. And this is why we MUST highlight the actions of Phelps and soundly dispute his hate. This is especially true for those of us of faith.
August 7th, 2007 at 1:05 pmThanks Mike!!! Exposing Phelps as a Dem explains his intolerance……
Tooodles……….
August 7th, 2007 at 1:07 pmDaryll
Thank you for your protest about Phelps.
August 7th, 2007 at 1:07 pmRightfully so? Youre ready to condemn all muslims because of the fanatics who infest their ranks?
Comment by Bread — August 7, 2007 @ 1:05 pm
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Oh course.
It is the backwards religion that is the problem. Luckily, here is the USA we have the solution!
August 7th, 2007 at 1:08 pmHate the sin, not the sinner.
So God controls the budgets for bridge maintenance now? Wow. Here I thought people were responsible for that sort of thing…what with the paying of taxes, election of officials and manpower to do the work and everything.
Turns out people just didn’t pray enough. Who knew?
August 7th, 2007 at 1:08 pmIf you are not active against the haters that represent you religion in the media you will be lumped in with them…and rightfully so.
That says more about the media than the religion. If the media decides to proclaim scum like this as truly representative of Christians, then they are complicit in the false representation.
August 7th, 2007 at 1:08 pmRingo:
If you are indeed gay friendly, you are one of a handful within your party who is. Need I remind you that your party’s platform includes ‘defense of marriage’ and ’stopping the gay agenda’? That would be why this guy gets lopped in with your group even though he says he’s a democrat.
For all the trolls screaming that he’s a democrat: Did we say he’s a republican? Nope, we didn’t.
We refered to him as a Right-Wing Preacher. Now the whole Left-Versus-Right thing is very convoluted, with definitions being hard to pin down. You might assume every Right-Winger is Republican, but Libertarians can be said to be right wing as well (defining Right as pro-Capitalist and leaving social issues for another word, possibly socially conservative/liberal or my favorate, authortarian/libertarian). We don’t know this guys fiscal policy, and frankly I don’t care. But at least in the area of gays, he’s a social conservative of an extreme calibur. Does that make him Republican? No. Does that make him worthy of our scorn and ridicule? Hell yeah!
August 7th, 2007 at 1:09 pmWho cares? The guy is a quack. Stop giving him publicity.
August 7th, 2007 at 1:09 pmwow, is that THE mighty aphrodite/valiant venus that has been exposed here numerous times as a sociopath and a fraud?
why yes, i think it is.
August 7th, 2007 at 1:10 pmPhelps = the FUNDIE Right. He’s all yours hate filled rightards
August 7th, 2007 at 1:11 pmClinton/Phelps ‘08
Come on people, lets get organized!
August 7th, 2007 at 1:11 pmMost pastors have alter calls at funerals to save souls before the rapture.
Comment by Daryll
Hey Darryl?
August 7th, 2007 at 1:12 pmyour pastor’s alter just called…..wanted to know if your’re gonna be there to pick it up at 5pm. I said you would be.
Phelps & his followers- poster children for hate. They are truly sick motherf*ckers.
August 7th, 2007 at 1:12 pmDaryll
Thank you for your protest about Phelps.
Comment by PatrioticLiberalChristian(PLC) — August 7, 2007 @ 1:07 pm
Patriot, we (holy people) do have a line that shouldn’t be crossed.
August 7th, 2007 at 1:13 pmPhelps = the FUNDIE Right. He’s all yours hate filled rightards
Yet he attends the democrat inaguration parties. When Hillary filled out the invitation, did she use “Mr” or “Reverend”…I wonder.
August 7th, 2007 at 1:13 pmRingo:
If you are indeed gay friendly, you are one of a handful within your party who is. Need I remind you that your party’s platform includes ‘defense of marriage’ and ’stopping the gay agenda’? That would be why this guy gets lopped in with your group even though he says he’s a democrat.
For all the trolls screaming that he’s a democrat: Did we say he’s a republican? Nope, we didn’t.
We refered to him as a Right-Wing Preacher. Now the whole Left-Versus-Right thing is very convoluted, with definitions being hard to pin down. You might assume every Right-Winger is Republican, but Libertarians can be said to be right wing as well (defining Right as pro-Capitalist and leaving social issues for another word, possibly socially conservative/liberal or my favorate, authortarian/libertarian). We don’t know this guys fiscal policy, and frankly I don’t care. But at least in the area of gays, he’s a social conservative of an extreme calibur. Does that make him Republican? No. Does that make him worthy of our scorn and ridicule? Hell yeah!
Comment by Jeremy — August 7, 2007 @ 1:09 pm
I have no problem with gay people, but I do not support their lifestyle. I can be around them, but I cannot become an associate because of their filthy ways.
August 7th, 2007 at 1:15 pmAlso, protesting at funerals is despicable. Now if he were witnessing and pleading that the family and the friends of the deceased should give their lives to Christ before they leave this earth, that is okay.
So protesting a funeral is a no-go?
August 7th, 2007 at 1:16 pmHarassing an entire grieving family at a funeral is all good, though?
What’s with the hearse-chasing mentality of spreading the faith? Why not just send ‘em an e-card?
Robertson/Phelps two peas in a fundie pod… hehehhe
August 7th, 2007 at 1:18 pmBread, you couldn’t think of one decent Christian leader, could you? Your example is in no way a national leader like Falwell, Robertson, Dobson, Ralph Reed, etc. I’m not saying that all Christians are nasty hypocrites. Just the ones with huge congregations that politically or morally support wingnuts like yourself.
Not surprisingly, you missed the point:
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Take it from moderate Muslims. If you are not active against the haters that represent you religion in the media you will be lumped in with them…and rightfully so.
Comment by ben”
Ben is saying if you don’t counter the fanatics amongst you, you’ve supported them with your silence and deserve to be counted among them. Silence equals passive consent. If you need, I’ll explain it in smaller words.
August 7th, 2007 at 1:19 pmI can be around them, but I cannot become an associate because of their filthy ways.
‘filthy’ ways? You mean they don’t wash their hands afterwards? That IS gross, ewww!
August 7th, 2007 at 1:20 pmA blast from the past, here’s the incomparable Westboro crowd singing their hit song “God Hates the World” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQjLLPoxbKk
August 7th, 2007 at 1:20 pmHave I been banned?
August 7th, 2007 at 1:20 pmplease refer to my post at 52 to learn exactly *how* phelps attended the 1997 inaugural. only when the facts are convenient, bread-head.
August 7th, 2007 at 1:21 pmComment by wvng — August 7, 2007 @ 1:20 pm
YouTube is blocked here, but please..for the love of all things right and good in the world, tell me that it’s sung to the tune of ‘We are the World’.
August 7th, 2007 at 1:21 pmany doubt Phelps is a self-hating in-the-closet homosexual rightard?…like most of the hate filled right?
August 7th, 2007 at 1:21 pmHave I been banned?
Comment by DRx J
Not yet…should we take a vote?
August 7th, 2007 at 1:22 pmWhy give this scum bag attention. The guy has 70 people in his church. WHO CARES. If you ignore the freak he will go away.
In other news, the Democratic party hates your freedom, and will use your donations that you worked so hard to be able to give, to stab you in the back.
August 7th, 2007 at 1:22 pmI’m a 5-point Calvinist and a Democrat but not a right-wing whack job.
Regardless of his political affiliation, his hate-filled diatribes remind me of other “right wing” preachers such as Falwell and that guy that looks like an elf whose name escapes me.
I can’t think of the name of the motorcycle group that provides security at the funerals but I do know they’re still doing it. One of my uncle’s friends is one of them.
August 7th, 2007 at 1:23 pmfred phelps is a DISGUSTING excuse for a human being. He used to protest now and then at my university. I have successfully executed a drive-by argument with him and his cronies. They didn’t know what hit them.
August 7th, 2007 at 1:25 pmWasn’t Phelps on the Right hate-radio ‘Michael Savage Show’ several times?
August 7th, 2007 at 1:25 pmHe’s a paranoid, violently homophobic preacher from the south who blames disasters and tragedies on those who are tolerant of other lifestyles. Yeah sounds just like a Democrat to me. LOL. You people are a frikkin joke.
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August 7th, 2007 at 1:26 pmWhen is Bush hiring Rev. Phelps to spearhead the Office of Faith Based Initiatives?
-GSD
August 7th, 2007 at 1:27 pmWe homeschool, so I come in contact with quite a few right wing wackos. As crazy as they are, they all think this guy is a nutjob.
August 7th, 2007 at 1:27 pmWe homeschool, so I come in contact with quite a few right wing wackos. As crazy as they are, they all think this guy is a nutjob.
Comment by red state liberal
So do we, and I’d bet that not all of the ‘wacko’s’ you encounter are right-wing.
August 7th, 2007 at 1:31 pmI really wish that the media would stop giving this guy ANY time at all. Regardless of whether it’s bad coverage or not, it’s still coverage. Any coverage of this disgusting person is too much coverage.
August 7th, 2007 at 1:32 pmI have no problem with gay people, but I do not support their lifestyle. I can be around them, but I cannot become an associate because of their filthy ways.
Comment by Daryll — August 7, 2007 @ 1:15 pm
“Filthy ways”?? Sounds like you DO have a problem with gays, Daryll. Tell me something — who DO you associate with? Do you check out the sex lives of everyone you associate with? I mean — surely you must equally condemn the “filthy ways” of fornicators, adulterers, and anyone who has ever had sex with somebody they weren’t married to. I’d love to see the questionnaire you hand out.
August 7th, 2007 at 1:33 pmYou will keep taking it “werenotgonnatakeit†if you don’t get your directions right.
Westboro Baptist church is in Kansas. Kansas may be south of you, but we in the south tend to think of it as being in the mid-west.
Many of the funerals were WBC protestors gather are in the south.
And Baptist, as a species, are known to freely range the earth.
August 7th, 2007 at 1:37 pmTHis is how you fight unChristian jerks like Phelps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ2QY_1sXCI
August 7th, 2007 at 1:38 pmThis guy is not right wing. He is crazy. Comment by Kevin
He sounds alot like the troll Righty Ralph. And yes he is a wacko righty. Your guys should really control your village people.
Heh.
August 7th, 2007 at 1:39 pm“Phelps ain’t that bad actually.
He’s against the Iraq war.
The War in Afganistan.
He hates Israel.
He supports Islam.
He supports the Iranian regime.”
All obvious Lies
Phelps IS part crazy Fudamentalist Christian Right-Wing . Y’know the group that the Neocons love to fool, and use to get elected(?).
August 7th, 2007 at 1:40 pmgod hates the world…
god hates your children…
yes, it is to the tune of ‘we are the world’.
August 7th, 2007 at 1:41 pmand ‘we are the world’ is a bad enough song on its own.
I have no problem with gay people, but I do not support their lifestyle. I can be around them, but I cannot become an associate because of their filthy ways.
Comment by Daryll — August 7, 2007 @ 1:15 pm
“Filthy ways�? Sounds like you DO have a problem with gays, Daryll. Tell me something — who DO you associate with? Do you check out the sex lives of everyone you associate with? I mean — surely you must equally condemn the “filthy ways†of fornicators, adulterers, and anyone who has ever had sex with somebody they weren’t married to. I’d love to see the questionnaire you hand out.
Comment by missmolly — August 7, 2007 @ 1:33 pm
I do. I associate with fellow bethren and sisters within the church.
August 7th, 2007 at 1:44 pmhave no problem with gay people, but I do not support their lifestyle. I can be around them, but I cannot become an associate because of their filthy ways. Comment by Daryll
You mean like this guy?
Howard L. Brooks: The Republican staffer was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography
Daryll, have you met Ralph yet?
August 7th, 2007 at 1:44 pmDrive-by arguments work well against phelps’ group.. “I DISAGREE!” You should have seen the reactions!
August 7th, 2007 at 1:44 pmDon’t call this guy rightwing…
I’m from Kansas, and no one likes Fred.
August 7th, 2007 at 1:45 pmPhelps is a despicable human being. There are despicable humans on the left and the right. There are despicable humans who are religious and atheist. The shame belongs to one, Phelps himself, but his shameful behavior should serve as a reminder to all of the frailty of the human and of the institutions which humans create.
August 7th, 2007 at 1:46 pmDaryll,
As a Christian, you are supposed to love gay people - not “not have a problem” with the, You shouls go to a gay bar and start showing these people some love.
August 7th, 2007 at 1:47 pmI associate with fellow bethren and sisters within the church.
Comment by Daryll
And you can be absolutely certain that your fellow brethren and sisters have never, ever ‘fallen’ off the straight and narrow path of righteousness? And if they did? Would you forgive them just as Christ forgave you, or would you condemn them in their sin?
August 7th, 2007 at 1:47 pmPhelps is a despicable human being.
Comment by Troll — August 7, 2007 @ 1:46 pm
I agree. And decent people everywhere can condemn despicable people like Phelps without tarring others.
August 7th, 2007 at 1:49 pmHow do you know that god didn’t wreck the bridge? If you can’t prove he/she didn’t do it, then Fred could be right. But if he/she did wreck it I don’t think it was because he/she was punishing Minnesotans for supporting gays. I think he/she did it because they talk funny.
August 7th, 2007 at 1:51 pmReid and Pelosi are abject failures…
very disheartening.
August 7th, 2007 at 1:51 pm.
#9
Show how little you think.
August 7th, 2007 at 1:52 pmThank’s missmolly, got it before TP made it go away….Blessings
August 7th, 2007 at 1:54 pm“I have a bridge in Brooklyn I’d like to sell you.”
Too late. Bloomberg sold it to a European consortium last week. 8^)
August 7th, 2007 at 1:55 pmI do. I associate with fellow bethren and sisters within the church.
Comment by Daryll — August 7, 2007 @ 1:44 pm
Sounds nice and safe. Even if your fellow brethren and sisters in the church aren’t all paragons of virtue, you can at least pretend they are.
I am very glad that Jesus Christ didn’t feel as you do. Instead of staying in a very safe environment of the righteous, He got out and associated with sinners. He ministered to them, He healed them, He loved them, and He forgave them. My Bible doesn’t record any instance of His using the term “filthy ways” to describe them.
August 7th, 2007 at 1:56 pmMy Bible doesn’t record any instance of His using the term “filthy ways†to describe them.
Comment by missmolly
Yeah well, that’s ‘cuz you and papa gino don’t read the same Bible, I presume. His says it’s Ok to beat the crap out of a Virgin Mary statue in front of an enthralled and enraptured audience during a sermon on idolatry. I bet he did it with a great big cross on the wall behind him.
August 7th, 2007 at 1:58 pmThe reason these guys protest at funerals has little to do with god - it is the money. Can you imagine how hateful everyone is to them when they picket these funerals? They are basically begging for things to be thrown at them and be assaulted - because they’ll sue for that, and they’ve won in the past (from what I’ve heard, don’t really want to bother researching at the moment)
August 7th, 2007 at 2:01 pmThe only way to deal with this type of person is to ignore them.
August 7th, 2007 at 2:01 pmThe only way to deal with this type of person is to ignore them.
Comment by KingJacob — August 7, 2007 @ 2:01 pm
That or a pickaxe to the skull. That would be just as effective and much more satisfying.
August 7th, 2007 at 2:04 pmMy Bible doesn’t record any instance of His using the term “filthy ways†to describe them.
Comment by missmolly
Yeah well, that’s ‘cuz you and papa gino don’t read the same Bible, I presume. His says it’s Ok to beat the crap out of a Virgin Mary statue in front of an enthralled and enraptured audience during a sermon on idolatry. I bet he did it with a great big cross on the wall behind him.
Comment by SGT Higgins — August 7, 2007 @ 1:58 pm
Wrong, we have no idols in the church AT ALL!!!!!!!!!
August 7th, 2007 at 2:05 pmI think Daryll isnt for real. He is another toady who presents a caricature of a christian to reinforce the stereotype of a christian that so many here posses.
August 7th, 2007 at 2:05 pm#63
So what was the point of you BS #9 post?
August 7th, 2007 at 2:09 pmI think Daryll isnt for real. He is another toady who presents a caricature of a christian to reinforce the stereotype of a christian that so many here posses.
Comment by Troll
I think he lacks a chromosome.
August 7th, 2007 at 2:10 pm…assaulted - because they’ll sue for that, and they’ve won in the past…
Comment by Xbot — August 7, 2007 @ 2:01 pm
yes, they have… and it’s easy enough to find the facts, but i’ve read that phelps has sent many of his kids to law school for just that reason…
August 7th, 2007 at 2:10 pmthere are several, at least, lawyers in that group…
explains how he gets away with his hate…
it’s all very calculated…
.
It’s so good to see Joker back with his hateful ways…
August 7th, 2007 at 2:12 pmUsing yet another name…
You can’t use violence against them. If you do, they’ll sue. If you kill them, they’ll be martyrs. Either ignore them completely (won’t happen) or drive-by arguments. They don’t get the satisfaction of responding; it’s great!
August 7th, 2007 at 2:13 pmI think Daryll isnt for real. He is another toady who presents a caricature of a christian to reinforce the stereotype of a christian that so many here posses.
Comment by Troll — August 7, 2007 @ 2:05 pm
I am real and the Lord God is real. I am always psyched about Jesus.
August 7th, 2007 at 2:13 pmThere is no god, and I’m psyched about that because that means there’s no hell so I can do whatever I want without any “afterlife” consequences.
August 7th, 2007 at 2:18 pmYay me!
There are only 70 members of the Westboro church, “60 of whom are related to Phelps through blood or marriage or both.â€
Filed under: Ethics Posted by Think Progress at 12:25 pm
70 members and 60 are related?
:|
Inbreeding.
Its a b$tch.
August 7th, 2007 at 2:18 pmbartlebee - lots of kids who got married and had kids…
it’s really sad to see the young ones who follow their parents…
anyone remember those 2 cute 12yr old nazi singers?
whoddu thunk it in the 21st century…
August 7th, 2007 at 2:21 pm…
Nahhh Katy.
Based on the press release put out by the Westboro Baptist Church on the Minnesota Bridge Collapse, I can safely conclude that the church is the result of inbreeding.
:|
Its a no brainer.
August 7th, 2007 at 2:24 pmThats funny, I thought god made Fred Phelps because he hated America.
August 7th, 2007 at 2:24 pmAt least we agree god hates america.
Or is it they’re the “no-brainers”… ?
August 7th, 2007 at 2:24 pmWrong, we have no idols in the church AT ALL!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Daryll
Not so fast, Darryl. After looking again at Papa Gino’s page….you gotta admit…You idolize him, don’t you? Just a little?
Hey Darryl, can you think of another preacher in recent memory who felt it necessary to have a ’security’ team (aka thugs)? Jim Jones comes to mind. His ’security’ staff also ensured that the ‘meetings’ weren’t disrupted. So what’s up with that, huh? Why does Papa Gino needa team of thugs to protect his comings and goings? Whoarethey protecting him from? The church members? Seems kinda disengenuous to make yourself unavailable to the very same people you profess to care about.
August 7th, 2007 at 2:25 pmanyone remember those 2 cute 12yr old nazi singers?
Comment by katy
Real fine upbringin’ those two, huh? Believe it or not, it’s a small enough world that I actually have a familial (by marriage) tie to the former(?) producer of one of those extreme hate-fillled music labels. Resistance Records, I think.
August 7th, 2007 at 2:28 pmYou know whats really neato about this folks?
These same “church”, that posts a press release thanking God for the collapse of the Minneapolis bridge, get tax exemption from the Federal government.
:D
Cause they’re a church. You know, a church, that teaches people about God and love and junk…….
They’re super Christy!
August 7th, 2007 at 2:30 pmDaryll: “Wrong, we have no idols in the church AT ALL!!!!!!”
Sorry, your most iconic idol, something millions wear around their neck, is an image of a man being tortured to death. That you don’t refer to it as an “idol” is simply semantics.
Christians: is Phelps or is he not a christian?
I find it amazing that the same people who tag all of Islam with bin Laden’s radical philosophy are quick to dismiss Fred Phelps as not being christian.
August 7th, 2007 at 2:31 pmI must correct you. This guy is definitely right wing. He’s mad as a hatter, like how right wingers mostly are.
August 7th, 2007 at 2:31 pmChris: “Thats funny, I thought god made Fred Phelps because he hated America.
At least we agree god hates america.”
Then, you also agree with Osama bin Laden, bibleboy.
August 7th, 2007 at 2:33 pmBartlebee, it’s all about what degree of hate you’re willing to accept.
August 7th, 2007 at 2:33 pmAs loving and caring any religion professes to be, so long as it also teaches about sinners going to hell, or non-believers going to hell, there is a certain form of “hate” being taught.
Lots of people believe their god responsible for horrible events, Phelps is just thankful.
#
You know whats really neato about this folks?
These same “churchâ€, that posts a press release thanking God for the collapse of the Minneapolis bridge, get tax exemption from the Federal government.
:D
Cause they’re a church. You know, a church, that teaches people about God and love and junk…….
They’re super Christy!
Comment by BARTLEBEE — August 7, 2007 @ 2:30 pm
Yeah, like their tax breaks for the pool (naturally it’s used for baptisms) and the tennis court (outdoor sermons of course)…
August 7th, 2007 at 2:36 pmChristians: is Phelps or is he not a christian? —- WTF Are you asking us for? From what we can SEE, the short answer is no friggin’ way.
I find it amazing that the same people who tag all of Islam with bin Laden’s radical philosophy are quick to dismiss Fred Phelps as not being christian. —– The primary difference Col. is that bin Laden is living exactly as the Koran tells him to. He’s not a hypocrite. What Phelps is doing is not what’s taught by Christ in the Bible. Quite the contrary, Jesus own words rebuke people like Phelps for doing what they do in His name.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper
August 7th, 2007 at 2:36 pmWilco.
Its insane.
A horrible disaster occurs and these peices of sh$t calling themselves a church put out a press release thanking god for killing all those people?
They’re garbage. Their church is garbage. And it should be closed down and their tax exempt status removed.
August 7th, 2007 at 2:38 pmHere is the response I recieved from the Mn. Patriot Gaurd:Hi Scott,
Thank you for bringing this to our attention.
We, like all Minnesotans and most Americans, all are grieving for and with the families of everyone affected by the tragedy of the bridge collapse and pray those affected will find comfort knowing that they are all in our thoughts and prayers.
While we feel sadness for our loss, we also feel sadness and disgust for those in this country who feel the need to use this tragedy for their own gain. These are truly reprehensible acts by people who use the First Amendment right to free speech to further their cause.
As our Mission Statement reads, our main mission is to attend the funeral services of fallen American heroes as invited guests of the family . Each mission we undertake has two basic objectives.
1. Show our sincere respect for our fallen heroes, their families, and their communities.
2. Shield the mourning family and their friends from interruptions created by any protester or group of protesters.
Understanding that mission statement it is the feeling of the Board of Directors that in spite of the threat of protesters, this falls outside of the stated mission of the Patriot Guard Riders. We are not a counter-protest group, and our missions exist to honor the service and sacrifice of those who have served in the US Armed Forces.
We are unsure at this time, if there were any veterans involved in this event and we pray none were. If so and if we are invited by the family to attend the services, we will do our utmost to show our honor and respect for that fallen veteran.
Thank you again for your concern and willingness to share that with us.
One final thing I should bring to your attention: Minnesota has a state statute restricting protests of any sort within 500 feet of any funeral, memorial service, procession, or burial, beginning one hour prior to the start and ending one hour after conclusion of these services. Anyone participating in a protest or counter-protest in violation of that law could be subject to arrest right along with the WBC. This is one of several reasons why we only attend Veteran’s funerals as invited guests of the family. If we show up uninvited we’re no better than the thugs from KS.
Respects,
August 7th, 2007 at 2:39 pm–
Nate “Birdie” Zenker
Southeast Metro Ride Captain
Minnesota Membership Coordinator
Coordinator - Red Bull Welcome Home
Member - Red Knights MC, MN 4
bartlebee, it’s free speech
August 7th, 2007 at 2:40 pmtheirs is the speech which needs protection most
unfortunately
SGT. Higgins: “What Phelps is doing is not what’s taught by Christ in the Bible. Quite the contrary, Jesus own words rebuke people like Phelps for doing what they do in His name.”
I agree with you, SGT. Phelps and many conservative fundamentalist christians are strictly Old Testament. They should be calling themselves “Leviticans” instead of Christians. And, modern conservative christianity seems to conveniently forget that the New Testament is largely a repudiation of much of what is expressed in the Old Testament.
August 7th, 2007 at 2:40 pmI have no problem with gay people, but I do not support their lifestyle. I can be around them, but I cannot become an associate because of their filthy ways.
Comment by Daryll — August 7, 2007 @ 1:15 pm
COuld be just me, but this seems like a contridiction.
August 7th, 2007 at 2:41 pmThe primary difference Col. is that bin Laden is living exactly as the Koran tells him to. He’s not a hypocrite. What Phelps is doing is not what’s taught by Christ in the Bible. Quite the contrary, Jesus own words rebuke people like Phelps for doing what they do in His name.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper
Bullsh$t.
The Koran doesn’t teach them to kill innocents no more than the Bible teaches nothing but love. Have you ever read the Old Testament?
The fact is intelligent people don’t let another man, or a book, teach them the difference between right and wrong.
Intelligent people can figure it out for themselves.
August 7th, 2007 at 2:42 pmWrong, we have no idols in the church AT ALL!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Daryll
Not so fast, Darryl. After looking again at Papa Gino’s page….you gotta admit…You idolize him, don’t you? Just a little?
Hey Darryl, can you think of another preacher in recent memory who felt it necessary to have a ’security’ team (aka thugs)? Jim Jones comes to mind. His ’security’ staff also ensured that the ‘meetings’ weren’t disrupted. So what’s up with that, huh? Why does Papa Gino needa team of thugs to protect his comings and goings? Whoarethey protecting him from? The church members? Seems kinda disengenuous to make yourself unavailable to the very same people you profess to care about.
Comment by SGT Higgins — August 7, 2007 @ 2:25 pm
Sure when you have individuals like you who want to murder the Pastor for speaking the truth. I have had multiple one on one conversations with Pastor Jennings. He’s a great man of God, and he is one of the few apostles who continue to preach the true word of God. Try again.
August 7th, 2007 at 2:43 pmUnbelievable. Unspeakable cruelty knows no bounds apparently. These are probably the same people who sing “Jesus wants me for a sunbeam” in church every Sunday. Or is it just a huge hatefest?
August 7th, 2007 at 2:44 pmbartlebee, it’s free speech
theirs is the speech which needs protection most
unfortunately
Comment by Wilco — August 7, 2007 @ 2:40 pm
Sure. Its free speech.
But its not tax exempt speech.
I never said ban their speech. I said remove their tax exempt status.
August 7th, 2007 at 2:45 pmChristianity is a perverted religion.\
It is a religion that has strayed from the path of the one true God.
That is why Christianity is be defeated in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Islam is sweepeing the world.
Heck this website is more Pro-Muslim than it is Christian.
I salute ypu my Progressive Allie,s as we continue to undermine and destroy the Christian order.
Soon the blessing of Islam will dominate this land!
Insha’Allah!
Visit my website.
It’s for Muslims and Progressives!
http://www.umarlee.com
August 7th, 2007 at 2:46 pmDaryll, what’s the difference between a statue of Shiva and a stature of the Crucificion? Aren’t they both “idols?”
August 7th, 2007 at 2:46 pmI have no problem with gay people, but I do not support their lifestyle. I can be around them, but I cannot become an associate because of their filthy ways.
Comment by Daryll — August 7, 2007 @ 1:15 pm
COuld be just me, but this seems like a contridiction.
Comment by Jeannie See — August 7, 2007 @ 2:41 pm
It is just you. I will continue to pray for you.
August 7th, 2007 at 2:46 pmSure when you have individuals like you who want to murder the Pastor for speaking the truth.
Comment by Daryll
Hmm, that’s funny. My pastor also speaks truth and uh….hmmm…nope! No security necessary.
August 7th, 2007 at 2:47 pmI find it amazing that the same people who tag all of Islam with bin Laden’s radical philosophy are quick to dismiss Fred Phelps as not being christian.
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — August 7, 2007 @ 2:31 pm
me too… excellent point…
think they got it?
August 7th, 2007 at 2:47 pm…
Ret. Col. Jack Ripper ,
August 7th, 2007 at 2:48 pmAccording to the holy Qu’ran yes they are both idols.
Hindus and Christians are idol worshippers.
They must both change and follow the will of Allah!
MN needs Phelps like we need another bridge collapse.
The Patriot Guard will be there to keep this vermin from the Church.
Personally, I don’t think our ‘MN nice’ will be fully displayed that day. Maybe we should get Jess Ventura out of mothballs to greet Fred with a bull body slam.
Sell tickets. Raise money for a new bridge.
Jesse?
August 7th, 2007 at 2:48 pmDaryll, what’s the difference between a statue of Shiva and a stature of the Crucificion? Aren’t they both “idols?â€
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — August 7, 2007 @ 2:46 pm
Yes, the statue of the cruficix does not represent Christ. Neither does a statue of Shiva. Wearing a crucifix will not send you to heaven. It is just a piece of wood or gold.
August 7th, 2007 at 2:48 pmSure when you have individuals like you who want to murder the Pastor etc…
Comment by Daryll — August 7, 2007 @ 2:43 pm
The good pastor sounds more and more like a cult leader. My advice Daryll when he passes out the kool-aid, take a walk. This is what cult leaders do daryll, they make themselves seem to be men of god, while insulating their followers from society. you have already stated you pretty much only hang out with fellow members of the church. there is a great big world out their Daryll no need to be afraid just cause someone doesn’t share your exact beliefs.
August 7th, 2007 at 2:48 pmSo Joker, how many aliases do you use?
August 7th, 2007 at 2:49 pmUmar, you’re barking up the wrong tree here. Don’t let the disdain for conservative fundamentalist christianity around here fool you. I think most christians are crazy and most muslims are even crazier, but that’s just me.
And, a muslim theocracy, just like a christian theocracy, is completely alien to the values of American liberalism.
August 7th, 2007 at 2:49 pm#162
Do you even know what the New Testament is? Where exactly are Christ’s teachings and quotes in the Old Testament?
August 7th, 2007 at 2:49 pm[…]
Lots of people believe their god responsible for horrible events, Phelps is just thankful.
Comment by Wilco — August 7, 2007 @ 2:33 pm
whoa… … good one…
August 7th, 2007 at 2:50 pm…
Daryll: “Yes, the statue of the cruficix does not represent Christ. Neither does a statue of Shiva. Wearing a crucifix will not send you to heaven. It is just a piece of wood or gold.”
Daryll, I only asked because of your contention that there are no “idols” in christianity. Your answer seems to be indicating that you DO think there is an “idol” in christianity.
August 7th, 2007 at 2:51 pmDaryll, what’s the difference between a statue of Shiva and a stature of the Crucificion? Aren’t they both “idols?â€
Comment by Ret. Col. Jack Ripper — August 7, 2007 @ 2:46 pm
Thats right. Praying to a statue of Jesus on the Cross is idol worship, nothing more. Just like the ancient egyptians praying to a statue of Amum.
August 7th, 2007 at 2:52 pmSure when you have individuals like you who want to murder the Pastor for speaking the truth.
Comment by Daryll
Hmm, that’s funny. My pastor also speaks truth and uh….hmmm…nope! No security necessary.
Comment by SGT Higgins — August 7, 2007 @ 2:47 pm
Has he spoken against homosexuality, women preachers, fornication, adultery, re-marriage, divorce, lust, etc.? If not, he does not speak the truth. You have been fooled. Wake up, read the bible, follow Acts 2:38 and save yourself before the rapture.
August 7th, 2007 at 2:52 pmAccording to the holy Qu’ran yes they are both idols.
Hindus and Christians are idol worshippers.
They must both change and follow the will of Allah!
Comment by Umar Lee — August 7, 2007 @ 2:48 pm
Ya Umar,
The will of God as stated in the Qu’raan is that Muslims and Christians should be allies, not enemies.
August 7th, 2007 at 2:53 pmI will continue to pray for you.
Comment by Daryll — August 7, 2007 @ 2:46 pm
:|
Yea, thats great…if she wants to get hit by lightning bolts.
August 7th, 2007 at 2:54 pmRet. Col. Jack Ripper ,
August 7th, 2007 at 2:54 pmIslam is gaining in strength. As much as you would deny it, most posters here would side with the wise Ayatollahs of Iran against your misquided Pastors.
Even in Atheistic Europe, many on the Left are now accepting the truth of of Allah and are following the Deen.
Many on this site do not realize it yet but they are Muslim in spirit.
But Daryll, you wake up. The Bible is fiction. There is no god. You will not get into heaven because heaven doesn’t exist.
August 7th, 2007 at 2:54 pmNow I’m preaching to you!
Al Franken
Pick up truck
398 cream pies
Big sign - Free pies to throw!!
49 mini-cams
Youtube circle jerk
Add Soupy Sales if he can make it for color
August 7th, 2007 at 2:56 pmsome light reading daryll repent before the spiked drinks come.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult
August 7th, 2007 at 2:58 pmSo Daryll, as a good Christian, you ignore all the laws Jesus followed? You know, the ones in the Torah?
August 7th, 2007 at